Thread 519023575

how would you plan it?

>>519023575 (OP)
Nuke gaza once you have a east wind and the hostages. Push it all into the sea after.

>>519023576
And then repeat for the rest of Israel. Might as well go for the entire ME while you're at it.

>>519023576
Israel has all the living hostages as of a few hours ago. Only remains of deceased are still in Hamas' hands.

>>519023576
>east wind
holy shit, it all makes sense now

>>519023579
Look pal, I cant do left right without doing the hand L thing. All I know is fuck em, tired of these threads and just wish theyd hurry up and kill each other for realsies. One side is woefully incompetent but has the spirit, the other has the tools to do it but doesnt wanna.

>>519023576
>>519023575 (OP)
>>519023578
>>519023577
>all hostages released
>israel still in control of 60% of Gaza
>israel refusing to release a lot of prisoners still including Barghouti
>summit going on in Egypt on how to disarm hamas
How did Hamas lose this bad

>>519023581
>Hamas still not destroyed
>Hamas still in full control of Gazan people
Israel had two war goals and has achieved neither. Blowing up all of Gaza and all those points you mentioned don't really mean shit, because they mean zero to Hamas. There's a hundred thousand Barghoutis waiting in the wings for example.
Hell, Israelis didn't even kill enough Gazans to dent their population pyramid. I don't know if this is a loss for Israel, but it's certainly not victory.

>>519023581
I think their biggest problem is that Gaza is tiny. The guerilla strategy of hiding in extensive countryside/rough terrain/among civilians is much more difficult there than in Afghanistan or Vietnam. I also think that after Hamas refused the peace deal in early summer, Israel's renewed offensive across Gaza was met with lots of international condemnation, but that this mostly amounted to words of "deep concern". Any serious action against Israel, even if it decided to commit actual genocide, would be too little, too late. So Hamas couldn't count on that. Lastly, their allies failed miserably. Hezbollah got wrecked, which likely played a role in Syria collapsing, and Iran was only able to do so much on their own without their proxies.

>>519023582
If they were doing so well why did they give up all their leverage with Israel still in control of Gaza. They have given up everything for Israel to create a new permanent Gaza DMZ. And if they don’t agree to the disarmament plan then the war starts right back up again, except this time they have no hostages.

And the fact Hamas couldn’t get barghouti released still shows how much they conceded. Israel was dictating who it would and wouldn’t release yet Hamas still caved

>>64392809
Get off this site. Don't come back until you stop being brown.

>>64392821
Was Hamas’ only leverage. Now they post 2/3rds of Gaza and Israel has no reason to ever leave

>>519023586
they did just agree to a deal that they will leave
a deal that Trump has very personally and very publicly claimed
I mean I guess they can break the agreement and then go at it without the US covering their ass

>>519023576
it will definitely need to be a ground operation
nukes that close to cities are a non-starter no matter where the wind blows
>>519023581
war is just starting

>>519023576
The question is, why do Israelis deny this as their ultimate goal?

>>64392809
Why do you still omit how the Russians invaded Afghanistan and murdered over 1.5 million civilians?

>>519023587
According to the trump plan Israel doesn’t concede 2/3rds of Gaza until there’s an international security force governing the strip and Hamas disarms. Also even then, Israel still has a 1km buffer zone permanently in Gaza including the Egyptian border

This is what Hamas agreed to. And not just agreed, but still did so without all Palestinian prisoners released

>>519023589
its not
one minister suggested it but the war cabinet would never approve nuclear strikes 20km from a city that's insane.

imagine trump announcing he's gonna drop a nuke in the lower bay of NY people would lose it

>>519023590
Look man, tankies and turdies just aren't smart. Otherwise they wouldnt be how they are.

>>519023590
>>519023593
Soviet Union =/= russia. Fun fact, Ukrainians were over represented in soviet politics. The same criminal regime who's responsible for the trail of tears, all the coups in South America, nuking of innocent civilians and Muslim mass migration into Europe still rules the US.

>>519023582
>still in full control of Gazan people
Uh? Gazan have started to kill them.

>>519023595
Just like how the Iranians were going to do le regime change? You faggots sound like broken records

>>519023594
Thanks heaven, I was fearing they had lost their edge.

>>519023594
>tankie/turdie seething
You guys deserve nothing and if trump had you face the wall I'd probably support it

>all hostages released
>Israel controls the majority of Gaza
>BUT HAMAS IS WINNING
Really, even thirdies cannot believe this tripe

>>519023596
tbf, they got pretty close when ayotollah was shitting in a bucket and not saying anything. I was also told (probably by our resident pali shill) that israel couldnt bomb iran, yet jdams rained on tehran for 12 days straight.

>>519023596
They still got wrecked, again, when all you can aspire to is to survive, it will be funny to see what you try next, maybe next time you should try scooters rather than paragliders?

>>519023599
Look at the bright side, they will give us lots of chances to keep killing them, after all, they never learn.

>>519023602
IDF took like 6 KIA in the last 2 months. Hamas wasn't doing a very good job.

>>519023584
>>519023595
I don't know why you guys are mad at me, I'm supporting Israel because I'm white and I like democracy and dislike authoritarian theocratic shitholes, which is the rest of the middle east.
I'm just giving an objective assessment that Israel hasn't won a whole lot from this. In ten years they'll have to do it all again.

>>519023592
Nukes would be political suicide I agree, but I meant killing as many Palis as possible without international sanctions killing their economy

>>519023601
>TOTAL ARAB DEATH GENOCIDE GENOICDE GENOCIDE
>we only target Hamas, casualty figures are fake, we did nothing wrong
Which one are you?

Israel said they are not going to leave the Egypt/Gaza border ever again. I don't see Hamas ever regaining much strength

>>519023607
Isn't that a violation of the peace agreement with Egypt?

>>64393469
>Hamas basically absolved Hitler
I won't go that far, but yes, Hamas has been able to break through the taboo of criticism of Israel, and in some cases open hostility to Israel in the West. Israel has been a victim of its own success basically

>>64393469
>muh optics
>muh 2 more generations
Worst Muslim cope

54 countries severed ties and recognition with Israel in the 1973 war. 2 have in the Gaza war.

>>519023604
>authoritarian theocratic shitholes
doesn't this describe Israel fairly well

>>519023575 (OP)
Give a bunch of shekels to hollywood to make f35 movies even if theyre a glorified crew bombtruck.

one movie on the budget is for submarine warfare.


protip: drone warfare slop cant make an interesting or compelling movie.

>>519023611
Israel has yet to transition to becoming a shithole, since their religious authoritarianism is quite recent

>>519023613
Are you high or what? They're the OG middle eastern terroristic basket case. They've been several kinds of shithole through the few decades they've been around, sometimes simultaneously.

>>519023608
I suspect it's a huge sigh of relief from Egypt because it means they don't have to deal with it anymore. Don't forget Egypt put up a wall with their border to Gaza and refused to open up for refugees? they don't want room temp IQ jihadis stirring up shit in their country either.

>>519023611
Not really. Netanyahu's politics don't really base themselves in religious issues and the primary religious demographic of Israeli voters only cares about free gibs for their 14 inbred children and bitching about being expected to pay taxes and women having rights. Authoritarianism that frequently falls along religious lines? Yes but that's also a byproduct of regional demographics. It'd be like saying the issues between Syria and Turkey are entirely an interreligious, sectarian conflict.

>>519023616
>>519023613
>mildly religious country
>AUTHORITARIAN THEOCRATIC SHITHOLE

>>519023612
>dronewar can't be interesting
Yes it can.
You follow a sniper duel formula.
Except now you also have Guardian Summons (the unmanned vehicles) and you are driving the rifle bullet yourself.

>>519023594
>Soviet Union =/= russia
Bullshit, Russia is the Soviet Union but weaker and diminished. Read about the perestroika deception
>Fun fact, Ukrainians were over represented in soviet politics
They weren't pidorashkas, you can count Ukrainians in Soviet politics on your fingers

>>519023614
Bruh
>>519023615
Israel has been malding for decades for Egypt either to accept ethnic cleansing and into Sinai, or Egypt annex Gaza altogether. The fact Israel now can kick them out at will isn't somethings Egypt likes
>>519023617
It's going in that direction. Religiosity is for the low IQ. That's why Arab countries are the way they are.

>>519023610
>54 countries severed ties and recognition with Israel
Name them

Is there a reason Israel isn't using chemical/biological/radiological weapons in Gaza?

>>519023621
Not him but if you include 1967 and 73 you get around that

1.) USSR
2.) East Germany
3.) Poland
4.) Yugoslavia
5.) Albania
6.) Bulgaria
7.) Ethiopia
8.) Djibouti
9.) Kenya
10.) Uganda
11.) Rwanda
12.) Burundi
13.) Zaire
14.) Republic of Congo
15.) Gabon
16.) Central African Republic
17.) Madagascar
18.) Cameroon
19.) Nigeria
20.) Benin
21.) Togo
22.) Ghana
23.) Ivory Coast
24.) Sierra Leone
25.) Liberia
26.) Guinea
27.) Senegal
28.) Burkina Faso
29.) Botswana
30.) Cambodia
31.) Myanmar
32.) Chile
33.) Nicaragua
34.) Cuba
35.) Jamaica
36.) Grenada
37.) Trinidad & Tobago
38.) Maldives
39.) Brunei
40.) Iran (re-established in 76 but severed again in 79)
41.) Seychelles
42.) Mexico
43.) Peru
44.) Guyana

Only countries to actually sever ties entirely with Israel since Oct. 7th have been Bolivia and Nicaragua.

>>519023622
expensive, little experience in successful use of any of these. existing solutions are safer and more stalable
>>519023623
i think ~month or two until gideon's chariots 3. none of these countries would be involved since most of them are far away

>>519023575 (OP)
Sad news

>>519023581
They made the biggest mistake in their (shortened) lives: they genuinely pissed off the Israelis. Previously, they had been a thorn in their collective ass. A major inconvenience, but not worth the drama associated with wiping them out. Then they just HAD to go and start an actual fucking war, making it extremely personal.

>>519023623
>USSR
Very first country is a lie. They cut off relations in 1967, not 1973. Not going through the entire list given you gave provides an sources and probably quoting some random Zionist shop website. Try harder

>>519023575 (OP)
With concrete bombs and bladed hellfires and less explosive ordnance to minimize civilian casualties, cause it's clear that the kikes were never really interested in rescuing the hostage but instead destroying as most infrastructure possible and killing as many palis as they could get away with.

>>519023625
Based if true.

>>519023627
the post literally says "if you include 1967 AND 1973". Learn to read ahmed.

>>519023629
It's true his dead body has been posted online. He was killed by his own people after surviving the war lmao.

>>519023628
Concrete bombs are only good for crumping vehicles. These fuckers are dug in like ticks.

>>519023589
It never was.
The Israelis acknowledge that the birth of Israel was not without some injustice to Palestinians and they’ve bent over backwards to be accommodating to the Palestinians ever since, even as the Palestinians demand the genocide of the Jews.
This “war” was not a fight against a hated enemy, it was a loving father giving his criminal child five slaps on the wrist and sending him to bed without supper a few times in the hopes he’d straighten out.

The Israelis haven’t come close to taking the gloves off. If it’d been me, I would’ve launched artillery shells at the entirety of Gaza until its unconditional surrender.

>>519023622
Because they’re trying to stay as far away from “Nazi” as they can.
Even though the Palestinians are Nazis and deserving of a Final Solution, the Jews are REALLY buck broken over what was done to them and they’ll bend over backwards until they’re in a double-loop before they do anything that even remotely resembles what the Nazis did to them.
Killing every Gazan was just not in the cards. The worst they got was, “Don’t be too concerned with collateral civilian deaths while specifically targeting Hamas fighters with precision weapons.”

>>519023625
FAFO x2

>>519023629
Wikipedia says “was”

>>519023594
>all the coups in South America
>all

>>519023603
What do you mean? That's a decisive Muslim victory and I'm sure wikipedia will agree,

>>519023581
They value dead jews above alive palestinians which means they will never truly invest in Gaza, which will always provide a hard limiter to their power and negotiating position.

As it stands they exit for the Iranians and various other anti-Israel groups to piss Israel off, maybe get a few kills, and do economic damage by forcing them to worry more about defense. This is all they will EVER be.

>>519023626
Aw, someone saved my post.

>>519023575 (OP)
depends

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Depend-Uw-Men-Large-28ct/386892364?wl13=1615&selectedSellerId=0&wmlspartner=wlpa

>>519023632
LOL

Jun 4, 2024 — Israel dropped 70000 tons of bombs on Gaza Strip since last October, exceeding World War II bombings in Dresden, Hamburg, London combined, ...

Bibi was forced to agree to cease fire because regardless any "wartime emergency" the Jews in Israel weren't going to let him send in their kids as "boots on the ground" against Hamas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty_jwuXtAuk

IDF failed, badly.

More than a few Israelis are blaming Bibi and IDF for targeting hospitals instead of engaging Hamas, or trying to engage The Pals at large in some dialogue against them supporting Hamas.

>>519023641
If the Arabs could just acknowledge a defeat they might not get defeated the next time.

>>519023582
>Hamas still not destroyed
Are you sure about that?

“Hamas” isn’t defined as any particular group of people. It’s an extremist ideology absolutely committed to the destruction of Israel.
So tell me, when is the next time that the Gazans will launch a single rocket at Israel?

If the members of Hamas transition into a military dictatorship happy to simply rule Gaza with an iron fist, Hamas has been destroyed.
Hamas only exists so long as there are attacks on Israel. Anything else is not Hamas regardless of what headbands they might be wearing,

>>519023643
Bibi is on record telling Israeli officials to keep funding Hamas, so I guess the funds were going to some defined group.

IIRC Hamas is an official political party.

>>519023640
>>519023641
>hamas gives up all hostages
>IDF still in control of 2/3rds of Gaza, unopposed
>trump threatening to personally disarm Hamas if they don’t do it themselves
>Bibi already squeezing off aid and killing Palis without Hamas doing anything in retaliation
>meanwhile Palis are murdering Hamas members in the streets
Oh yeah big win for Hamas

>>519023642
check what Trump and Bibi were saying two months ago with WTF is going on today.

BTW, Red Sea Israeli port and Suez still closed to Israeli related shipping. USN has fled in shame and defeat. USN is supposed to be the one branch of US military that supposed to be unquestionably orders of mag better than the rest of the world combined.

>>519023646
Yes, yes. It's a decisive Arab victory like every other Arab-Israeli conflict.

>>519023646
Your concentration on meaningless image rather than being able to evaluate anything of substantive value is telling.

Unlike Mudslimes, the Jews care about human life. This was always about ending the Palestinian delusion that you would ever retake Israel and thus end the deadly attacks trying to do just that.
If the Gazans focus on rebuilding Gaza and making a life for themselves there rather than always being focused on attacking Israel, Israel has accomplished their goal.

>>519023646
>ship from china to turkey
>israeli shipping
oh no plz houthis stop torching the turkish economy, we can't take it anymore

btw Israel is smoking palis with impunity while hamas does nothing. They don't even have any hostages to torture anymore LMAO

>>519023647
it's amazing Brezhnev here is talking about event celebrated yearly across the arab world as their greatest victory in a millennia.

>>519023650
Sadat won so hard he got assassinated by his own troops during a parade.

>>519023648
moment US funding falters Israel goes from "only super power in ME" to....

7 million street corner begging Jews all fighting over the last 3 seats on the last USMC chopper leaving the US Embassy.....

and everyone knows it.

Their fearless leader, Bibi, keeps his US passport handy. :)

Fun Fact: major reason for "Cease Fire" was snowballing AWOL and "sick calls" by IDF ground forces.

>>519023645
>fail every single one of your military objectives
>actually a win
You people are fucking delusional lmao.

>>519023648
>Unlike Mudslimes, the Jews care about human life
Do you really think anyone believes this shit?

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>>519023650
The funniest thing about Israeli tards spamming this image is that it is 1000x more relevant towards Israel than it is against any Arab force they've faced in half a century.

You aren't the plucky underdog. You are the massively overfunded dipshit Arab army that can't defeat tiny forces a fraction of your own size. Without my tax dollars your country would cease to exist within a month.

>>519023596

NTA but the Israelis had a legit Palestinian proxy militia, the Popular Forces, fighting on their behalf. It looks like they've been left out to dry though because the order for the IDF to withdraw to the agreed ceasefire positions was given so abruptly that Hamas and some Palestinian civilians are carrying out lynchings and mass executions of them on newly vacated Israeli-held territory.

Posting the link because I don't think it's sfw

https://x.com/LogKa11/status/1976308865257050598

>>519023652
>2 more generations and you'll see kuffar!
lmao only one who fled was assad

>>519023652
>hezbollah dead
>hamas meekly accepting its fate
>syria collapsed
>iran bombed
>b...but you'll see!
2 more weeks

>>519023622
Because they live right next door to that shithole?

>>519023653
entire palestinian strategy is to get enough of their own killed to put pressure on Israel by the international community. That's literally how they "fight", they have no military achievement or fighting desire otherwise.

>>519023656
>this quote about brezhnev and arabs actually is about jews!
lol, no. It's still very much about arabs. Look at how assad immediately collapsed the second russia was too bogged down in Ukraine quagmire to send anything to save him.

And if Hamas was doing so well, how strange they released all the hostages with Israel still in control of 2/3rds of gaza while trump talks about bombing them if they don't disarm and Israel STILL killing palis without any reprisals. Weird huh?

>>519023630
Good.

The thing that people don't seem to get is that just because one side is strategically retarded doesn't mean the other isn't. Both Israel and Hamas are two of the biggest fucking retards this century, basically Russia tier.
It's kinda weird since their respective strategies basically play off of each other; Israel uses Hamas as an excuse to deliberately target Palestinian civilians, and Hamas uses Israel deliberately targeting Palestinian civilians as an excuse to target Israel.

Basically, this hasn't been a war between Israel and Hamas; it's been Hamas opening up the door for Israel to genocide Palestinian civilians, since both are retarded enough to think that doing so will somehow be strategically good for them in the long run.
This is backed up by the IDF acknowledging that 83% of casualties minimum have been civilians,
https://www.972mag.com/israeli-intelligence-database-83-percent-civilians-militants/
https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/21/revealed-israeli-militarys-own-data-indicates-civilian-death-rate-of-83-in-gaza-war
Both sides are some of the most evil people of the 21st century, although Israel is like 50x worse going off of directly inflicted casualties.
I've only ever cared about the civilians.

>>519023622
WP can be used as a chemical weapon and Israel has done so extensively.

>>519023575 (OP)
all money is invested into artillery.
>everyone is north korea tier tube artillery on wheels
>one elite division that just fires excalibur rounds
>one elite mothership c5 that has 4 155mms on both sides for big boy c130 tier support
>giant gulf war iraq super cannon in our israeli mt fortress base.

>>519023664
>both sides are evil retards
so much this

>>519023664
>I've only ever cared about the civilians.
Thats your problem, you care for literally most unimportant part existing only to excite terminally online people. But they will forget everything in just a few weeks and all your propagana points will vanish with a wet fart

>>519023667
You sound like you're speaking from experience as a terminally online person, rather than someone who actually matters.

>>519023668
You sound like a delusional western middle class retard who does not understand how real world works.
Just dont be surprised when actual actors dont care about civilians

Israelis seriously live in an alternate reality where they've done nothing wrong.
>Mowing the grass (7th october raids on palestinians don't count apparently)
>Detaining thousands of people including kids (totally not hostages btw lol) without any legal representation. Widespread abuse is brushed under the carpet.
>Funding HAMAS to keep palestinians divided
>First announcing and then following through on war crimes
>Going to palestinian homes, forcing them out at gunpoint taking over their homes
>Attack palestinians who are on their way to work to scare them away from their own lands
>Undermind the palestinians (PLO) who tried to work with israel at every turn by raiding, killing, kidnapping, and stealing on the west bank.
>Cry to the west that they're the only democracy in the middle east, their "democracy" is actually a two tier society where jews are the real citizens
Israelis are so comically evil it has been beyond belief. It's going to be interesting to see if their pivot from Europe and USA, and to Africa and India will succeed.

>>519023575 (OP)
13 nukes
I don't even know why they wasted their time. the optics was horrible every day it dragged on

where did you get dragged in from

>>519023577
Lol