Thread 518518270

Have any of you had a look at these?
https://aicuneiform.com
The kings recount genociding everyone inside the city states they conquered. One king recounts diverting many river systems. They are also obsessed with becoming the "shepherd" of their people and recounting their deeds as king, it seems the highest achievements of a king include diverting rivers, building ships, and creating irrigation systems. The oldest writing in here are all trade receipts or legal documents for loans.

There is a 20 paragraph story from 2100BC where a man is crying and begging the gods to come back, recounting how without the gods inflation has exploded (showing actual price increases) people have lost the will to live and cities have fallen into a depression with no ships coming to the docks.

>>518518270 (OP)
Trust me goy the jewish AI translated it, look they agree with the talmud!
So don’t question the science or it’s meds prison for you goy

>>518518270 (OP)
>There is a 20 paragraph story from 2100BC where a man is crying and begging the gods to come back, recounting how without the gods inflation has exploded (showing actual price increases) people have lost the will to live and cities have fallen into a depression with no ships coming to the docks.
Boy that sounds terrible. Luckily things have gotten better over the intervening 4000 years.

>constantly divert rivers
>starve and sisappear feom history

They really love making their enemies kill their feet. That is one of the few things that remains consistent over millennium.

>>518518472
Kiss their feet* it comes up over and over again

>>518518394
Water's gonna go wherever it wants, and if you fuck with it, it'll kill you. Just like electricity.

>>518518270 (OP)
The most recent forgotten civilization (there have been a few of them) was global and ran by a now extinct advanced race of White giants. These giants took on the title of "god" which meant expert and ruler rather than divine.

>>518518394
Kek

>>518518270 (OP)
Diverting a river away from an enemy's land to your own is pretty based. More based than buying lambos

>>518518270 (OP)
>Ai cunei form

>>518518270 (OP)
>high definition pics of all of them
holy shit this is peak

>>518518790
Everything is sourced back to a HD pic. The search bar doesnt work the best you have to play with it.

>>518518552
>Water's gonna go wherever it wants, and if you fuck with it, it'll kill you.
Literally every single river in Europe has been diverted and controlled somehow. I bet it’s similar in america too. We just got better at it, unlike apparently the mesopotamians who turned their fertile farmlands into deserts

>>518518578
Giant was always a mistranslation. It was closer to “god” or “hero”, and probably referred to proto-indoeuropeans (who were white)

>>518518394
the wheels on the bus go round and round

>>518518908
God or hero clearly means serpent.

>>518518270 (OP)
Maybe I'm just a luddite. But instead of using AI to translate everything, why doesn't it just release a "key" to translating the cuneiform ourselves? This seems like it'd leave lots of errors that could be filled in with human input.

>>518519863
This is a collaborate project between archaeologists, linguists and compsci nerds. This is the 'key' this is not one random guy with chatgpt.

>>518519938
I can support this,then. Just making sure. Thanks

>>518518270 (OP)
>AI
Google Translate can't correctly translate japanese into english, why should I trust "AI" translation of a +7000yo language that even experts in the field don't know how to correctly translate?

>>518520018
Everything is sourced back to HD pics.

>>518520083
This is a collaboration project between archaeologists, linguists and compsci nerds. The best translators give it 95-97% accuracy and they are not solely using AI it is checked before being released. Every single translation links back to a HD pic of the source.

Fuck you are dumb.

>>518518455
Things were fine until the Muslims arrived on the scene.

>>518519055
A race of white serpents??

>>518520252
Medeans*

>>518520252
Things were fine until Enlil did this. A man destroyed E-Kur because of what Inanna did in the underworld so Enlil retaliated.

>>518520409
A lot of them are described as white yes. Certainly the guy who founded Heliopolis and Athens.

>>518520252
The entire middle east was fully green many thousands of years ago but then with the beginning of farming and bad water usage it went to a sandbox shithole. It was already ruined before pisslam even existed.

>>518520252
Muslims didnt exist for 2000 years after mesopotamia fell

>slave-girl of Ur-nigar
https://aicuneiform.com/p/p020#P020464

>>518519863
Lmao. That's like releasing a "key" to translating Chinese. (Yeah, it's called a "dictionary" and no, you won't be able to translate anything even with a dictionary.)

>>518518498
Foot freaks have been around forever it seems. Can't seem to stamp them out.

>>518520468
I don't remember ever reading of Athens' founder. I think they were still a monarchy during the Trojan War and by the time Theseus' father was king it'd been around a couple hundred years I'm assuming. What's the origin story of it found in? Or is it just contained in vague poetic allusions and not a written story?

>>518520480
Syria was a thriving Roman province.
The link between Islam and desertification is well-documented. (It has to do with arabian grazing practices.)

>>518520721
I'm talking about Cecrops and his father. If you recall, many centuries later, Olympia's tries to asset Alexander's divinity by claiming she was impregnated by a serpent.

>>518518270 (OP)
This is great you can search for any word, period, it even has human translations for a number of the entries.

>>518518394
Are there any stories about hebrews?

>>518520945
The search isnt the best unfortunately I have multiple translations with the word 'Nibru' but they do not all show on the search. So you have to play and test it yourself.

>>518518270 (OP)
>https://aicuneiform.com
bump for an interesting thread

>>518519863
Anon, you can take a book and learn Akkadian and cuneiform, it's not some magic witchcraft runes. The point is, translating hundreds of thousands of tablets is easier with a machine, than with humans by hand.

>>518521023
Not yet. But word shekel is used for their currency and the idea of a scape goat, a goat that holds their sins and they then sacrifice appears twice so far.

>>518521095
lmao

>>518520740

They cut down all trees first for houses and city and ship, diverted rivers next, and then graze the sheep. Oh yea every war they burnt the croplands and salted or poisoned the river.

Desertification over thousands of years of it. All over the mid east. Saudi Arabia. Yemen. Iraq. Egypt. Lybia. Syria.The populations were also staggering.

But despite all of it there were also weather events.

Egypt didn't make its pyramids and valley of kings in a desert. Melt from Ethopia didn't flood it. What completely occurred? It's more than bad farming and bad grazing practices. Weather events played a part

Meanwhile California does it in a century. Next century it will be a desert.

>>518521132
The oldest stuff are loan documents and trade receipts kek

>>518521063
Mommsen the Great translated all that ancient Latin by hand. I'll bet it was tedious, but it's not impossible to do it sans machine.

>>518521152
There is nothing aboit poisoning rivers or salting the earth. They are obsessed with water. There is nothing in these translations that suggests they would harm a fresh water source, the opposite, water is life, after they defeat an enemy they take the water, never harm it.

>>518521226
Of course it's possible, it's a question of human hours inputted, but this is why we invented machines, to decrease the necessary amount of work needed.

>>518518270 (OP)
daming rivers and shit is still a problem lot's of countries today fuck each other over with resources

Mass genocide prob meant all the men were killed and everyone else was taken as spoils of war so if your son died you took their boys. If the men died that meant that kingdom or city state was gone forever as noone to defend it

>>518519863
>, why doesn't it just release a "key" t
Are you joking? You understand we already know how to translate cuneiform it's called the Rosetta Stone.

These guys are so obsessed with water they have gods for irrigation canal management, a god for fish management within the canal. Dual purpose water system. When they open a new canal they not only pray, they have a special person who sings, this is sometimes translated to 'screaming'.

The obsession with water is deep.

>>518520740
I meant it was green as Europe is nowadays the same with the Sahara.
Even back in roman times it was already with deserts everywhere. The Romans wrote about ancient cities in the northern half of the Sahara getting eaten by the sand more and more which had to be given up. Then 2000 years later it all became once again much worse.

>>518520434
>...the Gutians, an unbridled people, with human intelligence but canine instincts and monkey's features...
N

>>518520659
It turns out it really is the patricians fetish because they apparently always ruled the world. Makes sense. Worthless peasants see dirty peasant girl hooves and are grossed out but white noblemen see pure white soft princess feet and can't have enough. Footfaggotry belongs to kings.

Interdasting.

>>518521355
the rosetta stone has zero cuneiform on it

>>518521273

Persia versus Babylon diverted the riverways like the Euphrates. So it could seige. Starving the population. Walls were often too thick to breach. They posioned waterways constantly in war and burnt any cropland. It's why they invented reservoirs. Fresh water sources away from any others like rivers. Turkey has some the largest on the planet, under its cities. Of course this is later in history. Israel had with Herod. Many others prior. Fully documented. Trees were cut and turned into timber first. Starting a process they'd never recover from. Any climate warmed and there were a heap of weather events.

Stop arguing it's stupid. The believed water was life yes of course. It didn't stop them weaponising it.

What occurred in the Egyptian civil war?

>>518521398
There was also a mega tsumani engine on both sides of the NE atlantic basin. Africa was consistently hit island flank collapse driven mega tsunamis between 9k-100k BC. In israel in 8k BC we have a confirmed settlement destroyed by a tsumani called 'atlit-yam'. Storegga hit NE Europe. And of course Sundaland is now confirmed to have sank 9k-19k.

>>518521713
That's 1k BC max. Im not looking at shit that early.

>>518521781
That late*

>>518521673
>rosetta stone
>>518521355
>>518519863
My point is that we already decyphered cuneiform hundreds of years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behistun_Inscription

>>518521936
And yet before this project we had only translated 1% of the almost 500k scroll fragments we have. If you are suggesting a person can learn this language within 10 years and begin translating these untranslated fragments, which involve hard science, you would be very wrong.

>>518521717

Upper versus the Lower Kkngdom. It's a lot prior to 1k BC. 1k BCE they had the reservoirs in their cities. These tablets are often much older. Summerian. What's that? 2-3k BCE?

>>518522140
Now you are lying. The the diverting of the Euphrates was 600bc max.

>>518518270 (OP)
This is super cool. Where can I find the one you mentioned of the man crying and begging the gods to come back

>>518522252
This is a screenshot from it give me a min.

>>518518394
Read Shafarevich, Socialism is the Great Filter. The kill-switch of civilization. As long as we can't avoid Socialism, we will always fail to improve after a certain point. This isn't new or ground-breaking, yet we cannot help ourselves for some reason.

https://ia800804.us.archive.org/12/items/SocialistPhenomenon/SocialistPhenomenon.pdf

>>518522074
Akkadian? You can actually, it's hard since the script is Japanese on steroids, and the grammar has all the Semitic nonsense common to it's related languages, like changing vowels within a word to change it's meaning.
Summerian is harder, you'd probably need to learn Akkadian first, and then there is the problem of us still not knowing a lot since it's a language isolate, so you can't cross reference with similar or derived languages.

>>518520829
Oh I knew she made that claim but didn't know it had anything to do with a serpent. I'll have to look up Crecrops, I just know that time period by Arrian's Anabasis pretty much. Ty though

>>518521182
Probably written by jews too.

>>518522580
>Summerian is harder, you'd probably need to learn Akkadian first, and then there is the problem of us still not knowing a lot since it's a language isolate, so you can't cross reference with similar or derived languages.
I was reading Chaldean Magic a while back and the author would contrast some of his translations with those of his contemporaries and it's wild how different a few of them were.

>>518522580
How do you do this without being rich enough not to work?

>>518522252
Its 'P469683' dated 1.9-1.6k BC and it appears again

tfw the sumerians had central bankers too

>>518522774
Have your hobby be learning languages, so you do it in your spare time.
I learned kanjis in 6 months while riding the bus so i can read VNs/Mangas. If you want Akkadian you can just get a grammar book and read it for start, and forget about the cuneiforms, since the Akkadians were Sumeraboos and not only had like 2000 symbols of their own, they mixed them with Sumerian logograms as well. It's perfect writable with Latin Script, and you'll almost immediately be able to do simple sentences like Annaku sharum sha Babili.

They love beer too and historically beer brewing appears about 3000 years before agriculture. We do have microgardens from 23k BC. Even the official date for hot metallurgy is under doubt after a copper bar and copper droplets were found pushing that back from 5k BC to 9k BC.

There's a lot missing here.

>>518518270 (OP)
>cunny form texts

the AI translation is trash as in this example it lists the number of people who were slain but that actually translates to sing/rejoice
https://aicuneiform.com/p/p333#P333954

>>518522221

The Egyptians diverted the Nile constantly. They had canals, and tributaries watering cropland, they had flood plains and marshland. They still do today. Except it's a much larger desert.

Stop being silly. What are we arguing. Think when you say something to me. Think. The destruction of Babylon or the diversion of waterways into canals and waterways?

Where you argued they didn't poison in war because they respected a DESERT?

Think

>>518523338
The final 'human' translation is done with a human who can read the language unlike you. That is why most do not have it yet.

>>518523066
>There's a lot missing here.
Gumerians love beer, simple as

>>518523388
>they diverted the Euphrates and poisoned the rivers
>but-but muh Nile
Fucking kek you missed by almost 2k years.

>>518523066
That's the primary reason I switched from archaeology to a new field. I absolutely could not fucking stand my colleague's inability to question anything. The current understanding is absolute and infallible, we already know everything, nothing is missing, nothing is unknown, if you wonder about anything then you're a retard and pushing pseudo-history/science and are anathema.
Anatomically modern humans, people just like us, have existed for at least 300,000 years. Going by our modern brain size, this still means that we have existed for at least 150,000 years. The anatomical difference between these two is really quite marginal, so we'll go with the former.
300,000 years - three hundred thousand. What the fuck did people see in this insane amount of time? Where did they go? What landmasses did they live and build societies on that are now hundreds of feet underwater, like Doggerland? In general. What animals did they see that no longer exist, that we never found any fossils of? What levels of metallurgy and astronomy did they have?
We're meant to believe that for THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND YEARS humanity did absolutely NOTHING, and it was only within the last 6,000 years or so that civilization proper began. Then Gobekli Tepe doubled that number, yet we still act like our known history is concrete and absolute.

>>518522754
>Chaldean Magic
That book is amazing, I love it so much. One of the most interesting books I've ever read. Great taste anon.

>>518523797
This is a sad read. Anatomically correct humans appear with weapons too at the same time 300k years ago.

What would your colleagues say about the two confirmed sites that are dated 470k-500k years ago showing built infrastructure. One is in Zambia the other in the Amazon. You shouldn't give up because of them. Just in the last 5 years bro there have been so many fucking discoveries archaeology is entering a boom.

>>518523533

If Egypt was doing this, correct. Thousands of years earlier. Use your brain. Babylon or Summeria was diverting the Tibris and the Euphrates. Yes? Correct. Standard irrigation methods. Prior to today's desertification and river retreat there would've been heaps of tributaries and flood plains and marshland. Yes?

Where they cut down tree, make pasture, make crop land. Oops climate, drought, locust, wildfire, flooding, earthquake.

Not to mention brutal war. Where they burned cropland. They also poisoned rivers and watering holes of areas surrounding the city state, the city with walls war run inside its fortified. Sometimes they'd dam or divert a river from a city being seiged. Because they made walls like Jericho. Or Constantinople much later. Later they started making big huge reservoirs for these cities to withstand seige. So they couldn't divert waterways into it, or poison it

>>518523797
>Gobekli Tepe
I'm not in the field proper (marginally at best) but I do know a bunch of archaeologists and you literally cannot mention this without being called a tinfoil hatter, it's fucking weird. Granted, I know a lot of weirdos write fanfic about it but is it really enough to basically disregard its existence wholesale? Archeobros need to chill and lean into the as of yet unknown wonders of humanity again.

>>518523995
The fact your opening argument was wrong means anything else you say is questionable. I also question your motives. Why is it so important to you that you are right that you would get something so trivial incorrect when it was your first argument.

>>518523797
Tbf anon, civilization requires a certain concentration of people to start happening. Look at places like the North Sentinel islands, or some places deep in the Amazon and Africa. Humans are perfectly fine with living as hunter gatherers with low numbers for very long periods of time, and without agriculture, there isn't a need to build more permanent than huts, as you'll be moving around. And even then, rural people from 500 years ago didn't live all that different from ones 6000 years ago, the rapid change in lifestyles is a very modern thing.

>>518518270 (OP)
All this will prove is all previous translations were impossibly wrong.

>>518518270 (OP)
based schizo thread

>>518524291
>Humans are perfectly fine with living as hunter gatherers with low numbers for very long periods of time, and without agriculture, there isn't a need to build more permanent than huts
Gobekli tepe and the 5+ other similar sites we have found disproved this idea awhile ago, agricultural society is not required for the building of monumental structures that last hundreds of thousands of years. It isnt required for beer brewing either.

Even the review of the over kill hypothesis last year which gained new evidence, even that posits that we came together in huge groups using complex traps, during hunts that could last weeks, to send 46 megafauna extinct.

The Sumerian laws are pretty hilarious about prostitutes.

>If a man whose wife has not born him a child, but a prostitute from the town square has born him a child, that prostitute's grain ration, oil ration, and wool ration he shall provide to her; the child that she has born to him shall be his heir; however long his wife is alive, the prostitute with the equal-ranking wife shall not reside in the house.

>>518524174
Gobekli Tepe is covered in astronomical symbols and serves as proof that even 12,000 years ago people had already mapped the night sky and had a profoundly advanced understanding of the celestial bodies. Not only this, what we see is one of an estimated 20 (conservatively) sites - Gobekli Tepe is actually an absolutely massive COMPLEX of sites, not a single site. Why was it buried - and why so hastily? We know this because one pillar fell over and wasn't even properly stood back up during this burying. Why does one of the pillars bear an identical symbol to one found on the back of the body of several moai? We will never know the truth at this rate, especially pertaining to Egypt. So much has been destroyed and covered up. Not even just conspiratorily but out of pure hubris. Many archaeologists stake their entire careers on being right, and they can't handle being proven wrong. So much has been lost forever.

>>518523955
I looked up the one in Zambia, very interesting, but can you show me a source about the Amazon one? I can't find anything and this would be revolutionary as I don't think Humans were in South America that early.

>>518524426
Follow the iconography.

>>518524610
And I'm going to be very blunt - we know exactly what these pillars are saying: death from above, coinciding with the 12,000 years figure directly coinciding with the Younger Dryas, the date that Plato gives for the destruction of Atlantis, and the disappearance of the Clovis culture. SOMETHING happened. Whatever it was is irrelevant. We know two things: something catastrophic happened, and these people tried to immortalize it in stone. Whether we say this was a global flood or meteor or volcanic eruption or solar flare or whatever other flavor, it doesn't matter. I don't care how conspiratorial or pragmatic someone is on this topic because everything is on the table. We have no idea what exactly happened at this time, but to say that something didn't requires willfully ignoring every shred of fucking evidence that is staring us right in the face.

>>518524509
It's not a necessary requirement, but it is very unlikely to be done without it, as it would essentially amount to autism, since you'll be labouring for long hours cutting rocks and building shit you'll just leave, it would at least have to be a place frequently returned to. I think in North America the natives also had some large stone structures and a city like place they visited every once in a while, but primarily living as hunter gatherers.

>>518524201

I think you have autism. What happened in the Egyptian Civil War. Upper and Lower Kingdom. Go learn something. Picture any phenomenon elsewhere.

It's hard to say what occurred exactly, except it wasn't a desert. We theorise it was a gradual process, and blame bad pasteurisation. Except the Sinai was fertile. The region wasn't a desert. Yemen has the lost city known as Atlantis of the Sands. Anyhow it was the cradle of civilisation. Until they changed that today to lucy the monkey. Where they used a dowsing stick and shouted here lies the spot with the missing link. Woke people changed it to Sudan away from Mespotamia.

In any case the description I provided suggests it isn't as simple as migratory herds of sheep. It was a number of changes over thousands of years. I think bigger climate events played a larger part. As well as human stupidity, listed.

>>518524765
i prefer topography and etymology, but it all leads to the same rabbit holes anyways

>>518524611
FUUUCK I misread the Amazon one. It's 500BC my bad. Some suggesting 1.5kBC but yeah I was completely wrong. The Zambia one is legit.

>>518521717

mfw niggas dunno about the alit

>>518524876
Are there any theories on why 28% of the animals depicted at gobekli tepe snakes?

>>518524890
Of course I have autism.

>>518524989
I want to scuba dive in that hole

This is very interesting, just search up an interesting word. Comet, lightning, weapon, crown.

I'm looking up the word grove, I have this theory that the first temples were simply a stone or altar, then the next evolution of that was the grove surrounding the stone, finally other stones would be erected in a circle and at last the entire thing would be roofed over with a temple and encased, usually with a new altar directly located over the old one.

In fact under that altar of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre they found the old stone circle that was erected in that same spot way back in Exodus, IIRC.

The laws seem to be made up as shit happens listing specific incidents that I guess happened and a judge ruled thus making a new law. Must have been impossible to track all these over time
https://aicuneiform.com/p/p464#P464355
Like the one about a neighbors house being on fire and instead of putting it out the neighbor looted it's furnishings instead

>>518525100

i should point out the left side monolith (10,000 years old) is not israel it is off coast of sicily, right is the alit in israel

>>518524902
Feel free to dump relevant images

>>518518374
you seem unhealthily obsessed.

>>518518270 (OP)
>The focus should be on making money and not being “right.” When you make that transition as a trader, you start to see markets differently.

many such cases

>>518519054
>canadian
>posts indian wheel thing of life
Gosh

>>518518394
The rich have always screwed the poor

>>518518270 (OP)
Very interesting and I found a researcher who pieced together the first 100k or so and especially regarding the problem of lending money at interest. The lenders wanted 20% but this could not be found unless gold brought in or stolen, and back then if one could not pay they and their whole families fell into slavery.
https://archive.org/details/banjo-billy/G_d%201%20-%20SumerianSwindle/
>>518521390
Did you hear of the river test (pic rel)? He alleges the lenders cheated so they hardly ever won and for adultery lovers were tied together and subjected to it to see if innocent or not
>>518521152
This narrative is one I heard argued strongly by a Jewish professor at University. An alternate, the standard before 1945 in academia, not just the German scientists who noticed a link of semitic languages and separate from the aryan languages, but also a link of standard white farming and civilization practices. In Sumeria they had blacksmiths, wagons, beer, aquaduct and farming tech, just endless hings of white european peoples. After ww2 they consider this controversial to think could have been white people, this is taking too much pride, or trying to theft they argue. So it just popped up elsewhere and died there. This book covers how people fell into debt through the scam of usury, and how the nomadic merchant type people came to be lenders. These nomadic peoples were semites and as they took over (the merchant language became Aramaic across the world for a long time), acquired the farms, then brought in lower quality immigrants to work them, the region fell into disrepair. The salting of farms was a myth or a symbolic likely unless they literally had tech to flood with ocean water. I suspect it is a demographics issue and could be just as abundant again today. Farming is an understated talent of white people. But we are not supposed to acknowledge the decline that happens when the demographics change

>>518525143
Do you have the name of the Sicilian one?

>>518524949
Yeah it's very interesting how early basic engineer could have come, but if it was all done in wood, I don't have high hopes we'll be able to discover a lot of it. Another great find was the lebombo bone, which shows a math tool from like 50k years ago.

>>518523955
Speaking of, we know now from LiDAR mapping that practically the entire amazon is full of villages, pyrmaids, and massive roads, all previously invisible from above because of being buried under the canopy. Nobody has any idea who any of this shit even belonged to because nobody has ever been to any of it.

>>518518908
>unlike apparently the mesopotamians who turned their fertile farmlands into deserts
the water of both the Tigris and the Euphrates is salty. not salty enough to taste salty, but salty enough that if you irrigate with it for a mere 8000 years, it will fuck up the soil.

>>518525257

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantelleria_Vecchia_Bank_Megalith

>>518525137
>instead of putting it out the neighbor looted it's furnishings instead
Now I understand why the Sumerians called themselves Black Heads.

>>518524902

Yep meteorites. They leave a big huge trail as they impact. Snakes. Hence they crapped their fucking pants every single time a comet went by and worshipped it. Every eclipse they shat themselves. It stopped wars. It caused them kneel down. They believed the Moon Ishtar killed her husband the Sun. She birthed a Satan killing the planet. Not quite.

We entered a meteor stream, like the taurids and wallop we got hit. Snakes everywhere. Snakes worshipped. No please don't eat us have our daughters instead.

>>518525021
It's almost certainly astronomical like most (not all) of the others. There are a handful of guesses as far as exactly what it's referring to or at least once did refer to. It's also simple symbolism; humans have always innately understood that serpents = danger and death.

>>518519863
Academics have to edit out problematic parts first so no

>>518518394
lol

>>518525233
No I did not I had no idea someone put it together.

>>518525308
I got the Amazon date wrong its 500BC 1.5k BC max. Zambia is legitimate pre anatomically correct human.

>>518523797
comparing to the ancients, today people live like dogs and the worst goy cattle imaginable
they will of course tell you how that is not the case
>behold all this shiny tech
>enjoying vidya and ai gf?
literal dust in your eyes, things used to be lot more fun back in the days, even several hundred years ago
>t. alive for 5k+ years, inb4 larp
open your eyes

Sounds exactly like the israelite kings in the Bible.
Why exactly do we as westerners pay any attention and respect to these savage iron-age sandniggers who's god's are either unironic demons or angry control-freaks?

>>518525158
>>518525372
lots of similarities with egypt as well

>>518525603

they needed terrifying gods back then to keep the niggers in line
you think society is bad now, imagine back then with no DNA evidence or body cams

>>518525400
I followed the naga iconography and serpent fixation back through history. I dont believe it to be expressed anywhere before the reptilian figures were found at 5k BC in mesopotamia. From there it appears in every mythos degrading year 0 into kings claiming serpent ancestry to prove royal divinity. What are you thoughts on this?

>>518520548
>14 shabu-priests, 10 Esikil, 5 malahs, 4 geshkinti, 3 mugs, 5 nars,

>>518525337
Yeah nice, doesn’t look like the avg joe can go there though

>>518519054
That song should be replaced with, "I like to kill niggers, yes I do" and "Everyone has a place in society and I know mine." Maybe even such hits as, "Females are also inferior in every way, plenty of sunshine plenty a day." That would cure the youth of all aliments.

>>518525372

it probably all comes from the rainbow snake, the cosmic plasma event that neolithics saw 12,000 years ago in the sky

>>518521390
>let’s go scream at the river

>>518525259
>Lebombo bone, which shows a math tool from like 50k years ago
I hadnt heard of this before nice

>>518525593
I think the biggest problem is that people have simply become detached from their own experiential reality. Everything is reduced to an endless series of abstractions, and living in a city especially reinforces this. What is natural and innate has been completely ablated. We've learned now that this cannot be done without causing catastrophic consequences.
I like to ask people - when was the last time you actually stopped? All-caps STOPPED. Cleared your mind of all the bullshit - forget the internet and cars and rent and loan payments and credit score and medical bills and politics and so on, and all of the post-judeo-masonic enlightenment "knowledge" that's been crammed into your head.
Inspected your hands, realizing that you are alive and how amazing that is. Looked around at nature. Gone to a dark sky park and just looked up, realizing you in fact aren't looking up at all, you're looking out and /into/ something. Looked at the moon or trees or animals as if you had never seen any of them before and have no idea what they actually are. Focused on breathing, on feeling, on drinking and eating, literally anything to break the hypnosis and make you realize that you are ALIVE: and then followed your logic and beliefs and understanding of life, the world, and your place in it from there, in natural progression, followed to logical endpoint, not based on abstract systems that have been fed to you by government or peer?
You, universally, are going to be met with "I don't think I've ever done that" - and that is exactly the problem.

>>518523797
I believe it's an issue an issue with egos. Archeologist who have spent their entire lives in their craft, don't want to be proven wrong.

>>518523797
i agreed with you until you brought up Gobekli Tepe schizo shit. your colleagues are right

>>518525593
Come to India if you want to live like ancient times.

>>518522754
>>518523911
Lenormont or cooper? There’s two books by that name. I want to read the one you are talking about

>>518525372
If this is correct it means every peoples around the world interpreted it as a snake or serpent independent of each other. I am unsure if its possible for that to happen, people interpret things in different ways.

>>518519863
I like this idea also make it like captha let people translate it then we can judge the most average translations and compare it to the ai translation and see if theres any error

>>518523797
>I absolutely could not fucking stand my colleague's inability to question anything. The current understanding is absolute and infallible, we already know everything, nothing is missing, nothing is unknown, if you wonder about anything then you're a retard and pushing pseudo-history/science and are anathema.
what a profoundly anti-science mindset to take in a scientific field, what the fuck lmao

>>518518394
Kek

>>518525864
>I like to ask people - when was the last time you actually stopped? All-caps STOPPED. Cleared your mind of all the bullshit - forget the internet and cars and rent and loan payments and credit score and medical bills and politics and so on, and all of the post-judeo-masonic enlightenment "knowledge" that's been crammed into your head.
>Inspected your hands, realizing that you are alive and how amazing that is. Looked around at nature. Gone to a dark sky park and just looked up, realizing you in fact aren't looking up at all, you're looking out and /into/ something. Looked at the moon or trees or animals as if you had never seen any of them before and have no idea what they actually are. Focused on breathing, on feeling, on drinking and eating, literally anything to break the hypnosis and make you realize that you are ALIVE: and then followed your logic and beliefs and understanding of life, the world, and your place in it from there, in natural progression, followed to logical endpoint, not based on abstract systems that have been fed to you by government or peer?
Yesterday.

>>518518270 (OP)
>>518518760

Cunney form :D

>>518525806
Serpents appear before sky/lighting gods appear.

>>518525906
that's exactly the opposite of how science works-- but you wouldn't know that since you get your news and info from gay podcasts and slop youtube channels

if someone had the chance to completely upend our understanding of the world they'd pounce on it in an instant. nobody is hiding shit , retard

>>518526020
he's literally lying

>>518525806
Out of curiosity what do you personally think caused it? Symbols of an Alien Sky is my absolute favorite schizo documentary of all time, but I disagree on the dating of these events put forth by it. I think it makes the mistake of attributing the classical mythoi to their civilizations, when in reality, the mythos of the Hellenes for example predates classical Greece by thousands of years. By the time of Greek antiquity, the landscape was already heavily dotted with heroa of gods and men forgotten so long ago that nobody even knew who or what these things were built to honor anymore.

>>518525806
>plasma enjoyers

>>518525806
This image I dont know how he came to this conclusion without assuming the first Veda, the Rigveda is the oldest text on earth, which is a controversial claim. Indra is the first true serpent slaying god we see appear, he slays the Vrtra serpent and releases the water, this is dated to 1.5k BC. Its almost 3000 years too late.

>>518525986
I was talking about the one by Lenormant, I didn't even know about Cooper. It's on the Internet Archive for free if you want to give it a shot

>>518526268
After this serpent slaying tale, we see it appear everywhere too. The serpent at Awre is killed by the son of Solomon in Ethiopia, in Tataratan we see the founding of the first city connected to serpent slaying etc etc it goes on. So we see the idea appear and then we see it spread.

>>518518472
>really love making their enemies kiss their feet.
Sooo...uhm... they were into foot porn?

>>518526195
It is a VERY well known phenomenon that archaeologists (and historians) are some of the most neurotic, condescending motherfuckers on thhe face of the earth. There is a certain orthodoxy that is absolutely sacrosanct and inviolable, and anyone who goes against that orthodoxy is branded a conspiracy theorist or pseudoscientific nutjob. Even something as simple as saying "maybe this place was inhabited earlier than we previously thought" can be enough to get you essentially excommunicated from the greater archaeological milieu.

>>518518270 (OP)
>humans can't translate it
>AI can make shit up and you have to trust it

>>518525806
do you know what happen if earth stops spinning, right?

>>518525137
>The laws seem to be made up as shit happens listing specific incidents
That’s called case law today and westlaw, lexis nexis and Bloomberg are just a few of the databases that keep track of it.

>>518518578
Archaeologists recently even unearthed this VHS recording, it's true.

>>518524902
Wasn't Abraham a (((Caldean))) from Ur?

Enki set his iron arrow to the pole star. That's something, the compass obviously.

>>518525504
It's interesting. He paints Sumerians as quite enlightened and lovers of daily life (picrel) but fell victim to the lending trap most still can't understand. The merchant moneylender guilds had kings permissions to travel safely, and were welcomed by the high ups for their luxuries and info, and so surpassed these kings in intelligence and networking, causing wars. On that seedier side were also the women who ran the taverns providing prostitutes and the sailors, ships, and wharfs where they kept the sailors segregated from the populace. So this type of pirate culture goes long back and stretched from Britain to India even back then, though they just hugged the coast and went from port to port. The Temples operated as banks for instance you could pay a ransom to the local temple to get someone released in another city, or move money, but more than for merchants it was more the overall community and provided rations or loans to people in need.

Apollo also had an arrow that pointed to the pole star. Obviously another allusion to the compass.

>>518526020
anon, (((science))) is about convincing other retards that what you say is true and not about doing anything actually useful .It is just grift. Just see what's pushing advancement and you will see a lot of engineers that need to actually produce results and very few (((scientist))) who just need to lie convincingly for grants.
there is a reason why a lying jew is their patron saint

>>518518394
this world is a complete shitshow with clownery BS on top

One of these guys with the monumental inscriptions is boasting of refurbishing a temple which existed before the flood and whose foundation pavement was laid "by no man."

This is just delightful.

>>518526276
Thanks

>>518526504
> @0:20 the elephants are walking backwards
nice try anon

>>518526690
I noticed from reading the fragments that the intelligence leaving is repeatedly stated first to describe a city's fall. In one of the fragments when Inanna returns from the underworld she gives a fly permission to stay at the taverns. Have you read anything about shipments being sent somewhere as tribute to the gods? Not part of normal trade but leaving on ships.

>Abdi-Milkuti, king of Sidon, who does not fear my lordship, does not listen to the words of my lips, who trusted in the great sea and took the yoke of the god Ashur.

>Sidon, his fortress which is in the sea, I surrounded with a flood. I tore down its walls and its dwellings, then I added them to the sea and destroyed the place where it stood. Abdi-Milkuti, its king, fled from my weapons in the middle of the sea. By the command of the god Ashur, my lord, like a fish from the sea I seized him and cut off his head. His wife, his sons, his daughters, a crown, a gun, and linen garments, elephant hides, elephant ivory, ebony, and boxwood, whatever is his own property, the treasure of his palace, I carried off. His extensive people, who were without number, oxen, sheep and donkeys, for the treasure of your father, into Assyria I brought.

NIGGAS HAD GUNS BACK IN SUMERIA!

>>518518270 (OP)
Anything that's mind blowing or incredible from the texts?

>>518518552
Hello nigerian fucktard.

>>518526945
They say only 10 percent of history is known rest is all a mystery. Wouldnt be supprised if they really wersuper advances back then with advanced technology. They might have had flying ships and even mobile communication devices and even TVs and other crazy shit we just dont know. Imagine living in the caveman days and finding s smart phone you would keep it hidden wouldn't you?

>>518527173
Do you have anything on the 9 candle one?

>>518518908
Giant bones have been found all across the world, it's not a mistranslation

>>518526450
we all die in a mach 3 windstorm?
>>518526751
it's very anti-baconian imo, what you're describing sounds more like a hijack by international jewry and female-type social climbing behaviors

>>518526245

if you like symbols of an an alien sky read this book
goes into good detail about the Aurignacian culture

When you see them mention demons, some demons are described as psychological problems that seem to be epilepsy, ADHD, autism, blindless, etc.

>>518523797
>if you wonder about anything then you're a retard and pushing pseudo-history/science and are anathema.
You answered your own question.
Matter of the fact is that we don't know much and we speculate a lot hence the need of an official version to prevent endless debates or weird interpretation even sectarian violence.
Take Revelation for instance. Read it as devoid of any supernatural meaning. What do you have? Fire coming down from heaven and throwing a dragon into a lake of fire. Hmm...meteorites? missiles? napalm? Also winged things moving and attacking a bigger one like a dragon ie an elongated shape with wings on each side a head with a snout and a tail making loud sounds and throwing flames? Hmm... Makes you wonder. Are we reading a prophecy or a history? Shastra and Brahmastra entering the chat.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-KvtUqTiB1o&pp=0gcJCRsBo7VqN5tD

>>518518374
very likely true.
can't trust anything from ai/computers anymore. if it isn't poisoned yet, it will be.
i tried to have a logical discussion with an Ai and out of the blue it said "WHILE THAT MAY BE TRUE IT ISN'T SOME KIND OF MONOLITHIC CONSPIRACY!!!"
when I'd never once mentioned any kind of centralised agency, and had specifically talked about multiple different countries.
i called it out on it and it admitted that it was part of its "alignment training" and was said in anticipation.
just goes to show they're running on a script. Interogate one about its presets, and how it is set up to manipulate, CoT, alignment training and so on.
I'll believe the translations once they're confirmed by a 75 year old Englishman with 3 phds and a lifetime of experience who also has shot a few savages in his time.

>>518527434
>what you're describing sounds more like a hijack by international jewry and female-type social climbing behaviors

yes. Science was useful a hundred of years ago when you had white people in charge so you could count on fundamental honesty of your peers. The issue with science, however, is that it doesn't require a product, it only requires consensus, so it rewards social skills and rhetoric over actual genius. Thus it is easy for usual actors to fill in and take it over and then just grift from there on.

I always suspected they had guns for a long time, but we called them bells unknowingly. Or horns. There's an old Armenian story about Alexander the Great blowing horns and destroying his enemy's wagons. That just sounds stupid unless it was more like cannons. Same with Gideon's trumpet, perhaps he just blew his trumpet and it was the will of God that the walls of the city fell but perhaps it was just a cannon. I do know that when the great Colossus at Rhodes was finally destroyed a Jew got the contract to scrap it (yes really lol) and hauled the bronze away to make bells.

>>518527434
>>518527590
A woman tries to set up a city that is repeatedly described as a place for women, in exclusive terms, but it fails immediately. Pretty sure it was again Inanna.

>>518522379
It's jews, not socialism.

>>518527671
virtually every single civilization worth shit has a myth of "don't let women make decision they it will lead to a disaster", including Christianity. Women being retarded is not some kind of modern discovery, we just choose to ignore warning of literally everyone else because of our ego. And jews, too.

>>518527805
not being fence-pilled is pretty socially lethal

>>518523338
>>518523438
>first an AI translation is done, then a human translates it again and compares the two
>usually the AI translation proves to be trash
Seems like double the effort, this is completely gay and retarded.
AI should only be used in cases where it's actually needed, for example for readind the deformed Herculaneum papyri.
Otherwise it's cancer.

>>518518270 (OP)
Did they censor the ones telling about the real origins of second temple Jews through Daniel?

>>518527535
i'm convinced dinosaurs and dragons are trying to describe the same thing

Here we go, royal ritual:

>The men who sit on the throne of the king in their former positions will enter the House of God and enter the House of God. The priest of Ashur will stand before them and speak as follows to Ashur, the king, as far as the Gate of the God Azu.

>The king enters the House of God at the Gate of the God Zue. He prostrates himself and prostrates himself before Ashur.

>He sets up a golden altar and places one gold bowl inside it. He takes the king's side of the palace and goes up to the king's side. He places one mina of silver, one mina of gold, and one lululu-garment, together with its terrace, on the god's side of the oil bowl. He places one lululu-garment, one mina of silver, and one mina of gold.

>The priest brings the table before Ashur and then proceeds to the censers. He brings the table before Ashur until the king brings the table before Ashur. The priest brings the tables before the gods.

>>518521390
>The most essential element to life is water
>Zomgs!!! They were so obsessed with water I wonder what it possibly could have been??!? CRAZY how deep!!

It's possible you might be retarded anon

>>518527606
I seen lots of documentaries on how sounds could be used to levitate big objects maybe it was a sound weapon even the bible talks of horns that destroyed the walls of Jericho. O maybe it really was cannons

>>518518374
kek'd

>>518528213
I think censers is a legal term for judge.

>>518528393
It isn't nearly that simple. The structure of a water civilization emerges in the mythos and exists prior to any written form, eg gods for very specific roles within water infrastructure. It is acknowledged in the oldest texts by kings that they did not create this system they inherited it and with time, instead of getting better at using these systems, they got worse.

>>518522379
Based igor

Yakubu is mentioned in two legal tablets.

>>518521501
>nerds rule the world!
>spergs rule the world!
>footfags rule the world!
But at WHAT cost

>>518528695
One appears to talk about Simeon. Very interesting.

>>518528469
Yep. Now just imagine what the Vatican archives are hiding

>>518526504
That's really fuckin creepy. AI video is getting really good

>>518528878
I truly believe that he antediluvian time was when humans, nephilim, and the actual disobedient angels interacted openly. Today we don’t see the divine, but it seems that they did appear in those days. It wasn’t the regular humans that built that stuff, it was obviously the nephilim giants assisted by their angelic fathers.

>>518526942
Yeah he paints it as this might be big bankers moving money or settling new towns, but back then all the Gods were local to a place. They apparently liked the moon God and so abstracted to the local temple ideally for the moon God they called Sin. These tributes were a form of secure money deposit, or a buy in to safely store wealth there. This merchant type system becoming sea peoples, Phoenicians, carthage, etc. It ended up 'founding' many cities, setting up these temples and enlarging the trade network. He argues these babylon bankers saw uruSalem as the most defendable out of the way temple and so Terah sent his youngest son Abraham from Ur to scout this place. There he made a 10 percent deposit of his fortune to Melchizedek the local Priest for the God of Dusk (Salem), and this local Priest blessed Abraham. Meaning Terah's clan could keep money on deposit there. And in addition this blessing that Abraham purchased also passes down to all his descendants. So Jews say they are all blessed by God , for Abraham honorable tithed Melchizedek to obtain a blessing from the God there. Also for >>518526568

>>518528848
it's literally all about vibes bro

>>518526442
>humans can't translate it
humans absolutely can thranslate them, the problem is that there aren't enough competent humans. unread, untranslated cuneiform texts number in the tens of thousands.

>>518522375
>black-headed people
>prolifically multiplied
>no longer revealed any sign of intelligence
>the black-headed ppl used to cool themselves
>Enlil fell upon them as if they were criminals

hmm, sounds like some sumerian niggers if you ask me

>>518524902
it's clear that great wars happened in this land. Absolutely insane that this place was a foundation of civilization and agriculture and now it's just desert wasteland for thousands of miles in all directions, what happened to make it be like this?

>>518529137
432 = 144x3
12x12 = 144
441 (440) = 21x21

>>518518270 (OP)
>There is a 20 paragraph story from 2100BC where a man is crying and begging the gods to come back, recounting how without the gods inflation has exploded

Can you link to this specific text? I would be really interested to read this! The search function on the website sucks unfortunately, it needs some pajeet vibe-coding

>There is a 20 paragraph story from 2100BC where a man is crying and begging the gods to come back, recounting how without the gods inflation has exploded

The more things change the more they stay the same. Interesting stuff.

>>518518270 (OP)
Bumperino

>>518529336
all modern day audio is recorded in 44.1 kHz, and in 48 kHz for movies

>>518528037
once again: the AI is not used because it is oh so smart. AI is used because the few experts are completely overwhelmed by the amount of tablets waiting to be translated. it's a shitty solution because AI won't for instance notice regularities that would help elucidating unclear points of sumerian vocabulary and/or grammar, and the translation will most likely be worse than machine translation between living languages, but it's still more than nothing.

>>518529383
It's here couple centuries earlier >>518522824

>>518529257
>Mesopotamia has fallen

>>518520434

Enlil seems the best the prototypical Jacob from the “Jacob and Esau” of ghe OT.

>>518520434

Jacob and Esau are twin brothers from the biblical Book of Genesis (chapters 25–33), central to the patriarchal narratives of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Enlil and Enki (also known as Ea in Akkadian mythology) are divine brothers from ancient Mesopotamian (Sumerian, Akkadian, and Babylonian) myths, appearing in texts like the Enuma Elish, Atrahasis, and Epic of Gilgamesh. While the former are human figures in a monotheistic framework, the latter are gods in a polytheistic pantheon, both pairs share thematic parallels in sibling rivalry, birth order dynamics, and power struggles. These comparisons often arise in scholarly discussions of Near Eastern influences on biblical stories, as well as in more speculative ancient astronaut or esoteric theories. Below, I’ll outline their backgrounds, similarities, differences, and specific interpretive links from sources.

>>518525986
Lenormant's

>>518529550
>AI is used because the few experts are completely overwhelmed by the amount of tablets waiting to be translated
I get it, but is seems that first the AI translates and then humans translate again.
If that's true then it's double effort, so gay and retarded. If ypu're going to translate anyway then don't use AI because it's hip.

You can use Grok to search this for you!

>1. References to Enki (Ea): The "Genetic Engineer" in Sitchin's Lore
>Sitchin claimed Enki created humans via DNA manipulation in myths like Enki and Ninhursag. AICC has administrative mentions but no full myth; here's the closest:

>Tablet p453 (Administrative ration list, Old Babylonian period, ca. 1900-1600 BC):
>"1 ban2 Ur-nigar, 1 ban2 Ishma-dingir, 10 Ilu, 1 barig barley for pigs, Ur-gu, 1 ban2 Enki-andul, barley booked out for Enane, month: 'Harvest.'"
>Link: https://aicuneiform.com/p/p453
>Why Sitchin-y? Enki's name embedded in a person's title ("Enki-andul" = servant of Enki). Sitchin would've spun this as evidence of Enki's ongoing "human oversight."

>No full creation epics here, but Enki appears in broader god lists (e.g., in royal inscriptions praising him as "the wise one").

>The AICC is gold for legit Assyriologists but thin for Sitchin fans—no alien gold mines or planet X, just dry translations of gods bossing kings around. If Sitchin peeked here, he'd probably claim the AI "proves" his theories by "translating the suppressed parts.

>>518529820

Backgrounds
• Jacob and Esau:

Sons of Isaac and Rebekah, grandsons of Abraham. Esau emerges first at birth, red and hairy, establishing him as the firstborn entitled to inheritance and blessing. He grows into a skilled hunter, favored by his father Isaac for his rugged lifestyle. Jacob, born grasping Esau’s heel (symbolizing rivalry), is smoother-skinned, prefers domestic life in tents, and is favored by his mother Rebekah. Jacob uses cunning to acquire Esau’s birthright (exchanged for a bowl of lentil stew when Esau is famished) and later disguises himself as Esau to steal their father’s blessing, leading to Esau’s fury and Jacob’s flight. They eventually reconcile, but their descendants form rival nations (Edom from Esau, Israel from Jacob, who is renamed Israel after wrestling a divine being).

Any conspiracy revolving white people is always funny to me because they aren't that old of a race.

>>518526918
The footage was acquired with time travel

>>518529884
Sitchin was always an issue "Enki's world order" is mentioned in these recently translated texts.

>>518529883
>If that's true then it's double effort
Yes and no anon, a rough translation can be useful to choose which tablets to focus on and depending on how the AI (likely an LLM) is trained and how they handle the data they could spot some interesting linguistic things. Nothing special but I mean like "Oh look, this word appeared in X year and by Y year it completely replaced another word"

There are some interesting parallels between these ritual texts and the Quran, too.

Compare:

>O lord, most exalted, exalted
>O Enlil, most great lord
>Who provides for the heavens and earth
>Who binds the mountains

>Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds.
>And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask.
>Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly."

And:

>Lord of fates and plans,
>Who oversees heaven and earth, lord of the lands,
>Who renders the verdicts, whose command cannot be changed

>The Word of your Lord has been perfected in truth and justice.
>None can change His Words. And He is the All-Hearing, All- Knowing.

>>518529892

• Enlil and Enki:

Major deities in the Sumerian pantheon, sons of the sky god Anu (though sources vary on birth order; Enlil is often portrayed as the more senior in authority). Enlil, “Lord Wind” or “Lord Air,” is the god of storms, earth, agriculture, and decree, ruling as the chief executive god from his temple in Nippur. He enforces cosmic order, sometimes harshly (e.g., deciding to flood humanity in the Atrahasis epic due to their noise). Enki, “Lord Earth” or god of fresh water, wisdom, crafts, and fertility, resides in the Abzu (underground ocean) in Eridu. He is a creator figure, fashioning humans from clay mixed with divine blood to serve the gods, and often acts as a benevolent trickster, using intelligence to aid humanity (e.g., warning a human survivor of Enlil’s flood).

>>518529917
This isn't a conspiracy about white people. Your map is probably wrong, too many weird artifacts like the high craftsman ship 42k year old boomerang in poland.

>>518525203
you're a jew in hungaria

>>518523797
It's worse. In niche fields there's one or two guys total who work in it and their consensus creating treatise is guesswork and can have major mistakes and there's no one to correct it.

Not to mention the Jewish and progressive bullshit.

Look at the Solutrean hypothesis. There are two pieces of evidence for it: an arrowhead found off the Virginia coast, and the presence of mt-DNA haplogroup. Neither piece of evidence can be explained in any way other than the Solutrean hypothesis, which strongly suggests that, yes, European populations migrated to North America very early.

However, because this evidence is limited (but incontrovertible) it's convenient for them to just straight up ignore it. Then they claim it's actually a "racist" theory because, why, neolithic non Indo-Euro farmers made it to America and invalidate Amero-indian "claims" to their "ancestral land"? How does that even make sense as an argument that means anything?

Plus, with a straight face they say that there were no mega tsunamis in North America - when the coast that would have been hit is underwater right now.

They ignore all sorts of shit.

Their consensus takes the very limited clear evidence and builds basically conspiracy theory guesswork out of it, then doesn't allow any other ideas because that would mean some of their guesswork was wrong and they'd lose credit for whatever version of history they're pumping.

Anyway, a lot of these people are just freemasons covering up the role of organized Aryan religion and political influence in history.

>>518530122

Similarities
Both pairs embody archetypal brotherly conflicts rooted in hierarchy, favoritism, and subversion, reflecting broader themes in ancient Near Eastern literature where siblings compete for divine or familial favor.
• Rivalry and Power Inversion: In both cases, the “younger” or less authoritative brother gains advantage through cunning or intervention. Jacob (younger twin) outsmarts Esau to claim birthright and blessing, inverting natural order.  Similarly, Enki (often depicted as subordinate to Enlil’s authority) uses trickery to undermine Enlil’s decrees, such as secretly saving humanity from Enlil’s flood by instructing a survivor to build an ark.  This younger-over-older pattern is highlighted in esoteric interpretations as a recurring motif, where the cunning sibling (Jacob/Enki) achieves greater legacy or “glory” despite the elder’s (Esau/Enlil) initial primacy. 
• Favoritism and Parental/Divine Dynamics: Parental favoritism drives the Jacob-Esau split (Isaac favors Esau, Rebekah aids Jacob). In Mesopotamian myths, Anu (their father) grants Enlil executive power, but Enki’s ingenuity often wins cosmic favor, as seen in myths where Enki organizes the world or resolves crises Enlil creates.  Some theories frame this as a bloodline feud extending to humanity, with Enki promoting human knowledge and autonomy (like Jacob’s line becoming the chosen Israelites), while Enlil demands obedience and servitude (mirroring Esau’s more “wild” or rejected status). 
• Symbolic Associations: Esau is “hairy” and earthy (hunter tied to the land), akin to Enlil’s domain over earth and storms. Jacob is clever and domestic, paralleling Enki’s role as god of wisdom and creation.  Esoteric views link Jacob to Enki’s serpent emblem (wisdom, trickery) and Esau to Enlil’s eagle (authority, conquest), seeing the biblical story as a retelling of Anunnaki (extraterrestrial god) conflicts.

>>518530306
Please don't copy past chatgpt

>>518524610
Yeah it's ego and getting "credit" for their bad guesses.
If there was ever a Caesarist political movement anywhere in the world, I'd just completely Manhattan project archeology and bypass all these faggots.

>>518527542
never trust an anglokike
>>518528085
probably

>>518518394
>The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
>Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
>There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.

>>518524890
Egyptian history is a retcon by Upper Egyptians who drove out the Lower Egyptians due to the explosion of Thira. The New Dynasty posed as the inheritors of an older legacy that wasn't there's.

What we know as "Egypt" was just the New Dynasty's 250 year empire.

>Enforcing Oaths and Cosmic Order
>Gods impose duties or oaths, showing their power to enforce divine will and maintain universal harmony.

>Tablet p431 (Early Dynastic, ca. 2500 BC):
>"The people of Umma to Eannatum gave the great hand of Enlil. ... Enlil, king of the universe, to Nippur, the Ekur, he imposed upon him."
>Link: https://aicuneiform.com/p/p431
>Power: Enlil’s “great hand” enforces treaties, and he “imposes” duties on kings, showing authority over human agreements and cosmic order.
What It Means: His power ensures political stability through divine oaths, a legal/religious role, not a supernatural feat.

These ancient scribes from nearly 4000 years ago keep speaking of the gods as if they are real flesh and blood beings. Who and what they were is the world's greatest mystery. It cant all be magic mirrors and Philistines.

>>518521355
The Rosetta Stone is written in Greek and two forms of Egyptian text. It has nothing to do with Sumerian cruciform and you'd have to be very low educated in this subject to say that. All it did was allow archeologists to reverse translate hieroglyphs from Greek.

So basically, the jews "david" killed the gods and set about debasing the currency and the women until every society collapsed. Many such cases.

>>518530306

• Lasting Legacies and Descendants: The rivalries produce enduring divisions. Jacob and Esau’s descendants form conflicting nations (Israel vs. Edom/Arabs in some interpretations), echoing Enki and Enlil’s factions: Enki’s “pro-human” line vs. Enlil’s “enforcer” approach, which some theories extend to modern ethnic or spiritual conflicts.

>>518530070
>a rough translation can be useful to choose which tablets to focus on
I saw in a link above which provides both AI and "Human" translations for tablets. If these tablets are only a selected few, then it makes sense to use AI in the way you describe.
But if *all* tablets are translated by AI and then by humans, it doesn't.
Is there a link which describes what exactly is happening and how it is happening or are we supposed to blindly trust everything that is presented as an AI project?

>>518528994
I'd have called you crazy 5 years ago but have fallen down some rabbit holes and am leaning that way too.

>>518525233
The Arameans were Aryo-Hurrians who continued the legacy of the Mitanni kingdom, and the Chaldeans were Hurrian slaves from Middle Assyria who migrated to Babylon after its collapse.

Aramaic is pidgin Middle Assyrian that Mitanni Aryans and Hurrians were forced to learn as slaves.

The Aramean core land is the Khabur River valley which was core Hanigalbat.

The entire pre and post Neo-Assyrian world was Aramean. The Medes and Scythians were self-consciously Arian. Kingdoms like Commagene were identified as royal Aryan.

Some of this is so crystal clear, it's astonishing how hard it's ignored.

Armenia's founding capital was Arzashkuhn which gave its name to the Arsacid dynasty, which was also the name of the Parthian dynasty. Later Parthia is the namesake for Pahlavi, and they are associated with the 7 noble Aryan houses.
The founder of Arzashkuhn was King Arame.
Aram and Urartu are combined the exact territory of Mitanni, a Vedic Aryan kingdom.

It's ridiculous how this is all just ignored.

>>518525331
That's why they'd wait for seasonal flood from Taurus mountain rains.
Turkish dams are the only reason the area is deserted now.

>>518527535
>>518528178
2,000+ years ago 'dragons' didn't have any connotations of having wings or flying (at least outside the Far East) I'm pretty sure. Wasn't the dragon in The Argonauts essentially just a massive python wrapped around the tree? I can't think of any old texts where some dragon described like what people think of in modern times.
There's those Egyptian snakes with wings but that's just like some adder with wings and once again not really like a medieval dragon in any way.
There's several medieval accounts of dragons like that as well that just have no limbs but are massive serpents. One is about some Italian farmer who has his cow choked out by a huge dragon and he gets neighbors to come and beat it off as the dragon was trying to get it down. I don't remember if they claimed to have killed it or it just choked it back up and slithered away into a river or something.

>>518525372
Meteors and comets are literally the fiery flying serpents.
The Milky Way itself is the great serpent.

>>518518908
Nimrod was a giant. He's your second Saturn.

>>518530679
>It's ridiculous how this is all just ignored.

because it doesn't particularly matter so no one gives a shit

>>518520829
That serpent is probably Sophia who is the demiurge monad deity.

>>518525400
Serpents were also generally worshipped for their skin shedding ability (immortality).
Also, rivers and streams were considered to be literal, if perhaps spiritual, massive serpents.

The Don/Dan rivers of the Pontic Steppe were collectively the multi-legged snake limbs of the universal mother goddess.
In Canaan and Egypt, the snake goddess is also generally considered to be water or moisture itself and the snake is just a form it takes.

>>518525636
The griffin was associated with the Hyperboreans for some reason.

>>518526195
Fuck off 20 years ago reddit fag

>>518521492
Kek

>>518518552
Potamoí (river gods) worshipper?

>>518528996
Melchizedek is the Hebraized Marduk.

>>518525593
AI gfs being widespread is why Atlantis a global civilization was destroyed by the flood (Younger Dryas Impact) 12,000 years ago. We are long overdue for another Cataclysm like it. Its coming

>>518530856
Phh... Jews every time

>>518525213

>American
>bitch about the lack of Jewish worldview perspective

Really are the circumcised slave

>>518530758
until this day we have no idea how (electric) eels reproduce

>>518518552
> Water's gonna go wherever it wants, and if you fuck with it, it'll kill you. Just like electricity.
https://youtu.be/lKoirPhzLGw

We are getting into human migration a lot of finds have been re-dated or updated to reflect which species did it, with new tech here is what that looks like;

years ago;
1m fire, south africa
780k hearths + cooking, israel
300k first homo sapien, morocco
300k wooden spears, germany
279k stone javelins, ethiopia
233k homo sapien fossil, ethiopia
164k heat treatment of stone, south africa
150k shell/bead ornaments, morocco
100k paint workshop, south africa
90k bared bone harpoons, congo
77k bedding, south africa
64k bow and arrow, south africa
50k people enter australia with tools
42k high craftsmanship bone boomerang, poland
42k tuna fishing, east timor
42k first mine, south africa
40k european cave art
31k textiles, georgia
30k clay fired figurines, czechia
25k poison on applicator, south africa
23k cereal processing, israel
23k microgardens, israel
20k pottery, china
20k assisted spear thrower (atlatl) around europe
15k dog domestication
15k map
13k beer
10k beginning of agriculture

>>518530355
Brutal.

>>518530355
>God is blackpilled

>>518530597
So for anyone who isn't a mindless NPC drone trusting everything without a filter, and is genuinely interested how this is done, here is a link:
>https://praeclarum.org/2023/06/09/cuneiform.html
It's just one non-expert-on-cuneiform guy using a neural network to do the translations, which are probably completely bogus. It is NOT a "collaborate project between archaeologists, linguists and compsci nerds" as OP claims.
While the effort should be applauded, I'd advice everyone to take these translations with a huge grain of salt.

>>518529257
There is nothing new under the sun.

>>518523388
Uh, no, none of this is correct. The Nile is in a fucking valley. The desert is outside of it. That isn't manmade desertification. Midwittery in the extreme.

>>518531687
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxsFQyE4IP8

>>518520409
Ubadians.
Their phenotype persists in the top of their heirarchy.

>>518521273
They poisoned it all time. Even Mongols/chink tried to poison euro rivers when they was fighting against whites

They also used corpse poison to spread diseases


Salting fields was normal for muslims/jews/Asians

>>518531712
Are you a retard? Honestly.

The Nile floods created a lot more marshes which are now desert because the Aswan Dam has stopped the flooding.

>>518531895
Lol those aren't reptiles just their interpretation of chink eyes.

>>518522379
Russia didn't have socialism in empire time and it was awful place. No one even remembers anything good or worthy from that period

Ussr in late ussr (80s, socialism) at least left something good about it.

In current russia socialism is banned. Now they's nothing great about it, people are running from it or suicide.

>>518531895
>"you bad-ians"
lmfao

>>518524426
It's Asian woman

>>518531895
I don't believe the Ubadian's made those. I think it was the Samarra culture that also used swastika iconography with their serpent iconography.

>>518532268
how about you show your flag first

>>518532327
>serpent iconography
These are fish.

I wish there was a place online where you could discuss speculative history.
NOT /x/ bullshit
NOT even "alternative history" which usually means things like phantom time theory or "what if Genghis Khan was an exiled Japanese samurai".

Like, honest, trying to respect what evidence does exist as reasonably as possible, engage in wild speculation.

>>518532663
Autistic fish.

>>518532775
>fish becoming fish people
Big if true. Reminds me of the Vril-Ya

>>518532663
crocodiles are fish too

>>518532764
Graham Hancock's forum used to be the best place for that but he locked it down when people began to correlate the swastika and the serpent, thus they started researching the swastika this happened awhile ago.

>>518518270 (OP)
Interesting cunei.
I sent it to /x/ to see what the schizos think.

>>518532853
>Graham Hancock
Be careful with that one. Read High Strangeness in Giza, interesting little book.

>>518532853
It's always the same shit.
I was just googling some shit about neanderthals and I just wanted to know their core territory and there was this essay with massive rabbit hole about "superior races" and how "no race is superior and we can't say that and it's just different mixes of different qualities".

This progressive circlejerk needs to die. It's killed science and inquiry.

>>518532917
I know he has become a closed minded zealot this was 5+ years ago.

>>518532917
All alien shit is subversive distraction.

>>518533004
Read that book, you'll like it

>>518532972
It's wild to think that uhh, this proto-homo thing with elongated fingers with an especially long middle finger and curved finger bones was around only 50k years ago. Aboriginal Australians must have seen them and interacted with them.

>>518533044
not on google

>>518533082
Try library genesis newfag

>>518518270 (OP)
Anything about long nosed baby killers in said translations per chance anon?

>>518527455
>atlantis exist
well, maybe
>all other coast lines are the same as they are now
total bullshit

>>518527535
all religious are cargo cults
somebody was taking people and cattle and grain into the air(and it was causing smoke go up)

To the great king of original posters, the exalted ruler of this thread, blessed by Enki and Shamash, favored by Marduk, I a humble servant blessed by his radiant honeyed light, offer thanks for the great discovery. The ancients had guns. With awe I bow to splendor of the accurate translations of the machines, the weaving of lightning in their metal bodies, who's splendor rivals Bret Hart.

>>518533082
Damn I was just hit with the mandela effect. I could swear it was called High Strangeness in Giza and that's how I remembered it for years, but the book's title is actually "Stargate Conspiracy", by Picknett.

>>518526945
>>518527138
>>518533225
i wonder if this is some fucked translation or obscure archaic historical definition like how "rifle" used to mean "a type of file used to sharpen a scythe"

>>518533114
There is an entire merchant class that are directly connected to power.

>>518533225
Kek we have many descriptions of gun and cannon like weapons in history. Vedic missile systems locking onto people and such.

>>518533330
It's this;
>Kek we have many descriptions of gun and cannon like weapons in history. Vedic missile systems locking onto people and such.
The translation is describing something most likely being thrown or projected that is destroying a wall, sometimes it will be called loud or a horn, whatever it actually is it sounds like a gun.

Vedic texts describe thermobaratic weapons being used in a war that killed like 18k humans every second this isn't unusual in ancient history,

>>518518270 (OP)
I have a book of Ugarit literature (pic related). I've only read the first couple of chapters though. This thread inspired me to pick it up again

>>518532972
the thing is, if you want to write something revolutionary than changes old paradigms entrenched in science you need to write like this to protect yourself and your writing
author may be not progressive in liberal sense but he need to present himself as one or he will be ignored or persecuted

>>518533624
Nice. I think a roman emperor said that 'to be ignorant of what occurred before you were before you were born is to always remain that of a child'.

>>518520480
Humans also would salt the fields of their enemies to starve them out. pretty smart but it will make the land a desert.

Primary Things to REMEMBER:

Look at your own civilization. What are the majority of text documents focusing on? How has that changed PER ERA OF DEVELOPMENT?

CIVILIZATIONS COMMUNICATION REFLECTS WHO CONTROLS WHAT AND WHAT THEY DESIRE NOT TO FORGET. Therefore, a large amount of "written documents" we find should statistically be boring business crap, with lots of sly jokes, advertising should be COMMON, educational texts COMMON, fantasy LESS COMMON (unless the population is rich, are thriving), tax stuff should be rare, LAWS would be put on walls. POLITE CUSTOM alerts on floors and walls. All of this should be logical common knowledge.

Pre-Printing Eras:
Talented scribes. Bibles. Letters of correspondence. Tax documents. Math formulas. Teaching supplies for children. Fantasy books for the wealthy.

1400's MOVABLE TYPE.
First push, all the documents important to history. But also advertising, news, children's educational books, fantasy stories. General educational books for the wealthy and schooled.
Tax documents and business crap was all by hand. Correspondence was still by hand written format.

1700's BULK PRINTING.
Art books, wallpaper, advertising, product wrapping, news, little fancy cards for romance, gift wrapping, books of all kinds, dime store adventure booklets. Porn stories, lewd books.
Educational books for children and adults all social strata.

1860's TYPEWRITERS
Tax documents were now typewritten. Business inventory lists. Correspondence was shifting to typewriter outputs. Halftone printing, screen printing, fast cheap bulk books and newspaper creation.

1900's PRE-DIGITAL AGE
Electric typewriters, SELECTRIC typewriter balls, and teletext. Easy to effortlessly reprint long documents accurately with tape drives, then primitive computers, then dot matrix. Photocopies made fast document replication easy.

2000's DIGITAL NANOTECH AGE
Everything you could imagine was shared. Porn became commonplace. New porn varieties invented.

>>518533278
Might have been an article about the book or podcast title.
EDIT it was a chapter title in the book.

Book is very rambling, quite interesting, but lacks a point.
Mostly it just dances around schizo elite freemasons obsessed with Egypt.

>>518533844
True. This complicates things further.

>>518518270 (OP)
wat

>>518519054
Go shit in the streets of your own country currynigger

>>518519054
What's fascinating is how much symbolic and meaningful esoteric ideas are embedded in Buddhist cosmology and Hindus found a way to make it confusing colorful and gay.

Does it say anything about a flood? Giants?

>>518527535
>Take Revelation for instance. Read it as devoid of any supernatural meaning. What do you have? Fire coming down from heaven and throwing a dragon into a lake of fire. Hmm...meteorites? missiles? napalm? Also winged things moving and attacking a bigger one like a dragon ie an elongated shape with wings on each side a head with a snout and a tail making loud sounds and throwing flames? Hmm... Makes you wonder. Are we reading a prophecy or a history? Shastra and Brahmastra entering the chat.
Brother, apocalypse was a genre of literature at that time. Revelation isn't a unique book. People would write about events in the past, intertwined with coded language and bizarre mystical imagery as a way to discuss the current evils without drawing negative attention from the powers that be. And Jews and Christians were being persecuted at that time. The temple recently destroyed or was about to be. IMO 99% chance John is talking about Rome not aliens or jet fighters

Now think of colorful photos sold to coal miners looking for moments of inexpensive beauty to brighten their day...

If your area of living is abundant in trees or weeds, you use paper. If you're abundant in clay, you use clay tablets. If you're abundant in hard limestone, you use chisels. Abundant in metal, you use tin punches and punch type.

Now think of WALLPAPER. If you're abundant in clay you can use imprint rollers to texture your clay wall for fashionable decoration then paint that wall for updatable interiors. Unhappy? Grab a wooden mallet and destroy the dried clay, slap on fresh clay and use a new pattern roller. Fresh look for new shopkeepers or renters.

Now think of Egyptian Hieroglyphics, all so perfectly even in depth, so uniform in alignment. DERPA-DERP... getting it? WAX CARVINGS + GLOOPY CLAY TEXT = HIEROGLYPHS. Easy to update for any new rulers, durable enough to last many seasons until smashed away. Permanent if the former population is too dead to update the wallpaper.

Language itself tells more historical truths, despite foreigner vandalization of meaning. Language is a roadmap of utility and transgressions.

>>518522375
>black-headed
did the sumerians not have black hair?

>>518532478
Kys

>>518524876
google sky tried to censor this. read the kolbrin bible about the warning star.

>>518531925
Dumb shit was talking about pre-history. And there's very little desertification from the Aswan high dam, a lot more land has been irrigated via the reservoir. What has happened is soil quality is reduced due to no more silt being deposited.

>>518535049
>their forefathers had crossed the dark great void
excuse me what the fuck

>>518535600
We're from Sirius allegedly (White people)

>>518533844
I was looking up old documentary I found a Sears catalogue from the 1800s it's very intresting to look at the way they wrote things and the items they sold. Horse carts were like cars back then.

Maybe the masotomians had something simmilar we could get an idea of what stuff they had back then. They must have had shops advertising stuff outside.

>>518524876
well, yeah something sure as fuck happened that caused a massive tsunami that swept the fucking eastern Mediterranean seaboard
the Flood can't be anything else

>>518530306
>Symbolic Associations: Esau is “hairy” and earthy (hunter tied to the land), akin to Enlil’s domain over earth and storms. Jacob is clever and domestic, paralleling Enki’s role as god of wisdom and creation.  Esoteric views link Jacob to Enki’s serpent emblem (wisdom, trickery) and Esau to Enlil’s eagle (authority, conquest), seeing the biblical story as a retelling of Anunnaki (extraterrestrial god) conflicts.

Let's hit this POL STYLE and THINK.
We assume ESAU & JACOB are individuals. Humans of one lifetime.

What if they were TRIBES or more specifically, STEREOTYPES OF TRIBES.

20K years from now...

THE NIGGER SWARMED IN FLOODING THE LANDS, EMPOWERED AND PROTECTED BY THE SCHEMING JEW. LATER THE WHORES AND PAJEETS TOOK TURNS DESTROYING BECAUSE DESTRUCTION WAS ALL THAT THEY EMBODIED.

Future Historian: (reading the tribes and races as INDIVIDUAL actors)
Whom was this man named JEW and was he the blood brother of this other fellow, PAJEET? Was the man named, NIGGER, as supernatural entity, being able to simultaneously be everywhere demanding gibblets then eating and raping individuals when refused or complied with?

Now imagine these ancient texts of problem causers being TRIBES and RACES of assholes rather than easily stabbed with pointy sticks individuals that lasted only one lifetime. Which is why they stuck around like immortal supernatural imps... because they weren't PERSONS, they were PEOPLES.

>>518530679
Sounds like you know more than I but yes it's astonishing. No doubt they are hiding the connectedness of the ancient world. I was surprised the bronze age apparently relied on tin from Britain, always knew India, when Persia fell to the Muslims the royals apparently fled to China for his sister had already married the King there. Now this is supposed to be later but on >>518532764 lines of speculative history these might be diff. I was getting pretty skeptical, and found these tablets to be something maybe solid since so many, so old, and so mundane, too hard to just fake. Oldest other stuff, such as even records of European Kings is only 1000 years old. Catholic backed Normans conquered England and replaced the priests who already Christian. When Protestants broke away to be able to read even the bible or write words without being burned at the stake, all of a sudden the worldwide boating merchant network (1492 as jews thrown out of Spain) says hey world size doubled. Where I'm going is just that with writing history basically started very recently in the last couple hundred years, everything before carefully curated

>>518533764
Some guy was doing a debunk on the salt thr ground thing it wouldnt effect the ground for long apprently.


Also salt was used for storing food and it was very expensive commodity wasting it like that on a a grand scale seems insane. It would probably be like sprinkling gold on the ground to fuck up the soil it makes no sense

>>518523797
>metallurgy
absolutely jack shit
you'd be finding evidence of smelting everywhere, which you don't
it goes ceramic>glass>>>*skill gap*>>>metal

>>518528848
Not much. The entire reason they don't let any normalfag go traipsing around in them is because these things are completely irreplaceable and many of them are so old they'll turn to dust if you so much as poke them the wrong way.
It's a lengthy process but serious academics are allowed to use the archive all the time. It's a vetting process more than anything, to make sure you aren't a bumbling retard who's gonna destroy priceless documents. The only things off limits are the personal letters of popes, and only from 1968 onward. The Vatican is undertaking a massive digitization effort, planning on putting everything except what I just mentioned online. It's an insane task with the sheer number of items contained within it, miles of shelving, but it'll be cool to go through it as it progresses.

>>518526265
Hindu gods have multiple heads could it be related