Thread 518626088

God is perfect and he can only accept perfection. Our sinful condition renders us imperfect in the eyes of his perfect righteousness. Nonmeritorious faith in Christ, who was perfect and who satisfied the standards of God’s perfect righteousness as a substitute with his physical and spiritual death on the cross, makes us perfect in the eyes of God, and therefore acceptable to spend eternity in his presence. We simply accept God’s perfect grace, as a gift, and are born into the spiritual family at which Christ is the head.

Hell is the alternative, eternity away from the presence of God. A place where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Hell,-Description-Of

You’ll notice that for humans the fire is called eternal, and the punishment is called eternal, but the suffering of burning in the fire for eternity is not described. So, it’s likely one might eventually perish, but the punishment of not spending eternity in God’s presence remains and the fire itself remains.

>>518626088 (OP)
It's not described because no one has ever gone there yet, not until God throws death and hell in the lake of fire. There is no water in hell but you will be thirsty.

Proof the Bible is the word of God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ZEsXjNVI
1 Cor. 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAtR40sue5M

Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”
Jesus Christ is God who has come to earth from heaven in the flesh. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and is now in heaven. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Romans 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
John 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand."
God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice: Either choose this evil world and be punished along with it, or choose to submit to the will of God and be saved. Your own deeds, no matter how good you think they are, can NEVER justify you. You're corrupt and need to be saved. Romans 5:9: “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in what HE did for you. Only He can wash away all of your sins with His blood. Salvation is a gift, it can't be earned. Do you choose the righteousness of God or your righteousness? Heaven or hell?

Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbPchtYsXNo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc

If god is so perfect then why did it create niggers, spics, curry niggers, towel heads, and kikes and make women the way they are and make the ability to feel torturous pain and suffering?

>>518626088 (OP)
>Perfect
>couldn't quite get the end of the penis right for some reason

>>518626088 (OP)
>god can only accept perfection
>creates imperfection
lol.

>>518626871
Not God, schizophrenic Jews that wrote those stories.

>>518626088 (OP)
>God is perfect and he can only accept perfection

>>518626764
>Proof the Bible is the word of God:

>>518626870
This is satan’s domain currently, as usurped from Adam. Satan has already been judged and fights against his fate daily, and we are in the crossfire. We are to be soldiers in spiritual warfare in our post salvation lives as a result. Pic very my related.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%206%3A10-17&version=NASB1995

>>518627141
Yeah but god made satan so god isn't perfect

>>518626088 (OP)
You are in a cult

>>518626088 (OP)
>God is perfect and he can only accept perfection
>>518627141
>This is satan’s domain currently
Lol

>>518627050
>>518627103
These are made by some 10-year-old, good job.
Shamanism predates every other religion by thousands of years.
It's a monotheist religion.
The God Christians worship is the same.
There is no such thing as a "Jewish God", everyone has the same God.
What Jesus was teaching is correct.
People such as
>Leonardo da Vinci
>Isaac Newton
>Michael Faraday
>James Clerk Maxwell
were all devout Christians. Newton spent days and days in his study trying to crack the secret code hidden in the Bible.
It took an electronic version until someone finally cracked the code hidden in it
https://youtu.be/t6ck6KrVPIk [Open]

The Bible teaches us to love our brothers and neighbors. It teaches us to care, help and heal people who deserve it. Christians are now in control of the United States and they're putting criminals in prison and deporting illegals, fighting drug cartels, and telling people to go to Church. While atheists were running things, it was the opposite. This is the truth.

>>518626871
>>518626911
>>518627050

See
>>518627141

The fact the world is full of suffering due to Adam’s choice to disobey God profoundly exemplifies the importance of volition. Use it wisely, anons.

>>518626870
He didn't create them they were born through sexual intercourse. God only created Adam and Eve, gave them free will and they have been sinning ever since.

>>518627266
>>518627176
Totally ignored that I pointed this out kek

>>518627248
>These are made by some 10-year-old
>admits a 10 yr old out wits a desert religion and its followers
Kek

>>518627248
>These are made by some 10-year-old, good job.
And yet you cannot refute the points being made
How does it feel to get intellectually dominated by a 10-year-old?

>>518626088 (OP)
He also doesn’t exist

>>518627266
>Adam’s choice to disobey God
God created Adam and the situation knowing what would happen

>>518626871
Mentally ill Jews...

>>518627306
So all of those races I mentioned came from Adam and Eve through sexual intercourse mhmm okay

>*gives your toddler leukemia*
Because he LOVES you!

>>518627005
>schizophrenic jews wrote my holy book

>>518627309
Satan disobeyed God, just as Adam did. Adam could therefore be substituted into your argument, and therefore my picrel addresses it, i.e. God created beings with volition who are responsible for their choices. And because God is love he has provided a means to salvation and eternal relationship with Him despite our imperfection. He has provided both freedom and freedom from condemnation through grace, but we must recognize that truth and accept it.

>>518627387
Of course, in the bible, if a person is born from a woman it's called a son of Man, because they came from mankind not God.

To be born of God is actually how you get saved and born again. It's very important to know the difference.

>>518627378
That’s true.

>>518626088 (OP)
Death to anti abortion nigger lovers

>>518627755
>Satan disobeyed God, just as Adam did.
God created them knowing they would disobey

>>518627755
>who are responsible for their choices
God created all the scenarios to make them choose as they did. And then designed the consequences around it too
>And because God is love he has provided a means to salvation and eternal relationship with Him despite our imperfection
Why does God need blood and death to forgive us for his mistakes?
>>518627854
Doesn't make sense bud

>>518627755
So if god is so perfect how come he made satan and adam and humans imperfect? And before you say free will is part of imperfection you would be implying god has no free will if he is perfect so god is just some machine following a directive based solely on pure logic? Can't have emotions if you're perfect only pure logic is perfect so how can god love if it's perfect?

>>518627891
abortion is Canaanite child sacrifice to molock, you should go hang out at the pizzagate thread.

>>518627854
>*gives your toddler a brain tumor*
because he LOVES you

christkikes are so fucking stupid

>>518628035
free will

>>518628082
True, affliction makes us stronger spiritually.

>>518628099
is there free will in heaven?

>>518628099
So god isn't perfect if it makes things imperfect

>>518628099
Not possible when you believe in an omnipotent being who's will supercedes yours

>>518627266
>due to Adam’s choice to disobey God
Impossible without the metaphysical frame of the religion collapsing.
Literally impossible. A human can't disobey God. God's will is etenral and woven into the very fine fabric of reality. To disobey God would be like to disobey Gravity. It's impossible by mere definition. God is all-powerful, you can't disobey him, even if you wanted to. You're a product of his perfect design, and you can't deviate from your intended function. Even with free will, you're still perfectly curated and attuned to exactly what he wanted from you. Your free will operates within the framework of his perfection, and can't deviate.
The world is not suffering. You blaspheme God with these words.

>>518628142
Probably just some hive mind that gets absorbed into the hungry machine they call god

>>518628142
Yes but your will will be tuned towards God's will. You will have extra freedom through grace with a new incorruptible body, you will eat for fun for instance.

>>518628132
>it's ok to inflict suffering on people, because it demoralises them more and makes them lose their minds and trust jewish myths even harder
Or people wise up and leave your retarded jew cult. Theres a reason why christianity is rapidly and steadily declining in white countries.

You guys are soo arrogant and retarded. You and your shitty god can both go fuck yourselves.

>>518628099
Could God have created a world without evil but that still had free will?

If so, why didn't he?
If not, why would I worship such a weak God?

>>518628161
It means that his creatures disobeyed his perfect commandments using their free will.

>>518628249
>your will will be tuned towards God's will
Kek.

So that's a no on free will then

>>518628264
I aplaud their psychopathy, it realy makes shine what a shitty repulsive cult they are in. Normies notice that easily.

>>518627925
>Why does God need blood and death to forgive us for his mistakes?
Not quite, in order for there to be love there must be free will, you cannot force someone to love you. Therefore in order for God to truly love us he had to give us free will which he also knew meant that some would reject him. So it's not that he built a system that requires punishment because in the end the choice to sin is ours. Its that God wanted to love and be loved by his creation which requires free will and that free will allows us to do evil. So quite simply it was the ONLY way God could do it while retaining our ability to love him.

>>518628317
No it's enlightenment. If you know not to stick your dick in a light socket do you still do it?

>>518628279
>a world without evil but that still had free will?
so, heaven. obviously god can do that

>>518628314
Yeah that he gave them therefore god isn't perfect if it didn't see that coming

>>518628363
>in order for there to be love there must be free will, you cannot force someone to love you.
Exactly. So I use my free will and leave all this nonsense behind

>>518628279
God gives us complete freedom and free will. That doesn't make us moral.

>>518628366
>No it's enlightenment
Not yours though lol

>>518626088 (OP)
Death means reunion with the greater spirit (the father). We are all a piece of his majesty, but know that he will not accept himself back without atonement. Before you are able to “go home” you need to be mentally and spiritually well. Hell isn’t a place to be trapped and tormented, it’s actually just a place where other entities force you to confront your own life, and they will keep forcing you to do it until your of sound mind, know your mistakes and truly repent. After that you may rejoin god. The process could take billions of life times it’s impossible to say but the more stable and “good” you are the easier it is to return

>>518628373
>so, heaven. obviously god can do that
So why didn't He?
Why did he make a world that is full of suffering, starvation, baby rapes, boy bands, and so on?
And why would I worship a God who placed me into that world, when He could have placed me into Heaven?

>>518627925
Your argument that circumstances determine what decision is made is inaccurate. Many people experience the same situations and their responses are widely varied, and both good and bad, everyday. Satan rebelled against God because he wanted to be God himself - that’s a choice he decided to make. Alternatively he could have chosen to be humble and instead glorify God.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Peter%205%3A5&version=NASB1995

rabbi jeshua is truly a prankster. He created a cult in which priests routinely fuck young boys. Because he loves you!

>>518628446
You know better than to be a nigger yet you continue to be one. Not God's problem.

>>518628433
Sorry, you didn't answer the question. Let me repeat it:
Could God have created a world without evil but that still had free will?

>>518628317
The very concept of 'free will' is entirely designed by God upon the creation of the universe.
The range of 'free will', the metaphysical definition, is determined by God.
God could have easily chosen to define 'free will' as only 'good' acts, and it'd still remain free will, because God said so. The same way your 'free will' doesn't allow you to levitate, but is still no less 'free will'.
God deliberately chose to expand 'free will' to encompass 'evil' deeds, by design, and with this act, clearly demonstrates that doing them is not contrary to his will.

>>518628433
>God gives us complete freedom and free will
Cool, then I use my free will to do my own thing for eternity

>>518628466
my personal opinion is that god is realn but he's a nigger loving fucking kike. womp womp

>>518628475
>Your argument that circumstances determine what decision is made is inaccurate
That's literally the story of the bible. God is a victim of circumstances like all of us. It's why he had to back track on his original plan

>>518628496
Evil exists because angels and man disobey the way. If the creatures didn't disobey God then evil wouldn't exist. God didn't create evil, his creatures do.

>>518628493
>You know better than to be a nigger
Right. Hence why I don't believe in your nigger god

>>518628513
And that is why you and I will suffer forever, until God does something, in which case He already did do something. He died and shed his blood so that your sins can be forgiven.

>*makes a priests fuck your kids colon out*
because he LOVES you!

>>518628587
Impossible.
Only God can create. Everything that exists in his domain is a consequence of his creation.
This is like playing The Sims and saying "I didn't choose for my character to brush their teeth, they did so on their own." Yes, but ultimately, it's your design and your consent that enables that act.
For an omnipotent being like God, what exists in his domain only exists because of his explicit consent. It's metaphysically impossible to exist otherwise, since God's omnipotence extends boundlessly.
This means that the 'evil' was seeded by design far before it was 'created' by the 'disobedients'. It was not only inevitable, it was a deliberate choice God made when designing reality.

>>518628503
>The very concept of 'free will' is entirely designed by God upon the creation of the universe
Cool, I'll use my free will to do what I want for eternity

>>518626764
So… Christ was resurrected, so he didn’t really die for our sins. And he was dead for like three days.

Christ gave up his weekend for our sins.

>>518628626
It's ok if you don't believe, no one is forcing anyone into Heaven. There is also a place for sinners.

>>518628577
Wrong
See >>518627854

>>518628662
>And that is why you and I will suffer forever
I use my free will to avoid that

>>518628540
>my personal opinion is that god is realn but he's a nigger loving fucking kike. womp womp
You know what? I can respect that view
A God who has his pet creatures and who shapes the world for them
It explains the Problem of Evil and why suffering exists, to be sure, and also justifies my lack of belief in Him

>>518628705
>Cool, I'll use my free will to do what I want for eternity
Go ahead, but you'll die in a few years. I don't know how this is a gotcha. What you do is what God has permitted you to do, otherwise you couldn't have done it.

>>518628715
>Christ gave up his weekend for our sins.
hahaha holy shit, good one!

>>518628700
>Only God can create
and he created a way for humans to reproduce called sex.

>>518628720
>There is also a place for sinners.
I use my free will to avoid it

>>518628732
Nope. It's God making up for his mistakes

>>518628773
Have some of it you crusty ass bum nigga.

>>518628735
There is only one way to heaven though.

>>518628773
he also created rapists, because he loves us!

>>518628503
>clearly demonstrates that doing them is not contrary to his will
Well, no. Logical fallacy.

>>518628513
>then I use my free will to do my own thing for eternity
Yeah, that's the textbook definition of "hell".

> bu-but it will be different this time when I'm in charge
No it won't.

>>518628748
>Go ahead, but you'll die in a few years
And then I'll still use my free will to do what I want

>>518628819
Nope, they are children of satan not God.

>>518628748
>What you do is what God has permitted you to do
Doesn't sound very free then

>>518626088 (OP)
>God is perfect and he can only accept perfection. Our sinful condition renders us imperfect in the eyes of his perfect righteousness
How did a perfect God create broken, sinful creations?

A perfect human painter makes perfect paintings. A perfect God creates horrendous failures?

>>518627050
Atheists are the most insufferable kikes since kikes themselves - thinking they can out-logic and out kike God Himself.

>>518628803
I don't want to go there. I'll do my own thing

>>518628587
Again, not a direct answer
Like most brainwashed religious people, you just avoid the question and deflect

But it seems that your answer is "No, God could not have made a world without evil but with free will"
Why would I worship such a weak God?

>>518628720
Oh what is it called hell? How original like they didn't rip that fairytale off from sheol also from another kike cult

>>518628862
a painting can't move, no free will. Bad example.

>>518628820
>Well, no. Logical fallacy.
Uhm, no, it's the opposite - the model I outlined is the only way Abrahamism retains its logical consistency.
The omnipotent being known as God oversees everything, and has already seen every speck of every possible future.
What exists to the knowledge of God exists with the explicit consent of God. To assume God would want to stop something (like evil), but couldn't because (muh reason), and couldn't think of a workaround, is to say God is not omnipotent. It's heresy.

>>518628820
>Yeah, that's the textbook definition of "hell".
Cool, I'll avoid that too then

Thanks to my free will

>>518628892
hell and sheol are different yet similar enough to be used for interpretations.

>>518628854
>Doesn't sound very free then
Reality is deterministic on the quantum level. It's pre-seeded. Entropy isn't truly random, it's just mathematically impossible to predict.

>>518628881
When did I say I was an atheist?

>>518628847
And god made satan so therefore it's god's fault and god is not perfect

>>518628952
That's cool man

>>518628990
>has 'free will'
>spends all of it being a boring homosexual

>>518628965
Satan also has free will. He is allowed to continue so that mankind can overcome him.

>can only accept perfection

You are applying a limit to God’s power. Incorrect in the first sentence, big of you to get towards a conjunction this time, soon you’ll only start the fallacy at the end of the paragraph!

>>518628951
It's bullshit is what it is it's a fear tactic to scare the shit out of gullible people they invented hell to get people to pay taxes it's a tool nothing more

>>518628955
I didn't ask you a Goddamn thing Christkiller.

>>518629013
I'm not a homosexual

>>518628965
Everything is from god of course he’s perfect. What is there to even argue about a being capable of all creation? You’re gonna stand there with your hands on your hips and say “well actually he did things i don’t like so he’s actually not as godly as you guys think, it doesn’t matter that everything at exists his because he willed it billions of eons ago!”

>>518629059
>calls me a Roman
I'm fine with that

>>518629070
I'll use my free will to rape you into becoming one!

>>518629042
Life itself is born into fear, you are born with nothing naked soft fleshy meat bag crying, kicking, and screaming. There is only one way out of it.

That way is through death.

>>518629018
Yeah god made satan have freewill so everything satan did is gods fault because god gave satan free will so god isn't perfect if god couldn't see that coming something that's perfect knows can do and sees everything

For those of you just here for the shitposting who aren't Christians of any stripe but hate the jews, remember: the Jews got turfed from Israel because of one dead twink. Antinious died, Hadrian mourned, and then Bar Kokhba decided that the missing ingredient to killing all the goy this time (they'd been at it for like 300 ish years now with shitty attempts at war) was, in fact, that he hadn't committed enough atrocities on his own people AND on the Romans.

Really, giving the already nasty and suspicious minded Hadrian an excuse was a very funny idea for all of us down the ages who get to read about it.

>>518629107
Your will upon me ends at the end of my first :^)

>>518628907
Perfect creations would choose to good, not evil

>>518628965
The rational conclsuion to your observation "God allows for Satan to exist" isn't that God isn't perfect, it's that Satan isn't an imperfection to be purified but a necessary part in the system of the universe.

>>518629042
>they invented hell to get people to pay taxes
And don't forget, the Bible also tells you the proper way to identify your slaves, and how exactly to pierce their earlobes when they become your permanent servants

The Bible is a shitty book when it comes to morals, because that's not why it was written
It is a book defining personal property laws for people who have no concept of them, as well as rules to enrich the leaders of the religion
Once you realize that, the entire book makes sense

>>518629134
> everything satan did is gods fault
are bleeding heart liberals really taking this stance now

>>518629107
>admits he's the homo
Kek

>>518629165
You aren't a perfect creation. You were born of satan.

>>518629193
>>518629153
>had to reply to me twice so he can cope with the inexplicable erection from a mere message on 4chud.com

>>518626088 (OP)
Christfags are the taliban goatfuckers of american culture.

>>518629213
are god and satan equal power? i thought you guys were supposed to be monotheistic?

>>518629091
Just because everything came from god doesn't make it perfect if it makes things flawed it makes god flawed by nature if some one shoots themselves in the foot it's their fault so if god screwed itself over by giving satan free will it's gods fault

>>518629012
You fuckers screwed up this world because mommy didn't love you and you enjoyed it when daddy loved you too much.

>>518629250
>>had to reply to me twice
Had to? Naw, used my free will twice lol

>>518629295
God is more powerful by far.

>>518629250
>thinking about another man's erection
Kek

>>518629318
you're a fucking idiot lol

>>518629318
>God is more powerful by far.
So he willingly allows evil to exist
Why would I worship a person like that?

>>518629213
I never claimed personal perfection

If God is only capable of creating a broken world controlled by Satan (who he created) then he is either imperfect or evil

>>518629132
Yeah no shit Sherlock hey did you know if you're alive you're guaranteed to die so deep right?

I'm so sick of these braindead kike worshippers

>>518629318
>more powerful
>still cant win a 1v1 apparently
wut
can you niggas stop blaspheming for 3 seconds

>>518629318
>couldn't defeat Iron chariots

>>518629402
They have no actual faith, it's just identity and structure for them. These people are prime degenerates whose body and mind fail them regularly. If not for a paternal figure guiding them to a good, they could never muster enough strength to be anything but rotting slobs. It's their only way to survive.

>>518629187
It's true god made satan so it's god's fault if it's perfect god knew satan would do all the shit satan was gonna do

>>518629370
yes, I am an idiot. However being intelligent isn't a requirement to be forgiven and accepted into God's family.

>>518629371
Yes, evil is allowed to exist until after Jesus reigns. that way humanity can observe and collect data on how evil works and later over come it.

>>518628715
He did die, and was buried. But if Jesus didn't resurrect, how could He help you? He had to do everything for you because you can't save yourself. He took on himself the wrath of God so that you wouldn't have to. If you reject Him, you cannot be saved, you have the option to be saved forever for as long as you have breath. The reason you can refuse is because He gave you free will to decide. God is not a tyrant that forces you to do exactly as He says, but why would you refuse a gift? Why do you want to experience the wrath of God forever?

John 3:18: "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Rom 5:9 "Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."

Hebrews 10:10 "By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

>>518626871
Covenant in circumcision was conforming to the practices that were already in place. David used it to shame his slain enemies, because they were not of Israel and it was a way of saying "You just got shit on by us", and it was used on Moses to solidify the seriousness of the covenant with God. Any more pressing meme images you want to use?

>>518629175
Oh yes so we must have suffering because... just because god said so yeah makes fucking sense

>>518629403
God could easily over come satan and his rebellion, yet he has stated that man will overcome evil. It's God's will that we do it instead.

>>518629267
100% bunch of crazy cultist zealots like all religious freaks

>>518629472
I'm glad you were able to admit you're retarded and god is a piece of shit

>>518629462
God made satan with perfect free will. Satan chose to rebel against God.

>>518629588
I am made weak so that God can be strong.

>>518629455
That sounds like some serious projection, considering most Christians have a stronger moral backbone and effort output than your average tendie eating /pol/tard.

>>518629598
your god is such a fucking kike. it's unreal

>>518629598
Why would someone choose to rebel knowing they would be defeated?

>>518629528
Imagine being that guy and worshiping a God who is so impotent that one of his creations can overpower Him
Omnipotent and omniscient, btw

>>518629455
Your argument has zero credibility or support but you state it so confidently that your mind is satisfied in spite of that. You also believe a world without the Bible is a superior one?

>>518629645
He prefers the Jews yes, because they kept his teachings in their writings which were all allegories for Christ coming Kingdom.

>>518629598
That's a fucking cop out god gave satan free will so it's gods fault everything satan does he could have just not made satan if god was perfect and knows everything and can do everything and see everything

>>518629672
Because they chose to. That's called free will.

It is Writtem: :...and in the Year(s) January 20, 2025 to January 20, 2028 G-d gave us Donald Trump V 2.0"

Which PROVES beyond all reasonable doubt that G-d indeed has a twisted sense of humor.

>>518630019
>I don't like God's choices
that is why you aren't God.

>>518629679
Top kek