Thread 516598508

Should Charlie Kirk really be canonized as a saint?

>>516598508 (OP)
Yes.

>>516598508 (OP)
Don't you have to perform a miracle after death or something?

He wasn't a Catholic so the odds of that are very low. I did have the same thought the other day though. He was martyred for his faith essentially.

>>516598508 (OP)
Yes, but not because of the reasons MIGA wants.
He should because he was an actual American patriot that was groomed by his masters, but his love for his people and his god and his country caused him to question and plot against them.

It's so sad how he was not only murdered by them for it, but is now paraded around as a figure that will eliminate the constitutional right that he loved and valued more than all others. It's all on purpose, to mock and spit on the powerless hopeless goyim. It is truly all over now.

>>516598651
There's already a Zoomer Saint because he made some Catholic version of Facebook or some shit

>>516598508 (OP)
He fought for his ideas in a peaceful way and died for that.
So yes, he is.

>>516598651
Getting the rat-faced propagandist scumbag Kimmel fired finally was a pretty big miracle.

His death hit me in the feels. I read about Jesus and found it impossible to follow his teachings. But Charlie made me feel like what it would be to live in time of Jesus, seeing him preach to the corrupted masses. And watching them murder him for it.

>>516598508 (OP)
Anon I'ma be honest with you I don't give a shit he was a kike loving basic bitch civic nationalist. His death kicked off some of the biggest wins the right has had in decades and I'll honor his sacrifice for that.

>>516598508 (OP)
That twitter is run by a Jeet and the Roman Church is run by Satan.

>>516598508 (OP)
Cardinal Dolan just got a few inches closer to being excommunicated. And it's "ex-Cardinal", he's retired before he could be demoted by Rome.

>>516599105
>Still thinking in terms of left and right
Anon, this has transcended the silly political compass.
We are now in Humanity vs. Demons

>>516598631
>St. Charlie
The martyr saint of getting people to ((notice))

>>516599224
No one cares what the boylovers in Rome have to say about anything.

>>516598508 (OP)
Saint Charlie kek

>>516599833
guess who canonizes Saints

Who? We have a new ballroom in the whitehouse being constructed. Costs 100 million dollars. So i think im dealing with charlie klurps death just fine

>>516598508 (OP)
>Should Charlie Kirk really be canonized as a saint?
so, he was a catholic?

>>516598508 (OP)
Yes, just to watch the left collectively lose their shit again.

>>516598508 (OP)
You're all going to Hell.

>>516598508 (OP)
>Cardinal Dolan

>>516599051
Just stick with the Bible and don't trust in man

>>516598508 (OP)
>Inevitable Sukhdeep

>>516600029
Saints are glorified, not “canonized”.

>>516598508 (OP)
He shilled for jews so no

>>516598508 (OP)
saint kirk is climbing a mountain.
why is he climbing a mountain?

>>516598756
>He wasn't a Catholic
He wasn't a perfect man.
>>516599051
>His death hit me in the feels.
Many felt this way.

>>516598508 (OP)
Cardinal Dolan's a media guy politician
He panders to both sides
Charlie should not be canonized, this is ridiculous and he's likely just saying this as a means to evangelize protestants
We must pray for Charlie Kirk's soul, we have no idea if he's actually in heaven

>>516600118
>So i think im dealing with charlie klurps death just fine
Normies just see "Charlie Kirk was a saint and JD Vance should be the next president". Trump kept out of the news and gave JD Vance a massive win.

>>516598756
He was killed because libtards think he’s a fascist and racist not cause he’s Christian it was literally written on the shell casing

>>516600620
>we have no idea if he's actually in heaven
If he's in hell then it's to debate and change minds.

>>516600620
>Charlie should not be canonized, this is ridiculous
But picrel isn’t ridiculous?

>>516598508 (OP)
Saints come from rich families, so he has a chance. I mean, rich families pay the Vatican to make their dead family member a saint.

>>516600839
No, it's only ridiculous to you because you were raised in a new offshoot sect

>>516598508 (OP)
no

>>516598508 (OP)
No. He should be recognized as a Christian martyr 100% but he was not a saint.

>>516600620
You act like if your fan fiction from a Jewish cult leader lets you pray someone out of hell even in the Bible it says it literally says clearly that if you believe you’ll be in heaven and if you say it doesn’t then it just proves contradicts are rampant in it

>>516600784
"It is better to live in hell with one wise man than on heaven with ten fools"— Paramahansa Yogananda, p 183, The Essence of Self Realization

>>516600779
They believe that his Christian beliefs make him a fascist. Charlie Kirk was murdered for his Christian beliefs.

>>516598508 (OP)
>American Catholics
Are they gonna canonize Martin Luther and John Calvin next?

>>516601086
Your accusation is false, you have no idea what you're talking about, stop talking to me

>>516601003
Nah it’s pretty objectively ridiculous. Acutis was canonized for making a website. Lol

>>516600839
Its easy to preserve body’s in the correct environment low temps no moisture ect plus they put wax and shit on him if they actually did nothing to the body and he looked like that I’d believe it but they constantly fiddle with the corpse trying to preserve it

>>516601323
Well the Vatican does have a lot of experience with fiddling with boys’ bodies.

>>516598651
You are supposed to perform two miracles and then die a martyrs death.

Then they made Mother Teresa a saint and she did none of that shit, so it's just a popularity contest now. MT was actually kind of fucked up if you read up on her.

>>516598508 (OP)
I don't know. Maybe not.

But it would be really funny to pray through Charlie in front of liberal protestors for the rest of time.

>>516598756
When was the last time a non-Catholic was sainted, anyway?

>>516601229
So you think you can pray someone out of hell pretty heretical all g though

>>516598508 (OP)
This is why Catholics shouldn't be taken seriously. They just love making shit up.

>>516600839
I'm not saying this happened (maybe it did idk) but this seems like a legit reason for canonization.

>>516601288
You believe God took on flesh and dwelt among us and ate food
You people throw stones and then fail to realize that an outsider would call you fucking crazy too
Christianity is strange, always has been

>>516600334
if you're Orthodox, Glorification is what the Catholics call Canonization
He has to climb the steps
>Servant of God (Servus Dei)
>Venerable (Venerabilis)
>Blessed (Beatus)
and only then, if he passes his Trial, can he become Saint

>>516598508 (OP)
Lol.

>>516601003
Have you even seen his Tumblr or whatever the fuck this fag got his participation award for

saint george floyd was

>>516598508 (OP)
unironically yes, I say this as an agnostic

he was genuinely a martyr

>>516601427
>Just repeats false accusation
Dumb ass

>inevitable west

This guy is literally an Indian that also spreads left wing propaganda on a different account.

>>516601288
That's not true. If you know about him then you know why was he canonized, why do you lie.

>>516598508 (OP)
If he is I'm dropping the religion as a whole

>>516601398
>MT was actually kind of fucked up if you read up on her.
Qrd ? No hearsay

>>516601506
No he wasn't. He was a propaganda mouth-piece for the administration and Israel. Nothing in his life resembled new testament doctrine.

How is he a hero? Did he save a bus full of kids or donate his money to schools or singlehandedly fight off a group of Taliban to let a helicopter land for medevac? Just curious what he did.

>>516601639
I know why he was canonized, it’s because Terry Davis wasn’t a Catholic so they couldn’t give him sainthood and the title of “God’s Influencer” so they gave it to some literally who instead.

>>516601644
You would drop the religion because of this but not the fact that the Catholic Church aka the one true church it’s totally destroyed from Vatican 2 and the constant dramas of pedophilia ect seems like the one true church of god literally heaven on earth is a pretty shitty place wonder how that’s possible

No, but he should be cannononized as a cannon ball!

>>516600779
libtards think Christian values are Fascist and racist values.

the grand irony here being liberal values are defined by Christian virtues (tolerance, appeasement/compromise, general apathy/aloofness towards the world around them, freedom, peace, etc); and Fascist values come from "pagan" virtues (strength, intolerance for the base, superiority/inequality, etc) but most contemporary "Fascists" also larp as Christians
>KEEP ON HONKING IN THE CLOWN WORLD

>>516601803
See >>516601469
You've seen it because I replied to you but you Jewishly ignore it

>>516601469
>>516601986
>2019
Wow, 15 years after he died. That totally wasn’t just made up to give an excuse for the Vatican’s already settled decision to canonize him.

The real redpill is that if Kirk was actually killed by a deranged faggot with a tranny boyfriend, he will still killed by the jews.

>>516598508 (OP)
>>516598651
you have to be catholic, he wasn't
/thread

>>516598508 (OP)
BASED DOLAN

/OURCARDINAL/

>>516601891
Ephesians 5:25–27 – Paul describes Christ’s relationship to the church: “Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, to make her holy… a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.”

Wonder how god literally says this about hes church yet it’s responsible for molesting little boys and other shit

Why are american cardinals so goyish?

>>516601734
>How is he a hero? Did he save a bus full of kids or donate his money to schools or singlehandedly fight off a group of Taliban to let a helicopter land for medevac? Just curious what he did.

An empty bankrupt religion which try to hide the pedophile scandal is now shilling for a kike conservative grifter. NO ONE SHOULD BE SHOCKED.

>>516602144
>>He was canonized for having a website
>No, he was canonized for allegedly performing a miracle
>>Wow, 15 years after he died.
I don't think there's a deadline and your original claim is debunked, you're just coping now.
>That totally wasn’t just made up to give an excuse for the Vatican’s already settled decision to canonize him.
Maybe it was made up, maybe not, but performing a miracle qualifies you for canonization. Kirk doesn't have such qualification, that's the point.
Try to keep up.

>>516601398
t. Christopher Hitchens

They made Carlo Acutis a Saint by attributing some miracles to him through much pilpul. Why not make Charlie a saint? Fuck it, like it even means anything or matters anymore.

>>516601398
>>516601709
There was nothing wrong with MT that can't be attributed to working with people so poor they were dying in the gutters of one of the poorest shit holes on earth while a quasi-socialist government tried to stifle her work because it was making them look bad. For years now there's been a concerted campaign by gaytheists and pajeet ultra-nationalists to paint her as some kind of monster torturing people and then forcibly converting them using (((anonymous sources))), straight up lies, and misrepresentations of what she believed in.

>>516598508 (OP)
Are these the guys I'm looking for them

>>516598508 (OP)
I think this guy should be excommunicated for even suggesting that.

>>516601501
Freemasons can’t be saints

>>516602588
He was canonized because he made a website, and to justify the canonization, the Vatican made up a supposed miracle 15 years after his death.
Is that easier for you to follow?
>Kirk doesn’t have such qualification
Idk anon maybe some sick baby will be healed on September 10, 2040 and then he can be a saint too!

>>516598508 (OP)
Charlie Kirk Lied when?

>Inevitable India
Fuck off.

>>516598508 (OP)
Honestly I didn’t watch Kirk but he’d make more sense as a saint than the terminally ill track suit gamer coper they’ve got in the box now.

>>516598651
Two miracles have to be attributed to your intercession.

>>516598508 (OP)
He deserves it

>>516598651
One miracle to be considered "Blessed", Three distinct miracles to be considered Sainthood.

>>516598508 (OP)
>Saar! Kirk should become a Christian Saint!

>>516603542
Gotta love how he was buried in a North jacket. The Catholics really want the Great Northern King to be their Monarch.

>>516598508 (OP)
I would be surprised because he isn't catholic, but no one needs a catholic to canonize a person as a saint, if you are saved, you are a saint anyway. So yes Catholics should rethink their policies.

Being a christian saint is a shitty gig.
Not worth it.

>>516599051
Jesus teachings are not possible to follow if you're attracted to women like he wasn't

>>516598508 (OP)
DOLAN :DD

>>516603130
He's a hardcore novus ordo guy

Please sign the petition to canonize Terry Davis as a saint.

https://www.change.org/p/catholic-church-canonize-terrence-a-davis

>>516598508 (OP)
Imagine the amount of seethe

>>516603077
Interesting. I'm not religious but I do believe it might be the case. That's why I said "no hearsay" because I did read that she trafficked kids and shit but I've seen no evidence of it. Hitchens also called her a goblin and whatnot but he never said what's the problem (at least I've never heard him say so)
>>516603442
>He was canonized
>And then the story about the miracle came.
It was the other way around, surely. If you can prove your claim I'll accept it.

>>516598508 (OP)
Why are american clergy all tiktok girlies?

>>516603845
Jesuses teachings ain’t even he’s teachings but pauls

>>516598508 (OP)
According to the Bible, every Christian is a saint, even better, sons and daughter of God Almighty (2Corinthians 6:14-18). True Christians that follow the Word of God, Jesus Christ. That's a saint in Biblical definition.

The idea that only some selected few prominent Christians are concidered Saints, selected by the Roman church, is not Biblical.

Biblically, a “saint” is:
>Anyone who belongs to God (Psalm 50:5).
>Anyone made holy through Jesus Christ (Hebrews 10:10; 1 Corinthians 6:11).
>Anyone who lives set apart for God’s service (Romans 12:1)

A saint is a holy one, a believer set apart by God, cleansed by Christ’s blood, and called to live in holiness.

>>516598508 (OP)
American catholics are not real.

>>516604269
Or anyone else who has transmitted them over the years. Back then, there weren't as many scribes, and they were certainly no less corrupt than they are today.

>>516600779
With liberals you mean mossad right christcuck

>>516604531
>christcuck
Watch your words. Kirk was a proud warrior for global fagism.

>>516604410
Careful buddy, you may start another spiritual civil war

>>516604531
I’m not a christcuck I don’t worship a dead Jew

>>516598508 (OP)
This doesn’t help Catholicism much. He’s a zombie now.

>>516598508 (OP)
He was a heretical Protestant. He cannot be a made a saint. Do you even theology?! There is not salvation outside of the Catholic Church

>>516598508 (OP)
no

>>516598508 (OP)
fuck off
cardinal cock sucker
no protestant is a saint
especially one who literally worshipped the fucking wailing wall which is just about the most anti-christ thing you can do

>>516598508 (OP)
that would be the most disgraceful thing for christianity ..
may god stop these idiots from breathing

>>516604966
Is the religion called Christianity or SaintLousMariewhoeverthefuckianity?

>>516605414
It's called Catholicism. The one and only Christianity, everything else leads to perdition

>>516598508 (OP)
For what? Arguing with retarded college students? The bar for sainthood can't be that low.

>>516605287
You already tried that before and failed commie

>>516598876
>31
He was millennial, genius

>>516598508 (OP)
>Should Charlie Kirk really be canonized as a saint?

He cannot be canonized as a saint, because he was not a member of any of the organizations who claim the authority to canonize people as saints, and all organizations who claim said authority also demand membership in that organization as a prerequisite for canonization. This does not mean he is not a saint, and those who claim the authority to canonize also recognize that there are saints outside of their own official organizations; but they do not have the authority to say with full surety that he is saved, and cannot put their stamp of approval on the claim.

Additionally, though it's not often clear to outside (non-Christian) observers, there is nothing special about "saints" beyond their status as saved and sanctified people. ALL people who are truly saved are saints, and there are legions of saints who are with Christ right now who are unkown, unnamed, and uncanonized. The formal canonization just means the church recognizes their status as saved officially, and puts them forward as an example to be followed when trying to follow a Christian life.

>>516605904
Christpilled post

>>516601225
They did indirectly lead to a return to Traditional Catholic faith

>>516598508 (OP)
when you think things couldn't get any gayer

>>516601985
Of course they do. They consider themselves the most oppressed people in history because we tell them to quit drinking piss and shoving dildos up each others' assholes in front of children.

>>516598508 (OP)
He will be if only for being the only goy to tell netanyahu to get fucked to his face.

>>516598508 (OP)
His grifter ass got shot by an autistic furry due to him hating trains, not because he was "christian". And prots can't be made saints, no matter what the shitty ex-cardinal says.

>>516606430
This sounds like the most disgusting dragons den I ever heard of

No. Didn't preform a miracle? One of the qualities of cannonising?

>>516606641
>basically any blue city on an average day

>>516601416
1054 was the last time, they're referred to as pre-Schism saints

>>516604410
Dumb comment. Katholikos literally means universal, Hans. Christ died for all of humanity, not just Friedrich Poepensnufferd in West Bremen City.

>>516606644
double digits doubly checked
and i'd say that getting jimmy kimmel fired and antifa declared a terrorist organization are both miracles.

>>516598508 (OP)
He wasn’t Catholic and rejected the Catholic faith openly.
The Cardinal is a retard that doesn’t know dogma like all the boomers who got played by masons.

>>516605552
Pretty sure Christianity has three main denominations, from oldest to newest: Orthodoxy, Catholicism, and Protestantism.
All three believe in Jesus Christ as their lord and savior.

>>516606849
Yet a troon still hasn't become a real woman, no miracles for them.
Sad. Very sad!

>>516598508 (OP)
Yes. So should everyone else who was murdered by Jews because it literally makes them like Jesus.

Yes. Him and Saint George will bring unity with their sacrifice

>>516598508 (OP)
If he gets canonized, then all that does is show that all the previous canonizations are political kvetcherie bullshit.

>>516607155
'checkem

a male giving birth would be an unmistakable miracle

>>516605414
You fucking retard it’s the dogma of the Church most mentioned since the first millennium.
It was repeated a godrillion times and still people don’t get it and want to find loopholes.

>>516598508 (OP)
That's One way to Catholicize America...

>>516607366
you might even catch me at mass

>>516606644
The Dicastery for the Causes of Saints needs more meat to grind for their 2000th canonization of the last 40 years after killing a Pope in his sleep and almost shooting a Pope dead.

>>516598508 (OP)
sure, why not, he was killed for his beliefs, chief among them christian goodness. His killer was a degenerate freak who probably hated christians.

>>516607045
Yikes. Try reading books. Orthodox is the schismatic Eastern Church. The first church was the Catholic Church. 200ADish.

>>516599051
What specific teaching would you say is the sticking point?

>>516601709
>>MT was actually kind of fucked up if you read up on her.
>Qrd ? No hearsay
hearsay but the schizos have connected her to human trafficking related to clintons and other big traffickers so that it with a grain of salt. i do remember seeing quite a few photos that made me say what the fuck though, trying to remember who they were with

>>516607045
Kirk's shitty evangelical association doesn't even believe in intercession and canonization so the point of his sainthood being recognized is moot and pointless.

>>516607522
He was a judaizer that celebrated the Sabbath and made his wife leave the Catholic faith.

>>516607340
Right. You worship traditions that were handed down by men, making the word of God to no effect

>>516607633
How do you know what is the word of God?

>>516607576
What book told you that, if there is any? It was lying if so.
The Catholic Church started in 1054 AD when the Patriarch of Rome split off from the rest of the Christian patriarchs.

>>516598508 (OP)
Martyrdom is still a relatively common path to sainthood. There was some nun not that long ago killed by some retarded teens in a Satanic sacrifice that got canonized.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maria_Laura_Mainetti

>>516607633
Who wrote the Bible? Who compiled the Bible? Who built all the Churches? Who established dogmas? MEN MEN MEN MEN. On this rock I will build my church. Protestants are outside of the church founded by Christ, they follow man made religions. They will suffer perdition.

>>516607697
The Holy Bible

>>516607582
he was fricken 'christfag normie with the most watered down moderate position possible.

>>516607624
>nd made his wife leave the Catholic faith.
Which is probably the biggest reason he can't be a Saint. If he's not Catholic.

>>516598508 (OP)
No, but he should be martyred

>>516607839
Who prevented the masses from reading the Bible? The Catholic Church.

>>516607697
Well if you're Christian you believe Jesus was God incarnate, and he said for example "call no man father" but dogma was like "lol no, we'll call the people who invent our traditions 'Church Fathers' and our priests 'Father' cause we know better than you God"

>>516598876
Carlos Acutis was a millennial but he died pretty young

>>516598508 (OP)
Charlie is burning in hell right now now because he wasn’t catholic, so not sure how that would work lol?

>>516607787
UNIVERSAL church. Anything else is schismatic. All of the apostles were Catholic.

>>516602256
We're gonna unify the church again.

>>516607848
You are begging the question.
>how do you know what the Bible is? (The word of God)
>the Holy Bible
You sound like a toddler

>>516607908
How do you know Christ said that?

>>516607898
>martyred
Martyrdom is a possible route to beatification.

>>516607900
Given the sheer number of liberal ‘Christians’ and female ‘pastors’ the Catholic Church was entirely correct in preventing the lay people from reading the Bible. They are too stupid to interpret it.

>>516604356
Amen

>>516607900
People are dumb and stupid. Are you as intelligent as Thomas Aquinas??!? Stupid people need to be guided by learned men. Look at what it gave you Amerikek: a thousand different denominations all contradicting each other.

>>516607878
He didn’t do that. She was and still is Catholic and he went to Mass with her all the time.

>>516607900
The masses were illiterate and a boom used to cost a million dollars in todays money.
I guess the Apostles should have invented the printing press.

>>516607973
>UNIVERSAL church

>>516608000
I have to check your triples. god commands it.

It's a bunch of quotes, which are words. all of the quotes are about god. so it's the word of god. thanks and goodnight.

hahahaha holy fuck I didn't realize the bar for sainthood has dropped to "talk over 20 year old libtards". Is Christianity cooked senpai?

>>516598508 (OP)
No, he was a nice guy but not a saint. Saints are retarded, literally.

>>516608190
Yes, Christ died for blonde eyes and blue haired people. Totally. Do you think this view on reality is going to take you to heaven? phewww, woe is you

>>516608156
Ok, was he Catholic?

>>516607908
There is only one father and that is our father God.

>>516608128
>people are dumb and stupid
Yeah people who need a “pope” to represent them are pretty dumb and stupid, you’re 100% right about that.

>>516599339
The martyr of shots

>>516608341
I've been seeing a whole lot of salty Dutch people lashing out on this board today. You wouldn't have happened to be affiliated with ANTIFA?

>>516608377
The truth is sacramental, hierarchical and traditional. Get back to me when your theological erudition is properly formed and you can explain to me what this means, kid

>>516607789
For Catholics and catechumens.
The Church said in Cantate Domino, Florence, that no work, even martyrdom, can get you to Heaven without the Union.
And the problem with Charlie is that he actively refused the faith.

>>516607900
>allowing the masses to try to interpretate one of the most symbology heavy books ever with no theological education and no understanding of either greek or latin
Worked very well for prots and their morbillion denominations, kek.

>>516608574
In which case the answer is no. Didn't even know he wasn't Catholic.

>>516608511
Try debating me. Use arguments.

>>516598508 (OP)
HOLY BASED

Saint Kirk of the Rotating Inflection Point has a nice ring to it.

>>516598651
He cured Milo 's gayness and soon we will find out he turned Blaire White back into a man

>>516608190
Acts 17:26.
We do not support the modern “Tower of Babel”.

>previous gov canonized a nigger criminal
>current burger gov canonize a shabbos goyim kike lover
>none of the sides noticed how hard they sre being played

>>516598508 (OP)
It's not
>Cardinal Timothy Dolan
or
>Timothy Dolan, Cardinal
it's
>Timothy "Cardinal" Dolan
like an MMA fighter's nickname? Lol

>>516608686
He can't. He's too retarded to debate, Aunt Tifa.

>>516608686
That's a yes lmao

>>516607988
>most divided country in the world will unify something
Lol lmao

You have got to learn your faith and you should never stop learning about it. You dont wanna die the death. Sed libera nos a malo

>>516608847
How does anal sex help us win the culture war?

>>516598508 (OP)
shameless

>>516607787
That's not quite true. Though it is true that the first churches were in the east, the torch was passed to rome willingly. Look at the agreements between the churches at the time of the schism, they had made Rome the leader. I don't like it either, I've grown up protestant because of the horrible pope, and now I'm returning to the Orthodox Church because I see it as the best choice. But the entire church should be unified again. Schism was a mistake.

Who else is going to a traditional Latin mass this Sunday? SSPX Utrecht reporting in

>>516609030
By turning away from G--d, goy

>>516607787
>>516598631
We have to unify the churches, and Evangelicalism must be dealt with as the heresy it is.

>>516609170
I actually do have a church near me I'm moving to that does Latin mass and it is going very based.
I'm quite excited, you should join if you're arrested soon.

>>516609170
Based, me too, but I go in full communion with Rome despite modern tensions.
I trust God will solve the crisis in the end.

>>516608550
>the truth is paying money to me, the pope, so I can live lavishly in a palace in Rome and fuck choirboys
Nah, I don’t think so.

>>516609116
The Holy Roman Catholic Church. Still the largest religion on the planet.

>>516602256
Accccctualy you only need a legitimate desire to be in union with someone the Church. There is a strong tradition of unbaptized (let alone non-Catholic) would-be Christians bending recognized as saints through martyrdom.

>>516609385
>donate money to pastor Bob’s prop show instead

>>516609287
>>516598631
Take every leader. Every top church father, and drag them to court at the Holy See. Put Evangelicalism on trial.

>>516609456
He didn’t have any desire, he even opposed the Church and made his wife and kids drop out.
Stop the cap.

Almost sounds like the Orthodox talking to CIA Tucky.

>>516604356
According to the Roman Catholic Church, a saint is anyone in heaven. Some dead people are recognised as having most likely gone to heaven if they meet certain criteria. You protesant fuck bucket.

>>516609456
>There is a strong tradition of unbaptized (let alone non-Catholic) would-be Christians bending recognized as saints through martyrdom.
It exclusively only covers a few of the Orthodoxy.

>>516609333
Latin mass is so beautiful. The Novus Ordo cannot compete.
>>516609359
SSPX mass is the mass we practiced for centuries. SSPX is not outside of the church like the sedevacantists.

I would become catholic but all conservative catholics and converts are too cartoonish for me to take seriously. Maybe this sounds like a silly hill to die on, especially if you think its the universal church, but anytime I read a tweet from a traditionalist or conservative catholic, its always the most unhinged and retarded schizo shit.

>>516598954
nobody watches that shit, their ratings suck
it's a "dignified" exit for these bozos, hamming it up, sticking it to the man lmao

>>516607787
EO isn't unified, they can't innovate, can't even agree on basic tenants like divorce and baptism.

>>516608354
Are you asking me if Charlie was catholic? Just look it up

>>516609822
Church unification is a matter of politics. Not for the body. You're going to be part of the church that suits your character. Jesus has different words for each church in revelation. Different strengths, different weaknesses.

>>516609822
Go to a Latin mass and experience it for yourself. The internet is not reality, my guy. There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church

>>516609816
I know but they are in partial communion though.
I’m in favor of them, we need people like them in the Church unlike what sedes are doing.
I’m just saying I don’t have their fraternity here, where I go sometimes they pull up also the older missals (pre -62) for daily mass.

>>516609604
Charlie Kirk is the devil. He is the mouthpiece for the far-right, and he is a liar. He has made a career out of spreading false information and misleading people. He is a danger to society and needs to be stopped

>>516598508 (OP)
Nice kippah Jew boy.

>>516598508 (OP)
They are trying their best to act like they liked charlie, because they killed him. Fuck this shit.

>>516610149
Ironically the Jews copied the zucchetto for some reason, they were forced to wear pointy hats before.

>>516598631
We have NO CHOICE

If the churches do not unify, then we cannot get rid of heretical sects like Evangelicalism and churches. If anyone can split from the Church and start their own, then THIS is the fruit of it. Insane heretical death cults where they commit deliberate acts of evil in the middle east to bring about the apocalypse. Evangelicalism MUST be put on trial. To do that we have to unify.

>>516610204
It’s fake piety signaling.

>>516604966
This was more for heretics and apostates. It doesn’t apply to people that were never taught the gospels or properly catechized in the Catholic faith.

>>516607602
Well I looked it up so
>There are photos with her and various celebs
>Young Fauci for example
Fauci is an Italian, so probably Catholic and MT was next to Pope for Catholics, I guess tons of people wanted to meet her
>Robert Maxwell
That's a strange one, especially bcs he was a Jew. Apparently he wanted to meet her when she was in London and allegedly offered her a donation if she endorsed his business venture, a religious publication.
>Unsourced claim of child trafficking
So she was selling kids and piling up money while wearing same sandals for 40 years. Some people are like that but idk if I'm convinced
>Hitchens
I don't even get his point about her, that guy was just yapping all the time
Idk

>>516598508 (OP)
The seethe would be glorious

>>516598631
>Jew loves him
Looks like he's burning in hell then. Sad

>>516610137
Surely you can find a 1962 Latin mass somewhere in Italy? Vernacular is so cringe. The reverence levels are over 9000. It really is all about Him and not the congregation. Our pastor doesnt even greet us, he walks straight to the altar.

>>516609604
Nigger there are multiple pictures of him attending Mass. He was friends with Bishop Barron.

>>516607839
Who birthed Jesus ? Checkmate homo misogynist

>>516609493
>don’t support your own local community, support the Vatican City instead!

>>516610402
It does:
>Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.

Charlie was exposed, and refused.
Even by Vatican II standards he cannot be a saint.

>>516601985
Jesus Christ was literally the original Karl Marx, and his early followers were basically Antifa.

>>516601108
Shut the fuck up shitgolem

>>516610402
Theologically speaking you can find salvation outside of the Church but you would have to believe everything a Catholic believes and never lose your state of sanctifying grace after you have been baptized. That is pretty much impossible. You would have to be perfect like Christ never sinning again. Without confession I dont see any man pulling this off. We are weak and fallen.

>>516610610
Donations go to the parish fucking retard.
>>516610563
Is that your bar? Entering a parish but rejecting the Church?
Do you even realize what you are talking about?
There is a screen from his wife instagram of her rejecting the faith on a picture of them in a church.
Barron is friend with Jews, and Jews are not saved.

This Charlie was based and Catholic larp needs to fucking stop, he wasn’t even baptized.

Is it happening? Are we bringing back dolan from the dead?

>>516608890
We must, or die. Personally, I don't care. I'm just a little guy.

>>516598508 (OP)
Absolutely he should. If only to piss off leftist scum.

>>516598508 (OP)
>a modern-day Saint Paul
so, a jewish grifter?

>>516610560
Yes, the problem are the bishops, before even some diocesans did it occasionally.

>>516610124
The only traditionalist I like is Roberto dei Mattei and maybe Ed Feser. The fact that there are only 2 means something. These people like Taylor Marshal, Michael Matt, and Cassman are genuinely too retarded to have any pull and I think it cheapens the entire institution when there is no attempt to reign these people in. I read the SSPX bulletins and I promise you: American traditionalism is completely aligned with the most destructive and brain-rotting brand migger conservatism available. I feel like I have something to offer the church, but I will literally NEVER be a zigger. This is just how I see things. Sorry you had to read my crypost.

>>516599339
No that one goes to Fuentes when they kill him.

>>516610990
Bishop Barron is totally Novus Ordo. Pray for him

>>516600551
>He wasn't a perfect man.
only one was, is, and is to come

>>516604087
>Hitchens also called her a goblin and whatnot but he never said what's the problem (at least I've never heard him say so)
He mentioned her in God Is Not Great, and his complaints largely boiled down to the fact that she believed in the power of prayer and faith healing, which, no shit, she's a fucking nun, and Hitchens thought it was malicious. I don't know about the trafficking stuff, and to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if it were true, but Hitchens was just being a douchey atheistic prick.

>>516600234
nu/pol doesn't get this

>>516598508 (OP)
It's true though, CK was the greatest man alive until that troon loving furry faggot took him out. CK probably was too close to being sinless.

>>516611218
Today there are so many people who need intercessions but the monasteries are closed.
We really rely on the saints in heaven.

but he is in valhalla

>>516611068
You know what else would piss of the leftist? Getting shat in your mouth and walking around with your mouth open and forcing them to smell it. Do it to "own the libs" bro

>>516611131
SSPX was founded by LeFebvre, a French priest. What are you on about? The only other option is the sedevacantists but these are tryhards. The SSPX is the only sensible option, it is the mass we always had. This mass is most pleasing to God

>>516598508 (OP)
That's not what he said. He's comparing him to St Paul and what he did with his life.

>>516598508 (OP)
He's the new Jesus.
It's year 1 AC(After Charlie)

>>516598508 (OP)
Charlie is the Real Charlamane tha GOD

>>516611557
you sound upset. problems dilating?

>>516598508 (OP)
No

>>516598508 (OP)
He is by definition a Red Martyr but they don't typically canonize someone until at least 5 years after their death.

>>516611574
not really, i think he's just a guy that's doing his best to live a good life.

that being said, i think it's hilarious that he's been demonized by the left

>>516608036
It says so in Matthew 23:9 which is believed to be an accurate account according to all versions of Christianity

>>516611574
What I'm on about is a very serious vibe problem. LeFebvre wasn't exactly a clean figure either. Even Bishop tissier's biography on him is very open about that fact.

>>516611578
>>516611582
Charlie Kirk is the new incarnation.
The saint of masterdebation, remember for masterdebating on young college girls.
Sinless in his ways, conceived immaculate free from the fall of Adam, he was assumed on the hospital bed to Heaven.

>>516611894
>according to all versions of Christianity
But that’s a tradition of men anon.
Apparently the Bible is false.

Always the Church going with the most popular, worldly thing.

>>516598631
>israel kills Charlie
>israel makes him a saint
>israel plays victim of people noticing israel killed Charlie
why do you guys do this? honest question

>>516611960
LeFebvre will canonized a saint one day. The Church will be born anew. The Novus Ordo wont last, the Church is eternal. Truth is eternal. Truth is not subjected by time nor can be changed by the whims of men. Have faith

>>516598508 (OP)
Holy shit imagine the seething. If Charlie were a saint spics would have to revere him. It would play out in real time.

Just imagine the insanity that would brew between spics and godless atheist leftists fighting for spics to remain in the country. Please god do it, it would be so fucking funny.

>>516604087
Hitchens wrote a book full of unsourced garbage. While only some of it were straight up lies, a lot of it was just him trying to paint religion in as bad a light as possible by cherry picking facts and interpreting them in an unreasonable way. For example, Hitchens turns
>MT couldn't give dying people pain meds because the Indian government banned opiods even for medical use
Into
>MT wouldn't give painkillers to the dying because she was an ultra-religious psycho
The pajeet ultra-nationalists came in shortly afterwards because they hate the fact that MT was a foreigner who converted a lot of Indians to a foreign religion while highlighting the cruelty of the caste system. So they started spreading rumors that all the converts were forced, or died beforehand but then got listed as a convert anyway, or were denied treatment unless they got baptized.

>>516612342
Just so we are clear: I don't even dispute that LeFebvre was a sincere witness to your faith, I just think you guys are vibe terrorists.

>>516600620
If you believe he portrayed ideals that he didn't speak publicly about that is on you. But, he publicly followed the ideals of the Christian faith. He publicly stated that he believed in the resurrection of Jesus Christ. He observed the faith publicly and presented himself as a high moral Christian. If you don't believe he is in heaven. I would like to know why you believe that?

>>516598508 (OP)
Now that he's dead, he can't call out the pedophiles anymore.

>>516613528
>he publicly followed the ideals of the Christian faith
Tard 3:16 - "and Jesus said, kill the poor."

>>516611327
>one of the worst dolan memes
gooby pls

>>516612580
>The pajeet ultra-nationalists came in shortly afterwards because they hate the fact that MT was a foreigner who converted a lot of Indians to a foreign religion while highlighting the cruelty of the caste system.
That actually sounds plausible

>>516598508 (OP)
Americans are so goddamn stupid and tasteless. Every American is a spiritual and intellectual nigger.

>>516601174
he said americans have to deal with dead kids in school shootings to keep their gun rights. most people are probably not on board with that kind of thinking.

>>516614075
y u so butthurt kike?

you hate when something good could come from something bad huh :(

>laughed and sneered at dead Palestinians
>modern day Saint
Nope. You need to be a universalist or borderline universalist to think he went to Heaven

>>516612219
>israel kills Charlie
The right wing killed Charlie confirmed

>>516614389
You aren't even an American, you are a pajeet.

every previous saint loved rape babies and hated black pilots, so yes

>>516612219
Why did the scorpion sting the frog?

Pope Francis canonised 21 Coptic Orthodox martyrs killed by ISIS.

>>516599051
>His death hit me in the feels
It’s because you’re part of the body of Christ my friend.

>>516598508 (OP)
all he did was sit in a chair and argue with college kids.
what in the living fuck is going on in this clown world?
yes, he was cool, i liked him, i liked what he did.
but goddamn... a national holiday? fucking sainthood?
we going to canonize asmondgold next when he dies from some disease he caught from a roach?

>>516598508 (OP)
First we'd need a pope to do that and Leo ain't it.

>>516598508 (OP)
>Should Charlie Kirk really be canonized as a saint?
Already is
>>516598631
>>516598651

NEW THREAD

>>516618343
>>516618343
>>516618343

>>516618582
LMAO

conservatives really are just prone to cults of personality, easily brainwashed and manipulated.

charlie kirk only cared about money. everything he did in life was to make himself rich, and it worked. He was worth more than most people could ever imagine, owning multiple houses.

so of course, the cult of the grift worships a man who made millions of dollars like he was some kind of prophet. Just more prosperity gospel garbage

when did charlie kirk ever help the poor / needy? When did he ever start a charity, feed homeless people, donate money to good causes to end poverty / hunger? When did he ever serve his country? He only served himself much like most of these other grifting assholes.

>>516601398
>You are supposed to perform two miracles and then die a martyrs death.
You don't have to be a martyr. Just the two miracles and a life of virtue (at the end- that doesn't mean martyrdom, just that you ended up a good person even if you started as a piece of shit).

I'd also point out people can be saints without being canonized - anyone who goes to heaven is a saint. Canonization is just formal recognition.

>>516618926
He turned down $150 million, offered personally by Net and Yoohoo to stay on the pro-kike bandwagon. That's why they killed him. The carrot didn't work, like it works for most of our politicians, so he got the stick instead.

>>516598651
>>516601398
wrong. St. Simon of Trent, pic rel

>>516614240
not being a whiny bitch when people kill you is one of the core tenants of christianity

>>516620280
This looks like the company retreat at the last law firm I worked for

>>516598508 (OP)
wouldn't that be somewhat equivalent to a declaration of war?

>>516620391
saved

>>516598508 (OP)
Charlie wasn't even Catholic.

>>516598631
Fpbp

>>516598508 (OP)
no but every catholic priest should be shot in the face