Thread 516680821

One topic that I've been thinking about recently is the Hypergamy question. Typically it's a topic that's been done to death, but I think in light of recent developments on the "sexual marketplace" that it bears talking about again. Plus I haven't posted on /pol/ for maybe 2-3 years and it's basically the only place I trust to have a somewhat intelligent discussion on any given topic.

So first of all, we've all seen pic related before. I think at the time that someone created it, it was largely inaccurate. By the early 2020s I would say the average 5 woman expected/wanted/hoped to score a 6 man. It wasn't a requirement, but of course we all fantasize about getting it on with someone beautiful, and beautiful is of course both subjective and objective.

Fast forward to 2025, and I swear women's expectations have skyrocketed, and in my mind the explanation is very simple:

>The vast masses of normies have discovered Tinder and Hinge
>Good looking + rich men have realized that they can slide into DM's, or better yet, just let dating apps passively generate "leads" of women
>Women have realized that they can all easily score a good looking + rich guy through dating apps
The logical conclusion is that.. why would any woman ever want anything but a good looking and rich man? Why would any woman settle for a 6 if they can get a 7, or for that matter a 7 if they can get an 8? Why would a woman ever want a guy who can't afford a fancy dinner, when they can get a guy who can afford a fancy dinner?

I for example would prefer slim goth girls with big titties, and not ugly acne-ridden fat girls.

So if it previously used to be "60/40" it certainly is now "90/10" - at least.

>>516680821 (OP)

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But the most interesting question is this: What will happen to all of these women when they reach their late 20s and early 30s? The good looking and rich guys will just rotate those women out of their harems and get new ones in. So what happens to the population pyramid?

If you've tasted a slim supermodel before, you're never going back to chubbies. And if you've tasted good looking, rich guys who can work from anywhere once, you're never going back to a "salaryman" or an average looking guy ever again, even if you as the woman are average yourself in every conceivable way.

I can complain about the population collapse I'm obviously alluding to while I myself will probably contribute to it because why the fuck would I ever settle for the only type of woman who'd want me at this point, i.e ugly acne-ridden fat women? I've fucked big titty 18 year old goth girls with hips I can put my hand around. But the big titty 18 year old goth girls with hips I can put my hand around in 2025 have tasted even-better looking men who are even-richer than I am.

Furthermore, why would I ever want to put time and effort into "dating" a 25+ year old used-up whore who gave away her pussy for free in her prime? That's essentially me admitting to myself that the woman I am trying to woo is someone who views me as an inferior to the other men she's been with before. And I realize the hypocrisy of it because I MYSELF have probably created a few women like that - who will never be able to feel the same about other men after being with me.

Where do modern populations go to from here?

>>516680821 (OP)
this graph explains everything

>>516680821 (OP)
Retarded, draw a line between every man and a woman who is higher than him as well

>>516680821 (OP)
I just wanna look at myself in the fucking camera and looksmaxxx

>>516680821 (OP)
>Let's have a discussion

We don't need discussion anymore. We have been having these discussions for decades

INCEL REVOLUTION NOW

ONE MAN, ONE WIFE

>>516680821 (OP)
>But the most interesting question is this: What will happen to all of these women when they reach their late 20s and early 30s? The good looking and rich guys will just rotate those women out of their harems and get new ones in. So what happens to the population pyramid?

It collapses. Women operate on a market dynamic. Their Freedom and "Liberation" is an excess of liberal capitalism and enlightenment philosophy. It's an expense we can no longer collectively afford.

Women have flocked to Babylon as long as it has existed, we're talking thousands of years. This is how women operate, if they're not repressed they destroy everything.

>>516681045
Good example. When those girls are 25, 29, or 32 years old. They will never want guys who are worse looking and poorer than the guys they were hanging out with. With the vast majority of men nowadays being completely left out of the sexual market, they will of course take anything they can get. But the women will never want them.

I myself am in a weird situation where for the past 5-7 years I've had it real good. But I can no longer compete. It's completely dry for me. And I think it's men like me who are able to observe and experience the shift in women's expectations more than anyone else because we used to be able to get really good girls, but can no longer get anything. Guys who've never been able to get anything continue getting nothing, while the top tier guys will continue getting everything.

>>516681209
>We don't need discussion anymore. We have been having these discussions for decades
I don't think anyone could've expected the situation to become as bad as it is right now.

i feel like analyses like this dont take into account the time dimension. there's a class of new 18 year olds every year
also doesn't talk about the pool you're swimming in. if you go to south east asia or russia/siberia where all the men have died in war you become more desirable as a baseline.
there's always something you can do to achieve happiness for yourself. stop trying to fix the world, leave where ever you are go somewhere else, get some pussy and stop worrying about "what this means for society".

>>516681453
Shit up nigger, this was allowed to perpetuate specifically because the outcome was known to the people corralling the cattle

>>516681704
>i feel like analyses like this dont take into account the time dimension. there's a class of new 18 year olds every year
I was thinking about this while writing the post, I realize I failed to articulate my thoughts on the time dimension properly.

But my counterquestion is this then: Why does it matter if new girls turn 18 every day? They're exposed to the same internet, they have access to the same apps. They live during the same time as all of this is going on. Why would anyone expect different expectations from them?

>>516681790
I think the present state of things is both the combination of technological inevitability, because everything is optimized until perfection. And when the "sexual marketplace" becomes technological, there's no reason to expect that it wouldn't be technologically optimized to favor the best. Because objectively speaking being better looking is good, being richer is good, being taller is good.

>>516681453
The whole theory behind Feminism and Women's Liberation was to get men to conform to Globohomo. If the Men don't conform, we end up in the societal gridlock that we're currently stuck in.

Everything gets bogged down in a stalemate between a form of Patriarchy or a hellish future of Feminist, female dominated world, that is dominated by Globohomo behind the scenes.

Hypergamy exists because of Jewish feminism, same with low tfr

Once you fix the Jewish question, Any other question of a mundane nature like hypergamy, immigration, religious clashes,etc, would stop existing

>>516682149
I'm not sure that's true. Obviously I'm J-pilled completely. But I think the present state of the sexual marketplace is an inevitability once technology entered the scene.

I don't think you can stop this unless there's an actual authoritarian crackdown on technology in general, through laws and regulations.

>>516682149
a based jew.
>>516682286
You are a fucking crypto feminist retard. Fuck off.
You haven't even given me one (you) and I've replied twice to your shit thread.

>>516682286
>But I think the present state of the sexual marketplace is an inevitability once technology entered the scene.

Same technology that was brought upon by Jews

>
I don't think you can stop this unless there's an actual authoritarian crackdown on technology in general, through laws and regulations

Everything will fall into order once the Jews won't have power in the west, it's simple, you're just complicating things

>>516681975
well cause they become fair game, and men get more resources, confidence, maturity, game as they get older.
im not saying you do this but im in my mid 30s and i regularly match girls on tinder in their early 20s.
if you can get a date with them you'll feel like "unc" to them, they're WIRED to seek older, maturity, safety, comfort. its pretty much gg.
im not saying you'll get 10s but you can pretty much fuck 5s 6s and 7s as much as you want as long as you're patient and don't kill yourself.
i know this is optimistic and gay but pretty much it's been figured out since rollo tomassi

>>516682416
Ty, the thread does feel empty, same with the rest of the lookism bullshit, I got more fucked up by reading the Rosenthal interview than by any black pill about looks or any other bs

>>516680860
>Where do modern populations go to from here?
To the grave.
Sadly men have shown that they unironically deserve to go extinct by not destroying the society that allowed this to happen in the first place.
That fast food, porn, and video games are just too good to give up for a chance to have a real life and family.
They proving themselves to be the weak men creating hard times, the lesser males who deserve to go extinct.
So enjoy the hell you allow to continue to exist, enjoy your suffering anons! You absolutely deserve it by the sin of submission.

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>>516682420
Okay, let's say 20 years from now there's popular uprisings and civil disobedience that bring about new governments across the Western world. We still have two entire generations of people, Gen Z and Gen Alpha, where 90% of the women will only have had sex with 10% of the men. My purpose with the thread was after all ultimately to discuss how the population develops going forward.

>>516680821 (OP)
yo on foe nem dis chart look like it wuz cooked up by a nigga who jus got sonned at da waffle house tryna holler at da waitress fo a free grand slam den went back to his mamas basement to type up a whole dissertation on "female nature" on his busted-up chromebook bahahaha dis whole dang screamin powerpoint: virginity protection mode. spent his whole entire stimulus check on excel jus to prove he biologically mandatory to b outside. dem stick figures lookin like da saddest-ass breadline fo a soup kitchen dat ran out of soup. not a single baddie in da vicinity my g. bro really sat dere drawin vectors n trajectories like "aight see? da algorithm confirms im him!"... nah son. da algorithm confirm yo wifi name is still netgear-2.4 yo shower shoes got mold on em n yo entire aura smell like a 2-fo-$5 mcchicken n regret. da right side? dat ain hypergamy das jus a 4k ultra hd visual of u gettin left on read ten times in a row. dem blue arrows hollerin louder dan da nigga in da club yellin "we cant b friends!" she. don. wantchu. bro. dis whole schematic ain bout no female choice its a certified autopsy report on u bein da grand champion of ain-getting-no-play. put da laser pointer down fr. delete da spreadsheet download hinge n stop tryna madematize yo loneliness into a whole conspiracy theory my niggaz

>>516682608
Assume you remove all nonwhites including Jews from western nations, In that very moment any form of Jewish trickery and bullshit will stop, because the rulers will know what Jewish poison is, and will start to drain it within the society

>>516682506
I understand what you mean but I think we're disconnected a little bit, let me try to clarify.

I know that men get more resources, confidence, maturity and game as they grow older. But some men will always have more resources, some men will always be better looking. And my entire point is that women's expectations are only ever increasing and increasing.

If I put it this way: Women used to consider being a 6 the minimum requirement for them to spread their legs. Nowadays it's 8. So it doesn't really matter if the vast majority of men get more resources, confidence, maturity and game as they grow older, they will still be "outpriced" by the fact that women's expectations are only ever increasing as time goes by.

>>516682800
Okay I get that but between today and that hypothetical point in the future, what will happen during that time? I can't see a generation of men being willing to "risk it all" to stand up against increasingly authoritarian and powerful Jewish-controlled governments if they've been virgins with 0 sex for 40 years with 0 prospects.

>>516683066
>I can't see a generation of men being willing to "risk it all" to stand up against increasingly authoritarian and powerful Jewish-controlled governments if they've been virgins with 0 sex for 40 years with 0 prospects.

That's exactly why they will do it, because they got nothing to lose

>>516683142
Okay, now another question: Will there be enough White people in 20 years time to do that? Because all of these issues we're discussing is almost exclusively a White issue in Western countries.

Now, we DO see TFR collapse in other countries as well, so clearly there's something going on there as well. But massmigration is ongoing and only going in one direction; into White countries.

And let's say by some miracle those 40 year old men with 0 sex throughout their lives with 0 prospects manage to bring down the Jewish system. What are you implying is the happy outcome, that there'll be enough freshly 18 year old girls who HAVEN'T had 100 cocks inside them already that they'll marry and have families with?

I don't see the math working out unless things are stopped TODAY.

>>516682813
yeah but with social media you're getting access to orders of magnitudes more 6s (basically an unlimited amount of 6s) especially if you travel around cities, countries, etc. where as before you're kinda stuck with the 3 6s in your town.
and it's a numbers game, think about it more in terms of statistics. if you grind enough ladder games you can beat a gm. and all it takes is 1.
the world is going multipolar and all nation states are faltering. only americans are retarded enough to still pledge allegiance to their dying empire.
if you're not moving you're dying.

>>516683368
We don't need 18 year olds, we need to purge the feminist demon from women. You know we used to burn witches at the stake, right?

>>516683368
There are more white people today than any other point in history, so there are enough people


>And let's say by some miracle those 40 year old men with 0 sex throughout their lives with 0 prospects manage to bring down the Jewish system. What are you implying is the happy outcome, that there'll be enough freshly 18 year old girls who HAVEN'T had 100 cocks inside them already that they'll marry and have families with?

They'd either be shamed, jailed or something else , and it will stop with time

>>516683428
I also get that, but here's my experience: I have somewhere around 70-80 bodies. It is what it is. And the vast majority of those were in the last 5-7 years. The average number of girls I've been able to have sex with has been steadily decreasing year by year, and that's despite me having more experience, getting in extremely good shape, starting my own business and getting wealthier, etc.

I'm clearly more attractive today than one year ago, and especially two years ago, etc. . And yet I see less action today than one year, or two years ago. Permavirgins can't notice the difference because they never got anything. Top tier guys can't notice the difference as well because they always got something. But guys like me who used to be able to get - and no longer can - can clearly see that women's expectations are skyrocketing. And that's something I keep hearing from other guys as well, women's expectations are skyrocketing.

>the world is going multipolar and all nation states are faltering. only americans are retarded enough to still pledge allegiance to their dying empire.
>if you're not moving you're dying.
I completely agree with this. I think globalization in the form of the fragmentation of the nation state is an inevitability.

>>516683485
>We don't need 18 year olds
I do. Why would I ever settle for a 30 year old non-virgin who spread her legs for men she considered better than me when she was 18? Why would any man?

>>516683674
>>516683674
>They'd either be shamed, jailed or something else , and it will stop with time
Then you'd have to shame, jail or 'something else' virtually every single woman at that point. And that's kinda my point, why would any man settle for something like that?

>>516680821 (OP)
>By the early 2020s I would say the average 5 woman expected/wanted/hoped to score a 6 man.
You are delusional. To an arguably mentally ill level of delusion.

>>516682522

Checked, and although women DEFINITELY have their fault in this, ultimately it's the (young) men who have the biggest say in what way the wind is going to blow. And sadly we have far too many goddamned simps who worship women and tell them everything they want to hear just in hopes of getting even a crumb of poon that women have just become too damaged. And only a cold, hard reboot of society is going to fix any of this. This, by the way, includes taking away women's rights. But it's probably going to be a while before any of that even happens.

>>516684166
Are you saying that I'm being too generous regarding women's expectations in the early 2020s, or too harsh?

>>516682522
>Sadly men have shown that they unironically deserve to go extinct by not destroying the society that allowed this to happen in the first place.
Well I can't argue with that.
>They proving themselves to be the weak men creating hard times
I do think you're wrong here though, I don't think Millennials or Gen Z are the generations that created the bad times.

>>516684089
>why would any man settle for something like that?

Because it's better than the alternative to disappear

My question is where to even try to meet women. They are terminally online. Dating apps are just swipe, whote, swipe whore... and you can't even meet them at church because the only people that go to church are young men, families, and old people.

>>516684688
>Because it's better than the alternative to disappear
That's logical, but not consistent with people's behavior. It's not logical for 90% of White women to spend their entire 20s being fucked by the same 10,000 good-looking rich guys in Miami, and yet that's what they're all doing.

I'm not settling. Why would any other man?

>>516680860
You give the lonely men something to do with their time. Probably video games. You tolerate the older lonely women and probably give them office jobs. You pray constantly the lonely men don't find out about the power to issue currency. Hence the need to distract them with video games.

>>516684089
>>516684427
You still haven't given us a clue, about what you would have done about this problem. It's not enough to just recognize the problem.

>>516680821 (OP)
Hypergamy is a natural result of a sexually selective society… and it’s a GOOD thing. An example of a non sexually selective society is India, all of their marriages are arranged based on character. And they are the most dysgenic race because everyone gets to breed. No Olympic golds last year despite having the highest world population.

>>516684938
Good question, but I think you'll find my answer unsatisfactory: I don't think there's anything that can be done about it realistically speaking. I think the present state of things was inevitable due to technology.

As I said before:
>The logical conclusion is that.. why would any woman ever want anything but a good looking and rich man? Why would any woman settle for a 6 if they can get a 7, or for that matter a 7 if they can get an 8? Why would a woman ever want a guy who can't afford a fancy dinner, when they can get a guy who can afford a fancy dinner?
and
>I can complain about the population collapse I'm obviously alluding to while I myself will probably contribute to it because why the fuck would I ever settle for the only type of woman who'd want me at this point, i.e ugly acne-ridden fat women? I've fucked big titty 18 year old goth girls with hips I can put my hand around. But the big titty 18 year old goth girls with hips I can put my hand around in 2025 have tasted even-better looking men who are even-richer than I am.

I'm too far gone, as are all the women I'm complaining about, and that's the vast majority of women. There is an imbalance here in the sense that there's more women suffering from this than men, but that doesn't mean things are going to work out. The women are going to refuse the majority of men, and the men who 'used to be able to get women' will refuse the majority of women.

>>516685034
It is objectively good for me to breed with a woman with good genes. It's also objectively good for a woman to breed with a man with good genes. The better the genes the better. But pause for a moment and take a step back and look at the state of things, and consider what I'm trying to say here: The vast majority of young White women are not breeding anymore, and that's only getting worse. Your argument would've been legitimate if we lived in pre-agricultural societies, but we don't. We live in a technological world with large populations, and furthermore we have massmigration of foreign races continuously flowing into our countries. It's a recipe for disaster.

>>516684185
Agreed.
A lot of those simps will have to die first before anything starts to change.
>>516684427
>I do think you're wrong here though, I don't think Millennials or Gen Z are the generations that created the bad times.
I'm going to reference religion here just to draw a comparison, where many Christians believe if you're not actively fighting and resisting against the Devil 100%, you are his complete servant and tool. Regardless of how anyone feels about religion and christianity, its the same with our current society.
You deserve what you tolerate as they say.
Or as someone else once put it,
Apathy is death, worse then death really, because at least a rotting corpse still feeds the hungry beasts and insects.

>>516680821 (OP)
>Let's have a discussion about the state of Hypergamy in 2025
Before dating apps, women married who they must. Whoever was local, were the options. Dating apps give women access to men from all over, and are causing women to judge men they don't know, at a seconds glance. The men that are attractive at a seconds glance, are the ones with all the options. Dating apps have women chasing commitment from the same few men with all the options, as opposed to marrying who they must.
The logical conclusion, is a "Roastie Loneliness Epidemic".

>>516685427
>if you're not actively fighting and resisting against the Devil 100%, you are his complete servant and tool.
Hard to argue against that, I see your point. But I think the blame for letting things get to this point mostly lies with Gen X and the Baby Boomers. It becomes ever harder for younger generations to mount a successful resistance against the trajectory we're headed towards as time goes on.

>>516685034
Whites going extinct is a good thing?
How are you more jewish then the anon with the actual kike flag? Lmao.

>>516681314
Bud, left out the part, when they find lesser men to settle down when become roastie or coalburners.

>>516684799
>I'm not settling. Why would any other man?
Children are not only a means to bring "happiness" or expand a community, they are also an investment. Who will take care of you when you are older and sick?
The State?
In the Iliad, a common lament of Homer when a young man dies is "he died without paying his father for the upbringing".

If you retards just supported what women want like men have in every generation before you you’d get some pussy. Instead you cry that women won’t listen to you.

>>516685740
>Bud, left out the part, when they find lesser men to settle down when become roastie or coalburners.
I think that's the way things worked out up until recently, because the women could 'tolerate' settling down. But I don't think they are anymore.

The difference between women's 'wants' and what women eventually 'settled for' were much smaller 10-20 years ago. The difference between women's 'wants' but also 'gets' today is vast compared to what they'd have to 'settle' for. I don't think women will "settle" for lesser men anymore going forward.

>>516685763
>Children are not only a means to bring "happiness" or expand a community, they are also an investment. Who will take care of you when you are older and sick?
>The State?
>In the Iliad, a common lament of Homer when a young man dies is "he died without paying his father for the upbringing".
I am working with the assumption that I'll either have made enough money to pay for everything and anything I'll need, or that I'll suffer dearly at an old age. I've always been successful with women (up until recently lol) and I've always wanted a family, but as time goes by I realize the odds of that happening are growing smaller by the day. So I'm not expecting to have a family at this point, as sad as that is to say.

>>516685787
Women don't want men pretending to be someone they're not, or for that matter so-called "leftist men."

However, they also don't want anyone who isn't at least an 8 anymore.

>>516682522
Fuuuuuuck Youuuuuu

Tell me about divorce laws you stupid arse, oh wait, you're fucking clueless, take your head for a dump.

look at this video, then imagine how much attention /fit/ girls are getting

>>516684763
The thread speak the poisoning minds with their rethroics.

>>516681209
Cofveve time

>>516684089
well most women want to settle down, get knocked up and stay home with kids. they're wired that way.
if you fucked 80 women already then getting laid is clearly not an issue for you. so is the problem that you dont want to accept hypergamy? or do you want to collect more bodies? if you're just trying to get more bodies then your relationship to women is inherently antagonistic because you're trying to arrive at a different win condition than them, so there's kind of no room to find one you're okay with and settling down.
like, the win condition can't be that you knock up a harem full of 10s and have the resources to feed a village of your children, you know what i mean?

>>516685986
When a man reaches old age and has money, a succession of vultures also appear, wanting to prey on him. A child meant much more in the past than it does now.
>but as time goes by I realize the odds of that happening are growing smaller by the day
This is one point—after all, an investment can backfire, but there is no better option. The wind is changing, and I believe things will get better in the future.

>>516685584
I don't disagree with where you're coming from, but at the same time, they didn't have access to the information we do. They had to accept whatever info was pushed into their heads witb TV, radio, newspapers, education, etc, all controlled.
We have the internet that let us exit Platos cave where they only ever knew of the shadows on the wall.
For the majority of them, they had no knowledge of the problem, we do.
If we don't do more direct action against the problem, then whatever gens that manage to exist after us, will rightfully scorn our cowardice and spit on our graves above all others.
For the previous generations had the luxury of ignorance, we do not.

>>516685787

>just give into whatever demands women have bruh

That's exactly how things have gotten to be as fucked up as they are today, you drooling fucking retard.

>>516685122
Checked.
I would say the 1-10 scale is not really relevant. All women fundamentally want the same thing regardless of where they fall on the looks scale.

Women are one giant shit test in 2025. I'm assuming you've passed a shit test once or twice in your life. This problem, well, it's all one giant shit test. a revolution should have already occurred that solved this problem, probably 20-30 years ago by now, but something went wrong, and it never happened, and we ended up here.

>>516686298
Fair questions, and I know that I am a hypocrite contributing to the very system I'm complaining about. But I've also historically seen this as a "dog eat dog" world, if I don't get it someone else will, so might as well take it.

But putting that aside, my problem is that I always imagined a certain degree of hypergamous sexual activity in society to not be harmful. Even if women's standards were always higher than men, they were ludicrous - but they are ludicrous now.

I thought I used to have a chance at finding someone good to have a family with 5 years ago. Today, I think the odds of that are less than 1%.

I have been completely priced out of the sexual market. And as you yourself said, clearly I have a successful history in this "dog eat dog" world. So logically; things are moving in a direction where even people who used to be successful, and by any metric are more attractive today than 'then', can no longer compete.

I'm complaining about the absurdity of the situation.

Does that make sense?

>>516681314
Jesus
I've never had luck with girls.
I can't imagine how fucked I'd be if I tried to start dating again.

>>516684763
they're all busy getting railed by chad
the real question is when do we start killing chad ?

>>516681453
>I don't think anyone could've expected the situation to become as bad as it is right now
I did expect this more than a decade ago

>>516686298
>well most women want to settle down, get knocked up and stay home with kids.
yea at age 30 after being ran through by Chad and Jamals for 15 years

>>516680860
>Where do modern populations go to from here?
Who cares, leave the problems for the next government (they will leave the problems for the next government too)

That nigger who stabbed that girl, was a manlet. kIkEs, fuck Ireland and fuck the UK

>>516686259
Giving browns the internet was a huge fucking mistake, even the destruction brought by the influx of normie boomers in 2010s wasn't as bad.
Glad I was able to experince the internet before both groups completely destroyed the place and allowed corporations to make everything sterile and gay.

>>516686888
Yeah man I think we're at the stage where everyone has passed down the problem to the point that the bomb is about to go off. I think we're the 'it' generation.

>>516686585
lol yeah i get it but i dunno, until i see polygamy NORMALIZED amongst whites, like niggers do with their babydaddies, i just dont see it as anything more than frivolous fun.
looks fade and quality women understand that. the drive to pass on genes. the people who don't will select themselves out of the gene pool and not have kids, and that's not really a loss. the "dog eat dog"ness of the world cuts this way too.

>>516686982
Immigration fucked the sexual market just as much as it did the housing market and the job market

>>516686667
I don't wanna blackpill you, but let me try to put this as clearly as possible:

I used to regularly pull 18-22 year old real fucking hot girls all the time, like 2-3 years ago.

Also, 2-3 years ago, I was making less money, didn't have a proper career, and was out of shape.

Now, not only have I had a career that paid better than then, but I've moved on from even that and started my own business which I can do from anywhere, making a lot of money, and I'm in the absolutely best shape of my life.

And my right hand to God, I swear this by everything: I can't get a single 18-22 girls Like on dating apps anymore. It's ONLY 25-35 year old ran-through single moms.

>>516680821 (OP)
The biggest joke about hypergamey is women aren't even achieving anything. It's basically gooning.
How many children are these giga chads actually producing?
A very very small amount, the giga chads are more fruitful donating sperm to be use by lesbians than his nightly hook up.

Without birth control and government gibs, women would very quickly change their habits, because actual pregnancy without a secure life line is so dangerous women have killed their children to avoid it.

All of this is balanced by birth control and governmental payouts

>>516680821 (OP)
unplug. go outside.
when you have genuine life connections, and aren't staring into the lives of people you'll never meet all day, eventually you'll click with someone.
If you're hideous, try not having a hideous personality, and weighing others by what you think they owe you.

>>516680821 (OP)
lotta shit im not reading
but im a short round retard mutt with a mutilated dick so gg no re for me regardless

>>516681314
The endgame for western women will either be becoming an alcoholic spinster or settling down with balding Joe Shmoe that they are not attracted to. There simply aren't enough top tier men to go around.
In either secnario the women won't be happy

>>516687162
Damn.
I'm fucked then.

>>516687171

It's not even Chads, either. Women will fuck broke, retarded niggers. And then the bastard spawn will likely be left to be raised by a single mother, which just adds fuel to the fire. Women aren't "doing what's best for the genepool" or whatever horse shit. If anything they're only making things worse.

>>516687395
Everyone is. Seemingly.

>>516687162
Are you sure there's nothing else going on with you? Because, anecdotally, I've seen the same thing happen to others who have secured gainful employment.

It's like women can subconsciously detect whether you need to be subservient to the system at large or not. And if you can risk throwing things away.

>>516682506
Other women really don't like seeing guys dating younger. My friend got a new date and the girls in proximity were instantly disapproving because she looked too young.

>>516687580
I mean, from the very post you're responding to, I state clearly that I am more independent than ever before right?

But in my experience my current employment situation or money situation has not been a topic I've discussed with women, at least not with the vast majority of women I've met. You can't flaunt wealth unless you have a lot of it, which I've never had.

I'm convinced it's a looks thing. I AM much better looking today than 2-3, or even 5-7 years ago, it's simply that women's expectations is just much higher now than ever before, it has to be.

>>516681209
Have more?

>>516687692
if you let other women shame you out of fucking an 18 year old, you don't deserve to fuck 18 year olds XD
my wife was 23, when i met her, i was 32.
we have 2 kids now
the way god intended

>>516680821 (OP)
Me

>>516688206
Maybe you yourself are just a loser. Have you ever considered this? I had to myself when I realized that all that time fucking random girls on tinder should have been spent selecting for a wife. Its a dumb mistake men make. I ended up marrying someone Im very happy with, but she isnt a 22 year old virgin. Its just not realistic.

>>516681209
Our politicians are bringing these people in our nations, remember what they did when it's time

>>516686982
I grew up on the 1990-2000s internet. MSN/Windows Messenger, ICQ, forums and chatrooms, Rotten and Ogrish

Peak time. I still seethe about the fact that they got rid of MSN Messenger.

>>516686991
I don't know, we might be suffering the social consequences but I think the next generation is the one that will suffer the total financial collapse

>>516688532
My nigga, people (including myself) not only can NOT select for a wife anymore, but we can't even get a crumb of pussy.

>>516680821 (OP)
i still remember how differently girls used to act before dating apps. tinder got released my freshman year of college and it was seen as taboo to have one, especially as a girl. you could still meet and talk to girls normally just by walking up to them. by senior year, almost every girl had a tinder, and it was seen as weird to try to strike up conversation in person, the standard was to meet people on the apps if you wanted to fuck. after college i got into two serious relationships via tinder, but ever since the pandemic its been impossible to meet attractive girls on the app. they make you pay just to be seen unless you're a 8+. most girls aren't interesting enough to keep a conversation going or just stop responding. now all i can attract are pajeetas and some asian chicks.

>>516688600
>Peak time. I still seethe about the fact that they got rid of MSN Messenger.
I had the worlds best collection of emojis (or whatever they used to be called).

>>516687435
>Women aren't "doing what's best for the genepool" or whatever horse shit. If anything they're only making things worse.
The whole "females instinctly always do whats best for the genepool" is just lies and bullshit.
Nature shows us this, there are birds that lost their ability to fly (one of the greatest gifts your species can be give and the whole thing that a bird should be about) because they only wanted to fuck the pretty males, instead of the ones that actually improved their species ability to survive. Image crippling your species because the females only wanted "chad".
Not as bad as a species of deer that basically killed themselves because instead of breeding with the deer that were actually good at surviving, the females kept breeding with the males with the biggest antlers. This caused the species males to keep growing bigger and bigger antlers, and the females of course only mated with the biggest at each given point in time.
This continued until the male deers that were born, had antlers so big that it made it impossible to defend themselves properly or get away from predators fast enough due to the weight. Not even including the hunters that wanted a trophy for the wall to impress their friends.

Nature shows us that when females are given power, they cripple or just straight up cause the species to go extinct.

>>516688532
Don't come in here telling us about how you settled for a roastie and how that makes you better than us. Don't want to hear it dude.

>>516688488
Based

>>516680821 (OP)
Let’s not. This topic is so neat to death.
I wish people would make threads of substance instead of making this board into r9k, Twitter, and Reddit combined.
Besides, you live in Sweden, a 5 in your country is like an 8 here.

hypergamy is the whole reason for WMAF

>>516680821 (OP)
giving women rights was a mistake, they are better off being treated as property

>>516688885
I think it's highly relevant. Unless men have a reason to fight, they won't fight. Simple as.

>>516688885
It's extremely relevant and this is one of the most organic threads we've had in ages.

>>516688770
Emoticons was the word anon. And sometimes even 'smileys'

>ywn have a geocities website where you have flames in the corners with frames and your animated dog .gif and your webring
Worst timeline

>>516688772
You're basically explaining male selection in humans though. We all know huge boobs are useless and encumbering but these are the women that get the most male attention and thus the higher survival/mating rate in theory.

Shits so fucking insane everywhere. Some days I can barely believe it.

>>516688783
I'm not better than anyone! But a lot of men pick up loser behaviors and ruin their lives. Boil it down to basics and date with intention, not for sex. Its stupid.

No one is getting their perfect dream match. Shes pretty and I enjoy spending my time with her. Focus on finding that, there are a ton of good women out there still.

>>516689449
Your advice would've worked 4-5 years ago, not anymore.

>>516689449
>I married a washed up post all slut and you should no
Pass ranjeet

>>516689369
Males don't select, they impregnate anything that can get pregnant.

>>516689497
I found her over a year ago, and locked her down immediately. It still works.

>>516689808
And there are people who get hit by meteorites as well, however rare.

/pol/ once again confirmed for the virgin incel board.

>>516680821 (OP)
I want women with fluffy tail.

>>516689665
There are women in between virgin and raging sluts, anon.

>>516689369
No, not really.
What you jerk off to on the internet is not the same as creating offspring.
This also implies men have control in the mating proces to anywhere close to women, if what you're trying to imply was true, women witb big breasts would be extremely common and small breasts would be a rarity.
I went to college and work at a Hospital, so I have experince in woman dominated places, I've traveled all over to the most popular and populated destinations, and big breasts are not common.
Also side note, going to college and working for years in a hospital are what showed me that woman are retarded.
Women should not be allowed in a lot of professions, there's a female cop that just joined our local police department, working in the emergency department, I see them a lot, and I know for a fact that woman DOES NOT have the strength to actually deal with a real criminal. I'm convinced they only get hired so the sergeant or chief have something to fuck on the side.

>>516680860
>What will happen to all of these women when they reach their late 20s and early 30s?

These women are basically props for psychopaths, corporations, and the government and will be used as concubines or peons for them.

>>516690126
Holy shit...You're right. There can't really be anything else for them aside from full blown repentance.

>>516680860

Into ruin. New civilizations will rise.

>>516689886
I mean, the alternative is to continue being a sex hound and getting nowhere? Like, what do you want?

Accept that this is female nature, but also acknowledge that there are still good women out there. You have to find them and be ready to settle down though.

>>516690038
no hymen no diamond, cuckboy

>>516690445
Likely not going to happen. And honestly, this virgin obsession is unhealthy. A naive nice virgin girl isnt waiting for her dream man from 4chan. Those girls are religious and marry that boy down the street.

>>516680821 (OP)
I think the graph doesn't apply for millenials in my country entirely, almost everyone I know has a girlfriend, but whoremongers and sluts exist probably more than in previous generations
I don't know how it's for younger generations though
>what's gonna happen to those women
i think they are just gonna share chad and tons of lonely women will also exist

>>516690765
Where do you live? I barely see any millennial and Gen Z couples in Vienna

>>516681209
>We don't need discussion anymore
Faggy faggot faglord and also predditor

We always need these discussions. The Leftist idea that discussions are "settled" and that the previous result should become precedent is retarded.

>We have been having these discussions for decades
Some of us are having them for the first time today

>>516684763
why would i tell you? every woman you get is a woman i dont get. stay indoors, swiping, and bitchless, zoomer

>>516681704
i don't know man, i'd like to have a wife of my own race, am I too picky?

>>516690765
Anecdotes are worthless, my millenial friends are mostly single while my early zoomer friends are all long-term dating.

>>516685582
This image needs to start in the 1800s, the rot was already set in by the 1960s

>>516689687
Human men have partial selection, if they didn't women wouldn't be obsessed with beauty standards. The fact that you can pick the "prettiest" girl out of a group means you have selection instinct.

Men were likely afforded this selection as an emergent property of males being depended on by females. It's biological function also probably emerged due to fertility regulation.

Men tend to select for traits associated with fertility and having hips wide enough to allow birth.
I'd say our slow birth rate and longer development time meant it couldn't all depend on women dying at childbirth for natural selection to occur. Basically, men try harder for better female picks as to not waste resources and time on inferior females who would likely die at childbirth. Those women would be out competed by their rivals and end up with shittier men and then have failure children if she didn't die at childbirth.

>>516690058
>It's not true because it's not common.
it's an ongoing process, we aren't selecting to "maintain" a common trait, we're selecting to expand that trait to be more common.
The fact that breasts exist as they are is highly likely to be a result of male selection to begin with, because there is nothing about excessive breast tissue that would be encouraged by natural selection. There are no circumstantial environmental factors that purged the -A-cups from the gene pool, there is nothing about male phenotype that was selected for that just circumstantially caused breasts to develop from estrogen.

The fact that males across the board, even in ass obsessed countries show attraction to boobs, shows it was a male selected trait.

>>516682522
>That fast food, porn, and video games are just too good to give up for a chance to have a real life and family.
This but unironically.

>>516685034
Hypergamy is eugenic when it's selecting for good traits. Having good looks or having made a lot of money through globohomosexual activities does not make someone good on its own.
Before widespread birth control, women had to pick men based on whether she thought he would stay with her if she got pregnant, and be a good father to their children. She would then select for looks+wealth within those trustworthy candidates.
These days, women select for dysgenic antisocial traits that make men exciting for short-term relationships, which is going to erode the high trust, cooperative, intelligent, and virtuous culture of the European race over time.

>>516682520
Rosenthal interview?

>>516680821 (OP)
The Indian man at the top gets all the women. That's why US want h1b employees gone

>>516691397
i think you're right, god I hate women

>>516690660
>Those girls are religious and marry that boy down the street.
After whoring around, church girls are well known as sluts.
One thing you're right about is that they don't marry the boy at their actual church, but the bad boy down the street. As someone who was raised in the church and still goes to mass, it's sad how it really does raise the boys to be cucks while girls pretend to be good and then go out and whore out and no one, not even the priest, ever dares to call it out.
At least they are smart enough not to let the woman become priests.

>>516686708
Exactly, anyone who was taking it seriously could have predicted the overall state of the West now 10+ years ago. This is not a surprising scenario.

>>516682522
You destroy the s()yciety that caused this by not enabling it.
You cannot have a "real life" on a fake and gay Clown World and so literal works of fiction are more real than it is because they aren't actively deceiving you.
Tradcuck chixwithdix such as yourself are actively deceiving humans.

>>516680821 (OP)
It's quite simple. Men are less equal to men than women are to women, which means that there are more marginally and extremely superior and inferior men. And if you pair up all the best men with the best women, even monogamously, you invariably end up with a bunch of relationships in which the husband is superior, all the way until you get to the inferior half that nobody wants to be with, leaving a gene pool in which every couple consists of a marginally superior husband with a marginally inferior wife.

>>516691397
Basically what I talked about here that females, of any specie, are poor judgement of good genes for long term survival, >>516688772

>>516691087
Everyone I know, millennials and early zoomers, are dating and in serious relationships. I'm the only one who isn't, but I've always been off.

>>516681209
Why are niggers/frenchers so barbaric?

>>516692056
If jerking off in the dark is how you want your life story to end, then God speed anon. Don't forget to hydrate.