Thread 516605247

I'm an amerifat visiting italy for the first time. And I'm shocked to learn this country has one of the lowest birth rates in europe because:

>outgoing social culture
These cities are so tight they have to be friends or it would be chaos. This countryside is fantastic too.
>absolutely gorgeous women, lots of handsome men.
Seriously, Italian women such adorable skinny things with perfect little butts and bosoms. They're so cute. Lots of good-looking men too, but I saw totally mid dudes holding hands with lovely ladies.
>catholic culture
I'd figure the no birth control thing would bleed into the secular world here considering how pervasive the church is. But i guess not?
>high homeownership rate

Seriously what's stopping you guys? Get off /pol/ and make lots of little wop babies RIGHT NOW.

After marriage of course

Certification & designation: BGC.

reproduction eh too spicy eh meatball

>>516605361

Certification & designation: Based.

women working
the birth prevention
smart phones and social media

Every population crisis is due to two things:
>women's rights
>jews

No idea, I was in Rimini this year and I would just look and and wave with my head at Italian qts on the boardwalk near the sand strip and I would get Ciaod at.

By far the best women and even men in Europe imho.

>>516605588
>smart phones and social media
This is an amerishart problem.

>>516605247 (OP)
im italianamerican and have been to italy many times. idk how the fertility rate is so low. italians are so horny and outgoing

>>516605247 (OP)
feminism is everywhere the same anon

>>516605247 (OP)

Because Enzo, you aren't dropping loads into your women. Go outside, and talk to them.

>>516605810
>im italianamerican
nigger

>>516605878
seethe jeet

>>516605247 (OP)
they worship african niggers and mudslimes

>>516605869
>Be Amerimutt
>See post by fellow Amerimutt
>Don't even bother to read the very first fucking line of his post

>>516605869
I'm American. I'm wondering this upon visiting the country.

Same as all euro. Cost of living means only low iq bring kids as it raises their living standards due to child benefits and lowers mid class due to cost of making sure your kids have a nice life. Also being surrounded by pedo rapist niggers and browns is also off putting to many and modern women being whores who love eating ass etc.

>>516605780
lol
how long have you been locked in your room and not been in a public place?

>>516605361
There he is!

My man

Industrialization reduces birthrates

Economy lags

Corporations beg government to bring in browns to do shit jobs

Government agrees and the economy chugs along.

>>516605247 (OP)
just the fact you mention 'it*ly', which means nothing, instead the precise place where you are means that you have no idea of what you are talking about.
Let me guess anyway: Tuscany ?

>>516606185
Have seen lots of browns. Mostly subcontinentals and africans.
ZERO interracial couples though.

>516606262
Ignore this gay retard.

btw all italians look the fucking same north to south. Maybe they see the difference but us foreigners do not.

>>516606108
I live in a sports and nature obsessed municiaplity, people are outsise playing sports and cards.

>>516606516
why don't you hang yourself with that aborted mexican flag, Calogero ? It's high time you do it.

>>516606262
Clusterjew still jewin' after all these years

>>516606516
>btw all 'it*lians' look the fucking same north to south
All Siculo-neapolitans look the same in all the place they've migrated to. No surprises here.

>>516606737
jews created this dysgenic dystopic iteration of 'it*ly' in 1859 and are the staunchest defenders of it to these days:
https://www.mosaico-cem.it/cultura-e-societa/personaggi-e-storie/ebrei-risorgimento-150-anni-unita-ditalia/

>>516605247 (OP)
The problem is every female will use the excuse that their too full to have sex over there. They stuff their face with pasta instead of cock

>>516605247 (OP)
Wop women are some of the biggest whores in yurop next to french and ukro ones

>>516607123
Davvero certo
Hai una moglie? O figli?

>>516605247 (OP)
They graduate college late and live with their parents until 30. The job market is shit and the dynamic cities like Milan are way too expensive, even professionals can't afford small apartments there

>>516605708
I think I am too ugly for them lol

I smiled at one today and she gave me this face

capitalism and contraception creates an environment where people do not reproduce.
Capitalism refuses to allow people to live with a degree of security. It keeps people on the edge in an environment where they would not choose to have children..... and contraception allows them to not have children.
in the olden days people had children despite how bad their material conditions were. They just wanted to fuck!

>>516605247 (OP)
Don't get upsetti, have a some spaghetti

>>516607948
I understand that people need to plan for the future and all. And that low IQ people only act on impulse.
But people sometimes need to just have a bit of fun. I've lately realized myself that i've missed so many opportunities by being a serial worrier.

Also I have a national job idea for italy. This country is beautiful but it needs a damn paint job. Shit is peeling and there's lots of graffiti. Pay dozens of italians to re-paint and scrub every city till it's squeaky-clean and I guarantee it would raise the gdp tenfold.

>>516608856
>dozens
I meant millions

>>516605361
Based.

The same reason everywhere else isn't having children, they're a terrible financial decision. Which is not to say that the average western couple can't afford kids, they absolutely could if it was their number one goal. But there are a million other things to spend your money on now and kids will never "pay off" like they would back in the days when they could work on the family farm when they're 8 years old or in a factory back when Europe had factories as well no child labour laws.
>but the culture is so communal and outgoing!
So 30 year olds got to lots of parties, so what, why would this translate into them making babies?

>>516605247 (OP)
As usual, the beutiful women you saw want a career, and "they cant have children yet". 60% is on the pill. I was smart/lucky enough to choose one of the good ones ans have 2 children but it's not the norm.

>>516605247 (OP)
For me it's over
I never had a chance
I'm eastern euro immigrant
I'll die a virgin in this country
Going back to my country is not a option since I would feel a foreigner there as well by now
I'm just a victim of circumstances I suppose
It is what it is, at least I have my gaming pc that run local AI to cope
It's over for me

>>516605247 (OP)

I'll tell you why:
they are extremely promiscuous, they wanna have fun, not settle down. they are left leaning (They despise the idea of a nuclear family) and most of them are hardened feminists
>catholic culture
literally nobody practices in Italy. I lived in the US for a while, and most of the people there (from the retail worker, to the mailman, to the doctor and lawyer) are christians (they actually believe in God, pray, say grace before eating etc...). here everyone goes to church on xmas and easter and that's it. they get the sacraments just so they can get married in a Catholic Church.
>high homeownership rate
total bullshit, stats are inflated by the aging population/millions of baby boomer with like 17 rental properties. in Italy we have some of the lowest purchasing power of any developed country, so people are very reluctant to start a family


t. 5'5 balding italiancel

>>516605247 (OP)
Don't Italian men live with their mommies until they're like 40?

>>516609586
are you romanian?

>>516605247 (OP)
>absolutely gorgeous wome
Impossible.

>>516606516
This is just retarded. Southerners look like arabs, we look like germans. Look for the northern accent if you can even recognize it.

>>516609760
Close to it

>>516605247 (OP)
The vax

>>516605361
ghandi is greek?

>>516609862
Lmao you must not know what arabs look like. Seen a few "exotic types." Nothing close to an arab though.

>>516605247 (OP)
italians stick it in the butt like their greek cousins

>>516609775
Isn't the guy who draws patty an italian? Or am I thinking of someone else?

>>516605361
Destroyer of thread virginities

>>516606874
>All Siculo-neapolitans look the same in all the place they've migrated to
well enjoy the diversity of arabs,niggers,turks,kurds,pakis,jeets and all in between

>>516605247 (OP)
their wages are borderline third world while their costs are some of the highest
the old refuse to die
the level of taxation is worse than slavery

>>516605247 (OP)
Look up carry capacity, retard
Birth rates aren’t supposed to be exponential in finite parameter space

>>516605247 (OP)
Low fertility being a problem is a meme. Every country in the world has dozens or hundreds of millions more than it did 100 years ago.
If you just close the border races would be fine. Trading power makes you rich, not babies.
Having endless population growth to the end of time is obviously the lowest iq take possible and how you get a new India.

>>516609586
You can go back to EE, idiot.
Also, race mixing isn't cool.

>>516609660
I also noticed a lot of girls claim to be virgins despite letting boyfriends put it in their ass, which is fucking gay and disgusting,.

>>516610581
Look up "replacement rate." Retard

>>516606665
are you the food delivery boy or the amateur mma fighter or someone else?

>>516610581
>carring capacity
>Birth rates aren’t supposed to be exponential in finite parameter space
Correct. But births are not supposed to begin happening at age 30 or older. Women are supposed to have most if not all their kids by their early-20s.

Median income in shithole Italy is like 10k/yr. It's a third world country.

>>516605247 (OP)
Can't bone when you live with your parents. Similar deal with Latin America.

>>516606185
This

>>516611212
>Can't bone when you live with your parents

I don't know about here. They seem very sex-positive. And I mean that in the traditional sense, not the modern leftoid sense. This place is wonderfully untouched by protestant puritan poison.

>>516610448
I think he is. This is supposed to be written in an Abruzzan dialect. I've never been versed in Italian to tell the difference (all I understrood is that rural Tuscans like adding sh where s would suffice) but this is a very Italian thing to do.

The cars are also often Fiats. E.g. that one is Fiat Ultima circa 1990 or so.

>>516608856
The graffitti is definitely a top priority

>>516605247 (OP)
What's the point of getting married if I can't beat up my wife in peace anymore?

>>516610361
Okay, half arabs. However no excuse for not telling apart italian and half arab.

>>516611890
Control your sandnigger dna

>>516605247 (OP)
>These cities
are depopulation centers.

>>516611890
What? Italian chicks don't like being spanked?

>>516605361
HES BACK

>>516611820
I love that focks

>>516612168
They do, only beatings can fix such degeneracy, it's like feeding ice cream to a fat boy until he gets sick of it and hates it, know what I mean?

>>516612497
Same.
The car turned out to be a Fiat Panda 30CL, a gift on her 18th birthday, specific enough to possibly be a self-insert actually, come think of it.

>>516605361
>>516605361
>>516605361

Bye buh BGC fag !

If fertility is tanked in literally EVERY COUNTRY AND CULTURE, then you can stop asking about each one, faggot retard.

Further, if MALE SEXLESSNESS is skyrocketed in every country and culture, you neednt inquire.

Babies come from sex, women don't want sex with 95% of men, and they have the $ to not be forced to do so.

End of story, women have doomed the species because we're ugly even though they're fatter statistically

>>516613197
Lmao imagine seething this hard over BGC. Compensating for something anon? ;)

>>516605247 (OP)
>Why low birth rates?
You must ask yourself, who is responsible for BIRTHING? Yes, we have given women too much choice. Therefore women must become property of their husbands once more

>>516613787
Husbands are who let this happen. Husbands become fathers of girls and give them princess treatment. We need full ROAST PROTOCOL

>>516606014
This.
If you are a midwit blue collar you give zero fucks about kids, keep dishing them out and get benefits from your cucked employer. Dude here >>516605247 (OP) should realise that in Italy even the lowliest factory worker is "tenured", like a Harvard professor. Hence, blue collar ladies step in the "tenured labourer" game and then start getting pregnant like Lab rats. Free healthcare and superannuation does the rest. These ladies can literally spend 5 hours with their kid at the emergency ward because he stuck a coin in his nose and candidly tell the employer they're tossing a sickie. The employer cannot fire them.
Meanwhile, middle class, which is the majority, is struggling to make ends meet and if you desire to give your offspring anything more than a rat-ridden hospital in Calabria and a crappy vocational school in Ostia, then the cost of it is so overwhelming that you never get to home base, so to speak. Imagine the Italian State first acting to reduce incentives to private entrepreneurship, expecting anyone to use public services instead... And then it cucks you with crappy public services.
If you add to the soup the fact most blue collars are migrant, you will realise why society is going down the drain.

>>516605247 (OP)
low birthrates because we are poor and demoralized
Our society is gone, everywhere in unsafe, most people only have 1 day off work a week and do overtime so theyre never home nor free, you earn an average of 1.2k a month, rent only is 500 minimum in most cities

>>516605247 (OP)
feminism

>>516605247 (OP)
Most of Italians girl are retarded
The Catholic colture Is dead only niggers and boomer go to church
For buy a shit house you need at least 150000€ and the Italian salaries are shit

>>516610528
this

>>516615087
So just tenuremaxx and make a lot of babies. Who cares if its a ratty hospital or a shitty school. They'll figure it out if they have potential

>>516615631
Working hours need to halve and wages need to quadruple at the very least. Taxes need to be completely overhauled with 1-3 types of universal flat taxes at low rate. And all the immigrants/anchor babies need to be removed or killed.

Shit is so fucking simple and all they do is make things worse.

>>516609862
>we look like germans
no you dont lmao

>>516615981
my friend if only we were at least on par with other developed nation, let me tell you, if we had minimum wage like France or Germany and their working hours (I think French full time now is 32hrs) there'd be an immediate baby boom in this country
Italians aren't making kids almost exclusively for economic reasons, the cultural/brainwashing first world existentialist stuff doesn't have such a strong hold in here

>>516605247 (OP)
> catholic culture
Read Nietzsche. The latent slave morality within catholic culture is life-denying and lends itself nothing other than the thousands of years of tradition in aid of reproduction. The monogamy prescribed by those traditions is a smoke screen to hide from weak men the fact that their kids are not their own, but those of men superior to them, as it should be.

>>516616434
How can there not be a minimum wage in Italy? And what do people do working more than 32 hours per week? Every 32 hours is way too much.

I see anons say most jobs are contracts or some shit? Like you sign a shitty contract with a restaurant owner or whatever, work insane hours for peanuts and somehow that's normal.

Then they tax 50-60% or more. It's insane. Australia is nearing the same.

>>516606302
Yeah when I was in Genoa it was SWARMING with africans but I didn't see any interracial couples. It was weird, no one ever told me the city was basically a nigerian colony.

>>516616115
Yes we don't. You can spot genuine northern European people around like a sore thumb in here. They have a unique kind of blond hair and fair skin that our fair skinned blonds here don't have

>>516605247 (OP)
Are there many girls that look like this there?

>>516605247 (OP)
because most Italian men are compulsive faggots.
Have been since the days of the Roman republic at least.

>>516616948
No minimum wages. 32hrs is considered a part time here, and is payed usually around 300 to 900 euros depending on the job and the part of Italy. You have to work 40hrs at least if you want to make a living, most employers offer you part time contracts (less taxed for them) so you won't afford enough to live if you don't do overtime. I work 43hrs a week, 6 days out of 7, Monday free, for 1.2k.. in the "Nordic and developed" north of Italy

>>516605247 (OP)
>Seriously what's stopping you guys?
Cost of living and bitches who want to have a career.

>>516617019
You visited our Vicoli. Locals revolted against foreigners in 1993, not only it's an african/arab stronghold in our most sacred streets, most of the locals living in there are turboleftists who likes it like that.

I bet Italian women are very demanding.

Probably the money goes to old people via public pensions.

Nobody cares about young men. And women don't want them because they are poor, unless the men have good family connections.

>>516617019
>>516617691
It's a whole open-air crack market/rape-rob arena for foreigners and local leftists. I'm the only young genoese nonwoke man left who still walks those streets night and day, fearless

>>516617485
Do you think a minimum wage would ruin most employers?

>>516617485
>for 1.2k.. in the "Nordic and developed" north of Italy
How far does that go in Italy? Down here that's about 2100-2200 AUD, which would just be rent alone for the month if not less. Try buying good here, a basic steak (with increasingly shit quality) averages $20aud.

>>516618147
if they don't lower taxes on employers, yes.Now for my 1.2k monthly wage, my employer has to give the state 3k circa. So I get paid 1.2k, but I cost my employer more than 4k in total. Imagine if i were paid like other westerners doing my same job, shit would collapse

>>516612029
There is definitely a certain tendency, but it's not as obvious as some claim and it's often more diverse town to town than region to region.
North to South, with maybe the exception of Veneto and far western Liguria, people who live on the coast have a swarthy phenotype with black hair and dark eyes. Even in Campania and Sicilia those who live in the mountains tend to be fairer skinned, with light hair and light eyes (though still less than mountain polentoni).
Sicilia Is especially funny because the entire west side has fairer features than even Romans on average, while the eastern side is actually the swarthiest, even more mutted than Calabrians and Pugliesi (Puglia also has some pockets with blonde hair and blue eyes though, likely from Balkan admixture).
In Campania too, Naples is particularly swarthy even when you go behind the Vesuvius, but Benevento and Avellino have largely stayed the same genetically since the Norman invasions cause who the fuck goes to Avellino.

>>516617946
Which areas have the least amount of blacks and browns? I've heard the area around Como and Lugano across the border tend to have less cucked people living there. I'd assume the cities that border Slovenia are decent

>>516618286
I give you my example, I live in a big (500k plus) Northern Italian city
1.2k monthly wage
500 rent (low for where I am), 250 utilities of every kind
200 at least for groceries
that leaves you with 300 euros circa for everything else. Take note I'm single with no kids. A family they say.. kids..

>>516617946
>>516617691
Yeah it was fucked. When 7 PM hit, all the stores and restaurants abruptly closed and lowered their security gates. Then there were just mobs of african men wandering around silently all night.

>>516605247 (OP)
Jews.

>>516605247 (OP)
That's because you're a cripple dicked browngoloid with dog diarrhea on your veins

>>516605247 (OP)
>Seriously what's stopping you guys?
divorce rape

>>516605247 (OP)
>How is Italian fertility so low?
is women you fucking morons.
They have birth control so they can get rocked all they want and never have to raise the consequence.

This is the single duty women have, and I have no idea why men have not made them do that.

>>516618924
that makes me so angry, I love this city and Its history so much I wish we knew each other so I could show you around properly. Foreigners respect me, I'm one of the few whites who can walk there unharmed still

>>516618551
>my 1.2k monthly wage, my employer has to give the state 3k circa. So I get paid 1.2k, but I cost my employer more than 4k in total
So you could be earning 4k, but most of it goes to the state? Do you pay taxes out of that 1.2k?

>>516618862
Here it's similar but with a higher wage. It's impossible.

>>516608498
Did someone turn up the BASED

>>516610799
Amen brother. I fully support scrooge mcducks owning all the real estate until this stupid population bubble pops.

>>516619291
The first night it happened and I realized I was stranded in a mob of africans, I just walked through them with my then gf and didn't react. A few of them tried bumping my shoulder but I already had it steeled so they'd bounce off, and one very tiny nig went flying (kek).

The next day I looked up where to actually go so we did get to see some of the civilized parts of your historic city. My mistake was booking the air bnb in the "historic" part of town, thinking it was the nice part. But that turned out to be the shithole.

>>516605247 (OP)
Nobody has any fucking money and they can't afford shit, that's why.
Also they do all take birth control (((for acne))).
Full agree though Italian girls are hot as fuck. I'd wife one no prob. Sadly none want to come to USA and I don't blame them, Italy's fucking awesome (if you have money).

>>516605247 (OP)
Lack of black men

>>516618858
Please stop mentioning Lugano thanks.

>>516605247 (OP)
How do these retard boomers still not get that women dont want most men?

Italy is a retirement community. There are no jobs and the jobs that exist pay like shit which is no good given the high cost of living.
Gov't famously corrupt and useless so they'll line up their pockets, give out some political rhetoric to the masses, and then keep doing nothing.

Everything is too expensive and they (like the rest of the west) has stigmatized work above family so everyone wants to live in the city to be closer to work to have less expenses on travel but you still can barely afford a life for yourself much less a child on top of that too.. so no kids!
Italy is a beautiful country but their countryside is dying to the point where they want to offer you money to renovate a house on the countryside and live there for least a decade you just need to know Italian first and be European. So I'm halfway there..
On a more serious note though the world is dying because the rich are so greedy that they'd rather watch mankind die out then offer you a piece of bread and water to manage the day.. Their net worth is worth more then your life. Result is no kids. Deal with it!

>>516623436
back in the day girls didnt have phones that exposed them to the top 1% of all males and ruined their perception of value. if you look at any amish style society where the women arent allowed to fuck around on phones all the women are married and having kids every single one of them

>>516605247 (OP)
the mid dude is selected for his money, the gold donkey, to make roasties life very easy. that her offspring will be another retard like daddy doesnt concern roasty. she just fucks some chad and says its the cuvks child. problem solved.

so where can they find these chads for their babies. ohhh thats a long journey for roastie. she just cant decide which one of the 20 chads on her phone is going to be her baby daddy.

since she is a retard her preferred baby daddy will be a retard too. this is what she likes, stupid fucking morons that dont ask questions when roasty wants her way. the perfect simp.

>>516605247 (OP)
gonna need to see more of these Italian women to form an opinion

>>516605247 (OP)
They don't have the brown drive to procreate regardless of circumstances. Ergo, Italians are 100% white. There. We pajeets are the best. We make everyone else white by default.

>>516623436
Fortunately, “you” aren’t most men. Women are having more issues with loneliness than men. But there’s little trust there as well. Your generation seriously fucked up choosing gaming and social media over learning basic social skills. We “boomers” didn’t grow up staring into a digital void throughout High School. That’s probably why it confuses us as to why something so simple and natural as talking to the opposite sex is such a task for your generation. That’s just something we did when we were teens.