Thread 518856586

Barron Trump shorts bitcoin again

>>518856586 (OP)
so we all buy and he loses all his money right guys?
cmon lets buy.
>its our time to show the Man whos really in charge

i don't have any bitcoin and i don't know what a short even is

>>518856838
Person short selling is predicting that the Bitcoin price will drop, and is getting people to agree to buy Bitcoin at the current price on a future date. So if the price goes down, he sells for more than it's worth.

>>518856838
I don't know either. I buy $3 a day and ignore it. In 10 years I'll take it out and do something fun with whatever is in my wallet.

>>518856915
>In 10 years
You think society has that long?

>>518856772
No. There is no we in crypto. No inflation = zero sum game = everyone against everyone.

SO Bitcoin became a commodity elites profit from? Is that what happened to it? Began life as an alt currency and then got swallowed up by Wall Street?

>>518856905
>have an asset
>valued 100 dollars
>could sell asset now for 100 dollars
>instead snort a bunch of hebrew magic dust and hallucinate a real gotcha
>say that: "I predict this asset will be worth 90 dollars in two more weeks, do you?"
>"nah don't think so, whatever bud"
>"okay so will you agree on buying this asset from me with 100 dollars in two more weeks then?"
>"yeh sure"
>price goes down to 90 dollars
>"hahah just as I predicted, here is the asset and give me hundred dollars please"

>>518857007
President Vance will unite the country. So yes.

>>518857030
yeah i know, i was taking the micky but i better clearify before someone really does buy into scamcoins.
>>518856772
DONT BUY BTC , your only playing a rigged game

>>518857112
life is a rigged game.

Imagine being such a bottom bitch slave to the system you obsess over anyone who makes money on it

Pro tip; that is not your money and you will never have it

>>518856586 (OP)
Do retards actually think some random person out there is actually short half a billion bitcoin? This is almost certainly a basis trade by an institution. They are long elsewhere. Aka neutral on the position.

>>518857081
A short is basically an "agreement to buy" at a future date. You are selling a share that doesn't exist and then later, buying it.
Sell first, buy second, that way you make money on the downswing.

The thing is, by doing this, you are creating fictional shares that didn't exist in the market before. So if before there were 1 million shares, and you just sold 100,000 "phantom shares" and plan to buy them later, now the supply of shares is 1.1 million. Because shortselling fucks with the volume of shares, you can use that to drive down the price. More supply = lower price. So in effect you're creating the outcome that can profit you. Of course that is reversed the moment you buy to cover, so it increases volatility of the shares.

Shortselling is banned in a lot of places.

>>518856838
Shorts basically pay interest to borrow bitcoins and then sell them at current price. You're betting the bitcoins are going to tank. If they tank, you buy them back and return the bitcoins to the lender of bitcoins. If the bitcoins increase in value though, you eventually have to buy them at a higher price to return to the lender. They get paid interest either way. The more shorted something is, the higher the interest to borrow.

>>518857250
>Shortselling is banned in a lot of places.
Sounds highly antisemitic

>>518857250
>You are selling a share that doesn't exist
Uh, you can't sell something that doesn't exist. You have to literally borrow the bitcoins from a lender to sell for interest.

The thing is, the stock market itself is bullshit. Like the way the market is set up, the whole thing, is complete bullshit.

Money is supposed to be in exchange for work. 1 util of work = 1 dollar.
But using the stock market, you can magic billions into existence. Money that you never worked for, never created value for. Magic-money you might call it.

Every single billionaire is getting rich through some scheme or another, and they all are heavily using the stock market. The stock market might as well be a genie in a lamp, a monkey turning a magical wheel that generates infinite free money totally disconnected from the actual value you created in society.

>>518857101
under israel?

>>518857437
You're the most ignorant fuck I've seen on here in quite some time, you don't understand how any of it works and you're acting like you do.

>>518857202
A lot of resentful leftist losers around here hating successful businessmen like Barron Trump because they don't have the genetics to succeed in a meritocracy.

>>518857437
>Money is supposed to be in exchange for work. 1 util of work = 1 dollar.
That's not how things work. The bank prints money when someone takes out a loan. Working is a trade of time for money that has been printed.

>>518856586 (OP)
https://hypurrscan.io/address/0xb317D2BC2D3d2Df5Fa441B5bAE0AB9d8b07283ae

>>518856772
>Retail has the ability to intentionally collectivize and move the needle.
That isn't how it works, at all. London, Hong Kong, Frankfurt, and obviously wall Street coordinate buys and sells and then and only then does retail move anything according to what they want us to think they're going to do next.

>>518857503
They don't understand fractional reserve banking because they're ignorant.

>>518857489
How is it humanly possible for a person to create $100 billion in value for society? According to free market economics, the value you are worth is the value you produced for society. So how can one human being, using his own productive capacity, create $100's of billions? How is that POSSIBLE? Superman couldn't create that kind of value.

>>518857437
That's literally the labor theory of value you fucking commie. Get the fuck out of America.

And just a pet peeve, you faggots need to learn the difference between money and currency. Gold is money. The dollar is a fiat currency. They can print fiat, they can't print gold without neutron stars.

>>518856586 (OP)
Bitcoin is how they will pump and dump the world.
On the upside, this is probably just a practice round.

>>518857568
Peter Schiff literally sold cartoon storybooks intended to illustrate free market concepts, and those are the type of arguments he would use. Ask any libertarian or free-market thinker, they will all say the same thing. The amount you are worth is supposed to be the amount of value you put into society. If you harvested 10 fish, you are worth 10 fish....etc.

>>518857566
Its possible just unlikely.
The main way to create that kind of value is through the organisation and financing of other people to create that value

>>518857566
Hey ignorant fuck, define "value". Are there any multipliers to consider? How far downstream does value aggregate?

I think you're one of the marxist leftists who think they have figured everything out, but you're so fucking ignorant it's painful to even read the shit spilling out of your ass brain.

>>518857536
if Bitcoin drops in value in response to tariffs and there is another giga short opened, then what is Donald Trump going to announce tomorrow morning?

>>518857566
It's called debt by human resources

>>518857568
The thing about the labor theory of value is that its not entirely wrong.
The main issue is with people applying it in very stupid ways.
The more steps and work involved in making something the more valuable it is, so long as its useful to someone and they're prepared to pay that price
A turd that has been polished for a hundred hours is not useful to anyone except an Indian, who would rather just bury his face in a fresh one anyways.

There are of course a lot of other factors at play like economies of scale and so on, different types of work and so on.
But the fundamental rule of "work makes value" remains true.

>>518857638
The salary of a top CEO of a fortune 500 company. How much is it? About $10 million.
That is a competitive salary, there is tons of competition for those jobs, and that is where that market decided to place it. That means one of these executives is producing about 100x the value of a competent professional laborer. That person must be highly trained, disciplined, and efficient, a 1 in a million type person.

Ok, so that's one of the top jobs in our society, it's worth about $10 million/year
So how can someone create literal BILLIONS of dollars in value?
I thought.,..hmm maybe through patents? But go ahead, look it up, the top patents are only worth a few $10's of millions as well.

If you examine it, usually there is a scheme using the stock market that is enabling these guys to vastly magnify their wealth beyond all reason. It's totally disconnected from the value they actually created in society.

>>518857719
They're ignorant, they think fiat currency represents value. Fiat currency is just the medium of exchange, nothing more. The relative amounts of fiat dictate the value. They don't seem to be able to make that distinction between value and currency.

>>518857250
>You are selling a share that doesn't exist
Aaaaand this is how you get jews

>>518856586 (OP)
One day you'll learn that bitcoin is not affected by the news cycle and all of this was already predicted if you know how to autistically read charts.

all markets are rigged

>>518857566
>How is it humanly possible for a person to create $100 billion in value for society? According to free market economics, the value you are worth is the value you produced for society. So how can one human being, using his own productive capacity, create $100's of billions? How is that POSSIBLE? Superman couldn't create that kind of value.
Nicola Tesla did and he died in poverty.
Meanwhile (((Getty))) just puts a copyright on every image he can find for free and makes billions https://graphicartistsguild.org/1-billion-lawsuit-against-getty-images-raises-questions-about-public-domain-dedication/
This is (((economy 101))), this is (((american way))).

>>518857884
>trump threatens tariffs on China
>bitcoin tanks
Are you just shitposting or actually retarded?

>>518857768
10 million?
Maybe on the low end.

I do agree that the individuals in question are overcompensated and a lot of financial black magic is going on to artificially create false value.

But remember these guys are responsible for corporate empires with real value often in the billions. In the case of a number of larger ones such as fortune 500 companies its not impossible for it to be in the trillions.

>>518856905
>Future date
That's a option, not a short.
Shorting is when you borrow an asset and sell it, expecting to be able to buy the asset back at a later date at a lower price to give back to the lender. Max gain is the price at which you sold - the premium you're paying to borrow (if price goes to 0). Max loss is infinite (if price rises you still need to buy it back to give to the lender at that higher price).

>>518857768
To sum it up.

(I hope people actually read this)

Pic related, here is one of the ways the marketplace, as it exists, is benefiting mega-mega-billionaires and insiders.
It's giving them privileged access to the ground floor.

Again this is just one scheme, but a prolific one. There's other schemes, like how Wallmart has a vertical-monpoly.

>>518856586 (OP)
It will be hilarious if he just got lucky and now thinks he's some genius just to lose everything.

>>518857966
>responsible
Kek. Slaves are responsible for coming 5 minutes late. CEOs are never responsible for anything, even if their decisions MURDER thousands of people like Musk's """self-driving""" cars.

>>518857958
Why didn't it tank when he threatened it before?

>>518857997
It's not infinite.

At this point the market will move simply because of this short. Based Barron is going to absolutely rape the cryptards.

>>518857718
As Pete here >>518857240 said, it could have been a timing coincidence on Friday, and this is just one part of normal risk management. Last week I thought that Donald Shmuley Trump will be going through multiple pump and dumps for his clan until he goes for a deal with China next month. But he backpedaled sooner than I expected, maybe the fallout was too strong so his consultants opted for a softer social media insider trading strategy, and he will make concessions earlier.

>>518857966
I didn't mean 10 million exactly, I mean "on the order of $10 million". In other words, it's not $100 billion. So where are the literal-billions coming from? They're all coming from a scheme that involves the magic-money device known as the Stock Market.


>But remember these guys are responsible for corporate empires with real value often in the billions.
Yes the value is in the ownership, in this case, now in the work they put in. And why do they acquire billions in ownership stake? It's through this stock market scheme, getting privileged access to the ground floor of companies. This image here explains some of it: >>518857998

>>518858064
Show me the chart for the time around Trump announced it before.

>>518857958
It tanked then immediately retraced, but bitcoin was/is going to correct regardless of what Trump says. It's been crabbing for months at all time highs. Anyone thinking it had any legs left to the upside deserved to get liquidated.

>>518857966
>responsible
haha no

>>518857250

This is not how shorting works.

You ‘sell’ someone else’s shares (usually your prime broker) for a lending fee. You then purchase enough shares to replace those at a later date when the price moves down.

What is his fucking problem?

>>518857101
That pumpkin headed poop fucker has gotten as close to the WH as he ever will. Rubio or Desantis will be president. Nobody will ever vote for a man who is supposedly Christian, yet goes to Church, ALONE on Sundays while his wife and kids stay home and worship demons

>>518858109
April 9, 2025. Bitcoin actually climbed amid the threats. You guys are gamblers chasing fallacies.

>>518858186
Jews using a retard just like his dad

>>518858120
I'll bet it tanks again on Monday, and now that everyone knows someone is shorting it .5 billion, that'll escalate the dump because it's a guaranteed payout to join the short club. I bet the lenders are charging crazy interest rates to borrow bitcoin for shorts.

>>518858318
Tuesday*/Today

>>518858318
I shorted at 123k. I've knew this day was coming weeks ago. Only /biz/ retards and third world gamblaholics think line only goes up to the moon.

>>518858510
I don't do stock shit anymore, never did crypto. I was around when /biz/ first started and all the crypto was coming out. Literally every thread was people trying to pump & dump rob people on crypto. Then the masses figured it out and here we are. Crypto is still worthless dog shit in my estimation in the long-term.

>>518857445
You just committed a hate crime

>>518858858
Crypto has always been a pump and dump scheme. But you can hardly criticize, since literally the entire stock market writ large is nothing but an giant magic money machine. The only reason it hasn't been reformed is because it benefits your oligarchs.

If the market operated such that your work equaled your wealth, there would not be a single billionaire in this world.

>>518858193
>pumpkin headed poop fucker
this is true and good.

>>518858858
>Crypto is still worthless dog shit in my estimation in the long-term.
As are most investments. The systems are designed to exsangiunate goyim, lower their purchasing power across the globe and, thus, their primacy. If a few smart-than-average / lucky goys make bank along the way, it's literally meaningless in Third Temple terms; if anything, it sells the scams as those OnlyGoys THOT's supposedly making "million$" are.

>>518858318
people always make way too much of short interest or a particular entity's short position. its very likely that the giant short position that the faggot in the OP is calling attention to is just a hedge for a complementary long position.

>>518858906
Work is already valued in the amount of currency for said product/service. You don't even understand what a CEO is actually paid for. Their job isn't to drive the company, their job is to take the shit storm of the company being unethical and corrupt. That's the primary purpose of a CEO, their job is to be the public punching bag while the board and other stakeholders push to maximize exploitation. The more money a CEO makes, the more corrupt that company is.

>>518856586 (OP)
thats not Barrons account you goddamn retard, Barron doesn't have 3 billion worth of BTC in his spot account

>>518857112
I agree. The only thing one could do is to wait for a major crash, everyone announcing the death of crypto, then buying in and holding for a few years again. As we saw, 20% is a matter of a few days. So 80% is easily possible when the economy shits the bed for some time, like in 2022.

>>518859115
>You don't even understand what a CEO is actually paid for.
But anon, I think CEO's salaries are fair...(maybe a bit inflated though). But relatively fair as an order-of-magnitude.
But I'm saying, the "billions" in valuation, that's not from their salary. That's from the magic-money device known as the Stock Market, whereby you profit simply through owning something.

The market is designed as a gambling house. It's designed to provide good gambles to their patrons. So if you're a bad-bet, you're not allowed on the market. This means most firms search for investment through backroom dealings. By the time the firm goes-public, it's already a mature firm with all its ducks in a row.
Because of this, the firms that get funded are those that have networked connections with wealthy billionaires. And the people who get on the ground-floor are the wealthy insiders who know all the inside-baseball on which is going to be the next big-thing. They're also able to clear the path for the new technology's arrival in washington.

So this thing called a "billionaire" it exists a creature of the stock market, wherever the market laws deviate slightly from free-market absolutism. They network with government, and private industry, they're almost like a feudal lord that is an agent of the system, managing the market for their own ends.

>>518857101
>President Vance will unite the country
with india

>>518858906
you're a moron who thinks he's smart while being totally wrong. take someone like jk rowling who writes stories and sells half a billion books that people gladly pay $15 each to buy and read. she gets only 20% of book revenues because it costs a lot to publish and market the books. so she gets $1.5 billion. no one loses or is screwed here. thats her money. she earned it by creating a thing people wanted. youre a fucking retarded socialist tranny.
and the stock market is dictated ultimately by futures earnings, which again come from people creating products and people voluntarily buying those products.

>>518856838
based

>>518857566
>How is it humanly possible for a person to create $100 billion in value for society?
amazon delivery/vendor service alone is the easiest example of it
it's absurd that you can order whatever bullshit you want, whenever you want, and by sheer fucking arcane processes does it arrive on your doorstep the next day

the sheer logistics that go into organizing the specific box of bullshit you requested among billions of other unspecific boxes and having it arrive both safely and timely is fucking insane
unprecedented, even
i would say that creates plenty of value, if we're ignoring the troublesome presence of wagecuck slavery and all the trampled freedoms that were sacrificed to reach these results

>>518859337
>someone like jk rowling who writes stories and sells half a billion books that people gladly pay $15 each to buy and read
But in free market theory, what is there?
1) Absolute competition
2) People behave in a rational manner, like a rational calculator

Whenever there is a deviation from those principles, you get something really fucked up happening. That's how people get unnatural levels of wealth.
For example, the Mars family made billions selling addictive candy products. In the face of cravings human beings are no longer "rational calculators" they have the behavior of addicts.

Or in the case of a media property like Rowling, crowd-behavior comes into play. Everyone wants to read it, because every else is reading it. These are no longer rational-calculators.
I mean look at the way that Hollywood can pump and dump celebrities into the mass consciousness, Justin Beiber, Elvis, the Backstreet Boys...etc. These are created-entities by a group of devious managers who know how to capitalize on herd-behavior.

I'm saying that the free market works, in theory. But there's all these avenues when it breaks down, because humans are not rational calculators, and perfect competition is a meme. So we need a more rationally manged system.

>>518856838
short =5'11

>>518859415
>amazon delivery/vendor service alone is the easiest example of it
It's an example of a network-monopoly.

For example, it's inefficient to provide a duplicate set of water pipes to everyone's house, just to provide "competition". You want to dig up the ground and install two duplicate sets of pipes JUST so the consumer can have a fantasy-choice? That's stupid, and a waste of resources. This is a natural monopoly.

In the same way, Amazon provides a distribution-network across the country. But it's actually inefficient to have a parallel netowrk of distribution centers, trucks, and all the rest. Therefore they are a natural monopoly.
Imagine if a single monopolist controlled the water-pipe network, they would get unnaturally inflated billions. That's what Amazon is doing.

They are also leveraging new technologies, but that's a different story and there's more theory on that.

>>518859310
>The market is designed as a gambling house.
lmfao, the market is rigged you stupid fuck, the house always wins. I'm sorry, but I just can't stand the amount of retardism in your replies anymore. At least I know your ignorance will one day fuck you up in some spectacular fashion, and you'll deserve it.

>>518857101
based, we love our jewish pedophiles don't we folks?

>>518859115
>>518859310
The CEO's main job is to be highly paid. The more highly paid, the better they are doing their job (not the reverse, how they perform is unimportant). "The executive pay escalator" demands CEOs are paid more and more every year.

The reason for this is the same as school children in Garrison Keillor stories - they must all be above average. What company hires an average CEO? A shit one. What company hires a below average CEO? Absolutely none of them. You only hire well above average CEOs and the way you know that is that you pay them well above average.

Degenerate late stage capitalism in general has a problem with value and causality.

>>518859809
It's funny to me a brit knows about Garrison Keillor. I guess you would though, he has that kind of affect to him.

Is this the massive wealth transfer they were talking about? From goycattle to kikes and their shabbos?

>>518859905
You're from Ukraine, you're either a jew or a shabbos.

>>518856586 (OP)
The top wallets take profits at roughly the same time each year. They simply timed it and hit. It was basically a lottery

>>518857057
Bitcoin is far removed from its original white paper purpose

i went on the X thread and two people checked and said the wallet address is not valid
then i went to pic rel and this is what it said
this is the third FAKE X post on this put on /pol/ in the last 2 days
AGAIN WALLET ADDRESS IS NOT REAL

>>518860423
>then i went to pic rel and this is what it said
this image for this text

Reminder that Shitcoin is only $100k+ thanks to the US government dumping their unsold treasury bonds into it via Tether stable coins

>>518856838
>Shorting
It's just the usual buy low / sell high, only in reverse. You borrow a Bitcoin and sell it, then you sit around until it gets cheaper and you buy a Bitcoin back and then pay it back.

>>518857627
>If you harvested 10 fish, you are worth 10 fish....etc.

>human body mass is larger than 10 fish
>has probably consumed more than 10 fish prior to becoming fisherman
That's probably the worst analogy you could have used.

>>518860554
Explain the exact mechanics at work here

>>518857030
Shut the fuck up kike.

People get rich from insider trading. The law is there simply to stop the goyim from making money.

>>518860742
He is right, you can't use bitcoin to transact, you buy bitcoin in an effort to sell it to someone else who also believes he can sell it to someone else for even higher price. Until you have sold you should treat all the money as lost because it can crash for no reason at any point. This isn't true with real goods because in the end you will still be left with a house you can live in or million tons of grains you can eat or what ever even if the "value" drops.

First cryptoscam presidency, lol lmao.

>>518857536
>autist
>retard
>scrap of hodl
Is this a repurposed wallet?

>>518860704
That's the anology Peter Schiff literally uses in his storybook bro. He uses fish as currency and uses the example that if someone caught 10 fish, they save 5 fish, they are now worth 5 fish....etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXQ7-bn1aNI

This is the libertarian view of the economy. The amount you are worth is equivalent to the amount of value you produced

I hate being a goyim slave and want to kill myself

>>518861153
>The amount you are worth is equivalent to the amount of value you produced
This is retarded because speculation doesn't create value. Buying assets and renting them to people poorer than you doesn't create value. Printing money and loaning it to governments at interest doesn't create value.

>>518857081
> snort a bunch of hebrew magic dust and hallucinate a real gotcha
YES
I just bought your Jewish asset
AND IT MADE ME FEEL LIKE A PIECE OF SHIT

>>518857101
Nigga this guy has a face vagina.

>>518862508
According to capitalism all three of those things create value.

>>518863105
Well, fuck capitalism, nigga.

>>518856586 (OP)
I love how faggots cry that the unregulated stuff meant to evade regulation is unregulated - this shit is legal with bitcoin.

If you want the protectionof the law you accept the limitations of the law.

>>518857057
Bitcoin had a brief life as a fiat currency for illegal activities but then quickly became another speculative bubble asset, the modern Dutch tulip.

>>518858161
This

>>518859310
>So this thing called a "billionaire" it exists a creature of the stock market, wherever the market laws deviate slightly from free-market absolutism.

So libertarianism is a spin off of communism with heaven on earth represented as "true" free market?