Thread 518831726

I have noticed a pattern. If you have the IQ to notice as well, I have a challenge for you.

>"We need to stop companies from importing Indian workers"

Then you are a Socialist.

1. Companies want to freely hire who they want, right now,, that's Indians.
2. You want the government to stop companies from freely hiring who they want
3. This directly make a Socialist.

Simple. No need for rage and insults, no need for paragraphs of mental gymnastics to pretend that LITERAL Central Planning acktually is "Capitalism".

Be consistent. Be a man and say it with your full chest and stop pretending. You have exactly two (2) choices: say "I choose Socialism so that we can stop the flow of immigrant workers." OR say "I choose Capitalism, allow the corperations to hire who they wish."

Seething and deflection will be taken as concession.

>>518831726 (OP)
>Be consistent
It's not 2005 anymore. Primitive shaming bullshit doesn't work now, not even on my boomer mom. Let alone the idiotic dichotomy. If you want to make it about races: 4% Whites. Anything goes now to prevent extinction.

>>518832083
This. Death to ZOG.

>>518832083
>Anything goes now to prevent extinction.
Yes. I agree. IF you ACTUALLY think that, then you must root out the causes for our extinction.

The MAIN cause is corperations wanting increased profits, and immigration is THE best way to do that. BlackRock is TELLING YOU that's what theyre doing but you cant see it.

>>518832171
Yes. Thats the reason I am making this thread.

>>518831726 (OP)
Companies lobby the government to allow them to bring in Temporary Foreign Workers by arguing "we will go out of business if you don't let us". Therefore the government allowing them to bring in migrant workers is like bailing out that company. If the company can't survive without imported labour then they should go out of business.

>>518831726 (OP)
Its called national socialism you stupid retarded jew its when you kill the rich globalists and their left usefull idiot multiculti "world citizens" slaves so as to protect the native conservative proletariaat (the people who create the actual labour not woke middle manager HR faggots petty bourg or gigarich) from being exploited. Liberals believe the same as their rich masters, open borders for all, hate for national flag, economic zone instead of border nation, disintegration of a central culture, infinite immigration and in the netherlands AZC workcamps for said migrants, destruction of the family unit etc etc etc. they both need to be fully eradicated. Not one or the other lmfao the master and its slave

>>518833467
If you are a priviliged upper middle class suburb living ass never worked manual labour ever highly educated person you are not nor can ever be the proletariaat

>ideology
>freedom
>consistency
All made up accidental bullshit that only exists in your head and won't matter one iota the moment that you die, if not long before that. A means to an end at best. Race is qualitatively more important than them.
"Blood is thicker than water"

>>518831726 (OP)
>its capitalism to import the 3rd world into your 1st world country
These motherfuckers are going to end up bringing back crucifixion

>>518831726 (OP)
violins is the only way furward

something something roads and rural electricity
if you make the definition of socialism "Any active measure taken by the government" nearly every american is and has always been a socialist

>>518831726 (OP)
I would choose zero immigration and a mostly free market system.

>>518831726 (OP)
>muh ideology
You have to be over 18 to use this website.

>>518831726 (OP)
Lickspittle. Maggot

>>518831726 (OP)
Socialism doesn't mean "the government telling companies who they can hire". It means the abolition of the capitalist mode of production that divides the society between people who do all the work, and people who take the fruits of their labor.
Retard.

>>518831726 (OP)
>global free market requires free trade of human labor which necessitates immigration
>illegal immigration is just black market immigration
>mfw
So was he evil, stupid, or both?

It fascinates me how the retards who love Friedman use the very
same clips to show what a genius he was that high-IQ people use to show he was an imbecile.

>>518831726 (OP)
they qualify for those benefits now

>>518834965
>high-IQ people
such as?

>>518831726 (OP)
Fuck off kike, if you want jeets so bad then get israel to accept the jeets.

>>518831726 (OP)
yes.
I am a socialist.
I would challenge you to debate me on that kulak

>>518831726 (OP)
I want my government to stop offering tax incentives on hiring thirdies, what does that make me

>>518835522
anti-free market

>>518835081
Well, I actually meant over 90 points of IQ

>>518831726 (OP)
>Then you are a Socialist
Okay

>>518834723
Both

>>518831726 (OP)
>it's socialism to protect your nation from degradation driven by outside interests
You might be retarded.
The "might" is sarcasm.

>>518836422
is it still sarcasm if you point out that its sarcasm in the same sentence?

>>518831726 (OP)
It's actually globalism and is the end result of libertarianism, that even libertarians advocated against. It's kind of like economic communism with with mass migrations to whoever's shitting out the most Vbucks

>>518831726 (OP)
That guy's jewish, ofcourse he'd say that

>>518831726 (OP)
Companies can hire all the Indians they want, in India.

>>518831726 (OP)
Incorrect, I am a civic nationalist and distributist. Economic activity must primarily be by citizens, for citizens. Property must be distributed, not hoarded by either private or State interests. The middle class of those born here must be maximized. All other nations are well within their rights to enact similar policy.

>>518831726 (OP)
>Then you are a Socialist.
i dont care about your stupid opinions that are wrong, total jeet death now

>>518831726 (OP)
I agree.
Milton makes a point though.
If all immigration became defatco legal only we would have zero immigration from brownoid places.

Milton was indeed a kike but I remember when the went to the treasury dept and turned off the money Printer with the emergency stop button without permission and basically said that in the few seconds the printer was not running he actively halted inflation.

Unwittingly or wittingly pointing out that banks are the true enemy of the people.

>>518832256
If increasing immigration increases profits, then why did Germanys profits increase when they kicked out yids?

You have 5 minutes to amuse me with your mental gymnastics.

>>518836814
They had an excellent work program
almost 100% employment by force at all times until they succumbed to a global force to stop them.

remember every citizen of germany became a union member with all of the benefits and obligation until death or national collapse.

>>518836924
Kek. You didn't disappoint with your lies.

>>518836984
It's true though.
they had an amazing work program I with they would employ here.

The only issue with Germany's strategy was they needed to build up global power BEFORE showing their hand.

Unfortunately Poland forced them to with the whole Danzig issue.

>>518831726 (OP)
Evolution will lead to neither capitalism nor socialism.

Our problems arise from living style, which is not based on reality.

Biomimeric competition or extinction.
Not "money," not control of resourcesm

>>518831726 (OP)
>You want to stop the companies from selling child porn and having child sex slaves.
>You must be a Socialist
OP is a faggot.

>>518831726 (OP)
I choose Socialism so that we can stop the flow of immigrant workers.

>>518837071
It's not true. Profits soared before the war forced 100% employment. You lied because it destroys your premise. That companies bring immigrants because it increases profits. This is not true. They bring immigrants because it destroys the nation.

>>518831726 (OP)
I am a National Socialist, what's your fucking point? Do you think this is a bunch of retarded boomers on facebook or something?

>>518837265
Yeah because the German gov pumped almost 30% of their GDP into aeronautics and rocketry.

A very smart move since it was not covered by the whole Versailles bullshit.

Look I'm not being deceitful or negating you. Hitler was a fine man who unfortunately was let down by the bad leadership around him, and the inevitable unity of the slave nations yoked by interest.

There are like 5 companies dude

>>518831726 (OP)
Immigration policy has nothing to do with any economic system. Fuck off Kike.

>>518831726 (OP)
A special government program that bypasses the normal citizenship process that benefits the companies is somehow "capitalist?" It's not. I find it amusing that the "it's not true communist" people will tell you it's "true capitalism" when capitalism "fails?"

>>518831726 (OP)
>Companies want to freely hire who they want, right now,
*using a government program, namely, H1B.
FTFY. Ur welcome.

>>518831726 (OP)
You're misunderstanding the relationship between business and the people/government.

You have you capitalist freedom to open your own business and run it the way you want, but that doesn't also give you the right to pour toxic chemicals down your train; or to burn toxic chemicals outside where it can blow on your neighbors. Instead, your actions are limited to those which do not take away the rights of others.

Same thing here, but on a national level. There are strategic and national interests which require an entire re-thinking of the way that domestic and international trade are conducted.

>>518832083
>4% Whites.
Nah

>>518832083
Unfathomably based

>>518831726 (OP)
I don't give a fuck about the "freedom" to destroy and niggify ourselves. Also if you're not enraged by the destruction of your race and culture, you deserve to be killed. No system other than modern liberalism has allowed "freedom" to this insane degree. Not the ancient Romans, not Christendom Europe, not the early USA, not Nazi Germany, not post WW2 USA. Why do you think that is, you worthless trash? Your jewish individualism, atomization, and globalist "freedom" is nothing more than social parasitism. Sacrificing your own people and everything they built for endless profit. I choose curing the West of the infestation of kikery, niggerdom, and every other form of faggotry that's taken us from the heights of civilization to the bottom of the barrel in less than three generations. "No need for rage" lmao okay faggot ass globalist, good luck suppressing the rage that's forming in the hearts of the real men who are very close to being done with your ilk. Just one or two more good pushes, one more Iryna, and it's over for you, finally.

>>518836814
They were socialists dumbass

>>518838717
>will tell you it's "true capitalism" when capitalism "fails?"
So what, if it fails it wasn't capitalism ?
What a cope

>>518831726 (OP)
>illegal immigration
noooo
noo you must call them undocumented oppressed and marginalized black and brown bodies of color

>>518831726 (OP)
Miggers can't into logic, so this won't work on them. It's probably for the best that they can't be reformed. Anybody still crying "muh socialism/communism" isn't the kind of white stock we want to rebuild society with after the kikes and niggers have destroyed everything.

>>518839075
>You have you capitalist freedom to open your own business and run it the way you want,
Right
>but that doesn't also give you the right to pour toxic chemicals down your train; or to burn toxic chemicals outside where it can blow on your neighbors.
Wrong
>Instead, your actions are limited to those which do not take away the rights of others.
Also wrong
If it's not illegal or if the government will tolerate it you absolutely have the right

>>518836814
You retarded amerifat. Why would you think using the success of a white socialist state would be an effective argument in a thread advocating for white socialism?

>>518831726 (OP)
Milton (((Friedman))) was a Jew

>>518839637
It's not a cope. You just have a reading comprehension problem and not understanding the context.

retard name name name dna reparation
race definition
color definition
iq definition

>>518831726 (OP)
>Then you are a Socialist.
Yes - of the national type.
>This directly make a Socialist.
Incorrect. All economics is based on a fixed amount of labour. Immigration distorts the market.
>You have exactly two (2) choices: say "I choose Socialism so that we can stop the flow of immigrant workers." OR say "I choose Capitalism
I choose Nationalism

>>518834447
Thank you for continuing to prove the average American is just a thoughtless waif constantly pushed by inconsistent jewish media manipulation.

>>518831726 (OP)

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>>518840001
>an effective COUNTERargument

>>518831726 (OP)
Ok, so what do you call the people who tell us we can't buy Russian oil or north korean.. whatever the fuck they sell?
It has nothing to do with socialism, it's called protectionism. There's nothing wrong with favoring the long term welfare of your own citizens over short term financial savings. If I have to pay another dollar for a phone, it's worth it to keep jeets out of my country and keep my family members safe from being raped or having to step in human shit.

>>518831726 (OP)
This is retarded
Everyone has different opinions for different things that happen to fall under retarded categorizations people invented and now use to shame others. You're not high IQ if you're incapable of thinking past a single word

>>518831726 (OP)
If you need to label everything so your brain can handle different stances on different topics then you are in fact a retard.

>>518840189
It's a cope because immigration and outsourcing are the key features of capitalism and allowing whatever benefits the big donors is a core tenet of democracy.
You are plain stupid, sorry

>step out front door
>see corporate logos and hindus
>that's it
>until I die
surely there was more to life than this for someone in some earlier time

>>518831726 (OP)
Fuck off Ranjeesh

>>518840403
It diminishes the corporations' profit though, why would they agree to it.

>>518840325
I'm sorry that you ESLs need everything to be contextually spelled out for you.

>>518840449
If you want to have a conversation but you don't understand the meaning of words you should be killed

>>518831726 (OP)
>>518840449
As an example:
I would legalize prostitution, but ban OnlyFans and revoke women's rights.
I would support white worker rights but deport/genocide shitskins.
I would allow fags and troons but ban them from marrying or having children.
Etc etc, many more examples, life is not black or white you dumb fuck.

>>518840452
You really are stupid aren't you? So tell me how is a special government program called the H-1B visa that bypasses the normal citizenship process that makes those workers indentured servants capitalism? If this was true capitalism there wouldn't be a special program like that. Same thing with the government bailouts because in a true capitalist system those businesses would be allowed to collapse. Next time before commenting on something maybe you should READ the ENTIRE post. But it's not your fault really you do come from a very poor country.

>>518840603
>Gets corrected in his only language by an ESL
>Thinks pointing out that I'm an ESL is somehow a good comeback or some kind of an own
You are an imbecile

>>518840699
Excuse me? I understand the words very well but labeling it like that is idiotic. By OP's retarded view I would be a social-libertarian-democra-republica-imperial-national-centrist. It's beyond stupid looking at it that way.

>>518840865
No you don't understand words. Your comments prove it. And you have a reading comprehension problem too.

>>518831726 (OP)
>voting for the government to do stuff is socialist
K pal

>>518840783
>No UR stupid
Kek cretin
>So tell me how is a special government program called the H-1B visa that bypasses the normal citizenship process that makes those workers indentured servants capitalism?
Capitalism wants labor as cheap as possible and if they can import workers they will, no conflict with capitalism whatsoever
>If this was true capitalism there wouldn't be a special program like that.
Wrong, they would want cheap labor
>Same thing with the government bailouts because in a true capitalist system those businesses would be allowed to collapse.
You're moving goalposts now. Immigration is a very capitalist thing

>>518831726 (OP)
Nothing stopping the company from going to india and selling to indian
This would solve the problem entirely

>>518840959
Sure thing hernandez, better hide well before ICE comes a knockin' kekw

>>518841046
>Immigration is a very capitalist thing
yes
emigration is more common under socialism
at least, when people can get past the barbed wire

>>518840865
>I understand the words very well but labeling it like that is idiotic.
It's not but OP might be incorrect and you may propose different explanation, that's why we have the thread. It's called a discussion but you're a Balkan ape who only understands war and yelling

>>518840582
>why would they agree to it.
The founding documents protect the people, not corporations.

>>518841046
Again, it's not capitalism since they are benefiting from direct government intervention that generally benefits a few companies that can afford it. If this was true capitalist system there would be no government intervention or special benefits. Again you have a reading comprehension problem.

>>518841126
Rich coming from place that has some much diversity. Sure thing Mr. Bosnia.

>>518841198
How many Western Europeans emigrated since capitalism was invented

>>518841209
I literally explained it quite well you retarded faggot, go read it again dumbo.

>>518841224
Post the document

>>518841251
that's true
the system they're calling capitalism is widely a mixed-market internationalist system—mixed to varying degrees, but always mixed to some degree—which has little to do with codified free market capitalism; it's certainly not a free market, and it's nowhere near the pure laissez-faire capitalism of something like Objectivism

I’m surprised there is still commie shills out here they get more stupid by the fuckin year. Kid you’ll grow out of your stupid phase. You have to be 18 to post here. Must be wild living in the Reddit bubble all your life fuckin retards

>>518841320
Or when certain countries in a certain area of the world that decided to kill each other because there was too much diversity. Difference in that in a capitalist system people can create their own businesses and live there own lives instead of being to gulags.

>>518841314
You cant even speak proper english lmao, jeet or latinx, whatever the fuck you are no one is buying your retarded leftoid cope. High IQ people don't think in labels, they don't go "oh i like worker rights, gotta support Lenin now!" it's for retards like you and that croshit so your retard brains can comprehend things.

>>518831726 (OP)
mass migration is just third worlders as scabs and the socialism angle about muh hecking racism is just meant to stop you from complaining about it

>>518841386
My initial point in OP's argument is what the commies always say in that when communism fails it is not "true communism." But when capitalism fails according to these commies "it's true capitalism" or when those business get bailouts from the government according to these same commies it is "true capitalism."

>>518841320
capitalism wasn't invented, if we define it as private ownership over the means of production—whether that be a factory, a workshop, a smithy, a loom, etc.—private ownership thereof is simply the default state of affairs
note how most of those historical means of production predate even mercantilism, and yet were privately-owned
private ownership is natural, and capitalism by this broad definition arose emergently, rather than by design

>>518831726 (OP)
I choose small government racism. Gimme that.

>>518841562
yes, I understood that
you're turning their own argument around on them to point out their sophistry and hypocrisy

>>518841251
>it's not capitalism since they are benefiting from direct government intervention that generally benefits a few companies that can afford it.
Sounds literally like capitalism. The government doesn't meddle in their business though and the immigration is approved by the democratically elected leaders. Funny how commie CCP is directly involved in companies yet they don't do this kek.
>If this was true capitalist system there would be no government intervention or special benefits.
It would if the government is subservient to corporations which is the ultimate goal of capitalism.
>Capitalism seeks profit
>Subjugating the government to work for capitalists' interest maximizes the profit
Capitalistic As fuck

>>518841525
Dude you can't even capitalize properly and you are telling me I can't "speak" which you said say "write" proper English. I feel bad for you. I mean after all you guys over there with all that diversity and then you guys decided to kill each other. I have a feeling that you're probably the biggest mutt in this thread.

>>518831726 (OP)
I would be fine with that if it meant abolishing minimum wage and regulations. But so long as those exist American citizens don't get to compete with immigrants on an even playing field. In reality, the political landscape is complicated and not as simple as you libertarian faggots believe.

>>518841330
You explained nothing, you jumped into the thread and sperged out at OP for naming things kek retard

>>518831726 (OP)
Yes
I am a National Socialist

>>518831726 (OP)
I have no allegiances or loyalty to any economic system. If being against jews raping my country is called homosexualism then I am a homosexualist

>>518841704
except we have mixed-market economies, in the West, in the East—and not capitalist ones—and there's no debating that
it doesn't matter what it "sounds literally like" to you, because they are mixed-markets
look it up

>>518841704
Democratically elected leaders that take special bribes from direct intervention from the businesses? No sorry that is not capitalism. That's not the "invisible hand." You keep contradicting yourself and you continue to miss the context of everything here.

>>518831726 (OP)
>Socialist
I am - a national socialist

now fuck off jew

>>518841428
You're not an American though, you talk like a low level ESL

>>518831726 (OP)
If they want to hire indians, move the entire business to india. No connection to the states.

>>518841746
Stop replying to me, your idiocy is insulting and draining. I told you how it is and plain and simple explained how stupid you are. That's it from me, I shall not be replying to any further retarded replies from you save this one.

>>518841907
I hate to break it to you but that's you. At least the ESL part.

>>518841791
I will say it one more time then:
Putting choices in a neat box is stupid. Why? Because most people can have opinions ranging from a socialist to an imperialist, how will you label it then? It's pointless and time wasting, OP's assertion itself was so stupid that the only reply possible was to tell him it's stupid. Get it now? Or are you braindead like him?

>>518841704
>muh government intervention
>capitalism

You’re a fucking retard.

>>518841577
>capitalism
>by this broad definition
You could also say that a society in which people help each other, have parks that are not privately owned and give their citizens healthcare and education are "by broad definition" communist and that communism was the original state of things.
The problem is that "le broad definitions" are retarded so good job my dude

>>518831726 (OP)
>Milton Friedman
>capitalism
You fucking Keynesian. You guys are worse than the Marxists, at least they're honest about hating free markets and capitalism.

>>518831726 (OP)
Kys jeet

>>518831726 (OP)
Always was

>>518841704
>the ultimate goal of capitalism
Capitalism is just the private ownership of the means of production(land, labor, and capital) as opposed to socialism which is the public(state) ownership of means of production. The goal of most proponents of either system is the welfare of the people.

>>518831726 (OP)
The problem is excess regulations on what people can do here to even start a business. Once the big businesses are built up they can put all of the little businesses, out of business with regulations backed by crooked politicians. The alternative is commie work camps without pay, so its 6 to one, half a dozen to the other.

>>518831726 (OP)
No, it just mean you care a little bit about national security instead of being greedy sack of shit and not care about industrial spies and foreign recruitment.

>>518842144
>have parks that are not privately owned and give their citizens healthcare and education are "by broad definition" communist
those aspects are broadly socialist (in the non-Marxian sense) and I would call them that
there's nothing retarded about that
now a society which had socialised healthcare and education, and publicly-owned parks, but also allowed for private enterprise and ownership, would be classified as a mixed-market; it would have some aspects of capitalism, and some aspects of socialism
again, nothing retarded about that: that's the exact definition of the term

it's not improper to classify private ownership as broadly capitalistic, precisely when so many definitions of the opposing ideology (but not all) explicitly forbid it
private ownership is broadly capitalistic, and broadly defines capitalism

now you tell me why you think that's retarded, without resorting to false equivalences
because you won't win

>>518831726 (OP)
False Dichotomy

>>518841869
>Democratically elected leaders that take special bribes from direct intervention from the businesses? No sorry that is not capitalism.
It literally is.
>The leaders ARE democratically elected, you literally voted for Trump
>You knew upfront he's paid by various interest groups
>He was carried to victory by the richest man in the world FOR FUCK'S SAKE
>You cheered for it thinking Daddy Elon will save the white race
>The "bribes" are legal and openly declared, therefore it's not a bribe, it's a donation
>Elon did it to MAXIMIZE THE PROFIT because he's a CAPITALIST
Of course, you are a retard who didn't know what he's voting for but guys like you are the core tenet of democracy

>>518835010
Yeah, the numbers were pretty different when Milton said this. Plus the implication that it was only good if it was illegal is hiding a whole lot of implications. It there's enough of them and each gen shits out exponential number of anchors that *aren't* illegal: you get what we have today. The difference between poison and medicine is often the dosage.

>>518841804
>and there's no debating that
Except there is, I just did and you have no arguments against it

>>518837093
Great, ANOTHER cult to deal with.

>>518842144
Except none of that is the original state of things. Public parks, education, etc can only be provided by the state.

>>518842007 Does this look like a native speaker wrote it: >>518841428
>Or when certain countries in a certain area of the world that decided to kill each other because there was too much diversity.
>Difference in that in a capitalist system people can create their own businesses and live there own lives instead of being to gulags.

>>518834723
He's a jew, so evil.

>waaaah mr goldberg needs the budget cuts! he already killed his last child sex slave by raping her to death and draining her blood!

Low birth rates sounds like a problem for blackrock and wef kikes, the average American doesn't give a shit

>>518834723
I'm leaning more towards stupid than evil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AenYS193mSI

>>518842611
you're arguing what? that the majority of Western countries (I presume) operate under pure capitalism?
here's my counter-argument:
labour unions, worker's rights, minimum wage, welfare, progressive taxation, public healthcare, social security, subsidies, public education, regulations, antitrust, collective bargaining, environmental standards, price controls, public ownership of utilities or natural monopolies, privatisation, state intervention, unemployment benefits, pensions, infrastructure spending

they are mixed markets whether you like it or not, and your retort to the above thus far has been "well it sounds like capitalism to me"
you are a blithering idiot

>>518842057
>In CCP the government intervenes into economy for the benefit of China
That's communism
>In America the government intervenes into economy for the benefit of corporations and short term profit even if it destroys the country
That's capitalism

>>518842940
>In CCP the government intervenes into economy for the benefit of China
>That's communism
at its most flattering, it's State Capitalism, and if we're being honest about 21st century China, it's National Socialism with Chinese characteristics
it's not Marxism-Leninism, it's not Maoism, not even Deng Xiaoping Theory

>>518842940
You dumb fuck lol, bet it's nice to be so stupid you can simplify everything. I am done with this thread, it was idiotic from the start.
OP your pathetic attempt at gaining new recruits was sad, and to you cro I hope you get a brain one day and escape the black/white thinking.

>>518842376
>Capitalism is just the private ownership of the means of production
No, there's more.
Capitalism is after profit above all and it doesn't give a shit about the welfare of the workers, they used to exploit and even kill them and beat them in the 19th century America

>>518831726 (OP)
Friedman always said you CANNOT have free immigration with a welfare state.

OP

IS BAIT

>>518843092
And socialism used to deliberately starve people to death. But neither of these systems are defined this way.

>>518842424
>now you tell me why you think that's retarded,
Because you claim capitalism is the natural state of things "by broad definition" yet I showed you that "by broad definition" communism is the natural state of things as well and "+by broadening any definition you can make anything natural.
Broaden the definition of a woman and you have men in women's sports.
Is that retarded ? Yes or no.

>>518840809
You didn't correct anything. Is a counterargument not simply a subset of arguments? You merely increased the specificity unnecessarily. Brevity is the soul of wit.

>>518843163
That's literally what he says in OP's webm, retard. Friedman was wrong about a lot, like saying immigrants do jobs Americans aren't willing to do.

>>518831726 (OP)
If you have a high enough IQ you will notice the chinese are the biggest fucking pussies on the planet. Niggers deserve more respect.

>>518842884
>you're arguing what? that the majority of Western countries (I presume) operate under pure capitalism?
No, just America therefore you can discard the rest of your post because it doesn't apply over there

>>518831726 (OP)
The essence of his scam is simple

he sexes up wealth

don't you want WEALTH?

but he doesn't tell you that to sacrifice all to that wealth is to gain only infinity of poverty and infinity faggotry.

>>518843279
>yet I showed you that "by broad definition" communism is the natural state of things as well
No you didn't >>518842709

>>518843092
I have a nicer life than you, even in a "Capitalist economy"
why?
because Capitalism as an ideology does NOT put profit first; it puts competition and self-interest first—i.e. it accounts for fundamental evolutionary impulses inherent in human behaviour—competition being the reason why my life is nicer than yours
you're looking at it on the level of an individual business, rather than as an economic ideology applied across an entire society, and you're thus fundamentally misunderstanding it
whilst an individual business might well put their profits first, often for short-term gain at a long-term cost, that doesn't guarantee them success in a Capitalist economy

competition is precisely why the Soviets gave up on the domestic design of computer chips, and resorted to stealing and cloning Western designs to even TRY to maintain parity, which they could not
there was simply no incentive to be better under Communism
Capitalism is defined in contrast to Marxism by the degree to which it does not attempt to fight nature's inherent self-interest and competition

>>518843071
>China is not the real communism it's AKSHULLY state capitalism (which is literally communism)
But at the same time
>The West isn't capitalist at all it's akshully communism
You're dumb
>>518843090
How are Balkanoids going to move forward when any discussion throws you into rage

>>518831726 (OP)
every single time

>>518843248
>And socialism used to deliberately starve people to death.
So did capitalism but communism did it for the benefit of the state (industrialization and collectivization) and capitalism did it for short time profit

>>518843340
Not at all, he said illegal unsubsidized labor is beneficial. Once they were legalized, overhead costs explode, you liar.
This is not the case now, he made the speech before tons of "common law" forced illegals into schooling, welfare, etc.

>>518831726 (OP)
Nope.

>>518843587
Yes, (((Socialism))) and (((Capitalism))) is jewish.
But Capitalism is the Marxist strawman.

>>518843565
>The West isn't capitalist at all it's akshully communism
I said it's a 'mixed-market' actually, and it is
are you so unfamiliar with the term you thought by that I meant 'communism'?
no
by 'mixed-market' I meant 'mixed-market'
please, look the term up if you're so uneducated

you shouldn't really be wading in with your opinions if you know so little, and all you have in your armoury are these sophistic little straw men
it's pathetic, and it's why you people are losing so much ground to the right; you can only ever argue in bad faith, and everybody hates you for it

you're a typical leftist: a liar, a manipulator, and underneath it all, I know you're an unhappy little psychopath

>>518843739
Just watch the webm you fucking retard. He says exactly what you're saying.

>>518843670
Communism is still jewish, you know how?
They avoided LABOURISM.

>>518831726 (OP)
companies are not "freely hiring," they are getting a goverment subsidy that I pay with my tax dollars dressed in h1 visa

you also misunderstand what economic socialism is, bc you are against capitalism and see them as oppositions on a spectrum rather than the left and right wings of the jew to weaponize against the goy

>>518843388
>Can only be provided by the state
Or the tribe
Who owned the land in pre colonial North America ?
>How can you buy or sell the sky, the warmth of the land? The idea is strange to us.

>If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them from us[?]
See ? Communism is the default state (by le broad definition)
You deflect though.
Is broadening the definition of a woman to include men into women's sports stupid ? Yes or no.

>>518843541
>I have a nicer life than you
Why do you think that ?

>>518831726 (OP)
>>518832256
I've come to the same conclusion on the root cause of our extinction. It's really simple, it's human greed. Human greed and the desire to accumulate infinite levels of wealth and power have transcended tribalism/racial loyalty. The instinct of greed which has allowed our species to propagate itself and succeed is now suffocating it.

Rich assholes, putting wealth and power above all else, import millions of immigrants in order to enrich themselves through cheaper labor and weakened worker's rights. It's that simple. For a board full of retards blaming Jews for everything, they just can't make that connection that it's wealthy people doing the damage, and that Jews just tend to be wealthier because they're smarter.

There is no intelligent discussion on this board. I don't even know why I come here any more. It's just incoherent, screeching, dumb retarded deranged animals like this: >>518835217 who just screech and cry and never have any critical thought. They see something they disagree with and call the person a jew/indian and call it a day. You would have a more interesting political discussion with a toddler.

>>518843541
your streets are full of niggers and shitskins

your opinion is void

>>518831726 (OP)
>they don't qualify for benefits if they're illegal
God, I wish that were true

>>518844115
(((Capitalism))) is a jewish strawman.
It was always about private property, markets, torts, and how those are legislated.

>>518842940
The US isn't capitalist and hasn't been for a long time. The current economic system in the US would be fascism as Mussolini defined it. Capitalism is not actively practiced in any major country in the world right now.

>>518844161
>Rich assholes
>Jews
now you're getting somewhere

>>518843827
Explain to me what is State Capitalism
>Capitalism - means of production are owned by a private entrepreneur
>State Capitalism - means of the production are owned by ... state ?
If that's not communism then SSSR wasn't communism either and - kek - real communism hasn't been tried

>>518844242
>fascism as Mussolini defined it

don't threaten me with a good time

>>518844381
Shares weren't allowed to be freely sold or made at all, yes, it was tried and it was a failure.

>>518844249
Yes, but you're missing the overall point of my post.

>>518844161
correct, we have become homo economicus
just soulless bugs competing for tokens in a rigged casino

>>518844402
Are you having a good time? Are you enjoying the fruits of fascism? Because I would personally just like to have capitalism instead.

>>518844242
>The US isn't capitalist and hasn't been for a long time.
US is the ultimate capitalism. Capitalists went beyond controlling the workers, now they bought the whole government and the government is working for them

>>518844115
>Or the tribe
>Who owned the land in pre colonial North America
"The tribe" is either a private entity or a state that owns the land.
>How can you buy or sell the sky, the warmth of the land? The idea is strange to us.
>If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them from us
Ok, so if I decide to build my house on that land and start to consume large amounts of water from the stream, no one has a right to stop me since no one owns it, right?

>>518842940
Government has ZERO hand in the market for capitalism to work. You know this, right?

>>518844577
(((capitalism))) is the jewish strawman to socialism. Marx did it on purpose.
The Chinese and Russians understand this the most.

>>518831726 (OP)
>1. Companies want to freely hire who they want, right now,, that's Indians.
>companies run the nation

>>518844161
>There is no intelligent discussion on this board. I don't even know why I come here any more. It's just incoherent, screeching, dumb retarded deranged animals
Maybe you should go back to Plebbit then

>>518833467
Kikes brainwashed 4 generations of goyim into believing that this point of view was IMPOSSIBLE to have

>>518844661
>Government has ZERO hand in the market for capitalism to work. You know this, right?

is this bait?

who is going to adjudicate property disputes, who is going to enforce torts?

>>518844161
I agree with the spirit of what you're saying but I think it's mistaken to make the matter one of human nature. Greed has always existed but it's rarely been as socially self-destructive as it is now. Even some modern societies, like China, manage to retain ethno-national loyalty. It's more to do with the system we've designed and how it encourages and protects greedy behavior.

Subconsciously I think we all assume profit implies social benefit somehow. The next development in public consciousness will probably the realization that most economic activity is genuinely meaningless.

>>518831726 (OP)
Well yeah, illegal immigration of afghanistanis into Israel would be beneficial.

>>518844381
do I really have to spoon feed you, like a little baby?
>The label "state capitalism" is used by various authors in reference to a private capitalist economy controlled by a state, i.e. a private economy that is subject to economic planning and interventionism.
>Alternatively, state capitalism may refer to an economic system where the means of production are privately owned, but the state has considerable control over the allocation of credit and investment.
you see how both of these apply to China? where private industry is allowed, but is also subject to heavy-handed intervention by the state, and wherein much industry is also DIRECTLY controlled by the state, alongside privately-owned businesses in the same sector?
that's not Communism; it's State Capitalism

however, the other side is that there's a Socialist aspect to China's economy as well, which is largely Han ethno-nationalist in character
hence me making the argument that whilst it is broadly State Capitalist from an economic perspective, the combination of State Capitalism with emergent militarism, the creation of geopolitical power structures (in the form of 'debt traps'), rapid armament, and a strong ethno-nationalistic base centred around the Han people, make it analogous in form to National Socialism
i.e. Socialism sans Internationalism; nationalistic ethno-socialism

so I'll repeat: at the most flattering, China is State Capitalist according to the definition of the term, but more accurately, it's National Socialism with Chinese characteristics
what it is not is precisely what you claim it is: Marxist-Leninist

I don't feel like you're holding your own in this debate; I don't feel challenged by you at all
you come across like an imbecile

>>518844636
>Deflects again
So you concede. I thought you said I won't win.
Your concession is accepted

>>518831726 (OP)
>Then you are a Socialist.
A National Socialist.
Today OP was a fucking retard that is completely ignorant of history and economic policies of the NSDAP.
And we don't need a JEW to tell us illegals DON'T get welfare benefits.

Also Indians are genetic trash.

>>518844747
Is not being able to have an intelligent discussion something to be proud of to you?

>>518844661
>Government has ZERO hand in the market for capitalism to work.
Tell me when this was actually the case

>>518844754
>b-but muh regulations!

Who said capitalism was about regulations???

>>518836422
Bro even Marx wrote that immigration was bad and that sgitskins need to stay in their own country and fix it (with socialism)

>>518831726 (OP)
Sounds jewish and retarded. I dont listen to kikes. Kill yourself nigger

>>518831726 (OP)
The immigrants they bring in they want them on American tax payer welfare systems. Housing vouchers, free medical, snap food benefits. Doesn't that make the corporations that hire them Socialist? Also there's like 2 different vices companies will play against.

If you are a republican they will advocate for Laze Fair systems.
These systems they are allowed to pollute as much as they want, disregard the public commons, and exploit people, cut safety standards get people hurt and not be held responsible.

OR
The companies want you to be a socialist.
They want the goverment to give them money for existing, they want as many rules and regulations; but only the rules and regulations that stifle competition, none of the rules that hurt their business interests.

NO! We are a constitutional republic. We are an intelligent collective designed not to get ass raped by sheer chaos, or get ass raped by sheer state control. The point is to efficiently encourage healthy competition; so that we can increase the quality of life for as many people as possible while rewarding intelligent, hard work. We don't want communism that offers us the world ; and gives us nothing. We don't want Laze fair that offers us freedom; but just gives the elites more free reign to abuse us. We want a system by the people for the people that works in everyone's best interests.

Be aware the extremism of the far left, and the far right. Both are ploys to centralize power.

>>518845039
he's right
if there's any intervention, it's by definition not pure capitalism
ergo if an economy isn't working well which isn't pure capitalism, how can we blame pure capitalism when the economy isn't an example of pure capitalism in practice?

he's not saying it was ever the case, and whether it was or wasn't is wholly irrelevant to his argument
you didn't understand his argument, or even his words
>Tell me when this was actually the case
is not a counter-argument
it's goalpost-shifting and deflection

>>518844610
You're retarded. Capitalism is free markets, the US doesn't have free markets. Pull your head out of your ass and stop telling other people what they believe. It just makes it clear what a goddamn fucking moron you are. You are trying to use some retarded commie strawman definition of capitalism.

>>518845252
I don't get it, there has to be a mechanism to enforce shares, just as there has to be a mechanism to enforce banknotes.

>>518844959
You're the one trying to deflect with this tranny nonsense. You're unable to answer your own question of who owns the land in the natural state.

>>518844942
>You totally own the means of production
>Except you can't sell them, offshore them or do anything with it unless CCP approves
>CCP will only approve it if it serves China and your personal benefit is of no concern to us
>If you oppose it we might nationalize your means of production and even kill you
>But if you toe the party line you'll be rich and we'll heavily invest in your company (but that means we are co owners now)
>Other than that you totally own your company bro
You're fucking stupid

>>518845345
The market has never been perfect but adding government to the market has never been and never will be capitalism. It is what it is. “Capitalism” isn’t “good” or “bad”.

>>518845345
>a mechanism to enforce banknotes
you mean gold?
and if promissory notes for that gold are issued privately, why would those notes not be 'enforced' privately also?
you literally cannot imagine a world without government intervention?

>>518844979
Yes, I used to have conversations but I act mostly on impulse now

>>518845434
>what is mercantilism

that's what it is.

>>518845252
>Real capitalism has never been tried

>>518844942
NS implies a specific racialised historicism, like an ethnic analog to Marx's class struggle generating social evolution. China is ethno-nationalist yes, but I don't believe they ideologically interpret the world in this way. Their nationalism more closely resembles that of European countries around the Enlightenment, especially with the restrictions on local dialects and customs.

>>518844797
You do bring up an interesting point. China does appear to retain some ethnonational loyalty, even in modern times. I do have a few counterarguments.

1. I might argue that this could in part be because wages in China are already low. Wages may be cheap enough that it isn't even worth replacing the workforce.
2. China is (with some debate) a socialist country. China retaining ethnonationalist loyalty substantiates the OP's claim on socialism
3. China being more authoritarian does complicate things with the influence of the wealthy on politics and policy. I don't know much about China to really say much.

Even if we don't necessarily agree, thanks for making an actually intellectually engaging post.

>>518845434
yes, you're describing the exact type of considerable control wielded over the private sector and capital which was mentioned in the definition of State Capitalism I posted (from Wikipedia)

what point do you think you're making?
you're just highlighting that it is in fact State Capitalism, and proving yourself wrong

>>518845264
>Capitalism is free markets, the US doesn't have free markets.
What kind of markets the USA has then

>>518845487
Yes, you can keep a rare commodity. Yes, capitalism generally is about the exchange of shares of capital.

>>518845612
Regulated markets

>>518837265
>before the war forced 100% employment.
Technically you are correct, but the reason all Germans (barring the sick and elderly) weren't working was mainly just because of the Anschluss skewing numbers, Germany proper had effectively 100% workforce utilization, and that was the ideal in regards to National Socialism, they were quite against useless eaters "§A farmer has a field. It
belongs to him. And it should belong to him, for his ancestor tilled it, his fathers toiled on
it. It belongs to him as long as he tills it so that food for other citizens grows on it. But the
field must be taken from him if he leaves it fallow because he is too lazy or unambitious
to till it." ('Faith and Action', Helmut Stellrecht)

>>518845612
Modified Anglo capitalism with a large, but smaller welfare state than the UK, and numerous state owned cut outs. Lots of patronage disguised as "income transfer."

>>518845506
Okay, well, perhaps consider conversations again. You've been posting here for 2+ hours, in that time you could have constructed some engaging arguments and sharpened your mind.

>>518845408
Your concession was already accepted, you can stop now

>>518831726 (OP)
When i was younger you could go to farms and pick for money per basket even all day long if you wanted to

Then they started to import "seasonal workers" literal bus loads of Mexicans and the price they paid per baskets hit rock bottom to the point it wasn't worth doing.

Mexicans take the jobs that pay dog shit the businesses should pay a fair wage not cry saying the Mexicans will work for $1 a day why won't you ? I have to hire them or I won't make ( maximum ) profit!!!

The idiot doesn't know what he's talking about then again the 70s and 80s was an absolute boom where high wage jobs where a breeze to find so obviously nobody wanted to do manual labor hence the beaner invasions...if only they paid a higher wage to make it attractive instead of import beans and not the nation is flooded washed down and worse off but hey a few scumbags got real rich now you can have a main who rims youe ass fucks your kids after cleaning all day and have her live in youe home for pennies as the norm so white man won something

pajeets should be posting on bharatchan and living on the subcontinent

pajeets have been transplanted all over the world in unbelievable numbers. the plan is to homogenize all countries into a single mass of interchangeable, predictable, suggestible consumers whose only loyalty is to the elite and their system of puppetry. motivated not by heritage or ideology (despite all portrayals to the contrary), but by paltry shares of wealth and status in a materialistic world order in which everyone belongs equally everywhere and nowhere

>>518845610
>what point do you think you're making?
That State Capitalism is just a euphemism for Communism. You can apply that definition to the Soviet Bloc and it would work. It was only introduced because
>See ? Communism doesn't work, look at SSSR
>It works in China
>That's State Capitalism akshully
But it applies to communist countries too so
>Real communism hasn't been tried
Is apparently now a fact

>>518831726 (OP)
>>"We need to stop companies from importing Indian workers"
>
>Then you are a Socialist.
Some Canadians want to keep Canada for Canadians. Not flooded with Indians just so company owners can get cheap ass labor and sell their shit to Indians.

You fucking poojeet mother fucker get the fuck out of my country. Know that I hate you and I despise your look and smell and taste and culture. You're not welcome here.

>>518845738
>Anglo capitalism
So now there's that too, right.
You just make shit up as you go don't you

>>518831726 (OP)
Neoliberalism is a Resurrection of slavery,.hut they use different words to mask and cover it up.
Instead of slaves, they say immigrants.
It is a society of self eating and self exploitation. A class society. Where the rich ruling class endless exploits the other classes anytime and any way they want.
Liberty in neoliberalism is exactly that. To be able to do endless and unrestricted exploitation of other lower classes.

Enjoy capitalism!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0Aa4rQ9wzI

the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore

>>518845743
I did though
My impulse is smarter than your pondering

>WHAT IS A PAJEET?
the best way to define pajeet is
>descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry.

political distinctions on maps or signified by flags are false and irrelevant. everything south of the himalayas that isn't gooky-chinky is pajeet. pakistan, india, bangladesh, sri lanka are all pajeet territory. enough of nepal and bhutan are jeeted that they may as well qualify too.

all of these pajeets could stay where they belong and call themselves what they like, and nobody would disagree because nobody cares. however, because they profusely shit up the internet, and they mass migrate to shit up everyone else's homelands, they're all pajeets now. all counted together as the same thing, on the same visiting team as far as the human world is concerned.

hindu, muslim, sikh, atheist, etc; male, female, gendersexual, old, young, etc; deformed, odorless, fair & lovely, dark & deep, etc... forget all of it. none of that diversity matters once they exit designated land to race with the globalist rats. now their entire overcrowded neighborhood at the bottom of asia is known as one source of one type of trespasser: the pajeet.

>ONLY A PAJEET DISPUTES THIS DEFINITION

Every Globalist traitor needs to die

>>518844754
>who is going to adjudicate property disputes, who is going to enforce torts?
If you're actually interested in this I'd suggest reading this:
https://cdn.mises.org/Chaos%20Theory_2.pdf
>>518845612
A system where the government grants monopolies to certain corporations and funds those corporations with money stolen from the taxpayer or printed by the federal reserve. If a "business" does not need to compete and cannot go bankrupt, that's not a free market. What you choose to call it is up to you, but I call it fascism, just like Mussolini did.

EVERY PAJEET SAYS≈≈≈
>$45T stolen by britain ≈ abrahamic/desert/yahweh ≈ according to [AI chat product] ≈ actually jews are cool ≈ age of consent ≈ AI singularity/waifu ≈ aryan ≈ booba/sexo/would ≈ built for bbc ≈ can't breed ≈ capitalism ≈ ceo doctor technology ≈ chang seething ≈ cherry picking ≈ chess/spelling ≈ christcucks ≈ consent is a western concept ≈ daily reminder ≈ eglin afb is behind it ≈ elon/vance/vivek ≈ epstein files more important ≈ eugenics ≈ faustian spirit ≈ feminism/simping ≈ fentanyl ≈ full sapport for israel ≈ good morning ≈ help i'm fucking indian help me ≈ household income ≈ human capital ≈ hypergamy/[incel noises] ≈ i can pass for xyz ≈ indo-[whatever] ≈ [iq insecurity] ≈ [janny application] ≈ jesus was jewish ≈ jidf is behind it ≈ left/right/voting matters ≈ meritocracy ≈ mom/sister on onlyfans ≈ कुछ भी महत्वपूर्ण नहीं है ≈ npnw ≈ obsessed/rent-free ≈ october 7 ≈ [other ethnicity] is guilty of [pajeet thing] ≈ outcompete ≈ paganism is your real heritage ≈ [penis concern] ≈ rape ≈ [redditor noises] ≈ [report snitch squeal] ≈ reverse colonization/conquest ≈ saar ≈ send bobs/vagene ≈ slave morality ≈ state mandated [entitlement] ≈ stem skill issue ≈ stolen land ≈ stop [cars/dogs/guns/meat/etc] ≈ super gay cock crazy ≈ thanks for the rupees jidf ≈ that's a paki ≈ timmy/timmies ≈ trvth nvke ≈ voted for it ≈ where are the jannies ≈ where should i move ≈ whiter than you ≈ why are white women white people like this ≈ you need us ≈ you will be extinct ≈ you won't do shit ≈ you worship xyz ≈ zindabad

all pajeets are working for jews, including the ones who perform antisemitism and say all the things they learned to say on /pol/. they are also serving the jew agenda. how? by speaking english and living in everyone else's countries. spectre, multiculturalism, mass migration, kalergi plan. don't even bother acting like pajeets oppose jews in any way. they support jews simply by their nature, by crowding into every opening gatekeepers offer them to enter the human world and degrade it

>>518831726 (OP)
>Then you are a Socialist.
Exactly.
Capitalism is about exploitation . Because only through exploitation the capitalist can make profit.
Profit and greed is the highest forces defining the meaning of life and existence in capitalism.

>>518846144
Lol. Okay dude.

>>518846095
You just want to rationalize the word communism, cheap word thinking.
Until you ban the sales of shares, you are doing cheap word thinking.

when in doubt, try this
CLINICAL TEST QUESTION
>are you descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry?
any answer longer than "no" means yes
not answering means yes
lying means yes

>>518845579
you're talking about a Voelkische worldview, which I would argue China does have a form of, albeit one which is removed from the (as you put it) racialised historicism of Hitlerism
it begins with Mao, and they're naturally hesitant to pulls examples prior to this
but they do have "Hurting the feelings of the Chinese people", and I would argue that this is Voelkische language

when I talk about National Socialism, I'm talking about a wider category of ideologies than simply Hitlerism—I would have Nazism/Hitlerism be a subtype of the wider superset of National Socialist ideologies

an ethnonationalist, authoritarian, collectivist ideology, which economically attempts to synthesise capitalism and socialism into a novel form wherein the economy serves the people rather than the other way around, which attempts to drag up standards of living through subsidisation and state control of industry, which preaches a cult of personality centred around an ostensibly benevolent and loving dictator, and which adheres to a view of society which attempts to erode the boundaries between state, race, and individual... is National Socialism, even if it's not specifically Nazism

do you qualify for the 8/8 gr8 club?
>you are 8/8 gr8 if all eight of your great-grandparents were born in the country indicated by your flag.
join today and receive your free decoder ring!

even more anons can be in the 4/4 b4 club:
>you are 4/4 b4 if all four of your grandparents were born in the country indicated by your flag.
still pretty good. that's a start. your kids might be 8/8 if you play your genes right.

>a-ok! so then what about the 2/2 too club? what do we get if both parents were born here?
you get to keep earning your citizenship. one or more of your grandparents were immigrants. that might have been novel and cool in moderation in the 20th century, but now it just means kalergi replacement. your family should be audited for merit and kept on homeland security probation until the immigrant generation passes.

>why are grandparents the cutoff?
because most people grow up with their grandparents as elder archetypes, the living representation of their ancestry and belonging in a territory. if your grandparents came from somewhere else, you share a definitive disconnect with them as your living roots trail far away with divided memories, sensibilities and loyalties.
if you're only concerned with relatives born in your present country, then you stand to gain nothing by dismantling its foundational culture, and there's no question as to where you belong. only immigrants and their orchestrators might benefit from new societal compromises in the name of multiculturalism and DEI.

>>518846249
The endless and unrestricted exploitation can be most easily applied to illigal immigrants.

>1. shun all immigrants in daily life. not a word, not a dollar
>2. snatch down any foreign flag hanging or held in a hand
>3. never help police in their service to the foreign element
kalergi hordes of every "variety" behave like bacteria. they will not restrain themselves if they see anything up for grabs. they do not consider you a host in the sense that they are guests, but rather eager and proud parasites. control must be imposed on them by forming a barrier of rejection and atmosphere of hostility. that's what it takes. you have to lay down your foolish pride in utopian progressive multicult bullshit and SAVE YOURSELVES

>>518846015
Ok, so what gave we learned about government intervention then?

>>518831726 (OP)
I am a socialist.
Companies import foreign workers because they can get away with paying them less and treating them worse than natives, often threatening to deport them if they complain. Or to fire them, which hits foreigners even worse than citizens under a system where work visas are tied to employment and the right to change occupations or even switch companies may be restricted under immigration law.
The solution to this is not to ban migration or to tie it to employment (which restricts the rights of all workers) but to change the economy so that companies can no longer take advantage of foreign workers or use them to drive down wages.
For this reason, I propose the following reforms:
1) Only unionized companies can bring in foreign workers, and the workers must be made union members on arrival.
2) Any foreign worker who reports a violation of labor law receives immediate permanent residency, and citizenship if they desire it.

>>518846249
>Capitalism is about exploitation
No it's not.
>Because only through exploitation the capitalist can make profit.
Paying for things isn't exploitation, socialism is the use of government power to take things from people and give them to others who the government has decided deserve them more.
>Profit and greed is the highest forces defining the meaning of life and existence in capitalism.
No, capitalism is just the most efficient way of allocating resources. Allowing prices to naturally reflect what people are willing to pay is the only way to do that.

>>518846198
>that's not a free market.
There never was one, remember the Dodge Ford lawsuit, planned obsolescence (invented in America I think) and oligopolies.
"Free market" is just a buzzword that capitalists use when they know they can win in the free market game so they need some country to remove protectionism. When they start loosing on the free market they want protectionism. It's still capitalism because in both cases they are looking to maximize the profit. You are so pathetically naive that you got smitten by some idealistic self regulating magical free market idea.
>What you choose to call it is up to you, but I call it fascism, just like Mussolini did.
Fascism puts people first, Mussolini surely wouldn't put Indians or Jews before Italians. Fascism literally means being stronger in a bundle than individually. America couldn't be further from fascism, you don't know what you're talking about

>>518831726 (OP)
Yeah, no shit, I'm a national socialist. Also, if you're ok with corporations bringing in millions of pajeets, call yourself what you are - a globalist. No need for rage and insults, no need for paragraphs of mental gymnastics to pretend that LITERAL globalism acktually is "Capitalism".

>>518846679
It's a good thing when done in good faith for the benefit of the nation but bad when done for the oligarchy of the capitalists to the detriment of the nation

>>518846738
>muh maximize profit

And the government has never had preferential market treatment? Government officials don’t play the system?

> Fascism puts people first

No, it puts government officials first, you stupid monkey. Mao Zedong didn’t give a fuck about millions of NATIVE CHINESE FARMERS DYING when he was making hundreds of factories across the nation at the expense of their farms and livelihoods.

>>518846730
You are neoliberal capitslist apologet.
You are a class enemy.
You must be killed!

>>518846921
>muh maximize profit
>muh
That's what capitalism is about retard
I didn't make the rules
>Fascists like Mao
OK you're an idiot

>>518847046
Your profits talking point is fucking retarded. It means nothing outside of a weird moral stance that nobody cares about.

And you’re gonna tell me Zedong did not hijack the government, military and economy?

>>518847128
Mao was a communist and he overthrew the government btw
Stalin hijacked it but it was still communism, not fascism
You are an imbecile

>>518847294
>overthrew the government
>becomes new overlord of country ever until he fucking dies

Ok, retard.

>>518846921
> Fascism puts people first
>
>No, it puts government officials first
Fascism puts the capitalist first.
The government serves the interests of the capitalist class and because of that the government officials get special privileges and huge paychecks and bonuses that make them sometimes as rich as the capitalists.

>>518846738
Rather than attack straw men, I'd suggest you listen to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcQpBZqpRXY&list=PLKjJE86mQRtvt9XnbUF-BHBzM_sgMZ7uu
Or just read one of the books Rothbard wrote on the topic.
>>518847025
You're a loony.

>>518847373
Ok, what communist government does NOT have rich politicians?

>>518847431
No it does.not. to be rich is a mortal din in capitalism. No billionaires, millionaires in communism.
This is why ruling class in USSR sold it out to gae and lost the ww3 aka the cold war.
So they can become rich ruling capitalist class.

https://dl.depot.4d2.org/EF6Kxmfq6549.mp4

>>518847630
In other words, you can not have communism when you have corrupt evil selfish people in charge.

>>518847630
LMAO.

Yeah because the USSR Politburo were dirt poor with their fancy cars that most people couldn’t afford, fancy drivers, fancy foods and fancy stores that were basically out of 90% of the country’s living standards. What cope are you talking about????

>>518847696
You can't have communism period. The planning problem is insurmountable.

>>518846738
What are your actual positions? A lot of your arguments seem to be against democracies because democratic politicians can be bought, rather than against free markets and private ownership.

>>518847358
Hey, moron.
Before Mao the government was Kuomintang which fled to Taiwan and were anti communist. There was a civil war in China between the Communists led by Mao and Kuomintang.
Yes, he overthrew Kuomintang and installed the Communist Party, it's a fact.
You're dumb as fuck

>>518847740
>poor with their fancy cars
Faggot. Those were not theirs.
They were state's cars.

Idiota name one billionaire from USSR during 1960. Just one !

You know shit. You deserve capitalism. So enjoy capitalism. Socialism is never coming back. Never!

>>518831726 (OP)
>Then you are a Socialist.
There's nothing inherently wrong with socialism. The problems begin when you add shitskins.

>>518831726 (OP)
>Jeetpost
Rangeban India, when?

>>518847756
Planning?
LOL
You think capitalist present corporations do not plan what to do in order to make higher profit?
LOL
You are capirlaist shill who has never worked in a firm corporation on a middle to higher position level.

>>518831726 (OP)

Yes, I choose socialism... national socialism

>>518847878
>No millionaires in communism
>N-NO THAT DOESN’T COUNT

LMAO. Ok, how about Fidel Castro and all his villas and fancy houses and his kids that are mysteriously millionaires living the rich life?

>>518836798
>>518842539
>Milton was right
Milton was right. OP's posted twice less than ten minutes apart.

>>518847901
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMpdHhuT-is

The problem is that it makes everybody to work.
The capitalist hate that. They like to have slaves to work for them.

>>518831726 (OP)
thats nice op but the problems I have with you are
1. you're stinky
2. you don't smell so good.
maybe you should talk to one of your horrendous animal demon gods about securing a better position in your next life?

>>518831726 (OP)
Ive stated multiple times the parties have their ideals swapped and dont even realize it. The billionaire ruling class has these retards so twisted up their vehemently demanding shit they inherently disagree with but are too stupid to realize.
If you're still caught up in the left vs right fight, you're not gonna make it.

>>518848032
>all his villas and fancy houses
Those were not HIS.
They were , are all properties of the state of Cuba!

>>518847871
I think he's a fascist. Like in the original sense as Mussolini would have defined it. He might be an honest to god Ustaše.
>>518848014
You don't know what the planning problem in communism is do you?

>>518848169
Well the state of Cuba paid so the Castros lived lavishly while they starved. “No millionaires” tho lmao.

>>518848113
Commies make it about a nebulous idea such as "the worker" instead of "the nation". That's why it's unappealing to capitalist-leaning uneducated boomoids. You have to sell socialism as something that benefits the nation, not "the worker". And remember, a nation is not the land, but the people who live on it. A race of people. A nationality. National Socialism.

>>518848176
It is a propaganda attack pointin the info war against socialist ideology that does not exists.
Aka a false narrative

>>518831726 (OP)
Quite poor reasoning, but I will dedicate a few brief words to you that are easy to understand, I believe you will be able to understand, look,
I don't like Americans in general, but I wouldn't want them replaced by Indians and other scum; the world is already full of it. The same goes for Europe. About 30 years ago, I wondered, "How come they let Brazilians in?"—meaning Europe. There's nothing socialist about wanting to preserve your race and ancestry. Socialists don't give a damn about any people or race, only power.

Don't forget the story of that tree...

>>518847876
And then? Don’t stop there. What did he do in the industrial revolution? What happened to farmers? How many people starved for government policies? Mao’s policies, you disingenuous faggot???

>>518831726 (OP)
> Private businesses should be allowed to hire foreigners in a way that pose an existential threat to national security.

WOW OP, you totally got me on that. I must be a communist.

>>518848260
It has not paid him so it can live well but in order to be representable like the other leaders of the world' countries.
Look what US state pays to their generals and to their slave soldiers.

https://dl.depot.4d2.org/MLHkWYL6IPJc.mp4

>>518848299
You are a very closed minded person. You treat any disagreement with you as an attack. Believe it or not I was actually once a communist myself, but I came to realize that communism wasn't possible, and wouldn't be a good thing even if it were.

>>518848537
??? What are you talking about? He was able to travel and live like a king. His kids still do, thy even got yachts and all that shit. Nigger they’re richer than you will ever be in your lifetime ffs, wtf you mean????

>>518831726 (OP)
Part of the TPP that's been scrapped (not) was countries could bring in slaves to do whatever they wanted without immigration issues.

>>518831726 (OP)
I'm a socialist that loves my nations and want our borders secure, guess that makes me a hecking national socialist.

>>518848288
The nation is fake. It is artificial creation to serve the interests if the rich ruling capitalist class.
To create a willingly to fight and die dumb idiots slaves in the wars of their rich masters.
The nation is fake, the race is real.
Look what RF has done. Make people die for the rich Russian oligarchs.
Disgusting. RF neoliberal capitalist state must be destroyed

>>518831726 (OP)
>Then you are a Socialist.
Yes.
I'm also a nationalist.
We could call it....national socialism.

>>518848761
>The nation is fake.
You can't fake a nation. A nation is its people. The country and its government are fake.

>>518848761
Wait, you think the Russian Federation is worse than Ukraine in that regard? How do you figure?

>>518831726 (OP)
they need to open the borders and I feel like they will in the distant future. America was made and built by immigrants. Every racist person's ancestors immigrated from some other country. America was a Native AMERICAN country. Not a white country.

>>518848614
I agree that communism isnnot possible, because the inherently evil and selfish nature of the people.
But I am still a communist. It does not matter that it will never come into being.

>>518831726 (OP)
I chose fascism to hang people like you

>>518831726 (OP)
>you are a Socialist.
yes, national socialist to be specific

>>518849015
So Mao is not a fascist despite the fact that he did exactly what all fascists do? Great point, retard. I’ll have to keep that in mind when talking to other retards.

>>518831726 (OP)
But I am a socialist. A National Socialist, if you will.

>>518831726 (OP)
I reject your childishly oversimplified economically illiterate framing.

Just because you want some restrictions doesn't make you anything in particular other than normal.

Just because two things share one property in common doesn't make them identical. Oldest trick in the lefty handbook though.

>>518848879
If you admit that communism is impossible, why don't you consider that free markets are the closest thing to the perfect allocation of resources imagined by Marx in communism. It allows the economic calculation and planning problem to be solved through a stochastic mechanism, and the impacts of greed are mitigated by competition. In a free market greedy businessmen would have to lower prices, not constantly raise them, or else people would simply buy from their competitors.

>>518848836
Because RF waited 8 years. Putin did everything in order to remain the gas station of the gae. To make money. So later,.now to kill millions of Russians.
Thus is why.
https://strawpoll.com/e7ZJablGMg3/

After everything what gae has done to RF, Chechen war, , coup in Ukraine in 2004, Georgia war,
second coup but this time violent in Ukraine in 2014, the idiot did nothing but to legitimize the coup government in Ukraine , start negotiations, have a diplomacy with it, while he had the legitimate president yanukovich in his hands and waited 8 years.
Merkel said it the peace was made to make Ukraine strong enough to attack Donbass.
Putin must be killed. He is a traitor. He serves the Jews , he is a Jew.

The Russian Jewish capitalists class will kill all Russians.

>>518840452
47 posts

>>518831726 (OP)
>say it with your full chest
manboobs ain't "your full chest", tubby

>>518849315
You are righth-wing neoliberal, libertarian.
Their moto is privatization of all profits and nationalization of all losses.
So if the state no longer exists who are you gonna make to pay for you losses, boy.

2008 crisis, too big to fail, right?!

>>518841637
Yes but they don't care, if they didn't have double standards they'd have none at all.

>>518831726 (OP)
Milton Friedman was a kike, enough said.

>>518831726 (OP)
Wasn't this the guy who said their should be no safety regulations on vehicles and if people didn't want vehicles that blew up at random then they shouldn't buy them?

>>518849315
>why don't you consider
Because I do nor want to make and stimulate people to become even more evil.
Capitalism is the materialistic manifestation of evil. Greed is meaning of life in capitalism.

>>518849363
I agree with most of what you said, although I think Putin was just naive and believed that the GAE would be willing to implement the Minsk deal. He waited 8 years because Russia was still recovering from the economic sabotage of Clinton's "shock therapy". War is expensive and Putin is a bean counting bureaucrat at heart, so he waited to fight a war until his back was to the wall and he had no other choice. Even when the invasion was launched he naively believed that the GAE were being honest at the Instabul talks.
>>518849579
>Their moto is privatization of all profits and nationalization of all losses.
not actually what we believe, we do believe that a person has a right to their property, but we don't believe in the nationalization of losses. You are mixing up libertarians and Republicans.
>So if the state no longer exists who are you gonna make to pay for you losses
A company which cannot remain solvent should go out of business. Propping up failed corporations is one of the hallmarks of what I call fascism. That disgusting mix of all the worst parts of socialism and capitalism.
>2008 crisis
You should read Meltdown by Tom Woods, it gives a libertarian perspective on the 2008 financial crisis. We absolutely are not fans of government bailouts.

>>518849923
You realize that at it’s most base, systems of economy is mostly a substitution for resource allocation, right? Hopefully your childish brain understands that a system is the alternative to full on anarchistic power struggles for resources?

What the fuck is “evil” to you, retard?

>>518849923
>Capitalism is the materialistic manifestation of evil. Greed is meaning of life in capitalism.
You really love attacking straw men.

>>518850144
Anarchy means no rulers, not violent chaos. The imagined "state of nature" as a violent struggle of all against all, which is supposedly only held at bay by the state's monopoly on violence is in reality a fiction. People without governments do not go around murdering each other and plundering their property, in fact governments encourage that behavior more than they restrain it.

>>518849923
>a bunch of gay moralizing
Ok boomer

>>518850483
Of course, that’s why anarchistic societies exist nowadays…? Remind me, what anarchistic society is currently thriving nowadays?

It’s funny you talk about “le evil” and yet YOUR stances have the higher rates of societal collapses, population deaths, and many many other civilization maladies. Amazing.

>>518847630
Yeah Stalin was poor even wearing hand me down clothes LMAO

>>518831726 (OP)
Captalism and Communism are the one and the same, only race matters

>>518831726 (OP)
>Be consistent
Easy. Captains of industry get to decide the price of paperclips. They don't get to decide immigration policy. The latter is a matter of national sovereignty, not the market.

>>518850615
The current situation where states nominally hold power all over the world is a recent historical anomaly. My stances have been the blueprint for stable and prosperous cultures for millenia. While empires rose and fell, people kept trading, farming, and defending their land. It wasn't the Celts who went around conquering and taxing people, it was the Romans. I don't talk about evil because I don't give a damn about moralizing, I just want to be left alone.

>>518850945
Oh, you mean like societies and civilizations had to band together to make sure they weren’t invaded by bigger enemies? You realize that you’re trying to reinvent the wheel that will inevitably lead back here lmao.

>>518851069
The Celtiberians were able to mobilize their entire male population to fight the Romans. The Romans did eventually defeat them, but the Celtiberians were a non state society that was a tiny fraction of the size of the Roman empire. The Romans never conquered Germania and the region had no coherent state until just a few hundred years ago. Afghanistan arguably doesn't have a real state, and they have beaten both the Soviet Union and the United States. Non-state societies punch way above their weight class militarily.

>>518831726 (OP)
The three jews that control foreign policy (always name the jew):
1. sheldon adelson
2. bernard marcus
3. paul singer

>>518851452
So basically a bigger band of civilization managed to beat the non unified band of civilization and it mostly took another unified band of civilization to overtake this one, and so on.

>>518833467
foreigners are proxy warriors for the jews. when you focus on the nigger, the jew disappears.

>>518851805
You're conflating civilization with states. Statists favorite trick is to try and pretend that without a state you can't organize.

>>518842424
workers of the world unite.
Karl Marx believed that you would have a rebellion by the workers against the capitalist system which would then create a Marxist communist society where you would have a dictatorship of the proletariat.

>>518842940
anon, curious to hear your thoughts on free market enterprise

>>518851903
Because you can’t, at the end of the day. That’s why Romans were able to take over with bigger numbers. Eventually you’ll need tribalism of a sort to get everyone under the same banner. Far more powerful than disjointed states.

>>518831726 (OP)
If you want companies be able to import indians YOU are socialist.

We do not have common market with hindus, and companies do not play by supply/demand fair market rules. If there is shortage of workers, means companies HAVE to compete by raising salaries and be attractive for potential workers. Instead they BREAK free market by importing third worlders, and diluting supply. Thus jeets will work for 1/10 of person of local market would. By breaking free market rules you are supporter of controlled market, thus YOU are a socialist.

>>518832083
FPBP