Thread 518593853

so when did gaping exit wounds suddenly become entry wounds? just checking. i could be wrong but i think it was around the time super bones became a thing.

People's physiology changed with the Mandela Effect. I remember when kidneys were below the ribcage and when your heart was off to the left a substantial distance. You can see it in old movies too.

stinky thread

>>518593853 (OP)
22lr expands a lot

>>518593853 (OP)
Exit wounds have always been bigger.
>>518594944
The human heart has always been almost centre and just slightly to the left. Your kidneys protrude from just under your ribcage which is why they're a target if you punch/kick someone (i.e. they're easy to locate and vulnerable).

You're both retards.

>>518594944
checked. i think its because everyone is so literally retarded. all a bunch of mkultra victims so incapable of clear rational thought they just believe whatever retarded shit the movies and tv have programmed them to believe. you get shot, blood goes spraying out the entry wound. when any hunter will tell you otherwise, any emergency room nurse or doctor could plainly say no thats an exit wound at a glance. suddenly no one has anything to say, no one on X was spouting off yeah thats a fucking exit wound. only nobodies like me pointing it out. and its so obvious.

>>518595261
apparently not in charlie kirks case, the entry wound is gigantic and the exit is nonexistent because muh super bones. you seem to be missing the point, noguns jeet perhaps?

>>518595224
especially if you drill a hole in the tip it does or use hollow points. would make an exit hole almost as big as the wound in charlie kirks neck.

Charlie Kirk was shot by a 100 year old gun that had low muzzle velocity and the surgeon who worked on him noted he had unusually muscle density in his neck.

You retards were pretending he was shot from behind by a gun hidden in a camera only to do a complete about face when he had no wound in the back. Fuck off, lol.

>>518593853 (OP)
That .45 exit wound is "ready to settle down" now.

>>518595606
>Guns get old and tired
>Trust me bros, I'm a COD expert.

>>518595224
And it bounces around in the body.

>.40 is five times as big as the 9mm hole
>They are the same size bullet
Noguns thread.

>>518595790
They are made for that, but you need short range

>>518595736
Go ahead and point out exactly what I said that was wrong, anon. The gun was 100 years old, even brand new it had a relatively low muzzle velocity compared to modern firearms, and the surgeon who gave you the exit wound talking point also noted Kirk had unusual muscle density in his neck (but you ignore this while focusing on what he said about an exit wound).

Also, you retards were making threads about how Kirk was shot from behind only to completely change your conspiratard nonsense when it came out Kirk didn't have a wound on his back.

>>518593853 (OP)
Everything is Fake and Gay.
AI slop just made everything more fake and gay.

>>518595790
Can do, they do surprising damage. Put it next to 223 and see the same bullet with so much less powder and its hard to imagine they could even break skin

>>518595856
so you think the wound in charlie kirks neck was an entry wound or not?
>>518596023
pretty much. but no one has questioned the obvious lie that wound was an entry wound. thats not due to AI. thats something else.
>>518595714
roasties gonna roast

>>518593853 (OP)
ER doc in a regional trauma center here.

Every GSW is different, and the only surefire way to know the caliber of the bullet is to retrieve it from the victim or measure it on XR.

In general it is often hard to differentiate entrance and exit wounds and especially so ones which strike at supersonic speeds as they, assuming they miss the rocks in your body, travel in a relatively straight line and maintain a ballistic trajectory through the victim.

Large exit wounds are the product of small arms ammunition that loses velocity and tumbles in the body often exiting sideface, or hollow-point which turn into shrapnel, but with that you dont get a large exit wound, if you get one, but many small ones.

As far as super bones. Your bones are basically fucking rocks and unless its supersonic at impact the bone is gonna fragment the bullet, yes the bone with break, but it is very rare to see a clean hole through bone without seeing scattered shrapnel. In fact the only time i can ever think of a clean through and through to bone with a bullet wad in a 15 y/o that got shot in just below the knee and the bullet went straight through the proximal tibia growth plate which is cartilaginous bone.

So, in short, OP eatches to much tv and movies and needs to go volunteer at his local ER.

>>518596227
>so you think the wound in charlie kirks neck was an entry wound or not?
You cannot tell from the images available.

>>518596457
but are you vaxxed

>>518596457
ok reddit spacing ER doc. i watch too much TV so that is why i am so misinformed that exit wounds are large and entry wounds are tiny. TV also taught me that entry wound bleed very little and dont gush blood like an exit wound. so you saying that wound in charlies neck was an entry wound and that you seriously need to know the caliber to make that educated determination? youre full of shit. thats a fucking exit wound and hollywood didnt teach me that, hunting did.
>>518596492
why you reply to me twice, you really are new. 5 different angles of HD footage not enough for you? want to go hunting sometime you can see what a bullet does for real and not just speculate online pretending to have expertise you clearly do not. how much narcan you go through a week in the ER doc?

>>518595283
I dunno man I clearly remember Dolly from James Bond because I had recently gotten braces when I saw it.

CERN has been mucking with time and dimensional stability and we are not really destroyed by it, apparently, but reality is transformed. I think it's Satanic, it's said that this sort of thing might happen in the end times. I remember Mandela dying too, the first time.

>>518596457
Just point out the crumple zone of a car. It prolongs the crash by only fractions of a second but that's enough to greatly dissipate force. It's the same with a bullet hitting something--even a few fractions of a second is enough to change the force; thereby an entry wound is akin to a piercing whereas an exit wound is more like a tear/rip.

>>518596979
>I dunno man I clearly remember Dolly from James Bond because I had recently gotten braces when I saw it.
i remember that too. and CERN satanic, yeah it is but they are not doing anything other than burning money. black hole physics in general is a kike math hallucination dead end. its mostly based on dividing by zero, nothing to do with reality imo. i think its the same people behind CERN but they have mkultra dumbing everyone down while censoring anyone stating the obvious.

>>518597026
Its also the way skin works, its stretchy and tough but has the muscle behind it so it can't stretch away. But on the exit there is nothing behind the skin so it bulges out quite a lot, absorbing a lot of the energy before tearing

>>518596948
Kirk was hit in his carotid artery, retard. Asking why his wound poured blood is like stabbing a water balloon and wondering why it squirts water.

>>518597153
>dumbing everyone down
Everyone talks about "critical race theory" being taught in schools but no one ever mentions "critical reading".

https://youtu.be/8ynCVmw5AWk

>>518596457
And you ARE aware that a 30-06 is a supersonic bullet, right? One notorious for going clear through enemy soldiers and leaving them in the fight, right? This wasn’t a pistol caliber or medium rifle. And it was stopped by super bones???

And as for entrance and exit wounds it should be pretty obvious given what was around Kirk and the path the bullet took. But it won’t be released because of there IS a known trajectory then their shooter is known too.

>>518597227
>everything i learned about firearms was from the movies
you are the retard. if i shoot a deer in the carotid where do you think the blood goes? out the exit wound in the back. almost nothing will come out of the tiny pencil sized hole in front especially with the shock wave forcing everything including blood toward the exit direction. so if i shoot you in the neck while facing you, you expect i will get sprayed with blood based on the TV or movies. when in reality the spatter will follow the trajectory of the bullet entirely ending up behind you. ask any forensic tech thats worked with blood spatter evidence.
>>518597422
checked. this nigga gets it.

>>518593853 (OP)
>exit wounds
>on a 9mm hollow point

>>518597502
Its military performance isn't reliable because thats FMJ

>>518597695
to be fair it doesnt say hollow point and the essential point is that charlie kirk had an exit wound in his neck. not an entry wound. your comment would seem to endorse that take.

>>518597502
The muzzle velocity of the gun that shot Kirk is only 2/3 that of the modern average and that's assuming the gun was as pristine as it was 100 years ago.

>>518597812
entry and exit wounds work the same at lower velocity. check out the hole a subsonic 45 round makes.

>>518597648
>if i shoot a deer in the carotid where do you think the blood goes? out the exit wound in the back.
Kirk didn't have an exit wound.
>checked. this nigga gets it
Thanks.

>>518593853 (OP)
>22lr exit wound.
On what, a snake?

>>518597697
Lmao, you are surely aware that most 30-06 ammunition is FMJ, right? https://www.luckygunner.com/rifle/30-06-ammo

And the armor piercing stuff is BEYOND that. Just classic 30-06 rounds would go straight through Japs charging and they’d keep charging. Same thing in Korea. Yet suddenly magically this supersonic round known for overpenetration fails to penetrate?!?!? BS.

>>518597812
A) what are you basing this off of? Because the Mauser was rehabbed supposedly
B) even so STILL a supersonic round. Still ultra heavy, also going to overpenetrate. (Still faster than a standard 5.56 which go through people all the time)

>>518597927
thanks for ignoring the point and the bump.
>>518597902
yes he did, the big hole in his neck. the entry wound was a tiny hole somewhere opposite that point.
>>518597936
haha you are aware there is zero evidence that gun was used to shoot kirk. its nowhere visible in any of the footage, found far away in some bushes by the ever trustworthy fbi. yeah right.

>>518596457
I've heard that too, like it's hard to differentiate entry or exit wounds, I like the old crime scene recreation shows from the early 2000's

>>518595606
30-06 will drill a hole clean through a grizzly bear.

>>518598122
checked. no its not hard. you must have seen that on TV. its easy. very easy.

>>518595995
Low velocity would come from old ammo. Any standard 30-06 will devastate flesh. Nothing in your neck could stop it. Doesn't matter how old the gun is.

>>518598064
>yes he did
Not according to the ER surgeon.

>>518598236
>Low velocity would come from old ammo
Look up the average muzzle velocity of rifles that fire the same type of ammunition. Look up the type of rifle used to assassinate Kirk and its muzzle velocity. The gun that shot Kirk was 100 years old and in pristine condition it is still ~1000 fps slower than the ~3000 fps of modern rifles.

>>518597153
Nah they did something. I am a Gen X'er and I don't remember nearly so many NPCs being around in the old days. Something weird happened. I don't trust reality now. It seems to clash with my memories and experiences on a fundamental level and it's bizarre. For me it's the Berenstain/Berenstein bears thing. I grew up reading those books, you could bring in Campbell's soup labels and somehow trade them for books. I read them early too, I was an advanced reader who could read in Kindergarten.

>>518598236
an army of morons wanting to talk about the weapon when the topic is the wound. exit wound big. entry small. same rule applies across all calibers, velocities, and firearms of all ages. yet all these ppl wanting to go on about minutiae of cartridge velocities. that was an exit wound on his neck and all this side talk and feeble ER doctor explanations are just convincing me the astro turf is on trying to convince all not to trust our lying eyes. none of you know what weapon was used, but we do know that was an exit wound. so why is anyone especially the authorities pretending its not?
>>518598296
i dont care if jesus himself said that horseshit. its a lie, a blatant one and appealing to authority is not an argument.

>>518598486
>Nah they did something. I am a Gen X'er and I don't remember nearly so many NPCs being around in the old days
its just the internet putting them all in your face now and we have bots in here as well acting just as retarded as possible.

>>518598501
>i dont care if jesus himself said that horseshit
Then there's not much point having a conversation because we're not basing anything on known facts. I'll accept the idea we have limited information but going off of nothing but conjecture invites confirmation bias motivated by prejudice. This is the perfect recipe to attract wingnuts and once they're involved you can kiss whatever modicum of truth, be that it lends itself to an conspiracy or otherwise, goodbye.

>>518598456
Bro, a 30-06 is FUCKING POWERFUL. I've killed many deer with it. It was the most popular gun in America before the AR-15 because it could kill anything in North America. Anything over like 2000fps is devastating and hits like a meteor.

>>518598989
>conjecture
im not imagining things from a written account. there is HD video from many angles. its an exit wound. you can even see the shock wave moving from back to front in the slow motion video. i know what exit wounds look like. im speaking from experience and common sense, that is an exit wound. the fact i only have your schizo ass replying and a bunch of bots is telling. i mean i waited a long time to bother saying anything i probably should have been posting that day but i figured this place of all places would come to their senses but no i have bots going on about oh that chart is wrong or its really hard to see exit wounds vs entry and you saying oh the ER doc said so with no photographic evidence so case closed. i guarantee you there is an entry wound on the right side of his head probably just below his ear but we will never know. especially you mr trust the obviously lying ER doctors. you probably are the type who watches building 7 fall and say yeah thats thermal expansion all right because kike run NIST said so. cant have wingnuts questioning authorities.

>>518598486
>For me it's the Berenstain/Berenstein bears thing.
It's literally half and half. Some are printed Berenstein some are printed Berenstain, and that is the actual explanation for why that is. And my theory is that the authors were jews who were BerenSTEIN, but changed their name to BerenSTAIN to hide it, and continued to deny ever being stein, because even their publisher thought it was stein it was a story they wrote in some of the back of their books. I'm with you on the NPC increase though. Non-schizo explanation is technology, subliminals, and mind control, more schizo nobody actually wants to put their soul into certain bodies so they're empty vessels.

>>518598147
It depends on the type, people have already pointed out he was probably shot by the fags grandpas hand loads from 50 years ago

>>518599308
it can move at the speed of light and the entry wound will still be the size of the round while the exit wound will be many times greater. like the size of the hole in kirks neck. so im assuming you generally agree that was an exit wound and not an entry wound. because obviously youve noticed the forward spray of blood when you shoot a deer. right. it sprays blood everywhere in the direction the round came from and not the back right.

>>518599494
assuming for a second that does not matter. that the round will go through no matter what, is the entry wound going to be larger than the round itself? no. so we are in agreement. glad to see you all agree that was an exit wound on his neck. not an entry wound. the round was too small to make that large a hole on entry.

>>518599517
I agree that the neck stopping it is suspicious as fuck. But the energy dump from a rifle round can absolutely blow pressure out the entry wound.

>>518599662
The chances are extremely low yes but not impossible especially if it was infact an old and weak round

>>518599517
I never actually saw the back spray, and i'm red color blind so blood is almost invisible to me lmao.

>>518599704
only in movies. it doesnt work like that in real life. without an explosive squib that does not happen.

>>518599308
>Bro, a 30-06 is FUCKING POWERFUL
A 100 year old gun with a low muzzle velocity fired at a downward angle with a soft point bullet.
>>518599342
>the fact i only have your schizo ass replying and a bunch of bots is telling
You're ranting about minute details that need to be framed according to an overarching conspiracy and I'm the schizo? You're paranoid that everyone replying to you is a bot but, again, I'm the schizo? Lol. Next time just call me an NPC, anon.

>>518599856
if you check the grass you can see it, its always behind where they were standing when you took the shot. crime scenes are the same way, the room isnt covered in blood, it moves in a very predictable pattern from gunshots. it follows the trajectory of the bullet.

>>518599517
>it can move at the speed of light and the entry wound will still be the size of the round while the exit wound will be many times greater
It's comments like this that remind me doctors aren't scientists and generally suck at anything that isn't basic rote biology, lol.

>>518600020
>You're ranting about minute details that need to be framed according to an overarching conspiracy and I'm the schizo? You're paranoid that everyone replying to you is a bot but, again, I'm the schizo? Lol. Next time just call me an NPC, anon.
the fact i am pointing out that is clearly an exit wound is more than you can handle? its an exit wound, you know it, i know it. why you so afraid to admit it?

>>518595424
Because it was a fragment of the bullet, retard. Did you even watch the video?

so someone tells you an obvious entry wound is an exit wound then they follow that up with a whopper about super neck bones then someone else tells you a bunch of things about a gun that is no where to be seen in all the video of the accused shooter. and you buy it. and im the schizo. ok.

>>518600020
The age of the gun doesn't matter. Standard 30-06 ammo is calibrated to the original standard from 1906. Soft points fucking shred and firing down would only put gravity on your side. Soft points are the hollow points of the rifle world. Was he using some shitty handloads? That would be the only decent explanation, but you'd have to fuck up real hard. Like the Garand had special low pressure ammo and it still drilled the fuck out of people.

>>518600224
i did watch the video and i see a clear exit wound on his neck? what do fragments have to do with anything?

im tired. fuck you guys, ive learned all i needed to know. its impossible to get through en masse here anymore, the bot noise and retards and shills drown everything out. pol before bots would have called out that charlie kirk shit day one. and the canada bro probably is a bot, fucker double replied to me at first.

>>518596227
No idea I was just saying OPs image is retarde. Police data shows all these rounds above 0.38 perform the same.

>>518598679
It's in real life too. It's crazy.

>>518596938
No.
>>518596948
The carotid artery and jugular vein gush blood. Entrance or exit matter not. A fucking spoon cut to the carotid will gush blood.
I learned this from seeing thousands of of GSW, stab wounds, car accidents, medical accidents (misplaced IJ by med student) in people.

And you said 2 stupid things in 2 different places hence 2 responses, this time your 2 dumb statements were in 1 place so 1 response.

No video footage of someone moving is not enough, need to see the actual fucking wounds.

>>518597026
2200fps entrance to 1800fps exit isnt enough to chang wound character. Its still travelling in a straight line and spinning. The exit wound is piercing too.

>>518600175
>the fact i am pointing out that is clearly an exit wound is more than you can handle?
I can handle it but the fact is there's plenty of information available that justifies the belief it was an entry wound. Now, in order to believe your version of events one has to ignore all of this while buying into a wider conspiracy for it to even make sense.
>why you so afraid to admit it?
The fact you're projecting emotion into the conversation makes you seem unstable and indicates rationality isn't what is guiding your pronouncements.

>>518593853 (OP)
>finding herself
vs
>ready to settle down
looks different

>>518600224
There was no fucking vest I can't believe people are still so malinformed after this much time has passed.

>>518600288
>The age of the gun doesn't matter
yes it does. older gun with shittier tolerances could easily lose pressure.

also the ammunition used definitely does matter and you have no idea what kind of ammunition he was using. they could have been soft-loaded handloads for all you know delivering less energy than a 9mm.

>>518600288
>The age of the gun doesn't matter.
Muzzle velocity decreases due to wear on the barrel and, like I said, even when the gun was in pristine condition its muzzle velocity was only 2/3 that of a modern rifle.

>>518601620
He also mentioned gravity in relation to speed (as if that matters for speed, lol) when I obviously ment it would travel through more of the body and not straight through his neck. What a dumbass.

>>518601620
>>518601644
Muzzle velocity does not decrease with age. wtf are u smoking? It's all about the ammo's pressure. Standard 30-06 rounds are all loaded the same.

>>518597502
Theres no proof of what object hit him. No autopsy was done and no probably not even an xray, dude was dead when he got to the ambulance. Theres not even pictures of the wound post-mortem floating around online. So your assumption that its 30-06 is wrong. Assuming it is 30-06 from the videos we see if its an entrance wound then the downward angle would put that bullet into the Thoracic Spine which is thick and hard as fuck the bullet will richochet. Bullets do wierd shit in human bodies. I seen a bullet do a circle around a fat mans belly enternled at the belly button and followed the skin all the way around until it lodged along the 10th rib on the left posteriorly. Never penetrated the peritoneum on pleura and he left the ER with keflex and toradol.

>>518601861
>Muzzle velocity does not decrease with age
muzzle velocity decreases with the shittiness of the gun, and age shits up guns unless you take good care of them.

i'm not going to entertain this absurd argument any longer. machines wear down with use and age and as they wear down performance degrades. end of story. go fuck yourself for this retarded bullshit, i can't believe i even replied the first time. goodbye.

>>518601940
The brass casing expands and seals the chamber no matter how old the gun is. Go watch soccer and cook some eggs, fag.

>>518601861
>Muzzle velocity does not decrease with age
Yes it does, retard. Wear on the barrel causes muzzle velocity to go down. Even when the gun was brand new it's muzzle velocity was only 2/3 that of a modern rifle. This means that your experience of shooting a modern rifle using the same ammunition isn't comparable to the gun that shot Kirk.

Also, the downward angel means it traveled through more of his body than a straight shot through the neck. Add to this the fact that the ER doctor noted in the very next sentence after "I'm surprised that there isn't an exit wound" that "Kirk had unusually dense muscle in his neck". Now, at the fact that he could have been using shot tip ammunition which means force is spread outward and not forward as it travels through something.

>>518595606
>he had unusually muscle density in his neck.

yeah he was skinny chubby but his neck was actual steel according to the doctor.

>>518601940
Wear probably reduces resistance on the bearing surface of the bullet and if anything increases speed by 10fps or.so. older guns are slower because they have to fire lower pressure rounds but this guy was shooting factory ammo anyway

>>518602392
Cool strawman, bro.

>>518602192
A human neck absolutely will not stop an 06. That's bullshit. I've seen is drill 1" hamburger holes clean through big ass mule deers. That was with soft points. Fuck his muscle density. That shit don't matter when you're talking about that much power. WW2 was won with low pressure M1 Garand ammo that fucked up people consistently.

>>518602783
>IT JUST WONT BECAUSE THIS MODERN GUN...
100 year old rifle. 2/3 muzzle velocity of that of a modern rifle (if pristine). Not a straight shot through his neck. Unusually dense muscle tissue. Potentially soft tip ammo.
>That was with soft points
Lol, no.

>>518602943
I can see how an old gun would lose velocity from pit marks in the barrel, but it's not 2/3rds.

>>518602943
It was a mauser, stronger than the typical modern gun

>>518603242
Power comes from the ammo. Only the barrel length can give you more power. The gun doesn't matter unless it was some boomer sporterized cut down bullshit with a short barrel.

>>518603191
>but it's not 2/3rds
Reading comprehension, anon. When the gun was brand new its muzzle velocity was only 2/3 that of a modern rifle. >>518603242
Look it up. I did.

>>518603458
The 30-06 suffers from being made in a time when gun powder was kind of shitty, but it is not 2/3rds as powerful as modern offering of the same size. Even if it were, it would still blow right through that dude's neck.

>>518603191
>>518603242
I just looked it up again and they're saying it was modified to have a shorter barrel (which means even lower muzzle velocity).

>>518602778
It's not a strawman retard you literally repeated that nonsense

>>518603604
My grandpa had a 7mm K98 that he cut down in length. It still killed a bunch of deer. A <200yrd shot with a short barrel 06 will absolutely go through a dude's neck.

>>518603678
>it's believable because a, b, c, and d
>[ignores a, b, and c] D MEANS STEEL
You're retarded.

>>518597936
>Lmao, you are surely aware that most 30-06 ammunition is FMJ, right?
Most of those are soft point.

>>518603369
Yeah im just saying he definitely didn't have to run reduced loads in a vintage rifle as some are implying

>>518593853 (OP)
THATS WHY I CARRY A 1911 HOSS! LOOK AT THAT STOPPIN POWUH!

BARB SAYS HI

>>518603961
>Repeats several times "his neck muscles were EPIC"
>Even complains about anon ignoring it
>Anon then addresses it and calls it BS
>STRAWMAAAAN AAAA !!!
Kike

>>518593853 (OP)
Jews did this

>>518593853 (OP)
As a lifelong hunter wounds are unpredictable. Get a round that tumbles from poor quality ammo or a damaged barrel crown and you can get a big blood entrance wound with minimal penetration. Sometimes you get a big exit wound from a rifle. Sometimes it goes through meat like an ice pick. Expansion is unreliable especially with older soft point designs or military style ball ammo.

>>518595578
>>518595790
as a californian with shit laws and high ammo prices i decided 22 is a great survival caliber in multiple capacities and shouldn't be overlooked

QRD:
>magic neck bones
>grandpa's weak handloads
>a shortened barrel
>a worn-down, leaky bore
*or*
IT'S THE jEWS

>>518606489
Your laws and your ammo prices really aren't that bad by global standards

>>518607831
that doesn't make it ok

>>518593853 (OP)
>I'm ready to settle now

>>518595283
What about the blood that gushed fron Charlie Kirks neck shot?