Thread 516661013

Many years ago I predicted the only way western governments can stop this behaviour is to implement digital ID. I said: at some point the government will have had enough of the propaganda launched against us and (try to) kill it by tagging everyone who uses the internet. This week, the UK is doing just that. They will say it's about children's safety and to keep your banking apps safe but it's really about narrative control.

idk how UK politics works but can you just get rid of that Starmer guy?

>>516661013 (OP)
I like how SpicNics talking point is exactly that of the globalist msm spin
Makes us think

>>516661013 (OP)
Negro, are you dumb or something like that? Haven't you see MIGA Don Trump endorse fucking Palantir?

What are you barking about China, Russia or Iran when that shit is being implemented here and probably less humanely than China does?

China just wants you to stop acting like a fucking chimpanzee in public, what does the Jewnited States of America want? They want you to worship jews and accept the Talmud or else Palantir gonna strike you down

Fuck your jewish propaganda

>>516661013 (OP)
Limey cunt, I walk around with a built in Faraday cage attached by springs on plate armor, get on my level

its amazing how they try to use kirk for everything
instead of limiting to a narrow scope they do it overbroad.

Why does starmer refuse to declare antifa a terror organization?

>>516661215
They didn't vote hard enough, OP should cast his vote into the ballot box with overwhelming strength next time to win totally non scripted elections where you actually have a choice to not ruin your nation and your people
>idk

>>516661598
Kirk is the current thing now, fuck their programing, work on what's in front of you, antifa are a bunch of limp wristed faggots, 14yr kid from any Balkan country could stomp a group of them

>>516661013 (OP)
I mean, wouldn't it be interesting to see who's actually who behind the posts? I'm half tempted to support internet ID laws if only because normies ruin fucking everything. Given complete social anonymity, they start talking about bringing back the third reich and generally just act like the most credulous morons who ever lived. The damage may already be done, though. People are already so poisoned against one another that they might genuinely not care that a lot of the division was initially fomented and amplified by Russia and China.

Keep in mind that the fact the government is talking to us all about this means they likely have very good evidence that not only is the problem widespread but that it can't deal with it with current tools. The irony is that the voices doing the lion's share of the division are in a great position to take advantage of the current division to preserve their position. It's like they have a vote in it themselves kek

>>516661364
Most burgers have no idea what palantir is, sometimes when some dumb American ids piss me off here, I threaten them with reports (they can lose citizenship over that lmao)

>>516661835
Just because your identification system works doesn't mean that some Indian or western asian can't bribe their system there with a generic pic of a shitskin and a generic name like bobjeet braphin. I witnessed this during the Syrian immigration wave when I patroled around my town with friends. All shitskins that were trying to get to EU were 18,born on January 1st,same muslim names

>>516661835
Digital ID is the end of freedom online and total control of information.
Everyone who supports this is either an ignorant, commie or mossad.

Id go even further and say that most apps need to be country based. Fuck the globalist internet thats filled with constant fighting and hate. This isnt good for anyone. Lets most social medias become region or country based, except maybe for youtube. People can learn about the world, the good and bad whilst leaving eachother the fuck alone.

>>516661835
who is paying you retard? they are about to piss away our only comparative advantage over the retarded third world and you niggers can't see it

>>516661835
Also multiple people could use 1 ID and so on

>>516662036
NPCs have no opinions and they are the most responsible for any shitty law that passes. It's always "not my problem" until it's biting their ass

>>516662085
China solved this with firewalling themselves. A reminder for everyone, more than 50% of Indians in India have no access to the Internet yet, once they get it, this site is over and done(it's done now, but it will be much much worse)

>>516662092
Most likely an eglin zogbot/NYC jew/or a vpn

>>516661013 (OP)
>"oy vey, Israel isn't the bad guy!"

Ok, Moshe.

>>516662036
>total control of information
Not necessarily. Just total accountability. Like others say, it's likely impossible to really implement unless countries get serious about intranets like China's... and, yeah, government control looms large. At the same time, protections of e.g. the press have never been anything but government honor system and they've managed to remain diverse (at least in print) across the West.

I'm mostly just agreeing with Starmer that there's a big problem with disinformation campaigns being astroturfed by our biggest rivals that's approaching an information coup.

>>516662362
>Your fortune xir
You already know what to do

>>516662279
Cant you still access their sites with vpn though? Id want a totally separate internet

>>516662362
Sadly, I think 'fighting adversarial propaganda' and AI slop, will force a complete deanonymization of the internet. No accounts without government ID, no connectivity without it either, open access points illegal, and so on.
Long story short, accountability is impossible with anonymity, and the government wants to charge certain people with crimes. The internet as a whole will soon change.

>>516662085
Nice thighs.

>>516662656
Vpn is illegal there, imagine if Indians had a punishment where a government official would publicly bathe them for using a VPN, idk what China does for breaking that

>>516661662
Dude voting is real.
I know damn well there are tons of people who are unbelievably retarded.
Even in the face of blatant facts, they are proned to propaganda like you cant believe.

Observing these people over the years, i only had one conclusion, these normies, these wagecuck slaves ARE MEANT TO BE EXPLOITED.

They are no different than barnyard animals, you use them for what you need.

During the last election, the president that won made it clear as day, that they would increase taxes, that they would ask the social apps for censorship and that they want immigrants. That they might have to sell some public companies because of the national debt.

But they shouted enough times that the opposing side (the nationalists) are anti EU and are pro Russian that they won.

DUDE, you cannot tell me these are sentient human beings, these normies. And i was speaking with them, and they themselves believed that the nationalists are russian spies and that Russia will enter Romania any day if we vote against the pro-eu side.

>>516662790
Here is a very quick test that I personally use when choosing people to do people stuff with, do they have an internal monologue, can they imagine a coloured object in their mind, can they count without talking.. I genuinely think about 1% of the world population have souls

>>516662710
I don't see a way forward without some kind of accountability. The problem is just too severe -- it's too easy for countries like Russia and China to very effectively astroturf a lot of chaos into the West. Our prior stance may have been a product of its time: that the fundamental superiority of the Western system would be its own testament and the fall of the USSR would be the natural consequence.

I mean, it was always bullshit anyway -- we absolutely pulled our own influence ops. The problem is that China and Russia are winning the information war. All of their strongest enemies are currently eating each other alive. The US, the UK, Germany with its own alt-right insurgency, now apparently Holland, etc.

They're dominating us in the asymmetrical warfare space. Something has to break. And you know that if/when the West falls to this chaos, it's not like China and Russia are going to be benevolent towards us. They're going to exploit their advantage and we end up with an even worse version of authoritarianism than we would have if we reversed course tomorrow.

I'm just not feeling very optimistic. We're barely even talking about this, so invested we are in our global culture wars against ourselves.

>>516661215
The problem is the entire system, not just Starmer. And that goes for every western country including ours - we also have politicians pushing digital ID laws under the usual pretense of "ThInK oF tHe ChIlDrEn!!!"

>>516663336
>muh russia
>muh china
You conveniently left out how hostile our own govs are to us and how much psychological warfare they use against us. You wouldn't happen to be posting from an air force base, would you?

>>516664353
Look, I'm not going to get pigeonholed into defending The Government in all the things it does. Not everything the government does is wrong on account of being done by the government. If you have some persecution complex because you believe in a conspiracy theory, I'm not gonna blow smoke up your ass and pretend it's a valid, evidenced viewpoint. If it's true on the very marginal off chance that the CIA does actually have listening devices hidden in your walls, I'm sorry that's happening to you, but the overall point here is on Russia and China.

We have to make a basic assumption that the government is going to try fundamentally to govern in our best interest, even if it does frequently find ways to privilege e.g. big business and politicians' special friends over our own welfare. At the very least, we have to assume that our government will prioritize our interests, being nominally accountable to us, more than Russia and China will... neither of which are directly accountable to us in any way. Nothing else is logical.

>>516662362
And who decides what is 'disinformation' and what is not you retarded niggercattle?
You already see what's happening with China. A literal 1984 country where you are monitored 24/7 and they will rape you in prison as soon as you post a winnie the pooh meme on social media.

>>516661013 (OP)
>the only way western governments can stop this behaviour is to implement digital ID.
Have they tried being desirable.

>>516664768
>We have to make a basic assumption that the government is going to try fundamentally to govern in our best interest

>>516665348
>And who decides what is 'disinformation'
No one. That's the elegance of simple identification. If we know who everyone is, we can see for ourselves that Li Hongping from Wuxiang has been, for example, posting very aggressively about how all leftists need to die and America should enact the fourth reich in response to the death of a podcaster. The goal always has to be exposure. We need to give people the tools to see for themselves how much they're being influenced and trust that people will choose independence once these putative networks of disinformation and influence campaigns are unveiled.

That's the "pro" argument, anyway.

>>516661013 (OP)
Clearly the best way to deal with russia, china and iran is to store all of our personal details on numerous third party verification databases that those groups can all either hack and create a national security nightmare or more likely just ask the corporation for the data and get sold it.

Yeah the best way to defeat them is to give all of our citizens personal details to every corporation in existance

>>516661013 (OP)
>because of
It doesn't matter what excuse they use, they've always eyed digital ID as a means of surveillance and control

>>516662036
Digital ID will not just be used online
But also as a real life drm check that keeps a record of everywhere you signed in with it.
So when you go to the shop and buy alcohol your id is scanned into a database instead of the clerk just looking at it.

Also considering in my country the current excuse is the ids are to reduce illegal immigration, that implys that these id checks will be in places they werent previously, because the muslims arent exactly going to the pub.

>>516661013 (OP)
Just don't comply. Fuck it. 20% of population without it and its enough for that system to not work.

>>516666234
We could leverage zero-knowledge, trustless verification to make all the info harder for the government to catalogue if we wanted to. We literally have the technology to enhance privacy rather than abrogate it.

At this point people will have to claim asylum in Russia to escape this nonsense

>>516661013 (OP)
exposing your population to unchecked information warfare from the entire world 24/7 is retarded. out in the real world people are actually completely insane. their brains are fried. this made sense in the unipolar moment when the anglo-american oligarchs thought they would rule the world and they wanted to destroy their domestic opposition but now they are waking up to the reality that they have destroyed their ability to organize society for military production and war and the russians and chinese are going to eat them alive.

>>516666417
You could do lots of things, but the express purpose of this law is creating a digital survilence/censorship system to be used in tandem with cbdcs and the iot

>>516661013 (OP)
Digital ID is essentially a central bank but for credentials and passwords. Sorry but it was always going to happen in Europe because you are cucks. The only pushback you’ll see is from America and smaller nations. America has already solved many of these problems using the free market while maintaining some privacy.

>>516661013 (OP)
the system is being lobbied by the WEF and american tech firms owned by Ashton Kutcher who are linked to Thiel firms
https://mullvad.net/en/why-privacy-matters/going-dark
It is stated in EU hearing that one of the reasons for them rushing this is the "misinformation" during Covid and obviously the constant recent news of the ADL claiming every website is antisemitic

>>516661215
>how UK politics works
vooting does nothing, just like in every democracy.
>can you just get rid of that x guy?
unelected deepstate then just engineers consent for a less unlikable clown.

>>516667193
>less unlikable clown.
Actually in the UK they tend to replace them with someone worse

See
Cameron to May to Boris to Truss to Rishi to Starmer
Gets worse every time.

>>516661215
the entire labour party is authoritarian
Britons love surveillance ;-;
I know of a rumour that we have the most CCTV cameras per capita in the west or smth, but I can't be bothered to trawl through ai generated websites to fact check it.

>>516661013 (OP)
Resist, defy, do not comply.

>>516664768
>government will try to have our interests
>glances at how mass automation will make the proletariat suddenly 100 times less important to the state of the treasury, turning a skills-based economy to a resource-based one
>also glances at trump

>>516667353
It's apparently so, outside of North Korea we have more spy cams.

>>516666417
yes but imagine how much we could cut costs by using automated data pipelines across all sectors and even further centralise power

>>516667353
forgot the link for picrel
https://surfshark.com/surveillance-cities

You deserve this for "muh grooooooming gangs" psyop.
Protect Children chud.
Send the selfie.
Pay your Street Walking Loicense fee.
It's not that hard.

>>516664768
Why would they put microphones in your walls
Your tv has a microphone
Your phone has a microphone
Every smart device in your house has a microphone.

Nigger people BUY Spyware and put it in their house
How many retards do you know with an alexa

>>516666919
>free market while maintaining some privacy
you are a retard. everything you do online is tracked already. all of your personal information is collected by that free market and then sold to le/mil/intel through cut-outs. having digital id makes zero difference whatsoever except that it cuts down on criminality and foreign subversion. the only people really hurt by digital id are big tech because half of their online ad revenue is fraud from bots.

>>516667353
the even worse thing is that the majority is owned by individuals and companies

>>516661013 (OP)
They'll use any excuse. Same deal with Covid and climate change. Anything to take more power. Remember, it's for the children. They say this to shut you up because if you retort you'll appear as the villain. I mean, how dare you question daddy government's intentions? Don't you care about the children, stupid cattle? And they'll get away with it too because whites are completely emasculated.

>>516666919
>Data security
>private rights
>pushback from America
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA the only reason you have ANY security is because of us you cuck and now you retards are pushing into it again and again

>>516668151
The children excuse doesnt last long, they drop it very fast once its already in effect.

Now the osa is being expanded to censor anything about self harm including support groups lmao
They completely dropped kids as the excuse and now its just about making sure harmful content isnt seen

>>516662362
>there's a big problem with disinformation
this is a solution for a symptom, not the disease.
this constitution will convert democracies into the same regimes that try to exploit them, it will actually perpetuate and confirm their success.

>>516661598
At this point i genuinely believe that they had Kirk killed just for this shit, this nigga has been more influential as a corpse than as a whatever the fuck he was when he was alive these past 31 years

>>516661013 (OP)
I thought the entire issue with china and russia was their digital ID system and that the only reason other countries were "free" was because they didn't implement stuff like that.

requiring digital ID to use the internet is akin to having to show your driver's license to walk down main street
raise your fucking standards people kek

pic related lol
>proposed
>announcement expected
>will be used for illegal immigration
so it is not happening and is to vet immigrants
got it

>>516661013 (OP)
Was Kirk assassination supposed to unite Amricans?
Turn all trans cis? Make all women stop showing up at elections?? Make all blacks harvest cotton???
Those nasty commies! Foiling American dream again!

<<<---just like america
one govt administration creates the problem, destroying stable society
the next govt adminstration 'fixes' problem with overreaching surveillance

>>516671070
Immigrants is simply an excuse
In my country Kier Starmer is also saying it will stop illegal immigration, something he has bee fucking helping to facilitate in the first place.

>>516671541
>immigration is just an excuse
i agree
it is just as important to use cash and never use your phone to pay
barter is the real fucking torpedo to these fucking clowns
people will also simply stop using the internet if it is too intrusive

these politicians are also power hungry idiots that can't foresee the average human shirking in disgust at the very mention of such programs