Thread 518716729

>yeh we’re just a bunch of evolved apes who happen to have consciousness somehow on a spinning rock with nothing coming after this life
How can you honestly believe and live like this

>>518716729 (OP)
Yeah, how can people not believe in magic jews??

>>518716729 (OP)
stop sacrificing virgins

I assume based on the picture that you aren't actually interested in an answer, you just want replies because you're bored and lonely. This isn't politics, this is philosophy. Post on another board if you're so smart and stop pissing in the ocean of piss that is /pol/.

>>518716729 (OP)
Either there is something more afterlife or this is it.
Think about all of the life that has died before you and those that will die long after you.
Its almost as if its pointless. Except its not. There has been a challenge made. And to complete the challenge it will take the combined experience of all living things. Every generation is one step closer to winning.

>akkkkkkkkkkshulllly, the foreskin eating jewish tribal war god (that nobody can see or verify in any way) made all this
Much better, thanks OP

Come to /church/ >>>/gif/29615715
just ate a range ban on making threads on /pol/ for revealing pic rel.

>>518717164
>kike seethes about Christ
must be a day ending in Y

>yeah, we're a pile of dirt that was turned alive by magic jew breath and now have to worship jews or get tortured
How can any self-respecting White person buy into this without emotional black mail?

>>518717454
you aren't white kike

>>518716729 (OP)
Theism and atheism can both be true at the same time.

>>518717600
>dualistic worldview
gnostic detected.

This image is from like 2009. I wonder if this guy has a youtube channel now or something.

>>518717510
Nice projection there, spic. Go worship kikes somewhere else. "NO U" doesn't work here.

>>518717510
You believe in a literal Jewish prophet who preached about a Jewish god to Jewish people. It’s okay to believe just based on faith, but don’t try to make it rational because that’s always going to fail (and is anathema to what Jesus preached anyway)

>>518716729 (OP)
It's not a "belief," it's a fact

How can you believe in supernatural magical thinking?

>>518716729 (OP)
Anti abortion=nigger lover

Nigger lovers are enemies of america

>>518717733
>is literally jewish
>depicts anti-Kike religion as worshiping Christ-killing kike larpers
pottery

>>518717332
Actually didn't mention your proto Marxist jew hippie messiah cooked up by Pharisee Paul but thanks for the schizo tears post

>>518717751
you're a commercial reputation management firm paid by Israel to demean Christ.
Picrel: How kikes actually feel about Christians.

>>518716821
Cultists got to feel superior somehow
With stupidity comes egoism

>>518717829
>How can you believe in supernatural magical thinking?
like evolution?
Space is fake and gay
Nukes are a hoax
Evolution is a lie
Earth is flat and unmoving
Dinosaurs never existed

>>518716729 (OP)
Not sure desu.
Seems like an empty life to me.
I have never met a happy atheist.
Humans have always embraced some type of spirituality.

>>518716911
This guy gets it. We're all gonna make it, anon.

>>518717895
>jewish seething
lol

>>518717970
>>518718013
lol

>>518716729 (OP)
Reminder that abiogenesis is still a hypothesis.

>>518716729 (OP)
This entire board is just pms-posting from people who never matured past 16.

>>518717285
Death to christ cuck anti abortion nigger lovers

>>518718012
Real ones wear tinfoil condoms

>>518716729 (OP)
Some of us don't live like that.

Blue Eisenhower November

Been tagging this planet for a while.

I don't want to scare you all too much, so I'm not going to let this world know how it will actually cease existence.

However, we have some friends looking out for us.

>>518716729 (OP)
If God is real, then he's done such a good job of hiding himself and making the world explicable without him that I can only assume he wants us to be atheists.

>>518718074
>Reminder that abiogenesis is still a hypothesis.
and evolution was specifically created to serve as as a secular alternative to Creation.
Satanic from the start.

>>518718147
>This entire board is just pms-posting from people who never matured past 16.
never
stop
seething
you lost
you will continue to lose
and somehow you will lose more than you ever thought possible.

>>518718276
>Satanic
Who created satan??

>>518716729 (OP)
Because that's what the evidence shows. Sorry copetard

>>518718260
There's literally no evidence for evolution
in fact the genetic revolution has absolutely proved evolution false.
>le project blue beans
what a fag.

>>518716729 (OP)
>How can you honestly believe and live like this
allow me to brief summary
>NODAD I DON'T WANT TO GET UP EARLY ON SUNDAY I"M GOING TO BE LARPING WITH MY FURRY FRIENDS LATE SATURDAY
>NO FUCK YOU DAD!
and then they make teenage faggotry their whole life.

for the retards its not always furry but always faggotry

>>518718353
>Who created satan??
Same thing that created your Satanic ass Herschel.

>>518718356
>Because that's what the evidence shows. Sorry copetard
There is literally no evidence, NONE, for evolution.
which is why you can never produce any.

>>518718035
>i take everything jews do at face value
>implying kikes don't know you hate them
Geeg

>>518718381
>pinegap kike
lol
every
single
time

IT NOT PLOT HOLES! IT AM THREE IN ONE! IT DO MAKE SENSE! YOU JUST TOO DUMB DUMB TO UNDEDSTA D THREE WAY GOD MAN!!

>>518717829
Explain how you believe anything.

Pro-tip, you can't, without first accepting that you exist, and then you churn because there is no reason for you to exist. Which is where you hit a dead end.
Sorry, champ.

How you believe something:

1. ????
2. You exist
3. You exist, with the ability to believe
4. An untold number of interactions occur
5. You believe it

Come now, you can't seriously think you're going to solve the puzzle with a primate brain, do you?

AFOFN's don't come and go, they come and stay.

>>518718478
>>i take everything jews do at face value
I've never trusted a jew in my life.

>>518716729 (OP)
Why does the atheist have a cross on his neck?

>>518718548
>pinegap kike continues autistic screeching
pottery.

>>518716729 (OP)
Your first problem is falsely believing atheists are rational people.
They support trannies and niggers after all. No rational person could.

>>518718381
Tpbp total atheist supremacy

>>518716729 (OP)
>yeah so people have believed in thousands of different gods since the dawn of time but the real one is the jewish god, because the jews told me so

>>518718407
>*Gives your toddler leukemia*
Because he loves you! But realy its satan problem. But please dont ask why god created evil incarnate. For no reason at all!

>>518718260
That's a retarded viewpoint.
Nothing about this world resolves existence without God.

>>518718641
>5eyes shill anti-Christ posting supported by MSM propaganda
pottery.

Nigger Faggot Nigger Faggot Kike Nigger Faggot. I'm just some 40yo goyim that doesn't believe in your super jew. You Americans are really fucking dumb. I never said a single globohomo thing. I simply said your religious belief is fucking retarded.

>>518718704
This life is not for pleasure
it's for overcoming suffering
you are the suffering

>>518716821
fpbp

>>518718841
>Pinegap kike continues autistic screeching
lol

>>518718878
The devil created the jews? So devil created jesus. Weird schizophrenic jew bullshit...

>>518716729 (OP)
Always loved the atheist fedora meme

>>518718893
>>518716821

>>518716729 (OP)
How can you exist in this reality for more than 5 minutes and unironically still believe in magic

The right-wing insisting it has to LARP religion or Western civilization collapses has become a lobotomy. Nothing you actually believe in hinges on the necessity of Jewish mythology.

I am directly aware of information from outside of the known Universe.

I am directly aware of details regarding the creation of Earth.

I am directly aware of how Earth will be destroyed.

The stories from all religions on this world are mostly wrong.
Some details are correct.

Atheists are wrong on the subject of God's existence.

Atheists are correct that most religions are bullshit.

God is very real. The paper humans wrote down convoluted guidebooks to get people to obey the monarchy, is wrong.

So religion is wrong.
Atheists are wrong.

God is still real, and your existence in this Universe is purpose bound, and mechanistic.

I'll see you all when you arrive at the proper gate.

I'm waiting.

>>518719000
Because retarded parents indoctrinated you by going with the societal pressure kf going to church.

>>518716729 (OP)
People do often like to make up copes like that when they don't believe in themselves enough to just come out and be who they really are inside. It's no secret.

>>518718963
>pilpul
hjahjahahah

>>518716729 (OP)
You can't honestly have me believe in a kike god while this happens.

>>518716729 (OP)
they're always fat too
ALWAYS

>>518718970
>Always loved the atheist fedora meme
one of the most spiritually powerful memes of our lifetime.

>>518718566
And yet you believe them when they say they hate Jewsus with 0 risk to themselves in doing so

>>518719000
>>518719031
>>518719085
The only person kikes hate more than Hitler is Jesus
and it's for the same reasons.

>>518719111
checked
Uncle Mustache on pagans is 11/10 keks
>>518719140

>>518716729 (OP)
>I fear death
>Now I will worship some magic thing that says I won't die
>See, now I get to live forever
>Checkmate atheists
Ok, if that helps you cope, I'm fine with it.

>>518719170
>And yet you believe them when they say they hate Jewsus with 0 risk to themselves in doing so
Ye shall know them (you) by their (your) fruits kike

>>518719031
>>518719219
Go to church goy! Otherwise ZOG collapses...

>>518719219
>christianity is when you hate jews and are redpilled
You’re just proving my point.

>>518719219
i don't understand though, isn't according to your lore Jesus is literally Jewish

>>518719306
>I'm fine with it
>counter signals
lol

>this was always a Christian board!!
t. MIGAboomer/Spic Fuentes gayper

>puts gott mitt uns on beltbuckles
>Loses everything in 15 years
The retarded austrian painter is the best proof with christ you lose

>>518719358
we
know
all
your
tricks
kike

>>518719464
Memeflag=nigger

>>518719573
Yeah, we know this campaign is called christianity

>>518719385
>>christianity is when you hate jews and are redpilled
based
>You’re just proving my point.
gif rel my brother in Christ.

>>518716729 (OP)
Is that John Popper? Didn't he threaten to rapekill somebody on the Howard retard show?
Isn't he dead? Or is he still getting away with it?

>>518719692
Jesus is Jewish so how do you reckon with the idea that you automatically hate everyone in that race even though your best friend is Jewish

>>518719692
Jewish mythology isn’t real and it’s enough to believe in right wing ideals for their own real life benefits. All of this is retarded, and if you told any priest or pastor on the planet about your opinion on jews, he’d pray for your soul.

>>518719312
If I spit on you for your beliefs, would you cease to hold those beliefs to gain back my favor?
Fuck no, you'd double down on those beliefs and hate me.
What did it cost those kikes to spit on Christmutts?
Oh right, absolutely nothing because you're pathetic golem trained to worship weakness, losing and dying.
Wake me up when kikes actually use hard material power to end cuckstainity (never).

Christcucks surrendered lol

>>518719534
>kike scared of me
correct.

>>518719464
>MIGAboomer
should probably stop trying to murder him if you want us to buy you support him.

>>518719649
>Memeflag=nigger
there's no niggers on the internet
all memeflags are kikes.

>>518719656
>Yeah, we know this campaign is called christianity

>>518719984
>I spit on you for your beliefs
yes typical kike reaction to Christians.
see >>518719312
>>518719419
>i don't understand though, isn't according to your lore Jesus is literally Jewish
1) biblical jews have absolutely no relation to modern Ashkenazi
2) they killed Christ
>>518719772
>Jesus is Jewish so how do you reckon with the idea that you automatically hate everyone in that race even though your best friend is Jewish
see above
>>518719935
you're literally jewish.

>>518720510
Niggers go into the gas chambers first

>>518720734
>Niggers go into the gas chambers first
not all
not all
not all
but most.

>>518720843
I see you need to enter them as well

>>518716729 (OP)
The answer is neither creation in the Abrahamic ethos(tm) nor the antithesis of that being atheism. They've set it up in such a way that opposing jewish scriptures still forces you interact with the Christ-Zeit as in order to be an atheist you are required to understand and dedicate your life to disproving faith based jewish mind viruses.

>>518720905
>pretends memeflags are niggers
>seethes about Ye and /qween_candace/

>>518721055
>Abrahamic
100% of the time this word is used, it's by a kike.

>>518720651
>no relation
... Aside from being literally Jewish? Jesus was a literal Jewish man, by every single account. So how do you justify hating a whole race of individuals who have their own unique opinions and perspectives? The greatest strength of religion should be how it brings the best out of people with good moral values, but the truth is people use it as a cudgel to act like the most venomous evil pieces of shit with colossal egos. And it's not religions fault, it's the fault of regular people who are so easily manipulated their personalities and beliefs are bent to whatever their media shows them.

>>518721340
He was a Hebrew

>>518721314
Would you like judaism and islam excluded?

>believes universe came into being without intent
>which would mean there's no inherent meaning to existence
>doesn't sell everything they own and hire a fleet of meth hookers and OD on fent
van til was right, atheists are full of shit.
you know God exists, you're just mad at Him for making you short and fat.

>>518721266
Nigger lovers are enemies of america

>>518721870
>Nigger lovers are enemies of america
you're a kike.
and all kike narratives are things you fucking disgusting kikes are actually bragging about.

>>518721949
Time to eliminate all nigger lovers

Zero exceptions

>>518717332
today is Opsgay.

>>518721832
Mega cope. I create my own intent, and I do get high and fuck hookers all the time as well.

>>518722239
what exactly do you get out of this exchange you're having with me right now?
why aren't you masturbating instead?

>>518721556
He was born to a Jewish mother in a Jewish part of the world surrounded by Jewish colleagues, and the lesson should be this person I idolize and love so much is part of a group I despise; maybe I should recognize the fact that groups are comprised of individuals that should be judged as individuals. Right? ‘cus /pol/ culture is to instantly judge someone based off their group, while at the same time having tremendous angst for being treated the same way

>>518722299
This is masturbation to me, I'm also actually jerking it to scat futa guro right now.

>>518718550
existence isn't a byproduct of thought you stupid fuck.

>>518717939
No, you’re just a tradcath LARPer who doesn’t actually believe in Christ, except when it’s convenient for you to derive a sense of superiority from it. If you actually believed, you’d simply believe, and you wouldn’t demean yourself with pointless internet arguments about it. My dad is a Christian and for the longest time I had no idea he even went to church on Sundays - I just assumed he was working. He never tries to make it anyone else’s business, or draw weird muh ontological proofs in the sand. He just follows Jesus word and believes because he believes, nothing else. Makes him 10x a truer Christian than your LARPing ass ever will be

>>518716729 (OP)
What if a universe exists for every possibility, and in one, a bunch of apes evolved who happen to have consciousness on a spinning rock with nothing coming after this life

>>518722312
>oh vey goyim! fall for semitic semantic pilpul!
very compelling rabbi try calling us christcucks again.

>>518720651
>playing dumb THIS aggressively
Concession accepted

>>518716729 (OP)
I'm euphoric atheist solely to make christkikes seethe.

>>518722138
Start with Jewish hip hop executives kike
>>518722177
>today is Opsgay.
checked
>>518722312
>He was born to a Jewish mother in a Jewish part of the world surrounded by Jewish colleagues
And you are of the synagogue of Satan.
>>518722454
>No, you’re just a tradcath
I'm not Catholic.

>>518722588
>Concession accepted
like all jewish victories,
it's entirely a figment of your imagination.

>>518722738
No

Nigger first

>>518722625
>christkikes
you're a Scandi-commerical shill hired by Israel to anti-christ post.

>>518722784
its really funny we made kikes start using VPNs
GOTCHA RIGHT IN THE WALLET HERSCHEL

>>518721832
>Earth isnt a special creation of a jew wizard therefore nothing makes sense
No wonder majority kf your religion are shitskins

>>518722822
>43 posts of pure jewoid seethe
Lool

>>518722515
you're arguing with people that think the world is 7000 years old.

>>518722955
>memeflag
>seething about Christ
>begging me to leave the battlefield to some disgusting rat-fink kike.
lol

>>518721832
You’re here on a Sunday shitposting. What exactly has MUH MEANING done to enrich your quality of life? You have no heavenly ideals to conquer and assert your will on the universe like Alexander, just fart sniffing about having the “right” opinion.

>>518722962
>>518722515
>le space
fucking faggots

>>518716729 (OP)
even before I learned about evolution as kid I noticed some animals like cats and dogs share features with humans (ie they have four arms/legs, eyes, nose, mouth etc) and some like birds and fish are further but still have some commonalities (still have two eyes etc) and you can keep doing this with all creatures

I'm not saying there's no greater spiritual meaning to life but at least it's obvious the features in animals came from common ancestors and split off at some point

>>518722738
So you’re a Protestant LARPer. It doesn’t change anything. Analyse your own behaviour itt and ask yourself if you’re doing it out of actual faith or simply to create a false sense of superiority in yourself, one that you’re unable to draw from other parts of your life

>>518723013
Dunking on christcucks is safe and effective.

>>518722518
How is jesus being jewish a bad thing

>>518721832
>>518723057
If you know God exists, why aren’t you smiting the satanic jewish pedophiles in a holy war?

>>518723079
>le obviously ironic shitposting to prented to be retarded.
Go back, kiddo.

>>518723171
Its a loser faggot who lashes out on the internet because IRL no one gives a shit about his religious hangups

>>518718641
>Article title doesn't specify a religion
>The image attacks Christianity

>>518722781
Hey look, it's NOT-Yahweh (the jewish foreskin eating tribal war god) punishing jews!!
Thanks for making my point for me.

>>518723171
>So you’re a Protestant LARPer
nah
>>518723172
>Dunking on christcucks is safe and effective.
doesn't seem too safe kike
>>518723240
>Go back, kiddo.
hey sly you stupid fucking nigger.

>>518723280
And? The article is implying that anyone who believes in some kind of religion including norse paganism is stupid

>>518716729 (OP)
Be grateful God let you see behind the veil. Not everyone can actually do it, although the glory and goodness of God should lead man to faith and repentance. Unfortunately God has to do all the work for us because we are stupid.

it really doesn't matter if there is a god, because they obviously do not give a shit about anything.
Need a creator? Why not aliens?

>>518716729 (OP)
>believe in a badly written jewish story about a magical narcissist sky demon who hates foreskins.
Any religion beyond basic animism + sun worship is heresy.

>>518723501
>worshipping a ball of plasma
You're stupid

>>518723430
>space am not reel guise dur christ am king jew!

>>518722898
yeah that's not what i said or implied.
i'll lay it out in a more syllogistic structure:
p1: if the universe was not created with intent (by a personal moral Creator) then objective moral values and duties do not exist.
p2: if objective moral values do not exist, then no action or lifestyle can be inherently right or wrong.
p3: if no action or lifestyle can be inherently right or wrong, then there is no moral distinction between altruistic professions (being a doctor) and other professions (being a cannibalistic rapist)
c: therefore, if atheism is true, loud fart noise.

>>518723202
the anomie atheism brings is a bigger threat than any machination of the jews

>>518723573
Post eyes religiouscuck

>>518723437
And yet the only religion that athiests ever attack is Christianity. Curious!

>>518722868
Your tinfoil buttplug is showing

>>518723723
Untrue

Muzzy boy rapers require gassing

You easily offended cunts only pay attention when YOUR fee fees get hurt

>>518723464
extra terrestrials would be contingent entities
the creator of space/time needs to exist necessarily and logically prior to space/time in order to create space/time

This is you
You people are fedora tipping atheists with crosses now, you inherited all their reddit tier arguments

>>518723586
>if the universe was not created with intent (by a personal moral Creator) then objective moral values and duties do not exist.
... why
Doing good things feels good in your brain, people watch videos of like animal rescues and stuff because seeing good feels good. That's not religion that's just basic human expression, in a normal healthy society. Your views are very nihilistic and ego-driven, the only reason good things happen is because of what I believe in basically. It's frankly retarded

>>518723723
Uhm chud, we don't welcome antisemites in the atheism community. You nazis do not belong here.

>>518723946
Atheists are mostly the younger generation and the younger generation are the biggest critics of Israel, to the point where Netanyahu is openly admitting he is at war with them and their perspectives of Jews

>>518723834
sounds like special pleading, if things need to have a cause, then what made your god?
If your god doesn't need a cause, then everything doesn't need a cause.

>>518723834
Why does a creator need to exist for a theoretical model? Just because the process is concealed/not understood does not at all equate to divine creation

>>518724325
Exactly. There is no god or afterlife.

>>518723918
>Doing good things feels good in your brain
sure, helping an old lady cross the street can make you feel good about yourself, but what about DRINKING THE BLOOD OF YOUR ENEMY FROM A CUP MADE FROM HIS SKUUUULLL??
things like vengeance, tribal loyalty (where you unhuman others) and asserting dominance are just as innate to the human experience as empathy and altruism.
if moral instincts are just neurological echoes of evolutionary survival strategies, then why ought one impulse be called "good" and another "evil?"
if there's no transcendent moral standard, no creator whose nature grounds goodness, then all you're left with is personal preference and everchanging social convention.

>>518716729 (OP)
been euphoria maxxing my whole life.
get on my level.

>>518724374
read arthur schopenhauer's essay "On religion".

>>518724363
what makes you so certain?
>no p-prooooof
nah bitch, you're in "strong atheist" mode and just made a knowledge claim, can't hide behind agnosticism now.
>>518724325
i'm not saying "we don't know, therefore God"
i'm saying any explanation of the origin of space/time must account for the necessary preconditions of intelligibility, and impersonal contingent processes can't do that.
contingent entities (like ayy lmaos, humans, or quantum fields) depend on something else for existence, they can't explain the totality of being, they presuppose it.
space and time themselves are not eternal or self-explanatory. they had a beginning (as big bang cosmology affirms) which means they are not necessary, they could have been otherwise or not existed.
therefore, whatever caused space/time must be non-contingent (necessary) and must exist logically (not temporally) prior to the physical universe.

only a personal, rational mind can account for the origin of rationality, order, and moral law, all of which we rely on to do science or ethics.
so it's about recognizing that without a necessary personal creator, the entire model floats on unjustified assumptions rather than just plugging god into a gap.
you can build a theoretical model without invoking God, but you can't account for the very possibility of building models at all without Him.

>>518724775
don't just ignore my reply.
At least put some effort into defending your position or I'm leaving the thread.

>>518716821
Fpbp, as usual

>>518724763
his pessimism also underscores my point. if morality is just a byproduct of evolutionary wiring or cultural conditioning, then there's no ultimate "ought" only what feels good or serves survival.

schopenhauer himself wrestled with the tension between moral intuition and metaphysical despair. he admired compassion but couldn't ground it in anything transcendent.
that's the dilemma.
you can reject divine grounding, but then you're left trying to explain why cruelty is wrong without appealing to anything beyond human preferences.
without a transcendent source, morality collapses into taste, power, or utility, not moral truth.

>>518724374
basically it's society, society wouldn't exist if those impulses were still so prevalent. you reap the rewards of society so you're pressured to stay good or be punished. and good natures are baked into our upbringings, we're taught doing bad is bad. religion played a role in instilling these natures but at this point it's just a part of the human condition now, completely non-religious households are still brought up on good values. and it's just how human brains are, we see a video of a guy climbing up 10 stories to save a cat from a burning building we cheer for it meanwhile someone throwing puppies into a river invokes a horrible feeling in your gut; and if you don't have those feelings, there's probably something fundamentally broken in your brain those people are not the norm now.

>>518723573
you're so fat sly

>>518723736
>Your tinfoil buttplug is showing
lol

>>518725070
There are philosophys outside of be nice or you go to hell, pick any damn one.
For me, it's the golden rule.
I don't need god for that.

You've said this multiple times, yet athiests don't run around murdering people they disagree with and dislike, so evidently there isn't much to struggle over.

>>518724775
Can God be defined and have that definition support a singular field of applied science? God is a placeholder for the theoretical and continues to be pushed back further down the chain of events which resulted in creation.

>>518724938
sorry, i'm juggling a lot of posts
>>518724148
>what caused god xd
oh, this was the amazing reply you wanted me to engage with.

contingent things require causes, necessary things do not.
God, by definition, is necessary, the uncaused cause, the foundation of all being.
asking "what caused god" is like asdking "what's north of the north pole"
>why can't space/time be necessary then?
because space and time are contingent, they began to exist, they change, and they depend on conditions outside themselves.
they're not self-existent, they're not eternal, they're not logically necessary.
i could've ended this post with a joke about frogs but i didn't, because i made a choice, because contingent beings can do that.

on to the leaf.

I also want to just state outright there is no objective morality from religion, you see all kinds of different religions, and branches of religions.
And even plenty of the religious that will cop out of actually following what is in their religion.
So it really is subjective, by definition regardless of how devout you claim to be.

>>518725617
you have not demonstrated logically why god doesn't need a cause, nor have you demonstrated that time needs a cause, or that space, as a property of distance needs a cause.
You seem very confused.

>>518725162
you're describing how moral behavior is incentivized by society, and i agree.
social pressure and upbringing shape behavior. but that's not the topic.

why should we call one impulse "good" and another "evil" if both are equally natural?
you say we cheer for the man saving the cat and recoil at cruely, but that's just describing how we feel and not why those feelings are morally authoritative.
if morality is just a product of evolution and social conditioning, then it's not objective (real) it's adaptive. and if it's adaptive, then it's contingent, and if it's contingent, then it can (and will) change. which means there's no ultimate "ought," only what works for now.

but no one lives that way. we don't say "throwing puppies into a river is wrong FOR ME." we say it's wrong, period.
that kind of moral judgment only makes sense if there's a standard outside of us, something transcendent and unchanging, something that doesn't evolve with culture or brain chemistry.

so yes, society teaches us values, but unless those values are grounded in something greater than society they're just preferences with power.
and if that's all morality is, then it doesn't matter what's right, it's only wrong if you get caught.
>>518725772
>there is no objective morality from religion, you see all kinds of different religions
you're conflating ontology with epistemology.
the fact that people disagree about a thing doesn't negate the thing's existence.
it's like saying gravity isn't real because people used to believe in geocentrism.

>>518726090
you've disproven all religions now???
holy shit.

>>518725920
i actually have demonstrated all of those things but i don't feel like repeating myself if you're just going to pretend i haven't touched on them instead of addressing my reasoning.
scroll up or shut up.

>>518726385
explain.

>>518723886
that's literally me.

>>518716729 (OP)
I don't believe that, but I don't believe your holy book is the word of god either. Fuck yourself with your religion.

>>518723563
>Worshipping a jewish book
You're suicidal

>>518723689
that's a fat ex-military shill from twitter named Sly_Sparkane.

>>518726630
why not?

>>518726487
Look up the definition of objective.
Your argument is for subjective morality, from your religion, not objective.
Or objective morality from ALL religions.
Pick one you stupid fuck.

>>518716729 (OP)
no, man. we took shrooms, dude.

Is it possible for a man to understand God thoughbeit

>>518726787
objective morality (an ontological position) means moral truths are valid and binding regardless of human minds.
pointing out that there are disagreements is utterly irrelevant.

>>518716729 (OP)
>"You don't get it WE ARE ALL SPECIAL and you should accept your shitty lot in life while others have no burdens because it all pays off AFTER you die"

They will mindbend and act like spoilt children as much as it takes to maintain their chosen delusions.
But it is the fact that they can’t
A) shut up with their boring lack of knowledge/understanding
B) and just fuck off
that is really tiresome.
Okay do your cult, but stop bothering your betters. I’m sure that the jews have made websites for you to discuss star trek on and the latest condescensions from the likes of Brian ‘Multiple’ Cox and other unbearable adult children who lead you down the garden path. You don’t have to stalk everyone else trying to police them like mad ass trannies.

>>518727011
A rock as long as you know what a rock is the ontological being rocko who came from his black dad bull balls and became wwf universal champion

>>518727177
Fix your mess if you know what's wrong it

>>518726725
Not a single book on earth is the word of the creator of the universe, if there is one. Like I don't know the answers but neither do you.

>>518727011
Then by the english definition of the word subjective, you've argued a case for subjective morality.
congratulations!

>>518727527
how do you know i don't know, and how do you know the bible isn't divine revelation?
>>518727554
you're retarded dude.
https://iep.utm.edu/objectiv/

>>518727724
How do you know I'm not God?

>>518727724
still subjective.
Look up the definition of subjective.
You said it doesn't matter that people have different subjective religions, yours is the objectively correct one.
Okay, so you disproved all other religions??? When?

>>518723447
Man, why did he let me see behind it? Knowledge is pain.. i hate it here

>>518716729 (OP)
Why is he wearing a cross

>>518728336
>You said it doesn't matter that people have different subjective religions, yours is the objectively correct one.
where did i state this?

you are so very very confused.
let's regroup here.

you're conflating two distinct claims.
>people disagree about moral or religious claims (epistemological)
>whether those claims have objective truth value (ontological)
i have been constantly arguing for the latter and the former has no bearing on the latter.
"objective morality" (aka moral realism) is the idea that moral claims are either true or false regardless of what anyone believes.
just like mathematical truths. you can believe 2+2=5 under peano arithmetic but i'd say you'd be wrong. our disagreement doesn't erase reality.

>>518726090
i get that this is probably a deeply introspective and philosophy-driven thought process for you, but to me it's just kind of not that deep. "how do we know that truly is a tomato, that's like only society telling you it's a tomato; we need a God to confirm that's what it is." we know what is considered a good and evil act dictionarily or literally, and spiritually you can feel it too since we're typically raised to feel that way

>>518723886
>admitting that edgy atheism is a phase you outgrow

>>518728936
"if the world wasn't created then objective morality doesn't exist"
ah I see, I agree.
Reality wasn't created, and morals aren't onjective.
I agree with you 100% on this, bye.

>>518729818
>"if the world wasn't created then objective morality doesn't exist"
well, you absolutely mangled what i actually said,
but the rhetorical goal was to demonstrate that under atheism, moral realism (objective morality) can't exist,
and therefore under atheism, there's inherently nothing wrong with fucking your dead dog, because real right and wrong can't and wouldn't exist.
yiff in heck, necro-furfaggot.

>>518730357
I agree, morality doesn't need god.
reality isn't moral, nor is nature.
which you are a part of.
Have fun pooping, you dumb animal.

>>518716729 (OP)
nothing happens when you die, sorry if thats too scary for you

>>518716729 (OP)
Is the desert jewish Harry Potter book with magical wizardmen who cast alteration and self resurrecting spells somehow more believable?

every day I wake up and thank god for letting me rape babies all day, thanks god.
good thing god wants me to do that, and makes nobody stop me.
What a nice guy!

>>518730483
>I agree, morality doesn't need god.
i'm arguing the exact opposite. again,
>p1: if the universe was not created with intent (by a personal moral Creator) then objective moral values and duties do not exist.
>p2: if objective moral values do not exist, then no action or lifestyle can be inherently right or wrong.
>p3: if no action or lifestyle can be inherently right or wrong, then there is no moral distinction between altruistic professions (being a doctor) and other professions (being a cannibalistic rapist)
>c: therefore, atheism is icky

>>518730712
when you're in prison for this post, you should spend some time reading the gospel.
i'd recommend Mark first, it's the shortest and the most action-oriented.

>>518718733
>>518718376

>>518730499
Perhaps if that is the stance in life you adamantly take. Any given theology does not dictate the "afterlife" regardless though. You should consider that consciousness may transcend the three dimensions and in some form or another there is an experience post death which currently cannot be quantified or interacted with directly.

>>518732041
>which currently cannot be quantified or interacted with directly.
What's the basis for even thinking it exists then? I mean before we had electricity people would notice that your hair would stand up if you rub your hair on fur or something like that even if they didn't know what it was that was causing it.

>>518730865
>>518730722
how can you make posts like this back to back and not see anything wrong with your own espoused logic.
Either god is real and he's allowing evil, or he doesn't care, in which case he doesn't matter.

>>518731421
>DUNNING-KRUGER

>>518732041
hate to break it to you, but nobody has experienced death, and then came back to life.
People claiming to have seen heaven are either lying, or insane.

Your mind is a product of the brain, which rots when you die.
There is no escape for this natural process.

>>518732919
>what caused god?
>if god is real why do bad things happen?
really pulling out the big guns this thread.

are you actually interested in hearing my answer to the problem of evil, or would it just be a waste of time?

>>518733199
wow, anon solved the hard problem of consciousness.
your noble prize is in the mail.

>>518719048
I agree.

-God

>>518716729 (OP)
>yeh we’re just a bunch of special snowflakes who happen to have been given consciousness by a jewish god that somehow pre-existed the universe who cares more about what you do with your genitals than the immense suffering the world over, or literally ANYTHING ELSE in this universe.
>braise jeebus

>>518734202
Consciousness = the brain moron. Get over it.

>>518734699
whoa, what does it mean, its like your post made fun of mine but wasnt even responding to it. whoa.

-GOD

>>518734785
if consciousness is simply the brain, can you explain the mechanism by which electrochemical signals in the parietal lobe generate the subjective taste of chocolate or the feeling of love?

>>518735112
It’s within the brain. When you die, the brain dies and vice versa moron.

>>518735194
that doesn't answer my question.

>>518735311
Cope and seethe

>>518735445
yeah that's exactly what you're doing, but i'd rather you be honest about how little certainty we actually have when it comes to consciousness.

>>518735445
I guess you have no soul huh

Language and concepts cannot truly grasp reality because they are small pieces inside the whole. Reality is non-conceptual. Life is a concept, death is a concept, everything that one can imagine is a concept of some kind. There is no true answer to "why there is anything" because an answer would necessarily have to be a concept.

>>518736250
Just like that, there is no true answer to what happens after death because the whole thing is being discussed in ideas and concepts.

>>518716729 (OP)
Why doesn't God prove his existence without a shadow of a doubt to non believers? Does he WANT certain souls he manifest to burn in hell forever or something?

>>518736416
You can only imagine death in ideas and concepts that you experience during your life.

State after death cannot be expressed because that expression is completely constructed using ideas one got during life.

At the same time there will be no you to experience it. Maybe there was never "you" in the first place.

Even me explaining it is done in concepts and is thus automatically rendered not representative of reality. Metaphysics of any sort will never arrive to any satisfactory conclusion.

>>518732923
Yes. I know it's usually a point made by reddit midwits to other midwits but you really are just that stupid sorry. Evolution is basically undeniable in the same sense as gravity but you think it isn't. The only way this could be the case is you never bothered to even try and learn therefore you are at the peak of mount stupid.

>>518736250
postmodernist zen garbage.
the statement is self-refuting. you're using concepts to assert the inability of concepts to grasp reality. if the claim is true then the claim itself is untrustworthy.
while i agree that "a map is not the territory" this doesn't mean maps are useless. concepts are our tools for navigating reality.
the concept of atoms may not capture their full quantum weirdness but it allows us to build microchips. to dismiss all conceptual knowledge because it isn't absolute knowledge is a recipe for paralysis.
on the question of "why" you've set up a game you can't lose by defining any potential answer as invalid beforehand. but declaring "no true answer exists" is itself a conceptual answer about a non-conceptual reality, a move you've already ruled out.

>>518732661
Because the assumption that consciousness originates in the brain is purely hypothetical, rather it is processed and mapped there as far as can be said for certain. Science can influence decision making by stimulating certain parts of the brain which is separate from the dictation of thoughts as a whole. Does it still function without a consciousness? Yes see animals. You can all but completely destroy the brain yet you can never remove the consciousness processing ability, doing so would = death in terms we are familiar with.

>>518716729 (OP)
Because it's less ridiculous than believing an all powerful deity created the universe then sat back doing nothing until one day he randomly got mad at one tiny bronze age tribe in a tiny region of a massive planet because they were worshiping other gods and revealed himself to them and became super invested in their squabbles with other nearby tribes and yet somehow despite literally having God on their side they only ever managed to be a minor regional power for a couple hundred years, and then God had a son who is him but not him that he sent to earth for reasons so he could absolve humans of sin even though God could just do that by snapping his fingers and oh yeah he totally resurrected even though only a couple people saw it and for some reason nobody wrote about it until a hundred years later and then God basically fucked off....yeah that's right all the millions of religions are wrong but this one particular religion of ancient goatfuckers in a desert happens to be the absolute truth.

Fuck off.

>>518737000
>Yes. I know it's usually a point made by reddit midwits to other midwits
then you chose correctly

>>518735882
We understand enough to know it's the brain retard. We can even pinpoint which regions of the brain are responsible for each feature. Because we don't have a full understanding of the full process doesn't make it any less contained in your brain.
>>518737023
Animals are conscious you retard.

>>518737000
>Evolution is basically undeniable in the same sense as gravity
correct
you have no idea how out of your depth you are.

>>518733436
>are you really not going to listen to my special pleading thread for the millionth time?!?!
yep, don't care for the god of the gaps argument.
it's proof of nothing.

>>518716729 (OP)
Ain't that the truth.
I am monke.

>>518737243
Cognition =/= consciousness

>>518718407
You're a subhuman special needs retard freak and should be euthanised

>>518737383
>You're a subhuman special needs retard freak and should be euthanised
I'd love to see you try
The Institute of Strategic Dialog will be hacked
you name will be leaked
and you will live the rest of your short-ass life looking over your shoulder.
Reminder, shilling is a federal crime and in case you haven't noticed, we aren't fucking around anymore.

>>518737335
I agree, animals are conscious still.

>>518737255
i'd like you to define special pleading and point to where i used it.
>>518737243
>We can even pinpoint which regions of the brain are responsible for each feature.
you're describing correlations, not causation. neuroscience can map functions to brain regions, but it still can't explain why those functions feel like anything from the inside.

>>518737561
semantics

>>518737023
>consciousness originates in the brain is purely hypothetical
There are pretty good reasons to believe it does.
>Rather it is processed and mapped there as far as can be said for certain.
That means it exists in the brain that is what you just said here. A computer program is mapped to a hardrive and processed on a computer moving it makes a copy destroying the computer destroys the program.
>Science can influence decision making by stimulating certain parts of the brain which is separate from the dictation of thoughts as a whole.
So they can make you think a certain way but they can't control the difference between you thinking "I'm going to press the red button" and "I will press the red button" Okay there is a difference but I fail to see the functional difference.
>Does it still function without a consciousness? Yes see animals.
Animals are conscious?
>You can all but completely destroy the brain yet you can never remove the consciousness processing ability
But what basis do you have for believing that? This is just restating the thing I responded to originally.

>>518737000
Unconditional belief in theories is the epitome of stupidity, and the opposite of everything the people who created those theories stood for.

>>518716729 (OP)
>How can you honestly believe and live like this
That's what literally all the evidence suggests.

>>518737250
holy fuck you are stupid.

>>518737250
I don't think you know what you are talking about. You aren't as smart as you think you are.

>>518738213
>holy fuck you are stupid.
gg
>>518738301
>I don't think you know what you are talking about. You aren't as smart as you think you are.
gg

>>518737585
If nothing comes from nothing, then God cannot exist, because God is not nothing. If that premise is true that “nothing comes from nothing,” and if God is something, then you have just shot yourself in the foot.
- Dan Barker

>>518716729 (OP)
Creationist logic:
>I would like it if there was a god so it must be real
>if I don't know how something works it must be god
>if god didn't exist people would mindlessly murder each other all the time for no reason
>if god isn't real how come prayer works 1% of the time I do it

>>518738100
Evolution is a very well "proven" theory. Of course science doesn't actually prove anything it only disproves things. But the point is it is really really hard to disprove evolution and actually hasn't ever been done. So scientist confidently accept it as fact.

>>518738358
You are either a bot or genuinely completely lost to epistemic rot.

>>518738500
you lost

>>518738503
>Evolution is a very well "proven" theory.
so produce the evidence.,
>>518738622
>You are either a bot or genuinely completely lost to epistemic rot.
if I'm a bot you're getting btfo'd by a bot
bitch ass nigger.

>>518738665
>if lots of people say something it must be real

>>518738712
three spined stickleback studies, studies on fruit flies, studies on bacteria getting resistant to greater and greater concentrations of anti bacterial.
The fossil record, computer simulations of natural selection.
Go read a book you fucking retard.

>>518738489
>Dan Barker
i just listened to the debate he did with mike jones yesterday or the day before and that guy's a retard and you should feel embarrassed for quoting that boy molesting fruit.
it's also just a dumbass quote since God didn't "come from" anywhere.

>>518737767
If you're willing to entertain hypotheticals as fact then you are equally as faith based as a religious zealot.

Yes but what drives a computer to compute, cognizant electricity?

Because people have had half of their brains removed from traumatic injury including severe damage to the frontal cortex with zero discernible psychological impairments while motor function is affected. It's hard for me to explain but try to think of consciousness as a physical thing which can exist independently should it have had sufficient time to mature. So long as you are technically living afterwards you can never regress it to the state of a retard. You can become a vegetable but that is the result of vital cognitive functions being disabled due to near brain death, not the inability to no longer process things.

>>518736541
you are conflating the god of religions with actual god, heaven and hell dont exist within real god so there is nothing to save anyone from

>>518738712
>so produce the evidence
The fossil record is a pretty good one. Also the way similar species have simmilar traits.
>if I'm a bot you're getting btfo'd by a bot
>bitch ass nigger.
This reality doesn't actually exist anywhere but in your head. Hence we don't have a shared reality anymore. The rot is terminal.

>>518739072
right, because your god exists in your mind. It doesn't need a cause because it's right there.
Good for you man.
You have faith, I have reason.
You have faith, I have logic.
You have dogma, I have philosophy.
You have religion, I have the scientific method.
You live in my world.

>>518739580
>your god exists in your mind
whatever retard.
here's what i was referring to about the dan barker thing though:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9SIG0NMHQBg
1:08:43
MJ: Um, have you ever read a book called When Children Became People by Owen Bakke?
DB: Uh, no, I haven't read that.
MJ: Okay. So, let's just say we're back in the ancient Greco Roman world. And he notes in this book and other historians like John Martins has noted this as well that it was a good human value to um have PDF interaction with boys that that was important for them and they would have said that was a that's a very common human value. In fact, Bruce Ry documents in his paper that was a very common value throughout the world in Southeast Asia, in Africa, in the Americas even to actually engage in that type of behavior with children until until Western missionaries showed up and put an end to that kind of stuff. So, could we say it's a human value to be engaging in that kind of aspect considering it was pretty ubiquitous about human cultures outside of Christianity?
DB: (lisping gay voice) well, ask the boys. ;)

>>518739072
Also lmao at attacking the source instantly instead of addressing the argument. You didn't even attempt it.
Admirable arrogance, almost.

>>518739078
>If you're willing to entertain hypotheticals as fact then you are equally as faith based as a religious zealot.
I'm not. There are reasons to believe that the consciousness originates in the brain.
>You can become a vegetable but that is the result of vital cognitive functions being disabled due to near brain death, not the inability to no longer process things.
That isn't very convincing. Basically yes brain damage affects consciousness but somehow it will work later when your brain is completely dead? Or do you think people with down syndrome or Alzheimer's are like a prisoner in their own mind?

>>518738910
you lost

>>518739736
i did address the argument, i pointed out the homosexual pederast you quoted didn't understand the God of classical theism is a necessary being and not a contingent one that "comes from" somewhere.

>>518738951
>le microevolution
>>518739094
>The fossil record is a pretty good one.
so produce it, you can't.

>>518717751
No Christians dont view Jesus as a prophet, but a God in the living flesh. His power was granted to him by his own authority. You are thinking of muslims that believe him to be a prophet.

>>518739886
>the God of classical theism is a necessary being and not a contingent one that "comes from" somewhere.
this is textbook special pleading.
I'm not wasting anymore time in this thread.

>>518716729 (OP)
>Space daddy Made existance In 7 days because reasons and Its watching us 24/7 to see If we masturbate
Everyone Is pathetic If you ask me

>>518740240
>this is textbook special pleading.
it's not though.
all necessary beings (numbers, logical laws, geometric truths, God) all share the property of not being caused or contingent.
>I'm not wasting anymore time in this thread.
yeah, run away. pussy.

>>518739913
>>le microevolution
Micro evolution and macro evolution are the exact same thing.
>so produce it, you can't
What do you mean produce it? It's a collection of information if you accept that we can carbon date things and that geologist can calculate the age of sediment layers then the fossil record is the chronological arrangement of every fossil that's ever been found and you can see the progression of evolution through that. Like why does every mamal have the same bone structures like in picrel?>>5187390948xvx4

>>518740584
I meant this >>518739094

>>518716729 (OP)
You call that guy a atheist when he has a cross on his neck

>>518740584
>Micro evolution and macro evolution are the exact same thing.
No they aren't.
Micro evolution is tiny adaptations that are provably.
Macro evolution is a retarded theory created by literal satanic freemasons where random alterations in DNA somehow create new structures which has never been proven and isn't borne out by the fossil record.
>What do you mean produce it?
pic rel

>>518739846
Alzheimer's only affects the brain's ability to process consciousness because it is a genetic disease affecting the "steering wheel" so to speak. It's making 1 + 1 = 3 but you are still the same person and many have brief lapses of perfect clarity. Down syndrome and other physical brain deformities are from birth. Those afflicted we're never equipped with the tools to properly process and refine their consciousness and as such it is a chaotic mess. I'm not claiming to be correct it's just worth considering that perhaps some aspects to life are not quantifiable anatomically.

>>518740651
>my evidence for evolution is a cartoon
compelling.

>>518716729 (OP)
reality exists with or without your belief
it's not a matter of choice you caveman

>>518716729 (OP)
They have their motives

>>518740792
>No they aren't.
The only difference is timescale. Micro evolution over millions of years is macro evolution. It is the same mechanism.
>Macro evolution is a retarded theory created by literal satanic freemasons
Lmao. Epistemic rot.
>pic rel
You can't really claim this when half of the shit you type is nonsense.

>>518719312
Who gives a fuck what kikes do. They are obviously an evil and subversive group. You don't even need to be Christian to recognize that. Even most Far East pagans can tell that jews are subversive and muslims are violent colonizers.

>>518740806
> I'm not claiming to be correct
So this is just dude weed armchair theory. I don't see why I should believe it if everything we know makes it seems like consciousness is generated by the brain itself. I'm not buying the brain radio thing.
>>518740833
That is real though. Bats, humans, and other animals share similar structures like this. How can you explain that without the fact that we all share a common ancestor?

>>518726561
Based.

May the Lord deliver us from evil.

>>518740584
No micro evolution has nothing to do with macro evolution. All it encompasses is very small. It only focuses on the passing of traits from parent to offspring.
Macro evolution focuses on genetic mutations over millions and billions of years. Macro evolution states that rocks turned into organisms and these organisms started mutating to different creatures. We have observed ZERO creatures transforming into new kinds of creatures. A caterpillar always turns into a butterfly, it has never shown to turn into a dog. Then you have completely fabricated transitory fossils that are said to be the in between of the older and newer kind of animal. Take for example homosapien, archeologists have created about 20-30 different missing links between human and monkey. You cant prove that these fossils were even the creatures depicted because there has never been a single complete fossil of any of these missing links and even if one gets a complete fossil it would not matter. As you can see in real life when a horse and a mule fuck they create a genetic dead end. The donkey created can't reproduce. And another thing that cant be proven by a fossil is whether it had a mate or that it mated successfully to produce offspring or that the offspring it created was able to produce. Fossils don't come with proof of mating, they are just proof that something died.
>>518740444
Mexicant doesn't even understand his own history God created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th.

>>518741054
>The only difference is timescale
no it's not
the difference is RANDOM alterations in the genetic code somehow created new structures, which is not possible, has ZERO evidential basis, and is supported--entirely--by handwaving from anti-Christ kikes like yourself.
you have no fossil record that supports evolution, you have no coherent explanation for how the insanely complicated work of genetics can be randomly altered to create new structures see >>>/gif/29617867 and >>>/gif/29617881
and even biologists admit they need a new theory.
Your entire shitshow of a science was propped up by well-documented lies by people specifically motivated by a desire to create a secular explanation for creation that ushered in the clownworld we are not immersed in. see >>518718276

>>518741054
Charles Darwin the inventor of the theory of evolution was a card carrying 33rd degree freemason. To be a registered member for 33rd degree freemasonry. You have to pledge an oath to Satan. You can look all of these things up online.

>>518741616
>May the Lord deliver us from evil.
amen

>>518741469
>That is real though.
no it's a cartoon
> Bats, humans, and other animals share similar structures like this.
k
>How can you explain that without the fact that we all share a common ancestor?
we don't share a common ancestor
we share the same Designer.

>>518741366
>Who gives a fuck what kikes do.
Me
> They are obviously an evil and subversive group.
yes you are.
> You don't even need to be Christian to recognize that.
seems like you do.
>Even most Far East pagans can tell that jews are subversive and muslims are violent colonizers.
k

>>518741469
>intentionality, qualia, unified self-awareness, NDEs
it's not that cut and dry.
dismissing out of hand plausible alternatives because they don't mesh well with your reddit scientism isn't very intellectually rigorous.

>>518740502
you have no proof of anything.
You have no reason to say "ummm the universe needs a cause, also it's god from the christian religion"
I've gave you many many many times to substantiate any of those claims, but you state it doesn't need substantiation.
Yes it does.
It does because extreme claims require extreme evidence.
Much like how if I stated that the world will 100% explode tomorrow you can not disprove me, however there would be no cause for alarm.
I think you already know this though, and simply want an "internet win" or something.
I don't care.
I'll agree to disagree.
Call me whatever other names you want, have your last jab.

>>518742148
>universe
lol
grow up you fucking baby-brained retard.

>>518741469
Energy is being converted into critical thought and ideas and that energy has a mass despite being infinitesimally small, it is there and being converted into something and we can measure and weigh that energy expenditure. What is being created exactly is unknown as we cannot measure or quantify the product, we only perceive it as thought. We're both using energy to form these arguments yet what of the physical product? You see something is being created which cannot be seen nor weighed within the three dimensions we can perceive.

There is no God you idol worshippers.

Here is my testimony as a new born christian.

God is real, and so is the Christ.
He saved me from my darkest time ever, like a shining light he shine himself upon my soul while I was at my lowest. He showed me another way, a way of grace and love. Jesus loves us so much, and suffered immense pain, mostly pain in his soul, for he knew how many would hate and deny him, because he knew their souls would be destroyed in hell.

Look at humanity, look at us, how evil, rotten and disgusting we all are, there is not one person on this earth that could even come close to what Jesus was.
But all we have to do is believe in him, and accept is free gift of his sacrifice.

Jesus helped me stop watching porn, helped me to stop being greedy and evil in thought. The holy spirit is shining like a bright beautiful light in my soul right now. He still works wonders to this day, and I love him with all my heart and soul and mind. Nothing comes before him. Of course I still sin, but the despair is gone, there is hope and love in my heart now and I wish this upon every person on this planet. Amen.

>>518742366
>new born christian
lmao

>>518740502
numbers, logic, and geometry all can be demonstrated.
God can't, and especially the concept of god that you claim... Demonstrate it? no?

>>518742148
>You have no reason to say "ummm the universe needs a cause, also it's god from the christian religion"
i do, but pick a new antichristian thread for us to migrate to if you want to hear it.
this thread's about to 404.
>I've gave you many many many times to substantiate any of those claims
i don't remember being pressed in this thread to provide evidence for theism at all.
i was shitting on atheism and atheists who don't understand moral ontology for 90% of it.
>extreme claims require extreme evidence.
this isn't an inviolable law of logic, it's a slogan carl sagan made up.
all claims just require sufficient evidence.

>>518742366
Blessed are those who struggle. God loves you. Stay wise.

>>518741643
>Macro evolution states that rocks turned into organisms
That is abiogenesis. Remember when you called me reddit for posting the dunning kruger thing.
>No micro evolution has nothing to do with macro evolution
I'm saying it is the same mechanism.
>Then you have completely fabricated transitory fossils
Why are you even responding to me if you were going to reject the evidence anyway?
>As you can see in real life when a horse and a mule
It should be weird to you that they can even mate in the first place.

I could just post pictures of the skulls of the missing links and you can tell me whether its a monkey or a human

>>518742212
that's it? what a fucking fart in the wind you are.

>>518742501
2+2 = 5

>>518742535
you provide nothing again! Why would I continue wasting my time with you???

>>518742580
Abiogenesis is deeply connected to the theory of evolution. To say that aren't related is entirely misleading.

>>518742637
the religious thinker everyone!

>>518741961
>>That is real though.
>no it's a cartoon
Saying it is a cartoon doesn't make it not real.
Are you going to say this image is fake too?
>> Bats, humans, and other animals share similar structures like this.
>k
Answer the question. How is this possible without us having a common ancestor?

>>518742535
>new antichristian thread
massive new investment in 'social media influencing' by the kikes
so there will be dozens.

>>518742759
Numbers are just agreed upon values. They do not exist in the physical plane of existence.

>>518742747
it's a completely different field of study in science.
And it IS unrelated.

>>518741961
>we don't share a common ancestor
>we share the same Designer.
That's putting the conclusion before the evidence.

>>518742772
>Saying it is a cartoon doesn't make it not real.
yes cartoons aren't real.
>Are you going to say this image is fake too?
no
I'm going to claim it doesn't prove evolution because it doesn't.
>Answer the question. How is this possible without us having a common ancestor?
I did
see >>518741961
>we don't share a common ancestor
>we share the same Designer.

>>518742501
demonstrability isn't hte sole criterion for necessity.
numbers, logic, and geometry are necessary because they can't not exist. they're true in all possible worlds.
God, in classical theism, is defined similarly, a necessary being whose nonexistence is impossible. the difference is the mathematical truths are descriptives, while God is posited as ontologically foundational. you can't 'demonstrate' necessity in the empirical sense, it's a metaphysical claim and not a lab experiment.

can you empirically demonstrate the number 7? or the law of non-contradiction? these aren't physical objects, they're necessary truths. why treat God differently if the claim is about necessity and not contingency?
>>518742690
i addressed 3 things you brought up.
pick a new thread for us to migrate to.

>>518742827
Ok so why did you ignore the part where i said that a creature turns into a new kind of creature? Why did you nitpick abiogenesis and glide over transitory fossils. Why are you unable to show me any myriad of animals turning into entirely different and new animals. Your theory lacks evidence and it demands a verdict.

>>518742366
may you be blessed with a big tittied gf

UMMMMMMMMMM near-death experiences o algo

>>518742851
>>Saying it is a cartoon doesn't make it not real.
>yes cartoons aren't real.
>>Are you going to say this image is fake too?
>no
Retarded reddit argument. An illustration of a real thing is not a fake thing.
>I did
See >>518742847
You already assumed God is real and fit that evidence into your preconceived notions about the world. Thats putting the cart before the horse. Really though is you combine that fact with the fossil record you get evidence for evolution not creation.

>>518742747
But macroevolution is not abiogenesis. No one who knew at least a little about evolution would mistake the two. Which is why I think you are at the peak of Mt. Stupid in dunning kruger terms. It wasn't just a cheap reddit gotcha throwaway phrase. You really are unaware of how much you don't know.

>>518743414
reddit is scienctism faggot
>>518742847
>That's putting the conclusion before the evidence.
no it's not
see e.g. you've presented literally zero evidence.
>You already assumed God is real and fit that evidence into your preconceived notions about the world.
No I didn't, I was an atheist for 35 years until the overwhelming evidence of a Creator finally got through my thick secular skull.
>Thats putting the cart before the horse
you have presented ZERO evidence.
>Which is why I think you are at the peak of Mt. Stupid in dunning kruger terms.
You don't have thoughts, you're a shill.
>dunning kruger
lol THE reddit argument.

>>518743112
Because what you wrote was garbage and just wrong. The only thing you really said was you don't think transition fossils are evidence.

>>518743414
>Really though is you combine that fact with the fossil record
Produce it
you can't.
see >>>/gif/29618100

>>518743811
>you don't think transition fossils are evidence.
produce them

>>518743719
>>518743829
>reddit is scienctism faggot
Why are you using retarded reddit arguments. "But actually :nerd emoji: that's a cartoon"
> I was an atheist
You weren't a good atheist then. I bet you were one of those retarded blind science worshipers that didn't understand why they believe what they believe. Probably most of your beliefs come from feels.
>you have presented ZERO evidence.
You are ignoring it.
>dunning kruger
>lol THE reddit argument.
>Tucker Carlson
You've got to be fucking kidding me.

>>518725361
>>518743719
God bless you, sir.
learning that most things are fake are what drove me to delve into the bible in the first place. I've always known God, but never really the story except for what is taught. WOW is it not like what people say it is.
>>518744377
You're a freemason, aren't you?

>>518744103
>>518744446
>You're a freemason, aren't you?
Yes, hail Satan.

>>518744587
>Yes, hail Satan.
like every proponent of Evolution

>>518744587
that's a white man skull, a black man skull, and a nephlim skull.

>>518716729 (OP)
>>518716729 (OP)
>>518716729 (OP)
Reminder that the "no tail" posts are made by VPN niggers of a troon squad from iDrama and Valent Projects cuckademics to normalize furfag degeneracy across the board.
You're welcome.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518123762/#518129824
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518281658/#518287969
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518256371/#518256990

>>518744446
>learning that most things are fake are what drove me to delve into the bible in the first place. I've always known God, but never really the story except for what is taught. WOW is it not like what people say it is.
the second I accepted Flat Earth, I heard a voice in my head, clear as day, ask me, what book told you that 20 years ago.
vid rel is the exact book it was referring to.

>>518744446
>God bless you, sir.
God bless you my Brother in Christ
until we meet again battling for forces of evil in the next anti-christ thread.

>>518744672
Insane
>>518744719
>Flat earther
Not surprised.