Thread 518686156

Former lesbian who is now exclusively attracted to men, here's what happened.

I have a fraternal twin brother, so I almost certainly had more in utero testosterone exposure than average. As a teen, I started feeling attraction towards other women.

When I was 23, I decided to see if I could "shift" my sexuality. I had read multiple comments on r/detrans about sexuality changing due to HRT, posts by women with PCOS which mentioned similar phenomenon, and threads on 4chan about gender dysphoria being treated with antipsychotics. I wanted to see if I could do something similar. I never saw being gay as a point of pride and knew my life would be better if I was straight. My program was:

>Pharmaceutical grade anti-androgens (spironolactone cured my "permanent" cystic acne within two weeks and finasteride immediately gave me immensely nice hair)
>Took herbs that boost follicle stimulating hormone and female libido (Fenugreek and Shatavari)
>Repeated positive affirmations to myself.
>I started taking freeze-dried bovine organs (liver, brain, bone marrow, ovarian, and mammary - still take them in lower doses)

Over the span of 8 months, I slowly lost all attraction to women and it was replaced with physical attraction towards men. It was a fascinating experience, as I hadn't previously ever felt that way.

I don't think that this would work for all lesbians. Some are just too hormonally butch and some are "political lesbians" who hate men. I have dated the latter and you can't fix them. Simps have no idea how bad they really are. But there's probably a lot like me who have hormones that are a bit imbalanced. My bloodwork shows that my DHT is now permanently in the normal range and my liver enzymes have also improved. I also have better periods (which may be TMI, but figured that I'd share).

I really believe there is nothing that willpower and time can't conquer. All you have to do is believe in God and consistently fight for something.

>>518686156 (OP)
She found out women don't pay for date.
Give me a fucking break.

interesting, there are cases of lesbians losing their attraction to women after taking progesterone, I have seen trannies say this a lot
even warning against taking it because it will make "trans lesbians" start to like men

you should read this book, I have demanded all the closest women in my life read it and they did not regret it
https://expulsia.com/health/peat-index/nutrition-for-women-by-ray-peat.pdf

>>518686156 (OP)
Post tits

tits or gtfo

>>518686338
>interdatsting...obtw, trans lesbians say...
lol, i was about to say op is trans myself

>>518686156 (OP)
The parasite pill theory is that homosexuality is caused by internal parasites. I see you posted:
>Took herbs that boost follicle stimulating hormone and female libido (Fenugreek and Shatavari)

Both of these herbs are traditionally used to kill parasites.
Interesting.
Maybe it's a combination of things but congratulations on healing yourself

>>518686156 (OP)
OP were tou raped in the past couple of years rape makes men and women change there sexual preference sometimes.

>>518686156 (OP)
Tits or gtfo

>>518686156 (OP)
one session of BBC also fixes lesbians

>>518686156 (OP)
Tits or gfto

Let me guess, you stopped being a dyke after college. Many such cases.

It's okay to be gay!!

>>518686558
big if true

>>518686338

Thanks, some of the herbs that I took boost progesterone:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2213434420300347

I don't know exactly what changed my sexuality (my guess is that it was a combination of factors) but I do know that I had signs of elevated androgens such as cystic acne and relatively "meh" looking hair. I took 0.5 mg of finasteride per day which is a very low dose. My spiro dosage was initially 50 mg and then I went up to 100 mg for awhile.

>>518686486

Never been sexually assaulted and my parents were pretty decent.

>>518686483

I never confirmed what it was, but when I first started taking the herbs my body odor became very nasty and I had strange filamentous material in my stool. It was a white cotton like material. I've heard this can mean you have too much candida and that it can alter hormones.

I took Fenugreek and Shatavari daily for months, so if there were any parasites then they're presumably deader than disco.

>>518686156 (OP)
OP is trans until proven otherwise.

>>518686793
>filamentous material in my stool
Yes that's likely a Candidal biofilm. It's likely you had other parasites but Candida is like the glue that holds them all together.
In any case you found some herbs that worked for you so you should probably do a round of herbs every 6-12 months for "maintenance"
I never tried those herbs but papaya is what worked for me. I'll add them to my research

>>518686156 (OP)
I knew hormonal imbalances could make women hate their partner and lose attraction, and that this is a reason we have 80% divorces initiated by women(perimenopause), but this is new.
Interesting.

>>518686951

I've thought about taking some more hardcore anti-parasitics like albendazole or ivermectin. The guy who sold me the freeze-dried bovine supplements knows a lot about parasites and talked a bit with me about some of the things he's seen (like rosacea and dandruff being cured by ivermectin, since it nukes demodex mites).

It may be on topic, so here the story.
About 10 years ago I was a fearsome MLP retard participating in their communities and shit. Also very attracted to gay r34 and furry porn. Collected a gigabytes of it.
5 years ago I started anti-depression therapy with meds and met my future wife. Since that I have lost interest to any kind of pony and gay furry content. Looking at my porn packs, which I considered very refined, made me feel disgusted.
Now im a straight man. Also I got over fap addiction. So probably yes, sex degeneracy is hormone related.

>>518686156 (OP)
Tfw no genetic bulldyke 25yo virgin-but-shes-done-stuff-with-other-girls gf

>>518686156 (OP)
*adjusts MAGA trilby*

Hello, madame. Care to reveal your mammary glands?

>>518686156 (OP)
This is quite possibly the most retarded shit I have ever seen on this shithole. Some faggot or faggots pretending to be a lesbian. Eat shit.

>>518686156 (OP)
Uhhhhhhh politics?
Also tits or gtfo

>>518686156 (OP)
>I really believe there is nothing that willpower and time can't conquer. All you have to do is believe in God and consistently fight for something.

There is lots of evidence that females have a much weaker sexual orientation than males. This kind of hormonal intervention might work for some females but similar attempts to cure male homosexuality with hormones have usually failed.

>>518686156 (OP)
God doesn't disapprove of women finding comfort with each other BTW. Its in your nature. As long as you breed and raise the child with a man present youre free to kiss girls without fear of hell

>>518686156 (OP)
You should have a little pussy as a treat.

>>518686793
>deader than disco.

You were never gay

>>518687157
how did you find your wife though?was she the doctor?

>>518686156 (OP)
Excellent news

But my experience of lesbians is that they all love cock apart from one in eight or so that had a bad experience fucking men.

Usually because they were fucked too hard and they have a sensitive vagina.

Test thing is real. This one lez was got as fuck and I did get a wank or two but she had pretty firm muscles in her arms but massive tits.

This probably isn't true for gays as there is nothing more depraved that being a gay and they also fuck women but are attracted to depravity.

>>518686156 (OP)
I dated a female half of a fraternal twin set. They were bonded in way that is very psychic in nature. You were likely psychic-absorbing your brothers' sexuality since women don't have much when young compared to men. He was probably a super horndog. Your case would not cure any other lesbian since you are a twin but you probably found the ingredients to cut off your connection to your twin or he died. Either way, enjoy your freeze dried bovine organs.

>>518686558
Yes it makes them asexual.

>>518686156 (OP)
thanks anon gurl, God bless u with even a greater happy ending

>>518686688
It's literally not.
>>518686156 (OP)
Why haven't you started this exchange with something of value?
Actually, you're to dumb to phrase it like that. Here; Tits or GTFO.

>>518687596
>It's literally not.
timmycel calm down
go back to jerking off to hentai

>>518687183
Lold

Also, tits or gtfo OP

>>518686156 (OP)
>I have a fraternal twin brother, so I almost certainly had more in utero testosterone exposure than average
*RECORD SCRATCH* USA broscience is funny, but not worth reading

saged

>>518687486

My brother is still alive rofl. We have a normal degree of "twin telepathy" for fraternals (which is mostly just knowing when the other is going to call and things like that, we can't read each other to the same degree that some identicals can).

There is also some evidence that the female half of fraternal twins have signs of elevated testosterone exposure and often think in a more masculine way:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6949417/

I have a younger sister too and, while we're about the same height and have similar frames, she def went through puberty faster than me. I looked sort of underdeveloped in my mid teens and was a late bloomer so to speak.

>>518687589

Thank you.

>>518687460
Nah, just a normal girl, visitor in cafe where I was working at the time.

>>518687831
wholesome.. you're alright Ivan,don't go to the frontlines tomorrow

>>518687762

There are literally studies showing that females with twin brothers have higher visiospatial reasoning:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4438761/

I've also met multiple girls with twin brothers who had significantly more "mathy" mindsets than their non-twin sisters.

>>518687653
Lol, fag.

>>518686156 (OP)
/pol/, If OP was real which it's probably not, would it be a catch? Didn't ride the cock carousel, understands women are fucking retarded.... ??? Idk, at any rate: I don't believe there is an analogue for gay men. There is something to the "all women are straight" thing. I know it's pretty common for gay dudes to fuck chicks but yea. I went to school with a couple of gay kids and you could tell from like, 3rd, 4th grade. Estrogen seems to make men redditors, and there are a lot of stories of dudes doing roids and becoming kind of gay.

>>518687988

I literally went to a twin meetup in my city once and it was obvious that a lot of us had certain quirks. I don't get why this is controversial. Identicals have certain oddities too (their "twin telepathy" is typically stronger than in fraternals).

>>518687829
Nick Fuentes has a fraternal twin sister who is also notoriously a lesbian. They were IVF spawn.

>>518686156 (OP)
>Former lesbian
No such thing.

>>518686156 (OP)
i dont remember subscribing to your blog. Mods of course will allow this blogpost because female privilege.

>>518686325
Here's your crown, KING.
Quality post here.

>>518686156 (OP)
Cool fake story bro

>>518687398
Correct.
Absolutely fucking nobody under the age of actual boomer would say that.
OP is a faggot, but was never a dyke

>>518686156 (OP)
tits or it didn't happen

>>518688014
>understands women are fucking retarded.... ???

I thought about writing up my thoughts on dating men vs women, but I wanted to focus on the hormone aspect since most "conversion" stories have been scrubbed off the internet.

The long story short is that, in my experience, "bi girls" almost always have unprocessed trauma. They often want you to be "the man" when it's convenient and then have some sort of magical-completely-equal-and-egalitarian-rainbow-friends relationship when that's convenient. They don't trust men and, sometimes, their gay identity is a way to publicly spurn men. Not all are like that, but it is def a thing.

I now have a boyfriend and so far my current relationship has been dramatically easier than any of my previous ones. He makes more than me and I work part time, so I do more around the house. That's fine with me. Honestly, a lot of the stuff that my straight female friends complained about hasn't been a problem. I think most straight women are bad at reading men and this leads them to date losers and they carry that baggage into future relationships (which sucks for everyone). If you date a man who cares about you, being in a hetero relationship as a woman can be a remarkably loving and rewarding experience.

>>518686156 (OP)
Lesbians come about because mothers “castrate” their own daughters both emotionally and physically because they perceive their own daughters as competition. These girls all have a strong complex about their own bodies. Their own bodies are taboo. And the girls then disfigure their bodies “arbitrarily,” cutting their hair short, becoming fat, or disfiguring themselves in other ways. They do all this basically just to appease their angry mothers, to signal that they are not competition for them. Jealous mothers also make it clear to their children from an early age that the opposite sex is strictly taboo. These girls grow crooked and twisted like a sapling that is tied crooked and twisted while it is still growing. This is how lesbians are created.

>>518688978
You're a man, stop larping. There's no girl if breeding age that talks like this.
Just kys, but post a pic and timestamp before you do, fucking liar.
All fields

>>518689014

There was a study which showed that an extremely disproportionate number of lesbians have overbearing / narcissistic mothers and I have definitely noticed that. It is far too common to be a coincidence.

But there are other reasons besides bad moms. Some have hormone imbalances and I think that some of the more exotic health theories posted in this thread could be true in some situations.

My own mother can be a pain sometimes, but she's not evil and I have always known she loves me. She also never encouraged my gay identity.

>>518689142

Are you just going to be obnoxious until I pay attention to you? I write and speak in an intelligent way because I'm trying to communicate my ideas in a way that will be useful to others. Newsflash: not all women are like the dumb OF stars you spend your mom's money on.

>>518686325
You nuked that bitch from orbit. Fact is even lesbians won't date modern women, that's all there is to it.

>>518686156 (OP)
So you weren't a lesbian, you're just bisexual. Cool.

>>518686156 (OP)
>finasteride
This shit gave me my first attraction to men ever. Got off it quick and luckily I went back to normal. You can't convince me gay isn't hormonal. I mean other than those poor bastards that got turnt through sexual abuse and grooming.

>>518686156 (OP)
Fascinating.
Tits or gtfo.

>>518689424
There's probably no such thing as “real lesbians.” Unless, maybe, they have a defective uterus. The fact is, if you have a functional female reproductive system, your libido is absolutely linked to your fertility cycle, and you only really feel sexual desire when you are in your fertile phase. This is because sex is actually intended for reproduction and not for selfish self-stimulation with another person's body. Many people don't know this. Your female organs long for fertilization by male semen because that is what they are designed for. You can psychotically suppress this if you want, but it will only lead to your body ultimately completely suppressing its need for sex because you are denying it what it was made for.

>>518688978
>I think most straight women are bad at reading men and this leads them to date losers
Disagree. They're ACTIVELY attracted to dark tetrad shit. I'm 6'3, had greek statue physique, blonde hair green eyes, 150+ IQ. Did not do well with women in my youth for a little while. Believed the propaganda, was timid, would be nice, kind, romantic, w/e other gay shit. Came out of a relationship that eventually went up in flames BECAUSE this isn't what they really want and kind of just lost it. Decided to basically sociopath-max and absolutely slayed. Had a fake facebook account, would just tell them I went to some other college (not the one we were currently partying at), majored in some random shit. etc, It became a game with my friend who could make up the most ridiculous shit like I was in med school studying anus repair surgery etc, treat them like complete shit, tell them they're kind of ugly, like just be a complete piece of shit basically and that's what works. Ran through entire sororities, picked up a different chick EVERY party... absolute black pill. Believe me when I tell you a lot of "incels" are actually volcels with similar stories. I'm not a bad guy, that's just what works and I CAN do it if I have to, so I did.

>>518689293
Are you saying that male genitals visually became appealing to you? When they weren't at all previously?

>>518686156 (OP)
Well that's fascinating. I thought it couldn't be changed with anything but a rope.

>>518686156 (OP)
Thank you for sharing.

>>518686156 (OP)
You sound very interesting anon. I wish I could meet you in real life. I feel like doing so would open up new possibilities for me. Perhaps one day

>>518686156 (OP)
This is actually a troon convincing itself it's a heterosexual woman.

>>518686156 (OP)
Thanks for sharing, Kristen.

>>518686156 (OP)
Oh, by the way, paid conversion therapies like this are ILLEGAL in Germany now. Have been for several years, in fact.
Imagine that!!

>>518686338
Ray peat outside of twatter? That's new. Very nice.


>>518686951
Also anti-parasite anon?

Where should I start to learn moee about that>>518688014
>I went to school with a couple of gay kids and you could tell from like, 3rd, 4th grade
Really? Wtf?

Did I not notice this shit due to being an autistic loner? Or did I just get lucky?

>>518686156 (OP)
good on you!

>>518690797

What if a gay adult wants to try some sort of conversion therapy? Is it illegal for everyone or just for minors?

Let’s face it. An attractive woman is even more attractive when she has a bulge. The world needs more of this.

>>518690873
>Did I not notice this shit due to being an autistic loner? Or did I just get lucky?

It takes one to know one.

>>518686156 (OP)
Wow she looks like Vixen Goddess who is a sexy white trans goddess.

>>518686156 (OP)
Prolly got tired of smelling rotten ass .

>>518691103
>It takes one to know one

So you only knew other kids were gay due to being gay yourself... hmm

I'll have to ask a few people about this kek

>>518690983
Conversion therapies are basically legal, just so long as you aren't charging any money for them.
Meaning a doctor would not do anything for you, since he is not even allowed to issue you a private bill for a private prescription.
So yeah, de facto, entirely illegal in Germany. Conversion therapies are only legal for degenerates, not for people seeking sanity. Not a joke!

>>518691397

It's mostly a joke, but gays are always more aware of other gays. I have a gay cousin and he says he has "gaydar."

>>518691019
fag

>>518686156 (OP)
I take spironolactone too, but I stack it with estradiol valerate because I'm gay.

>>518686558
BNWO, India and Poland stand together with big black cock.

>>518686156 (OP)
How about your schizophrenia?

>>518691019
Absolutely legit.

>>518691517

That sucks. In the US, conversion therapy is now defined as any attempt to change sexuality or gender identity, and it is banned in some states.

>>518687829
>late bloomer
post them already

>>518689684
>I'm not a bad guy
This is the part where we see you're not amoral, you're amoral AND low IQ.

>>518691019
Buldges are the most masculine part of a man

>>518689684
> 150+ IQ
Ahhh shucks you had to go and ruin it

>>518692193
I'm not a chad by any means
I was going through a bad time emotionally so I ended up with a new woman and treated her like shit.
When I started pulling myself together I noticed that I was treating her like shit and she was treating me like I could do no wrong, I was her personal Jesus basically.
I started to treat her better, tried to cater to at least some of her desires, allowed her access to some of my innermost thoughts and feelings (a thing she had been clamoring for)
she grew cold, started withholding sex and generally acting like a stuck up cunt
in the end I could not stand the situation anymore and I left her without a word
still feel bad about the whole thing desu

>>518686156 (OP)
Do all white women lez out with each other BY LAW? I've never ever saw or ever even heard of any non-white women ever lezzing out with each other like all the white women do.

>>518686364
Post nose