Thread 518913973

Jews believe in Jesus and write about him in the talmud - that he's boiling in excrement - isn't this inherently a belief in jesus' martyrdom thus making jews christians?

I'm a pagan for the record I just find this very funny, it seems to be upsetting to them as well

Jews and rabbis discuss, it's funny because according to certain christian laws anyone who believes in jesus is a christian, while any jew who is a christian (messianic jews) is not considered a jew

No, merely believing that Jesus existed and died in the way described in the Bible doesn't make you Christian.

>>518913973 (OP)
No it makes Jews Satanists. Talmudism is literally what I think of when I imagine a religion of satan worshippers

>>518914224
>Believe jesus died and is boiling in excrement in hell
>Implicit: Dying for our sins, taking on the sins of humanity and boiling in hell for it
Heres where you're wrong kiddo, after all, jesus died because his teachings went against jewish thought of the time, this means that jews INHERENTLY BELIEVE JESUS DIED FOR OUR SINS

>>518914290
Satanists come in two kinds
>Satan is an aspect of god
and
>Fuck god and all this gay shit I just want to be left alone
This encompasses neither of these things

>>518914595
Not at all. They just think Jesus was a dangerous heretic, which is why they killed him in the first place.

>>518914755
But having killed him, they killed him for his beliefs and actions - jesus believes he was acting to save us from our sins, ergo they believe jesus died for our sins, making them christians

>>518916470
They may believe that Jesus believed that's what he was doing, but that doesn't make it true.

>>518916590
Jesus believing he was dying for our sins make it true, his actions knowingly lead to his demise, thus the onus of what jesus died for is on jesus himself, as they are his own beliefs, the jews then killing him for his beliefs and actions in pursuit of this are thus christians, because for whatever the belief of jews at the time, they killed jesus for his beliefs/actions, thus they belief that jesus died for our sins

Whether they believe this was successful or not is irrelevant, as there are many denominations of christianity that belief his death was not enough, but any christian would agree that you are a christian if you believe jesus died for our sins, and the onus of what is a christian is on christians, as it is their law not the jewish law in question

meds
they don't believe that Jesus is the son of God

>>518913973 (OP)
They don't desire to do Jesus' works.
Jesus preached selflessness and giving to the poor & needy, converting people to believe in him for good, and to believe that his will is Gods and he sits on the throne of God in heaven.
If he wasn't God, how come his words help people live?

>>518916887
You're not a Christian if you think Jesus wasn't divine, as in his beliefs didn't describe reality.
If you think he was just a crazy guy whose death had no spiritual significance, you're not Christian.

>>518916964
They believe that man was created in gods image, ergo they believe that jesus was the son of man
>>518916979
Has a desire to do good ever been a unique identifier for a christian man?

>>518917093
Jews consider the talmud a divine law, by placing jesus within the talmud jesus is by definition considered divine, as he is part of a divine work

>>518917102
>They believe that man was created in gods image, ergo they believe that jesus was the son of man
Okay I knew you were trolling but this is just too stupid
Fuck this thread

>>518917216
>Not an argument
I accept your concession rabbi, thanks for admitting you are a christian

>>518917216
>>518917102

>Son of man
Son of god*
To believe otherwise is to say man is not created in gods image; god did not create man

>>518913973 (OP)
>Jews believe in Jesus and write about him in the talmud - that he's boiling in excrement - isn't this inherently a belief in jesus' martyrdom thus making jews christians?
stop being a fucking retard ok

>>518917102
>Has a desire to do good ever been a unique identifier for a christian man?
Judging by there being rich people in robes who only pretend to follow Christ, just like Jews who only speak Gods 10 commandments in word;
yes.

>>518917599
>REEEEEE
Not an argument, christian man

>>518917686
All christian beliefs profess forgiveness, making good will or action a nonfactor in being christian according to most christian sects

>>518917734
being retarded as you are isn't an argument.
jews are literally antichrists.

>>518917895
>Reee retard
Still no argument!
Jews are certainly not "good" christians, but they are absolutely christians according to their beliefs and law, and if you have no argument against this then I will accept your implicit agreement with this fact, christian man