Thread 516601589

How effective are these birds at deterring NATO aggression on Russia?

Gotta go fast

>>516601589 (OP)
Pretty much useless.

>>516601589 (OP)
I bet you can buy a bit of stuff on Aliexpress for 100k that defuses the whole world's jet interceptor fleet. Military is a joke now that tech development is so fast, their culture simply does not allow them to keep up.

>>516601589 (OP)
They are just really really fast and can drop some good payload for very cheap. That's it.

>>516601589 (OP)
cheap and fast, they also have some crazy ass maneuvers so they can send gazillions fr

>>516601589 (OP)
Have you seen russian pilots? They're all fatheaded retarded mongoloids like you.

>>516601589 (OP)
For me, its the MiG-25 "Foxbat"

>>516601589 (OP)
They're afraid to fly them over Ukraine who only has like 5 F-16s that they don't even know how to fly. So I'd say they are useless commie dogshit that would get shot down in the first 10 minutes of war.

>>516602659
>They're afraid to fly them over Ukraine

>>516602521
>Have you seen russian pilots?
yeah... they fly circles around Amerifags

>>516601589 (OP)
The equivalent of sending out troops on foot across ukraine. They know they're about to be blown up, they're even questioning why they're there but they do it anyway and a F35 will blow it out of the sky with no hesitation or emotion.

>BBC POCCNN
what did they mean by this?

>>516601589 (OP)
Not very, beyond being a delivery vehicle for Russia's hypersonic missiles they've been out-matched by western counterparts for decades.

>>516602659
>tp
>tf

>>516601589 (OP)
>migger-31
they’re great for being shot in the neck

>>516602866
Cope. The F-35 is inferior to the MiG-31 in almost every way.
>Far less speed
>Less agile
>Less range
>Lower ceiling
>Can't dogfight
>Expensive as fuck

>>516601589 (OP)
Nukes, and the fact that only retarded neocons want to be aggressive towards Russia, are Russia's deterrence, not their shitty conventional weaponry.

>>516601589 (OP)
>>516601814
we can blow them up at the airfields

>>516602659
They don't need to. They have R-37s with 300km range and very powerful radars. A fat, subsonic fuck like the F-35 would be so screwed trying to hit a Mig-31 moving at mach 2+.

>>516601589 (OP)
>1970s tech
>radar signature of Rhode Island
>slower than most executive jets
>designed to carry stand-off weaponry and not engage
Not very.

>>516603427
>blows you out of the sky 100 miles away
heh bet you didn't see that one coming

>>516603427
None of that means shit when the mig is blown out of the sky before it even knows the f-35 is looking at them.

>>516603651
>slower than most executive jets
Business jets can reach Mach 2.8? Bong education at its finest.

>>516603670
>>516603705
>100 miles away
No pilot has eyesight that good.

>>516603670
>heh bet you didn't see that one coming
*Mig-31 casually shoots you down inside Russia from 300km*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-37_(missile)

>>516603743
>his business jet doesn't go over mach 2
pathetic

>>516601589 (OP)
No interstellar travel, pff, I call it bullshit. Come back when you travelled the galaxies.

>>516603906
"most business jets"
>posts retired plane that was never privately owned by anyone
I'm still waiting.

>>516603836
>shoots missile
at what sergei? You can't detect shit, hows your cross section btw?

>>516603705
>when the mig is blown out of the sky before it even knows the f-35 is looking at them.
Lmao, the Mig-31 radar is far larger and more powerful than the F-35s.

>>516601589 (OP)
They are designed for shooting down AWACS which is highly effective against NATO, considering the doctrine that high ranking air command officers are sitting on that aircraft to control the battlefield. They could be quite effective at throwing western air forces into a disarray.

>>516604008
>mutts so abrasive since trump came in
learn to take a joke dumb nigger

>>516604040
>at what sergei? You can't detect shit, hows your cross section btw?
I don't think you understand what will happen when a subsonic F-35 gets within range of a Mig-31 with a radar 3x the power output of the one the F-35 has and missiles with 3x the range. Given bandwidths, the Mig should be able to see the F-35 from 100km plus away, fire an R-37 at it and fly away at a higher altitude and speed than the F-35 can reach.

>>516604351
>muh rader bigger
are you going to shoot at every bumblebee and hope it's an F35? Fucking hell you're dumb. You're so predictably dumb I'm going to make your next argument for you. What bumble bee will be thousands of feet in the air? The one thats going to blow your giant piece of soviet dogshit away.

>>516604351
>the Mig should be able to see the F-35 from 100km plus away
If you keep saying it maybe it will come true

>>516601589 (OP)
TOTAL SHITHEAPS

THEY SHOULD SHOOT ONE DOWN JUST TO PUT PUTLER ON NOTICE

>>516601589 (OP)
MiG-31s are FSAT.

>>516604568
>are you going to shoot at every bumblebee and hope it's an F35
God bongs are stupid. Stealth doesn't make you invisible; it merely decreases the range at which you can be detected. An extremely powerful radar like the MiG-31 has will still see an F-35 from quite a ways away. Even if the F-35 could engage the MiG-31, the missile will be so kinematically impacted trying to climb to altitude and reach the same speed as the Mig-31 that it will be easy for it to evade. The same, of course, cannot be said for the F-35, which will be at a much lower altitude and facing an R-37 flying downwards at a much slower target.
>>516604580
Go ahead and try shooting one down in real life, I'll be here to gloat when it goes badly for you.

>>516604580
serbians shot down your dogshits with missiles made in the 60s and those were stealthier than anything you have today...

>>516603427
By far the most zetarded post I have seen today. Nobody dogfights anymore lmao you get btfo'ed by some gay BVR / over the horizont missile and thats that. You need to go back Ivan. Wasnt Estonia on track to kick you retards out?

>>516602497
The Mig-31 is an interceptor with a very high wing loading. It turns like a tramp steamer.

>>516603906
This was a fucking hilarious post bongbro and dont let any colonials tell you otherwise ken

>>516601589 (OP)
afaik its the electronic warfare trucks and missiles that do that job
infiltrators in all western governments along with ngos flooding us with migrants helps a lot too

>>516605212
I never mentioned stealth dumb russian nigger. You'd have to tune your rader to show a cross section of 0.005m2 or in other words bugs! You're never detecting an F35 over 100 miles away with your soviet piece of shit (if it even works, which it doesn't and never did).
>hur dur but we're fast!
AMRAAMS go faster than your piece of shit soviet plane cope more
>its super agile!
>tries to turn at at mach 3 to escape missile going mach 4
>pilot segei passes the fuck out and crashes into his local vodka off licence

>>516601589 (OP)
That's one sexy fucking plane I tell you what

>>516601589 (OP)
>NATO aggression
NATO is the most feminine organization on Earth, Idk what are you talking about

>>516603427
>can't dogfight

Not exactly true. It has performed surprisingly well in dissimilar air combat training exercises due to factors like its user-friendly flight controls and low drag from internally-carried weapons. Pilots report that its flying characterics are somewhere between the FA-18 and F-16, both formidable dogfighters. The real fly in the ointment with the F-35 is its abysmal in-service rate.

>>516601589 (OP)
They are faster than our missiles but their own air to air loudout sucks. They are good bombers

>>516601589 (OP)
Ummm….why does it say BBC on the back fin?

>>516601589 (OP)
Fastest interceptors on earth, can hit Mach 3.2 at peak speed, mach 2.8 at normal high speed. None of Nafo fags fighter jets do that kind of speed. Also can launch Khinzal hypersonic missiles which gives their capacity to hit at 2000 kms, taking the range of the fighter and the range of the Khinzal into account.
In short if the Mig-31 armed with Khinzal shoots, Nafo fags can simply watch it hit bullseye incapable of neither intercepting the coming missile nor intercept the fast Mig-31.

>>516602602
MiG-25 has my heart too. But the MiG-31 is big serious daddy. The Russians under play its real speed, it’s mach 3.2 at peak, and it could be faster too.
The new MiG-43 will be its replacement soon.

>>516606631
>gets blown out of the sky by an AMRAAM 115 miles away travelling at mach 4
No hard feelings eh

>>516606631
> New MiG-43
Cant wait for them to build like 3 of them over 5 years whilst boasting about how they really really fr on god will hit their production target of another 3 some day like with Armata.
Go back to your magic carpets bro and leave aerospace matters to civilizations that matter.

>>516602842
They're used to intercept bombers

russians have proven themselves to be the biggest meme power of all time. never at once has russia had parity with the usa's air power and they still don't. russia has always been technologically inferior, they even admitted this with their cope about being a great land power which they aren't even that. the usa has been shitting down the throat of russians and russian technology throughout the cold war and still continues to do so today. s400? junk. russia can't even gain air superiority over fucking ukraine. joke country only worshiped by shitskins that think they are fighting some great war against the west

>>516601589 (OP)
Not very effective. The tech in them is very outdated. They would get BTFO by any modern fighter jet, be it American, Chinese, or European.

>>516603467
The only thing NAFO can blow are troons

>>516606981
You don't want to enjoy magic carpets like the Arabs and Iranians do?

>>516606169
>You'd have to tune your rader to show a cross section of 0.005m2 or in other words bugs! You're never detecting an F35 over 100 miles away with your soviet piece of shit (if it even works, which it doesn't and never did).
Lmao, dumbass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffGQLnlXks4
>AMRAAMS go faster than your piece of shit soviet plane cope more
Not in a climb to 70,000 feet and to hit an object moving at Mach 2 at that altitude. Play DCS if you're too stupid to learn how modern BVR engagements work.
>>its super agile!
The Mig-31? When did I say that? It just has to execute a slow bank at Mach 2 while at 70,000 feet in the direction opposite of the incoming missile and it will almost certainly evade it.
>tries to turn at at mach 3 to escape missile going mach 4
Yeah, that's means the missile is very slow and, thus, easy to dodge.
>pilot segei passes the fuck out and crashes into his local vodka off licence
t. doesn't know anything about g-forces.

Holy shit, they aren't sending their best over at the Mi6 branch of NAFO.

>>516601589 (OP)
against anything other than bombers or ICBMs its fucked. its an interceptor
even an F-16 can clap this
>>516603828
first bait was good, work on this one

>>516606839
>AMRAAM 115 miles away
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
Funny bong. Meanwhile in reality:
>MiG-31 sees you 400 kms away because of its superior far seeing radar
>literally shoots you with the KS-172 long range missile, declared range 400 kms.
>air to air, 4000 km/h interceptor missile coming hot at you from 400 kms away
>cannot see it coming
>cannot dodge it on time
>it was ended as soon as it started
Nothing personal kid, thanks for playing

>>516603906
French tech. You never done anything close to it, and it was a stupid idea.
You can't build a proper fighter or an airplane.

>>516607095
this

>>516607287
>>516607305
>still thinks they're going to detect an F35 with a cross section of a bumble bee before the F35 amRAAMS their cock down your throats, didn't really read most of your cope btw
>>516607383
>we built it
>it was stupid
ok lmao

>>516607548
>bong shill still too stupid to understand how the RCS reduction works.
How'd those Serbs shoot down the F-117 Bumblebee! Many such cases!

>>516606981
>make 3 in 5 years
SU-57 batches were regularly delivered, Russians have at least 32 SU-57’s plus many have confirmed kills from Ukraine. They just dont declare when they use the SU-57 you will know after the war exactly how many and how many kills. Production of it is increased too.
>Armata
The Ukraine war theater have shown to the Russian decision makers that expensive fancy tanks like the Leopard and the Armata were not the priority on the battlefield, because they are expensive and thanks to drone warfare they can be costly loses. So they focused on making large numbers of T-90M pyrva, and T-80 (latest), instead of fewer Armata’s. The battlefield is the priority, what works well is the T-90’s and T80’s so they are making 120 a month of those ones which is an amazing number for production.

>>516607704
They literally watched the planes when they left the airfield and the dumb mutts kept flying the same routes so they waited and caught one with bay doors open. Lurk more dumb nigger.

>>516601589 (OP)
>loiters outside Ukraine with transponder on, definitely not sending data to Ukraine military, effectively eliminating 5 of the 10 fighter jets Russia can muster and half of the SAM sites
nothing personal

>>516607287
do you even watch your own video you delusional russian faggot? first of all russia is africa tier and isn't capable of downing anything the usa has. they can't even gain air superiority in ukraine. second of all, they specifically mention how radar jamming is just as important which the usa is currently the best at as well and would also suppress any air defenses before you send in your primary strike aircraft which the usa is also the best at

it's truly insulting comparing the nigger shithole of russia to usa, it's gross. compare russia to the congo

>>516607832
>They literally watched the planes when they left the airfield and the dumb mutts kept flying the same routes so they waited and caught one with bay doors open.
Lmao, nice cope. The reason was that old soviet radars use a different band than the one stealth is designed to be resistant to and managed to spot it within a reduced radius around the SAM site and fired at it. They also hit a second F-117 doing the same thing. This is because the closer an object is to the emitter, the higher the resolution is, meaning even the stealthiest plane cannot fly directly over one, hence why you still have SEAD aircraft.

>>516607548
>>still thinks they're going to detect an F35 with a cross section of a bumble bee
B-B-HAHAHAHAHHAHA
You must be a Nafo faggot, everyone with a sane brain knows the F35 is a lemon, if you told me the F22 then maybe there would be a good fight, but the F35 is junk and not stealthy, the only positive of the stealthiness of the F35 is jewish manufacturer’s bank account, it’s expensive and does not the job.
Iran have downed not 1 but 3 F35 during the israeli agression. Yemen scares the F35’s away with their air defenses. The F35 is seen and easily targetable with the right radar. Not X band. X band is how they scammed americans.
https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/china-claims-new-radar-can-detect-stealth-f-22-and-f-35-fighters/

Every single resistance force have the necessary radars to hit the F35. You dumb faggot.

>>516608010
>isn't capable of downing anything the usa has
You know except all those Ukranian F-16s that keep 'crashing.'
>they can't even gain air superiority in ukraine
Have you seen a video of a Ukrainian jet flying over the front in the last year? I know I haven't.
>is just as important which the usa is currently the best at as well and would also suppress any air defenses before you send in your primary strike aircraft which the usa is also the best at
With what? Against the networked distributed IADS? Lmao, you lost so many planes against the Iraqis using ancients SAMs, don't even kid yourself.

>>516608167
no it's not and there's a reason they never did it again. you can continue to cope in your fantasy wreality, maybe it will make you feel better about your small penis i don't know

>>516608167
>they had spies in italy where the strike missions came from
>they knew the EW ea-6b Prowlers were grounded
>they literally knew the route the plane was flying and basically aimed the rader exactly there
was an opsec failure not a plane failure retard lurk more and learn history better FAGGOT

>>516601589 (OP)
>>516602602
>>516603427
Canadian CF-18's who have 10,000s of hours on expired airframes and leak fuel all over the place are the superior Fighter

>>516608376
no, what actually happened was you russian subhumans got militarily defeated in afghanistan, losing a 1,000,000 men to dirt farmers with stingers. you also lost in chechnya twice and have to pay kadyrov billions so he doesn't attack you. then you lost in georgia and now ukraine. you're a joke, you're so much of a joke you have to use a vpn because you're such an embarrassment, russian faggot

you also lost the space race

>>516608388
>no it's not and there's a reason they never did it again
The reason they never did it again was because the war ended. Not that the U.S. had more than a handful of F-117s to fly over Serbia anyways.
>Reddit insult
Lmao, go back to r/ukraine so you can based face when Zelensky goes to beg for more gibs.

>>516608388
>American sources state that a second F-117 was targeted and damaged during the campaign, allegedly on 30 April 1999. The aircraft returned to Spangdahlem Air Base, but it supposedly never flew again. The USAF continued using the F-117 during Operation Allied Force.

>>516608568
i guarantee you're the one with the reddit account, probably got banned and now you shit up /pol/ with your shrimp dick tard raging. i'm convinced you have a small dick now

>>516608256
>he fell for the iran blew up 10 F35's bait
bet you watch fox news too retard lmao

>>516608516
>American version: an extremely specific series of events that coincidentally happened more than ocne
>More likely version: American plane put in environment against weapons it wasn't designed to fight and lost.
Occam's Razor.

>>516601868
F16 can't even take off when they are in the air

>>516608553
>got militarily defeated in afghanistan
Oh yeah.

>>516608772
>and we never did it ever again
sounds like cope to me slavnigger

>>516608681
>probably got banned and now you shit up /pol/ with your shrimp dick tard raging. i'm convinced you have a small dick now

>>516608871
So why haven't you invaded Russia yet if your meme plane is invisible?

>>516608976
Remove nukes from the equation and your shit country would already be chopped up between china and europe.

>>516607936
>Ukraine with transponder on, definitely not sending data to Ukraine military
The Hohols have no equipment to hit with. Or what the wunderwaffen F16’s kek. You are cooked mutts.

>>516609083
I thought Russian nukes didn't work, though?

>>516608735
The female israeli terrorist pilot that was in the F35 who of course as a pussy ejected on site, is still in detention in Iran. In 20 years she may be released.

>>516607548
F-35 are not fighter jets an F-16 or J-10 can easily counter it.
It's just a glorified Harrier jet with Russian Vtoll technology

>>516609173
Feel free to quote me in this thread saying that dumb slavnigger. Why haven't you nuked us yet if they work?

>>516609173
>british nuke misfire a Trident missile heading for Florida
A mutt made nuke heading back to mutt-land after being misfired by a bong is just hilarious, God is truly the greatest comedian.

>>516609312
>Feel free to quote me in this thread saying that dumb slavnigger.
>in this thread
>not those other threads though
Huh, must've been a totally different shill with a British flag.

>>516609199
> Zero proof provided for any claims
Delusional gloating as always from churka zetards and their sandnigger simps.

>>516609225
Indeed. The F35 cannot go over mach 1 for more than 1 minute without losing its expensive skin that is “supposed” to give it stealth. Whoever makes them is a scammer, whoever buys them is a scammer enabler and a public fund thief.

>>516609199
I can feel your seething brown Iranian fingers pounding on the keyboard from here
>>516609382
>/pol/ is one flag per person
lurk more then
>>516609225
its a strike fighter if you want to be pedantic

>>516609523
>>/pol/ is one flag per person
Pretty much, 90% of bong flags I see are glowies spouting the most retarded propaganda 24/7.

>>516602383
They massive climbrate count too, heavy load of missiles, very good plane but burn thru fuel, can't stay around for long. Stealth=less time to react, super speed =less time to react for enemy

>>516609084
who is shooting down all the russian jets and helicopters then?

>>516609616
> glowies spouting the most retarded propaganda 24/7.
Says the guy gassing up russians with an american flag, I'm just here to shit on your propaganda

>>516608256
I can't wait for J-10 vs F-35s Jews were kvetching about China delivering those jets to Iran

>>516603467
>we
You mean America, eurocucks can't do shit

>>516609743
>Says the guy gassing up russians with an American flag
Sorry, but the Mig-31 is just a much better BVR aircraft than the F-35. Now an F-22 would stand a better chance or, hypothetically, some an A-12 with modern missiles but Fat Amy is nothing but a stealthy bomb truck for bombing third worlders.

>>516609523
It's crap you should not close down your typhoon factories in favor for mutt junk.
Stealth doesn't mean that you can't be seen

>>516602842
No wonder, low ECM score , it's best used vs airlong range missile exchange, hi can fox2 then 180 and outrun missiles of enemy

>>516609743
They use gaming mice at their desk jobs?

>>516601589 (OP)
Putin keeps making degen bets that he can short-cut/bluster his way to victory. Someone with some self-preservation intact will have to defenestrate him soon, or he'll end up getting into a real war.

>>516601589 (OP)
It's an interceptor. It goes real fast and it has a giant radar. There are folk tales about the power of the Mig-25 and Mig-31's radar. Supposedly the radar could catch rabbits on fire on the runways during taxiing. It's probably not true. But it's supposed to be a tall tale about the power of its radar. It's supposed to fly super fast, fire missiles from long range, and fly away. It can carry the R-37 which outranges every missile in the U.S. inventory.

>>516609927
Feel free to post that source picture slavnigger :^)

>>516609960
unironically
>>516609930
im more in favor of just nuking russia and being done with it desu

>>516609382
He's not a bong. Bongs don't say "dumb", it is an American word.

>>516609616
t. shill checking in here.
>>516609173
1. that's why you test them
2. those are american nukes

>>516602602
Most beautiful jet ever made. That's the tranier variant with the second cockpit, it looks like something straight out of a science fiction movie.

Mighty CAF demonstration

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HDIxzSMp-0

>>516606169
Hi is right, 1vs1 mig destroy f35 but airforce would send f18 super hornets vs mugs 31 for long range engagement

>>516609389
My claims:
https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/two-israeli-f35-shot-down-iran-pilot-captured
Even tho today the jewish terrorists dont admit it, we all know it’s real as they never admit to loses.

>>516610173
>no argument
>I'm not shill btw dude trust me
Lmao.

>>516610534
It wouldn't be a 1v1 because F35's work in multiples being forward sensors for the one shooting.
>>516610679
>posts random telegram picture from slavnigger copenews
>ha im winning!
Winning like you are in Ukraine

>>516610408
>that's why you test them
So why did the same issue happen twice in a row?
>those are american nukes
No, Britain has its own nukes. The missiles you do rent from us like the vassals you are, though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2Z0Y-mFMBk

Russian technology sucks, nato can curb stomp russia, except if it's a localized war like Ukraine

>>516609719
It has been at least a year or 2 where Russia didn’t lose planes.
The only tool that trapped Russians and lost 4 planes in one day in 2023 was the Patriot, but that was dealt with all Patriots were destroyed, it’s no more a threat.
All I see today is FAB’s of all calibers landing unhindered and missiles targeting hohols with scary accuracy.

Migs are Jewish btw. Gurevich = a very Jewish name

>>516610515
Accidents happen. This is very similar to that Ukrainian air show crash. F-18 is a good jet.

>>516610778
Oh, that's what you're kvetching about? The bad news about the F-35? You think it's fake? Lmao.

Jews are the master race

>>516610827
>you aren't destroying our planes anymore
>why
>because we aren't flyi-i mean because we just got better!
cope lmao

>>516601589 (OP)
Aesthetic af desu senpai.
As USSR hardware often was.

>>516607763
They not making 120 of them but restoring/upgrading to X standards armata is the only new hull that is produced (from MBT,s, plenty of new lighter armour)

>>516609753
Kek. The J10 alone with the PL15 would smoke their juden-wunderwaffen F35 indeed.
Also, latest news, since the jewish terrorist agression on Qatar, Saudi Arabia will pay for Pakistan to get the J20’s and J35’s from China, they also signed a defense agreement to make sure terrorist jews dont repeat what they did to Qatar.
I wish my country bought 100 J20’s… but we are jewed… fml.

>>516610941
>Yeah, guys the total lack of any Ukrainian planes means Russia lost.
Lmao. F-16 status?

>>516611090
Yes. Many are refurbished and some are made brand new from scratch. The refurbished are dismantled then reassembled, the good parts kept, and the new parts installed.
For fast field usage, it’s the same as new desu. All are tested before being shipped.

>>516610930
>you think its fake
it is fake clearly i can tell by the background in the original picture its telegram/whatsapp dumb retarded slavNIGGER
>It might have a landing fault after 1300 landings and will need checking after every 200 landings
Also called an inspection lmao
>certain lots of frames might have a defect
and they'll make new ones lmao
>plane might blow up if hit by a weapon
wew lad
>the tint might come off
really grasping at straws here slavNIGGER HHAHAHAHA
>>516611237
4 year air superiority special military operation!

>>516604351
>muhh plane has stronger radar than other plane
I know basically nothing about modern BVR combat but I know enough to know that AWACS support is the key to all of it, you don't happen to be related to the Jeet air force officers who got their fancy French fighter jets shot down by cheap chink export planes do you?

>>516610784
if the trident missiles are failing after launch that's not on the uk. that's lockheed not fulfilling its contract and it's on them to see it corrected or otherwise reimbursed for breach of contract.

>>516601868
>video game opinion
I bet you can't name 5 aircraft roles.

>>516606169
>You'd have to tune your rader to show a cross section of 0.005m2 or in other words bugs! You're never detecting an F35 over 100
Sir, we reading a fly at 20k m going at1000kmh
Ignore it. It's a bug

>>516611406
>being from WhatsApp means it's untrue.
kek
>Also called an inspection lmao
Oh yeah, sub 50% readiness rates are very standard, kek.
>and they'll make new ones lmao
With their chineseium alloys?
>4 year air superiority special military operation!
Didn't Ukraine have like 50 planes at the start of the war? If Russia didn't destroy them, where are they?

>>516611576
and it'll still work because russian niggers are retarded

>>516611677
The rare material is Antimony, mutts have been going crazy to get some all over the world, only China can provide. Not only the F35 but also submarines and missiles use them. Mutts are cooked.

>>516611551
IIRC the other "failure" was actually some weapons officer fat-fingering the coordinates and accidentally sending the missile towards the US mainland so they had to self-destruct it, the actual missile worked fine.

>>516611441
>I know basically nothing about modern BVR combat
This was extremely obvious.
>but I know enough to know that AWACS support is the key to all of it
You mean those AWACS that are giant, lumbering, non-stealth targets? The same AWACS Russia designed the R-37 to destroy? Good luck.

>>516611677
>its real really real
>ok its from the whatsapp group "slavlovers"
>sub 50% readiness rates
still equals to more planes russia has in it's entire inventory lmao
>with their chinesium
Where does Russia field its alloys? yea lmao
>didn't ukraine have planes
still do i watch daily videos of them dropping AASM hammers on slavnigger positions its glorious.

>>516601589 (OP)
gigantic radar, cargo and engines to carry big and fast misiles to intercept or hit stationary targets, it's good but not amazing, what could be the NATO counterpart? the f-15?

>>516611816
In war time with Russia all Nato awacs would be targeted in priority.

MiG-31 and 25 are cool as fuck. Arguing effectiveness is gay, simply appreciate insane speed super interceptor

>>516611679
And yet you can't defeat us in Ukraine.

>>516610922
The CF-18's are old as all fuck and should have been replaced LONG ago lol

>>516612034
>you
You know we just use the russian frozen money profits to buy ukraine weapons to kill you with right? We don't do anything except fund Ukraine with your money to kill you lmao

>>516611916
>still equals to more planes russia has in it's entire inventory lmao
Uh, no it doesn't, lmao
>Where does Russia field its alloys? yea lmao
They get them from their close ally China. Is that supposed to be a gotcha? Lmao. Where you gonna get those alloys when China bans exporting them?
>still do i watch daily videos of them dropping AASM hammers on slavnigger positions its glorious.
Kek, the fucking delusion, Ukrainian planes can't even approach the front, they just have to sit away from it lobbing glide bombs and even that stopped being useful after GPS jamming started.

>>516601589 (OP)
It's 50 years old and can barely compete against similarly aged aircraft.

>>516610827
https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/517753
2025 su-35s shot down by patriot missiles so i think they still have em
also su-25 recently shot down by might be friendly fire or it just fell apart

>>516611816
And decent modern AWACS can detect aircraft from 100+ miles beyond the R-37's effective operational range you retard, and in a wartime scenario they're not just going to be hanging around without the kind of protection that can engage threats before they get into effective range.

>>516612148
Sure. F-35 is good on paper though, yeah?

>>516612195
>uhh no it doesn't and i'm too dumb to find out if thats true
>hur dur china alloy is chinesium crap! Also Russia fields the best chinese alloys!
>ukraine doesn't have planes except those lobbing glide bombs!
well done on contradicting yourself twice retarded dumb slav nigger.
>>516612294
As good as the special military operation on paper. 2 more weeks.

>>516612269
>And decent modern AWACS can detect aircraft from 100+ miles beyond the R-37's effective operational range you retard
Ok, so let's say you put one in an Su-57 and fly at your AWACS. Now if we believe your cope earlier, the 57 can fly right up to it and blow it up. More realistically though, it couldn't., just like an F-35 can't sneak up on a Mig-31. How close do you think the 57 has to be to be spotted, 100km? 200km? Well, guess what, that's still within range of an R-37.

>>516611916
>still do i watch daily videos of them dropping AASM hammers on slavnigger positions its glorious.
Biased much? The Frogs make 1,200 Hammer bombs per year while the Slavniggers make 70,000 of their Fab glide bombs.

>>516612404
SMO is not on paper as all your sanctions, weapons and money you cough up endlessly. While F-35 is still on paper and in your posts.

>>516612404
>implying I said Chinese alloys are shoddy.
No, it's just funny when you're wunderwaffe needs Chinese metals that won't be available when you fight Russia.
>>ukraine doesn't have planes except those lobbing glide bombs!
No, they don't, which is why the only kills Ukraine might've scored in the last two years are from S-300s and patriot missiles.

Be honest, was it you guys that posted about the ghost of kiev in the ace combat ost youtube comment section?

>>516612464
>biased much
yes i hate russians well done on figuring that out on my 26th post of me shitting on russia. Holy fuck you're dumb.
>70,000 fabs
>still cant win
>4 years later
>>516612569
>While F-35 is still on paper and in your posts.
Sanctions on Russia must be affecting your internet speed because there are over 1200 F35's currently produced retard.
>>516612604
>implying china wouldn't carve the shit country apart when we shit on your army
>ukraine doesn't have planes, except those planes, but also not those planes
Talk to your local FSB agent for updates on how to propaganda correctly retard.

>>516603427
>Less agile
dude I want whatever you're smoking. your own specs show a 5g loading vs 9g loading.
also if you ever made the mistake of flying one in ace combat 5, you know it's basically a flying train with missiles.

>>516610268
You're either crazy Baltiod or a suicidal bong

>>516612803
>bong shill's argument devolves into nonsensical kvetching
Lmao. When are you gonna join Keir Starmer's coalition of the willing?
>1200 F35's currently produced retard
But less than 50% are operational so that's max 600 functional aircraft. Russia has plenty of SAMs for all of them.

>>516612803
Why should I care about how many the USA produces them, you fear to use them against MIG anyway. Only inside your head and shitposts.

Holy shit man, F-35 isn't even British yet you defend it your own. You fucked your empire up and expect others to be as cucked as you.

>>516613171
Bongs are the original shabbos goyim, it's in their nature.

>>516613148
>devolves into nonsensical kvetching
>brings up keir starmer to cope with his inability to bring facts to the table
sounds like more cope to me
>we have lots of sam systems
>no i dont know why Ukraine is able to destroy all our oil facilities
You should've just closed your browser and hour ago lmao
>>516613171
Use your migs against them, better yet use your nukes against us since your tv people love saying it so much
>omg your country is cucked
you're stuck in a war where even if you win you lose and if you lose you collapse lmao if i were you i'd start hoarding bread of hauling ass to a different country.

>>516613413
>Use your migs against them
We just flew over your house in Estonia, nothing personal and according to the international airspace law. Keep calm.

>>516613608
>we managed to fly
well done

>>516603554
Where did you get this info? The R-37 range is 200 km at best and it's designed to hit AWACS or Tankers. The Zaslon radar can detect targets of that size at 200 km but for Gen4 fighters it's only 40 km and stealth fighters like the F-35 it can't see until visual range. The problem with missile tech is that missiles require a radar lock which is very difficult to maintain beyond 40 km. As soon as the RWR goes off the defending pilot will maneuver the plane to either beam the missile (and using counter measures like chaff and flares and jammers) and at this point the MiG-31 will likely lose contact. So the practical effective range for any missile is the so-called no-escape zone, which is usually only like 20 km. The R-37 is more like a "suggestion" to turn around. The US made AIM-54 Phoenix missile had a similar range and was carried by the F-14. The missile was used to extend the defensive perimeter of the carrier fleet.

Have the MiG-31s actually shot down something at 200 km do you know?

>>516601589 (OP)
Aren't these fuckers huge? Like not much smaller than a CRJ200 kek

>>516613672
I guess, your superiors are upset not about our flying but about the flying over your house in Estonia. Could just shoot us down with your monster jets?

>>516608536
One of these things is going to plummet from the sky within the next few years into a major population center. Not gonna be a good look.

>>516613413
>no u
>whatabout le oil
>I'm totally not a shill btw
*Yawn*

>>516613903
>>516613672
I like watching you guys go back and forth. Carry on.

>>516606631
>The new MiG-43 will be its replacement soon.
'soon'
Russia cant even build new tanks

>>516606271
The f-35 perfectly clean loses to fully loaded f-16s with drop tanks in sustained turn performance, and has far worse climb and turn performance. Iran shot down 3-5 about a year ago when Israel tried to bomb them with it.

It's a trillion dollar lead weight made by lockheeb

>>516613968
Would be hilarious if it crashed in the CN Tower or some other bullshit in torcongo

>>516613903
>we flew over estonia why aren't you more mad
I don't care sounds like putins shitting and pissing his pants since he can't do that in Ukraine so has to do it elsewhere to make him feel not like a manlet.
>>516613972
>doesn't want to get caught up in specifics
>ur a shill btw
hows the gas crisis going in russia? It's been mad fun watching slavniggers que for 14 hours just to fill their cars up.

russia could destroy the United States just using these

>>516601589 (OP)
Migs get mogged

>>516614012
They can build new tanks, just nowhere near fast enough to keep up with loss rates.

>>516614057
I think of the Locksneed F-35 as like a Corolla of the skies. Jobs program for Americans, revenue generator for allies. A program over-engineered and stuffed with graft.

>>516613780
>The R-37 range is 200 km at best
No, I'm talking about the R-37M which is a Mach 5, 300-350km range missile.
>for Gen4 fighters it's only 40 km and stealth fighters like the F-35 it can't see until visual range
>40km detection range on non-stealthy aircraft
(x) doubt, unless you're talking about the missile's radar which is not I was referring to.
>As soon as the RWR goes off the defending pilot will maneuver the plane to either beam the missile (and using counter measures like chaff and flares and jammers) and at this point the MiG-31 will likely lose contact.
Yes, that's why they fly in pairs and use datalinks.
>he US made AIM-54 Phoenix missile had a similar range
The AIM-54 is a much less capable missile than the R-37M, the older R-33 is a better comparison.
>Have the MiG-31s actually shot down something at 200 km do you know?
Yes, a number of Ukrainian planes were reported hit far behind the frontlines by MiG-31s.

>>516614159
You keep bragging here about your NATO superiority and yet you didn't shoot our MIGs flying around in your neck of the woods. Makes me wonder why. We are bad guys in your news anyway.

>>516614159
>doesn't want to get caught up in specifics
>accuses me of bringing up SAMs then brings up oil refineries getting hit with fpv drones as a gotcha
I'm falling to see how this proves you're not a shill. The lazy uhg putin memes don't help your case very much.

>>516601589 (OP)
>Several U2's shot down
>SR71 never flew over the soviet union because it could be intercepted by Mig-31

uhh very.

>>516601589 (OP)
nigger, please
developed in 1975
50 years old, if you can do the math
vietnam was just ending

>>516614466
>doesn't understand the correlation between saying "we have 600000 SAMS" but also can't defend strategic energy infrastructure
i guess you're just retarded?
>YOU'RE A SHILL FROM UGH!
better a shill from ugh than a brownoid from /chug/ pic rel
>>516614443
i was comparing the F35 to the mig and how russia is generally a piece of shit country nothing really about NATO but i know russians have a hard on for nato so i'll let you have it.

>>516614214
Russia already replenished their losses in both planes and tanks. You inbred faggot.
>>516614012
>Russia weak
Then go fight in Ukraine you nigger lover mutt.

>>516614769
>we replenished all of our tank losses
>dont look at the satellite imagery of where we store tanks
>NO DONT LOOK
cope lmao

>>516614644
>doesn't understand the correlation between saying "we have 600000 SAMS" but also can't defend strategic energy infrastructure
Gee, why wouldn't the russians use an S-400 to shoot down $100 consumer drones? I'm stumped.
>better a shill from ugh than a brownoid from /chug/ pic rel
Lmao, you kike loving glowniggers are so fucking easy to spot. You didn't even have to spout it out.

>>516614644
Even in your cherry-picked scrapbook /chug/ looks pretty based. /uhg/ is a sad sorry-ass death cult.

>>516614572
The Patriot system was developed in 1969, and is still in use today. There is something called “modernization” you dumb mutt.

>>516614979
>/chug/ club member doesn't like jews
hmmm i wonder why a brown person doesn't like jews right now, oh yea because his 9 cousins in gaza are getting BTFO'd
>we dont waste our easily produced 60000 sams defending strategic infrastructure
>even though there are videos of us doing it before
not making very good arguments, you'll be sent to the front for this lack of heart for the motherland.
>>516614980
>death cult
yea theres lots of death in /ugh/ mostly russians dying which i fucking LOVE.

>>516614941
>satellite images
Those were tanks from the USSR left there on the open to be remodernized in the future, guess what? They are been modernized today at an extremely high rate. Please look at the satellite images, there are fewer and fewer tanks in the tank open air parkings all through Russia.

>>516614010
hope you're still enjoying the show

>>516615264
>we replenished all tank stocks
>except those tanks in the tank yards
>we used those as spare parts
>they're all gone now
>where are you getting spare parts from now?
>....
try again slavnigger.

>>516614979
>is this nigger serious?

>>516615225
>mostly russians dying which i fucking LOVE
talking about hard-ons

>>516615494
Fully erect.

>>516615387
Not spare parts, but full tanks for future modernization. The Soviets and the Russians do not throw out or scrap military equipment, they keep all old missiles, planes, tanks, equipment, they store everything. Unlike mutts or homosexual nato. Those are today remodernized and sent to the battlefield, as fully refurbished tanks at 2025 standards ready to smoke hohols and homosexual nafos.
Parts are stored else where and not on an open air parking you dumb glowie. I want to talk to your supervisor you suck at this. You can’t even convince a Moroccan. You dont deserve your paystub.

>>516615543
Why such strong feelings? I personally don't give a shit about bongs who went were there and were killed. For example.

>>516615731
>moroccan
muslim
>parts are stored elsewhere
in your super secret underground bunkers where your new wunderwaffen tanks are hiding out i bet
>>516615808
You're the retarded niggers who invaded for no other reason than putin wanting to do something meaningful nows hes old as fuck. He's no better than religious boomer fucks. Should've stayed in your fucking country, milked your land of oil and carried on.

>>516606432
>>516608627
>>516603105

Built for BBC

>>516615945
Ah, I got it. You're some kind of leftist activist type with a saviour complex. Yeah, we invaded because we can. So did bongland many times, it doesn't cause any feelings in me for seeking dead bongs in the news for full erection, I'd rather enjoy alive MILFs for that.

>>516616332
Well you can keep looking at old women and i'll keep watching dying russians.

>>516615225
>generic jidf insult #101, check
>gore posting, check
>non-sensical argument about not using strategic, theatre-level air defense for shooting down fpv drones, check
Oh yeah, it's shill time.

>>516614335
My sources say there hasn't been any hard kills from 200 km and most of the actual hard kills were from a much closer distance against Ukrainian Soviet era MiGs and Sukhois firing the old R-27 missile. The R-27 is a semi-active missile with much shorter distance so they couldn't fly against the MiG-31 which was using the R-37 and R-77 (Amraamski) but this changed significantly with the F-16 that is able to launch the AIM-120 AMRAAM. I think they're currently talking about a radar upgrade which would make the F-16 even more modern and it could possibly take on the MiG-31 in many scenarios. Datalink to A-50 is helpful though, but I highly doubt their true range against aircraft is much more than 250 km either. Instead of hard kills the R-37 just makes the Ukrainian planes abandon their mission. After the missile has been launched, they have to beam the missile or turn back. Even the modernized version of the R-37 has a maximum range (according to Russia) of 300 km but this means it has to be launced from service ceiling and the radar lock must be maintained until the no-escape zone. The hit probability from that altitude and distance is very poor, but, a launced R-37 forces the Ukrainian planes to abandon mission, so there's that.

>>516616549
>keeps calling me a shill
>can't retort anything i've produced
you're boring go back to your maga safe space where you don't have to debate anyone on anything

>>516616403
Well, if it makes you feel better for your Ukrainian pet, to watch some Russian gopniks dying, go ahead, I'm not judging.

>>516616924
Thanks for your acceptance on my need to watch russians dying for nothing, makes me feel better inside.

>>516615731
People were mocking 60 year old tanks on the battlefield. Meanwhile it shows the skill and hardwork of the mechanics for decades

>>516616561
>My sources say there hasn't been any hard kills from 200 km
Pretty sure it was a Ukrainian source.
>but this changed significantly with the F-16 that is able to launch the AIM-120 AMRAAM
The D variant is the one that is actually threatening; the Ukrainian F-16s only have the much older B or C, though.
>Datalink to A-50 is helpful though
Not to A-50, though they probably can. Two Mig-31s can share radar and other information to one another, this lets them maneuver and still guide missiles.
>from service ceiling
Which is where Mig-31s tend fly, far as I know.

>>516617008
You're welcome. That is so badass and naughty to enjoy watching dead Russians!

>>516616909
>can't retort anything i've produced
I'vebtfo'd literally everything you've said about the Mig-31. You're the one coping that striking refineries with shitty drones is going to do anything. Russia unloads 10x that much ordinance on Ukraine's energy infrastructure each month.
>random trump derangement syndrome comment
Huh? Are you okay? Can you just keep a consistent narrative? Are you anti-palestine, anti-trump, or anti-Russia? If you claim you're all three, literally every single person on this board will call you a glownigger.

>>516617203
>Pretty sure it was a Ukrainian source.
Do you have a source that says the distance where the missile was launced from? The military usually don't reveal things of that nature due to military secrets etc.

>>516617402
>thinks im gonna circle back on his inability to understand cross sections
>thinks im gonna circle back on russias inability to defend its airspace
I'm all three and i couldn't care if you call me a glownigger, trumps a nigger, palestine should've voted for people who wouldn't take it to a war with israel because they'd get btfo'd and Russia are niggers for thinking they can bully everyone around them. Don't like it? Suck my cock.

>>516617174
Back in the days, engineers were calling the shots, to make solid equipment that would last for many decades. Today it’s the finance department that commands the engineers to make equipment that fails after a certain time.
Things of the past were built with the spirit of solidity and not profit making. For the West. Russia haven’t changed when it comes to its military. The finance department have no say since it’s all state owned and private entreprises dont make obscene profits like Lockheed or airbus.

>>516617680
You are a glowie, and a bad one. You dont deserve your pay. I hope your supervisor is notified.

>>516617912
No one else is in the thread mate don't know who you're trying to convince lmao

>>516617571
>Do you have a source that says the distance where the missile was launced from?
Well it was a ukranian pilot I'm pretty sure. If I recall, he basically said they were losing planes inside Ukraine, behind the front line. It seemed he didn't mean SAMs so the R-37M is the only thing that could've done it. I mean, it could've been Su-57s since they also carry that missile, but it kind of has to be one or the other.

>>516617680
>thinks im gonna circle back on his inability to understand cross sections
You clearly don't if you think RCS size stays constant with range.
>thinks im gonna circle back on russias inability to defend its airspace
They seem to be defending it so well, they're defending your airspace as well.
>I'm all three and i couldn't care if you call me a glownigger
Holy shit, kill yourself glownigger. Go die for Israel.

>>516615731
Will you shut up already you commie cock gobbler?

>>516618136
But it didn't say distance?

>>516618302
>literally admits to everyone he's a glownigger
>posts more lazy memes straight from Eglin
You can't make this shit up. I'm capping that post by the way, and I will post it every time I see you from now on.

>>516608824
>planes can't take off when they're already in the air
Yeah. Makes sense.

>>516618408
It might've but it was basically just the account of a Ukrainian pilot. Here, I think this guy goes over it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y8KXMq9tqg

>>516618509
>thinks i care
cute im going to bed

>>516618366
Make me nigger.
Why as soon as someone defends Russia is automatically “russian bot” for you glowie niggers ? Can’t you realize the WORLD STANDS WITH RUSSIA.
Z slava Novorussyia, from Casablanca much love to my Russian bros.
In case of WW3 I would fly to Russia to be fight in their ranks, I hope these comments would be enough to hire me as drone operator. Kek.

>>516618583
what about mothership aircraft

>>516618302
lmao

>>516618764
Blyat...DDD

>>516617008
WOAH... This guy is a real BAD ASS!!!!!

(I Imagine all people who say things like this are ugly)

>>516618366
The ukraine you are shilling for was just as communist

>>516602602
Starscream is my least favorite decepticon

Non meme answer, its decent because long range missiles are whats best right now, as seen by the latest air to air fight of pakistan vs india where the "fight" was 120km away and they just launched missiles and ran away. The J-10 won because their PL-12 missiles (amraam copy) were longer ranged than the rafale's MICA

Of course the latest amerimutt invention, an SM-6 strapped to an F-18, is now the king of long range, so you can make the argument that a squadron of hornets will bodyslam the miggers

>>516619526
I loved the Chinese dramatization of the incident. It's basically them taking a potshot and killing a retard.

>>516618764
>Can’t you realize the WORLD STANDS WITH RUSSIA.
>Z slava Novorussyia, from Casablanca much love to my Russian bros.
>In case of WW3 I would fly to Russia to be fight in their ranks
I can't think of anything that screams Russian bot more than what you just said. But obviously you love Russia, you're a global south BRICS nigger. Actually you're worse than BRICS. You're subordinate like a 4th world country.

>>516601589 (OP)
The same way RF air force is effective in Ukraine.
Effectiveness goes around 0

>>516619993
I would love to be a BRICS member, fml. You mutts need to collapse faster.

>>516620116
Yes I know. You are a resentful browntard and BRICS is the resentful browntard safe space.

>>516619760
Chinese satellites and chinese target acquisition systems (radars and other components), and chinese missiles are far superior to anything you produce.
I was watching a video about Chinese artillery the other day, did you know they had an artillery system that use rockets and have a range of 600 kms ?! The further you can do is 120 kms with specialized munitions. Chinese do 600 fucking kms with a 720 mm rocket. You mutts are cooked. China is already numba one.

>>516620344
Holy shit bro. Alright well I'll look out for those then

>>516614769
>Russia already replenished their losses in both planes and tanks
LOL
Not even close.
They can not build the strategic supersonic bombers they lost with the ukr drone trucks attacks across RF ,let alone all the bombers and fighters they lost during missions in Ukraine.
Those strategic.bombers tu 22 , tu 20 , tu 95 were all.built in USSR. They can not produce them anymore.

>>516615264
>there are fewer and fewer tanks in the tank open air parkings all through Russia.
CoZ they had all been destroyed in Ukraine

>>516619993
A few billion people in China and India need thier fuel and fertalizer. Thier media doesnt spread ghost of kiev fairytails. Also nato has been kicked out of 7 countries in Africa.

>>516601589 (OP)

it's like throwing a rock at a speeding train. Ziggers are about to get their shit packed in nice and tight if they fuck around much longer.

>>516614980
Chug is a piece of shit with all their off topic posts of cats , anime and tranny shit.
Uhg is spot on

>>516620563
>Horry Shit Bro!
This board is fully compromised by yellow wumao faggots now confirmed, and also explains why it's so shit these days

>>516619526
Pakistan used PL15 not PL12. They had received the Chinese version prior which have 300 kms range instead of the export version with 150 kms.
But that’s not how Pakistan won. First the Hindus were arrogant, flying high on the Kashmir region, and their AWAC was too weak, struggled in the mountain terrain of Kashmir. The Pakistanis knew about the weakness of the Indian AWAC. The Pakistanis had an advanced Swedish AWAC that had no issue with the mountainous terrain of Kashmir. The Pakistani fighters flew low with their radar off, invisible to Indian AWAC, they conducted a complex ambush, in some instance of the Pakistani fighter shown itself to the indians which forced them to turn on their radars to be shot by other J10’s positioned in ambush then blew the Rafales. In another instance the Pakistani AWAC provided the target acquisition to the Pakistani fighter jets, which then loaded them on the PL15, launched the missile then the information was datalinked to the missile through the pakistani AWAC in real time, which hit the arrogant hindus bullseye.
Pakistani fighters are very well trained, they work with theoretically inferior equipment but end up proving the theory wrong with superior tactics. Swedish AWACS are also top notch.

>>516615225
Good example of the Russian meat wave in action.

>>516620563
They can hit Taiwan with those long range Arty. It’s called PHL-191.

>>516620746
Hohols only destroyed a limited number of those bombers. The rest is salvageable.
I think 4 were unsalvageable.

>>516621130
Hahahahahahahaha look at this inbred mohammadan faggot. Your cousin fucking Paki brethren won that war? Is that really what you believe you inbred mohammadan camel fucker? Bro wants his bacha bazi delivery in full for his service lol

>>516620878
No you dont understand. Those parked tanks were in large numbers before the war and are getting lower now since the are being refurbished and sent to Ukraine

>>516621378
I think that drone footage of bombers hit was AI. it was released too soon

>>516621378
Still. They can not produce new ones,like tu95. Even tu22

I think it was 1/3 of the Russian strategic nuclear carrying.bombers

>>516621402
Seethe you jewish slave seethe. Your president is a pedo blackmailed by jews, what you gonna do about it ? Nothing cause you are a jewish slave nothing more.

>>516621448
Y. They only mount thermal sights on some of them and they all get destroyed in Ukraine.
They lost so many. That they no longer use tanka for assaults but as a mobile guns like an artillery but with range yo to 4 miles of shooting.

>>516621607
They are making today brand new TU-160 they can easily fix some Tu-22’s and Tu-95’s.
1/3 was parked but not all destroyed. Contrary to their propaganda.
>>516621571
Highly doubt the attack was real, and the tactic was executed by israel not Ukraine. The proof is later they used the same tactic against Iran.

>>516621607
It was 42
It was 21
It was 13
Last I heard ukraine claimed 8 bombers destroyed
Russia said 1 was totaled.
Truth is in the middle

>>516621839
Tanks today are not needed as much as before. There are still essential, but they dont use them as much because they are vulnerable to drone attacks. But they still use them in all the front. Turtle tanks can now withstand a large number of suicide drone attacks. The latest turtle tank walks at 5 mph but can take more than 60 suicide drone attack and survive.
>they lost so many
They had a ridiculous amount to begin with. So many fo us is close to nothing for Russian inventory.

>>516618609
Ok it says the maximum range of the R-37M against a maneuvering target is 150 km. The rocket engine can theoretically take it up to 400 km but this is not a realistic distance against moving targets. Even the 150 km max range sounds very optimistic, from that range the hit probability is so poor that if they indeed launch the missile from 150 km they do it to force Ukrainian drivers to turn around. Cool plane though. Ukraine also had the MiG-25 but they retired all of them since independence. I bet they regret it now.

>>516622013
You have no idea how many fighter jets Russia lost in the beginning of 2022 invasion.
So many that they could.not even enter ukr air space. The retarded isiora dis not even had gliding bombs. A weapon available to the NATO since 80s.
Here 's Russian captured pilot of a shot down su–34.
That idiotic supersonic high altitude bomber turned out to be the most useless plane .
They had to.resolve back to the old soviet su-25 frontline bomber .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFB6iFnR4MU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFB6iFnR4MU

>>516621703
Jewish slave? Your entire religion is ripped off from the kikes, except your prophet was retarded and encouraged all types of degenerate and demonic kike behavior, because you're semites at the end of the day

Russia cannot even handle a minor proxy war next door. The only thing keeping Russia from being conquered is because NATO doesn't want it.

>>516622726
Why doesn't HATO want it? Do they support the destruction of piggerland?

>>516622479
Ukraine couldn't maintain their mig25s because they had enormous mx profiles and no way to source the parts and too expensive anyways.

>>516622507
Su-25’s are the tanks of the skies. Russians use them as literal tanks to hit enemy units in the front line. They have a totally different mission than the SU-34 which are usually bombers used to target high value targets. Saying the Russians had no more Su-34 and had to resort to Su-25 is the dumbest comment of all this thread, you clearly dont know shit about planes or what’s their use for.
Today the SU-34’s are CONTINUOUSLY bombing Ukraine’s frontline with FAB’s of all calibers, successfully blowing up Ukrainian infrastructure, so much that hohols decided to move their military manufacturing plants OUTSIDE of Ukraine in the EU territory. That’s because the SU-34 is well and accurate, the FAB’s are raining so much the hohols gave up on producing in Ukraine.
You dumb meme flag nigger.

>>516622661
Dude an american jew said on american tv :
>you already worship one jew, why dont you just worship all jews, it’s the same thing !
Gullible goyim keep on chugging that jewish cum.

>>516622507
>You have no idea how many fighter jets Russia lost in the beginning of 2022
Yez the ghost of kiev was shooting them out of the air left and right, I saw it on CNN
37 cuntformed kills

>>516622906
I know this sounds unbelievable but NATO is a defensive union defined in the articles. The paper says IF a member state is ATTACKED, then article 5 etc. It doesn't say anything about invading other sovereign states. So really the only reason why Russia would seethe and kvetch about NATO is because it prevents their imperialism, their lust for the old empire and then some.

>>516624253
>t doesn't say anything about invading other sovereign states
What’s Georgia ? What’s Libya ? What’s Yugoslavia ?
Defensive organization my ass you dumb cunt.

>>516614057
>The f-35 perfectly clean loses to fully loaded f-16s with drop tanks in sustained turn performance, and has far worse climb and turn performance.
dubious claim
one would think the F35 designers would have thought of that while still on the CAD phase

>>516625155
F35 was made by scammers. I can believe the F16 smocking a F35, even a F15 or even an F14 for God sacks would smoke the F35. Unconfirmed rumors say that Iran did that, shot down a F35 with a an Iranian F14.

>>516624431
Show me where in the articles it says anything about invasions. You're probably mistaking it with NATO led missions which are a different thing all together and always voluntary. NATO led missions are basically the same as UN led missions, except only NATO countries are allowed to participate. The articles themselves do not mandate any invasions.

>>516625386
>Unconfirmed rumors say that Iran did that, shot down a F35 with a an Iranian F14.

>>516625717
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya

And just so you know, using PROXIES and supporting them still count an invasion even though your media lie and paint it as “military operation” or “bombing” or “democracy spreading”.
Nato is cancer. Spreading faster than your sister’s pussy.

>>516625717
Just fuck off already
The UN voted for NATO "peacekeepers" in Libya and they dropped 30,000 bombs

>>516601589 (OP)
It's pretty overpowered in WARNO, desu
>WARNO takes place in 1989

>>516601589 (OP)
planes are just OTH-WS delivery platforms now

>>516614443
Nato knows you arent a real military threat.

>>516602602
i prefer the mig-13 "Cumbox"

>>516601589 (OP)
A 20 years late answer to a 1960s spybird that was already absolete due to satellites.

It had a very, very short window, like 2.5 years from it's official introduction, where it could have been effective but they still never effectively chased off SR-71s. Not once.
Because the time it takes to loft a mig31 up to 70k feet and accel to mach 2.8 to make a shootdown intercept is insane, the sr71 has already flown 500+ miles by then.

>>516614057
>Iran shot down 3-5 about a year ago
No they didn't you delusional faggot. There were a lot of shitty fake AI posts on /pol/ though.

>>516625386
Oh shut up you shill. The Finnish Air Force is one of the oldest in the world and they chose the F-35 over Eurofighter, Super Hornet, Rafale and Gripen. They say the F-35 is lightyears ahead of everything else in the competition. It doesn't have a HUD, the HMD displays all information previously seen on the HUD, but with the F-35 sensors suite it can literally "see" underneath or through the plane. It has one widescreen touchscreen that displays the usual info about engines and failures. The HOTAS is similar to F-16 so both hands to the sides. It has a superior datalink system and can fly with unmanned drones, with software updates it can even fly with the latest RPAs, up to 20 of them. Some of them can even operate as decoys and take a missile hit if needed. All AI controlled if needed.
The most important feature is that it's a stealth aircraft which wasn't show on the upgraded F-18 Hornet radars, so no chance it will show on the radars of Russian planes either, which means they can't lock missiles onto it.

>>516626943
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/f-35-expensive-still-broken/

Your military are bunch of crooked liars. They all got paid huge commissions.

>>516626415
Until we get tied up with China and cannot provide the NATO support to a european theater they think we can.
The russia ork waves are a threat, you do not under estimate the enemy.

>>516627114
>American being a total fucking pussy
Yeah

>>516626022
>>516626072
I asked you to show the NATO articles where it states that NATO member must join an invasion somewhere. Now you're moving goalposts saying shit about NATO or UN led missions. As far as I know only UK and US bombed Libya and the media depicted it as a "NATO" operation, which is a lie and Russian/Chinese propaganda.

>>516627106
Lmao what a retarded shill. Completely ignores my effortpost. Fuck off and KYS.

>>516627159
ranjeet you should go sign up for the ukrainian foreign legion

>>516601589 (OP)
There's a reason China copied the F-35 design and not a shitty Russian design

>>516627511
Rather join Azov, desu

>>516601589 (OP)
Still not as fast as the
mig25 foxbat

>>516627547
They copied it? What's the model designation?

>>516603467
Who is "We" Faggot?

>>516628723
Why did you sage a thread with 300 replies?

>>516614159
>2025
>tranny still pretending Russia is losing in Ukraine
Hahahahahahahahahaha

>>516618614
>44 posts so far by this faggot
>didn't convince a single person
>runs away after getting btfoed non stop
Hahahahahahaha

>>516601589 (OP)
Nigger