Thread 518692388

should the american prison system be reformed? it's currently based on cruelty to the inmates and treating them like slaves

Yes I think every should serve life sentences in 5 star hotels with high speed internet, gaming consoles, computers, all that good shit basically. Everyone should serve life sentences.

>>518692388 (OP)
>it's currently based on cruelty to the inmates and treating them like slaves
Don't break the law nigger

>>518692388 (OP)
Prisons should double as labor camps that pay dividends to city municipalities. If you get thrown in prison in the U.S. then you have severely fucked up multiple times. Some hard labor for a few years is much better than you would get anywhere else in the world and it would do the communities they have fucked for years some good. Anyway this thread is bait.

>>518692388 (OP)
It's not supposed to be comfortable.

>>518692506
you can't tell me this food is edible

>>518692388 (OP)
Yes. They should all be put to mandatory work, to pay for their food, lodging, and to somehow benefit society instead of burdening it.

>>518692388 (OP)
Should be straight to death row or labour camps.

>>518692555
Better than I eat.

>>518692555
When have you heard of a prisoner dying of starvation in the United States?

>>518692555
Maybe Tyrone should've finished his PhD instead of shanking little Timmy?

>>518692388 (OP)
They should break up the gangs and make prison a safe place for everyone. Violent criminals should all be in solitary confinement.

Prison is a degenerate semitic concept in the first place, solve the CQ and you solve the prison question

>>518692388 (OP)
The American prison system makes criminals worse people. Rape is common and being forcefully inducted into gangs is very common. This means that lesser criminals learn how to perform worse crimes and may even be forced to commit them.
A better prison system would send those who can never be reformed to effectively labor camps. Those who can be reformed should receive good quality re-education, housing, food, and a sense of community and trust.

>>518692555
Soggy biscuit time

>>518692706
Prison already is a massive source of slave labour in the US. There's no guarantee actual labour camps would be any different.

>>518692555
Looks delicious. Stop bitching about food.

>>518692555
Looks rather luxurious for a prison.

You know what my country fed prisoners before we got federated into weakness? Fucking nothing. And after three month - when the prisoner was so weak that he couldn't even fend off the insects and rats eating him alive in his cold unlit cell - we dragged him to the gallows and hanged him in front of the entire public as a midday diversion for the women and children.

Guess how many problems with crime we had.

>>518692706
This makes perfect sense, and I think I know how we can tell which ones are reformable and which ones must do labor.

>>518692780
I don't think you understand how hard it is to get thrown in prison in the U.S.

Theres a girl that got murdered in my city about 10 years ago with a hammer and her body thrown in the landfill by a 16 year old over $50 of weed. That guy is getting out of prison next year and will be back in society to murder someone else. You have to try to get thrown in prison. Police also turn a blind eye to a lot of crime. They could rack up charges on people who are known miscreants but they don't. I understand giving people some grace, but some of these people need some type of reformation. You can't just keep turning them loose on the streets.

>>518692388 (OP)
The issue with prison reform is that it is very hard to quantify the value of perceived justice.
It is easy to say that prisons focused on rehabilitation as the primary objective produce less reoffenders. All the data is there for you to examine and draw a conclusion that you can then put into a report or a university paper.
But how do you quantify the impact it has on families when the person that killed their loved one is living in relative comfort and recieving hundrends of thousands of dollars worth of psychological care aimed to build them up as a person? You can't quantify that. You can't put a number on it and so all the academics just ignore it. University fields have become so specalised, and it is not within the scope of the fields that study these issues to examine moral of philosophical issues that can't be quanitfied with data.
And the issue of perceived justice goes beyond just the families of victims. It has an impact on society at large. And not just as a disincentive for crime, which it may or may not even work as, but in the morale, sense of pride and sense of community that a society has. It is almost impossible to quantify the sense of disenfranchisement and disillusion that a justice system that does not adequately punish criminals creates, and even if you were to take a survey or something to get some kind of data on this, it is impossible to quantify what impact this sense of disillusion has on society.
That is why the cottage industry of prison reform is so heavily skewed towards rehabilitation. It is why political systems where the academic class hold more influence pursue prison reform much more so than nations with more populist political systems.
I don't take anyone that pushes prison reform seriously because inevitably their thinking is narrow and confined only to what can be measured and presented in a peer reviewed 'scientific' paper.

>>518692587
In the US you often have to pay for your incarceration.
100% serious.

>>518692634
This

>>518692506
spbp, it's really this easy

>>518692388 (OP)
How else would you treat a nigger?

>>518692388 (OP)
It would be cheaper to do mandatory executions for murderers and repeat offenders and then forced labor for others. Antisocial elements get removed.

>>518693440
Well, on top of that they should also pay with physical labor for their crimes, possibly dependent on the severity, murder and treason topping the ladder.

>>518692894
Turkey was under the Ottomans at that time Mehmet.

>>518692510
Fuck you. They are trying to put me in prison for saying the word beaner.
US has the highest prison population. They are all privately owned and profit massively by selling us basic necessities like socks and t-shirts at exorbitant rates while paying less than a dollar an hour for stamping license plates (so that the government can profit massively from licensure taxes) and furniture for the courthouses.
FUCK YOU bootlicker.
>you have fucked up multiple times
Tell me why a spic with 10 consecutive DUIs got to go home but they kept me in jail indefinitely for being a White gun owner that said a mean word.
Why don't you exercise your free speech and fafo, dumbass.

>>518692555
The slop they serve is filled with onions and I farted uncontrollably as soon as I ate it. I have never had problems with any other food.
They'll have to kill me to make me go back.

>>518692587
Except American prisons are all privatized and create massive profits by extorting prisoners for their right to communicate and basic hygiene.
Recidivism in this country is the highest in the world because the livelihood of legal system parasites depends on creating criminals.

>>518694811
1% of your population is in prison. Another 1% of your population is lawyers. A double percentage of your population will eventually be in prison at one point.

You are the largest free range concentration camp in the world.

>>518695203
Are you seriously defending criminals? Although I don't agree with a for profit prison system, they should be put to work for their crimes or killed if they're too severe in the case of high treason or murder.

>>518692388 (OP)
We can definitely afford to serve them better food and it would fix like 90% of the major issues

>>518693066
That's a very good point I never thought of. I also spend zero time thinking about prisons.

>>518698512
The major issues being. American prisons are thirdworld tier since the population is now racially plural open ended dystopia. It's Brazil.

>>518698444
you do know that the majority of people in prison are in there for non-violent offenses, right?

>>518698834
prison might be the only place where you can truly experience a White Ethnostate, actually

>>518698887
You're a disgusting kike, actually.

>>518692388 (OP)
should the american school system be reformed? it's the same system

>>518698934
am I wrong though?
where else is white racial solidarity stronger than an aryan gang in prison?

>>518692388 (OP)
If you can't stand prison food, don't steal that car or perform that murder

>>518699036
You're the expert here, jew. Don't ask me I don't know.

>>518692491
>>518692506
Over half of all prisoners are innocent.
The rest are black.

>>518692388 (OP)
You’re right, treating them like cattle isn’t enough. They should be euthanised and their remains can push up crops. Criminals are the cancer which undermines us all. They should be cut out of society and discarded.

>>518699124
why am I jewish

>>518699336
what about people serving short sentences for minor/non-violent crimes

it's designed for us to pay for the slaves so fast food places can get $0.25/hr labor. it's a scam.

>>518699650
Fuck no. If you’re in jail for any offence, you’ve fucked up beyond a misdemeanour. Eat shit for life.

>>518700556
>we should just immediately execute people for any crime at all and not even have prisons
wow you're the most based man alive you fucking retard

>>518692555
everyone trades commissary and cooks with coffee makers and stuff

>>518700912
just make the food a little better and let them smoke cigarettes again
almost every problem solved

>>518692555
Wypipo don't season they food

>>518701129
esoteric knowledge
chirp

>>518698858
I don't see how that changes anything. They should be put to work if they're in prison, no matter what crime they're in for. They're in prison for a reason.

>>518701211
The whole point is that your punishment is the restriction of your freedom
It's not meant to be abject torture or forced labor
Those are barbaric

>>518700779
Do you realise how repeatedly hard you have to fuck up to end up in prison? These “people” aren’t worth the air they breathe. You’re either a criminal yourself (or have a family member serving time), or you’re some NIMBY cunt who’s never had the pleasure of encountering these sacks of shit. If you roll out of bed in the morning and instead of having breakfast you just HAVE to commit crime then you can get the fuck out of society permanently.

>>518701211
also
>nobody innocent has ever been sent to prison
get real dude

>>518692510
Bring back gulags and make blacks and mexicans turn Jews into lampshades there to later sell at Shmuley's Shade Shack™.

>Oi, Myrtle, look at these prices! We knew Mortimer was cheap, but this is ridiculous!

>>518701288
>These “people” aren’t worth the air they breathe
That's just high talk from a clearly sheltered faggot who projects about "never having to encounter" anything
You know full well that people end up doing long sentences for things that are either pure bullshit, not their fault, exaggerated, misunderstood, pure accidents etc.
And you're smugly sitting there saying "heh well just don't get in trouble you ruffians" like a fucking faggot nerd who's never encountered the real world once

>>518701279
Great. Bring back barbarism. I support this completely.

>>518701303
Undeniably possible, but that's for the judicial system to resolve, investigators and so on. It has nothing to do with prison rules. All inmates should be put to work.

>>518701466
>Great. Bring back barbarism. I support this completely.
No you don't, but OK

>>518701466
I hope you never find yourself on the receiving end of the kind of system you're advocating for

>>518692388 (OP)
Fun fact
They are called Gorilla trays

https://www.cooksdirect.com/the-gorilla-tray-cooks-brand-correctional-meal-serving

>>518692388 (OP)
>prison system
why pay so much taxes for this useless gay ghetto that only harms you in return

in sharia you get lashed and humiliated

>no costs
>actually effective

>>518701211
>no matter what crime they're in for. They're in prison for a reason.

>>518692388 (OP)
That's normal food quality in America I don't know what you mean.

>>518701514
>>518701548
And I won't because I'm not criminal scum. I hope that you realize the difference between an inefficient, incompetent and/or corrupt justice system and prisons themselves. As institutions their focus should be entirely on managing the prisoners and putting them to work to serve society. If it turns out that their judgement was wrong, they can be eligible for recompense, especially if whatever sentence they're in for is relatively light.

>>518702263
what a bootlicking good little goy you are

The 13th amendment was passed not to abolish slavery, but to expand it from just African born slaves to every race equally. Previously it would have been unacceptable to enslave a Christian white man, but after the specific exemption allowed in the 13th amendment, it suddenly became not only legal but moral to enslave men of all races, assuming they could be convicted of any minor offense against the state itself. The 'black codes' (precursor to Jim Crow laws) they created immediately following the 13th amendment made it a criminal act to be vagrant (aka not have work papers) or insufficiently fencing in your livestock (fencing laws) for people who were literally slaves 10 minutes ago, and now they're criminally convicted slaves for the state instead of a private owner who might have actual financial investment in them. Instead, the state can burn through them as quickly as possible to reduce the overall population.

So we shifted from brutal punishments for brutal crimes (hanging men found guilty of murder, etc) and mostly laize faire government intervention to mass incarceration rates for nonsensical bullshit and false crimes. Cops are constantly targeting and arresting the same group of people over and over for non crimes on the basis that those people have a criminal record and so they're guilty. Meanwhile taxpayers are funding this entire system of complete waste so that the state can mass manufacture license plates for free.

The entire system is sick and should be dismantled. It's creation was based on a lie.

>>518702742
Hah, that's hilarious. You wouldn't survive without the system you believe to be so incredibly oppressive or whatever. But think what you want. You have the right to say it even though you're wrong.

>>518692388 (OP)
You're right there shouldn't be any punishment for raping and murdering people.

>>518692388 (OP)
You lost.

>>518692388 (OP)
aye my nigga, you gon finish yo pisstatoes?

>>518696043
cope seljuk

>>518692388 (OP)
Its a for profit nigger zoo.

>be me
>zogbot
>get out of the army
>no clue what to do with my life
>BE A PRISON GUARD
>THEY LOVE EX MILITARY GUYS
>interview
>pass test
>they take us to tour the jail
>its literally 90% repeat offenders
>all totally guilty
>they are in jail for years without trial as a legal strategy
>gives the victims family time to become christcucks and forgive niggers for assaulting and raping their family
>or die or move away
>other 10% are total mental cases that eat their own shit and spend all day trying to kill themselves
>I decided to go to college instead

All that money spent housing feral niggers. Its got to be in the billions of dollars. The whole thing is pure grift for profit. In a functioning society we would just use them for target practice and then feed them to the hogs.

>>518705480
The top three mental health providers in the US are prisons. Meaning, the majority of "mental healthcare" is being provided for through the prison system. That's because JFK passed legislation right before he was killed that closed all the mental hospitals and was supposed to fund replacing them with actual hospitals where they weren't performing mass lobotomies, but instead they started putting them in prison.

Win/win for everyone?

>>518692388 (OP)
the foods not that bad. people are just whiny babies.
also prison itself isn't really cruel, its just that other inmates make it hell. they are the real punishment.

>>518692388 (OP)
If prison in the USA was like it is in Sweden or similar country, I would go back. I spent 2 1/2 years in a US prison, it was kind of comfy and time flew by. I read books all day, played some cards with the boys, worked out, wrote a fuck ton of letters, listened to the radio, played playsation 2 and could rent pirated nude dvds from the guards. Food was ass though and I didn't have any family or friends to send me commisary. There was so much less stress than the real world that is so fake and gay. I has been over a decade since I've been out and I still think about killing people just to have a nice place to stay. Maybe my mind is fucked, I don't know anymore.

>>518692388 (OP)
They should replace prison with corporal punishment:
* cheaper
* effective deterrent
* niggers hate it especially

>>518706528
When the elites have robot servants to cater for them, isn't every peasant just making society shittier by their mere existence, neckbeard? You'll burn with the rest of us.

Separate violent inmates from nonviolent. Or separate all inmates. Too many get in altercations and end up injured or dead, which costs money. Or they form gangs, which leads to recidivism if they're ever released.

Really, any violent crime should just be solved with a bullet to the head.

>>518692388 (OP)
you can't even punish some obvious pedos and you think you can change anything. you the people are not in charge or in any control, they give you a nice show and some fake boxes to put your little vote in and then they just do whatever they want.

>>518692388 (OP)
>treating them like slaves
As per the 13th Amendment.
Reminder: Slavery was never outlawed in the country. It's terms of acceptability were just shifted.

>>518692506
>>518693968
fucking kikes

>>518701674
>Fun fact
>They are called Gorilla trays
LMFAO
my fucking sides

>>518692388 (OP)
let's coddle criminality
that sounds like a plan for success
prisons aren't supposed to be fun

Nigger Mayors
Nigger DAs
Nigger Police Chiefs
Niggers make nigger systems

>>518692506
The law also states that raping an inmate and brutally beating him is not allowed

>>518692894
Apparently enough to make this a customary practice

>>518692388 (OP)
I think nigger prisoners should be deported to Africa. It would save the tax payer lots of money

>>518692388 (OP)
Every murderer, pedophile and violent rapist should receive the immediate death penalty.
You would empty out the prisons very quickly, save a lot of money, provide a genuine reason for people to avoid committing these crimes and do a great service to society.
The only reason the system exists as it currently does is because Jewish criminals don't want consequences for themselves or their pets.

>>518695012
The local police enjoy extracting surplus fines from me because I'm homeless.
>"Enjoying your beer anon that we didn't see you drinking? $200 dollars or we throw you in the rape zoo!"
>"Oh we caught you once drinking in public, that means we can harass you every chance we get now!"
>"Don't get snippy with me because we let unemployed fent addicts repeatedly overdose in the local gas station bathroom. You have a job and know better."
>"Oh you can't pay? Rape zoo is right there if you'd rather!"
And so on and so on and so on

>>518713172
A friend of mine from high school (military vet) is homeless and camps in the woods by a gas station and occasionally begs for money at an intersection. Even though it's legal to panhandle (it's the first amendment) most municipalities pass illegal laws against it, but they don't usually even bother trying to enforce those because they already know they will lose in court.

So what they do instead is arrest him for "obstructing traffic." He's been arrested 18 fucking times for obstructing traffic, aka begging for money. The last time he served 9 months before he got a hearing, so plead guilty in exchange for time served which is what they do every time.

Now explain to me how my tax dollars are being put to good use to frame this homeless guy for bullshit traffic infractions so he can serve every 9 out of 12 months in prison. What the fuck, fellas?

>>518695085
were you raped