Thread 518560042

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The kids were wrong for walking up to him and assaulting him.
He was wrong for shooting them while they were retreating.

Charges should be set to manslaughter, and they should analyze whether or not he should be safe to carry a firearm.

Quick to draw is important, but trigger discipline is even moreso.
Just having a gun typically in show of force is enough, without necessitation of use of force.

Fundamentally from the camera footage, it's clear that one or both of the kids had a weapon in hand, or feigned to.
Allegedly there had been previous interaction between the kids and the man where a threat was made.

It's my belief that until all details are out we cannot know for sure - but inferring from what is currently known he's in the wrong for shooting them specifically because when he did they were in retreat.

Key note: One of the boys instantly saw him reaching for the gun and turned to run, the one who survived.

If they did actually have weapons on them, his defense has a chance of getting him off the charges entirely but given the circumstance it's unlikely. He'd need a REALLY good lawyer.

Wanted to share this and give my 2cents since no one else here's talking about it.

>"The Kids"

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>>518560042 (OP)
>Be American
>Have guns
>Use guns for self defense
>Get life sentence

>>518560244
14 / 15 yrs old = kids.
Not adults.
Teenagers are still kids unless I'm mistaken somehow
>Child or young person

>>518560329
Like I said, he didn't HAVE to shoot them while they were retreating.
>Trigger discipline is important.

>>518560042 (OP)
>Just having a gun typically in show of force is enough, without necessitation of use of force.
This is brandishing and it's illegal. If "the kids" had any form of weapon then it's justified in most states. Both were shot in the moment even if one tried to flee. If it goes to trial it'll only because this is in LA, Chicago, or New York area.

he will walk this is classic self defense inb4 demoralizers come in.

chauvin was a cia case that shit does not ever happen in real life.

>>518560691
No, it isn't.
In a self-defense situation it's 100% warranted to show your weapon and do everything you can to de-escalate from there if you CAN. Otherwise you're obligated to use your weapon to defense of yourself or others if the attackers continue.

If you ever went to any training course they'll tell you what brandishing is - pointing it at people. I can carry it safely all day long.

lol pussy hole niggers

>>518560604
They're niggers

>>518560604
nah youre wrong, theyre just animals, not kids

>>518560042 (OP)
clearly a man who knows not to relax, it would've saved his life in a slightly different situation.

>>518560042 (OP)
here is the acronym
my guess is he will win in court but cost lots of $$

>>518560042 (OP)
american whites and blacks are both uncouth uncivilized animals, i feel bad for their women

>>518560986
>In a self-defense situation it's 100% warranted to show your weapon
They'll 100% claimed you pointed the gun at them and threatened them. That you started the conflict and cant use self-defense. The video is realistic. You dont have time to flash your gun. If you do then it's likely not self-defense. Look at what happened in the Apple River case. The guy shows his knife and that display is a large part of his long sentence.

>>518560986
>just brandish your weapon, bro!
somebody post the image of the jeet who tries this while walking up to a truck and gets one-shotted in the head for it

He was assaulted? By green? How?

>>518560042 (OP)
Obvious to me this was self defense. Two people standing behind me when one of them had made comments about violence against me?
Nah bro. I would have drawn first. If any of the boys had a weapon, full exhoneration.

>>518560042 (OP)
Fuck that nigger

>>518560604
They're someones' kids, but they're teens. Kids are < 13. 13+ are teens, 18+, adults.
It's not hard to understand. If you choose to not understand that's your problem.

>>518561994
I need more details

>>518562414
Now that’s what I call a rare Pepe

>>518560691
Here is my state's law. I would imagine most others' are similar.

You're an idiot.

>>518561302
It saved his life here. They were going in for the kill. At the very least they were going to rob him.

>>518562414
He's just like Brandon Maxfield, only the little bastard deserved it. I love happy endings.

>she some dumbass cracker working on their bike in the hood
>offer to help because this guy must be clueless if he's doing that in the hood
>shot to death

>>518561353
Under imminence - when he fired the weapon - they were already retreating. That's the point I'm making that is going over everyones heads here.

That or they're all just bots but I genuinely just believe people are this stupid now.

If he shot them as they're still approaching I'm all for it - never relax. But that doesn't mean fire into their back.

Unless they had guns, he's legally in the wrong.

>>518560042 (OP)
>they were in retreat.
They were in "skirmish mode" looking for cover to assault him from further.

No nigger beast is innocent.

The threat has to be neutralized first.
That means shoot niggers.

>>518562591
No, children are <13. Kids is a loose term for young people or children.
Includes teens.
You're the one who chooses not to understand common parlance and the literal definition of the word I already greentexted for you

>>518560042 (OP)
Wtf did they end up cric'ing that nigglet? Preexisting trachostomy? Why does he have a vent tube going in his neck?

>>518560042 (OP)
Man did nothing wrong. Niggers swarming you like that are always about to rape and murder you
NOT GUILTY

>>518563230
This is the kind of well-poisoning that makes me question how people become this retarded, but it's self-fulfilling.
When you're fucking stupid enough to hear it and believe it, you're doubly capable of spreading it to more retards.

I will pray for you.

>>518563424
Shut the fuck up, niggerlover

>>518560042 (OP)
>He was wrong for shooting them while they were retreating.
No. A threat is still a threat, in retreat or not. The victim has reason to believe they'll be attacked again.

>>518563424
>When you're fucking stupid enough to hear it and believe it, you're doubly capable of spreading it to more retards.
I hope nigger hate does spread, the world would be a better place without them.

>>518560042 (OP)
well at least he took out one

>>518563175
good point

>>518563424
I'm not attempting to change your mind.
I will instead shoot niggers.

Maybe after I shoot you I will have changed your mind?

Does anyone have a link stating the lifeguard's side of the story? Every judenpresse article is just like "mup da doo didda dey waz jess playin' n sheeit dem keeedz dindu nufffins sheeeeit"

Looks like he intentionally set up his bike blocking the sidewalk and when they went to walk around him he attacked them.

>>518560042 (OP)
He's innocent, they were robbing him and one seemed to be pulling out a weapon

>>518560042 (OP)
>Sir could you please remove you bicycle from the sidewalk to do your repairs. Happy to help if you need assistance, I have a degree in aerodynamics?
*BLAM* *BLAM* *BLAM*

This is Amerikkka

>>518564211
If it's good enough for a pig then it's good enough for a Citizen.

>>518563251
Parents will always call their own children their kids. It's an irrelevant point to make. Parents don't dictate the classification of age.
Kids are < 13. You don't go to highschool and say "look at the kids."
It's generally "look at the teens," or "look at the young adults," literally go into any department store and notice how the clothing is organized. Kids, Teens, Adults.

> You're the one who chooses not to understand common parlance and the literal definition of the word I already greentexted for you
"parlance" ok.
Instead, I choose to recognize how age is classified by kid -> teen -> adult. It's been that way for longer than you've been alive and it'll remain that way far after you've committed suicide.

>>518563175
>If he shot them as they're still approaching I'm all for it - never relax. But that doesn't mean fire into their back.
You have clearly never encountered wild niggers. They attack like a pack of wild dogs, they never bite from the front, they run up, feint and pull back so one of the other ones can run up and knock you out with a kick to the back or a rock to the back of the head. We haven't seen the uncut full footage, I guarantee they had been running up to him and trying to shove him over or grab his keys/walled for several minutes before one of them got bold enough to approach him from the side

>>518560042 (OP)

I know the injured black people are there to pull at the heart strings but it just induces laughter.

Black people voted for this plus this never would have happened if they stayed in Liberia.

>>518560329
I don't see a need for the gun use there.

>>518563175
In his situation it's impossible to tell that quickly and react that they were "retreating" he stopped after the second one got shot and that's enough.
You're fucking retarded if you think watching a video and actually living in the moment are the same thing.

>>518563175
> Under imminence - when he fired the weapon - they were already retreating. That's the point I'm making that is going over everyones heads here.
They were already too close and within 3 seconds you cannot prove they would have run away if there wasn't a gun.
> That or they're all just bots but I genuinely just believe people are this stupid now.
You're the one making the sweeping assumption and dismissal given a limited view of all evidence. You want to call other people stupid...?
> If he shot them as they're still approaching I'm all for it - never relax. But that doesn't mean fire into their back.
They're already within the danger space of approaching someone. Moving any further and they would be inside the shooter. You don't have a point.
> Unless they had guns, he's legally in the wrong.
They could get the gun from him since they were that close. You have no idea if they knew he was armed and were looking to pick that gun off of him.
You're trying SO hard to push a specific case resolution that is void of any actual real reason or evidence backed claims other than your warped "feelings."

>>518564515
>I don't see a need for the gun use there

You would use tanks instead anon?

You bigots need the rope EAT SHIT

>>518564515
That's because you would have given Tyrone your wallet and apologized for being sub White while spreading your sodomite butt cheeks.

When you'd really be some resentful, dysgenic, mutt, sub human, nigger kike spawn.
That has always been jealous of White people.
Like the Cain monkeys your ancestors bred with.

>>518560042 (OP)
Just stop using your instincts or intuition, you'll go to jail.

>>518564985
I WILL SHOOT (YOU)!

>>518560042 (OP)
>He was wrong for shooting them while they were retreating.
Fuck off. People have the right to defend themselves.

>>518560244
DAMN KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN

>>518560042 (OP)
Anyone have an actual link to this story. This all seems like an AI post with bot replies rambling about self defense.

>>518560604
Nigger kids then. But hey, age ain’t nuttin’ but a numba cuz!! It’s all about intent.

>>518560042 (OP)
>Just having a gun typically in show of force
Brandishing is illegal memefag.

>>518560042 (OP)
TND

>>518565109
jail or death?
In jail you'd get a chance to off more niggers & zogbot pigs.

>>518560604
Kid is informal English typically denoting someone who is no longer a toddler. People using this word for a group of teens know they're being dishonest.

>>518560329
Pigs gotta keep their commie jobs

>>518560042 (OP)
Chicago is a dystopia society where it’s basically Africa and Mexico and whites are the minority getting targeted.

>>518565170
EAT SHIT BIGOT...you will never win in the end because you are all cowards including the bots in this thread

Goddamn it. Some jew and a bunch of Christians are gonna make that nigger a millionaire. Should have finished all of them off.

Don't want to get shot, don't be sound White people. Simple as.

https://abc7chicago.com/post/video-shows-what-led-chicago-shooting-douglass-park-killed-marjay-dotson-injured-laquan-mcdonalds-cousin/16891049/
>Marjay Dotson, 15, was killed and 14-year-old Jeremy Herred, the cousin of Laquan McDonald, is still in the hospital.
Family of thieves.

>>518560042 (OP)
>jew meme flag
>wants credibility anyway
>"until all details are out we cannot know for sure" but opines about a bunch of shit anyway
>nob one else here's talking about it
Yeah no shit Shlomo

>>518564299
>Shiggidty doo bop no cap you hear cracker
*BLAM BLAM BLAM*

>>518565381
>Anyone have an actual link to this story
Just google "lifeguard shooting Chicago" there are like 10000 stories about it.

None of the stories explain whether or not the two kids shot had firearms on them, which is critical information to the story. The fact that the national media never ran with the story indicates to me that at least one weapon was recovered from the niglets that got shot.

>>518560042 (OP)
Guy did nothing wrong. Clear case of self defense. Besides, TND. Only good nig is a dead one.

>>518563424
Ah yes, because niggers have never ran to cover only to shoot back at you when they are behind said cover. This is your brain on nigger, never do nigger children! It will ruin your life.

>>518560042 (OP)
They weren't retreating, fuck niggers and fuck you.

>>518560986
>Memeflaggot trying to get people thrown in jail.
What a shock! Remember, guys, shoot first and ask questions later. That is literally the law; ask me how I know... The next time I have to draw my gun in self defense, that whole magazine is getting emptied into something.

>>518560986
You won't even brandish your fucking flag you lying fucking nigger.

>>518560604
Niggers are deadly at 10. Fully grown by 13. And when in packs they can be deadly even younger. Those niggers were surrounding him. They had disabled his bike so they could jump him, and they got what they deserved.

>>518560042 (OP)
He did nothing wrong, I will always support my own people no matter what they do to shitskins.

>>518564985
Go back to what ever dregs of reddit you crawled out from. Fucking nigger loving predditor

>>518560986
>>518560604
shut the fuck up you nigger lover.
I hate nigger lovers like you. stop enabling them.
a 14 year old nigger is a grown ass man and if he fucks up should be put down.

>>518560604
>14 / 15 yrs old = kids.
>Not adults.
>Teenagers are still kids unless I'm mistaken somehow
We call them fags or faggots around these parts

>>518560042 (OP)
>He was wrong for shooting them while they were retreating.
Literally did not happen. This could expose you to a libel suit if you're not on a VPN lol.

>>518563175
Retreat can mean moving for cover to fire back. It can mean ducking behind a building to ambush the victim once he's relaxed. It can mean running to a stashed gun.
Once the decision is made to fire, you go to fucking town. Unless they're completely disabled or surrendering fully, they get perforated.
Once you've fired on them, they're now going to feel justified in firing back, too. So you're suddenly very vulnerable.
Once you've identified your possible assailants and they've left you no choice, you gotta do what you gotta do.

>>518566959
EAT SHIT BIGOT FAGGOT

>>518567478
die nigger

>>518560042 (OP)
hope they rape that muttoid in prison

>>518565381
iirc, those blacks were the ones who initially fucked up his bike, so in the process of him fixing it, they walked up behind him...

>>518564359
changing the goalposts doesn't make you right, just less intelligent.
The definition from the dictionary is young people AND children. Teenagers = young people.
/thread

>>518564825
Nothing you said has anything to do with the legal precedence which is that if someone is retreating and is no longer a threat - you do not have the right to eliminate them.

It's also just the simplest form of logic/reasoning we can exercise in a civilized society with boomsticks.

Grow up and stop trying to debate the truth, wierdo

>>518565682
That isn't true at all. You're being dishonest in saying teenager is the only descriptor people use. They say 'kids' 'young adults' 'young men/women'
Because they aren't adults yet. They're still kids. Inherently. Legally, they're kids until they're 18.

Get over yourself and accept common parlance.

>>518566348
That's why I'm saying he could be totally in the clear and justified, Idk if he saw a gun or not lol.
But if he saw knives and they're running away, I think john wicking them isn't appropriate under color of law (based on previous precedence and accepted case law)

>>518567279
Except it literally did. One of them visibly retreated seconds before shots were fired, the other one had his back/side to him and was moving away as he was shot.

Pay attention to the literal video in front of you moron.

>>518560042 (OP)
>He was wrong for shooting them while they were retreating.
No, he wasn't wrong for shooting them in retreat. Once you have provoked a legitimate self-defense reaction, your life is forfeit unless you surrender in manner that reasonable people understand to be surrender.

Retreat's just a tactic to procure weapons. This is how I intend to vote if I'm ever on a jury.

>>518561353
>Avoidance
What a faggot law. If "avoidance" is part of self defense then there may as well not be a self defense law at all. If you're in a situation where you need to defend yourself with deadly force, the assailant has to, by definition, have something capable of killing you. You know what will get you killed almost 100% of the time? Turning and running from that person. If their intent is to kill you then it shouldn't be your duty to try and de-escalate. They threw that out the window

>>518571923
If that's the case, he had a right to defend himself, but again, we don't have all the details and based on the video - he shoots two black men who are actively attempting to retreat.

The lawyers will have a field day and that's what i'm curious about - the legal outcome. not all this moral pandering or racist lunacy.

Blacks themselves accept a lot of blacks are stupid/violent.
Whites themselves accept a lot of whites are stupid/violent.
Uneducated people are violent.
Violent upbrining = violence.

Anyway, I'm only surprised by the response here because it was so utterly bereft with people who can't read, and who refuse the accepted definitions of words in the english language.

>>518572510
That's so incredibly obtuse and wrong holy cow you actually don't know anything about civillian self defense law.

>>518572113
What goal posts did I move? You're the one trying to define teenagers as kids. Can "kids" drive cars legally? No. Teens can. Young adults can.
Teenagers = young people, yes. That doesn't make them kids. Damn, you're trying so hard.
>>518572205
> Nothing you said has anything to do with the legal precedence which is that if someone is retreating and is no longer a threat - you do not have the right to eliminate them.
What legal precedent? You're trying to appeal to language not law. They're teenagers or young adults. Not kids. I didn't realize I needed to consult a lawyer to use my eyes to determine that.
> It's also just the simplest form of logic/reasoning we can exercise in a civilized society with boomsticks.
Someone with reason would point to a teen and call them a teen, not a kid. You, clearly, do not have the ability to reason. You think you do but you haven't shown it at all.
> Grow up and stop trying to debate the truth, wierdo
You're the one trying to downplay their real age? That's the truth. Whatever you're trying to push isn't much of anything.
>>518572299
They're not kids. Legally they're MINORs until 18. NOT kids. Glad I could clear that up for you.
>>518572391
Being armed is enough of a reason to not let someone get close to you. They can take the altercation to the ground and relieve you of your weapon. You've never actually owned a firearm in your life, have you?
>>518572500
1/2 of the victims ran when they realized they fucked up, the other died attempting to run after fucking around. You don't get that close to someone and surround them. Period. They put themselves into that situation and that guy paid the price. That's the fact.

>>518572705
>That's so incredibly obtuse and wrong holy cow you actually don't know anything about civillian self defense law.
Know more than you, faggot.

>>518560042 (OP)
>Quick to draw is important, but trigger discipline is even moreso.
Fucking noguns loser memeflag. Every fucking concealed carry class ever tells you never draw unless you're ready to shoot. Fucking KYS, you glockswitch using nigger.

>>518564515
You wouldn't see the nigger's knife or bullet pierce your heart, either.

>>518560042 (OP)
why are niggers so bulletproof? I would be dead if I was him.

>>518560604
>he didn't HAVE to shoot them while they were retreating.
I hate this shit. The burden should not be on the victim to perfectly measure the amount of force necessary to defend themselves. The aggressor broke the peace, the victim is likely in shock/panicking, if they end up stepping too far during the heat of the moment, they should be at no fault. This shit is so backwards to me.

>>518572661
> If that's the case, he had a right to defend himself, but again, we don't have all the details and based on the video - he shoots two black men who are actively attempting to retreat.
Oh, so now you care about getting the bigger picture? What happened to >>518563175
and me calling out your flippant assertion that your interpretation is undeniably correct? >>518564825
>>518572661
> Anyway, I'm only surprised by the response here because it was so utterly bereft with people who can't read, and who refuse the accepted definitions of words in the english language.
Not much to read or see with only 10 seconds of evidence, chief.
>>518572705
Don't go to Florida bozo, you'll find out quick how wrong you are.

>518572113
>518572205
>518572299
>518572391
>518572500
>518572661
>518572705
Did you want to show off your amazing law degree in basket weaving?
I think you may need more education.
I'm curious how you would handle a serial killer who had their trial 2 weeks before their 18th birthday. Do you let them out because you think they're "a kid."

>>518573195
Damn, forgot a crucial word... Maybe you'll hook onto that instead of your original flawed argument.

>>518560604
yeah but they're niggers, not humans. we don't call 14 year old chimps "kids".

DEATH TO THE NIGGERS
GENOCIDE NIGGERS
END ALL NIGGERS
KILL ALL THE NIGGERS

>>518560604

14 / 15 year old body of a man; mind of a child. These nigs have been sports balling since 8 years old and have packed on 7 years worth of muscle, physical endurance and capacity to fight. They aren't like our white 14 / 15 year olds who are still weak from 6 + years of playing video games and using the ipad. The niggers collapsed on him like a football formation. Being outnumbered and in unfamiliar territory the whiteman drew his weapon and fired.

Blacks teach eachother to hate whitey and to treat him poorly. Black parents teach their kids in the ghetto to "get" whitey. If you ask me the nig was wrong and the white man did what he had to do.

>>518560042 (OP)

black affirmative action doctor too busy sending dick pics to care for the boy who was just shot... How in the fuck did the boy even survive?

>>518573163
Go to the ghetto on accident. Wrong turn on bicycle.// Drive over a nigger needle get flat tire.
White man is prepared to fix a flat tire.
niggers sense a white man is vulnerable.
collapse on him like a pack of hyenia's
one nigger gets shot; is surprised the white man fought back.
Black doctor takes selfies of the kid more than treating the kid. Kid dies?
Black Judge and jury decide to "get whitey" and come back with guilty verdict.
Just another day in niggerville
In niggerville you better pump out as many illegitmate children as possible because you're only going to live to 25 and your kids have a higher chance of dying than being born

>>518560986
>I can carry it safely all day long.
Not if you plan to start altercations with people like those boys did. That's very unsafe, as they found out.

Being alive is the only reward. Fuck these niggers never let them shoot first