Thread 519002184

But why?

>>519002184 (OP)
All the valuable land is in the west, with railways and cities and factories. The rest is just mongol yurts and frozen forests.

As for why - Hitler had intel USSR was going to invade. Maybe they were, maybe not, but Germany's generals believed it. It is worth noting that the head of Germany's military intelligence, was a British spy up until later in the war when Hitler made Himmler the head.

They were making a move. He had to get it on.

we crushed fascists

>>519002428
Judging by that KD ratio, kind of looks like you just ran screaming into machineguns and got mowed down until Germans ran out of ammo.

Commies should use this tactic every day until there are none left imo.

>>519002184 (OP)
Who knows. Their has it Germany could weather a defensive war in the east while winning in the west, but teo offensive wars would eventually break them

>>519002184 (OP)
Hitler was a degenerate junkie that was overdosing on Pervitin and fell for his own propaganda koolaid that Slavs are inferior. If his goal was to destroy Germany in catastrophic defeat he did a hell of a job at that.

>>519002184 (OP)
He needed to secure US neutrality before he turned on the Soviets. What he should have done in the late Summer/fall of 1940 is announce that he will (don't actually follow through, but announce in advance) step down as Fuhrer on the 8th anniversary of him coming to power. 8 years is long enough for any one person to have all that power. Only a tyrant would want to stay on longer.

Why make this announcement? Because what happens in November of 1940? Now FDR is under pressure to retire, then someone like Linbergh becomes POTUS. The odds of USA actually joining the Axis is basically zero, but the odds of them remaining permanently neutral, especially if FDR's gone, is pretty good.

Russia is like Canada. It is very big, that doesn't mean it's a very powerful country.

>>519002674
Didn't your cunt lose a war to Canada this year?

>>519002643
USA was already firing on German ships and sending war supplies to Britain, there is no world in which usa doesn't protect their shekels.

>>519002674
Careful or we'll burn your white house down again

>>519002184 (OP)
> Why
Hitler needed gas and oil. It's that simple

>>519002184 (OP)
hitler wanted to colonize russia.
germany lost wwi because it lacked resources and food. taking over the soviet union would solve that.
it's all in "mein kampf"

>>519002184 (OP)
The biggest answer i never see anyone point out:
Hitler was NOT expecting the west to stuff the USSR with aid.
Without the aid (which was more than just weapons - it was also food, clothing, factory parts, locomotives, rolling stock...) I guarantee you it would have been only how far German logistics could go and there would not have been a counterattack.
Hitler didn't expect the west to bail out the Bolsheviks.

>>519002184 (OP)
Stupidest move by Shitler

the end was very well earned.

>>519002884
> Germany didn't expect Jews to support the Jews on the other side when Germany came knocking
That doesn't make sense

fascists are retarded, simple as. delusions of grandeur that get snuffed out when slapped in the face with reality.

trump and the republicans are just the latest breed of fascist infection in the west. one way or another, america and the west will rise back, liberalism always wins in the end. if republicans were actually popular, they wouldn't have to cheat so fucking hard to get into power. pathetic fucking dogs. every single traitor will be locked up in alligator alcatraz and fed to the alligators. publicly televised for everyone to see, just like charlie wanted. demonic fucks.

>>519002888
I only ever see poles and russians glorifying in civilian deaths. I have never once in my life seen Germans or French doing anything like that. This is how I know that the Germans are innocent of the accusations against them and the poles and russians are guilty - I can see the genocidal mindset on full display openly even today.

>>519002184 (OP)
What the fuck is "IGARKA"? Why there is a dot on it?
>>519002184 (OP)
why?
What "why" retard? Losses? In Shekelgoober`s army were vets of the WW1 such as herr Junger. In Churkashwilli`s not a single one of them.

>>519003081
>delusional mutt
Please be gone.

>>519003018
They didn't understand the extent of the control. He kept offering peace treaties to Britain throughout the whole thing, before and after Dunkirk.

>>519002351
>All the valuable land is in the west, with railways and cities and factories. The rest is just mongol yurts and frozen forests.
right answer.
also stalin made the deal because he was genuinely in need of time to build up against what germany had become.
stalin made the deal to buy time and this wasnt from a position of strength.
if hitler had taken moscow, stalingrad and leningrad, it was over for russia - it would have regrouped where? the germans came within a year of doing that.
who expected the usa and britain to come to stalin's rescue?
patton said it best, the jewnited states fucked up, backed the wrong side.

>>519003195
Apologize for Beck starting WW2.

>>519003195
>Says the lovechild of Germany and Russia.

>>519002184 (OP)
Hitler had a chip on his shoulder about WWI. He thought Germany deserved to win. So he started WWII and proved once and for all that Germany was always destined to lose. Muh Jews, muh communists was always a cope.

>>519002888
>Stupidest move by Shitler
he didnt have to leave any of you to exist.
this is how you repay hitler's kindness for sparing your kin?

>>519002884
>Hitler was NOT expecting the west to stuff the USSR with aid.
ding ding ding ding
correct.

>>519003290
>another mutt delusion
why are brown people so low IQ?

>>519002840
>it lacked resources and food. taking over the soviet union would solve that.
Nazi Germany was already being traded massive quantities of materials and resources from the USSR. Soviet Union was literally fueling Germany's war machine as it rampaged across Europe. No one else would trade with Nazi Germany and yet they cut ties with their biggest trading partner when they launched Operation Barbarossa. Barbaric move. Even thought it caught Stalin off guard, all momentum eventually fizzled out and then they got their shit pushed back all the way to the Reichstag.

>>519002428
I thought the Soviet Union wasn't 'real communism'?

>>519003342
>3rd low IQ mutt in this thread
fluorinated tap water victims

>>519002888
No, the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact was the stupidest move.

>>519003342
>niggered someone else`s land because of butthurt
>YOU MUST BE GRATEFUL HE LEFT YOU ALIVE

Lmao, rolf even.

>>519002884
>Hitler didn't expect the west to bail out the Bolsheviks.
he would have had he known how badly the god damned jews had already gotten their claws in with bernays, freud's shit, womens suffrage, the frankfurt school and the like. the frankfurt school relocated to the jewnited states and infected universities with their shit right away
if anything, hitler railing against the filthy jews too hard before he took over sent all those drugged out boozing banking fucking jews to the united states in fear.
lesson learned for hitler 2.0, rail against some other thing besides the jew and go suprise TKD suddenly.

>>519002184 (OP)
stalin was going to invade europe eventually to spread communism. stalins true adversary was capitalism. we should've allied with germany and wiped out the commies then and there.

>>519003468
For Stalin. He didn't know it was a trap by Shitler.
For Hitler because he didn't know that UK would actually declare a war against him and he didn't want that.

But far more so for Stalin

>>519003452
>fluorinated tap water victims
never drink tap water retard.
i hope putin fucks you up, pussy. you are spitting in the face of the people who supplied the gear for your faggot military
and you choose to let jews in to preach your love of homosexuality
you think you can suck jewish dick and felch jewish ass and stand up to putin while insulting the whites of america?
have fun faggot.

>>519002888
Oh shut the fuck up Poland. You helped start the war: https://www.unz.com/article/why-germany-invaded-poland/
You've given the world nothing and you constantly get your ass beat, and yet you end up with more land than you deserve. I used to be neutral on Poland, but the Poles on /pol/ act like niggers: excessive pride despite accomplishing nothing.

>>519003407
trade is good, free is better

>>519002184 (OP)
>Soviet army size is smaller than killed and prisonered together
Pottery

>>519003568
>stalins true adversary was capitalism
stalin's only adversary were people who were plotting to remove him from power
all the world communist types he had executed and gulaged or ran out of the country.
that whole workers of the world unite shit died once stalin took over.
stalin didnt align with countries to create the eastern bloc for ideology, it was about power and control.
he understood the russian mind far better than the basic bolshevik types he had shot at lubyanka
it was the bolsheviks and tortskyites that were into this race shit and perpetual revolution crap.
stalin was the new tzar.
when stalin was finally murdered the USSR had a totalitarian tzarist war machine and had to think of what to do with it.

>>519002184 (OP)
Russia had much less soldiers. There were many soldiers on the borders of Japan and Central Asia, plus Germany had many European allies. In the first months of the war, the ratio was 2 to 1.

>>519003695
>4th dumb fucking mutt in this thread
I collect you dygenics like pokemons.

>>519003637
Hitler was a bitch. There's the kind of optimistic nationalism that's about working for your country. That's Manifest Destiny. Then there's the Wakanda-tier slop for retards. That's Hitler.

>>519003847
>Russia

>>519003917
Manifest destiny was the wakanda retardation that got your white house burnt down.

>>519003853
Do you have a single intelligent thing to say?

>Polish flag
Nevermind

>>519003733
>free
Millions and millions of German lives were wasted needlessly for Shitler's retarded Napoleonic ambitions. There was nothing free about that.
>>519003568
Trotsky was the one that wanted permanent revolution, dumbass. Stalin wanted Socialism In One Country. Stalin had Trotsky assassinated. You can't even get the basics down.

>>519004073
I can't even look at you mutts as human beings. You're too stupid. I guess you're the victims of monoliguality - your brain is just naturally retarded.

How can I even start a discussion with a person who's so immune to basic facts and makes up shit from the very start?

>>519003568
so we ended up stopping communist takeover in europe as well as stopping german imperialism with allied involvement?
are you stupid? or just another brownoid larping as a nazi on 4chud?

>>519003917
Rank Leader / Empire Approx. Peak Year Area (million km2) % of Earth’s Land
1 British Empire 1920 35 26 %
2 Mongol Empire 1270s 24 18 %
3 USSR (Stalin) 1945 22 17 %
=>4 NSDAP Germany 1942 12 9 %
5 Qing China 1790 15 11 %
6 Napoleon Empire 1812 5 4 %
7 Roman Empire 117 AD 5 4 %
8 Alexander 323 BC 5.2 4 %
9 Ottoman Empire 1566 5.2 4 %
sure. and given the british empire had swaths of land of total shit like india and australia. and stalin's ussr - middle to the east was total shit land, hitler almost took the entire jewels of russia/ussr entirely.
hitler took over the best land with modern weapons - say what you want, but NSDAP germany kicked some serious fucking ass.
we can only hope someone after hitler can do this good of a job again.
sure he lost because two should-be mortal enemies, the jewnited states and stalin, made friends to take out hitler.

>>519004283
Can you stop with the incoherent seethe and I might actually read your post?

>Shitler
>4chud

All of these meme words, feels like this is an LLM thread.

>>519002184 (OP)
because The Soviets were going to attack germany once the allies were defeated
it basically had to happen at some point and the nazis decided the soviet union was at its most vulnerable at that time
not sure how things would have went if they had waited until later

>>519003262
>>519003018
Hitlers actual biggest mistake was believing that other western nations would wake up the Jewish question like Germany did. He relied to much on the fact that the UK would wake up. He was very wrong. The UK is literally the country of the best goyim ever. They are entirely subservient to jews

>>519004431
You start with a nonsense. Maybe stop being stupid for once then I can talk with you. So far, you're not very convincing.

>>519004492
lol dumbfuck
yes i'm sure it was just about waking up to jews and nothing at all to do with wanting his country and people to conquer the world and make you his bitch.
why is every nazi virgin such a cuck

>>519004670
Up until it became clear that Britain was never going to negotiate, Hitler only ever annexed land with a German majority.

>>519002358
Based and Wayngro-pilled

>>519004670
Ya, Germany was going to conquer the entire planet from the people who had actually conquered the entire planet.

You have a small peanut in your brain that exudes a very limited intelligence. Maybe you should look at the condition of Germany pre ww2 and realize that a world conquest was fucking impossible.

>>519004381
The only significant military victory the Nazis had was versus France led by the old guard from WWI. Poland was fighting Germant and Russia at once with limited mobilization early on. The rest of Europe was effectively disarmed because of peace efforts during the interwar period.
We were neutral. The UK had a massive empire to maintain. Early on, Germany was the only country with a young, dynamic leadership prepared and willing for war. Once that changed, the German war machine quickly collapsed.

>>519002884
The first equipment arrived by the time Nazis had already been driven out of the Soviet Union and began to collapse with most of the Lend-Lease equipment never even seeing the front lines. The military support provided to the Soviet Union was insignificant, humanitarian aid was far more important. All truly important battles that changed the course of WW2 were fought without the help of US or UK
Lend-Lease was not a gesture of goodwill, it was a bet on the obvious winner that hurt the Soviet Union more than it helped in the long run

>>519003695
>https://www.unz.com/article/why-germany-invaded-poland/
"What did cause conflict between Germany and Poland was the so-called Free City of Danzig. Danzig was founded in the early 14th century and was historically the key port at the mouth of the great Vistula River."
Actually there are papal bulls from the middle of the 12th century speaking of the city, which was of course a part of Poland. Should I read any further? Germans (honest ones) will say it straight: they wanted land and taking the Slavic lands was a good option. Slavs know this too. Hitler himself writes in Mein Kampf "The future goal of our foreign policy [...] ought to be an Eastern policy which will have in view the acquisition of such territory as is necessary for our German people." It's as explicit as it gets. Basically everyone agrees one that simple point, except Americans with public school education and a lot to say about things they clearly know nothing of.

>>519004879
>Based and Wayngro-pilled

>>519003288
>if hitler had taken moscow, stalingrad and leningrad
3 pretty big ifs desu

>>519005438
they were certainly knocking at the door - the mistake was to get in the city and go door to door, encirclements would have been preferred way and starve them out, the problem ended up being starving out russians in winter with a 1000 mile long supply train isnt an easy thing to do.

If Hitler was smart he would have just made a long-term economic plan, dealt with the jewish problem WITHOUT putting them in labour camps, and then won the West through the export of culture and art. Investing in german agents in movie industries, books, music, so on.
Basically, outkike the kikes.

>>519002488
judging by the KD ratio I have to wonder how Hitler lost a war against a country that has a military of negative 400,000
>this is a poorly disguised shitpost, shame on everyone who bumped this thread
>all fields

>>519003288
The USSR was flooded which prevented Germany's invasion at the start of summer. They didn't have an entire year to wait to invade until conditions were perfectly ideal.

That's the only reason why Germany lost WW2. If the weather favored them after the battle of France the Germans would've won the battle of Moscow and thus the war.

>>519004879
>>519005323
I got a couple of moves I could make, could probably help you out

>>519004473
Complete horseshit. Stalin wasn't even prepared to defend against Germany, let alone attack them. He outright rejected the idea that Hitler would be stupid enough to attack the Soviet Union. It's as absurd as saying China is preparing to invade the US mainland right now.

>>519005853
>the weather favored them after the battle of France the Germans would've won the battle of Moscow and thus the war.
Napoleon took Moscow, got there faster than the blitzkrieg in fact, and it didn't matter

>>519002184 (OP)
Germany lost way more than 740k lmao. By 1943 the Nazi losses in the east were 2 million.

>>519002184 (OP)
Jews masquerading as fellow Nazis convinced Hitler to conquer the USSR or die trying. He chose to die trying.

>>519003288
>if hitler had taken moscow, stalingrad and leningrad
That held nothing of importance at the time? Buddy, all of the actually important shit was evacuated beyond the Urals by that time. A city with its industry hollowed out doesn't impact your fighting capabilities all that much. A few more symbolic victories would only delay the inevitable collapse of their overstretched supply lines.

>>519002184 (OP)
Why do you spam this thread all the time?

>>519005853
here are the other factors besides weather
mfg - the ussr, us and uk was able to outproduce germany in tanks, planes, refined oil and supplies
supply lines - supply lines were too long and fragile, with inadequate transport and fuel
strategy - hitler should have focused everything on moscow, and ignored stalingrad and leningrad until later
alliances - the usa and uk being allied with ussr made it very hard for italy and japan to fill in that gap, at the point the alliances was solidified, the axis was in for it
man power - ussr had endless meat puppets and capacity to mobilize and brutal scorched earth retreats, fucking with russians is grim, especially on home turf
the germans underestimated soviet willpower and overestimated their ability to endure.
...
that said - i give the germans an a+ for effort and efficacy. the per-soldier efficacy of the german in ww2 may never been seen again.

>>519005438
Remember when Hitler commanded army group center to take Kiev instead of Moscow? To take Ukraine and the Crimea? This was not only to protect the Romanain oil fields but to secure the resources to fight the war.

Guderian wanted to take Moscow instead of Ukraine. To knock Russia out like the Germans did in Warsaw and Paris. But by that time WW2 was already a war of attrition and even if Germany managed to take Moscow they would've suffered a "Stalingrad" in Moscow and had their flank open and oil fields ravaged.
>>519006058
Remember Germany did throw around 1 million soldiers to take Moscow in 1941 but failed. Just like Napoleon. German and French soldiers fighting side by side.

>>519006137
>the inevitable collapse of their overstretched supply lines.
probable. the russians start completely demoralized, so you can wear them down by shitting on their special places. i still give germans big credit for the amount of landed the managed to control at the height in 1942.
the brutality of relocating shit away from those cities was impressive, as in, the ussr was able to force relocate strategic capacity at speeds which seem impossible.

>>519002725
No?

>>519003081
(((slavs))) are untermensch

>>519006219
Germany couldn't focus all forces on Moscow. it was too late. Remember the Germans encircled and destroyed 500k soviet soldiers at Kiev. Which the USSR was pumping soldiers into. Stalin refused to give up Kiev because he believed from his spies that Hitler would again try to take Moscow. Moscow was to be a "stalingrad" trap. The soviets even had plans to demolish the city if they lost it.

Remember the lesson of Leningrad too. If you try and starve out a city without entering it it won't die. Leningrad refused to die. I'm not sure how they survived but the soviets were able to keep the city alive along enough to extract conscripts from it. Supplies in, troops out.

Never invade Russia, never invade Afghanistan, never get involved in a land war in Asia.

>>519005543
The response to the siege of leningrad showed there was no realistic scenario where nazis could have occupied russians. No amount of fanfic will ever change that the third reich were fucking imbeciles

>>519006345
>the brutality of relocating shit away from those cities was impressive, as in, the ussr was able to force relocate strategic capacity at speeds which seem impossible.

Not really because we learned about the gulags. Basically there were railroads that took the prisoners of the state to the forced labor camps there. Nobody knew about this even until the 1980s. So Stalin had in secret millions of slaves in camps to provide the soviets with all the raw materials they needed to build the tanks, planes and guns in the cities factories. It was genius as it was bloodthirsty and ruthless. Nobody really understands this but Stalin was the biggest slaver the world has ever seen just like the Pharaohs.

>>519002643
The US joined the war because Japan attacked and then the Germans declared war on the US. In your hypothetical scenario the Japanese would probably have still attacked.

for the luls

>>519002184 (OP)
Soviets deserved it for being little bitches and they deserved worse.

>>519007278
How did the west defeat the USSR after WW2 when they had 1 billion slaves?

>>519002609
Slavs are inferior, hitler only lost because he made superior anglos angry

>>519005438
They were extremely close for each. Leningrad was under siege. Moscow was almost under siege. Stalingrad was taken but then the counter-attack encircled the Germans in the city.

Any one of these falling would have meant the soviets would probably lose the war.

>>519006817
>if you invade your enemy you lose

>>519002184 (OP)
Jesus christ so many fucking bolshevik subhumans

>>519007599
most of the time this is true
90% of the hard work in a war is done by the invader than the defender

>>519006261
Napoleon did take moscow, he just didnt expect russians to be so cowardly and pathetic that they would abandon their own capital

>>519002184 (OP)
Hitler always wanted an empire in eastern Europe for Germany.

In WWI Germany defeated Russia, but couldn't defeat France. In WWII to that point, Germany had defeated France.

The Soviet army had humilated itself failing to conquer Finland and settling for border territories to claim a victory.

>>519007458
There have never been 1 billion slaves in the USSR, you moron.

In the last census of 1989, the USSR had about 286 million.

>>519007798
Guess where the Russians got the idea to trap the Germans in Stalingrad from? They let them take the city then starved them out. Basically overextending.
>>519007936
The USSR sucks at wars of aggression. The forces they had in Berlin were miniscule. Had Patton been allowed to take Berlin he would've done so.

>>519007700
>lazy for work
>lazy for war
WHYPEEPO RACIS DEMONS YA KNOW!!!

>>519002184 (OP)
>But why?

Nothing beyond that line of Stalingrad, Leningrad, and Moscow is going to be able to provide any meaningful resistance. If Moscow fell then the Soviets would have lost the war. Retreating a 6 million man army to Siberia with no supplies to sustain it is a recipe for mass starvation.

>>519007982
>There have never been 1 billion slaves in the USSR, you moron.

That's Reagans own words not mine.

>>519008056
Trapping them in stalingrad is fine, but you never anandon your capital that is cowardice

>>519008276
If it wins you the war - why should you care? That's an unhealthy obsession with symbolism.

>>519008276
cowardice is the prime bolshevik virtue
that and quallity
you don't need bravery when you can send a billion people to die for you

>>519002884
Another element you typically don't hear about.
By 1941, his staff was already lying to him about their foreign intelligence.
Hitler was the sane and rational mind in that war cabinet. The rest were properly mad by comparison and driven insane by the ideology that was meant to elevate them.

>>519008365
what bolsheviks were left by 1944 ussr?

>>519006345
>you can wear them down by shitting on their special places
Has this bullshit strategy ever actually worked?

>>519008109
Yes but the Germans ran out of time. Moscow was the rail center hub of the soviet union. That's why Guderian wanted to knock Moscow out so supplies would be cut off to Stalingrad and Leningrad. Maybe he was right because by wasting time capturing Ukraine the soviets had their rail system intact.

>>519003022
>liberalism always wins in the end.
lmao
learn some history retard

>>519008345
Well the USSR won the battle and not the war. It doesn't exist anymore. Meanwhile had Germany won the state would last 1000 years.

>>519008056
>The USSR sucks at wars of aggression.
Russia has always historically sucked at projecting power outside its borders, and often, even at projecting power within its own borders outside of its core territories located around Moscow and St. Petersburg. Their logistics networks have always been underdeveloped and backwards by western European standards. Their superpower is being such an armpit of hell that enemy armies just get trapped in there and die, but if the Russians ever try to leave, then they get overextended and get trapped and die.

>>519002184 (OP)
Because Hitler had just conquered France in a year which nobody thought was possible while the Soviets failed to conquer Finland despite their army being bigger than the entire population. With an embarrassing performance like that Hitler assumed that the Soviets were so incompetent that their entire regime was would instantly collapse if hit hard enough by the by that point invincible German war machine (and it almost nearly did). Then all those Russian oil fields would be Germany’s alone.

>>519008533
Yeah, speculative history is a funny thing, you can claim pretty much anything you want.

>>519007599
Yes? Did you think greentexting the truth made some kind of point?

>>519008345
Imagine someone tries to break into your house, but you dont want to fight to defend it so you leave them to burn it down and then retake the burned ruins when they are tired and don't have the enrgy to fight, its the same thing, but trapping them in your shed until they're tired and can't fight would be fine. I'm reffering to Napoleonic wars btw not WW2

>>519008141
Reagan was a moron. And no, he didn't defeat the USSR. The Jews did. It's KGB chief Andropov (a Jew) who brought Gorbachev to power.

>>519008441
>>you can wear them down by shitting on their special places
meant to say cant wear down pre-demoralized russians...
maintaining that taking the capital or largest city often ends a conflict, but it might also be that overcoming the most fortified area and that happens to be the capital. who knows, but often taking the capital signals the end.

>>519008603
I know from history that the soviets won WW2 but lost the cold war. I know that the 3rd Reich was destroyed by outsides forces against a common enemy without any shared ideology. I know Germany was self sufficient during WW2 and the USSR and the British Empire were not. It's not really speculated but informed opinion.

Furthermore i know countries with Aryan people's like Germany and America will survive while the rest of the planet goes into chaos.

>>519002184 (OP)
Didn’t expect america to bail them out

>>519008454
The biggest encirclement in human history was pulled off by the Germans at Kiev where they captured 500,000 Russian soldiers. That is a staggering number. It was definitely to Germany's advantage to obliterate the red army in such a way.

The real problem was the freak winter, the coldest in 100 years. If not for what was basically a natural destroying the werhrmacht's logistics and killing a lot of their men, Germany would have been set to take Moscow for sure. Then without the logistics, the entire north of Russia would have been indefensible.

Equally good would have been if Germany had seized the caucasus and had a permanent source of oil other than romania; while starving the soviets out of it.

>>519008649
Did you think being a christcuck is a noble virtue and not a cowardly, lying-to-self sissiness?

>>519008587
Hence why Putin couldn't capture Ukraine and only the donbass regions close to home.

I enjoyed Dan Carlin's "Ghosts of the Ostfront" quite a bit. Really wouldn't want to be a German soldier encircled in Stalingrad.

>>519003018
>muh joos
Stalin had already purged all the Bolshevik Jews by that point and their religion was just as outlawed by his state atheism laws as Christianity

>>519002184 (OP)
YOLO

>>519002428
The Soviet Union crushed itself eventually, so yes.

>>519008706
>but you dont want to fight to defend it
Because it would end with you dead and the place still lost, yeah. Stuff you own is just that, stuff. Nothing more. Staying alive to reclaim it is a nice, pragmatic solution. Everything else is pointless grandstanding that will get you killed sooner or later.

>>519008813
>The biggest encirclement in human history was pulled off by the Germans at Kiev where they captured 500,000 Russian soldiers.

Yeah but big deal. Then after WW2 10 million Germans were relocated from Prussia thus ethnically cleansed. 2 million were starved in Eisenhowers "death camps".

The weather during WW2 really fucked Germany badly though. It's like mother nature wanted to Germany to lose by default.

>>519008996
Thats such a jewish way of thinking, where is the honour and glory?

>>519009112
Honor and glory are for the grunts on the ground. And even then they exist only to help those poor souls find some meaning in their suffering. War by itself is a sordid and brutal affair, as it should rightly be. Idealism and obsession with optics among the high officers is a liability, not an asset.

>>519008996
>>519009112
LOL. I think about this a lot i'm glad you guys brought it up. I always imagine Russians fleeing their cities and waiting out in the swamps and marshes until the enemy runs out of food and water then has to go home.

>>519002184 (OP)
Well one had western troops and the other had slav?

>>519008948
>only once
Shekelgoober was larping as Nietschean. So he will be dilating in his bunker again and again and again in the eternal return of the same.

>>519002184 (OP)
A lot of those casualties were civilians.

>>519002184 (OP)
It was kino

>>519009112
Anon, this is Russia. There are maybe like a dozen nice palaces or cathedrals in the whole country, the rest of the buildings are either quasi-medieval peasant huts or commie block tenements with cracked foundations and graffiti in the hallways.

There is absolutely nothing worth dying over in that country. Go to google maps, and try to find a nice place anywhere in the whole country. Unironically - most of Africa looks cleaner and more modern.

>>519008735
But my question is why didn't the soviets stop the jews? Why not continue on the dictatorship of Stalin? Why give up Poland? Why give up territories? Why give up? The USSR was strong? Or was it not? You act like people loved it. They got tried of working for the state in their communist housing and being pushed around by the government thugs.

You act like the bread lines didn't exist. Meanwhile in America the bread lines wait on you...

>>519008758
It didn't work for Napoleon, I can confidently say it wouldn't have worked for Hitler either.

>>519009468
Germany's generals definitely studied Napoleon and took a much different approach. Napoleon kind of just wandered into the country, set up a single line of logistics, then squatted in Moscow waiting for the Russians to come to him to negotiate for their capital back.

Hitler actually physically occupied a good chunk of the country and had very stable and long term logistics networks set up, with local volunteers, local resource procurement, etc. It was a far more intelligent attempt, and only barely failed, while Napoleon's attempt was hopeless from the start.

>>519003288
>who expected the usa and britain to come to stalin's rescue?
Hitler declared war on the US after Pearl Harbor - which he didn't have to under the Triparty pact since Japan was the aggressor. It was also only 2 days after the German Army reached the outskirts of Moscow.
He FAFO'd and gave them all a common foe. He was a strategic retard, and completely overextended himself on every front after winning round 1 easily in the West.

>>519002351
Hitler was going to get it but he got in the way of his generals. He ordered some faggot pincer move and detour when his generals already had moscow in their palm. Hitler was stupid and never went to officer school

>>519009668
US was already in an undeclared war with Germany. US ships were openly firing on German ships and providing recon for the British. Germany declaring war allowed them to fight back without any hypocritical double standards of trying to appease an enemy who was already shooting at them.

>>519002488
1:1.6
Does it retard?

>>519008848
Who are you talking to?

>>519009689
The encirclement of Kiev was literally the largest military encirclement in human history, and resulted in the capture of half a million soviet soldiers. It was also necessary to secure the flanks.

>>519009236
The high office are spiritually Jewish then, imagine telling any of the greats throughout history to abandon their home to an enemy. Those on the ground don't even get to believe they are fighting and dying with honour if they abandon the place they to let the enemy have their way with it
>>519009246
I dont kmow the fine details about how russians waited when napoleon took moscow, its just such a strange event in in all of history, i cant think of any other war when people abandoned their own capital
>>519009422
And i dont have the nicest house but if anyone tried taking it from me id die defending it

>>519009668
the decision to get the usa into the war was done by the time of pearl harbor, and he usa needed a political excuse to get in since the usa's population didnt want to get involved.
this is why pearl harbor was allowed to happen and all the big assets were out at sea. there is no way us would have just gone to war with japan only so hitlers declaration was moot

>>519009826
Yeah yeah, whatever, Those who glorify war deserve to die in one.

>>519002884
Wow almost 1% of Soviet production supplied almost entirely after Stalingrad was won

>>519009063
War in Eastern Europe is always blisteringly hot or bone chillingly cold. No in-between.

>>519009758
Brilliant moral high ground. Only problem was that the American public would have never allowed FDR to fight Germany first after Pearl Harbor. Hitler allowed FDR the luxury of turning to Europe first by declaring war against the US. The US had only declared war on Japan on the 8th, but thanks to Hitler, was able to reciprocate on December 11th.
Again, strategic retard.

>>519009826
>die like an idiot defending something you can rebuild
>the enemy now has your house anyway, but you are dead and can do nothing about it

>>519009894
>>519010028
Spiritual jews

>>519002643
>AND THEN EVERYONE CLAPPED
Kek what a retard

>>519004473
>source: my imagination
Interesting

>>519009978
They were already de facto in a state of war anyways. Do you think Germany was just going to let US ships provide war supplies and warship escorts for the British when the entire German strategy was to blockade Britain by Uboat? If the us public didn't want to be at war maybe they shouldn't have been doing all of these things to support Germany's enemies? You can't be upset when Germany takes the only rational response, but united statiens aren't exactly rational.

Germany would have won and actually had the war won until the U.S under commie traitor FDR sent Russian Land List and gave them everything to hold back the Germans.

>>519009645
Nah Hitler had it all figured out. He created the SS which was a political organization that would administer areas the German army liberated from the soviet union. That's why the jews hunt the SS after the war and not the German army. German army were told to disband and go home.
>>519009978
FDR was a war monger that was trying to get America into war in Europe from the beginning. it didn't start with Pearl Harbor. it started with embargos to Germany and then direct military support to Germany's enemies. Pearl Harbor was allowed to happen to get Americans into a war frenzy in general. This allowed America to repeal amendments in order to create a war machine. From my research the Germans didn't actually know much about America and their spies more or less were caught and turned(imprisoned, captured) by the FBI.

>>519010161
USA was and is a war mongering nation. In fact president Wilson was forced into WW1 despite running on the platform America would never get into a foreign war.

>>519010209
>Land List
Shouldn't've have bombed dem purl hard boat

>>519010161
You mean the war supplies that would have been redirected to the war against Japan? There was a huge neutrality faction in the American public toward Europe - that disappeared instantly when Hitler decided to declare war.
A smarter leader would have kept his cool and realized that declaring war himself on the biggest industrial economy on the planet was suicidal. Should have let the Japs take the heat - they didn't let him know about Pearl Harbor. Should have given them some time on their own.

>>519009325
Shekelgoober larping as Nietzsche? Bro, you couldn’t spell “Übermensch” if your life depended on it. You’re stuck in the eternal return of being a basement-dwelling edgelord who thinks quoting /pol/ copypasta makes you profound. Sit down, your brain’s on loop and it’s buffering.

>>519009257
>only once
Says the guy who’s posted the same “Hitler should’ve taken Moscow” cope 14 times this week. Your takes are as recycled as your mom’s bathwater. Nobody asked. Nobody cares. Go touch grass or something.

>>519009188
>Imagine someone tries to break...
Imagine finishing your sentence. Or your thoughts. Or your life. You’re typing like your keyboard’s missing half the keys and your brain’s missing all of them. Do us a favor and stop mid-sentence permanently.

>>519009001
>Yes? Did you think greentexting the truth made some kind of point?
Greentexting isn’t your problem, dumbass—it’s that your “truth” is just warmed-over 4chan cope from 2016. You’re not exposing anything, you’re just cosplaying as a truther with the intellectual depth of a puddle.

>>519008948
>Shekelgoober was larping as Nietschean.
It’s Nietzsche, you illiterate gremlin. But sure, keep mangling German philosophy while you seethe about basedboys and jeets in your mom’s basement. Eternal return? More like eternal cope.

>>519010143
Nah he got that right, it would be the most logical thing to do. A unified Europe would be a clear and present threat, and the best time to nip that shit in the bud would be right after victory. You'd get to use fresh troops against thoroughly exsanguinated armies, and most of the people you'd "liberate" would see you as a savior. It's a perfect scenario.

>>519002184 (OP)
>But why?
Because Stalin had a massive buildup on the border which was poorly concealed
Germans caught wind of it, put it together with the hostile moves Stalin was making towards German allies (namely Romania) with land demands, and understood Stalin wanted to take all of Europe
Germany did the only thing they could, struck first

>>519002888
This. Faggots ITT forget how much of a tactical moron shitler was. Also, what kind of pussy kills himself because he lost. Only a kraut.

>>519010393
If Germany couldn't blockade Britain then the war was hopeless regardless. The whole point of the entire uboat campaign was to force Britain to negotiate by blockading it. Germany was doing pretty well up until more advanced countermeasures against uboats were developed. It wouldn't matter how mad usa was if Germany could just sink all their shipments.

>>519010415
>as Nietzsche?
As Nietschean*, smelly boy. And moreover was a fucking ressintemental socialist. But you haven`t read a single book in your life. So in a case of (you) he would be right anyway.

>>519010652
It was traditional European military honor for a general to choose death over defeat. Ever heard the saying "a captain goes down with his ship"? This practice literally dates back to ancient Rome.

>>519005257
>quickly collapsed

As it always did. Lel

>>519010393
Americans were never going to wage war against Japan first no matter what. Decisions in Washington DC decided this tactic long before pearl harbor as the main agenda of WW2 was always to regime change Germany. All actions and moves of the jews since 1933 were to regime change Germany. WW2 didn't start in 1941 or 1942. It started in 1933.
>>519010713
Yes but it was also a signal of Germany's defeat in Russia. No longer was Germany fighting to the initiative but to create another armistice and stalemate like following WW1. Germany only starting producing uboats in massive numbers after they stopped producing tanks.

>>519005853
So God ordained jews to win
Kek

>>519002184 (OP)
Germany had a powerful army but no way to leverage it against Britain, a wholly outmatched navy that was proving incapable of disrupting British convoys enough to change the outcome of the war, and an air force in terminal decline losing every battle it fought. It was slowly being starved out of resources in fortress Europe under siege.

The only clear path to victory was to find the resources it's economy needed continentally. Foremost was fuel. Had they not attacked the Soviets, they would have lost a slow war. Attacking the Soviets gave them a path forward, and they came astoundingly close to success.

Had British tanks not flooded into the front from Archangelsk, Moscow would have fallen and Soviet logistics would have collapsed. One of the biggest German miscalculations of the war was their belief that they could close the Arctic shipping route long enough to defeat the Soviets in detail. Instead they nearly lost their surface fleet trying, and were forced to face combined Soviet and British industry in a single front.

>>519002184 (OP)

>map doesn't include ukraine

ummm bias much? do these niggers just believing ukraine wasnt in soviet union? germany just opened door and walked 2 feet into russia?

>>519010936
God's chosen...

>>519010713
And Japan's attack against Pearl Harbor would have completely changed the whole "undeclared" war in the Atlantic if Hitler wasn't stupid. If the US wasn't at war with Germany, FDR is going to have a hard time sending supplies and Lend Lease shit to the UK and the Soviet Union just because he wanted to be involved over there. Actually, if Hitler had been smarter he could have feigned shock at the Pearl Harbor attack - he actually was since his "ally" didn't share their plans - and make some meaningless jester to bring the sides together.
But he was an idiot and an arrogant one at that, and even as his army was being pushed back from Moscow by divisions he didn't even know existed, he still thought everything was going to be a cakewalk.
Not finishing off the British before Barbarossa was error #1, but #2 was his declaration of war against the US allowing FDR to get his way completely on the US priorities.

>>519002184 (OP)
>3,500,000 taken prisoner
imagine believing this

>>519002884

You know what I learned about four years ago? The USSR and the Russian government never paid us back for that equipment. It was a loan with a supposed return we were supposed to get from them at a later undefined date. Ever since the end of the war there have been only a handful of attempts by Congress to get the money back from the current Russian government as recompense for basically saving their asses.

>>519008408

Hitler is near universally derided as a madman and an irrational actor but if you look more closely at least until 1944 he was actually a pretty effective commander. Not bad for a formerly homeless failed artist lowly corporal. Lifer fags get butthurt anytime they get mentally outplayed or someone gets more power and respect than they do. Looks like being a good order follower didn't pay off for you huh

stop fuck languages
1. colored
2. separated
3. blessed
4. courted

>>519004105
Permanent and world revolutions are 2 diff things. Trotsky wanted proxy-revolutions in Europe non-stop in 1920. Stalin wanted some time to strap up and only then to attack Europe

>>519011171

Give me my money Ivan

>>519008109
Keeps believing your own delusions, browny. This is major fucking by cope and absolute granny logic.

The lend-lease act made it impossible for the Germans to win because they couldn’t supply their army.

>>519002184 (OP)
They got closer to moscow than that, got to Baku and surrounded leningrad. Also 99% of the russian area is empty steppe and taiga.

Barbarossa AND case blue were very successful btw, just small parts were mismanaged at critical times.

>>519008599
Everyone knew it was possible to conquer the French.

>>519011029
What's to believe, it's well attested fact.
The opening movements of Barbarossa saw multiple encirclements cut off entire Soviet fronts, which promptly surrendered. This happened repeatedly throughout the first year of the invasion, in Poland, in Ukraine and in Belarus during the drive to Moscow.

Part of the issue was just how broken Soviet command was initially. Most of the encirclements were preventable, but nothing was done to prevent it until it was too late, over and over. Stalin issued several decrees attempting to curb the quantity of surrenders, including declaring PoWs as criminals, and the introduction of barrier troops.

The Soviets lost more troops in Barbarossa than the axis fielded in total across the entire war, but between their colossal human capital and the aid pouring in from the west they could afford to replace those losses while Germany starved by blockades could not.

>>519011282
France was considered the most powerful land army in the world at the start of ww2. They had more than twice as many tank as Germany did. They also had extensive fortifications.

>>519011023
You're wrong. Germany and Japan were allies. They planned to meet up after each empire defeated their rival regional power. Germany to the USSR and Japan to China. Then they would meet up combining Japanese resources with German production in India thus winning WW2.

The allies were always going to attack and defeat Germany first. Japan itself lost the battle of China and was defacto isolated. That's why they gambled on a naval victory at pearl harbor. So they could island hop and gain the recourses in IndoChina to fight the war. It's ironic Japan attacked America's navy yet America was to create the largest navy in the entire world. The reason America attacked Germany first was after Germany was defeated then all the allied forces could focus on Japan(including the USSR). Japan was the weak link in the axis powers just like Italy. The Germans were strongest power pound for pound in the entire world. The ENTIRE world. Because that's who the Aryans are. Hitler awoken the Zeitgeist which caused reaction from the jews. WW2 was always the Aryans vs Semites. Not America vs Japan.

>>519011023

wouldnt have mattered at all, germans didnt want war with US just mussolini wanted the war
germans needed japanese to delay the US long enough for them to win in russia, if they didn't stand with the japanese, japs would have surrendered way earlier

>>519011218
chrome
jungle nigger vs Island nigger
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grand arena vs local church

>>519011438

HAHAHAHAA!!!
>NO ONE WILL EVER COME THROUGH THE FOREST!!

>>519011620
This was actually a completely unprecedented maneuver which was a huge gamble.

AXIS powers had been Roman Catholic and French Roman Catholics wanted to join Hitler, after WW2 in 1947 the AXIS powers took over the EU and began a silent Medical war to weaken the Allied Protestant Powers from within, reducing Iodine, poisoning water with fluoride are just to systems of attack, AXIS powers also flooded the Allied Nations with what are called Illegal drugs but are chemical weapons of the Vatican.

>>519011620
Well the Germans tricked the French into defending the borders at Belgium. And since the Maginot line was secure they didn't believe tanks could travel through the forest. The tanks swung around the French forces capturing the channel ports. Giving the French and the very best of the British, no way out.

>>519009905
Lying retarded tranny

>>519005257
This is a lying tranny, none of this is true. The majority of tanks at moscow in ‘41 were british.

>>519011892
Cope harder faggot

>>519002643
he just needed to assasinate kike bankers in USA, to get them from jewish influence

>>519013146
Care to provide a source for this claim?

>>519013098
Nope
lendlease always shows who the nufags are

>>519002884
>Hitler was NOT expecting the west to stuff the USSR with aid
And that the US, which was mostly ethnic German, would send two World Wars' worth of American men to die killing their fellow whites and saving the jews who controlled England and Russia was entirely a result of the jews' capture of the US with the (((Federal Reserve))) Act.

Woodrow Wilson doomed whites more than any man in the past 200 years.

>>519009833
>the usa needed a political excuse to get in since the usa's population didnt want to get involved.
>this is why pearl harbor was allowed to happen
This is also why the jewish bankers kidnapped and murdered the baby of America's fiercely anti-war hero, Charles Lindbergh.

And to turn the sympathies of Americans against their German cousins those jewish bankers pinned the murder on...wait for it...a German! "The Germans are babykillers! They threw the babies out of the Kuwaiti incubators! Hold on, we're getting ahead of ourselves..."

The jews then telegraphed what they intended to do to their victim by 9/11'ing the Hindenburg.

>>519011148
Did you learn the USSR and UK were not obliged to pay you?
fucking American education strikes again

>>519015205
UK paid back it's last loans in 2020 i believe.

>>519015142
the jews have no decency and need to be destroyed.

>>519014761
>Woodrow Wilson doomed whites more than any man in the past 200 years.
very true.

>>519002184 (OP)
All the bluepilled NPC answers itt are simply that, goyim programming
If it were about defeating the USSR, Hitler would have taken Moscow like all his competent generals urged him to
If it were about capturing resources like the Baku oil fields, Hitler would have conquered the Caucasus like all his competent generals urged him to
If it were about muh Lebensraum - well that's just a joke only complete retards would believe such a thing
>>519011620
>>519012114
The whole 'blitzkrieg' in Western Europe was fake and gay

>>519015282
He was powerless at the behest of jews. He tried to do what was best for the American people fighting mass unemployment and thought the federal reserve act would bring stability to the US economy where banks and businesses were going under at alarming rates.

It was only until after feeling the effects of this monopoly on banking did he realize he sold the American people to a private central bank that controlled everything.

>>519008524

cope harder faggot

>>519002184 (OP)
Too bad there were no 6 gazillion kikes

>>519002488
Its a 2/1 KD ratio, germany lost like 4 million soldiers in that war, not that abysmal as parroted. It was only abysmal for the soviets on the first year

>>519015452
>It was only until after feeling the effects of this monopoly on banking did he realize he sold the American people to a private central bank that controlled everything.
he did write that, i remember reading the quote somewhere.

>>519002184 (OP)
Secret deal with UK and France to destroy the USSR. But the allies backstabbed Germany and the rest is history.

>>519015618
>It was only abysmal for the soviets on the first year
soviets lost over 11 million soldiers by the end, germans lost less than half that, while fighting two fronts
it was abysmal for the entirety of the war

>>519002725
are you have retarded

>>519015261
>the jews have no decency
Jews are psychopaths. They do not form bonds with others - other humans, other jews, nature, objective truth.

This is why jews are such liars (and what makes them salesmen). Having no connection to anything other than their own coveting means they have no empathy, no morals (which are derived from empathy), and no sense of good and bad, right or wrong (which are also empathetic-moral concepts).

The jew knows and cares about only whether they will be punished for what they do. This is why the highest approval to jews is "legal" - meaning no punishment. (This is also the reason for the jews' god giving them his Ten Commandments.)

This is also why jews will lie even to their own god (in their Kapparot ritual, where they lie to god to escape punishment by claiming a chicken committed the jews' crimes, then kill the chicken).

So jews have decency for the same reason slime mold has no decency. Decency is a concept completely beyond jews' capacity for perception or even understanding.

>>519002184 (OP)
mutts education

>>519002184 (OP)
Hitler had to attack, the Red army was massing at the border, less than 2 weeks away from invasion. That's why Stalin was in total disbelief and shutdown for the first 2 days of the invasion, the entire war machine was geared for attack, no defensive fortifications, no retreat plans. That's how Germans penetrated hundreds of kilometers in days.
There's a book about it by a retired KGB high-up. Soviet Union is the "good guy" in ww2 just because Hitler was days earlier in doing the betrayal.

It isn't just to be supportive of the Nazis.

But to sit and gaslight about Nazis when Communist subhumans were like 1000x a greater threat and more disgusting than anyone could have imagined is pure insanity.

But by historical "FACTS" ,the Nazis supposedly killed off 2-3 million children if we believe the mainstream narrative.
Yet i was digging around the other day on Communist atrocities, and it was estimated that 50+ million children no adult included were killed off by stupid Communist starvation policies alone.
And this isn't even including abortionist policy or the organ harvesting they probably did on the numerous ethnocides they purposely did in transitions of power.

China and Russia haven't had to atone for any sins regarding this matter, not even a fucking peep regarding it, infact they instead WORSHIP these genocidal monsters all because Nazis DARED to stop them from being massive fucking retards.

If you are a chink or russian you should be mad at your shitholecountries for mass exterminating not only your people but actual children.

Even if the Nazis did commit heinous acts, is it even comparable?

>>519016551
Yes and Stalin's spy's thought Germany would invade the British Isles so that's why Stalin didn't believe the attack was coming. Because there was an actual directive and war plan, "Operation sea lion". To invade Britain. That is when Stalin was to make his attack.

>>519002488
If it works it works. Hitler bit off more than he can chew.

>>519016725
>it was estimated that 50+ million children no adult included were killed off by stupid Communist starvation policies alone
Happy Passover! L'chaim!

>>519015861
6.3 million KIA actually. The other 5 mil were non-combat losses.

>>519015247
No, you are thinking of a separate agreement it made after the war to buy shit

>>519016551
Lol no, where did you get that the USSR was about to attack?

>>519002884
The entirety of Western aid was only 11 percent of the total Soviet war effort.
Western aid was a nothingburger. (Also it wasn't free, the Soviets paid for everything they received.)

>>519017166
>11%
No way it was that high
where are you getting your info from?

>>519011148
That's a lie. The entirety of lend-lease was paid back in full by 2002.

(It was a big deal akshually because it untied Russia's hands for the second round of the USA-Russia conflict, see Putin's Munich speech.)

>>519002184 (OP)
Hitler was a shitty general who broke a nonaggression pact so he could fight a war on two fronts. It's telling that even Stalin reacted extremely slowly to getting invaded because it was that stupid a move. Probably cost them WW2 as a whole.

>>519011403
Two big dirty truthpills:
A) Hitler banked on Russians switching over to Nazi Germany as a better alternative. And for the first couple years it was actually working.
B) People switched back to the USSR side once they saw Nazi Germany firsthand and realized it was the more zogged and Jewed option.
Hitler's vision for Europe was like an EU on bigger Jewish steroids.

>>519017215
That's if you include everything - clothes, food, civilian cars, etc.
It's the maximalist estimate.

>>519016284
its unreal how these jewish rats manage to survive.
its time to end this disease called jew

>>519002643
You talk about tyrants and then you bring up FDR. Heh...

>>519017397
P.S. Something like 90 percent of lend-lease was civilian stuff. Theoretically that allowed the Soviets to increase weapons production slightly by reallocating resources, but the actual effect was never measured.

>>519017397
Where are you getting that figure from?

>>519017488
>its unreal how these jewish rats manage to survive
Rats are mammals. A better evolutionary match might be cockroaches.

>>519002184 (OP)
>But why?

Germans developed coal dust thermobarics which were highly effective. Then they may have made dirty (uranium) versions for area denial, which prompted certain missives from Stalin that he would start using chemical weapons in response.

>>519002351
>picrel

Mannerheim talks of finding more than double the estimated tanks (initial was 9-12k) show how lucky they got and felt about it. Stalin was gambling on Operation Sea Lion further extending Germany before attempting the dash to Gibralter.

>>519003288
He/they referred to Austrian Painter as "The Icebreaker of the Revolution" and actively told German Communists to stand down, or otherwise facilitate the rise of NSDAP.

>>519011493
>>519011023
Japan not committing to maintaining a relevant threat in the East decided Stalingrad, with the reinforcements diverted therefrom. The trouble was a decade of Soviet Spies becoming FDR's cabinet, and compromising the rest of the government to the extent that they could - repeatedly - penetrate The Manhattan Project.

>>519015861
>soviets lost over 11 million soldiers by the end, germans lost less than half that,
Thats a 2/1 K/D ratio, not that bad and it was increasingly worse for germans as things progressed.

>9% oF tErRiTOry
fucking retarded

>>519015452
>>519015716
>he did write that, i remember reading the quote somewhere.
Woodrow Wilson never said that. It's a fake quote

>>519017082
There's a directive Stalin had but i can't remember it. A real plan was made to invade Europe(why wouldn't there be?)
>>519017733
>Japan not committing to maintaining a relevant threat in the East decided Stalingrad, with the reinforcements diverted therefrom.

Japan lost the battle of China they had to pull entirely out of mainland Asia. They always planned to pull out of Asia. This information however was never supposed to be known from the allies. But spies in Tokyo relayed this information to Stalin thus allowing him to redirect the forces to Moscow. It was Moscow not Stalingrad.

>>519002428
Stalin and kruschev both confirmed that without US support and British intelligence they would have lost and even with that they still almost lost

>>519003262
>>519004492
I've noticed this as a common theme with figures that fight Jews throughout history. Even the greats like Hitler will fail to grasp just how totally cucked and Zogged everyone is. There's retard shills in this thread saying Hitler went "too hard on the Jews," when he didn't go hard enough. Everyone should assume that all adversaries and anyone who isn't a committed antisemite as enemies. You can't negotiate and you can't do deals. Fuck man, even Iran doesn't get this. They have cuck reformists constantly trying to shake hands with Uncle Sam as American bunker busters rain down on their heads.
Jews are an existential threat to all of humanity. Just like Kyle Reese said in Terminator, "they can't be bargained with; they can't be reasoned with; and they will not stop until the goyim are dead." Fucking act accordingly and stop trying to make peace with ZOG.

>>519017838
Yes, Adolf certainly was.

>>519002184 (OP)
Hitler wanted to create the biggest sacrifice to Moloch yet made, by throwing German Army into a fight they couldn't possibly win. They massively underestimated Soviet industry and capability to shit out tanks and planes like no tomorrow. Plus Allied help in the Lend&Lease form plus invading North Africa, Italy and finally France to force Germoney to fight on multiple fronts, spreading their forces thin.

>>519005257
Cope bullshit. International Jewish finance capitalism indistrialized the glorious communist regime just to put down the latest gentile uprising. They abandoned their weapon after it wasn't needed and so they could focus on their new pet project: Israel. Thanks, Zionism!

who cares

>>519018288
Because the Germans didn't know about the gulag slave camps. They thought the USSR was defeated in the first months but all that was destroyed was cheap offensive forces while the factories and labor was always secured in the east. The soviet tactic was to attack or to defend. When Hitler thwarted their plans to invade Europe they turtled and then counter attacked. The soviets played WW2 like a chess match. They let Hitler take all their pawns but then took out Germany's Rooks, knights and king. While Germany was fighting WW2 as a holy spiritual war they were participating in game theory. Using people as pawns and economic units.

The red devils had no humanity.

>>519017166
If you hadn't gotten that material support, Germany would have won. I understand you have pride and ego invested in this, but without Lend-Lease, you'd lose. If you didn't need it, they wouldn't have sent it. And if I went back in time and tried to pull it away from you since it's "nothing," you'd fly into a Slavic rage and claw the tanks, bullets, and food back. They also didn't just give you a couple baskets of foods, they completely industrialized your nation and helped it skip several decades of development so that it could put down the Germanic uprising. The USSR was ZOG East and it was COMPLETELY dependent on ZOG West.
Now, 80 years later, you have NATO at your doorstep and a bloviating orange retard is pointing nukes at your face. So, good job fighting for future Israel, boys. The Jews will remember your contribution fondly as they work tirelessly to break up the Russian Federation.

>>519003081
trukelear annihilation
>>519003511
>>niggered someone else`s land because of butthurt
That's exactly what poland was doing before he invaded them, retard slavmonkey

>>519002888
Hey, it kind of looks like Gaza. I'm picking up on a theme...

>>519003022
#Resist

>>519003288
>patton said it best, the jewnited states fucked up, backed the wrong side.
Well once retards learn the JEW in "Jewnited States," it becomes clear that they backed the correct side from their perspective. But that would require people to stop coping and realize that their country is occupied and not free and sovereign, so...whatevs.

>>519011493
>The Germans were strongest power pound for pound in the entire world. The ENTIRE world. Because that's who the Aryans are.
Romanians made up the bulk of Axis forces during barbarossa lmao

>>519018875
Americans don't care at all. They are well fed and well entertained. America won the cold war. America won against China. America just won't die. Something changed in the USA for the last 4 years or so. All the talking points of populism are no longer relevant. All i see are people driving big fancy trucks and living in big expensive houses. And it's not me.

Again something changed and don't know what happened but nobody is poor here(except me).

>>519018960
No they didn't 4 million were Germans and 1 million were a hodge podge of axis forces. Romanians, Hungarians, Italians and even a division of Spanish volunteers. Your pipul is weak.

>>519009689
Post-war story invented by said generals to explain away their failure. The reality is that most of Hitlers orders and assumptions were right, opposed to those of his generals. Among them were, holding in the winter of 41 in front of Moscow and not retreat (which would resulted in the Germans being massacred), reinforcing the Romanians and Italians at Stalingrad with German divisions (which Franz halder simply didn't do), reinforcing Rommel in North Africa to breakthrough to Iraq (which Halder simply didn't do - you may see a pattern here).

>>519013146
You retards cannot even properly arm ukraine in 2025, takes fucking years what makes you think your lendlease already took effect in 19 fucking 41? Legit fucking retarded if you unironically think that.

>>519018281
>Jews are an existential threat to all of humanity
THIS THIS THIS

Jews will even openly say that and then laugh, because they believe non-jews are too stupid to stop them.

>>519019156
Wasn't Halder a traitor and member of the lucy spy ring?

>>519018096
No

>>519018158
No, Stalin did no such thing

>>519018158
Kill yourself you disingenous negro.

>>519002488
nigga, anglo forces surrenedered instantly in france, crete, hong kong, singapore, philipines, burma, thailand, malaysia, dutsch east indies. despite outnumbering the japs and germs. the k/d was like 100:1

>>519002184 (OP)

Nazi Germany was an economically unsustainable basketcase that relied on a continuous stream of plunder to keep itself afloat and coincidentally began to fall apart when the conquests stopped (their last major resource grab was Ukraine in 1941, but they fell short of the oil fields of Chechnya and Azerbaijan in Case Blue).

>>519002428

You stupid spics were literally fighting on Germany's side in Barbarossa to pay off Franco's debts to the Condor Legion

*see Blue Division

>>519019346
Germany was a new nation that was forming and it was their rightful place in the sun. Germany the nation was created in the 1870s i believe under Prussian leadership.

>>519019346
that's just an internal numbers thing, they could've crossed out a couple zeros here and there and it would've been fine. their economy was only ever growing

Frances defensive strategy is unbelievable to me. I dont get it at all. They were relying on germany attacking where france wanted them to attack? thats like toddler level strategy. it makes me go tinfoil mode and think this was some grand play and france was meant to bait an attack and take the fall. I cant stand when historians defend it.

>>519002351
>valuable land
*productive land, yes

but land is what is needed to grow a population. you take the productive land, and the rest falls in line. supposing, of course, that you can hold it.

>>519019156
Lies. There are plenty of accounts confirming Hitler and his top generals were very much at odds on his bizarre Directives
Hitlertards will stop at nothing to maintain their delusion, it's truly a migger- tier cult

>>519019502
have you ever met a french? the only one in the room smarter than them is God, as far as they're concerned. "what lunatic would run an armored column through a forest?" a syphillitic.

Never underestimate kraut overconfidence. They are masters at assuming everyone else is stupid except them.

>>519019502
They built a literal underground railroad with turrets and bunkers along their entire border. Almost. They ran out of money and they didn't place it against their friendly allies. In the gap between France and Belgium they sent in the French army and British expeditionary force. So basically their entire border with Germany was secured.

The only place they didn't protect was the Ardennes forest. They thought tanks couldn't pass it. The forest was the wall and barrier.

>>519006261
The whole thing with moscow was it was the central hub for their train network. It was a smart move to take it, but the oil was more important. There's a direct correlation with axis advances and availability of fuel.

Ultimately it doesn't matter because even if they captured the caucuses, it would have taken too long to get production capacity up to speed for what they needed. Iirc, Stalin was either actively sabotaging the fields or had plans to do so. Plus their industrial capabilities probably werent up to scratch for things like aviation fuel.

>>519019502
>makes me go tinfoil mode
It should. Might finally grasp some important facts on WW2 instead of the NPC programming itt

>>519002184 (OP)
Caucasus oil. If they kept it the Germans would have won. They ran out of gas before reaching it tho

>>519019648
Well if people are smart why do they allow themselves to be exploited by the jew? Remember the movie "Blues Brothers". Well?

>>519019680
Hitler issued a Halt order for Moscow and deliberately stalled the Caucasus advance

>>519002184 (OP)
There's a recording of Hitler speaking with Mannerheim about this. He says he had intel suggesting they were going to attack, and if they had occupied Romania and cut Germany off from the oil there, which they could easily do, Germany would have been powerless. It's actually amazing how many people come up with so many different theories, when Hitler states the reality on a recording you can find even on jewtube.

>>519008109

The Soviets had already moved most of their government functions to Samara by the time the Battle of Moscow began. Even if German troops had somehow taken the city (which was such a tall order that it practically borders on fantasy), it would have not have prevented Stalin from continuing the war. Granted, he would have been significantly more inclined to seek a separate peace and grant the Nazis massive territorial concessions, but he had other options too.

>>519019833
>He says he had intel suggesting they were going to attack
Timestamp for that fictional bit

>>519019805
I don't know if deliberately is the right word. His decisions delayed it because he had other priorities. As I said though, it was irrelevant. Even if they took the caucusus before the siege of Stalingrad, it might not have had enough of an effect to boost their war effort.

>>519002184 (OP)
Hitler and the Nazis thought they could knock the entire USSR out in functionally a single battle. Hence they were baiting in the months leading up to Barbarossa with numerous incursions and moving forces up to the border in invasion corridors. The plan was basically to have the entire Soviet army get baited to the border, only to get encircled and crushed Day 1.
Stalin saw through it though and didn't reinforce the border, knowing defense in depth and slowly grinding down the Nazis was their main hope.

>>519008599
>With an embarrassing performance like that Hitler assumed that the Soviets were so incompetent that their entire regime was would instantly collapse if hit hard enough by the by that point invincible German war machine (and it almost nearly did).
By letting the Germans massacre his people, Stalin outplayed both his enemies at home and abroad. Because of ideology, the Germans were pants on head retarded and eliminated would-be allies against the Russians, forcing them to work under Stalin, essentially uniting Russia for him. And the fact that it seemed the Russians were losing was what prompted liberal democracies to finance Russian development into a superpower, because they needed to contain the Germans. Had anything been different, the Soviet Union would have been destroyed

>>519019967
Only numbers matter. Just like today, the weight of Soviet population meant an inevitable victory over the smaller populations of the West. Once Ukraine falls Russia will take everything they want from Europe. America might stop them at the German border again but maybe not.

>>519019967
Let's be real if Germany captured Moscow the war ends for the USSR. Stalin was already considering peace with Hitler after losing so much territory at the start of the invasion. He hid away from his people for weeks and only came out after counterattacks were being planned so he knew he wouldn't be assassinated. Then he chilled and let his generals take more action because all the problems were happening before when he was in total command.

>>519002884

Lend-Lease only really began to arrive in appreciable quantities in 1942 so it did not save the USSR from immediate collapse as the German window to take Moscow had already passed by that point. What it DID do though was prevent the USSR from seeking a separate peace with Germany (which was still being secretly negotiated as late as Operation Citadel), which would have made the Western Front astronomically more difficult.

>>519020135
Russians don't need cities, they're naturally field dwellers like slum Indian stinkjeets. Cities are unnatural and alien to the russian, most of his cities were built by germans or Chinese.

>>519020131
They will take the Baltic states again. Ukraine. Eastern Polen. Putin wants to take Paris and Rome and even Berlin!

>>519020297
Indeed. How can 6 million Balts hold out against 160 million orcs? It's not possible.

>>519020224
They need bathtubs and shoes. Cities are full of those.

>>519002609

Based on true. All of these edgy faggots, who think that’s loves her. Somehow inferior have never taken a look at what German women look like. There are built like tanks and they have man faces. Slabs are the only real humans left on her phone.

>>519020020
>His decisions delayed it because he had other priorities
No, what happened is Army Group South captured Rostow-on-Don, the 'gateway to the Caucasus', and AS SOON AS news of this reaches Hitler, he decides to split the Army Group, and sent its best half hundreds of kilometers EAST for an assault on heavily fortified Stalingrad
It made no sense then, it makes nos ense now (except if you accoutn for the fat Hitler was a mind controlkeld puppet)
>I don't know if deliberately is the right word
You may be right here, as Hitler at the time was under copious amounts of drugs from his personal physician (((Dr Morell))) who ALONE had exclusive access to the Fuhrer all through the war, pic related

>>519020297
>Putin wants to take Paris and Rome and even Berlin!
Eww. Those are full of pakis and obese liberals, I hope he sprays some clorox on them before he touches them at least

>>519020348
When the russians sacked Riga in the 1940s the Russian women found lingerie and would wear it out to parties because they didn't understand it was sexy bedroom wear. They had never seen such fine garments.

>>519020462
>When the russians sacked Riga in the 1940s the Russian women found lingerie and would wear it out to parties because they didn't understand it was sexy bedroom wear. They had never seen such fine garments.

To be fair, Russian men love to rape each other so it's quite fitting

>>519020401
I just mean that to say he deliberately stalled the campaign is a difficult point to prove. He miscalculated. He clearly stopped reading about napoleon after spanking the french so badly he thought he must be irrelevant, then decided not only to invade russia, but to split his forces. It is only joke.

But i guess i mean, he thought they could start the siege, the caucus would be mopped up easily and regroup with the Stalingrad force. Its more a miscalculation than anything.

>>519020462
Few people seem to realize that just a lifetime before WW2, the vast majority of Russians were literally slaves living in medieval conditions

>>519020648
Blacks in America were freed decades before serfdom ended in Russia and it only ended because the jews whipped the serfs into a revolt and killed the Tsar.

>>519020648
>Few people seem to realize that just a lifetime before WW2, the vast majority of Russians were literally slaves living in medieval conditions

Now they're just slaves in post-industrial conditions (re. Neo-Medieval)

>>519020632
>Its more a miscalculation than anything.
That shit would fly, maybe, if it had just been Caucasus/Stalingrad, if Hitler had been sober rather than permanently drugged up, and if his decisions weren't desperately contested by every competent general
But the reality is Directive 45 was part of a pattern of egregious 'blunders' on the part of Hitler in the first three years of the war, a pattern which also included Dunkirk, Egypt, Moscow and the December 1941 Halt order, ensuring Germany lost the war by late 1942, and each and every one of these Directives were 1) met with horror and disbelief by his general staff and 2) issued while under the influence of copious amounts of all sorts of drugs, administered by a highly suspicious doctor who sabotaged the German war effort in many more insidious ways

>>519020462
>Russian women sacked riga
Are you retarded?
Also why are you acting lonely ke the baltics were somehow better than Russia, you were and are on the same level

>>519020885
Satan rules this realm i am convinced of it.

>>519020885
Look man I'm not a hitler stan, i dont have a dog in this race. I don't care. Literally all wanted to talk about was the caucuses being useless to capture anyway. Mjh meth hitler, cool story man.

>>519020835
Pretty sure serfdom was long gone by the time of Nicholas II

>>519002184 (OP)
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>>519002184 (OP)
Reminder that the "no tail" posts are made by VPN niggers of a troon squad from iDrama and Valent Projects cuckademics to normalize furfag degeneracy across the board.
You're welcome.
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>>519021201
Capturing the oil fields would deny that resource to the communists thus winning the war. As for splitting his army groups Hilter needed to secure his flank(Stalingrad) before advancing. After Stalingrad failed the Germans just bombed the soviet oil fields then left. Their objectives failed.

>>519021207
The Russian aristocracy was killed because of their centuries of abuse of the common serfs.

>>519021474
I meant in regards to the oil. That was what id said initially. I don't literally mean capturing the caucus would have had zero effect. Clearly it would have freed up troops, it would be retarded to say that.

>>519007539
Army group centre never had the manpower to take Moscow. I wouldn't call it a feint, they were probably betting on other sectors collapsing and being able to reinforce them later which never happened.
>>519006261
The whole south front thing might have worked if they could also invade through Finland and take Murmansk-Archanglisk or however the fuck that's spelled and the Japs actually held up with the deal and took Vladivostok while maintaining a blockade on Leningrad without affecting the momentum they had in the centre. >>519005543
>encircling Moscow and then just waiting it out
I can't see that working at all

>>519019156
Why did Finncucks of that era didn't attack Stalingrad from the North? The city wouldn't hold if they did SOMETHING except a "blockade" which still allowed Soviets to bring in materiel to the city through Lake Ladoga. Germany had completely unreliable allies who turned on them and joined the war against Germany the moment Allied armies crossed their borders (see Italy, Romania, etc)

>>519020334
I'm sure what to say. The Russians are slowly grinding and annexing more of Ukraine everyday. It's not like i can do anything about it.
>>519021633
The Germans were out of options. Moscow failed, Leningrad failed. They needed to try something in order to defeat the communists. That was Stalingrad and capturing the oil of the communists. Germany never captured any of the major population centers of Russia and held them for long. They technically captured Stalingrad and it took the best troops Germany had then they were even entrapped. Germany just couldn't defeat the USSR and the west was amassing forces. Germany needed nukes to win. Nuclear tipped V2s. If i recall they had the uranium but it came too late in the war. The SS had the material and the rockets. It came too late. A nuclear tipped V2 on an army group would've won Germany the war a year earlier. I guess that's why there was a race on Berlin to destroy Germany.

>>519020462
retard copebelter

>>519021983
Your sister in the German brothel says hi.

>>519021933
Because they didn't have the manpower. You must understand Russia outnumbers Europe substantially. Especially when you consider in those times and the "USSR" vs "Europe".

That's why the axis powers faltered. Japan had like 1/16th the population of China yet captured 70% of China anyway. They were eventually thrown back by partisans. You can't even kill them fast enough to consolidate your gains.

>>519021201
>Baku oil fields were uselesa to capture
Kek aussie education, I guess

>>519018497
Of course Stalin treated it more like a chess game. He remained in Moscow once Germans came the closest in order to show everyone his courage and prevent civilian chaos from erupting and causing trouble for the reinforcements riding through. They paraded through the city and rode straight into battle.
Stalin said "U nas luda mnoga", meaning "We have lots of people" when he was talking with Churchill and Teddybear about the immense losses in personnel, which he was able to quickly replace with MILLIONS of new ones. Germans were getting fucked by rapidly improving Russian tanks and constant human reinforcements, while they were spread thin and their allies weren't as useful as Soviet allies - Great Britain and their cuckold nations forced to serve in the war, USA, Free French and Polish Armies on both Western and Eastern sides who hated Germans with a special passion for all the murders they did to Polish people.
Japan would be a great ally if they attacked Soviet from behind while Germans fought on the West. But no, Japs started a war with United States instead and retarded Hitler has declared war on United States himself a few days later.

>>519022413
Because it was a world war. The axis lacked allies. The British Empire should've allied Germany. That would be a world i could accept and want to live in. For some reason Churchill refused peace with Germany. I think his mother was jewish and thus he would never go against his mother to side with Hitler. Who basically wanted all the jews dead.

>>519018281
Best comment on the whole thread

>>519018281
Real Mein Kampf. Hitler understood the jews even before WW1. Basically they aren't human. Everything they do is to harm humanity.

>>519022307
You're being intentionally obtuse. The oil you dumb nigger. I specifically told you why capturing the oil was irrelevant. It wouldn't have had enough of an effect in time. They would have had to restructure, ramp up and rebuild the oil fields. And do so with what steel? Literally all I'm trying to talk about is this cope that people have that they could have just captured baku and fed the war machine to take stalingrad, moscow and then won against the allies.

>>519022909
It's more about denying the oil to the soviets since their supply lines were stretched going on the offensive.

>>519022557
All Hitler's actions accomplished were:
1. Massive destruction across Europe
2. Making Germany into a divided cuck state between Americans and Soviets
3. Giving rich, American Jews a reason to kvetch for 80 years over Holocaust (even though more people of other nationalities died, but their deaths were special) and using it to build a powerbase exploiting sympathy of the white people.
4. Having half of Europe under Soviet dictatorship.

Bravo, Hitler! Truly, a talented... map painter!

>>519023110
That's what happens when you lose a world war. A world war is a war that defines humanity. WW2 was about control of oil. Oil that shaped the world we live in. Hitler was obsessed with oil. He learned how it was refined and made in gas.

>>519022964
Afaik they had reserves. It's a fair point and it could have had an impact, but im not sure if its a silver bullet. Given that they were already pressuring baku anyway by being in the caucuses.

>>519022909
>. It wouldn't have had enough of an effect in time.
Sure that's why AGS contained hundred of kms of pipelines and petroleum engineers. Fuck off ignorant cunt