Thread 516702699

why is germany's military ability always exaggerated. they werent even close to winning

>>516702699 (OP)
you mean american army is always exaggerated, you made a typo there bucko

>>516703097
krautcuck cope

>>516702699 (OP)
They really do look kind of pathetic, don’t they? Reminds you of all those Russians and Ukrainians POWs you see now

>>516702699 (OP)
they were close to winning ww1, I sincerely believe that if USA didn't intervene or mexico attacked texas as germans wanted, then they would have won, and that was despite them having to tard wrangle AH and turkoids

>>516702699 (OP)
Check their k/d

>>516703518
that being said, I agree that ww2 germs are an overrated meme

>>516702699 (OP)
because you niggers teamed up on us like the jews you are

>>516703240
go pay taxes for epstein pedo ring succer, we told you so, you fought for this, now you get children raped, gg bro, real good work kek

>>516703097
saved

>>516703240
to be fair, Krauts did way better than your nigger army, imagine going at war against zerg-rush soviet union while they receive permanent supplies from the eternal anglojewsphere and, to make it worse, also have to carry shitalians and gypsies

>>516702699 (OP)
they did conquer most of europe tho

>>516703692
>nigger isnt allowed a gun or a vest
FUCKING KEK

>>516702699 (OP)
I've heard that the german submarines nearly won the war during the first few years or so, the UK only had 14 days worth of fuel and supplies at one point

>>516703097
kek
dont forget the Tuskagee airmen
americans worship their niggers

>>516703927
he has four eurogoyim as body shields

>>516703692
>be german
>be loser race
>blame america instead of yourselves for your own shitty decisions
only bums blame others for their own failures like you're doing
>>516703919
>>516703926
and they were exposed as being frauds when up against a real military

>>516703999
>At the close of the Seven Years' War, the army, so renowned for it's disciplined valor, was officered by native Prussians. But it was composed, for the most part, of men from the lowest levels of humanity. Hired, or stolen from almost every nation in Europe
as if germans have ever had an actual german military. for hundreds of years you have relied on picking on the weak to fill your ranks

>>516702699 (OP)
lol what a bunch of superpowers had to come together while russia through like 100 million dead bodies at them. all while germany was trying to surgically remove a giant nose from the earth's face

>>516703097
all the allied ones are soviets kek

>>516703997
once the american/british navies got a system for combating u-boats up they were pretty much worthless

>>516703999
>tuskegee
Where have I heard that name before, ah yes.
If you're black in america move as far away from tuskegee as you can.

>>516704061
>be OP american
>support pedos
>is armed and can take capitol in 2h, but does nothing as jews cum in his childrens ass
>call others online to forget about it
>sharts
>sleeps happy

>>516704444
why do krauts like to flaunt their sexual fantasies all the time?

>>516704503
yeah lets just pretend epstein trump thing isnt real, sure and I am the one coping kek

>>516702699 (OP)
Germany has never won a war.

>>516704689
6 months ago pizzagate was a rightwing conspiracy. and now you libcucks care about elite pedo rings? you just outed yourself as a german tranny

>>516703240
When anti-gravity suspenders are invented, you guys will be unstoppable.

>>516703518
>they were close to winning ww1
No they werent you mong. The German Empire was being starved into suppression by a very effective blockade. Without the American involvement, Britain and France would have still won but it would have taken longer and cost more lives.

>>516703097
how did they lose?

>>516703097
>all those ace pilots
>lose the only air war that mattered
how embarrassing

>>516702699 (OP)
Germany:
>conquer Poland
>conquer France
>conquer Britain
>conquer North Africa
>get sandwiched between US and Soviet Union and faulter

USA:
>Jump in as third party
>fight auxiliary forces in west Europe while USSR invades Berlin
>pretend like you won the war for everyone

>>516705197
They ran out bullets. Muttland gave USSR so many supplies you could even see ww2 motorcycles used in the Pidorrusia-Khokholian war.

>>516705464
we gave the soviets 400 billion tons of supplies. all produced, loaded on ships, transported on said ships. america pretty much armed, clothed, and fed all of the USSR

>>516703240
Really important to point out America won WWII BEFORE they imported subhuman spics and gooks then desegregated the military to include niggers among Whites.
Wouldn't have won WWII that way.
It's insulting jews now use these subhuman niggers and spics as an occupying force on military bases when those subhumans couldn't win a war for kikes in the first place.
Even now with the war in pissrael these spic & nigger subhumans aren't helping the kikes.

>>516705419
> Conquered and butchered at the end

>>516705197
those are air "victories", which are counted when the enemy plane is shot down; it doesn't matter if the enemy pilot was killed or not. most of the luftwaffle was spent fighting over Britain, where British pilots could be safely recovered, wheras any german pilots who were shot down were captured and held for the rest of the war. Basically, while the luftwaffle was shooting down planes and racking up """"""victories"""""", the Brits and Americans were building 10 planes for every one the germans shot down, and the luftwaffle was steadily bleeding experienced pilots that they could not replaced

>>516704886
pedos still in charge, call me whatever you want, your backyard stinks and you are lazy mutts. all the bullshit in the world comes from the usa including trannies and libtardism, you and your lazy fellow americans are the sole thing to blame for most of current world evils and your naive ancestors did a great job as well, dumbasses

>>516702699 (OP)
Stalin himself put bounties on certain German pilots because they were so damaging to his forces.
Stalin admitted behind closed doors he could have never won the war without the others
France actually lost.
Britain would have lost if not for the help of the US.
Without Britain as an early foothold the US would have had no action in Europe.

Northrop Grumman rebuild the Horton Ho IX, but forgot the correct painting.
Yet they still came to the conclusion that the plane was so superior to everything the US even had in development, that Germany was like 20 years ahead of everyone at the time.
They said if Germany build the upscaled bomber version it could have dropped ABC weapons over the US without them being able to retaliate.

>>516707927
cope it is the germans who are subhuman

War isn't about who "wins" it's about who quits first. And in the case, people really really do forget how close Hitler came.

Obviously his mistake was invading Russia

>>516702699 (OP)
Nearly all military training and like all special forces training is based on WWII Nazi Germany soldier and SS training.
Nearly all modern machine guns used the MG42 as a basis for development.

>>516706137
well at least if the Iran war flares up again, they're done for

>>516706897
they didn't rotate pilots and were outnumbered 10 to 1 in the pacific

>>516708121
your entire "nation" is like that mcdonald if you can even call whatever american is, pajeet that got citizenship 1 month ago is american as german or 3 generation or 4 generation its all just a mess it not a nation and why? because you are lazy dumb naive mutts

>>516708373
western front*

>>516703518
Lmao no and fuck no, you are a retard

>>516703518
The Germans were in full retreat by the time USA actually had troops in Europe.
The hundred days offensive was meant to be a skirmish but it turned into a general offensive because the German lines collapsed.
The US did not expect to be strong enough for an offensive until 1919.

Do your homework son, or at least ask ai. You're just really dumb if you get basic facts wrong at this point.

>>516703919
Wikipedia tier knowledge of history

>>516702699 (OP)

Not only did German soldiers not win. They would also very regularly surrender without a single shot fired when it was clear they were outnumbered.
In fact Hitler was reportedly very angry because he had ordered multiple suicide attacks and they were simply not followed/carried out.
There used to be a famous clip spread around with memes and that is actually just a depiction of that situation.
Also when Germans did win in war it was because of two things : 1. They would make deals with the enemy and 2. They would attack a completely unprepared enemy (they even termed this "Blitzkrieg" as if it was something to be proud of)
Overall Germans are awful soldiers and have never won any meaningful battles. Hitler spent more time taking TikTok tier photos than strategizing and preparing to win the war.

>>516702699 (OP)
They definitely were going to win if it wasn’t for the lend lease act. There’s an argument to be made that Stalin knew this and purposely allowed the USSR to be invaded so the west would be forced to support them. The USSR was years away from full industrialization, it was because of the lend lease act that they reached that point

>>516708689
british cope written under a swedish flag

>>516704161
Moron the KIA ratio of Germans to Russians is like 1:1.3

>>516708926
Ok Ludendorff.

>>516708920
>(they even termed this "Blitzkrieg" as if it was something to be proud of)
german soldiers were all on meth too. overall it led to a less effective fighting force

>>516708091
You couldn't land a man on Britain, so stfu on that issue.
As for Northrop Grumman and the Horten Ho 229, they have zero relation whatsoever, and Northrop had flying wings in development and a continuous lineage from pre-war until afterwards, and they were completely different aircrafts to the shit Horten Ho 229. The level of stolen valour you cunts come up with over aviation tech, while getting smacked down like fucking pussies in every air conflict with the Western allies is unreal. Not only was Germany not 20 years ahead of everyone else, they were way behind the allies in air tech by 1944, and your dogshit 262 was a life lesson in how not to develop military hardware during a war. By the autum of 1945 Britain had broke the speed record for flight, and unlike Germanys jet aircraft, this record was flying horizontal and not in a descent. We were producing jet engines with 2x more thrust than anything you had by the end of the war.

>>516708920
thats a mighty cool story, you french "swiss"
we ended France in 1871 and youve been coping ever since, trying to make sense of your inferior existence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVISzFmBiPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXqmWX16iXE

>>516705853
>send less than 1% of the food
>wE fEd yOU
American education
sad

>>516709056
more like lügendorff

>>516709227
do you know how much 400 billion tons is? for every person in russia that is 4 million kg of free shit

>>516708091
tell us more on stalins thoughts, rare to get such a insight into a dead world leaders thoughts

>>516702699 (OP)
The Franco-Prussian War was extremely well handled.

>>516708952
More like 2:1
Red Army losses were around 10-11 million
Axis military losses on the eastern front were around 5 million.

Numbers are also inflated due to the fact that most of the over 3 million Soviet POW never survived German captivity.
The majority of losses also came from thr chaotic battles in 1941.

>>516709227
>trusting commie sources
dumbass emu

>>516709462
ah yesm the famous russian cope that the other 20 million dead were somehow all civilians
only easily proven by the fact that most of them were men
if they were civilian deaths then there wouldnt be such a loopsided ratio between me0an and women
the ruissian send meatwaves to the front and every german soldier could confirm that

>>516709338
You are just making shit up
90% LL didn't arrive until after Stalingrad and the Germans were on the retreat, and it was a drop in the ocean compared to Soviet production

>>516709620
you are in fact the one coping krautcuck

>>516703097
90% of those shot down were soviet cropdusters lel

>>516709767
what did i make up? lend lease was 400 billion tons of free shit to russia over the whole war. can you not do math?

Imagine how kino the cold war would have been with a united Europe under Germany Vs the US

>>516709620
They're still civilians even if they are men that would otherwise be getting on with life in their vocation, but have been forced to take up arms as untrained recruits because you're attacking their country.

>>516709620
should i learn german? or am i just humoring some kind of faggy weeb like larp when they start trying to learn jap

>>516703518
>or mexico attacked texas
well it failed spectacularly the last two times
we would have probably gotten baja peninsula if they tried

>>516709907
ah yes and the actual civilians your shithole terror bombed in Germany were of course not actual civilians but all potential nazis

germans in ww2 werent even producing more bullets than in 1918

>>516709942
you already speak english. no need to learn an inferior language

>>516709462
It's not, I'm talking solely about KIA as its the only accurate comparison, no civilians, no different definitions like in WIA, and doesn't count deaths in captivity

>>516710082
yeah, if you somehow miss the other 20 milion deaths

>>516709508
>trusting jews
Retarded brown

>>516709815
All of what you just said, you don't have a clue

>>516709508
Numbers are confirmed by economic historians like Mark Harrison.
Tho Lend-lease was vital due to its quality, not quantity.

Even in food, those 2% were high protein Spam in portable conservation cans that greatly increased Soviet nutrition and combat effectiveness.

Same with everything else. America provided radios and target finders and scopes. These are small and generally lightweight parts of a tank, but the most vital parts for her combat effectiveness.

Likewise with aluminum and copper. 100% of the Soviet aluminum came from USA so without it she wouldn't have any domestic aircraft production.

Still, to simply attribute Soviet success to material advantage is extremely moronic and just shows your ignorance. The Soviets defeated the wehrmacht because they learned from their enemy and they learned from their mistakes.
By 1944 the Red Army had become a sophisticated fighting force, deep operations was basically a refined doctrine of the German "Blitzkreig", and Soviet deception was superior to German military intelligence.

Read Glantz.

>>516703097
The Germans kept their ace pilots flying until they got shot down or crashed, meanwhile the Western Allies could afford to retire the aces after a while and send them home to train more pilots. That's a big part of the reason why there were so many top German aces.

>>516709620
They where literally civilians tho

>>516710215
why do you argue like this is reddit?

>>516704886
>now you libcucks
Every last one of you migger cuckservative boomer con faggots are extremely liberal, you are more liberal than 99% of the planet.

>>516710156
are these deaths in the room with you now?
Retard KIA doesn't include civilians

its funny that america was a segregationist state that wouldnt even let blacks drink from water fountains and kept japs in concentration camps but your average pol retard thinks it was some kind of evil zog invasion . your average nig had more rights in NS germany

I think australia is the only other non cucked nation besides usa at this point in time in this regard

>>516710336
dilate

>>516710321
anon you are retard saying retarded things, you couldnt address anything I said
>rEdDiT
This didn't go well

>>516709146
Watch the video by Northrop you faggit.
They made it available on youtube.
You were a lost nation without the help of other you fucking brit child diddling pajeet scum.

>>516710244
Not to mention, US fighter pilots had a 5:1 kill ratio over German skies. It was a major reason why USA did day-light bombing instead of the traditional night-time bombing. The US wanted to draw the luftwaffe out so they could destroy it.

The fact that USA pulled pilot aces out of the field to train pilots while the Germans did the opposite by stripping their schools of competent trainers to be pit as frontline pilots instead, contributed to the sharp decline in luftwaffe performance.
Obviously oil was a major factor too, German cadets barely even flew a plane once, before being put on their first combat mission due to fuel shortage.

>>516710349
Are you really telling me you believe soviet numbers?

>>516710047
You started that tactic against us in WW1 then against multiple Polish cities. Don't try and take the moral high ground when we master area bombing to a higher standard than what you did. You were firing V2 rockets at Britain without any regard for the nature of the target, and it is only our superior intelligence that outfoxed you in that tactic making your rockets largely land on farmland. You threw everything you could at us in bombing campaigns and you lost as we are superior at fighting as the records show.
Every place we targeted was a major military target while you had a bombing campaign taken off a tourist guide map to bomb targets purely to damage the morale of Brits (Baedeker Blitz), and it backfired massively. Dresden was by far a bigger military target than Bath City in England.

>>516702699 (OP)
Kill yourself, discord tranny.

>>516710284
>>516710349
coping russian nigger
the russian themselves admit nearly 30 million deaths
how would all these people even die if not at the fuckign front
the soviets used human waves even in the finnish war, but somehow deny it in Ww2 only a few years later
lol

>In the Winter War of 1939–1940 the Soviet Red Army used human wave charges repeatedly against fortified Finnish positions, allowing the enemy machine gunners to mow them down, a tactic described as "incomprehensible fatalism" by the Finnish commander Mannerheim. This led to massive losses on the Soviet side and contributed to why the clearly weaker Finnish forces (both in manpower and armament) were able to temporarily resist the Soviet attacks on the Karelian Isthmu

>>516710577
yeah goering being a total retarded fat gay guy was probably a pretty big negative for the germans

>>516710673
this is also retarded though. brits invented concentration camps to kill boer women and children in africa because you were mad they didnt like blacks enough (fact)

>>516703097
The Luftwaffe aces' insane kill tallies are more a reflection of the nature of air combat on the Eastern Front than evidence of their innate superiority. They flew multiple sorties a day, from airfields close to the front, against Soviet pilots who were poorly-trained often inexperienced, and flying aircraft that were generally inferior for the first two years of the conflict. It was like shooting fish in a barrel for them.

The British and Americans didn't drive their fighter pilots nearly as hard, and recognized that their expert pilots were far more valuable as a store of tactical experience that should be shared with their fighter arm as a whole. Thus, their aces were frequently called away from the front for training seminars and morale tours. The Germans, like the Japanese, just flew until they died, taking their expertise with them to the grave.

It should also be noted that many of those killed Luftwaffe aces on the list met their end in the West after the Allied bomber offensive ramped up.

I concede that the U.S. Army in WW2 was in general mediocre. The Air Force, though? Nope, they were pretty damn good.

>>516710636
I take the median from all sources for both Soviet and axis

>>516703097
But you lost

>>516710636
Why not? The numbers were literally state secret and weren't revealed to anyone for this very reason.
Historians did not have access to the archieves until after the 1990s when the Russian federation slowly declassified Soviet archieves.

>>516703692
Depending what shithole city the American grew up in he's the only one who knows violence. Do you really think anyone from Finland could or seen someone get killed over pairs of shoes like in the US.

>>516710478
Hitler was on camera shaking with nervous sexual energy as he watched Jessie Owens win the Olympics, who would later take Hitlers anal virginity backstage, yet FDR treated niggers with total contempt despite being a 'leftist' by US standards.

>>516703692
we only send our shitty troops to these time wasting international exercises

Germany lost WW2 unironically because of fanatic racism.
If they treated slavs like humans many would support them, especially Russians. All they had to do was rule like Austro-Hungary and 90% of Russians would dump Stalin in a second. Instead they decided to kill or enslave everyone, forcing people to prefer fucking Stalin as the lesser evil.

>>516710688
you are a retard that has no idea what you are commenting on
>russian themselves admit nearly 30 million deaths
well done on showing everyone that all your comments can be safety disregarded, the USSR mobilized around 30M people during the war, 30M KIA is impossible, absolute mongoloid tier IQ

>>516711010
FDR was a Democrat back when the Democrats were the more racist of the two parties against blacks. FDR's core support came from the South. New England is the region that voted against FDR the most and the South was the region that voted for FDR the most.

>>516702699 (OP)
you’re jewish

>>516710769
It was more to do with manpower shortage.
The germans simply had a 'fight-till-you-die' policy in all armed forces, including the airforce.
They also stripped their flight schools of competent trainers to serve as frontline pilots, thus adding to the number of 'aces' but also adding to thr great number of dead cadets. It's actually insane to look at luftwaffe losses compared to US losses in 1944, despite luftwaffe numerical superiority and fight over German skies. They were dead men walking.

>>516710767
Brits didn't invent concentration camps, it was something copied off Spain, and once the British public caught wind of it they demanded the war was ended and the Boers compensated, both of which happened...and it had nothing to do with niggers and everything to do with Gold mining.

>>516709367
Khrushchev in his memoirs you little bitch mentioned Stalin admitting to this.

>>516711278
wrong + boer women are hotq

>>516711155
>FDR was a Democrat
KKK back then was the Democrats version of modern Antifa.

>they werent even close to winning
Well I mean, had Army Group Centre not diverted south during Barbarossa, then there's a very real chance that Moscow would have fallen. It seems hard to believe that Stalin could have maintained control after the losing the capital city and fleeing for his life. Plus the added benefit of the Soviets losing their major industrial centre and transport hub. If the Volga became akin to the Danube or Rhine during the Roman Empire, it seems quite likely that Germany would have been too hard to dislodge with access to buge amounts of oil and other resources. Especially when you consider that 75% of German forces who died did so on the Eastern Front. Probably the only real risk would have been Jewish nukes on Berlin.
Read Hitler's Panzers East.

>>516710688
You outed yourself as a complete moron early in the thread with your "Germany could totally have won ww1 in 1918" bullshit.

You fell for the Ludendorff meme, same as Hitler. Well done.

>>516709620
Not forgetting Jagdgeschwader 52 who ended the war with a ratio of about 15 to 1.
With the number actually estimated higher, because once they passed 10000 they stopped counting.

These asses are angry that they got their asses handed to them and now because they made the wrong decision of fighting us they have turned the world into jewish pajeet mudslime trans nigger heaven.

>>516711895
deine oma and dein opa sind überall mit getrocknetem amerikanischen sperma bedeckt

>>516710561
You can find the history of Northrops flying wings online and nothing about them all all is related to the shit German model. They're not even remotely the same type of plane, while Northrops designs were always bombers. It is a continuation all the way through, and you're so desperate that you are looking into the Northrop anaylsis of the Horten in terms of its radar signature, which was relatively low MERELY BY CHANCE NOT DESIGN, and attributing that to Northrops later designs which had specifically designed radar coating on them, something entirely different. Nothing that exists in post war aviation is from Germany, not a single thing. You focused on all the wrong things and the technology that is todays aviation/jet industry is directly from British-American tech and every book and research paper on jet technology shows this.

>>516710946
Look for "soviet secondary archive, kgb" or words to that effect. Ye´ll learn.

>>516702699 (OP)
Hitler fanboys need them to be ubermensch, that's why
>>516703097
Also true

>>516711746
>had Army Group Centre not diverted south
So instead you're going to leave 1 million Red Army soldiers ready to rain down on the advancing flank.

>losing the capital city
Moscow wasn't even the capital at that point, so I don't see why not. Most historians agree that Moscow likely wouldn't have been decisive.

>Plus the added benefit of the Soviets losing their major industrial centre and transport hub.
True, but then again, Germany still faces the exact same problem in 1942 as they did IRL, even with a captured Moscow. They still need oil, and the Red Army will simply operate from behind Moscow.
In fact there may even be less men and material available for Case Blue if the Germans gives everything to capture Moscow, which was a huge city.

>>516710841
Meaningless. Ye lie, whether ye know it or not. "kgb archieve secondary". Look into that shit.

>>516704162
There are a few Japs on the list, some Soviets but no Americans

>>516710701
Never trust a fat person
This was a major misstep by Hitler

>>516709462
>Axis military losses on the eastern front were around 5 million.
No, GERMAN military losses were about 5.3M, not counting other German allies.

>>516712118
Are you fucking kidding didn't even claim that.
I said Northrop said Germany was at least 20 years ahead of them you turd.

>>516713236
look at how you are splitting hairs all thread KEK

>>516711969
Grandfather actually nearly got killed for preventing a group of Russian soldiers raping everyone in his village, he also prevented the priest from making everyone in the commit an hero in fear of the Russians.

Also nice reply to numbers.

>>516703927
He might chimp out and start shooting up the base thats why.

>>516712160
well considering they were right about almost everything

>>516702699 (OP)
notoriously over inflated numbers

>>516712896
German losses on the eastern front was not 5.3 million. How many did they lose on the western front then? In North Africa, Atlantic, Italy, France? 100 men?

>>516713439
>Grandfather actually nearly got killed for preventing a group of Russian soldiers raping everyone in his village, he also prevented the priest from making everyone in the commit an hero in fear of the Russians.
your opa probably didnt do jack shit and you are making this up tranny
>deine oma and dein opa sind überall mit getrocknetem amerikanischen sperma bedeckt
is the truth

>>516713612
at least the brown people in Britain are not over inflated, thats for sure

>>516713362
I talked about machine guns in that regard not planes you fucking idiot.
Also you took tons of scientists.
The entire reason you could even complete with Russia in the space race was because you were reliant on our tech.
Yet you always fucked it up because you cannot fucking convert.
Not even in your own fucking system.
You are the nation that uses fractions for nearly everything, yet a burger failed because a majority of your people believed that 1/3 is less than 1/4, since 3 is less than 4.

>>516711403
>some guy claims something about someone else
Kek

>>516702699 (OP)
You can’t collect trillion $$$ over 80 years unless you tell them they were hyper efficient and are thus guilty for everything
>Compliment + Take Money
In reality Germany got clapped and the Russian death toll is actually the Krauts’.

>>516713439
Amazing that Russians spared your grandfather after Germany murdered 35 million of them. Have you thanked Russian anons for the mercy shown towards your grandfather?

>>516713759
cope krautcuck

>>516712269
Look into the third one
You'll learn

>>516713625
And your grandparents raped little girls and boys in WWII, Vietnam and Korea, because they are disgusting pedos.
Your mother is also your fathers rape victim and was forced to marry him, they are also cousins.

>>516713883
He's talking nonsense and likely autistic. Iceland has a huge problem with inbreeding. Not even joking.

>>516713801
considering it was a preventive war, no

>>516713915
>And your grandparents raped little girls and boys in WWII
cope chances are you're the pedo among us. germans are sick sexual deviants wheras anglos are usually very prudent with sex

>>516713763
Doesn't fucking know who Khrushchev was.

>>516713439
>Grandfather actually nearly got killed for preventing a group of Russian soldiers raping everyone in his village
Kek this old lie?
Also I'm sure red army veterans that just went through one of the most brutal wars in history where stopped by some German kid...
Prob a lie to cope with picrel

>>516714031
Jimmy Saville, Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell want a word with you

>>516714031
If you are white in the US you are more likely of German ancestry you fool.

>>516713620
Well if you start looking at more than 1 source you'll find different numbers, up to 7-9M so idk. Some are incompetent, some are lying. Russians won though

>>516714041
The guy that hated and blasted Stalin once he died, seems reliable...

>>516710854
yeah enjoy the world you "won", kike.

>>516714124
Some abo rape baby by exiled criminals and a group of people who could neither invent a bow or wheel obviously does not know the difference between Austria and Germany despite some many people constantly getting Austria and Australia wrong.
That is fucking hilarious.

>>516714147
>>516714129
both muhammads

>>516714421
the brits are mohammeds?
youre not wrong

>>516713236
>I said Northrop said Germany was at least 20 years ahead of them you turd.
Absolute bullshit. Do you know how insanely stupid that is to claim such a thing when every German fighter was immediately matched or bettered by Britain alone, nevermind America, and your jets were absolute dogshit that required a cities worth of maintenance man hours for every hour flown? You were never ahead of Britain and by the end of the war we were fucking toying with you. The simple fact of reality is Britain and America essentially being islands in terms of location, focused on aviation and naval power while Germany was always focused on land power given it mostly exists on a flat plain with no land barriers, and wars are modern won by sea and air not by land.

>>516708091
>Stalin admitted behind closed doors he could have never won the war without the others
Would others win without Soviets

>>516714538
look at my flag retard

>>516714281
You realise he does not discredit Stalin with this, but admits to the weakness of the soviet union.
And hating Stalin was a freaking common thing, his fucking doors guards let him die because they feared they might see something embarrassing him if they entered.

>>516703097
That was nice of them to let guys like Fink and Siedel out of the camps on work release to serve their country.

>>516706137
>Gooks
They are proven to be superior soldiers to Americans

>>516714554
Still refuses to actually watch the video by Northrop.
I will believe the experts over you.

>>516714554
ah, yes must be why you never even touched a rocket unless a german one hit your head

>>516708641
>>516708689
>>516705190
Here come the trannies to set the record straight woth their reddit history
>>516703518
Correct. Unlike woth the trannies claimed, Germany was actively winning the war and gaining swathes of territory until US troops began arriving en masse. But the reality is if there had been NO American economic support for the Entente whatsoever, they would have completely lost. Probably in April 1918

>>516714649
youre an even worse nigger shithole than the UK

>>516708752
>tranny from reddit

England will be completely erased in my lifetime and the only thing sad about it is that it's not my doing.
But hey play jewish games win jewish prizes.
The good thing is that the example of ngland will help with TNJMD.

>>516714226
No that's their combined military and civilian losses moron. German military losses were roughly 5.5 million, and you're suggesting 99% of those were on the eastern front. That's retarded. There were bloody battles at Italy, North Africa and France. Also counting the Atlantic and German airspace.

>>516714951
did you ignore the webm too like you do every piece of evidence that germans are losers?

>>516708921
>The USSR was years away from full industrialization

>>516709227
Tranny is posting jewish/soviet sources, I repeat, tranny is posting jewish/soviet sources

>>516714577
As I said earlier, no.
Yet no one wants to admit it.
France already lost, he'll a majority of people was actually quite happy under German rule.

Britain was about to lose without massive US help, he'll if Hitler didn't allow Dunkirk to happen because he still thought he could make peace with Britain they would have been fucked earlier.

The US would have had major issues if they had not had Britain as an access point to Europe and even more problems if the soviets didn't occupy so much of the German forces.
The US usually has the advantage that they never really have to fight on their own home turf.

>>516715184
>Yet no one wants to admit it.
said the coping krautcel who wont admit to getting his shit pushed in by america

>>516714870
>>516714955
>Trannies
>Trannies
>Trannies

You seem obsessed

>>516714392
Your cope is hilarious

>>516714983
>No that's their combined military and civilian losses moron.
No that are the estimates for the Eastern front losses by Glantz and Krivoshev. No German civilians on the Eastern front, imbecile

>>516714668
Wrong again

>>516714781
I already know the shit you're misunderstanding. Studies were carried out later on the Horten to register its radar signature and it showed up as decent for that era, and now idiots like you think this by-chance radar attribute is some secret technology stolen from Germany and is related to the material coating that Northrop later developed that has specifically designed low radar signature qualities. These are entirely different, and if this isn't obvious, then clearly I'm replying to someone that is absolutely retarded. Nothing in WW2 aviation from Germany carried on through the post war/cold war aviation industry. Nothing related to radar signatures, nothing to do with jets and nothing to do with Northrops designs. Had you read anything on the subject you would know this, but your type just desperately clutch at straws hoping any minor connection can be fabricated into something tangible when there is nothing there. In terms of Europe, it was France and Britain that ran aviation technology, with the French having the advantage as historically they have an obsession with aviation, but Germany wasn't even close.

>>516715312
Please don’t shoot any more little kids tranny, mmkay

>>516714851
are you really going to start with this? goddard was launching liquid fuel rockets and experimenting with gyroscopic controls 20 years before germany. the british also successfully developed and implemented rp-3 air to ground rockets. the usa had m8 and hvar ground to ground and air to ground rockets

>>516703927
he'a there to tell the others where to shoot

>>516715325
Westoids have been propagandized into thinking they are elites and soviet's sent human waves with no weapons -except of course the ones they supplied...

>>516709155
>t. Soviet soldier descendant

You ended nothing but yourself. annexing Alsace-Lorraine to lose it after 40 years is not any achievement.

Chimping out for 5 years before losing and getting dismantled is not anything to brag about.

If an inferior existence had to be chosen, it would sure be little Prussia that never survived the shock from Jena-Auerstedt in 1806.

Krauts always wanted to prove something, at the end they simply proved their failure as an civilization.

>>516715298
You were late to the war and not even fighting the main forces.
You had the advantage of french who did not like living in clean orderly cities sabotaging the Germans despite them already having lost.
The German had the options to rate France to the ground and level cities like Paris, but choose not to.
What support could you have gotten if that was done.

>>516715325
I'm actually not sure now so I'll concede.

>>516715618
loser cope
>deine oma and dein opa sind überall mit getrocknetem amerikanischen sperma bedeckt

>>516715184
So you're saying that no Ally country alone would win against the Tripartite coalition. So what's your point ? Or is this the "Germany was alone against the entire world" cope ?
As for Dunkirk, Hitler didn't allow anything, he ordered the retrieving troops to be bombarded but Luftwaffe couldn't scramble due to bad weather, there's a written order and Goring's diary entry that confirm it.

>>516715415
You are cherry picking, they did not focus on the radar testing.
They actually made an error with that if you knew what you were talking about.
Since early on they mention the paint having radar reducing abilities, but when they do the radar testing they actually forget to use the paint or something of similar ability.
They absolutely mention manoeuvrability, speed, flight time and height being superior.

>>516715904
>You are cherry picking
said the cherrypicking retard. germans were always dogshit when put up against the anglos

>>516715762
Japan was an entirely different and far of front.
Italy was no help at all, they actually were a backstabbing hindrance.
We literally have a saying to this day "Wer sich auf Italiener verlässt, ist verlassen“.
Greece to this day is pissed at us, because they fucked over Italy and we had to come in and save Italy from getting more embarrassed by Greece.

>>516712269
who are you, Jesus? Using the word 'ye', like it's biblical times. kek

>>516704061
indian post

>>516702699 (OP)
They most certainly were close to winning dipshit. They conquered all of Europe singlehandedly against all the odds. Even Spain and Turkey were close to joining them but 1943 led to that plan never happening.
The fear was so strong in 1941 that the US and UK were preparing for last stands in Britain once Russia was knocked out as the entire might of the Wehrmacht would be solely focused on Britain at that point, no more distractions and splitting forces. The extermination of the red army was at a level never seen before, the western allies were in total panic at how rapidly they fell apart. The only thing that ultimately saved them was the huge distances, lack of Russian infrastructure, lack of German motorisation/mechanisation and stretched invasion supply lines.

Stalin actually placed over 1400 large radio bombs around Moscow and its landmarks(inc the Kremlin and St Basils) to simultaneously detonate upon the panzer armies of Guderian rolling into the city, Stalin decided a flattened city and collapsing streets into sewers below was best while he would escape to the Urals on an armoured train. They tested the method first in Kiev, the first long distance radio controlled detonation in history in fact which flattened a street and killed or wounded thousands of Ukrainian/Russian civilians and Axis alliance soldiers.

He kept those devices secretly in place around the city until August 1943 after Kursk when German defeat was now 100% guaranteed and from that point on was a fighting retreat and all chances of threats were officially over.

>>516715325
Asked skynet to double check, tho AI is usually wrong on numbers so im not going to dance around it, still, it seems to confirm with me on the 2:1 ratio which I said earlier.

It's actually difficult to determine eastern front casualties, one reason is because the Germans simply stopped taking records during 1945, but historians estimate that they suffered some 2 million military casualties that half-year alone.

>>516716131
That is why you had a German show you how to actually train soldiers and perform in the field to the point the German guys teachings are still to this day the basis of your military training.

Bet you didn't even know that.

>>516710769
>>516710244
the insane tallies are more of a result of exaggeration for personal ego and state propaganda, with a shit ton of confusion, lack of information and "eye-balling" everything on the battlefield
many germ soldiers were making shit up, to make a ton of money or advance their career
so ofc they ended up shooting down gorillions of ally planes, when their homeland was turned into rubble by bombing raids at the same time

but its not like only germs had that problem
same thing with bongs and russians destroying entire battalions of tigers with their shitty rocket runs and americans sinking the entire jap navy and erasing german land forces on a single run guys they swear theyve seen it with their own eyes

>>516716399
cope. shouldnt have been so dogshit at war

>>516715904
>They absolutely mention manoeuvrability, speed, flight time and height being superior.
Total bullshit. Total fabricated bs. There is literally nothing proven about this at all and the jets it had couldn't match the 606mph of the Gloster Meteor F.4. You literally live in a fantasy world that is verified by nothing but your own cope and lies.

>>516716523
>That is why you had a German show you how to actually train soldiers
Lafayette wasnt german. he was french

>>516715578
Is that a poll ? It's in French. Who did they ask ?
>>516715672
There's nothing to concede because I'm saying there are no definite numbers.
However, there are a few things that nobody disputes:
>German losses at the end of the war were underreported. Some say they tried to hide it, some say their system broke down but they were massively underreported (ca 1.2M total iirc)
>85% of German prisoners in Russia returned home vs 44% Russian POWs or more dramatically 15% German POWs died vs 56% Russian POWs, we're talking millions here but they are counted as military losses and they definitely contributed to lopsided numbers

>>516716289
So "Germany against the whole world" cope. I get it.
>Japan, Italy
You know Tripartite pact had 10 countries do you

>>516716534
Basically every historian agrees that the German air force statistics are among the best in regards to their accuracy.
The major issues being more of them not counting certain shit thus actually under representing achievements.

Of course it is Polack spouting this bullshit.

You fuckers had to literally strap bombs to dogs and donkeys to even achieve anything.

>>516710636
Whose numbers do you believe anon

>>516716911
>Basically every historian agrees that the German air force statistics are among the best in regards to their accuracy.
stop lying achmed

>>516716890
How much did they contribute
We are talking about the four victors of WWII, but was it only 4 that fought against them?
You are fucking retarded.

>>516716649
Watch the fucking video

>>516716488
>singlehandedly

Cos they lost a war, then conquered all of europe

Thats historical madness
But they forgot Russia had Gods too

>>516714389
>yeah enjoy the world you "won", kike.
Dude just because your world is fucked doesn’t mean you have to be negative about it. Be glad for the Jews, they won and theirs will be like Paradise on Earth without fucking bad mood goy like you.

>>516716662
Steuben you fool

>>516716995
If I was Achmed I would talk about how great and important turkey was.

>>516716488
>They conquered all of Europe singlehandedly against all the odds.
Only France was significant, and the entire strategy for Case Yellow was a massive gamble that could have ended in disaster from the slightest factors. It literally would have been enough if the French scouted the Ardene once or put two divisions at Sedan, or simply have acted on German invasion plans which they had literally captured.

>Even Spain and Turkey were close to joinin
They were never close of joining.
Turkey even signed a military alliance with Britain in 1939, and they were absolutely not going to join while Italy was doing their whole "Our sea" bullshit.
The fact that you even believe Franco was close to join the axis shows your ignorance as well.
Even if he did, Spain would have been a liability for Germany. Another mouth to feed with an ineffective military.

>The entire might of the Wehrmacht would be solely focused on Britain
Ah yes the British were so afraid that the German soldiers were just gonna swim across.

>The only thing that ultimately saved them
You can't say "the only thing" and then continue to name like ten different factors. It's a dishonest use of your language.

>>516716911
you are so fucking wrong its almost hilarious
germs overestimated their statistics a lot
the most blatant example would be tank "kills"
with germs "destroying" hunderds of burger tanks, while in reality burgers were fixing the tracks, changing some parts and sending the tank back into action
every time some ally tank was stopped for whatever reason, it was counted as eliminated, whether it was recoverable or not

also bombs on dogs were a russian idea
and donkeys were actually your idea after you brilliantly kicked in the door on the rotting soviets, but instead of the doors falling apart, you just broke your leg

try actually reading some period books and reports
and the accuracy of german statistics went out of the window after they started losing

>>516703097
saved.
nice.
also, imagine the jewnited states getting beaten in aerial combat by the tiny country of romania.
ahhahahahahaha

>>516717621
Polacks can only lie, hasn't changed in forever.
You are still pissy you buts were kicked in so fast you couldn't even blink.
Now you are kissing Ukraine's ass despite them having historically done you worse than we did, but you still cannot get over how fast you got your ass handed to you by us.

>>516716579
curse vishnu and denounce JD Vance

>>516717336
The homosexual that was expelled from Germany, arrived after the war of independence was turned at the Battles of Saratoga, and now German Americans have celebrations of him, German-America Cope Day October 6th where German Americans parade through NYC outnumbering the audience 100:1 as no one is interested in your fake claims to American history.

>>516717079
Post the link faggot.

>>516717899
lol
lmao even
im sure you will win next time hans, nobody will laugh at you then dont worry

>>516704199
That was years later.
The U boats fucked us up massively. There were only a few dozen of them as well during the first period of open hostilities. Had Hitler focused on them before the war instead of the retarded Plan Z, he would have 250-300 high end U boats at the start of hostilities to fully blockade Britain and dominate all of the European waterways. The cost of the two Scharnhost class alone was enough in finances and resources to build 100 Type VII U-boats.
50 U boats of mixed types almost starved Britain to death.

Actual estimates put it at 300 U-boats by the time of hostilities would have completely and utterly strangled the entire British economy in less than 10 months of operations and forced a surrender through starvation of resources and food with an estimated 4000 British merchant ships sunk. That's not including time reduction with focused mass attacks by the Luftwaffe.

Hitler decided it was time to mass produce U Boats only in mid 1943 when it was far too late as technology, increased aircraft patrol ranges and convoy escort tactics made it obsolete. All the physical resources wasted on the Kriegsmarine at that point SHOULD have been pumped into the Luftwaffe and Heer.

The Battle of the Atlantic was the most important theater of the European war. It's far too often overlooked and its a tragedy. Those men on all sides were true heroes as the death rate was horrific same with RAF Bomber Command as the latter actually had the biggest single losses in manpower and materiel in the war for Britain at over 55,000 KIA(44.4% death rate) and 8300 aircraft shot down.

Even Churchill said the only time he was truly terrified of losing the war was during the U-Boat dominance era.

>>516717032
>How much did they contribute
Way more than zero and you still lost
Without them you'd lose sooner
With them going against you you'd lose even sooner
The very fact they weren't against you
Romania, Finland and Norway provided over 500k men in Barbarossa
You are coping

>>516703097
This is only air to air and does not display for example what Rudel did.