Thread 518790607

Tariff war has officially begun

>>518790607 (OP)
This means the end of US dollar as global reserve currency. Which Trump previously said would start WW3.

>>518790607 (OP)
As if. Trump will murderpost for a while, his klan will insider trade on it, crypto leeches will suicide, a compromise will be found early next month, and that will be all.

>>518790607 (OP)
I want the tariffs between china and the united states to be infinite. I want a total ban on all trade with china.

>>518790607 (OP)
Walmart closing soon

>stopped buying basedbeans
Xi has no cards to play

>>518790938
Shartmart*

>>518790607 (OP)
Make it 1000% make it 10,000,000%
There is never too high of a cost to MAGA

>TARIFFS
>NO U
>NO U
>NO U
holy shit he's a genius

>>518790607 (OP)
war it is then, better start shooting democrats as they are owned by china.

>>518791042
Nope, Xi tried to pressure uninvolved countries to not sell rare earth's to USA
Xi dun goof'd

>>518790607 (OP)

But wait, if tariffs are just a tax on consumers in the country applying them, then why would China think that applying a tax on their own citizens would do anything to retaliate? And why would they care about the extra tariffs in the first place? Or has the media been lying about this the whole time?

>>518790607 (OP)
A week ago, China sent a letter to every country in the world, requiring Chinese government approval of every country's sales to every other country, where the sale involves anything that has even the smallest amount of China-produced subcomponents.

In effect, China is waging economic war on the entire world all at once. America's response of applying 100% tariffs is, in effect, the combined voice of the world pushing back against China.

>>518790899
>I want to dictate how people live

>>518790811
>Which Trump previously threatened would start WW3.
fify

>>518790951
A complete hegemony over certain essential resources, you dumb kike.

>>518791457
China is doing this because of US fuckery, you dumb shitskin

>>518790607 (OP)
China manufactures cheap slop that can be made anywhere. They can't innovate.
The entire world has an incentive to cut out the Chinese middleman ruining everyone's economies. No one can do without American technology.

>>518790811
Biden is the antichrist. What you need to understand is Trump HAS to deliver the world to Satan and usher in 10000 years of darkness and agony because of him

>>518790607 (OP)
These chinks DONT FUCKING GET IT. Reduce the trade deficit to $0 billion and there will be no tariffs. Problem solved. But noooooo….
>AIIIIYO CHING CHONG PING PONG I TALIFF YOU STUFFA NO WAN BUYA ANYWAYA

>>518790607 (OP)
1. Woe to the defrauders.

2. Those who, when they take a measure from people, they take in full.

3. But when they measure or weigh to others, they cheat.

4. Do these not know that they will be resurrected?

5. For a Great Day?

6. The Day when mankind will stand before the Lord of the Worlds?

7. Not at all. The record of the wicked is in Sijjeen.

8. But how can you know what Sijjeen is?

9. A numerical book.

Quran 83:1-9
Surah al-Muttaffifin
"The Defrauders"

>>518791614
No YOURE dumb. How’d that work out for China and its chip industry? China doesn’t purchase anything from the USA, that’s the whole point of American tariffs. So China is going to tariff shit it doesn’t buy? What’s 100% x 0 you stupid blockhead?

>>518791579
>I don't know what government means

>>518791699
>chink leaf
No, China was always going to try to do this. That's why the US reshoring and focusing on building up our own Rare Earth supply is paramount.

>>518791699
USA is not fucking around, the point is to reduce the trade deficit because USA is getting ripped off by everyone else who has free access to our consumer market while preventing us from accessing theirs.

China is the one pulling fuckery. They know they have a huge trade surplus with the US and they refuse to be a good trade partner for some reason (ie they want to surpass the US and then kick us around because they know all they have to do is buy off a few kike politicians)

>>518792027
>US still has no access to rare earths
>Now all its steel is more expensive
I don't see how this harms China, America is still going to be forced to buy Chinese.

>>518791614
>complete hegemony over certain essential resources
China can do with their REE whatever they want.
>Blackmailing other countries
Xi is playing dumb games, now he is getting what he deserves >>518791222

>>518790607 (OP)
Chinks about to release another bioweapon like the last time the US bttfo in trade, buy them deenz fellow non subhumans.

>>518792412
And getting what he deserves is Americans pay more for goods in China but are still forced to consume them because nobody else has the production volume?

>>518792553
>forced to consume
I don't own anything made in chyna, cope NPC slop lover.

>>518792382
China has developed rare earths mines but that doesn’t mean they can’t be built elsewhere. Just like preventing China from getting semiconductors didn’t stop them from developing their own chips very rapidly. USA used to have a vast steel manufacturing presence and if we did it before we can do it again.

>>518792553
>just let China continue to hold us by the balls instead of let market forces reshore all those “essential” industries
Temporary pain, long term gain. Only Jews are against tariffs.

we have seen this episode before tho

>>518792845
Do you own anything made of injection molded plastic? Do you own anything made of steel? Do you own anything that was shipped in a large container ship? Than you're consuming Chinese goods directly or indirectly. All "made in USA" label means is that the finished product was assembled in America. If 99% of the object is made in China, and then shipped to a factory in America where a dude snaps the two halves together it gets lebeled as "made in USA".

>>518790607 (OP)
China should hold the USA by the balls because the USA arms Ukraine.

>>518792906
>we did it before we can do it again.
Actually you can't do it again because the price of labour there makes it impossible for you to compete. Unless you're willing to toil for decades earning 29 cents an hour America will never reindustrialize

>>518791699
Shitskin on shitskin love it. Flag checks out

>>518792906
Cool, you gonna build them in a month? The reason this is retarded is because Trump isn't doing anything to correct the core issue. The way to do it would be a mixture of massive subsidies to dump goods on the market combined with increasing tariffs. All sudden spikes in tariffs to a major consumer like China does is raise costa for Americans. If this was Vietnam or something it would work fine, but China simply produces too much to be cut off from the economy without crippling it.

Rebuilding American industry and decreasing reliance on Chinese manufacturing would realistically take 8-20 years of delicately applied tariffs on China and other countries combined with massive subsidies. For example
>We want to make steel in America
>Each steel mill will have 80% of its construction costs paid by the federal governments and all worker wages will be fully subsidized until they are trained or have been working for six months (whichever is shorter)
>Tariff Chinese steel at 30% and all other foreign steel at 10%, set price limits on American steel and give them grants of money per ton of steel to flood the global market on steel
>After steel mills are up and staffed use tariffs to drive countries from Chinese steel (Germany, if you don't tariff Chinese steel at 50% like we're gonna do we'll tariff your cars at 50% otherwise we'll only tariff your cars at 10%)
>American steel continues to flood the markets and Chinese steel industries struggle to continue selling steel
>Slowly ween steel industry off subsidies and remove price controls so steel can be sold at reasonable prices

It's essentially the same way China built up its industries (dumping to destroy international competition) combined with some hard ball economic diplomacy.

>>518793669
^^^

>>518790607 (OP)
They're not tariffs. They're called retaliatory taxes.

If they wanted tariffs, they'd just declare war on the US and stop pretending they're 'allies'.

>>518790607 (OP)
Good, junk made in China is absolute garbage. Literally pretend car parts , looks close to the original , cost just as much but doesn’t fit or made from pot metal the bends or breaks after 10 miles.
Tools the same way ,power tools made in the US would last 40 -50 years, garbage tools from China last a few months. Kill all chinks.
I want war so I can kill them for 30 years of garbage products.

>>518792906
>if we did it before we can do it again.
Famous last words.

>>518790811
your chinkoid yuans won't buy you an iphone, changkong. now put the dog meat in the bag so you won't starve in the homeless district of chongqing

>>518792845
Everything you own is made in chink land you stupid fuck , your fucking clothes form Salvation Army , the tent you live in, your sleeping bag , the paint you huff and the fentanyl you smoke. EVERYTHING

>>518790607 (OP)
I love trade wars.

Why cant the US as a country act in unison like China does? You could just stop buying from China but you just wont?

>>518793076
It’s been a fucking curse

>>518793669
The motivation for domestic production will be strong when a huge enough war breaks out. Not outsourcing labor to possibly compromised nations out of your continent would be a priority when that time comes, and putting the whole East Asian region under war would cripple everyone else's economy either way, so USA would still be at an advantage for having both the Pacific and Atlantic coastlines, not to mention all those foreign bases it invested on for decades.

>>518794484
Good. Shit is toxic hope all industries kill that product.

>>518794203
two more weeks is the famous last words here, mongoloid monkey

>>518794662
Go on and start that big war, you obese mutt Jamal Rodriguez.

>>518790607 (OP)
>taxing your own food imports at 100%
Lol ok

>>518790861
They good ending is crypto queers killing themselves.

>>518794442
Literally RuneScape.

>>518794660
thats not the point tho

>>518794773
Win against Ukraine first, weakling. Until then, your words mean nothing.

>>518794484
Americans don’t make those decisions, Jews do. You can chose to not buy chink shit , but that’s all there is now , EVERYTHING!
Even if you buy from Europe , all chink garbage.
I now only buy used power tools off eBay , pre 90s when they were made by humans.

>>518790607 (OP)
oh look moar talking

meanwhile everything has a made in china sticker.

>>518790607 (OP)
Tit for tat "NO U"

There has to be something heinous in those files for Trump to prefer thermonuclear warfare.

>>518793871
He’s a mummy in a coffin , no more good times a comin

>>518794853
>EVERYTHING!
then you will lose this trade war

>>518791699
>China is punishing the world because of America
If you don't consider China's move illogical and miscalculated (due to the obvious reaction it would invoke), then your only remaining option is to consider it intended self-destruction.
In no scenario does it make sense to suddenly treat every country in the world as hostile in a diplomatic letter. I shouldn't need to explain why.
Burning potential allies in *any* move, be it your first move, continuing move, or last move, is effectively isolating yourself while wrenching your hands forward and begging to be handcuffed. Giving up.
It's something a child might do, lashing out at their parents, hitting their friends-- but certainly not the actions of a first world country.

>>518793076
>injection molded plastic and steel
Yeah, made by Dupont and US steel in the USA retard.
>>518794433
>Everything you own is made in chink land
No it isn't you stupid zoomer slop consumer.

>>518790607 (OP)
China will literally die in a week without American money. No more 2 weeks bullshit either. They have until Friday until their country erupts in an orgy of bug-violence and bug-rape. Trump should just tell him to fuck off.

Blumphw bluffed, Xi called his bluff. Kikes on suicide watch.

>>518795169
Use simpler words. The wumao can't understand anything beyond middle school level English.

China import shit from the US. They steal.

>>518795134
Nope Americans will go cold turkey and do without , until they start making it here again. Any thing and everything made in China is poison , its ment to be poison.
Good bye chink garbage.
The funny thing is, after WWII the japs made cheap crap , then they grew their industrial base into the greatest in the world , once a reputation for crap products, they became the worlds best , the word Japan now means the highest quality.
You chink niggers have gotten worse over the last 30 years , crummy junk became absolutely unusable crummy junk. China will always be associated with ripp off , garbage shit.
It’s the people , Japanese are high tier humans , Chinese are sub human insects.

>>518793669
>8-20 years before America is detached from Chinese rare earth minerals
Let's assume this is correct. The trade war continues. American industry is starved of components. There must be subsidies and government intervention.

...Then there will be subsidies and government intervention. What you fail to realize is the depth of power that a first world country has over its citizens. In a crisis, the Constitution is simply suspended. Look at COVID lockdowns and clotshot mandates. COVID was only a teaser for what a full blown crisis might involve.

Your simplistic calculation also forgets basic diplomacy, war, sanctions, conventions, and other levers that govern and determine the outcome of every modern conflict. All you care about is China's intent in this weird hyperfocused bubble of 2 + 2 = 4. It's frankly quite embarrassing to read your post.

>>518795220
You’re a dumb nigger who consumes , literal lives in chink shit,
Wake up nigger , stop huffing chink paint

>>518795220
You are retarded my fren
https://youtu.be/3ZTGwcHQfLY

>>518795337
This , America built China , America supports China , that all stops now !
Boycott all Jew/ chink goods, if it says made in China , don’t buy it !

>>518790607 (OP)
>200%
>TARIFFS

>>518790811
Shut up, retard

>>518795337
>>518796295
this shit has already happened tho, why are you pretending to have this short of memory?

>>518790607 (OP)
China is the most pathetic country on the planet. They should spend more time fixing their shit hole and less spamming the internet how great they are
Taiwan is the True China
Red China is a Jewish puppet state that exists for us to export our pollution

>>518791222
We have plenty and I wish they would use less in our cars since I don’t want to be tracked

>>518791343
Too late, normies already forgot about that lie, they're sucking down some new lie now

Trump will say he's in such a good mood because the jews are happy today, and use that to walk back his tariffs. Meanwhile the Chinese export restrictions remain in force until the US rescinds chip export and third country re-export controls aimed at China alone.

>>518790607 (OP)
If Drumpf is the president of peace, why does he start so many tariff wars?

>>518796408
lol without US financial support China will literally collapse.
You know it , I know it.
Once there is no work , no food , your people will skin the CCP and Xi alive .
Your “leaders” are communist in name only , they are the rich elites that leach off your working class , just like the Jews in the US. They will all die at the hands of your own people.

>>518796504
your post clearly shows why you live in a prison labor camp run by jews.

>>518796845
you wanna pray you should go to a church

>>518796794
Why are you chinks posting under Canuck flags , that’s the real question?

>>518790607 (OP)
>Chyna threatens the US if the US doesn't stop retaliating against Chyna for tarrifing the US
Am I understanding this right? Fucking Chinese people, are they all this dumb?

>>518796966
I don’t pray to false gods

>>518790607 (OP)
What has China done wrong this time? I thought Trump and Winnie came to an agreement?

>>518790811
2 more weeks, chink?

>>518790607 (OP)
China exports 564B to the US but imports 164B from the US. Most of China's US imports are either high tech goods, or food.
>tariff on minimal imports
>kek
now export controls or sanctions would suck. but this is nothing.

>>518797047
Yes they are that stupid
I hope the nuclear war starts soon , I want chinks to die from their own shitty made war products.

>>518794203
you cant even conquer the ukraine,lol.

>>518790811
i think thats the point tho

chinks are finna trounce us mutts when shit gets hot. we will live to see radioactive ghoul peter zion standing in front of a bombed out DC going "two more weeks". i cant wait.

>>518790811
We don't make much and what we do make doesn't go to them so it is effectively a tariff on nothing. A nothing burger tariff if you will.

>>518797372
You are way worse than you are 30 yrs ago tho, i dont think even you would deny that

>>518797425
"us mutts" where are the chinese flags here,btw?

>>518790607 (OP)
Xi turning the screws on TACO Don. He could just leave it, everyone knows there won't be enhanced tariffs and the USGS says Trump and Vance are completely wrong about having "two elements" China needs for every element the US needs from China.
China can get helium now, and China's support for Russia has allowed them to buy the old Russian Beryl mines. Although I doubt Trump's take was that granular, he seems to think rare earths are "rare" for a start. Having people prepared to put up with radiocative water forever to refine them is a bit rare in a democracy but you can find rare earths anywhere.

>>518790811
I note your flag still says 'Turkey' when I hover over it with my mouse. You will always be Turkey, never 'Turkiye' or whatever you're trying to call yourselves now.

>>518797550
ironic considering your esl as fuck post. also
>muh zogbots

>>518797543
we are way stronger now than then. we just destroyed all of irans AA and nuclear facilities in 1 night without our planes even being seen. zero losses on our side.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khasham

russia cant even take the ukraine and china cant even take taiwan,lol.

>>518790811
America won't go down without a fight
They will nuke the world if they have to
They are Satan but actually real

>>518791457
>waging economic war on the entire world all at once
Like you dumb fucks are doing with trump

>>518797425
Let’s just agree Jews run the world , Jews built China , then China finally told the kikes to fuck off , good for them.
China and the kikes are both trying to take down the US right now , working on parallel paths. Neither will be successful.
All Jews and chinks in the US will be shot on sight when SHTF, ALL.

>>518790811
Fpbp. It means you will pay more for food.

>>518797712
your soldiers have replaced with these tho, i wonder how royal they really are when shit hits the fan

The Trump administrations whole approach is based on the other side cucking, that works fine with the likes of eurocucks but within a week of China hitting them back with like for like Trump will cuck, they don’t have the balls for an actual trade war

>>518797651
Didn’t read
Too Jewish

>>518797779
gimme an open heart surgery chink any day over a white f*tty

>>518794484
Trump made threats about export controls during the campaign. Suggested he'd starve Cheyena. China sensibly invested and developed new suppliers and bought a year's harvest elsewhere in Panamax units. Highly unlikely American farmers will ever sell to the Chinese again, there is no need for them.

>>518797047
It’s just how people behave when every male in the country has a small penis

>>518797973
You will never stop being a gay.

>>518798004
you are right, still why cant americans just stop? China did.

>>518790811
I don't know why this post made people mad it's obvious everyone is shuffling to return to gold reserves.

>>518797824
That's all that matters here, right? Trump Trump Trump.

You can side with China throwing itself off a cliff for whatever reason you want. It doesn't change that China is throwing itself off a cliff.

>>518790607 (OP)
Replace drumpf with either bernie or jeb!

>>518798103
We have the best teacher aka the USA.

>>518798061
when those chinese ships land on our beaches, the twinks will be raped just as frequently as the chinkettes. all sideways holes will be filled.

>>518796408
China is "gray rocking" Trump. This is exactly how you deal with a malignant narcissist.

Xi is smart.

>>518790607 (OP)
tariffs are a dumb idea. america cannot survive without its chinese importations or cheap immigrant labour. he's just speed running americans to poverty.

>>518790607 (OP)
No affect on bitcoin. Don't care.

>>518790607 (OP)
Oh no! No more temu gadgets, rice and octopuses.

>>518797890
They are all being removed from the military as we speak
Record number of enlistments right now as trump purges the Jew / Marxist DEI woman , troon faggots mentally ill “ soldiers”
It was a Jew and chink plan to destroy the US military.
It only makes us hate you more , you will all die on our bayonets.

>>518790607 (OP)
i wonder outside of trumps political carreer how much insane profits he made dipping his grubby pawn into china aswell...

>real estate developer for massive projects

in all honestly Trump should be kissing Chinas asshole since they had a massive part in building his wealth image and fame.

never forget the truth and the truth will set you free

china is no joke and they deserve to unleash the beast they where MOLDED and MADE to become

>>518790607 (OP)
Oh no! And I was just about to buy several thousand tonnes of steel and coal.
NMFP.

>>518797973
Chinese men having sex

>>518794782
you guys hate "crypto queers" but I'm terminally ill and got fucked over by the government and state multiple times over, not a single american has ever fucking helped me besides 1 crypto bro,then a few other crypto bros who were from europe.
ONLY PEOPLE IN THE ENTIRE PLANET WHO GAVE A SHIT
Might wanna reconsider who your enemies are.

>>518798343
>gray rocking
esl here, what does this slang mean?

>>518798413
>as we speak
two more weeks, then

>>518798343
when they show you who they are, believe me

>>518797047
The Chinese retaliated because of the 50% rule the US introduced in violation of their agreement in Madrid just before the shutdown.

>>518790607 (OP)
I want my stonks to go up but I also hate the United States. The world is so cruel bros.

>>518798131
Because of business and democracy. They can't endure even the slightest pain. That is why comparing numbers doesn't really work. Xi can starve half his country for a decade. Trump gets shit if there is one fewer choice at Walmart.

I know the average anon sleeps on a camp bed, owns only the bible and a rifle and repairs the belts on his car with cured lizard skin but most Americans are fat greedy consumers who can't be told no.

>>518790607 (OP)
They already fucking do that. Anyway, they don’t buy shit from us aside from goddamn basedbeans.

>>518791699
Go back to insect land Chang, we don’t want your chink ass here

You worthless insectoids are so annoying

>>518798573
As week speak means now dummy chink
Actually the news of record enlistments was last week , trumps purge of the mentally ill and traitors began when he took office.

>>518798640
>informal agreement

>>518797973
What did he do that for

>>518798864
he refused to swallow

>>518798413
>They are all being removed from the military as we speak ... Record number of enlistments
Just in time for WW3?

>>518790607 (OP)
JewSA Best China.

>>518798515
Related to the pic you posted.

Ignoring someone who is just trying to get a reaction from you. Usually, in connection with Cluster-B personality disorders, it is a strategy for people who have to deal with others who have them.

>>518798777
Okay, and?

>>518791457
The US literally created the book on how to restrict other countries’ economic sovereignty. Here is a short list:
>lobbying foreign governments to outlaw unregistered seeds, rendering a food economy reliant on Monsanto
>suing foreign governments (eg Australia) for regulating cigarette box design
>threatening military action against South American countries who’s governments attempt to announce the public health benefits of breast milk (which threatens US food company baby formula sales)
>restricting the export of semi conductors made in other countries using US technology—ie the same exact thing China is doing
>lobbying OPEC to require all oil sales in USD (even between countries that have nothing to do with the US)
This is just off the top of my head. The US (which is basically run by wall street) is extremely aggressive in protecting its corporate interests (ie profit). China is a massive market largely still untapped by Wall Street, which is why you see so much anti-Chinese propaganda. Wall Street would love for China to become a “democracy”.

The reason for our economic hegemony is incredibly simple: we do it because we can. We are the dominant military superpower, and anyone who doesn’t listen to us is basically in danger. China is simply trying to pull off the same tactics the US has been using, because Xi is desperately trying to prevent China from become a vassal state of Wall Street.

>>518793426
This poster is blatantly chinese lmao.

>>518790607 (OP)
Good riddance, fuck China, and keep fucking them and fuck all the boomers that outsourced to China, they seem pretty retarded right about now

>>518790607 (OP)
Nobody wants a trade war. We want World War III. The US and it's european allies vs China, Russia, india, and every other third worlder.

>>518799116
the strong do what they will, the goyim suffer what they must

>>518799194
T3WD

>>518799194
>The US and it's european allies
so a military consisting entirely of mexicans, niggers and various islamic-aligned browns?
that sound good to you? that what represents us?
because it's all we fucking have anymore, anon

>>518799096
>i'm going to cause trouble and shit the bed because you broke an INFORMAL AGREEMENT
weak man of asia

>>518799194
The allies that the US is also trying to destroy in a trade war? Get real.

>>518799197
It’s not “hegemony or survival” as Chomsky argues. Rather, it’s hegemony or slavery. The anglos understood this very well, and their primary concern is to avoid being slaves—hence the line “Britons will never be slaves” in Rule, Brittania!

The world is and always has been dog eat dog.

>>518799404
The allies that we’re just finally pushing back on after allowing ourselves to get hosed for decades as each administration until Trump was content to keep kicking the can down the road out of fear of upsetting our “allies”.

>>518799304
>I can't be held to an informal agreement because I just can't
At least wait a few years before reneging on things instead of operating under the childish delusion that you can't be hit back and can snap your hands and make the hard, standard-of-living lowering work of industrialization whose timeframes are measured in years and decades emerge ex nihilo.

It took Japan a decade to make their rare earth mineral supply merely plurality Chinese-sourced.

>>518799116
Yeah, it’s called imperialism, the advanced stage of capitalism.

>>518790811
oh no

>>518799594
>get hosed for decades
Get hosed how? Americans are richer than Europoors and Canadians, and this gap has only widened since 2008.

>>518799597
>reneging
>on an INFORMAL agreement
you understand retaliation in the tune of millions, perhaps hundreds of millions of dollars over an agreement that was not clearly defined nor officially sanctioned and set in stone, is just more china baby tantrums right?

>>518791918
It's simply not a problem on China's end. There just isn't enough that the US makes that they need or want to reduce the deficit. They aren't going to let American jewish high finance run their country -- which is what Trump is actually upset about.

All of the issue is on the American side. Just stop buying from China and replace with domestic alternatives (but this would be hard and time-consuming and would shift power away from the domestic entrenched financial elite as it would have to be necessarily shared with domestic workforces).

So we have this nonsensical conversation.

>>518799598
It’s important to understand why this happens. Most Americans don’t know this, because we are propagandized to more frequently and more effectively than any other population in history. But the elite class in the US basically runs the world right now. They control the US government, the military and the entire financial institution emanating out of Wall Street. And their greed is so profoundly staggering, it would leave most people speechless to grasp it. They would rather cause suffering and death to 1 million innocent babies than give up a house in Maui they never use.

It’s not human nature—most people throughout history would never feel this way. But who gets to these echelons of power? Only people who are this way to begin with.

>>518791699
China is floundering, the loss of U.S. markets with free shipping do to counterfeit postage has literally decimated almost every Chinese manufacturer. And they can't 'make it up by selling to other markets' because all those markets were already buying chink shit and saturated. Anyways this is all just fucking postering, in the end a deal will be made, China will sell the rare earths and buy U.S. basedbeans and the U.S. will give China lessened chip tech export and also allow a unique among the world low value good tariff exemption

>>518799716
The way you're screeching sounds like it's more than a tantrum. It sounds like it's effective and actually doing damage.

>not clearly defined
Come on now. There's no world where imposing additional unilateral export restrictions doesn't break the word of the Madrid agreement.

Trump, or the IJA junior officers in admin, tried something because they were operating under the childish delusion that China can't hit back (which was proven to be bullshit in April and May); and got spanked.

>>518790607 (OP)
Roll

>>518790607 (OP)
China has no leverage. Their entire economy requires them to consume our economy. Nobody else can (much less would) take even ten percent of the lead-encrusted garbage we currently import from their gutter oil nation.

What do we even need from them? More disposable junk that gets dumped into the Pacific garbage patch, and nothing else. We have lost our manufacturing industry to the bugmen by trying to be nice to them, and now we are losing our currency. Enough. Keep your cheap plastic junk and we will rebuild our industries

They didn't buy any of the farm produce from the US, what else do they buy from the US that they could tariff?

>>518790607 (OP)
>Exports from China to the U.S. are about 2.9% of Chinese GDP in 2023
>U.S. exports of goods & services to China are much smaller, around 0.5% to 0.7% of U.S. GDP in recent years.
k

>>518791918
>Reduce the trade deficit to $0 billion
Thats so retarded, you are the world reserve currency, you literally need a trade deficit to have the dollar in circulation around the world.
Fucking stupid americans man.

>>518799516
thats true. look at europe.

>>518790607 (OP)
NO!!! WE WON'T BE ABLE TO EXPORT TO CHINA! AHHHHHH!

>>518800106
Conservatives don't understand how money works. You see it over and over again.

>>518799924
It’s not greed. It’s the general tendency of capitalism. Capital must propagate itself. If, for whatever reason, the capitalist refuses to propagate it in the most efficient manner, he will naturally just get replaced by a more efficient economic actor.

>>518799950
>no UR the one that's mad!
is this the mindset Xi had when he retaliated back over an informal agreement anon? kek

>>518800218
man, america is prime example why voting doesnt work, because too many people are stupid and they vote

>>518799194
lmao, bring it on, leaf.

years of living in america's shadows and a carefully crafted "canadians are kind, canadians are polite" psyops operation has made you to overstate your nation's relevance while still flying under the radar. truth is, on a one-on-one confrontation, you, those fags across the ocean, and those other fags across the other ocean will all get decimated collectively against any real professional army.

don't monger war thinking that you have a say in when your overlords should go to the mattresses.

it's only the americans and the EU who're passing the baton of western predominance right now. you're no where in the calculus.

>>518790607 (OP)
china doesnt even buy shit from us anyways

>>518799924
>>518799930

I'm thinking that China can win this thing just by flexing their muscles ever so slightly.

The Wall St Jews overplayed their hand to a ridiculous extent.
>Entire planet hates Jews with zero guilt about it
>US military is completely out of missiles/weapons except for nukes
>Even India was pushed into China's arms by the dumb Trump-Jews.

I'm guessing that China can simply shift some of their manufacturing to produce more weapons like cheap drones, and military clothing/supplies, and they can simply subsidize some Chinese workers to at least keep their bellies full with Russian wheat products.

I mean, just imagine how cheap a chink electric car is for actual chinks in china. Even in a world war type crisis their survival standard of living will be close to Americans' standard of living, if not higher because they make all the cheap electronics and toys and fashion stuff that makes life good or bad for normies.

>>518790607 (OP)
100% tariff on chink niggers, and also 100% tariff on food & water from America, means that all the niggers in china starve to death.
Won't be able to import American water either.
Good times.

>>518793426
It’s hilarious that people think manufacturing labor cost was an intentionally inflated to modernized China as a justification. This can easily be corrected. You’re an idiot. Seethe more Chang.

>>518799834
> but this would be hard and time-consuming and would shift power away from the domestic entrenched financial elite as it would have to be necessarily shared with domestic workforces
Finally someone who gets it. Industrial production, small businesses that make actual things, people having the personal sovereignty to engage in commerce among themselves, etc… is not easy to financialize.

US shareholder are addicted to owning and profiting from things they don’t participate in. They have effectively noble status: how else is it possible for them to profit from a business they don’t work for or participate in?

Wall Street shareholders only want to own things and profit. They don’t want to actually produce, because that takes effort. So keeping industry within the US is risky because American factory workers, as slavish as they are, are still used to things like unions and co-ops. It’s literally better to have a distracted white collar class sitting in front of a computer screen (complacent because they are never going to be injured in the workplace and they get to eat burgers and have 401ks), and then have everyone else be a homeless drug addict. So long as they can extract more profit from their noble status, they do not care. Hence, they must practice hegemony. This was understood as far back as Plato’s time:

“Then, shall we not need a larger city? For the healthy city is no longer sufficient; it must be filled with a multitude of things that go beyond mere necessities—painters and embroiderers and cooks and attendants of all sorts, and swineherds… And land enough will no longer be sufficient for their maintenance, but they will need to take a slice from their neighbors’ land. And will this not give rise to war, Glaucon?”

Missing context from this quote is the fact that about HALF of Athens were slaves. If you don’t feel like you’re reaping the spoils of US hegemony, guess what? You are a slave.

>>518800272
If I were Xi, I would feel absolutely justified in retaliating over this shenanigans. If I were a businessman and someone pulled this shit, I would sue them. I don't understand your solipsistic take on this.

>>518790951
>Xi has no cards to play

He can put an export tax (an inverse tariff) on products bound for USA. America imports most of its medications from China. That would really hurt, particulary if China implements ISTAR type rules stating that any third party that sells products containing chinese components to USA will get their chink components taxed as if they were sent to America.

>>518800762
Industrial production is broadly incompatible with small business. Industrialization is about going big to take advantage of economies of scale that small craftsmen could never dream of.

>>518790811
It's the Chinese century, baby

>>518800592
The reason why China can win is because America has an occupation government captured by foreign interests and a compromised elite who view themselves as the State, and not the greater national interest. The elite interest is not the same as the population.

>>518800013
>Keep your cheap plastic junk and we will rebuild our industries
and by we you mean the jews who hate us and want us to die right now.

Even after Oct 7, the Jews are already back to hating whites even if it means the end of both whites and Jews.
Look at how the Jews just put a Puerto Rican spanish speaking singer as the Super Bowl halftime show.

The Jewish one-sided war on whites is a full go yet again, and they will use the democrats or vance to lurch left and advance jewish tribal interests that way.

>>518800688

Russia grows tons of wheat and now controls half of Ukraine too.

>>518801003

Yeah, economic warfars is similar to military warfare, and these Jews can't run a military war to save their own Jewish State.
They lose to pretty much everybody, and even Hezbollah is not much weaker than the IDF right now.

>>518790607 (OP)
Oh no! The Chinese will have to pay more for the American goods they don't buy! Take that.. uh.. Drumpf? Xi? Are tariffs good now or still bad?

Trump is a dumb boomer who's world view is stuck in the 80s/90s and is getting outplayed and cucked across the globe.
>>518792382
Democrat elites won't let us open new mines. They rather rule over ashes than be equals with flyover ruraloids. Also farmers in flyover states don't want us to build huge mines either.

To get the elite to do anything, you'd have to tax stocks at a higher rate and set the tax rate for actually producing tangible goods (raw materials, intermediates, and finished products) to 0%. But then again, the elites won't let us. They want us as slaves.

>>518801210
because we all are expecting Trump to fold, like last time

China has little man syndrome because of this. Pic rel is Korean but China is deathly afraid of this happening with Chinese women as well.

>>518801089
>Russia grows tons of wheat and now controls half of Ukraine too.
Russia is not farming in Ukraine.
Putin probably killed all the Russian farmers, in his special 3 day operation, that has gone on for years.

>>518800961
Not necessarily. Local industrial production has many physical requirements than can result in markets for small businesses—local shopkeepers, repair, transportation. It can support local small businesses that perform more high touch or custom tasks.

What the US has is moving towards is a combination of imports of industrial goods, giant middle man merchants owned and financialized by private equity funds, and advertising tech companies (like Facebook) to keep it all flowing.

The degree to which local industrial production thwarts financialization is the degree to which it opens a niche in the ecosystem for owner-operated businesses. It’s not a coincidence that we see the decline of small businesses and industry happening at the same time in US economic history.

>>518790607 (OP)
i thought tariffs are just a tax on your own people?
why would china tax itself at 100% if that's the case?

>>518801422
russia has the third most arable land in the world. out of the top 5 countries with most arable lands, 4 of 'em are BRICS.

>>518795337
>>518796295
Exports to the US make up less than 3% of Chinas GDP. It's not a critical part of their exonomy.

>>518791457
>A week ago, China sent a letter to every country in the world, requiring Chinese government approval of every country's sales to every other country, where the sale involves anything that has even the smallest amount of China-produced subcomponents.


This is china copying american ISTAR rules. If you have any kind of american subcomponent in your product, you have to abide by american sanctions rules, or you get sanctioned yourself and blacklisted from the banking system. The thing is that China is a more important source for components than USA, so the rational thing is to go with China.

>>518790811
>end of US dollar as global reserve currency
Jew owned script based on Dept and eternal debt slavery to those forced to use it.
Fuck Jews.

>>518801730
These people are boomers still stuck in the 80s/90s. They don't understand that the west is has been surpassed and that we're on the precipice of a USSR style collapse.

>>518790607 (OP)
thanks for posting a twitter account comment ran by a jeet, rajesh
hard-hitting stuff as usual

>>518800592
China isn't going to win shit. This is literally their only last ditch effort card to try and turn around a sinking ship. The U.S. accounts for 10-20% depending on sector of all Chinese exports. There is no where on earth China can make up that volume, yet the U.S. will ultimately be fine without China after some short term pain. Other nations are already falling over themselves to take up China's market share in the U.S.

>>518802008
Trump would have been fine if he focused on immigration and other domestic issues while keeping the pressure on China at about the level of Biden (which was somewhat of an escalation from Trump's first term).

>>518792906
>USA used to have a vast steel manufacturing presence and if we did it before we can do it again.

American steel furnaces are from the 40s and 50s. Unautomated low tech stuff built by people who are dead since generations. The american solution will be to import indian steel workers who work for minimum wage.

>>518802231
yeah except china can still sell to the rest of the world meanwhile nobody will buy overpriced american made garbage

>>518802277
>indian steel workers
top kek. i havent seen an indian lift anything heavier than 5 lbs

>>518802277
And NIMBYs and Green party types will fight tooth and nail to prevent us from ever opening them again or even updating them. People in the USA are delusional.

>>518802277
>Give socialists control of the country
>Run heavy industry into the ground and import shitskins
How does anyone ever vote left?

>>518793426
>Actually you can't do it again because the price of labour there makes it impossible for you to compete. Unless you're willing to toil for decades earning 29 cents an hour America will never reindustrialize

Its not the price of labor, its lack of competence, lack of infrastructure in every aspect and lack of genetic capital. The american population is 35% euro american and the rest are 99% useless blacks and browns. Americans will learn the hard way that race is a biological reality based in physics.

Its like saying "africa can industrialize because they have cheap labor!". No they cant, they have tons of useless niggers that can only ook and eek. America is in a similar position.

>>518790811
China is going to fucking win WW3

>>518802492
It's actually because Marxists regulated heavy industry out of existence

>>518802373
Chinks have already been selling to the world you fucking jeet moron. Again there is no where on earth to take up the volume of goods China desperately needs to sell that isn't already fully saturated in chink goods.

>>518793669
>other countries combined with massive subsidies.

I believe that goes against WTO rules which America has championed. The amerimutt and his jewish masters have been hoisted on their own petard.

>>518802401
there is something wrong in the american education system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvGwIFVUK7M

>>518802592
and nigger if everyone is already buying from china then why would they buy from america

you just btfo'd yourself

>>518802277
The solution was actually to let the Japanese buy and modernized it, but that got nixed by retards for facile reasons. If there's anyone you can trust, it's the Japanese who have spent the last 30 years jumping on American economic grenades to save their ally, and revitalizing American manufacturing with Toyota, Nissan, and Honda plants all over red states.

>>518790607 (OP)
reminder that when trump did his last tarriff shit with china.
biden reversed the tarrifs on china but china kept all theirs.
these tariffs better work, and american mfg better comeback or alot of people will be pissed.
though last time people got pissed off about how ineffecitve a president was the twin towers got knocked down by airplanes and then we went to war with afghanistan and iraq.

>>518802794
if america wanted their industries back they'd be reverting back regulations, not tariffing their competitors

trump doesn't want to create industries, he wants to fill the pockets of his pedophile friends

>>518802794
>biden reversed the tarrifs on china but china kept all theirs.
Tariffs empower uncompetitive, corrupt local lobbies at the consumer's expense. They might be a necessary evil in the blueprints used by the Asian Tigers to modernize in the 20th century, but never forget that they are an evil.

>>518790607 (OP)
I thought Xi didn’t care? Now he’s crying about it like a little baby poo boy?!

>>518803044
yeah reminder that if an industry was truly competitive they wouldn't need to price out theoir competition

>>518793669
This is literally what Biden was doing. Selective tariffs and massive investment into manufacturing with the chips and inflation reduction act. It was working until Trump fucked it all up. Now foreign investment into manufacturing is drying up and people are losing jobs in these sectors.

>>518790811
crazed Turk

>>518790811
lol, global reserve currency. fuck off with that fake shit. it's utterly meaningless.

>>518802794
countries with tariffs are not dumb enough (like trump level retarded) to tariff raw materials that the USA doesn't have. Of course they won't work with the way they are implemented.

>>518796023
>Let's assume this is correct.

What the guy you are replying to is trying to say that there is physical component to decoupling from China. You need to actually build a rare earth metal refinery. Then you need to staff it to operate it. You need lots of chem engineers. And you need railroads, power plants, reagent chemicals and shit like that. And that stuff takes time to build. And it takes time to train the people needed, if you can find them, because american genetic capital is shitskin tier. That is why he says 8-20 years, if it is possible.

Trump is doing nothing to adress this. Instead he uses tariffs to generate churn in the market, so that the jews on his staff can make money by options trading with insider info.

>>518790607 (OP)
SHORT SHORT SHORT SHORT SHORT.
>But it's not summertime
I don't care! If you're not wearing SHORTS, you're going to be quite uncomfortable.

>>518803169
>literal market trend command economies will save the west goy
We're in overtime already lol

>>518803409
i wish more people understood this. we're being fucked with so they can rob wealth in the decline.

>>518803409
yeah if america was actually trying to reindustrialize you'd be slashing regulations, not crippling your competition artificially

>>518790938
>2 biggest companies in US are relying on cheap chinese products for their revenue generation
>3rd is a scam company that specializes in denying boomers medical treatment
>4th is also relying on cheap chinese electronics
It will be like an economic nuke going off.

>>518802472
Damn I didn't know Ronald Reagan was a socialist, why do conservatives love him so much?

>>518801730
>>518802108
Americans will make excuses about Chinese economic dominance for the next 50 years until reality kicks in.

>>518802401
>top kek. i havent seen an indian lift anything heavier than 5 lbs

There is a steel industry in India, and they buy western companies and scuttle them after plundering them. F.ex the last british blast furnaces capable of making steel from iron were bought and eventually closed by a pajeet company.

>>518790951
/thread
literally the only reason we cared in the first place, now they have absolutely nothing to offer us

>>518803169
>It was working until Trump fucked it all up.
The CHIPS act is still in place and construction on several plants is almost complete. You're a literal fucking retard. Foreign investment into the US is GOING UP because of tariffs. Instead of having uninformed TDS, you could be worrying about muslim rape gangs in your own country.

>>518792027
but they do retard LMAO

>>518803169
>massive investment into manufacturing with the chips and inflation reduction act.

That was unworkable because it got infected with DEI crap.

>>518804561
if those plants were as efficient in america as they are in asia they'd been built in america since the beginning

you're going to subsidize substandard chips because trump is the worst negotiatior in the world

>>518790607 (OP)
isn't this shit exactly how they got japan to ackack perl harbor?

>>518804616
They did, but they already stopped purchasing based beans so they have no real leverage anymore. Their threats of tariffs against the US are worthless now. Xi got too emotional and literally gave up all his leverage.

>>518804753
Do you really think basedbeans are the only thing the chinks can stop sourcing from the US
If anything Trump is the one who showed his cards early, literally all he can do is keep announcing even more retarded tariffs numbers that he won't implement anyway because he knows it'll crush the economy.

>>518804482
delusional. indian steel companies have dominated manufacturing for at least a hundred years.

TISCO - the largest iron and steel mill of the former british empire - is present here and is still operational. at that time, iirc, it was the largest in the world. in both world wars, it was indian steel that enabled the war effort to a large extent.

stop pinning your failures on bogeymen. you just suck.

Miggers are already /k/oping by the looks of it

>>518804890
Yes actually, it's really the only thing that was "critical" that we exported to them that their lack of purchasing would hurt our industry. There is basically nothing else, it's all trivial bullshit.

>>518790951
Germans no nothing about winning

>>518804989
>/k/

>>518804998
>no

shhhh adults are speaking

>offer guy can't refuse neutralized by offer guy can't refuse
Art. of. the. Deal.

>>518791457
jewsa have always used the shadiest of deals to get the resources they need. Back when you niggers wanted to spy on the soviets and you had absolutely no titanium, you used like a million shell companies just to get some russian titanium to buy a damn place that was spotted anyways.
Of course china will audit the companies and countries they sell their rare earth minerals sl this doesn't happens again. They have (you) by the balls, nigger. Both your (((MIC))) and your (((tech))) depends on those resources and they were the only shits actually making sny money for jewsa.

>>518793669
>government runs on trade deficits
>the solution is for the government to spend billions in subsidies to create fictional favorable environments for businesses to thrive
>¨ween off¨ subsidies
This ¨weening off¨ of subsidies will never actually take place, though. There is literally no competition between a nation that has regulations on labor against literal slave labor. You're focusing on the supply side of the discussion while what we should instead be talking about is the consumer side. If people are willing to abandon Chinese products and maybe pay a premium on American-made products, then this entire argument doesn't even need to exist. The biggest issue concerning this problem are the consumers themselves, if the average consumer chose to educate themselves, China wouldn't have the iron grip over the global economy as it does today.

>>518790811
No you stupid nigger.

>>518804957
even we see indian and turkish rebars around here

orange ape has no cards

>>518791905
>brings up ass cancer ridden Biden unprompted
Did he fuck your wife?

>>518803986
You need both, it's more nuanced than that. You can't scale without a consumer base, and scaling up is how you learn (or in the case of America, re-learn) best practices and the little trade secrets that make you truly competitive.

The problem is that there's always a chance that they never become world class, or just take the money and run, and you've subsidized a dud. It takes real discipline and a clean and competent government bureaucracy to do this, but as we saw with Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea it's not impossible.

Walmart also just finished building a massive corporate compound in Bentonville, Arkansas (it can now fit A LOT more girl bosses than their old HQ). Reminds me a little bit of Union Carbide when they built a massive HQ in the middle of a forest in Connecticut, just before their little environmental disaster in India in 1984... Perhaps history rhymes?
https://youtu.be/A_fCvTylqlo

>>518804561
>construction on several plants is almost complete
why do you go on the internet and just tell lies
the plants have failed, the korean experts sent to work on them were captured by Ice and taken away in chains
most of these plants have just finished constructing the SHELL of the building, actual production is 'expected' to begin in 2028... bringing the united states from a 10% share in world chip production to... 14%. Do you comprehend how many MORE chip plants China could produce in the same time frame? We are a zombie nation at this point

>>518792906
The problem with the USA is the same problem the slave owners had in the south. It has become a nation of landed nobility that live off the production of other nations. Instead of the farmer picking cotton, toughening himself up, he had blackie do it. Blackie develops real skills, farmer can turn a whip and fuck a fem blackie, prances around on a horse, plays lord while his lady gets rammed by male blackie. What happens when conditions change the power dynamic? What happened with the coming of the machine? What good is turning a whip, playing lord and lady degenerate, when the economic system you relied on collapses? Blackie can go work in the factory, but what can lord farmer do? He can cope and rope, or he can start to toughen up and join blackie in the factory. But farmer doesn't want to join blackie in the factory. Farmer believes the whip still works, and that he's a high lord of nobility, a member of the gentry, when all he is is a mentally ill degenerate living in the suburbs, believing that his diagnoses are titles of nobility. Sorry, Americans, the barbarians are at the gates, the mongol hordes have reached your shores, and all you can do is butt play and point the blame, becoming more confused as your smartphones work their way with you.
>But the news is real! And We Americans matter, we're so important.
Importance doesn't come from others, it comes from the self, from within. Americans have spent too much time trying to force the rest of the world to sing their praises so that they couldn't hear the hollow, empty whisper within. SIGNAL SENT.

Around 40% Chinese is unemployed.

>>518805380
i know, man. much love.

>>518805383
He used the no card to play analogy with Zelenskyy too. Seems like a tell of donnys, if he's out of options he begins using card analogies.

>>518805248
What slave labor? Are you actually bitching about "muh weaves from Weegur hair"?

Just because there's arbitrage doesn't mean that the locals aren't earning a fair wage in their country. The lowest end manufacturing has been shifting out of China to places like Vietnam for years. And in those places, the locals are often thinking "Fuck farm labor, I'd rather sew Nikes and screw together Mitsubishi aircons all day."

>>518804065
Funny thing actually. Of the top 10, all are either retailers that sell stuff from china, services like health"care" and Ai. Literally the only things that produce something actually tangible are pharma and exxon.
Literally a gas station country that also sells drugs.

>>518805582
Meh, the turkish ones I've worked with are better though, less rolling mill marks but it's rebar so it doesn't really matter unless one is trying to make some "industrial" furniture with it. Still, the point is that indian rebar is sometimes found here and it's just okay as rebar steel.

>>518793669
They are importing labor to build up manufacturing in America. Americans who are already here are being displaced. DON'T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND? YOU ARE BEING COLONIZED! THE SOLUTION WOULD HAVE BEEN TO ATTACK CHINA, START A WAR, BUT THE USA CAN'T BECAUSE IT RELIES ON RARE EARTHS FROM CHINA TO MANUFACTURE MUNITIONS. CHINESE FINGER TRAP, THIS IS SIEGE WARFARE USING ECONOMICS. WHOEVER LASTS LONGEST WINS.

>>518805566
We live at the dawn of AI managed automated manufacturing, foreign labor experts have never mattered less.
Your entire gay little rant, much like your example of "blackie", is outdated garbage that doesn't apply anymore.

>>518805804
pay the price, get the rice. you get what you pay for over here.

>>518790607 (OP)

Nothing will happen. They'll cut a deal and China will catipulate. I still can't believe my shitty country chose Americans over this.

>>518805455
walmart is a genuinely fucking gross company and the people running it should probably be beheaded before they flee with their looted wealth sourced from decades of denied health benefits and underpaid wage labor to New Zealand or wherever else

>>518790938
You are retarded

Chinese women are god tier partners though. Why must we hate?

>>518805627
We're talking about people that would literally rather throw themselves off of buildings than spend more time inside sweatshops. It is literal slave labor. Americans not only have to provide fair wages, which in itself already means that they cannot compete with the cheap labor provided in places such as China, but even things such as safety regulations, already means that China has an edge over Western manufacturing. Let alone the fact that unions actually exist and that people would go on strike over minor issues. I'm not entirely sure what your point is.

>>518805924
when did we choose america?

and there are no deals getting cut in this short amount of time, with this bad of a temperament. trump will chicken-out again. no way these sanctions-like-tariffs go into effect.

>>518790811
100%.

The tarrifs are trying to punish and prevent BRICS by weaponizing the only export America has - the dollar. It started when they kicked Russia off swift and as they accelerate it's failing miserably as more nations load up on gold and dump treasuries. WW3 will be BRICS vs NATO and as far as I can tell is already well under way.

>>518790811
>Which Trump previously said would start WW3.
good, it's been on hold for too long anyway.

>>518790811
Trump always intended to depreciate the US dollar. It's a real shame all those MIGAers actually believed warmonger Trump was the president for peace kek

Trump is the bad guy in all of this.

>>518805897
>AI managed automated manufacturing
'dood the hecking AI is just gonna... magically fix our manufacturing!'
anon... did you actually buy in to the idea that AI is just going to make everything better? like... how, exactly? cloud computing didn't do it, AI isn't going to do it now... that's just corporate propaganda, like just straight up.

>>518790607 (OP)
China doesn't buy enough from the US for a reciprocal tariff to make sense. Literally dumber than Trump's tariff. At least the US is the largest consumer economy and buys tons of shit from, or made in, China.

>>518790607 (OP)
Oh shit is it that time again already? I was too distracted by no one knowing or giving a shit about what happened with tariffs the first time around. Seriously people stalked talking about that before most of them even understood how tariffs worked and who paid them, nor the actual readons behind implementing them. Safe to say unified consumer leverage is nonexistent so maybe they aren't such a good idea after all.
Anyway good luck in the tariff wars bros.

>>518805904
Actually there was no difference between them in price. Steel selling companies buy in bulk, obviously, and they then resale to smaller hardware stores and stuff and everything ends up mixed in stock sometimes. Once i got brazilian steel with indian steel on a batch. Not really any dif in price or quality.

>>518805398
I think that anon is being sarcastic, doing a satirical whataboutism.
It's how he says that Trump is doing bad things ("HAS to deliver the world to Satan"), something that a Trump supporter would never get caught doing

>>518806454
24/7 production, "lights off factories", massive decreases in staff needed to keep factories operational, etc
they have already revolutionized Chinese manufacturing and massively decreased overhead to run a factory. All the car manufacturers already use AI to do Q/C checks before vehicles leave the factory. It will continue to spread because it already massively increases profit margins. Yes many factory workers will also lose their jobs.
You are fucking retarded if you do not understand what a massive boom they are for production you dumb fuck. Just straight up.

>>518805470
You're retarded. The Samsung foundry in Texas is expected to be operational in 2026. Foundries are built out in lines. The Austin site currently has 2 that have been operational for years. The one they're building in Taylor will have the first line in production in 2026 and they'll add more as they go if demand is good. Problem is samsung sucks so no one wants their services. Most companies would rather just wait for TSMC to have a free spot.

>>518799924
That's right, our form of government, because it is set up to keep tyrants out of power, instead selects for psychopathic bureaucrats who hide behind the illusion of representative government.

>>518806514
it's not true. while all transnational steel orders are in bulk 'cause of shipping and logistics, turkish steel on-average costs at least $100 dollars per tonne higher than indian steel. if you see the stock all mixed-in, it's mainly 'cause of clearance or some type of involuntary intermixing.

>>518794484
Shit.
Welp, i guess our farmers are going to have to start growing food for us to eat again instead of subsidized corn and food for the rest of the world.

>>518799930
The markets are starting to feel that uneasiness in the stomach, but still trying to stuff as much food in its pig mouth before pulling its pants down and taking a huge shit.

>>518790811
I'm tired of capitalism with jewish characteristics. Let Xi take over, accelerate.

>>518795972
The difference is that the Japanese were deeply ashamed of making cheap trash, and did their level best to do the opposite. Shame over quality of work barely exists in China.

>>518807057
Probably, yes
Still, for reinforcing a small wall there is not that big of a difference. Still would totally choose the turk rebar without thinking because I would totally use it to make more "industrial " furniture again.

>>518790811
Honestly I hope China follows through with its threats just so I can see you faggots go nuclear when the dollar remains the reserve currency lol

>>518793282
Came here to post this

>>518794849
>memeflag
Jeet or Jew?

>>518791699
Yes yes China numba wan, we've all heard it before Chang

>>518800469
Your are a LLMINDIAN, Chatgpootee

lol. Chinese people are Chinese…. That’s literally all you need to know. Imagine waking up and being Chinese…. Lmao

>>518807304
i don't know what kind of furniture you're talking about but you can get better or equivalent varieties here for a lesser price. like, the highest quality of an indian steel rebar will cost the same as the lowest quality of a turkish rebar. you can get craft steel if you like, and there are certain steel producers that manufacture design specifications available globally by only 1 other competitor. you probably don't get it 'cause of some type of shipping, logistics or market size consideration but in south-east asia, africa ... indian steel is king.

fun fact: damascus steel didn't originate out of damascus. it was created here, known as wootz steel. the arabs merely traded it over the indo-arabian route.

>>518807591
Don’t feed the poos

>>518804997
ok so can you tell me what was the point of the tariffs if china doesn't buy anything from america

>>518807591
can an LLM call you a donkey-fucking inbred hick, you donkey-fucking inbred hick?

>>518807591
See. Look at what you did. You fed it

>>518804561
>Foreign investment into the US is GOING UP
And with that foreign investment comes foreign workers. Who will be working at those semi fabs? Nothing changes. The dollar goes down against other currencies, N. America becomes industrial slave town, natural born Americans are displaced, end up homeless, on drugs. mentally ill, rich still profit. It's just a rearrangement. You cannot be productive at the scale the world consumer markets demands and not employ slave labor.

>>518790607 (OP)
Then China gets a 10,000% tariff, plus sanctions, plus its citizens kicked out of America, etc etc etc. China is a plastic tiger and doesn't have any real bargaining power.
Not that it matters, as this is all fake and gay theatrics, anyway.

>>518805470
>why do you go on the internet and just tell lies
you're a retarded pajeet faggot.
>most of these plants have just finished constructing the SHELL of the building, actual production is 'expected' to begin in 2028
so in 2 years? oh no?
>bringing the united states from a 10% share in world chip production to... 14%.
is 0% better according to you? are you an actual moron or what?

>>518807811
Wootz steel, I know. I am a blacksmith. I know the history.
India has been well known for their steel through the ages. If I am not mistaken there are still some tribes or towns that forge blades and even musket rifle barrels in the old ways. Actually very interesting.
Many people will talk shit about india (many times with good reasons) but one can't really deny the quality of the specialized indian handcraft, though it may be way too specialized and specific for most to know.

>>518808069
and those chips will be more expensive and lower quality than the ones made in asia

>>518808015
>And with that foreign investment comes foreign workers.
First of all, not necessarily. Second, it was never about "the workers." Manufacturing, especially for semiconductors is heavily automated. It's about domestic supply lines. "The workers" is an entirely separate issue and I don't think anyone really wants to make the argument we should be eschewing modern automated manufacturing as a form of jobs subsidies.

>>518808286
nice, nice.

I love how all these miggers are in full damage control /k/ope and seethe mode spamming shit from a made up tranny tier reality that cannot coexist with reality, and thus they cope spam in return

>>518808333
>lower quality
According to a retarded faggot? Thanks for your brilliant take.

>>518799687
NEH

>>518805897
How comfy is your chair? Maybe not comfortable enough. Think, you fucking faggot. You got nice solid core wood doors, a home office maybe, work from home, play email games, maybe you day trade, work the phone, play big man, slap your wife on the ass. She giggles, maybe lets fuck her once a week, but lately she's been distant, just kind of lays back in bed, takes it but doesn't give back. Not that you notice, you're a big man, you say your wife is satisfied and she's satisfied. Yeah, she's been getting some satisfaction, but not from you. You're the one who's outdated, you fucking faggot. Spent too much time playing big man, couldn't see that you're not even a little man, you're just nothing, and life is going to keep getting lonlier.

>>518790811
nothing ever happens

>>518808440
according to the experience asia already has making those chips

you niggers think you just build a factory and everything magically gets done

>>518806201

We are shifting in that direction. Ours has capitulated first to the tarrifs.

>>518807924
Hey now, I'm a MULE, Asimov.

>>518808333
Yeah, but that's how you learn. Japanese cars weren't always world class.

The problem is the massive incentives and lack of disincentives to just take the money and run if you take the necessary steps to subsidize domestic production against mature competition. Of course, making raw materials more expensive or making specialized European tooling more expensive doesn't help you if you are trying to make things.

>>518807995
Gotta fatten piggy up to make tasty bacon. Don't think it's just words I'm throwing back at him. There's information given away simply by engaging.

>>518808796
and you're exactly proving my point why tariffs don't work

if trump wanted to make america industrialized he'd be slashing regulations, not pricing out competitors

>>518808944
I think you're confusing me for another poster. I've been against Trump's retarded tariff """strategy""" in this thread. I also think that not touching regulatory barriers is remarkably stupid, as we've come to expect from Trump and Lutnick.

But you do actually need some form of tariff or subsidy to compete against mature foreign competition. Part of that growing pain is scaling up, and a captive domestic market of hundreds of millions is the usual play that Japan, Korea, etc did. You just need to be willing to kick them to the curb if they don't deliver after a few years, which is I think the hardest part for an American version of the Asian Tiger gameplan.

>>518808809
I don’t like nor care about anything a brown subhuman has to say or thing. They are lower than dirt and deserve to die slow and painful deaths. Up your racism game bro