Thread 518837599

superior NATO doctrine

Big brained technique to get the most value out of your conscripts - they fight harder and do more damage to Russia if there's no way to retreat.

Is this good or bad

>>518837599 (OP)
> 20 months to go 20 km up the road.
it is completely over for Russia

>>518837599 (OP)
Are we supposed to know where this is?

>>518837839
>russia didn't beat nafo tards time trial
someone call putin and tell him it's over

>a drone flies past 500 bodies and finds 3 starving wounded russians 4 miles from the front huddling in a crater

"Oops time to move the map. A glorious Russian advance has happened"

>>518837839
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wGQGEOTf4E
Wars go into standstills all the time, and this one's actually got a creeping front, then at the end it all starts collapsing.

>>518837599 (OP)
>30 km apart.

>>518837839
>when you win too slowly you lose

>>518838035
honest question, are you brown?

>>518838104
WW1 worked the same way, creeping advances and months spent fighting over a few kilometers.

>>518838117
got 'em! Slava Ukraini!

>>518837713
3 MORE DAYS OF SMO UNTIL ROSSYA TAKES PORKROAST

>>518838117
I'm 100% northwestern european, as proven by dna test

>>518837599 (OP)
Germans literally said that the best tactic against Russian minefields was to drive around them bc on their maps they are these neat little squares. I wish I was kidding...

I have a friend on the SMO and he told me that the current thing they are doing on the most fortified portions of the front is just dropping leaft bombs around the Ukrainian trenches and then drop hundreds of FAB 500s on them. The Ukrainians can't leave because of the minefield and can't stay bc of the FABs so they surrender. Rinse and repeat.

>>518837599 (OP)
Ukraine only controls one road leading in or out of Pokrovsk, but the Russians have FPV supremacy and instantly destroy any vehicle that happens to roll through. So effectively it is the same as if the city were completely encircled. Ukraine's one road gives a false impression that its not fully encircled, but in practice it is.

Nothing can get in or out. This means there is no resupply and no reinforcement. Whatever forces Ukraine has in that pocket, they can only scrape by with whatever they have until that runs out. At this point I think "2 more weeks" is unironically correct for once. Could be more or less, but either way this ends very soon.

>>518838117
Only spiritually.

>>518838254
but can you prove you are White with your skin tone?

>>518837599 (OP)
we are here:
bakmut, adiivka and pokrovsk are not strategically relavent.

>>518838356
Around 10k soldiers were cut off inside the town. What's worse, Pokrovsk is one of the major supply nodes from the AFU. When they lose it there is only Lyman and Kramatorsk left, after that the Russian army will only stop at the eastern shore of the Dnepr.

Get ready for another false flag.
>>518838353
Another thing my friend told me is that being a drone operator today is about as deadly as being a stormtrooper as both sides despise them and they are hunted down. He distinctively told me that his unit fired an entire Grad salvo at a position drones were flying from, no questions asked, they hear drone they just turn the entire place into a parking lot and if any drone pilot is caught then he's uttely fucked. According to him, most valuable soldiers are mechanics or people who are otherwise good with their hands fixing anything from radios and smallarms to tanks.

>>518838417
I can and have multiple times before. but it's pointless, you'll just abandon the thread and do the same thing in the next thread

>>518838356
People don't understand how this works. Mongols used this in europe 800 years ago. Never fully encircle your enemy unless you have to. Give them a way out so you can kill them as they flee.

https://youtu.be/o7W1Ih5t4nY?si=kegBH9ZSxdQQi6dC&t=239

>>518838356
>the cauldron is bubbling
>two more weeks, trust the plan
>day 1328 of 3 day smo

you wonder why people are always laughing at chug

>>518839293
In ukraine they get killed by their government if they flee

>>518839286
Trump already called jewtin to tell him it's over.

>>518839426
Enjoy laughing while you can. The day of the rope for NAFOids is coming. Once Ukraine capitulates and Russia keeps all the annexed territories, there will be mass suicidea by Ukraine supporters.

You have been told for the past three years that Ukraine is on the verge of victory. Just another sanction, another F-16, another 100.000 men for the meatgrinder, another refinery strike, another copium headline... just one more and Russia will collapse.

You're in for a rude awakening.

>>518839667
I don't care, I didn't vote for trump

>>518839667
It was over back when milley was around

>>518839844
im literally going to stay comfy in my country and ukraine winning or losing shall not effect me in any great amount aside from not being able to watch ziggers getting blown to bits daily

oh well, dont be sad it's over, be glad it happened i guess

>>518839286
Post DNA test, and timestamp hand pic, fellow White man.

>>518838215
Care to remind us how it ended?

>>518839973
>in my country
might as well put the Israeli flag on, we all know

>>518838790
The most effective soldiers are the most hated. Drones work and kill everyone. 70% of infantry casualties in this war are from drones only; completely supplanted artillery.

And the thing is, artillery isn't gone from this war. They are using artillery left and right, the drones are just that much deadlier.

>>518837599 (OP)
Yes? Would superior doctrine be to fight in the open?

>>518840232
The Germans lost. Just like they will lose again.

>>518838215
Note that the country that did those advances lost the war.

>>518839426
Well what else is russia going to do? The SMO was supposed to end in a peace deal in april 2022, russia withdrew troops from kiev and northern ukraine in preparations for this deal, then boris johnson told zelensky to fight on, he listened like a good puppet does and russia's moved on to total war. See my previous post, russia is unlikely to fully encircle pokrovsk, since they can turn it into grinder where resources are wasted on a lost city.

>>518839476
I really hope this isn't universally true but I wouldn't doubt this.

>>518839973
Fuck that. You aren't safe until the war is over, this could spiral into a nuclear conflict in under an hour with a few misunderstandings between us and russia.

>>518839920
Cohen and Milley were happy Patrushev said he was invading Ukraine, they needed Wagner out of Syria.
now that's over, Russia can lose.

>>518840392
Every country involved in WW1 did creeping advances, retard.

>>518838113
In russia case yeah., they're running out of moneys

>>518840400
>boris johnson told zelensky to fight on
I don't get why ziggers can't understand that people simply don't want to become a russian puppet.

>>518840301
Not really, arty is still king but drones are way more mobile and portable.

>>518840456
It's important to remember that WW1 only lasted 4 years and 3 months. Avdiivka fell 1 year and 8 months ago. And if the current attacks fail to change things it's a safe bet the frontline will be mostly stable till March at the earliest.
Even if we are generous and start the date of the battle for Pokrovsk when Russia started encircling the city from the south that still means that the battle has been going for more than 10 months now.

>>518840329
Too bad Russia isn't the USSR, and they don't have the US and UK Lend Lease to give them food, money, raw materials, fuel, bullets, guns, tanks, trucks, planes, ships, engines, industrial know-how, training, intelligence, etc this time - which was literally the only reason the USSR was able to beat Germany during WWII. Nor do they have the Soviet satellite states to be cannon fodder for Moscow, or thier knowledge, expertise, and industrial might to build and design for Moscow. Russia is a shell of what it was during WWII for the reasons stated above.

>>518840301
>70% of infantry casualties in this war are from drones only; completely supplanted artillery

>strap explosive to drone
>use HD video to guide it into enemies
>not artillery
It's literally the evolution of targeted artillery. Artillery has ALWAYS been the most devastating weapon of war. This hasn't changed one bit in over 800 years since cannons were invented, or trebuchets before them. Only the delivery methods change.

>>518840615
>I don't get why ziggers can't understand that people simply don't want to become a russian puppet.

>zelensky runs for president on platform of peace
>says he'll make peace treaty with putin
>wins
>war starts 2022 because no treaty
>negotiators from russia and ukraine make peace deal and offer it to zelensky after war starts
>nato tells him no deal
>listen to nato(which he isn't part of) over negotiators and people who elected him

wow! totally awesome! cool!

>In russia case yeah., they're running out of moneys
Says the faggot in france with 115% debt to GDP while russia is 15% debt to gdp. Stop listening to the brainwashing retard. Russia is hurting, yes, but the west keeps starting wars that produce negative returns. This doesn't benefit america or the eu.

>>518840722
>Muh lend lease is the reason the USSR won
Oh you were serious

>>518837839

it took allies like 10 month to go from normandy to germany and russia is like 3x that size

>>518837599 (OP)
How many died to take another 2km?

>>518841402
gayest comparrison bares no similarities to the current situation

>>518841910
y my ID change..

>>518837599 (OP)
Look I found a turdie that refuses to go back to it's shithole

>>518838084
>fat redditor is so mindfucked making up gay copes about this conflict is supposed to make his life better for some reason and be used entirely as a conduit for his local politics
Yikes kikes

>>518841978
Dumb phoneposter

>>518838215
To be fair, those were peer powers fighting each other, this is just embarrassing for Russia and I’m tired of pretending it’s not. Imagine going back in time to tell Stalin that in 70 years Russia would be duking it out with a former SSR. Sad!

>>518842103
only i'm not..

>>518840301
Drone = artillery anon. But yeah, I would even go as far as saying that any specialist soldier is hated by the enemy because they are force multipliers. A sniper will always be more hated than a rifleman for example.

>>518841284
I'm tired of this fucking meme. The Russians were already outproducing the axis by 1942 despite the retarded shabbos goy bolshevik economic policy. The Axis would have lost regardless, the land lease just accelerated their loss.

>>518839293
This is some ancient Chinese military tactic, in the Art of War even. I believe Zhang He once told Shima Yi this exact same thing before Yi went, "Nuh uh."

Always leave your enemies a way to retreat; pick them off easier that way than facing a wounded, cornered beast.

>>518838231
2 more weeks until Ukraine goes on the offensive.

>>518838094
WW1 ended because the "forgotten" member of the central powers Bulgaria change sides opening up a third front for the Germans to guard which they had no manpower for. Also even though the Russians sign a peace deal the Germans had to keep men on the Eastern front due to border security.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqJsKRtiBOQ

>>518840757
>trebuchets
Cool it with the pop history takes m'kay. Trebuchets were used in sieges sure, but they were absolutely useless as battlefield arty. That only came about with cannons

>>518837599 (OP)
Its almost like both sides are playing a game and not trying to win.

Original post by AMK Mapping
In the Dobropillya direction, and on the northeastern flank of Pokrovsk, Russian forces intensified their assault operations and have made major progress over the past 10 days.

In the northeast, at the beginning of October, Russian forces began a concerted effort to regain control over the tactical heights southeast of Volodymyrivka which Ukrainian forces recaptured last month. They began advancing northwest up a gulley and towards the southern bank of the Staryy Reservoir, capturing the treelines between them. These advances, alongside the clearing of the northern street of Novotoretske, forced the AFU to fully withdraw back into Volodymyrivka.

At the same time, Russian forces were able to push the Ukrainians back from their forward positions on the western approaches to Poltavka, clearing the northernmost chalk quarry and surrounding positions. They then began attacks through the treelines and forest plantations to the eastern bank of the Staryy Reservoir.

With these attacks now complete, under the cover of the fog and rain, two large Russian mechanised columns involving tanks and armoured personnel carriers advanced on Volodymyrivka. The first moved in from the south, advancing up the road and reaching the southern edge of the village. A portion of the vehicles were hit and disabled by Ukrainian FPV drones, however more than 50 Russian soldiers were able to dismount and scatter among the southern part of Volodymyrivka. With the remaining vehicles being able to retreat, these Russian soldiers began clearing the rest of the settlement and captured its central part. The rest of the village is now either in the grey zone, or under Russian control.
/// post too long, the rest has too be cut
+ ~59.23 km2 in favour of Russia.

>>518847715
The Romans had some interesting battlefield artillery. Torsion engines, Caesar talks about them in Gallic Wars.

>>518839293
That might have been true when most killing was done up close with a sword, and even a man with nothing but a rock could kill a fully kitted out soldier if he was fighting like a crazed beast, it certainly isn't true in the modern era. There's a reason encirclement battles were by far the most decisive in World War 2. Modern formations are too large and consume too many resources, a fully encircled force can fight as desperately as it wants, it's still far less casualty intensive for the encircling force than this bizarre "bubbling cauldron" cope the Russians are limited to in this war.

>>518837599 (OP)
I'm beginning to think there's a pattern

Original post by Sutiyakmaps
Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 1327:
Situation on Shakhovskoy front: Following the arrival of reinforcements Ukrainian Army launched new counterattack & managed to recapture Vilne & a series of positions east of this locality as well as east of Nove Shakhove & Ivanivka. In addition, Ukrainian forces recaptured some positions south & east of Vinokurny Reservoir. On the other hand, Russian Army entered in the locality of Rodynske from the south after the complete capture of Chervonyi Lyman. In addition, Russian forces began advancing southeast of Shakhove.

>>518837599 (OP)
fell for it again award

man I bet you get banned if you post this on /k/.

Original post by Suriyakmaps
Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 1326:
Situation on Pokrovsk & Mirnograd fronts: The situation around Novoekonomichne has been clarified: in the last two weeks, Russian army managed to secure the locality and surrounding areas, including most of Kapitalna Mine and the trench system further south to the Sinianske Reservoir. In addition, in the last few hours, assaults have begun on the localities of Balahan and Kozatske, just one kilometer from the houses of the town of Myrnohrad.
Moreover, in Pokrovsk city, Russian forces managed to expel Ukrainian army from the Durniak district and move the fighting to the industrial district, as well as secure new positions along the railway.

>>518837839
>Hah, it took them 20 months to kill 2 million of our men, this was surely worth it!

Original post by Suriyakmaps:
Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 1325:
Situation on Shakhovskoy front: During the last 48 hours Russian Army continued advancing east of Volodymyrivka. In addition, Russian forces secured completely the area between Zatyshok & Nykanorivka after days of battles with Ukrainian Army remaining troops in this area until the outskirts of Boikivka. Moreover, DRG's operations extended north of Kucheriv Yar.

>>518848204
Imagine believing something that absurd. This war seems to have completely broken zigger's brains.

i lol internally every time a russian thinks he's fighting nato

>>518840722
the Russian Federation is not the USSR. besides, they have China to do all that for them, should they need it.

>>518848413
Cool, got footage of every time an artillery shell or cruise missile or FAB landed in a hohol dugout and killed 20 dudes? One side is kidnapping civilians off the street to serve, the other is not. How bout the latest corpse exchange where the Russians got 12 bodies and the Ukrainians got 1,000? If you honestly believe Ukraine is trading even 1 for 10 at this point you are delusional.

>>518837599 (OP)
>superior NATO doctrine

Western homosexual zionists stood no chance from the beginning.
Europe is about to freeze now for Ukraine and JewSA.

I never understood what NATO (The North Atlantic Treaty Organization) actually is or does.

According to Google:

It's a political and military alliance of 32 member countries from Europe and North America formed in 1949. Its primary purpose is to guarantee the freedom and security of its members through political and military cooperation.

Key functions and principles

Collective Defense:
An attack on one member is considered an attack on all, a provision invoked after the 9/11 attacks.

Political Cooperation:
Promotes democratic values and serves as a forum for members to discuss and cooperate on security matters, with decisions requiring unanimous agreement.

Military Capabilities:
Utilizes military forces contributed voluntarily by member countries for deterrence, defense, and crisis management, though it possesses few permanent forces.

Building Partnerships:
Collaborates with non-member nations and organizations on global security issues, aiming to enhance stability beyond its borders.

Open Door Policy:
European countries meeting treaty principles and contributing to Euro-Atlantic security can apply for membership, requiring unanimous consent from existing members. Finland and Sweden joined in 2023 and 2024, respectively.

>>518840722
>Russia is a shell of what it was during WWII for the reasons stated above.
And they are going to defeat NATO-funded, -trained and -equipped, nummerically superior Ukrainian army. What does that tell you about NATO?

>>518837599 (OP)
Ukraine is not nato.

>>518842312
>and I’m tired of pretending it’s not.
Go back to rooting for Ukraine then.

>>518840615
>they're running out of moneys
Fuck off Lemaire, you're not a minister anymore

>>518851189
I fucking hate this spineless EU position. Ukraine is a NATO partner, Europe's shield against Russia, future member state of the EU, using NATO systems, troops trained in NATO countries. When it is covenient Ukraine is "one of us", Zelenskyy jet sets from one country to another, picking up billions of dollars.

When Russia asks "hey, whatcha doin' NATO?" Suddenly the chorus comes back "what? Ukraine in NATO?! Ridiculous! They are fighting on their own! They're just plucky and ingenious!"

Then NATO countries plot how to steal Russian money from European banks and give it to Ukraine.

tl;dr
>uKrAiNe Is NoT nAtO!!!
fuck off you dishonest liberal

>>518840400
There was no peace treaty "Ready to sign" and Russia didn't pull out because of it, no matter how much you do this cope it's not true.

Russia left Kyiv because they no longer had a chance of taking Belarus couldn't support the type of logistics Russia needed to besiege the city and the Russian Airforce would have had to move through contested airspace to provide air support for continued operations.

They left northern Ukraine for strategic reasons, not for a nonexistent peace.

>>518837599 (OP)
Their tactics, strategy and logistics has been an absolute disaster desu, goes to show how good ukrainian soldiers actually are when their leadership is such utter fucking garbage, after the Kharkiv thunder runs there has been zero operations that have been even a marginal success and loads of bottom of the barrel displays of military incompetence like Krynky and the counteroffensive where they did a movie trailer to advertise their plans to everyone, its disgusting to see human lives waster like they do

>>518838035
>>518838113
>>518848204
>UMMM actually grinding to a halt in an offensive war while all your best equipment gets completely destroyed to the point you have to rely on literal fucking donkeys, scooters, and horse battalions to mount assaults is le heckin BASED
The only way to understand this mentality is to remember that people posting this nonsense are brown 3rd workers, for whom horses and donkeys are modern technology

>>518851852
>Their tactics, strategy and logistics has been an absolute disaster
It was at the start of the SMO. Russia was rusty and Ukraine was ready for it. Since then it has been slow and steady advances from Russia.
>its disgusting to see human lives waster like they do
It's easy to chalk this up to le human waves tactic but historically open field warfare has always been rough and that's not even considering drones. That shit is a straight up nightmare.

>>518838356
I hope you're right, if only so the killing will end
but I've heard this before

>>518852388
Checked, I would agree if we were speaking only about open fields warfare but we have miserable examples like Krynky where men who in some cases had 3 weeks of training were sent month after month in to a battle where they clearly had every single imaginable disadvantage already, its gross, human lives completely wasted for zero discernable reason, the leaders responsible for that sort of thing should be executed or atleast replaced but nah, like you said the average grunts job is already nightmarish but they made it much much worse on many different occasions, its either gross incompetence or straight malice

>>518851764
I think you are barking up the wrong tree here, Mogens. I agree with you. NATO has no business involving itself with a local conflict in some backwater ex-sovjet state. Everything about the whole conflict is extremely gay and reeks of jew.

>>518852967
There are people making lots of money, including Zelenskyy. It's so fucking transparent yet people can't seem to see it. It's frightening that people in the West are so easily manipulated.

An emerging narrative (pushed by the CIA, no doubt) is that Russia doesn't have functional nukes...

>>518852718
>its either gross incompetence or straight malice
Desperation and corruption, I'd say. There will most certainly be consequences when this is all over, for both sides. Lots of people jumping off of balconies and such.

>>518848204
It is crazy that Russia has lost 2 million men while Ukraine has only lost 160k men.

And remember this was while Ukraine was getting very little support from the EU and the US while Russia still had all their high-end military gear. Now Russians are driving around on electric scooters while the Ukrainians have high-end Archer artillery systems.

>>518853241
I remember during the first week or whatever during the conflict Zelenski came out and said "We will fight to the last ukranian". I thought then and there, that man is a complete psycho and should be hung. Instead they keep funneling billions to this madman, for what? What is the endgame?

>>518853512
Can you, with a straight face, say you genuinely believe the 14:1 ratio?

>>518837599 (OP)
r/uhg says ukraine is winning tho

>>518849584
It's a way for US to export homosexuals and trannies.

>>518837705
That's why the Russian cauldrooning is so brutally effective. They leave a tiny 1% chance for survival, and instead of taking it, the Ukrainians force conscripts to try and reinforce the already cut off positions. Meanwhile the defenders think they have a chance to escape, they just need to avoid getting blown up on the way out and sneak past the barrier troops.

>>518853512
>Now Russians are driving around on electric scooters
Donkeys, actually. Russians are fighting with shovels, their nukes aren't functional, Ukraine destroyed tens of thousands of their tanks... if such an army defeats NATO-armed army it is going to be very embrrassing for NATO.
>>518853544
>What is the endgame?
To kill every Ukrainian and turn Ukraine into the next Jewish homeland. Palestine is becoming untenable. Soon they'll discover new parts of the Talmud that will claim Ukraine is the historical homeland of the Jews.

>>518837599 (OP)
>100000 gopniks died in the battle of Vadim's potato field.
Russians just know how to make neat history books.

>>518849584
NATO is a bureaucratic agency for coordinating America's vassals. They handle shit like figuring out what the equivalent rank for an obersturmgruppenflugzeugkammerdonaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaft in Germany is in America, and making sure everyone uses crates that fit on each others forklifts. So when America decides to invade Iraq they don't need to delay the invasion for half a decade while the Brits and the Poles decide who gets to give Bush a rimjob, they've already worked all that out.

How much more of these threads will we have to endure until Pokrovsk actually falls

>>518856535
And how many more before Ukraine actually admits it fell?

>>518853512
>Archer
The Archer and Saab 9-3 are the best things that have come from you guys In the past 30 years. Also SPGs sre going to be the future of artillery. Ye olde toobs are just gonna get bonked at higher and higher rates

>>518856529
obersturmgruppenflugzeugkammerdonaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftführer*

>>518838035
>>518838094
>>518838113
>>518841402
>>518848204
These 'people' cannot be real

>>518849584
Nato has 3 primary purposes:
1. Keep the russians out
2. Keep the US in
3. Keep the Germans down

>>518859441
4. Turn the men into women.
5. Keep vaginas dilated.

>>518859908
Thats your fantasy, zigger

>>518859908
6. Keep the nigger gibs.
7. Maximize the microplastics.
8. Keep the jews rich.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4tHsjqIDoo

>>518837599 (OP)
It is an advantageous position because the tropps in the middle can more quickly respond to any attack from all direction, whereas the attacker has to shift their troops the long way around, exposing them to drones and artillery while on the march!

>>518856535
It will only fall once niggerfagot zogbot government in Ukraine stops sending conscripts to die there. Never stop your enemy when he is making a mistake and all that.

It's Kiev ;)

>>518861566
This. Russian lines are about to collapse.

>>518838254
>I'm 100% northwestern european
You are a mentally ill American.

>>518843204
From what I've seen a big reason they are hated in they like to post videos of them killing wounded and isolated soldiers that normally are picked up as pows.

>>518853512
Do you really think your retarded propaganda is helping ukraine?

>>518859441
>>518859908
Reminds me of this poster.
What happened to him, I wonder. He used to make threads with various advices fairly often. This is the most unhinged one I've saved, most sounded more reasonable.

>>518856535
about 8 months

>>518839920
Isn't this dude on trial for treason or something?

>>518853512
Don't forget these are wounded, not killed
Ukraine has support from the Red Cross, medical volunteers and Western medical supplies, while Russia only has vodka for sterilizing.
It's not an exaggeration to estimate that Ukraine has had zero deaths this war while Russia had 2 million.

>>518854794
Caudron 2.0

>>518867070
it's closer to 6 millions, you fucking denier you

>>518853512
You're fucked in the head if you believe that.

>>518837839
its like a ketchup bottle you know

>>518867605
Pretty good analogy

>>518837839
Imagine if it took us 3.5 years to take 20% of Iraq and we used the same cope phrases as the russniggers lmao

>>518837839
WW1 (the last largescale trench fight like this in Europe) didn't end based on rapid advances across wide swathes of territory. It ended when one side could no longer supply its army. Which side do you think will buckle in this way as the war of attrition drags on?

>>518867702
comparing this to Iraq is like comparing your founding freemasons to fucking zizka

>>518837599 (OP)
so they take one town per year?!? loosing how many soldiers in the progress?

>>518867760
You're right, apples to oranges. We could actually beat a country halfway around the world and russniggers can't even beat their neighbor, the poorest country in Europe

>>518867928
Vietnam is a better comparison, since the Vietnamese were being armed by Russia in the same way Ukraine is now being armed by USA. The difference is Russia is actually on track to win this thing

>>518867702
It took you 20 years retard, go learn when the gulf war was

>>518839426
>>day 1328 of 3 day smo
Debunked:
www.newsweek.com/even-russian-propaganda-was-hesitant-claim-kyiv-would-fall-three-days-1832754
>you wonder why people are always laughing at chug
You hide behind a memeflag because you're a jew. You dare not geolocate your real flag which is Israel because you would be a laughing stock.

>>518852675
>I hope you're right, if only so the killing will end
I'm right in as far as Pokrovsk is concerned. But the fall of Pokrovsk probably won't be the end of the war though. I can't tell you when or how that's going to end.

>>518867978
fucking retarded tanker tranny heres a russian win for you
>charge to conquer a out house defended by 1 man
>loose 14 of your men on the progress but kill the defender and take out house
>there was bottle of vodka in the out house
>this was russian win

>>518837599 (OP)
This is what makes NATO so much better than the Russians.


The Russians have been trying to fight a conventional war for decades now. The problem is that NATO has perfected the ability to counter conventional warfare.

>>518841284
>>518843268
Without lend lease, the western allies bombing Germany, and the N.A then Italian front, the USSR would have obviously lost. They almost lost with all those things.

The absolute devastation wreaked on Soviet armies was on the grandest scale in history.

As for the current war, it's been a disaster for both sides. In no way is either Russia or Ukraine winning. It's either mindless slaughter for nothing or coordinated kabuki theatre to keep the world in a constant state of emergency post covid.

>>518867702
Except that's not even a good analogy, since Iraq is on the other side of the planet from the US. It would be like if 3.5 years into a war with Mexico, the US had lost 2 million men and only captured the baja peninsula and parts of sonora and chihuahua. At that point it wouldn't matter if America turned it around and blitzed the rest of the country, the humiliation to America's military would already be done. And that's what's happened to Russia. They can't even win an invasion of a neighboring country that they envelop on 3 sides.

>>518843268
They wouldn't be able to produce that much without Lend Lease. The entire point of it was to plug the gaps by supplying the USSR with shit they couldn't obtain on their own, nobody is claiming all their equipment was produced in the US.