Thread 519020155

Why is housing so expensive nowadays?

>>519020155 (OP)
I don't get it

>>519020155 (OP)
Housing isn't expensive. Our governments, out of sheer greed, just allowed people and businesses to use property as investment market. Anyone who has any money, buys up property because its the best return on investment you can get.

>>519020229
The bottom image is a structurally engineered timber frame kit, the top one is a skeleton made on site from 2x4s, a mexican and a nailgun. The author of the image is trying to imply they're the same.

Ok, I'll bite. A nice Fachwerk isnt just orthogonally arranged beams screwed together, but a clever construction that can handle forces from different directions. Also, mostly the room between the beams would be filled with stones. It's not the same as those cardboard houses. Entering a centuries old Fachwerkhaus is impressive.

>>519020439
No, the author is implying that euros display a bias

>>519020155 (OP)
Nice try russbot.

>>519020229
its not just you, OP is fucking retarded

>>519020155 (OP)
>>519020439

that is one failed meme

>>519020155 (OP)
>toothpicks (mandated by US code) vs structural timber (illegal in the US)

>>519020439
Would the bottom structure survive hurricanes?
(Genuinely asking, I know nothing about the topic)

>>519020496
Yes, he's implying that the German is being biased because it's totally the same image but the flaw is that the second image is actually a much more well constructed frame with proper timber, so the German 'jaks reaction is actually justified, so the creator of the image is retarded.

>>519020155 (OP)

Timber framing is unironically fuckin legit tho nigger

>>519020361
Exactly. This why opposition to real estate kikes is the issue to focus on. Hasan piker was onto something when he made violent threats to those people.

>>519020669

there are no houses that get blown away by wind in germony, that's for sure

>>519020728
only if the timber is properly treated
and that treatment makes it more expensive than steel and concrete

land is a measure of wealth.
flippers buy a house . possibly on loan.
and then they sell it to atleast recoup their interest on said loan. this causes the price to always go up esp if you sell to another flipper.
real estated developers do this.
i dont know how they asses land but apperent its a job you call someone out there and they appraise your land.
poor people arent allowed to own their homes .

>>519020155 (OP)
Corruption.

>>519020815
This. There's about 1,000 layers of bureaucracy to go through to build the shit.

>>519020155 (OP)
ok i will be the first to ask : why do you guys keep using krauts like they are some type of karen or something. Krauts are the nices people on this planet and so far ive not meet one to be like picrelated

>>519020496
Yes, that was implied based on the assumption that both images are equivalent construction methods.

>>519020496
>>519020670
There's a massive structural difference, but the real difference is made after the pictures were taken: The German house's drywall is filled with certified organic material, and cladded with wood that is flamed or waxed for protection. The American one is filled with chynesium & cancer.

>>519020950
It's because the website is full of kikes.

>be me
>hand hewn log cabin
>built in 1847 by actual craftsman who knew what he was doing
>every log hand selected, mortise and tenon joints, chinking done perfect
>walls are 12 inches thick solid oak
>survived civil war, two world wars, countless storms
>still standing strong, barely a crack
>mfw some guy inherits me from his grandpa
>wants to renovate and live in me
>feelsgoodman.jpg
>inspector shows up
>some 24 year old with a clipboard and a community college degree
>"sorry anon, this doesn't meet code"
>what
>"no electrical in the walls, no modern insulation, windows aren't double pane"
>"also you need permits to modify a structure"
>but I've been here for 176 years
>"doesn't matter, code is code"
>owner tries to explain I'm built better than anything today
>solid wood throughout, no particle board, no drywall, actual craftsmanship
>could survive a tornado
>inspector doesn't care
>"if it's not in the code book it's not legal"
>mfw the code book was written by people who've never built anything
>owner can't afford to "bring me up to code"
>would cost more than building new
>demolition crew shows up
>they have trouble tearing me down because I'm built so solid
>have to bring in special equipment
>meanwhile across the street there's a new McMansion
>built with 2x4s, particle board, and hopes and dreams
>will probably fall apart in 30 years
>but it "meets code"
>tfw you're 176 years old and stronger than ever
>tfw destroyed by bureaucracy
>tfw replaced by vinyl siding

>>519021108
No yid visits this website, they use American taxes for automated spam though.

>>519021148
Why are you making it a point to deny something so obvious?

>>519020669
I doubt any construction method is going to be invulnerable to the most severe tropical hurricanes but timber frame kit is the dominant construction method here (Scotland) for new houses and consists of an engineered pre-built frame that is assembled by crane on site, with a outer skin of concrete block and waterproof render built around it. It would be an order of magnitude more resilient than a typical suburban US house made from 2x4 with plywood cladding and stucko.

>>519020155 (OP)
such mystery...
Guess we'll never know.

>>519021220
>It would be an order of magnitude more resilient than a typical suburban US house made from 2x4 with plywood cladding and stucko.
Actually depends on how it's constructed. 2x4 homes can be incredibly strong as long as the home is secured to the foundation via metal straping/ties and the framing members are secured to each other.
The real home killer is debris not really the home falling over/getting picked up
>t. worked in construction building homes that have survived hurricanes and tornados. in 2x4, timber framed, and hewn log cabins.

>>519021551
forgot pic

The thing most people won't admit to is that if you use coastal building codes (post-Hurricane Andrew reforms) using "just" 2x4s and plywood have survived Cat 4-5 hurricanes while older concrete block homes next door were destroyed. The difference was the engineering and code compliance, not the materials.

The true chad home is Insulated Concrete Forms (ICF)

>>519020155 (OP)
all i ever wanted was a house, the dream is dead (type 0 negative)

germcucks are the biggest faggots on the planet

>>519021886
miet frei in deinem schädel

>>519020788
Americans are so fat even their storms are bigger than ours. They can't be compared

>>519020155 (OP)
This meme is outdated. Timber framing is done more and more often in Germany. Not because it's cheaper, not because it's better, but because of muh sustainability. You know, wood =green=sustainable or something.

It has become a scam that feeds many mouths.

Lumber industry, contractors, electricians, floor layers, carpenters, landscapers, plumbers, roofers, realtors, masons, drywall installers, hardware retailers... etc... huge fucking list.

Because there's so many people and involved, they're able to pass laws to protect their scam; to keep you from building your own house out of whatever the fuck you want.

And it gets worse: they almost always build the houses as cheap and fast as possible and starts falling apart right away. In fact it's designed to fall apart because the same people make money off of home repair.

>>519020669
Most like yes, but with some damage.
That matchstick bullshit would just evaporate, the frame one depending on how good roofing was done could actually just suffer damage there on roof.

>>519020229
Because it's too expensive?

>>519020800
Im not sure that average american termite is familiar with actual timber

>>519020557
Magnificent

>>519020361
>Housing is a good investment
Why
>Because uhhh because capitalism
Is it because of immigration?
>NEIN NEIN NEIN IMMIGRATION GOOD ME LOVE KEBAB AND RAP MUSIC

>>519021140
Genuinely sad as fuck and bureucrats will be first to line up against the wall.

>>519020669
>Would the bottom structure survive hurricanes?
Depends on the specifics, but most likely no problem.

>>519020557
looks nice, do you have more?

I need more good examples of sturdy houses for my home design folder

thanks in advance, Hans

>>519022850
>>NEIN NEIN NEIN IMMIGRATION GOOD ME LOVE KEBAB AND RAP MUSIC
t. only visited Berlin for a few days, thinks he now knows Germany like the inside of his vest pockets

Happens often with low IQ foreigners, I wonder why that is.

>>519021597
this looks very cozy btw

>>519022988
Shut up goy. Ahmed and Tyrone are raping your sisters and you do nothing

>>519020155 (OP)
Okay so let's say like in the school books you want to buy something, and a craftsman wants to sell something. He tells you the price and you buy it. He wants $50k for a completed house. Easy right? Now imagine 100,000 kikes enter your country because Hitler lost the war. The kikes all get in line in front of the craftsman and every last one of them demands a fee to move. Vile Schlomo introduces himself and says they have signed paperwork that that reads "all goyim must pay $1 to pass. It's the law." It's only a dollar so you pay. You now have to pay every last kike before you can get to the craftsman. You play by the rules and pay the kikes one at a time. By the time you pay all the original kikes they've had children and their children are standing in line. You pay them too and finally reach the craftsman who informs you the house is sold to schlomo and associates for $100,000. You scream in frustration and are promptly arrested for antisemitic remarks.

That's why houses cost so much.

>>519021064
>why don't you use organic material like we do in germany

>>519020155 (OP)
Nobody uses bricks ffs

>>519021140
Fun story but an exaggeration, code would apply to additions to the structure or major renovations inside. If you just wanted to live in it you could do so. If you made minor changes inside you wouldn't need permits. Code has its flaws but this isn't it

>>519023816
Your abomination of a country is like 50 countries in one. I'll bet one of your shitholes has retarded laws that say otherwise.

>>519020155 (OP)
it's entirely government caused
regulations, state backed unions, taxes
everything

>>519021140
Damn shame. My home was built it 1886. Probably will last another 150 years

>>519023816
>He doesn't know

>In 2013 A hand hewn cabin was destroyed in that exact way of the greentext

>In 2019, a pre-Civil War, hand-hewn log cabin was discovered under the siding of a house on Detroit's east side.
>When the cabin was found, preservationists worked to have it moved to a historical park in Hamtramck.
>However, the Detroit Land Bank Authority, which owned the property, demolished the structure before it could be salvaged.

>In 2025 Texas, An insurer notified a couple that it would drop their coverage unless they covered their hand-hewn cabin with siding
>A move that would have destroyed the structure's aesthetic and historical appeal. The couple could not afford the change and lost their insurance.
>The cabin was later destroyed by an (((electrical fire))). Because they were uninsured due to code-related requirements, the owners had no coverage for the total loss.

>inb4 this doesn't happen often
it shouldn't happen at all

>>519022995
lots of the homes I helped build had a very cozy look and feel.
probably because the entire team was White and had actual passion for building quality homes.

>>519022888
agreed

>>519020155 (OP)
Nigga 180m^2 house in Chicago costs as much as a 90m^2 shitty row house in my City (Warszawa) yall have it good niggers

>>519024092
Poland was dirt cheap 20 years ago. This is what jewish investment brings you.

>>519020557
I hate the faux carriage style door. You're not stabling horses no matter how much you try to present it that way. Just stop.

>>519020229
>I don't get it
Me neither.

>>519024159
>Poland was dirt cheap 20 years ago. This is what jewish investment brings you
as if USA isn't a ZOG controlled country

>>519024159
Most kikes in pissrael are from Poland.

>>519020155 (OP)
Das beste ist doch beides zu nutzen, Holz und Steine.

>>519020155 (OP)
because it is considered an 'investment" in modern days instead of A FUCKNG PLACE FOR A FUCKING FAMILY TO LIVE!!!!! Once you let kikes into an industry they kike it all up. When you go to buy a car or a home the realtor or dealership IS NOT selling you a car or a home, they are selling you a fucking loan.

>>519020155 (OP)
just another euro thread coping that they use the same exact building materials as us currently.

>>519024333
I mean what country isn't?
You either live in a jew controlled hellhole with the perception of freedom on large spaced land near Whites
OR
You live in some jew controlled hellhole filled with browns

>>519024023
Right on, brother.

Do you happen to have any other pictures?
I, too, share a similar passion for engineering & design.

>>519020728
The problem is that balloon framing was SPECIFICALLY DEVELOPED as a house framing method for quick and affordable method of construction. What's the fucking point if my parents down-graded from a lake house with a 2-1/2 story bungalow main room to a fucking ranch in the suburbs for a $60k gain? What kind of Jewish fuckery lets the market shut out most people like this? Even rent is comparable to most mortgages at this point.

>>519020155 (OP) .

SPD-The gay Grand Coalition-Greens-Die Linke-Die Partei-BSW-FDP gay tandem.

>>519020155 (OP)
>Why is housing so expensive n
Because bankers provide credit to buy them.

>>519024432
>Even rent is comparable to most mortgages at this point.
You can't even rent a mobile home in a trailer park for less than 1500-2000 a month in town near me. That's single wide too.

>>519024409
i'll post some

>>519024408
TSMT

>>519020155 (OP)
>women enter the workforce doubling wages
>houses are not brought by families but single people halving the supply
this is why houses cost 4x what they did before.

>>519024409
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>>519024409
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>>519023195
Most properties in the US are owned by banks and corporations. I would not be surprised the same thing is going on in the EU, but with even less transparency.

>>519021140
thats a long story, retard. the jist is they sell you mexican mcdonalds mc mansions that fall apart before theyre even finished building.

THIS GENERATES MONEY. when you buy one house and it stands for 200 years they wont get ANY MONEY for 200 YEARS. this is very anti semitic you little golem!

>>519024409

>>519024770
>this is very anti semitic you little golem!
Fuck I should go back to building picrel then.
I had no idea it was so incredibly based.

>>519024409
>>519024607
This one had a slide btw.

>>519024642
thats atleast 5 million in your shithole. every other person will get the mcdonalds mexican construction.

>>519024849
>5 Million
Nah, a bunch of the homes were less than a mill. Some even under 300k like picrel.
Of course we built multimillion dollar homes though.

>>519024905
NOT EVEN CLOSE to >>519024642

>>519024409
Alright I'm off to bed.

>>519024997
That's only a 2k+ ft place. It's the Vermont Natatorium. Only cost like 800k iirc

guys, expat here, I just bought a nice house in the United states, do you think 10 Mil was a deal ?

>>519020155 (OP)
Laws prohibit construction Here, depending on the region, you may be limited to 10-20% construction on your land. If you buy a 100m2 plot, you can only build on 10m2.

>>519022850
stop simping for capitalists, they wouldnt piss on you if you were on fire pleb

>>519025090
You live in an 800 square foot apartment though

You share walls with immigrant families lol

How's that economy doing btw? Still backsliding decades at a time? You are our vassal :)

>>519020669
Lmao no. The houses that survive are:
>on stilts to keep out of storm surge
>block and concrete construction
>heavily secured metal roof
>storm shutters on all windows
>steel doors
And even with all that it's a 50/50.

>t. Floridian of the Conch Republic that stayed through Irma.

>>519021140
There is always a loophole to these things, have the building classified as an historic building and now the bureaucrat jew can't do anything about it anymore.

>>519020439
>this nigger thinks house plans in the US aren't engineered
Are brits really this fucking stupid?

>>519024770
While I mostly agree with you sentiment, banks and the tax man still profit off durable houses, but indeed less so.

>Die
>House goes to kids
>Death tax has to be payed over the (((current market value)))
Or
>old houses are part of the same housing "AIR QUOTES" market "AIR QUOTES"
>just as insanely priced
>no escape from paying rent to the bank

Truth is, there is good money to be made from rot, decay, strife, destruction, and replacing old thing with new thing.
You can't make as much money when people collectively decide what they have is good enough.

>>519020155 (OP)
>Top: stick frame shit made out of low quality sawdust pine
vs
>Bottom: traditional timber frame. Uses less wood, wood is much higher quality, and it's stronger & more aesthetic.
There is a reason to hate the top. It's cheap shit for cheap bastards.

>>519023816
>If you just wanted to live in it you could do so.
they'd simply condemn it

>>519020155 (OP)
i dont get the meme

>>519020490
>ok I’ll bite
Bite the curb reddit faggot

>>519024409
There’s this thing called google you utter faggot

>>519020800
No timber for timberframes in germany are treated with anything besides maybe linseed oil and they last hundred of years

>>519029799
japanese timber in OP is also untreated; isn't even sanded

>>519020229
>Wood framed house USA
:/
>Wood framed house, Japan
(ﾟ∀ﾟﾉ)ﾉｷｬｰ

>>519020669
The top survives hurricanes. Now tornadoes...

>>519022850
it is OK if you live in it. Owning a home has been great for me and my family. Definitely less money than renting. But more risk, too. Lot of factors out of tour control affect the value of it. So I wouldn't "invest" in second property unless it was in well known vacation spot.

>>519020155 (OP)
First one sticks attached with straps.
Second one beams atrached by their grooves.
Hope that helps

>>519021886
It's not only Germany. All of Europe is cucked like this. You should see the state of shitaly. We live in bureaucracy land where the state decides every single aspect of your life. But the funny thing is that the US is heading in the same direction, or even worse actually, and you don't even realize it

>>519020155 (OP)
fucking d&c kikes. gradually i came to hate them..
love the japanese construction btw. who wouldn't. it's clearly superior to example and will have a much longer life. which is the point, different conditions. and jews of course. every why question on /pol...

>>519020557
nice idea. but the principle is outdated, and it looks mcmansion weird. the entrance door and the partial glass fillings kinda ruin it. also the roof. there was good reason for roofs tiled with differently coloured matte tiles in the past. check out originals from the time. half their cosy impression goes back on the randomly natural appearance of the roof. high gloss monolith is the worst.

>>519020229
Bottom picture is the same thing but in Japan.

>>519030967
not really, and instead of falling for this silly bait every single time, we should acknowledge the creativity of the various solutions to local conditions / obstacles, whether the results can still be called housing and at what point tkd becomes inevitable.

>>519020155 (OP)
Top is cheap consoomer slop
Bottom is real material
Americunts will defend top, as usual
Hope you choke on slop

>>519025876
When did I say they're not engineered?