Thread 519020817

WW2 germany with 10 ports killed more everyone else did with hundreeds of ports.

>>519020817 (OP)
yes

i never quite understood the far reaching implications, how during various wars in human history, that more than one "loser" during a some historical war, managed to outdo the "wnner" during said conflict, but still loses

probably bullshit inflated numbers so the victor can be like
>LOOK!
>despite the odds
>we STILL WON ANYWAY!

i call bullshit

>>519020817 (OP)
Germany didn't have many tons of shipping to sink. All of japan was sunk.

>>519020817 (OP)
actually so stupid since all the world shipping was British

we were moving 50 million tonnes a year in the areas Japan took over, they could only move 5 million once they had it. and no one was making more stuff for them because they just stole everyones shit and didn't pay them so it went to rot.

>>519020817 (OP)
They’re the niggers of Europe

>>519020968
>They’re the niggers of Europe
who?

jews?

it's jews, isn't it

>>519020968
Stop appropriating polish achievements

>>519020817 (OP)
Because the Germans transported fuck all by ship you complete fucking moron.
On the other hand if you want to include military ships and not just merchant the Germans lost their entire surface fleet, and 90% of their U-boats before the end of the war.

>>519020817 (OP)
Yes germnigs are the only one who’s love war crimes and they are born barbarian raiders

More news at 11

>>519021616
>On the other hand if you want to include military ships and not just merchant the Germans lost their entire surface fleet, and 90% of their U-boats before the end of the war.
Their surface navy too no?

Kinda crazy how many subs they lost actually, we’re they lost mostly on the low depth european shelf or did the brits manage to sink subs in the open ocean too?

>>519021240
that is true. i was thinking more the soviets just killing all the civilians.

the germans were notorious for killing people and destroying everything in sight. they also weren't the only people to do this, as the soviets were also known for it

Once upon a time, this was common knowledge on /pol/. Back when it wasn't a communist agitation and demoralisation board.

Yes, if we go by casualities, Germany won WW2. Easily. We also won WW1. But war isn't just about who can throw more victims into the grinder, even though brainlets on here often claim this. It's also about strategical goals (ie the overall, general and long-reaching things, as opposed to tactical, which is more short-term and specific), how to meet them and how to make the other guy give up and admit defeat.

Funnily enough, even if we go by strategical goals, Germany didn't do too bad. WW1+2 did indeed stop communism from engulfing Europe. We neutralized a lot of non-Christian influence and hammered out a few decades of peace and stability for everyone. That's not "nothing".

>>519023275
>the germans were notorious for killing people and destroying everything in sight
No, that is not how Germans work. Maybe you're confusing "people" and "everything in sight" with Partisan action.

>>519023571
levels of cope not thought possible

>>519023754
Cope? Give me a break. German U-boat crews deserve statues and memorials. They were the heroes of Germany, fighting against impossible odds and singlehandedly slowing the war effort in inhumane, impossible conditions at great cost to themselves. You should be singing their praises, not gloating on their sacrifices 80 years later like a fucking nigger.

>>519020817 (OP)
>the side who was landlocked sunk more shipping than the side who needed to ship all their stuff
no, really?

>>519022479
A lot of them were lost deep out at sea once the escort carriers came online in number. Basically the smallest shittiest carriers you could possibly build, flying mostly aircraft that were no longer useful in the Pacific, but subs at that time couldn’t cruise underwater very quickly or stay down as long as modern ones, so they’d do a lot of cruising on the surface. If a ship reported a U-boat sighting they’d dispatch aircraft, or if a flight patrol stumbled on them they’d go attack, and generally once that happened it was over. Even if the plane didn’t get them they’d vector destroyers over who would hunt until it died or managed to get away. The former eventually happened much more than the latter. Long range patrol aircraft like the Catalina also played a large role throughout the war. Early on they were the only planes with range to go out and spot them, but they remained valuable after the carriers arrived since they could carry a large number of depth charges.

>>519022387
By this same token, British blockade over Continental Europe was a war crime.
>hurr just let Germany import infinite oil for the war machine, since oil ships are civilian vessels!
U-boats and sinking Lend-Lease is therefore fair game.
And so was the Cuba blockade during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

>>519023889
They never really managed their objectives or to majorly damage the war effort. IIRC there was about period of about a month, maybe two, where they were at their most successful and managed to hit their target tonnage that they thought would be unsustainable for the Allies to replace. However that didn’t last, ASW tactics and equipment advanced much more quickly than the U-boats could counter, and they never managed to truly threaten the broader war effort. The only truly successful submarine campaign of the war was the American one vs Japan, but that was largely due to the Japanese having chronically underinvested in ASW equipment, while also having bad anti submarine tactics and effectively no capacity to replace their shipping losses.

>>519024122
That fault lies primarily with German intelligence failing to recognize that the Polish (and subsequently the british at Scotland Yard) had been breaking the Enigma codes since the beginning of the war. Plus, it's also Hermann Goering's fault for having a rivalry with Donitz's U boat command and failing to properly coordinate the luftwaffe and the U boat fleet.

In any case the reason the U boats didn't turn the tide of the war is not because they failed or were ineffective, but rather because their commanders failed to utilize them while blatantly ignoring major threats that resulted in the loss of thousands of excellent sailors. Particularly so with the stupid obsession re: battleships versus U boats.

In fact, the entire war in the west can be blamed on Goering's stupidity.

>>519024225
German intelligence incompetence/sometimes sabotage and crippling inter service rivalry definitely played a major role, as did over investing in the doomed surface fleet instead of giving Donitz the number of boats he wanted to open the war with. But I just don’t think they had a good way to overcome the amount of air cover the escort carriers could provide. By the time they started showing up destroyer based ASW had advanced enough that the jeep carriers weren’t really feasible to knock out. Surface search radar was also rapidly proliferating, so by the mid war the U-boats had effectively lost their ability to safely cruise on the surface between hunts, could be spotted from the air when in shallow dives, and often lost the ability to effectively disengage when things went poorly as they would be shadowed by fighters or long range patrol aircraft who would proceed to vector destroyers in if needed for the coup de grace. Goering’s management certainly never helped anyone on his own side, but I think the war under the waves was really a doomed endeavor from the start. Between the pre war fleets the two greatest maritime powers had, the rapid buildup they were engaged in, and the maddening amount of technological progress in just the first few years of the war the deck was just too stacked against the submariners.

>>519024605
You're right, I just remembered that the Soviets were already in East Prussia by the time the bombing started. I guess that's why the Nazis were so willing to bomb so many cities, they knew the Russians would come in anyway

>>519024605
I wonder at the possibility of the Germans exploring guided munitions for anti-ship warfare, like if the Fritz X or the Henschel 293 were fast tracked 10 years in advance, or if they were able to come up with some kind of guided radar ASW missile launchable from a submarine. Unfortunately it was all for naught.

Rest assured if I were teleported back in time I'd be neck deep in the facilities at Erprobungsstelle Rechlin in 1933.

>>519021385
>that pic
Talk about "thems fightin' words" if I were a Pole. That is just mean man.

>>519020908
The numbers are skewed by the strategic position of Germany. There wasn't much tonnage to sink by the royal navy because the royal navy was enforcing a blocus that prevented ships from leaving port in the first place.
Meanwhile, Uboats maybe sank 15m tons. There was still more supply being shipped and reaching it's target.

>>519020908
Because you don't win by being more efficient, you win by winning. Germany simply could have NEVER won against the USSR, France, most of Europe, UK, Canada, USA. USA basically just coasted throughout the entire thing. They never had to enter desperation territory...

That’s only because everyone was shipping stuff to Britain. Germany wasn’t an island and it still isn’t, so it didn’t have all its war materials being moved on the sea.

They took their losses by air.

>>519023571
Not getting stabbed in by the back by (((socialists))) would be a help.

Our U-boats were decades ahead in technology of everyone else but it was clearly not enough when our enemy build more ships/merchant ships than we could sink.
The same happened on land too.

Now do per capita.

>native english speakers itt still shitting on germany and congratulating themselves on winning the war for the jews
holy shit lmao fucking pathetic boomers

>>519025250
Also I'd like to point out that this is a game that takes place in the future. This is not a realistic depiction of the world.

And also, I would like to know why you're trying to argue with me about how the US is gonna lose in the war.

>>519025387
Judenkapitalismus goes brrrrrr

>>519023694
Germans destroyed cities that didn't have partisans, killed countless civilians.

Germans are Muslims of Europe.

>>519020817 (OP)
your fallacy is: base rate neglect

>>519025387
>Our U-boats were decades ahead in technology of everyone else
the main german U-boat, the type VII was a reheated WW1 design, very cramped and uncomfortable for the crew. The type-XXI was much more advanced and influenced post war designs but wasn't ready in time to make a difference. American WW2 subs were larger, had more tubes, more torpedoes, longer range and were much more comfy.

>>519023571
America won WW2. The USA had an army of 11 million soldiers at the end of it. The USA had the largest navy in the world with 50 carriers. Yes 50.

The soviets had a pathetic 5 million man army. The Germans at the height of power had around 10 to 12 million members of the national socialist government. This was the largest government in the world. However their army never reached above 5 million. National socialism was more popular in its peak than the government of China today with a population of around 1.4 billion.

>>519023571
If you think about the plans Jews had for Germany and how the war forced both the East and West to kiss West and East Germany’s ass respectively, ww2 did save the German nation. But lately that’s being reversed

>>519023571
jews won the war.

>>519020908
That fact makes the eventual loser cocky and they make a mistake

>>519020817 (OP)
Because the allies had FAR more cargo moved by sea. The U-boats enjoyed the most target rich environment in human history.

>>519023571
How many Americans died in America vs how many Germans died in Germany?

>>519027977
Both sides needed the Germans in the cold war. That's what saved the german people. Hitler already knew this before he died kek. He told the German people to prepare for the new age. That's why many of Hitler's staff join NATO.

>>519020817 (OP)
history fag here.

uboats were hard to detect at the start of the war, and racked up an insane number of kills on civilian shipping.

the surface ships of the kriegsmarine were a meme and it got sunk pretty damn fast, and what was left were the uboats - which also started getting massacred as soon as the british figured out the sonar and radar.

-30 Km from Moscow in 1941.

They came so close, bros.

>>519025127
>USA basically just coasted throughout the entire thing. They never had to enter desperation territory...

That's what happens when the homeland is a whole ocean away from the war effort. The war reaching the US coast was an impossibility.

>>519029018
the 3rd reich signed its death warrant the moment they gobbled up czechoslovakia, everything after that was just germans not getting the memo.

>>519029388
Slovakia was not gobbled up. Czechia was quasi-annexed as a protectorate following the collapse of Czecho-Slovakia with the Slovaks declaring independence and Germany recognizing it immediately.
Poland too had gobbled up some Czech land by the way via force instead of agreement (Munich), and the Czechs were then asking for a guarantor (small states require the approval of some great power to exist, else they just get taken over). Hacha asked Hitler to guarantee Czechia, Hitler declined and instead made them a protectorate.

>>519029568
nope.
hitler (the jewish usefull idiot) killed the 3rd reich when he removed czechoslovakia from the map.
everything this useful jewish idiot did after that, was just making sure that millions of germans will die for nothing.

>>519020817 (OP)
>Rudel flew 2,530 combat missions on the Eastern Front of World War II. The majority of these were undertaken while flying the Junkers Ju 87, although 430 were flown in ground-attack variants of the Focke-Wulf Fw 190. He was credited with the destruction of 519 tanks, severely damaging the battleship Marat, as well as sinking a cruiser (incomplete and heavily damaged Petropavlovsk), a destroyer (the Leningrad-class destroyer Minsk) and 70 landing craft. Rudel also claimed to have destroyed more than 800 vehicles of all types, over 150 artillery, anti-tank or anti-aircraft positions, 4 armored trains, as well as numerous bridges and supply lines. Rudel was also credited with 9 aerial victories, 7 of which were fighter aircraft and 2 Ilyushin Il-2s. He was shot down or forced to land 30 times due to anti-aircraft artillery, was wounded five times and rescued six stranded aircrew from enemy-held territory.

This guy was the single most effective warrior in history

Jews won. again.

undefeated.

>>519029568
>the war or czech aggression

>>519029740
uh huh yeah whatever. My mistake for trying to have a conversation with a Pole lmao

>>519029568
>>519029783
>>519029823
check this shit out.
the amount of victimised nonsense adolf peddled before he started WW2 was fucking hilarious.
>we victimised victims are being victimised by the evil czech empire, the victimised german victims need to be saved from the evil bad czechoslovaks, remember the victimised victims!

>>519029958
Yeah his propagandizing of events does not contradict what was said. Slovakia was not gobbled up. They declared independence from the Czecho-Slovak state and then Hitler used this moment to more or less forcefully make Czechia a protectorate.

>>519030081
>Yeah his propagandizing of events does not contradict what was said.
it does.
>Slovakia was not gobbled up.
it was.
>czechoslovakia had internal problems, and adolf the jew using military force gobbled them both up

>>519030228
God Poles are so retarded. Look at the geographical area of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia. Does that include Slovakia?

>>519030307
you said:
>germans forcefully made czechia a protectorate
like a bunch of niggers, after spending fuck knows how much money of anti-czech propaganda here:
>>519029958
>>519029958
the dumbass krauts acting like agressive niggers while crying victim reminds of a special group of people.
>the kraut cries as he strikes you

>>519023571
Communism only exists cause it took of in Russia due to Germany starting a war and releasing commies into their country to cement unrest, they even paid Lenin.
In fact, Germany is the birth place if Marx, muh we stopped commies is such a funny thing to say with all those facts mentioned.

>>519030455
Yeah I did say that. And? It was semi-forceful for sure.

>>519030554
keep in mind that you're replying to this >>>/int/215896397

>>519020817 (OP)

submarine division of US navy (5%) destroyed 50% of japanese merchant vessels

>>519030554
cool glad we agree.

>>519020817 (OP)
Someone doesn't understand per capita.

How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

>>519030651
>i-its actually this gu-
The pole here is right faggot, imagine going in to protect the German minority and...gobbling up everything else as well!
Just like he went into Gdansk and...gobbled up everything else as well!
It's almost like just taking German land wasn't the goal.
At least with regards to Poland you could say he had no choice with USSR stepping in from the east but there was no justification for taking anything more than the sudeten border region from Czechoslovakia.

>>519031004
Sure. However to play devil's advocate, recall that Czechia had been a part of "Germany" for a nearly thousand years in the HRE. To Hitler it was in a way returning to the status quo, specially since it was a protectorate and retained some internal autonomy.
Hitler's ambitions were not purely innocent. He definitely did want to expand Germany's border eastward. In my opinion he was willing to negotiate with the Poles as he did, over Danzig, and then form an anti-USSR alliance in which Eastern Europe would necessarily enter into Germany's sphere of influence, as the most powerful and industrial nation in Europe. However, if the Poles were not willing to play along, he was more than happy to use that as an excuse for conquest. In this case of Western Poland.
And the USSR is interesting. Geopolitical realities forced him into invading the USSR when he did, and it was the right decision. However, he also definitely did want to attack the USSR anyway, to destroy "Judeo-Bolshevism", and to "secure" the valuable Eastern territories, in particular the Ukraine. He also spoke about colonizing Crimea (at the time it was Tatar and was being ethnically cleansed by the Soviet state), and in Table Talks also mused about settler towns in European Russia (incl. Ukraine, Belarus).