Thread 518745864

There is nothing wrong with UBI. UBI has always been the basic condition of human civilization. It's boomers thinking they survived through some kind of special Bio hazard Delta force survival game. They didn't. Actually boomers were the most comfy people that ever lived. UBI is just going back to the normal ways instead of this constant Keynesian MMT war economy. Everyone needs to just exist for the sake of existing but in order for you to procreate you need to do the extra. This was the rule. Boomers ruined it. UBI is the sanity. Anti-UBI is the absolute retarded tranny 68' revolt shit.

>>518745864 (OP)
UBI already exists.
It's called "welfare."
UBI should not exist.

Subsidy is dysgenic. Every nation that decays has some form of it.

after careful consideration UBI is no different to a flashbang to a majority of whites.

but if we give people more money then money will become worthless

>money printer go brrrrrrr
Surely nothing could go wrong.

>>518745989
It's not actually subsidy. They decided that they own the entire earth so UBI is just tax payback so that plebs can exist so that they still have playtoys.

Eugenics is fucking paedophile and jewish+feminist+pedo idea though.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1131282/The-Hollywood-Baby-Snatcher-The-sinister-story-woman-stole-children-sold-stars.html

She developed her own theories on society. In eugenic language which would be echoed to infamous effect in Nazi Germany, she described wealthy people as 'of the higher type'.

She considered the poverty stricken young women left in poverty by the Depression as 'breeders', privately referring to them as 'cows'. She argued that poor people were incapable of proper parenting.

After getting a job at the Mississippi Children's Home-Finding Society, she began to translate her beliefs into action.

At the time, adoption was uncommon in the USA. Tann would change that.

At first, she simply placed orphans for adoption. But soon, she realised she could make money by charging hefty fees to couples desperate to become parents.

>>518746000
That's the point. It only benefits white population majorly and some sort of East Asians who got tangled up in some kind of financial scheme. All kinds of brown people have been benefiting from it for more than 80 years now. Wake the fuck up. White people need free money and there's no shame in it. Zero

>>518746042
>but if we
Incorrect.
If we give money to worthless people, those people will remain worthless.
Do not invert cause and effect in this manner, regardless of the effect on the supply of money.
The goal of welfare is to support those that will be of worth later, not to support those that will never be of worth. It is, or at least should be, a nation's self investment.
Charity, on the other hand...is a scam.

>>518746383
you do know the whites argument against UBI is "i wont feel special" and "china" right?

>>518746435
>If we give money to worthless people
Is this why we bail out banks and 'too big to fail' corporations in 2008?

UBI should only be acceptable for people whose entire family, mother and father side, existed in the nation before 1965.

anyways whites lose a lot of identity for money, but theyre already losing identity for money. youre just twisting their little goy arm to go out with a bang.

>>518745864 (OP)
Hello Korean doro poster.

>>518746669
And welfare for niggers and their niglets. Don't forget about the niggers.
Wait, are you agreeing with me, or trying to paint that as a separate thing entirely?

>>518745864 (OP)
>There is nothing wrong with UBI.
Fast track inflation

>>518746793

Bitcoin UBI is the model.

Wow sleepy time. Zzzzz

>>518746754
niggers and bankers already get welfare, I don't get your point
the bankers who own you will never not get welfare so the only logical solution is to give everyone welfare, not cut it from everyone except bankers

>>518745864 (OP)
UBI should not exist because it undermines the value of labor. The largest contributing factor for why the economy is so shit is because it was restructured, by turning the dollar into a debt backed currency, to redistribute as much wealth from the taxpaying populace as humanly possible in order to fund welfare programs. Every single economic problem in this country from the dollar, to the housing costs, to the cost of groceries is a second or third order effect of FDR era socialist claptrap.

>>518746905
crypto will never be ubi but ubi will definitely be crypto

>>518747037
>welfare undermines labor costs
this, so much this

>>518747037
you do understand food stamps was so effective theres house stamps now right? like youre in this reality now.

>>518745864 (OP)
Wrong.
It's parasitic.
Domestication is parasitic.
Once upon a time, if you could not pull your weight, you got booted.

>>518745864 (OP)
TAX the RICH....The workers are the only ones that get TAXED the rich hide theirs off shore

The less tax you bring in the more debt you make to pay for all the public services like the police, army and so on why the USA is in so much DEBT, they got lied to that TAXES was bad for the rich.....

The more you borrow the less you get because of the interest payments..

USA people have been lied to...1950s was called your HAPPY DAYS and they was the time when the people of the USA was TAXED the most yet they was known as the HAPPY DAYS..

Your RICH JEWS wanted more money so destroyed taxing PROFITS...

If borrowing without paying interest was fine then why do we even pay taxes at all, just borrow it on the NEVER NEVER,,

>>518745957
UBI would go to working whites instead of only immigrants and neets like today.

>>518745864 (OP)
why should the government feed useless people?
these useless people will create more useless people and then you have to pay even more UBI.
eventually you reach hyperinflation and everything collapses anyway.

>>518746250
>It's not actually subsidy. They decided that they own the entire earth so UBI is just tax payback so that plebs can exist so that they still have playtoys.

Yes, it literally is. Boomers, however, were elevated to an economic class well above they're qualified for. A middle class is bloat for a healthy nation.

>Eugenics is fucking paedophile and jewish+feminist+pedo idea though.

No, it isn't. This baby snatcher was resentful and had a misfire in her brain to think wealth or beauty necessarily translates to good genes. Instead of a snatching business, she should set up an abortion clinic in poverty stricken areas. Even Nazis aren't eugenic.

>>518747340
the "working" people are also useless eaters and if they arent already they will be soon thanks to AI technology.

1930 food stamp
1970 house stamp
yeah man youre trying to help retarded white people here

>>518746042
>but if we give people more money then money will become worthless
people are already given money. the bank prints it. its just to certain people (investors, bankers) as opposed to everyone

>>518747320

Once upon a time slavery meant a roof over your head, some food and a guaranteed job.

What was wrong with that?

Who needs disposable income?

>>518745864 (OP)
>the basic condition of human civilization.
The basic condition of human civilization, until conflict between different groups of different technological levels enforces an aristocracy, is gyno-gerontocratic democracy, or primitive communism. This state of civilization holds back human improvement, and appealing to it is just an appeal to tradition. Read Selective Breeding and the Birth of Philosophy.

>>518747342

Not if you educate the women.

>>518747014
>except
Why the FUCK would you read an "except" where it was explicitly absent?

>>518747576
So you're saying most printed money only go to bankers and investors at the expense of everyone else? What's this system called?

>>518747711
you mean sterilize.
UBI should come with the condition that you get sterilized.

>>518745957
>>518746042
Shalom

>>518747715
the people who decide who gets welfare won't ever cut welfare from themselves you dumb migger

>>518747212
And who paid for those stamps? And where does the government get the houses? And finally: who are the primary recipients of those stamps?
In the context of the US, welfare is wealth redistribution from the hands of working class whites into the hands of niggers, spics, and other assorted illegals. Is it fucking "effective" for (You) to pay two thirds of your gross wages every year between ordinances, different kinds of sales tax, city taxes, etc. in addition to income tax? If shitstamps and other forms of welfare didn't exist, you would have the same wealth as if you were being paid 33%-40% more at bare minimum, as high 80% more at most. Stop advocating for the government to steal from you, especially don't do that when they steal from you to pay for shit that hurts you.
>>518747182
>vidrel
I wonder how he'd feel about the past few decades where they've been getting full benefits?

>>518747055
FUCK CRYPTO....DRUNKEN SAYLOR will be your new MASTER...idiot saylor with his diamond hands..

Also the CRAFTY CANCER JEWS code most of these crypto scams...NEVER TRUST THE JEWS.

CANCER JEWS ARE BAD,,,CRYPTO RAT CANCER JEWS want to control you GOYS with FAKE NON INSTRINSIC VALUE TICKETS..

>>518747037
UBI and the creation of money has nothing to do with labor.
The creation of money currently is by fractional reserve banking meaning the bank creates the money by someone taking out a loan and incurring compounding interest. The banker, lender, or investor didn't work to create that money. That money is simply assigned value by people working for it.

>>518747796
this also the only way this could ever work.
and its not that bad of a deal.
get your nuts cut off/womb sealed with superglue in exchange for a lifetime of UBI.

>>518747850
>niggers earned their keep with BBC
>>518747872
crypto isnt even a loan youre literally buying it

>>518745864 (OP)
make robots do all the work indians and Mexicans do so we can get rid of them. everyone gets to enjoy life and get a check for enough to live in a place and have an ok life. then if you want extra you gotta work doing something

>>518746042
money is exchange for value. as long as we can provide some value the money will be worth something. when we don't provide value anymore the'll be just ration notes.

>>518747944
But that's not how wages are determined and if you read the rest of my post you'd understand I already referenced what you just said.

>>518747664
Voluntary selling oneself into roman-style slavery (with an additional sterilization prerequisite) in return for requirements that your purchaser cover basic necessities much like in a prison should be legal for all adults

>>518748003
>money is exchange for value, that's why we can print it out of thin air

probably the most crypto and UBI has in common is that anybody would have access to it. except crypto is clearly a scam so it has a point but infinite growth is infinite which is pointless

>>518747994
>make robots do all the work
then why should you get paid for the work a robot does that belongs to some corporation?
as soon as that robot does your job you are a useless eater, as useless as these jeets and the only logical move here is to get rid of you. so you free up the land, stop consuming resources and stop spreading your genes by creating more useless eaters.
its more likely that you will see a concentration camp instead of UBI.

>>518748043
It has everything to do with how wages and prices are determined because creating money increases the supply, and labor like commodities operate on supply and demand.

>>518748044
Labour isn’t part of the deal. Of birth pang or toil.

Completely separate issue which will resolve when you let people pursue self-actualisation

>>518745957
>It's called "welfare.".

Correct and TRUMP has had the most welfare from his FAKE PANDEMIC that he did for the CANCER JEWS were TRUMP STOLE 2 TRILLION DOLLARS then give his own family BILIIONS upon BILLIONS of the PUBLIC 'S MONEY AKA WELFARE...
Or would you like to say no its not called welfare what TRUMP did its called THEFT OF THE PUBLIC'S MONEY and should be in jail for it..

TRUMP DESTROYED YOUR COUNTRY IJ AFAKE PANDEMIC and he did all this for the CANCER JEWS...

TRUMP IS A RAT CANCER JEW ASS LICKER.

>>518748053
government (your rulers) decides if you're valuable or not, ultimately. the buck stops with them

i cant talk value with whites man i give up you have to rob these people blind because theyre blind. let them cry over it. just get your hands dirty.

>>518745864 (OP)
NO UBI....BE BETTER IF YOU STOPPED THE CORRUPTION IN OUR GOVERNMENT by our own corrupt leaders..

TELL EVERYONE THE CANCER JEWS are the CANCER OF THE EARTH...

NEVER EVER TRUST A CANCER JEW..JEWS ARE THE CANCER OF THE EARTH..

>>518748512
>JEWS ARE THE CANCER OF THE EARTH
actually thats all humans in general not just jews.

I still don't get what the point of UBI even is. You want me to pay myself my own money? Why bother?

>>518747826
>be me
>call welfare UBI
>say it shouldn't exist
>get called a jew
How strange. What breed of commie jew are you? By the way, the commie part is irrelevant to the discussion.

>>518748626
government gives you money to make other people slaves, personally i love this idea.

>>518747827
So you agree with me, but disagree with the fact that I said it? What?
Are you paying attention to what you typed?

>>518748681
welfare and UBI are symptoms of overpopulation. there are too many people that are not needed and these payments keep them quiet.

>>518748626
UBI makes sense as an issuance algorithm or a replacement to fractional reserve banking.
It replaces exponential inflation (compounding interest) with a linear function ($x amount for every n citizen).

>>518748846

Oh a quant

>>518748820
ubi in america is just shoving all the problems wrong with capitalism onto other countries.

>>518747994
>everyone gets to enjoy life and get a check for enough to live in a place and have an ok life
you exist to work, not to enjoy life. apart from whatever nonsense fantasy you believe in, it always comes down to you working for your masters. at group level that's what it's all about. the rest is stupid shit you tell yourself to get you through it. once you're not useful anymore it can only end one way. always happened that way with humans.
for example see >>518748820
>welfare and UBI are symptoms of overpopulation
that's how your masters will see you, as bloat, once you're not useful to them. why would they pay you? as in give you resources and spend resources on everything needed to support your happy life?

>>518748820
Underutilization is not overpopulation.
The government refusing to pursue government interests while permitting the public sector to export itself is the cause.

idk whats so hard about using ubi to make amazon terrorize the rest of the world.

>>518748268
so did every president. he's just the orange on top.

>>518748995
yes the world is overpopulated and these current population numbers need to be drastically reduced.
100 million humans worldwide should be the absolute maximum.

>>518745864 (OP)
Schizos are out in full force today

>>518749158
>supposed German commits to the category error
It's almost like...
Nah, couldn't be. That would be completely wrong! Who the fuck would willingly fail at larping as a German?

ubi to amazon would REDEEM apples abandonment and sequential death

>>518747037
Labor doesn't have value anymore, it's either slavery or automation now.

WHERE HAS THE FAILURE GONE

>>518745957
>welfare
If you’re a healthy white person who can’t find work, the government will absolutely let you starve to death. Generally speaking, everyone can find some level of employment to prevent starvation. But there is no mechanism to prevent a scenario wherein you can’t make money (or enough money) and end up homeless and starving to death. We just haven’t reached a point where mass unemployment and zero wealth distribution in the lowest strata leads to starvation, but it’s theoretically possible.

>>518749955
>THIS IS A GOVERNMENT ISSUE!!1111!
Hello. The Church called. They asked if you would donate to the food bank.
Do I need to explain this shit to you in excruciating detail for you to pick it up?

>>518745957
>welfare
>universal

>>518750614
Oh look, a retard that can't into mild abstraction.
I assure you, that very simple chain of logic that you are rejecting out of hand due to a refusal to adhere to your buzzword acronym is quite easy to follow.
The point is the U doesn't make it a good thing. Welcome to communication, population not you.