Thread 518543287

I see too many threads with anons complaining about how shitskins are taking over your IT and blue collar jobs.

Why don't you take the cnc pill?
>machine does the work for you
>body isn't broken at age 40
>huge field with plenty of niches to specialize in (programming, designing, operating)
>applicable to turning, milling, boring and 3d printing a plethora of different materials
>is an actual high skill job too complicated for shitskins
>huge shortage so in demand pretty much everywhere
>good pay and benefits

It has a low skill floor but a high skill ceiling so there is room for both retards and high iq autists.

>>518543287 (OP)
I've worked a CNC machine. The big problem is Mexicans over here. Once a factory gets a Mexican in the hiring staff, they never hire non Mexicans.

As a result, wages for even a CNC operator are pathetically low. You'll max out at 18 bucks an hour.

>>518543287 (OP)
You unironically need a 2 year degree to get hired as a cnc machinist here and the starting pay is $12/hour...*if* you can even find someone to hire you. Max pay is $20/hour and you only get that with 10+ years experience and a myriad of skills under your belt. Panda Express starts at $20/hour btw.

I'll grant you that it's better than being a welder which pays about the same here, has fewer job opportunities, and is infinitely worse for your health.

>>518543455
So go work for a corp that make niche specialized products instead of large series.
>>518543757
hmmm..
2 years? Sounds like overkill.
I did an 8 week crash course where I learned to program and machine and got hired no problem.
I mean if you can picture an apple in your and know basic geometry any dumbass can do it.

>>518543287 (OP)
>programming, designing
AI

>>518544068
this isn't the netherlands anon
the US had all its manufacturing sent over seas, these types of jobs don't pay very well at all and at the same time you have to compete with an army of boomers who have 20-40 years experience and barely even need the job so will accept low wages

>>518543287 (OP)
How much do the machines cost? What’s my buyin?

>>518543287 (OP)
The last job I applied for in this field passed me over to hire a decently unqualified nigger from west Africa. Perhaps bullshit like that has something to do with it.

>>518543287 (OP)
how many axis?

>>518543287 (OP)
>>518543455
>>518544068
Even boeing suppliers in aerospace manufacturing hire mexicans and pay them under the table.
Do not talk about america when you have no idea what boomers use mexicans for.
There is literally no room for anyone, america is full.

>>518544810
>the US had all its manufacturing sent over seas
I thought this only applied to grunt work. Europe did the same but kept high grade specialized manufacturing in house.
Seems like you're truly fucked then.
>boomers
They will all be dead/retired within the decade. We already have a shortage.

>>518543287 (OP)
Not bad right now to be a CNC machinist. But...
One of the jobs to be killed by AI. See list.

>>518545025
>boeing suppliers in aerospace manufacturing hire mexicans
No wonder their planes keep crashing kek.

Where I'm at used house prices are from $400,000 to millions. Wages are $15-20 for low skill labor, up to $35-40 / hr or maybe $70-100k / yr for high skill labor. Spics are everywhere. They happily take the lowest wage jobs, multiple of them, they don't complain about dangerous conditions or broken equipment, they don't mind working off the clock now and then, they don't mind living 2-3 familes per small apartment or house.

When the government doesn't enforce the law, it's over for citizens. We can't compete unless we're willing to drop our living standards and accept workplace injuries and being in permanent debt for a shitty old house.

>>518543287 (OP)
The only winning move is to not play, or at least, play as little as possible.
Take the cabin pill
>work entry level McJob for peanuts whilst living with parents
>save money
>purchase land - put cabin on land
>work entry level McJob for peanuts to pay property tax, and fund self-sustaining objectives
>the more self-sustaining objectives completed, the less you have to play with others
>live semi-retired

>>518545434
>whilst living with parents
can't do that, they kick you out when you turn 18

>>518545403
Implementing national legislation that protects workers rights would fix this issue but you goys are way too jewed for that.

>>518544785
It will be awhile before this is a thing, nobody is going to trust AI programing/design parts on their 500k to 2mil machines

>>518545538
The laws exist - they aren't enforced. It's illegal for employer to hire illegal aliens. Trump isn't enforcing it. He specifically said he wouldn't enforce it.

>>518545533
>can't do that, they kick you out when you turn 18
Then you have dumb parents, and the logical move is Alaska.

>>518545642
>The laws exist
In the US? In what universe? As far as I know the only way to not get fucked by your employer and receive benefits, holidays, decent wage etc. is through contractual agreement.

>>518545538
No shit

>>518545855
Alaska is full of drug addicts and foreigners, same as everywhere today, and it costs 10x as much as the lower 48.

>>518543287 (OP)
I'm actually thinking of building a small one, for hobby purposes.
Currently specking the hardware prices and reading up on some papers to not fuck it up catastrophically.
I'm worried about vibrations and resonance tho,its make or break for performance and speed.
I know 3D printers have automatic resonance compensation in klipper but dunno if there is anything line that in consumer cnc software.

>>518545388
it will cut cad designers for sure in half.
the software is half way there only needs a person to clean things up.

>>518545401
Not just boeing suppliers, airport staff, airport security, aircraft maintenance and supervisors, airport janitors…
mexicans.
it’s probably actually why the planes crash
>sheeiii foo i din kno nussing, no hanlo engles

>>518543287 (OP)
Not CNC
RISF - robotic incremental sheet forming
You program a robot to press out any shape out of sheet metal
https://youtu.be/6oqeVLILGHY

>>518543455
>max out at $18
I doubt that. CNC guys make a decent buck, and you have to be somewhat book smart for it too. Personally I have never met a CNC guy who wasn’t White, and the last shop I worked at, all the skilled trades jobs were white guys, and all the unskilled labors were ricans.

>>518546041
That's really neat. Best thing about it is that there's no waste.

>>518545895
There are countless labor laws in the USA at the federal and state levels. Employers are ignoring them now because of no or little enforcement. Spics don't care at all about agreements. If they get paid they get paid, if not they stop showing up, they will never fight or unionize. If a citizen tries to get the employer to sign an additional contract above and beyond existing laws, they just won't do it. You won't get hired.

>>518546064
>and the last shop I worked at, all the skilled trades jobs were white guys, and all the unskilled labors were ricans.
How long ago was that, because in my area the switch to spics only took about 10 years.

>>518545989
>Alaska is full of drug addicts
There's less access to drugs in Alaska, than in the lower 48, and therefore, less drug addicts.
>it costs 10x as much as the lower 48
Living in Alaska how one would live in the lower 48 will cost more, yes. Just like living in the US how one would live in Africa, will cost more. The point is to live like an Alaskan, and if you can do that, you will have more, for less.

>>518546140
Your employer can fire you on the spot for no reason.
You don't have general labour rights.

>>518543287 (OP)
>Why don't you take the cnc pill?
Because of shit pay and shit hours.
They won't pay you as much as entry level medical jobs.
They won't hire two low paid workers when they can just make you work double.

Machinist was a cool job a couple of decades ago.
Now, you are just another unwanted man doing a necessary job to pay for some jew's new yacht.

It is enjoyable bu unprofitable for the first 40 hours.

>>518546668
>Unprofitable for the first forty hours
This anon knows. I make a little over $100k programming makino cnc machines for different companies. I’m also the main mechanic. $28k of my income every year is in overtime - which equates to a 60-70 hour week most weeks of the year

>>518546620
>>518546661
retards

>>518546884
See
>>518546668
This guy cant live off 40 hours a week because you dont have laws that prevent employees from paying you shit.
Do you really not see the issue here?

Machining used to take skill.

CNC """"Operators"""" are just meat sacks that put in billets and take out end products... and standing around to press the shutoff button if the matching is fucking up.

>>518546852
I did it until about three years ago.
They started hiring women, so I was setting up their machines so they could run them making the same pay I was.

Women are the primary driver of civilization collapse.
They live to comply with authorities. The fascist (real corporate-government merger kind, not just things that make faggots cry) power structure demands cheap labor and destroying White families was the cheapest way to provide it...until India joined the game.

>>518543455
Those arent machinists. Those are button pushers. You are a button pusher.

>>518547059
Wanting daddy govt to hold your hand and wipe your ass from cradle to grave is niggotry

You will be gassed in ww3

>>518547162
Hello rabbi.

>>518545388
Those are programmers, dumb fuck

>>518547059
>laws that prevent employees from paying you shit
We do have such laws. Many of them aren't enforced, for example the federal law that forbids an employer hiring illegal aliens.
So over time all wages trend toward the legal minimum wage, and then employers still get their illegal workers to work off the clock and they don't complain or report it because they're racially born to be slaves.
The problem is not the laws, it's the enforcement.
Either the officials don't want to enforce the law, which we know is true in Trump's case because he's said it, and in some cases at the state level the officials are overwhelmed by the scale of lawbreaking and they can't enforce it against most employers.

>>518547209
Hello govt asshole licker

You just got mad over the truth cunt

>>518547059
>This guy cant live off 40 hours a week because you dont have laws that prevent employees from paying you shit.
>Do you really not see the issue here?

Corporations are EXTENSIONS of the government. They are literal legal false persons set up to insulate those whom the government wishes to protect from loss.
Profit is always privatized.
Loss is always born by the masses.
That is by design.
The will of the people has not been a factor in our government for a very long time now.

>>518547316
>The will of the people has not been a factor in our government for a very long time now.
I'm not sure it ever was.

>>518543287 (OP)
>>good pay and benefits
can you expound on this?

>>518543287 (OP)
I get 33k$ in neetbux a year for doing zero, zilch

>>518547300
Im not mad at all. Thanks to global labour rights i get paid holidays, insurance and other benefits plus a wage with which is could buy a house, afford to go on vacation at least 3 times a year and still have money to save.

>>518547356
I want to believe.

>>518547103
>>518547066
I've done both.
The last machine I worked was CNC, but the ones before that were literal WW2 veterans.
I mostly ran a Babbit bearing broaching machine made in 1938.

>>518543287 (OP)
>Why don't you take the cnc pill?
because chatgpt will be running that thing within 12 months

>>518547066
Sounds pretty nice for $40/hr.

>>518547457
Lolno

Lying isn't cool niglets

>>518547316
Aye, its a well known fact US government is just a puppet show owned by corps. I mean the US is the only ((((democracy)))) where you have to sell your soul to companies to get enough sponsorship to even run for office in the 1st place.

>>518545201
No, China is doing all of our specialist work now too.

>>518547083
I’ve never seen a jeet working a cnc but women are taking over the technician slots. Most of my repairs are because a woman’s depth perception is not as good as a man’s and she crashes the machine

these jobs are never coming back

>>518547431
Go back Ahmed.

>>518547769
Yea white people dont get neetbux in the US unless they are so trashy (trailer home, 10 kids, pilled out whore for a “wife”) they can’t be called white anymore. Just a light skinned nigger

>>518543287 (OP)
>>518544068
>>518545201
I hate normie germanic nimwits like you
Naive basedboy cuck phenotype
Spineless, low IQ and ingratiating

>>518545388
Lmao AI has already destroyed this list, Models are done

>>518544785
No one uses AI for precision machinery you Eurocuck, i doubt you ever know this because your people only has master degree on Muslim cocksucking

>>518545201
>I thought this only applied to grunt work.
lol. 9 months ago, that retarded South African flat out said he brought Indians over to replace the native workers.
How do people forget this quickly, holy shit

https://xcancel.com/MFG_SMB/status/1973011466090430932#m

interesting x thread pertinent to this one

>>518547675
>and she crashes the machine
A childlike understanding of the world too.
>Well, why not just take off another .020'?
>That would be faster.

>>518548116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZTGwcHQfLY

really nice grill scrubber, also relevant, this vid racked up a million views in less than a day iirc

>>518543287 (OP)
consensual non consent it hot I agree

>>518548127
They also never do a polish pass and assert that we are retarded for doing it and then they blow $15,000 spindles

>>518548116
The guy hits the nail on the head.
If we don't pass on the valuable experience to younger generations it gets lost.
He's also right in the fact that these boom er business owners are stuck in old ways and refuse to innovate to grow with the changing market. I saw this with my previous employer. Smalll family business that had to give work exemption to few employees until their contract ended to save costs fue to high energy prices and most of the work going to cheaper asian countries as the Trump steel and aluminium tariffs went into effect.

>>518548411
>50 minute advertisement
>product is insanely over complicated and expensive and difficult to make
>not once does it show the product being used
I hated that guy before because he's the epitome of loud midwit and now I hate him even more.
>>518548792
Last job I had was for exactly one of those old boomers who refused to modernize or innovate. Total shitshow, high turnover, low quality product. I quit after two months because it was obviously never going to get better.

>>518543287 (OP)
This is also a jeet job now. What part of being replaced with cheap slaves are you not understanding?

>>518548411
That guy is literal glowie (works for dod)
Everything that comes out from that mouth is a lie period

>>518549021
I have to say I did genuinely feel bad for him and my colleagues and we did make high quality stuff. Mainly milling and boring large gearboxes for ships and heavy machinery and parts for off shore oil rigs. The people that worked there were incredibly skilled and knowledgable. Still learned a ton working there. Was always a fun challenge programming the product from scratch all the way to machining it.
Its just a shame my boss was too retarded to modernize.

>>518549539
ok, that is plausible,
would you inventory these lies?

>>518549714
How come the people who worked there didn't organize and pool together the money to start their own business?

>>518546195
About a year ago. Idk maybe ricans are lazier

>>518549885
Most of them were nearing retirement age. Besides those 10 ton boring machines cost half a million a piece and then youre not even talking about all the other costs.

>>518543287 (OP)
Based actually, I got a 3d printer just for fun but now I want to move onto something more advanced, a lot of people have made their own diy cnc machines. I think they also sell cheap hobbyist cnc machines but i dont know for sure

>>518543287 (OP)
Because you get laid off every year, sometimes more than once, in manufacturing until you're in your 40s and the new hires are making more than you despite you training them, doing their maintenance, and genuinely being a bitch for your boss.

Never work a manufacturing job without a union.

You wouldn't speak to the police without a lawyer.
ALWAYS have your own criminal handy to deal with other criminals.

>>518543455
>>518543757
All I’ve heard from my engineer friebd is that there is a shortage of machinists and they’re paid well.
>1pbtid
Oh ok, you’re two demoralization disinfo shills, got it

>>518550198
does it really cost 1/2 BIG ONE if no one is going to use it?

>>518550361
engineers are bad at business

>>518550397
Gigantic cnc machines and honestly almost all cnc machines hold value very well as long as they are well cared for and maintained

>>518550200
>a lot of people have made their own diy cnc machines

no, there's maybe 6 on youtube that have made a somewhat functional lathe from scratch and all the work they put into it they might as well have spent making money and buying a lathe

>>518550397
Yea, the oldest rig there was only 10 years old.

>>518550643
sorry, they're going on a cargo ship and someplace else

>>518550563
>memeflaggot has an opinion
Into the trash it goes

>>518551002
your flag is meaningless to me, you could be from anywhere

>>518550747
Look I’m just not going to read a memeflag post. I KNOW I KNOW, it’s just that I’m not reading it all lol

You are basically working class unless you make above $120,000 annually. Tell me. How many CNC machinists are making excess of $120,000?

>>518543287 (OP)
What do I need to get into this game? I’m a retard so give me the run down please

>>518551002
Engineers are mostly pseuds and materialistic NPCs. Just because they have commonly have vaguely libertarian or ConInc sympathies doesn’t make them based.

Haas is shit

>>518543757
Why is welding bad for your health?

>>518551299
there are no old welders

>>518551219
Basic geometry and trigonometry, being able to think in 3d space and program with xyz etc coordinates.

>>518543287 (OP)
CNC is cool tech. i wish there was more of this here in the USA. that's the kind of job that should be a standard job in a first world country. that and chip manufacturing. anything with complex machinery really.

>>518551283
Damn you described my engineer friend perfectly lol, he still a bro though and a step above the average normgroid

>>518551299
The fumes are poisonous and the intense light fucks up you eyes. Fucks up your back too.

>>518551299
metal fumes are right behind radiation in terms of deadliness to human cells.

>>518551217
You're working class until you no longer work, regardless of how many digits are in your income.

>>518551299
Checked
You're exposed to a lot of toxic fumes, dust, and heavy metals, anon

>>518546021
>>518545401
>>518545025
The country is insanely corrupt in ways europeans cannot comprehend. You know how euros backpack through shitholes like morocco and then get got by the local wildlife, and then are very surprised and alarmed that such a thing could happen? That’s how they are about america. Their image of america is a land of white pioneers, cheap or free empty fields, cool gigachad cowboys, a few niggers and muds here and there (it IS le frontier after all!) and very little government.

In reality they know nothing of the africanized, latinamerican hellswamp that north america is. It has bothing in common with the 19th century colonial america of european imagination. They literally cannot understand that canada and america aren’t white european countries like their own. That’s why so many european tourists get mauled in ghettos here.

So no they don’t understand the problem with Boeing. Or with any other company in this nightmare eye of sauron land.

>>518543287 (OP)
>machine does the work for you
It won't do your thinking for you. The pay will be worse if it does and you're in a production environment.
>>huge field with plenty of niches to specialize in (programming, designing, operating)
The machine operator isn't the one tasked with programming or designing. That's left to the engineering department and the CAM programmers.
>>applicable to turning, milling, boring and 3d printing a plethora of different materials
No, those are all specialties. Grinding, Welding, Plating, and many others exists too. Turning includes boring. Additive manufacturing has its own sub-disciplines. You have no idea what you are talking about.
>>good pay and benefits
Wrong. Operators get pretty lousy wages because they're just running approved programs. Setup/Prototype/Tooling Machinists get paid slightly better but those positions aren't as common.
>>518544785
The stakes and costs associated with trusting "AI" to do either means that it's not a position at risk of being replaced by it for quite a while. You're not going to get properly applied tolerancing or GD&T out of a generated drawing, let alone properly dimensioned part requirements that are compatible with the equipment limitations of the shop you're working in.
>>518544910
>How much do the machines cost?
Used CNC mills range from $40k to $200k depending on work envelope. But that won't include the costs for rigging, tooling, certification/calibration, or even electrical hookup to get the machine operational. Software seat costs for CAD/CAM software (and getting WORKING post processor outputs for your machine) are other costs that people overlook too.
>>518546006
>I'm actually thinking of building a small one, for hobby purposes.
That's the only good motivation for building a small one. Do it to learn and as a niche interest as it will give you practical skills. Getting a CNC router setup and operating correctly takes a lot of time and effort.

>average wage in US is $27/hr
workable if you live in the sticks I guess

>>518546661
Actually as per the law they cannot, but america is a third world mud hellscape where laws are picked up and followed or ignored and discarded based on how they make jews feel at the time.

>>518551643
> In reality they know nothing of the africanized, latinamerican hellswamp that north america is.
In our defense it wasn’t always this way and as recently as the 90’s it wasn’t so bad. However 90’s and onward was the rapid descent into vantablack niggerhell

>>518551219
https://archive.org/details/Foundations_of_Mechanical_Accuracy_by_Wayne_R_Moore_1970/page/n1/mode/2up

>>518551643
moroccans themselves were outraged and the perpetrators were executed

Machine shop owner here. CNC jobs start with button pusher. You will be instructed to put the part in a certain way, push start, take finished part out, and hit the e stop if something fucks up. You will net be expected to set work positions or tool lengths. These jobs I start at 20 for a person with experience. Next up is set up man, you do all the same stuff usually except you do set work positions and tool lengths. Start these around 25. I am paying someone 28 now, who is from south america and really good. Didn't try to hire a south american guy, he was just the best applicant. Next rung up the ladder is someone who can do all of the above and do some light programming, basically some hand editing but not a new program. Usually pays around 30 for some who is good. Next up is someone experienced with CAM, which I have never hired and I can't find anyone to hire who is worth a shit. The south american guy is actually leaving soon, I'm hiring if anyone here knows fusion 360.
To anyone considering this field, it is extremely stressful for the money you make. One small error might be a mistake that costs 10's of thousands. It will happen to you someday if you do this long enough. Everyone with years under their belt has crashed. But you get to do some cool and interesting shit too. I love running a machine and I like challenges though.

>>518552157
Sounds like you need the government to protect your company from foreign competition so that you can afford to pay real wages.
Who the fuck wants to dedicate years of their life on training and experience to get paid $30 / hr?

>>518543757
If i was living in america i would try to become a linesman, work the high voltage powerlines.

>>518544068
Wat verdient het bruto in de maand ongeveer zonder te overdrijven?

>>518543287 (OP)
one of my friends works for 3D Systems, he 3D prints metal medical parts all day and cleans them up, spine implants and shit custom fit to people’s bones

>>518552157
I could do all of that but I currently make way more then $30/hr so it doesn't make sense for me to switch over

oh look its another boomer trades wagie psyop. make your boomer boss more money, he has 2 houses to pay for while you pay 60% of your paycheck on rent in a shithole apartment and can't afford groceries.

>>518552363
I feel you man, and I completely agree. But I only make 120k myself. And I suffered through a lot to get to where I was making 30 myself. But you're right I can't be sell product and make money paying a machinist 100k a year if my competitors aren't doing the same. I do offer 401k and health insurance for what its worth.

>>518552700
I would pay more to someone with a CAD CAM background

>>518552408
It's one of the deadlier jobs here. Does pay well though.

>>518552748
I don't know how you can compete at all when there are millions of Chinese companies that have way lower costs because wages are much lower and housing is much lower and they don't have as many government restrictions bearing down on them.
The tariffs should be higher and should have been in place decades ago.
If we're all meant to compete with the third world then we're going to end up with the same wages, same living conditions, same low quality, same everything. It's not a competition that can be won without large scale intervention enforced by a competent military.

>>518543455
No offense but that explains why the company I work for has frequent QC issues with American parts. When I saw the parts I knew a non-White made them

>>518543287 (OP)
you need to have an engineer degree for those.
software "engineering" is a meme

>>518552568
Ik zit nu op 3700 bruto met 2 jaar ervaring programmeren en besturen. Dus als je een beetje goed bent kan je er snel al wat uit halen.
Als je alleen maar op een knop drukt en alleen maar grote series maakt verdient het natuurlijk minder.

>>518543287 (OP)
You probably should watch some videos of the CNC community OP.
They are not doing well. It's not as rosy as you make it sound. It's still a complicated job market. The hard part isn't even the skilled part, it's the economic & business part.

This is a trend people should be noticing already. Being skilled doesn't matter anymore. Things work differently nowadays. All that matter are investors, stock prices and gaming the system.

The problem is much deeper than simply "minorities are making everything bad".

The system is broken even before letting immigrants in. Because this system is set so that your country can't survive without them in the first place.

Fixing the world requires to rethink the system. Not endless bipartisan infighting. That is just playing further into it.

>>518552955
Well I'm not just a machine shop that cranks out huge batches of identical parts. I manufacture a finished product, that would be difficult to ship. That said I could be making a lot more if I had my machining done over seas. Even now with the tarriffs I could be FAR more profitable by just eliminating my entire cnc area. I won't do it though, I just like doing that part, and if it creates some jobs here great.

>>518552708
Oh look a commie nigger kike

>>518552860
That's my career path. I have 14 years of experience with CAD w/ GD&T, CAM, and even CMM certification. But I also did a lot of prototype manual machining on lathes and knee mills, ran a 3D printing farm, learned TIG welding, and was required to learn about pressure-casting epoxies. Then eventually cost analysis and quotation.

>>518548099
This is just hatespeech

>>518553408
what state?

>>518552955
>I don't know how you can compete at all when there are millions of Chinese companies that have way lower costs because wages are much lower
You have to find a customer base that has restrictions or requirements that prevent those from being supplier options to them. ITAR, security clearance limitations on the drawings, ISO 9001 certification, and even the requirement for material certifications and part inspections for narrow tolerances on dimensions or other geometric or finish requirements will make depending on foreign suppliers impossible.
Indian or Chinese companies can make you parts cheaply, but you can't assume that the materials they use are going to meet domestic regulatory requirements (especially if you are producing pharmaceutical, food-grade, or aerospace components with those parts).
I've outsourced simple parts that weren't cost-efficient to produce inhouse but the company I worked for was an approved supplier and the customer didn't have specific enough limitations on how the parts were produced (and the IP for the drawing wasn't limited either). But I've also had to work on projects where no outside assistance of any kind was permissible and every part of the process required closed custody of the parts/materials and paperwork due to clearance restrictions. So even final inspection couldn't be trusted to be done by a third party.
I've also worked for pharmaceutical companies where the long term goals for business structuring mean that relying on vendors in other countries is just becoming less reliable and not worth the "savings" as a result of the inconsistency in the quality of the parts provided and the lead times on the parts with higher rejection rates both keep getting worse.

>>518543287 (OP)
I am a machinist(set ups, some programming, mills, 2
Axis lathes, 5 axis turn mills) it’s a poorly paid vocation at least in this region. I am taking classes to get into the medical field.

Shops will not pay more than $25 an hour, benefits usually suck as well.

I have never met a wealthy machinist, plenty of wealthy plumbers and electricians though. The only machinists I have met who have any degree of financial stability have wives who have better careers.

>>518545564

I don’t even trust engineers to design proper parts, I have often had to ask them why their designs have specific features(features that make machining that part difficult) sometimes they realize the error in their ways, but some of them are daft. Like why put a .006 radius for one edge and a .008 radius on another? Just use the same radius.

>>518552998
You live in goymany but get parts made in the US???

>>518547464
I one time ran a keyway slotting machine that was made in 1917, it would broach keyways for big fucking 3’ diameter sprockets.

>>518548099
Don’t you have some monkey brains to eat?

>>518554112
That reminds me of this story about a metallurgist who falsified test results for half of the US Navy's steel for 30 years.

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2022/02/14/metallurgist-gets-25-years-for-faking-steel-test-results-for-navy-subs/

>>518548792
Conversely the very low entry pay dissuades many from entering the trade.

>>518545388
how do you read this list? which one gets most occupated by AI?

>>518547103
Notice the past tense in my post. I went over into QC. I did operate a manual mill and lathe before, but not much.

Actual machinists on a big CNC have to deal with switching out tools, making sure code is running and even adjusting the code for parts variation. It's not much, but also not nothing.

>>518553713
Pittsburgh, PA currently.
Used to live in northern VA but it was a miserable place to raise kids because schools are shit despite all the home prices being too high. And all the people I used to like there moved to other states to find different jobs.
>>518554250
>I don’t even trust engineers to design proper parts
Because too many of them have never had to actually make the parts they are designing themselves. So they don't know their ass from the elbow about machine operations or even the limitations of different machining methods/tools. I had to learn CAD and CAM in parallel and they're very complimentary skill sets, but most degree programs only do one or the other. Then half-ass all the practical components.
>>518554606
Doesn't surprise me much. Project Manager got laid off from my first job after a year because he was supposed to be documenting a proprietary process in order to train other people to perform it consistently. And when it came time for other people to use his notes none of them made any sense and he couldn't explain how he produced the parts he claimed were within spec.
Certified material reports make materials more expensive for a reason. And machining specimens for material property testing of various types (mostly tensile, but some charpy) was one of the earliest CNC programming tasks I was given.

>>518548099
we do actually
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Vuts59kP3mo

>>518543287 (OP)
CNC is a phrase foids use as code for wanting to be raped by Chad, so that's gonna be a tough sell.

>>518543455
>>518543287 (OP)
Also China has CNC farms.

What the fuck do you think you'll be making that will make you money?
Not even at lowers are profitable. Once you kick the $30k for a 6vaxis you're best bet is custom aerospace parts buy demand is so low you'll never win the contracts

Whatever, keep paying taxes though, for me it's sitting at neeting like a mideval king

>>518545434
this is my dream. or even working full time for 6 months, then having 6 months off. not too outrageous in a place with seasonal work.

way, WAY better for family life, too.

>>518554448
Nieche industry, suppliers are globalized

>>518552998
Oh they will send out absolute trash and act like the customer is just wrong when they refuse to receive it. They do this with everything, houses and cars especially.

When I moved over to QC I would get chewed out for flagging their nonconforming parts. The childless woman with zero experience would get mad that I would dare to critique their work. The Mexicans would also throw non inspected parts into my inspected parts just to try to circumvent inspection. That forces the whole batch to need reinspection. Woman retard would bitch me out about it even after security cameras proved they were doing it.

Fuck working with beaners, ever.

>>518555651
Boomers cause this

>>518544785
AI can only do 'impressionism' so far, it's horrible at anything that requires precision

>>518555221
Seriously they say that? Damn women are dog tier retarded. They are goat tier retards if that’s true ong wtf. Dogs are smarter holy fuck

>>518543287 (OP)
I have extensive experience but cannot find a CNC "job"

>>518555651
A spic grass landscaper mauled my garden on purpose for some unknown reason. We think it’s because he wants to ensure he has our business bc if there’s No garden then there’s just lawn.

>>518556725
Is it possible to DIY your own company? Maybe making parts for niche industries?

>>518543287 (OP)
I really want to.

Every week I see CNC jobs advertised in my city. With good pay.

Maybe once a year I see a relevant apprenticeship. I'm going to have to join the military for a machinist apprenticeship I reckon.

>>518555055
I'm in Florida, lot of buzz going on about Florida really turning into a manufacturing state

>>518543287 (OP)
>>518543455
>be me
>go on CNC forums
>lots of boomer white experts with decades of experience
>everyone admits it’s basically a break-even hobby unless you have a sweet military contract or something
yeah, no thanks

>>518551534
“Working class” doesn’t mean you have to work stupid. It’s a distinction about access to wealth. The working class just makes enough money to keep working and that’s it. People who make $150,000 might have to keep working, but they can afford to buy a house or invest, which takes them out of the working class. They can sell their assets and retire one day. The working class cannot. They’ll work until they die.

>>518555320
You lack imagination.

The wooden interior of high heels can be created with CNC. You can print money. Just get some nice patterns of spoonflower.

>>518545388
>be me
>hobbyist translator for beer money
>AI slop translations come along
>still wrong all the time
>but at least it sounds right, unlike old Google Translate
People get what they deserve, and AI is basically just jeet-tier quality work (programming, translation, engineering, etc.)

do I need a masters degree that will put me 2 millions dollars in the hole and a decade of studying?

I worked in a CNC shop for ten years and pretty much busted my ass every day from operator up to team lead up to shipping and receiving supervisor. Thank god I got a lead on a job in the aerospace industry because that shit was going fucking nowhere ever.

>>518557652
Nah if you start as an operator and show somebody you can code and figure out maintenance stuff then you can move up the chain. The pay is not that good though.

>>518543287 (OP)
Have you seen what CNC has been offering??? 12/hr to 20/hr if you’re lucky, you’ll make more milking the govt for neetbux

>>518545388
>every job that isnt retard tradie shit that destroys your body

grim

>>518554250
>>518555055
> Because too many of them have never had to actually make the parts they are designing themselves. So they don't know their ass from the elbow about machine operations or even the limitations of different machining methods/tools
Same problem with other engineering disciplines. I think co-locating engineers on-site with the builders (construction sites, factories, etc.) would help a lot.
I notice that with asian products, typically japanese but even chink-tier shit, that the designs incorporate a lot of thoughtful features that basically cost nothing because the engineers clearly have experience using it and saw the error of their ways.
>t. engineer, they made us work with labtechs to build our own stuff, but it’s nice if you can have back and forth chats with crusty boomers about why your design is retarded and why they can’t do math

>>518543287 (OP)
Currently work at a CNC company where most people are Ethnic Germans but they pay isn't too great. However getting new parts sucks since mostly woman and faggots do customer service.

Had to wait 2 weeks because they had delivery issues and they still charged me fully.

>>518554250
Nice Mazak you got there. What machine is it?

>>518543455
Skill issue

>>518557362
fellow cnczone appreciator

>>518555651
this for sure happened

>>518558115
Mazaks are nice from a programming perspective but the material and build quality leaves something to be desired. They don't hold up well to abuse. The Okuma lathes that I used to run could be hit by a truck and you just re-center the turret and keep running lol.

>>518557382
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISdxQGqaLEc

It's Friday woooo!!

>>518558857
There's nothing unbelievable about that story. Production shops hire people for $20/hr and push them for maximum output lol.

>>518559154
thats what I said this for sure happened

>>518556752
your garden is a bunch of gay weeds

>>518558996
We only have 1 Mazak here. It's not too bad but the parts are crazy expensive. Most machines here are from Haas

>>518543287 (OP)
Average cnc job pays about half of my base salary
my gun habits are too expensive to take a pay cut

>>518559429
Yeah they're nifty from a tech perspective. We had one of their little lathes that we used to replace our grinder because it could theoretically hold really tight finishing tolerances. The older machines could never pull that off, but god help you if one of the retarded operators crashed it. The chip conveyors also get stuck constantly.

>>518557480
Nobody is CNC machining high heels in a 1st world country

High heels are made from scrap in 3rd world shit holes

>>518547083
1. Use 3D printers to make custom jigs for weird parts that are in demand.
2. Start your own business.
3. Stay under 15 people so most fed civil rights act bs doesn't apply to you.
4. Check state level CRA laws.

>>518543287 (OP)
I make twice as much fixing farm equipment as I ever did as a CNC programmer/operator.
And that was making aerospace parts.
All the anons saying how the industry is getting fucked by bottom of the barrel shops hiring jeets and beaners for maximum profits, minimum costs with zero fucking QC are 100% right.

>>518559252
Who is this?

>>518543287 (OP)
It's really not a high skill job, they hire guys fresh out of high school and train them up quickly. The high skill jobs are the engineers who make the CNC drawings. The operators basically just feed it the drawing and hit a few buttons.

There are worse jobs for young people for sure, there are positions that pay decently and you don't need a college education to pay for, but you're resigning yourself to lower middle class if you plan on it for a career. Plus a lot of these jobs are in hot factories that are basically torture in the summer.

>>518560977
if you're going to ruin your life at least do it with a an EDM machine

>>518544785
use AI to print your parts and see what happens

>>518558624
sauce? who that?

>>518559429
Siemens machines are common in the US from what I've seen. It's a little surprising that German companies are using American machines and American companies are using German machines.

>>518553250
The problem is that Boomers didn't let the banks fail in 2008

>>518561461
twalmbout taytay b

>>518543287 (OP)
I am learning it actually, here is my project for a golf club.
Sadly, i won't be able to make these because buying one of those machines will cost tens of thousands and wagecucking will give you like 12 eu\hour if could find a job and thats a big if in a country with second largest unemployment rate in europe.

>>518543287 (OP)
good thread.
i actually helped a zoomer get in to the field.

why CNC is immune to brown people:
>too complicated for spics and niggers
>too loud/physical for pajeets
it's in that sweet spot where only a White man can do it.

>>518547903
SSDI is the golden ticket, anon.

>>518560103
Bespoke women's clothing is insane, especially weddings

>>518558624
>>518561461
>>518561688
A gilr from Sam Hydes grooming and torture porn show. He works for Peter Thiel who is funding grooming networks to replace Jeffery epstein. The crew fucks all the girls btw.

My boomer neighbor worked at machine shops running a lathe for a lot of years. Even back when it paid nothing they still made you buy your own tools. Before the collapse of aerospace in California there were a lot of small shops with government contracts.

The cheapskate that made him buy his own tools died at his desk doing all paperwork for the government and his son became a meth addict living on the street once the shop was closed.

>>518543287 (OP)
Isn't that a rape fetish?

>>518561970
>here is my project for a golf club
boomer moment

>>518561606
Mazak is Japanese

Working on big mill machine rn.
Late night shift, good work, ok €/h.

AI will take over progrmming i m o.

120 workers in my company, only 4 shit-skins.
A lot of Russians and Germans are working in this field.

>>518560757
Are you a service tech for those predatory maintenance plans that John Deere and the like force on farmers?

>>518562566
You laugh but who plays golf? Rich old people and they love personalized shit.

>>518543287 (OP)
AI will take it over in 5-10 years.

>>518563489
but im not laughing

>>518545388
>historians
>0
if only you knew how bad things really are
i mightve been a historian
but then i realized i didnt want to be stuck defending the holocaust to children, or wiping hot chip dust off of museum displays for the rest of my life.

thats the problem with living under jewish occupation, look at all those useless jobs. its basically just jew babysitting. or moving jewish money from one jew to another jew, with it inevitably going from point A to point B, C, D, and finally back to A. its all a fucking illusion, tedious timewasting.

>>518560954
Thats a man, baby!

>>518553162
What's the max salary?

>>518545388
We're actually hitting Star Trek levels of technology and people still believe everyone needs to have a job...

>>518551831
onefinity? I went with shapeoko and it's alright but their emergency stop button logic is screwy and effectively ruins the part instead of retracting the tool and stopping the spindle

4x4 is good but I'd like a 5x10 vac table. cabinets seems like a profitable niche, testing it out on my own bathroom right now

>>518543287 (OP)
>is an actual high skill job too complicated for shitskins
the defects are obvious. You can feel them with your fingertips. Also the shit stains are on the end product, not the keyboard. I concur.

>>518543287 (OP)
the amount of shit you need to know as a machinist is more than mechanical engineers, material engineers, doctors or lawyers, but you get paid 22 bucks an hour after 10 years.
You also have the stress of making something that costs 100k on your shoulders where one tiny mistake can turn it into scrap.

>>518543757
>Panda Express starts at 20/hr

Bullshit. My friend works there and barely gets 16 as a cook. Then again we don't live in Commiefornia

>>518565436
As a machinist you need to be barely smarter than average ape or pajeet it is when you do designing and programming things very quickly go from gentle foreplay to pine cone sodomy.

>>518563935
there are so many intricacies in machining different materials that AI would have a hard time dealing
theres no way AI could deal with fixturing in a job shop
AI would be far better at taking over health care positions, but that has insane bureaucracy protecting it

>>518565905
if you are working in a factory making something like some component for a trash can, then yeah you get button pushers
if you are working in tool and die, medical, scientific or aero then the amount of knowledge you need is absolutely insane

>>518566035
Again, as a *machinist* only thing you do is push a button and maybe check tolerances, it is what that profession implies.

>>518543287 (OP)
Cnc machinist is for monkeys. All you so is pushing buttons in a loud stinky and hot enviroment that is filled with latent homosexual low wage meathead boomer sweats that think drilling a hole is the coolest thing ever. Literal niggger job

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arbpWmAIxJM

autismGOD peter stanton
this guy is like 80 years old but looks to be in his 60s

>>518551283
>Engineers are mostly pseuds and materialistic NPCs
Yea, especially the NPC part. Many have good mental processing power but this only serves to reinforce their own biases about already knowing everything there is to know. There is almost nothing more frustrating than trying to have a discussion with a libtarded tech bro. It's like beating your head against a wall.

>>518566211
what do you call the people that program CAM or deal with weird materials in the machine?
people that don't have to figure out dies are not machinists?

>>518543287 (OP)
I own a machine shop with 2 lathe CNC's.
It is a good career, the earning potential can hit 6 figures.
It is not an easy job. You will be working 80 hour weeks. It is very math heavy, you will need to know trigonometry and basic algebra. It is dangerous. Many shops are going out of business right now because of the tariffs.
That said, I heavily encourage younger guys to take a 6 week machinist course at your local community college or trade school, they cost like $500. This is a job that you could support a family with, you'll be making $70k within 2 years and 6 figures in 4 years if you pick the right industry and have an aptitude for it.

>>518566435
>what do you call the people that program CAM or deal with weird materials in the machine?
Engineers.

>>518548099
No one uses AI YET. This is just one of many things that will be replaced by AI in the next decade.

>>518543287 (OP)
>shitskins are taking over your IT
>is an actual high skill job too complicated for shitskins
>low skill floor but a high skill ceiling
OP is totally not a shitskin trying to brainwash whites into shit jobs

>>518566480
>you'll be making $70k within 2 years and 6 figures in 4 years
>if you pick the right industry
Right, so basically nobody is going to get this unless you get lucky
>inb4 you try to tell me some shit
I waged at this for years and finally got the fuck out, that's why I'm lurking the thread

>>518566494
lol no
Engineers design the part
Machinists make the part
There's all sorts of weird ass shit machinists will have to know on how about going to make the part, tool geometry, order of operations, specifics of how the machine should run (IE speed/feed) which becomes incredibly complex a lot of times

>>518556808
50,000 loan minimum for just the machine. Not to mention everything else. A place to keep it. Maintenence chemicals and everything. Easily 100,000 upfront minimum for just materials.

>>518566791
You are wrong. Every thing you list is already programmed and machinist doesn't need to know any of that, again maybe apart from tool compensation.

>>518566480
>shops going out of business because of tariffs
lol wut

they are going out of business because you can have something made in China to high degree of precision these days for 200 dollars where as this would cost you 5 grand in the US due to them having super low regulations, wages, etc.

Tariffs will help manufacturing. There are tons of openings and new positions in the industry and wages are going up quite a bit now.

>>518567104
depends on age of the machine
usually the most complex task is adjusting for wear on cutting heads amd rerunnning the program from that point. machinists are usually broke niggers where im from regardless

>>518567104
maybe things are different in Finland, but in the US an engineer will design something, that's as far as they go most of the time, some places will have cross over positions but that's not the norm.
Machinists in the US will be responsible for everything after getting the CAD file.

>>518567104
I program and machine every product myself form the drawing I get so yea I do need to know all of that. Engineers merely designed the product, which is their job. They do not actually know how to make it, that's my job to figure out.
What you're describing is a button pusher, not a machinist.

>>518567466
you'll generally have different positions though, like a higher up machinist that does CAM will get the file and do the CAM work, then hand that off to the operator.
I guess this just means that engineers in the US are overpaid
machinists in the US are underpaid and engineers in Finland are underpaid

>>518543287 (OP)
The free market has decided it's better for you to take estrogen and make an OnlyFans.

>>518543455
I make 44/hr equivalent coding from home.

>>518567466
>maybe things are different in Finland
They probably are. I also had a month of experience as an exchange worker in Germany and those fuckers even have people that come and change tools in the machine for you.
>>518567603
There is no such occupation as "button pusher"

>>518567325
I manufacture under ITAR, China cannot make what we make. Still getting fucked because of rising costs, as are most shops I know.

But thanks for telling me how my industry works you fucking retard.

>>518567795
a 'machinist' that only takes stock, sticks it in a fixture, closes up the door then runs a program while sitting watching their iphone for 20 minutes, takes the part out, repeat for 8 hours is a 'button pusher'
there are thousands and thousands of these positions in the US, China, etc.

a machinist will be the person that actually figures out how to make the part, which is usually quite complex
which is why it's such a poor career to go into, the level of expertise you have compared to compensation is insanely low

>>518543287 (OP)
used to be 11£/h when minimum wage was 3.75£
now its 15-16£/h with minimum 12.21£
its better to work in LIDL or ASDA
no hassle and you get 10% discount

>>518567870
>claims to be in ITAR
>being effected would mean use of material coming from China

lol
LMAO even
you're probably a janitor

>>518565436
lmao In-N-Out Burger pays $21/hr starting and you can make manager and making $100k+ in less than 10 years.

>>518558115
Integrex I-100

>>518543287 (OP)
the machine shop in my town pays $16 an hour 12 hour shift 4 - 5 days rotation
fuck that

>>518561970
anon you can pay for cnc service on ebay

https://www.ebay.co.uk/shop/cnc-service?_nkw=cnc+service

>>518561269
I like running the one EDM machine that works at my shop, I am not breathing in coolant.

>>518543757
I was trained on the job and I make $41/hr with 13 years experience.

>>518543287 (OP)
Cnc moulder operator here. Make $38 hour work Monday to Friday 7-3. Cozy ass fuck job owners and manager are all right wing. Union gig and they don’t let the non whites near the heavy machinery. There’s only like 5 blacks there I think.

>>518568183
thanks jews for telling nixon that allowing fiat and trade with china would be good for the US
adjusted for inflation the average wage of a machinist in 1975 would be like $115 an hour

>>518557589
are things the same right now? I mean 3/4 years ago GPT 3 /3.5 was shit but what about now?

>>518567720
>>518568183

This is why America will lose the next world war.

>>518568836
$22 an hour, set ups, some programming, making orthopedic surgical components, health benefits fucking suck and the CEO is part of the merchant tribe. Shop has a high turnover rate.

owo a collectible!