Thread 518654529

what could have they done differently to soften the loss?

Actually commit the Holocaust

>>518654529 (OP)
national socialism is a terminal stage of societal degeneracy.

If you want a real non Jewish answer, it's actually pretty simple. Either not allying with Japan/Italy or simply not declaring war on Poland. Germany+Austria+Czechoslovakia+Holstein would have been an economic powerhouse and not required total war to maintain. Being a superpower without communism or Jewish degeneracy would have made Germany a shining beacon of civilization as the rest of the West degenerated to what it is today.

The problem with this is, assuming the eternal Angelo is a rational actor and wasn't buying for German and European blood at the behedst of their Jewish pedophile enabling government. So Germany ultimately would have been dragged into conflict no matter what they did even without Poland.

>>518654529 (OP)
Given the Commies would have invaded Europe and taken the entire continent if the Germans didnt stop them. IT would have been hard, considering National Socialism and Communists are blood enemies. There would have been a total war regardless. Unless it was cucked ass Weimar which would have collapsed.

In a way Germany did save Western Europe from Communism.

There was no chance at a soft peace unless the stupid ass English and French leadership didnt plunge the world into war over Danzig.

I really dont think it was worth it. Western Europe lost their empires as a result and now suffer today from the same international Judaism the Germans fought against.

Hitler and the German leadership tried more then the west to make peace, they extended a hand and Churchill and the jews rejected it.

The NSDAP had to see it as a total war, bc they knew the allies and esp the commies would never compromise. So they had to act

>>518654919
They could have won the war if Germany didnt declare on the US. And if they invaded Russia 1 to 2 months earlier.

>>518654529 (OP)
soften the loss?
kek, after 20 years you couldnt even notice germany was in world war
the outcome was unreal

>>518654919
I agree if they didnt declare on poland they could have became a economic powerhouse. But they knew the Soviets had the potential to outpace them. They knew the Soviets would invade Romania at one point and showed real signs of it. Romania had the oil Gemrany needed to survive in war or not.

The German Economy was already a war economy before the invasion of Poland. They where betting on militarization above butter in a attempt to secure ground, see what the allies did. And prep for op Barbarossa. When they invaded it became clear the Soviets had been doing the same thing and have something like 16,000 tanks. Germans estimated they had like 6000. They had been useing the slave labor to build a army to conquer Europe. Exactly what the Germans feared so when they invaded they where proven correct which is why so many Europeans sided with Germany against the Soviets.

Also in the time German peacefully annexed Austria and Czechs, the Soviets at the barrel of a gun, had annexed Besserabia , Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, and invaded Finland. The Allies should have struck the Soviets but where to scared. Why would you be when you have Nazis as a buffer. Then when same Nazis essentially save Western Europe Allies blame Germans. Soviets would have killed every land owner business owner and religious institution in Europe if they had succeeded.

>>518655853
Yet somehow I'm noticing now more than ever that Germany was in a world war and it lost. Just because they tricked you with a slow boil a couple decades ago it doesn't mean the multi thousand year old grudge has ended with that war. If anything you pissed them off even more than previously thought possible.Goyim was supposed to sit down and suffer not to rise and punch the chosen ones.

>>518654529 (OP)
Boobytrap the eagle

>>518654529 (OP)
i don't know but i've been thinking about this since last night. i just hope they don't just shut down the company or the ip. i'm also hoping they make more games in the future with the same characters. i'm really looking forward to the next one

>>518654919
They needed the war to avoid economic collapse after going full retard with bonds, mefo etc, it wasn't some spontaneous autism moment. You can't just magically rebuild a country in under a decade

>>518656058
are you serious?
Germany was rebuilt and nevertheless overtook countries that had not even participated in the war or even the "winners"

>>518656292
They only did that bc they knew the fight would ultimately be in the east against the commies. The Soviets had essentially infinite slave labor and where making a army to conquer the entire European continent. It was wise for the Germans not to hold back and prep early on for total war they knew would ultimately be forced on them at one point. Over Danzig or a pre emptive war with the Soviets.

The Reason Stalin early on didnt believe the Germans where invading as he already was working on a Army to take the entire continent so he didnt think Europe would invade first. Infact he though the NSDAP would morph or fall to Commie rebellion at one point thus making them a ally to the Soviets.

>>518656423
I place that solely on the German race and its will to survive and build. Sure the west got western funding to rebuild and the east Soviet state funding, but the Germans themselves where the miracle in the rebuilding the spirit and toil they did rebuilt your country. That's them after defeat in a total war. Imagine what they could have done if they had won.
Its actually quite telling.

>>518654529 (OP)
What if.... Invade Britain first then Russia

>>518654529 (OP)
never invade the soviet union, nobody wanted that except hitler because of the tactical situation
after that, they should have killed hitler around dday, and they tried
after that, the battle of the bulge was a cooked mistake. they should have used every aircraft in defense of industry because speer told them the numbers were indicating total imminent collapse.
there were no chances except to consolidate, take out hitler, and preserve their original borders. literally nobody cared about the kike persecution in that day and the only people seething were russians which noone cared for. but goering sent every plane into a suicide mission in the bulge that was the absolute end of a bleeding wound from the battle of britain

>>518654529 (OP)
Kevin Sorbo would have succeeded with the Third Reich.

>>518656617
To be honest, if the US hadn't kept a protective hand over Germany, the Soviet Union would have turned Germany into a North Korea.

>>518654529 (OP)
The only thing that could have prevented wwii was Germany winning wwi.

WWI was unsatisfactory for the winner (USA), as they believed Germans to still be advancing too much in science and technology and creating too much culture. WWII was a scripted out war to recapture the prestige that they felt the Germans had taken away from them as well as preventing Germany from ever becoming a powerful country that could challenge the usa.

>>518656423
I'm always serious when i'm talking about my germans brothers..

>>518656656
That would have worked too , but it would have left the east exposed to the threat of Soviet invasion which may very well have came.
Really the main issue was securing Romania and the Soviets could have taken that oil easily. Germans would then be stuck up a river with no paddle.
In a way the UK and France where the biggest losers of the war, bc they fought for a ideology and Jews that gave way for the collapse of their empires and the state we see them today stagnant and degenerate exactly what Goebbels feared would become of the west if they became internationally subjugated by Jews.

>>518654919
>Being a superpower without communism or Jewish degeneracy would have made Germany a shining beacon of civilization
Here's where you're failing to think like a Jew.
THEY CAN'T CONTAIN AND ABSTAIN THEMSELVES.
They would write lies in ALL the international press, there would be shining anything.
They would pour finances into destabilization groups.
They would cause all kinds of attacks and problems.
They would not stop until physically placed in containment camps.
Oh, wait...

>>518656832
And what am I supposed to take away from your video?
That my delivery drivers go to work and don't sit around at home?
if you find one german who wants to take THAT job and do it for 40 years, you can live for free in my house for your rest of your life

>>518656713
Oh yes the only reason the Soviets softened there stance and didnt murder every clergymen burn every church, kill every factory and business owner and all intellegencia is bc they knew the West would react. IF the US never went into Europe the Soviets would have murdered their way all the way to Portugal.

Stalin mid war allowed the soldiers and ppl to become more religious, this was for moral solely as they knew Athiestic communism and a bayonet to the back wouldnt be a enough to stop the Germans.

If Trotksy was in power they would never have allowed religion and would have killed even more Slavs. IF Germany invaded a Trotsky USSR they would have collapsed as the Jew would have had too many enemies and been to brutal to fight back.

>>518654529 (OP)
Not let bongs use misinformation to trick the Germans into moving their coastal forces north of Normandy to engage a threat that wasn't real leaving only a skeleton crew at Normandy beachhead.

If the battalion that was supposed to be there had been there ameribros, ALL of our troops on D Day would have been slaughtered, sending our military morale and public support for the war plunging into a nosedive so hard we would of rage quit the whole war then and there.

I'm not kidding either, bongs used false information on breached communications to trick the Germans into virtually abandoning Normandy to go chasing red herrings

>>518656499
The reasoning is a moot point, the fact remains that avoiding war wasn't a possibility.
Even if we assume there would have ben no war and they'd just be left alone, without the massive spending, the NSDAP would at best have achieved a moderate improvement rate and wouldn't have the vindication that rapid growth provided.
Without said vindication, the shift from socialist worker appealing platform might not have been possible and NatSoc as we know it might not have even happened.
The only reality where the Reich exists is one where it invades other countries.

>>518656770
USA or Jews

>>518656977
>Memeflaggot can't read a whole post
I literally said that Germany would have been forced into conflict even if explicitly being isolationist and stopping before Poland.

>>518656977
The Jews in Ukraine where claiming a Holocaust as far back as WW1 when the Germans entered Kiev . Claiming the Germans where Steaming them to death lol.

Infact Jews wanted Communist revolution in Russia and esp Germany, together the Jews would have isntalled communism world wide. But the Germans and other Europeans during the interwar period fought them. And the NSDAP and Fascist movements sprung up to counter Communism.

>>518654529 (OP)
Killing themselves like thier faithful leader did. :)

>>518657228
>I literally said that
You didn't say why.

>>518657153
Germans made it clear they where going to unify German territories in Central Europe they said this early on. Land like Danzig that was taken from them despite no real enemies set foot for long on German soil in WW1. Hence the Germans said the JEws betrayed them despite having the best life jews had ever lived up until that point in germany. So they felt robbed.

Its safe to say when the Germans sought unification the UK and French elite said they would declare war on Germany if they did. So Germany had to be prepared they had to. There was a chance according to Germany that the UK and France where all talk considering they didnt even really have war economies and the ppl of both countries rejected war for the elites.

Hitler thought there would be a chance at peace. And that the real fight lay with the Soviets.

>>518654919
They still should have waited a little longer.
The smartest play would have been agree to invade Poland with the Russians and then not done it.
Instead, they should have funelled weapons to fascist sympathizing partisans in Poland to delay the soviet advance while publicly denouncing the soviets as warmongers and an existential threat to western civilization.
They could then declare war on Russia and send troops into poland (securing danzig on the way of course) to contain the soviet menace while demanding France and Britain honor their commitment to defend polish sovereignty.
They could then reinforce this ad hoc alliance by funding fascist political movements in France, Britain, and the US, which were all growing prior to the war.
The presence of a shared enemy would foster the rapid rise of pro fascist sentiments in these coutries.
If they had time it right, they could have let the poles take the brunt of the soviet advance and then wiped out much of the soviet army with a surprise counter-attack.
This would leave them with a tentative alliance with the French and British, an occupied poland (someone would need to restore order of course :) ), and a shattered Russia on the retreat.
America and Japan would have went to war over the oil one way or another, but if Germany just stays out of it then that leaves America to fight pretty much the entire pacific war alone.
They would still win, but they wouldn't really have the extra resources to get involved too much in europe.
The end state of the war would then be another cold war, but this time between the Americans and a fascist version of the EU.

>>518657327
Kike.

Here is a truth many ppl dont know
The beer hall puscht wasnt a coup attempt at all by the NSDAP.
Infact the NSDAP marched on the beer hall bc the French had secretly negotiated with Catholic Bavarian elites to break up Germany and declare a independent Bavarian State. This would have split Germany. Hitler marched to stop the declaration as the traitors fled through bathroom windows.

Hitler saved Germany that day, and why he was treated as a hero in prison by even the guards.

>>518657667
This is still assuming the Anglo was a rational actor or being honest with their dealings. They wanted German blood and would do literally anything to make that happen, because their entire political apparatus was on the take from the Jews. Even if this scenario happened (which would have been ideal realpolitik by Germany) the Anglo would have simply false flagged a German attack on UK and US to justify an unpopular war with Germany. 95% of Americans opposed war with Germany prior to Pearl Harbor, which was a UK and US false flag attack. Evidence: they moved every single aircraft carrier out of PH right before the "attack". Not a single shot down Japanese aircraft was photographed in PH.

>>518657667
The problem with that is the Poles where so high on defeated the Soviets in the civil war it went to their head. Some of the Polish leaders civil and Military actually said they wanted war with Germany, thinking they could stop or stall a German advance, and the French and Brits would declare in the west and the Poland would gain even more territory like Prussia or Silesia.

So in truth there wasnt much of a Polish Fascist movement more of a radical Polish national State opposed to Germans and Russians.

When the Germans invaded they had no idea the shit storm they found themselves in. They thought the war would be localized to the Danzig Coastal areas or a border war. of sorts.

Nope Germany went in full force and invaded totally with Soviets doing the same in the east. Germans and Soviets saw Poland as a fake weak state, that one or the other would eat up. So they divided it, this led Stalin to believe Germans where good Marxist sympathizers lmao.

>>518657596
Again, that is a moot point. Which countries were invaded in which order makes no difference to the necessity of invading someone to offset the deficit mandated by everything that made the Reich what it was. The only way to avoid it was to not spend the money in the first place and then you don't have what the money bought.
In the actual reality that we live in, they absolutely had to go to war regardless of any nationalistic feelings or motivations because the alternative was another hyperinflation and slavery even if nobody bore them any ill will whatsoever.

>>518654529 (OP)
They could not have done anything. The Allies wanted Germany destroyed more than they wanted to end the war. Any attempt to sue for peace with the US/UK would have resulted in a betrayal of not only Germany, but the entirety of Western Europe (sans UK), in favor of the Soviets. The reason for the mad race for Berlin between the Anglosphere Allies and the Soviets was based on the Anglo desire for Germany to loose while attempting to limit Soviet expansion. If they had had to choose they would have let the Soviets have all of Europe.
Now, Patton had the right idea when he suggested incorporation the Wehrmacht into Allied forces and pushing on to Moscow, but this was entirely contrary to British ant-German sentiment and the Communists in FDR's Administration. Even the suggestion really upset them, so Patton was asasinated just for speaking about the idea.
So there was little the Germans could have done; especially when the (((Americans))) were publicly considering honest-to-god genocide as a real post war policy position.

>>518658331
I understand but they and i see it as they had to spend the money on a war economy it was obvious they would end up in war with either allies of Communists or both. If they hadnt spent, they soviets would have invaded with 25,000 tanks and 25,000 aircraft all of Europe.

>>518658331
France and Italy would be the only 2 nations to stop them if the Germans fell and there was no way they where going to stop them.

>>518658044
Oswald Mosely was a growing presence in British politics.
War with Germany was only popular with Hawks like Churchill, who was considered a fringe nut until the germans invaded poland.
If the germans had waited to send troops to poland until after the collapse of the polish army, then any anti-german sentiments would have quickly been washed away by anti-russian ones.
The British fascists could have ridden to political victory by pointing to the heroic struggle of the german people against the communist horde and demanding deeper British support, for their polish allies if nothing else.

>>518654919
amazing answer. TPBP

>>518658695
The Germans didn't even know Soviets had 30k tanks, they lost precisely because they expected Soviet forces to be like 5k tanks and that the initial push would steamroll them. The conversation between Hitler and Mannerheim has them expressing confoundment by Soviets having 30k tanks after the fact, so that wasn't something that made them spend money before being aware of it, you're just rationalizing in hindsight.

>>518654919
>Just let the poolacks genocide innocent german civilians bro

That wasn't an option for Hitler and you know that.

Germany legit put forth almost a dozen corridor proposals to the poolacks, but these dumb niggers kept chimping out and were lusting for war since the anglo + frenchoid kikes backed them with that stupid faux mutual defense agreement

>>518654529 (OP)
1. Keep up their trade deal with the USSR after taking Poland and spend a few years building up resources
2. Don't get pulled into anything with Italy, treat them like a friendly not an ally.
3. They need Spain as an ally to help control the Mediterranean and
4. Partner with Turkey to take the oil fields in southern Russia that you invade after taking out the western powers.
5. Don't declare war on the US
Hitler was a fucking retard and there were so many mistakes they made but I believe with these five things alone, even with all of their other mistakes, they could have succeeded. Assuming total world domination wasn't their goal which in case they probably couldn't

>>518658695
>>518659097
In fact, iirc Hitler literally says that if you told him Soviets had 30k tanks, he'd think you were insane

>>518657596
He was right, he just didn't play his hand very well.
He failed to portray the Russians as the bigger threat, and he failed to exploit the sympathetic elements in both countries.

>>518654529 (OP)
They could have made an alliance with the UK to protect Poland from the Soviets instead of invading.

>>518654529 (OP)
>what could have they done differently to soften the loss?

They could have buck broken the UK in 1940 by dumping tabun on britbong airfields, thereby deleting the ground crews that kept the brit airforce going. Unlike the pilots, these people were not quickly replaced, and it took like 12 mechanics to keep 1 spitfire in the air. Instead Hitler tried multiple peace appeals to the brits which they all rejected.

>>518654529 (OP)
Not continue to appeal to reason before the world declared on them

>>518659366
This.
Hitler failed to see the ground swell in pro fascist sentiment sweeping the west during the depression.
He went kinetic in poland when there was so much he could have done with soft power first.

>>518657050
Fun google: how far back do you need to go before the national team is just white guys. Germany is mid 2000's, NL 1980's, England 1970's.

>>518659097
It was very well predicted at the time in Germany and other placed in Europe that Soviets had every intentions of marching to Paris.

They knew the Soviets where using slave labor to make a massive war machine. They did underestime athem its clear in the tapes. But it doesnt mean they where wrong, they where right in the assumption the Soviets where already gearing for a total war. Regardless of underestimating them they still nearly one, esp if the offensive took place month prior.

Your reasoning is the Germans should not have spent the money. Sure they could have sat there next to the Soviet Demonic empire and do nothing but they knew very well the evils of the USSR and they prepared logically against it.

The notion Germans didnt fear the Soviets or there was no threat there is totally wrong they feared them and the had very much reasons to fear them considering most nations had communist rebellions led by jews to that point. The threat was real and clear, Communism was seen as a international Revolution meaning they wanted to spread and over take entire nations. Germans where very much aware of this threat which is why they even did Barbarossa.

If anything its the UK and France ignorant to the Communist threat that was aimed at them.

>>518659234
Yep but it doesn't mean the fears the Germans had wasn't legit. Infact it was greater threat then they imagined it proved the suspicions correct, so in their eyes it was a good thing they struck when they did otherwise all those tanks would be rolling into Romania and Germany would be at the mercy of the Soviets.

Everyone in Europe knew the commies would attempt to invade Europe the question was when how prepped where they. Well it proved they where doing just that and where well past the point in which Europe should have acted.

The Bolshevik Jews should have been destroyed in the crib during the Russian Civil war.

>>518659304
The prob is France and the UK didnt really fear Communism like they should for one the Jews downplayed the threat and the Commies where persecuted and outlawed.

They didnt fear bc the Germans where between them and Judeo Bolshevism. If the Germans hadnt fought the French and Brits would have been fucked by the Soviets.

>>518659366
Nigger that's exactly what Hitler spent the majority of the 1930s and early 1940s trying to do. He was an anglophile and wanted Germany and Bri'un to be allied.

The Rothschild kikes did a coup against the pro-german King Edward and that was pretty much it

>>518659585
>Your reasoning is the Germans should not have spent the money
No, for fuck's sake, my reasoning is that spending the money was them making the decision to invade other countries because they fucking knew that without it, they were causing another hyperinflation and opening themselves up to the exact thing they just crawled out of.
The question was what could have softened the blow, the answer is that there was nothing they could do about it once they spent the money, and without spending the money there would have been no Reich and possibly no post-shift NatSoc in the first place.
It's not "they shouldn't have spent the money", it's "they were never going to make it". Everyone who pretends the Reich could have lasted just ignores the economic time bomb that made the Reich possible in the first place.
The only thing that could have saved the Reich were foreign actors acting differently, nothing the Germans themselves could have done beyond magically convincing foreign powers to aid them instead of destroying them.
The war was unwinnable in reality and the war was inevitable. The only reason Hitler thought he could win is because he thought the Soviets were far weaker than they were on top of thinking Brits would just let them become the dominant power and position themselves to take their island if he asked them enough times. It was never ever going to happen.

>>518659366
Also, Hitler was on good terms with Pilsudski. After the latter died, the dumb poolacks went full chimp mode and thought fucking over Germany rather than allying with same against the bolshevist threat was a good idea.

Hitler even went to Pilsudski's funeral, for crying out loud.

Poolacks are subhuman chimps. The holohoax narrative wouldn't exist without them.

>>518659163
Russia wouldve easily outproduced if they waited longer.. the invasion would even be more impossible by then.

>>518654529 (OP)
>Italian kayfabe neutrality (large military exercised ion Norman coast)
>Take MALTA at any cost
>coup de main GIBRALTER the sane false flag way Germans did Norway with clandestine Franco support
>Limit of Advance clearly operationally delineated to stop at Leningrad North, and we'll before Moscow Center to favor Stalingrad & Caucasus oil.
>Do whatever required to force Finnish to commit balls in on Leningrad/Karolina

Lend Lease still probably decides it, buy the main thing is to completely abandon the Western Front to Bulge East— embaressment if riches to prevent the pinko slow rolling to decide the Continent per perfidious pinko Fabian cents on Downing Street. All while having massive psyops left behind the withdrawal in idiomatic English as to the Red threat in the East. That much stabilization of the East holding out at all costs would be a fait accompli, while uncontested open roads to Berlin for the Anglos practically oblige them to gamble on taking all of Russia's resources and fagging out giga lender America having to scramble resources to occupy and seize Russian territory from the East as well while fighting Japan and/or China.

>>518657023
Kek. Ernst?

>>518659520
I can still remember visiting Germany while it was a white country. Maybe the rural areas still are, but the rural areas here are too. What was nice with Germany was seeing large white cities. I haven’t seen that in years now. Large Asian cities is the next best thing. Not that I’m much of a city person anyway. But I travel a lot for work.

>>518654529 (OP)
They couldn't have done anything different. America would've declared war with Germany even if they didn't go to war with Poland.

America is threatening war with Venezuela TODAY just because Maduro isn't a kike shill and isn't buying our "American-made" trash, and isn't giving america all their oil