Thread 519024203

Accounts on (kiwi) Farms using reputable email providers like goggle, Microsoft, yahoo, yandex and protonmail to do so.
Who was it /pol/ and why are jannies here letting the same threat actor spam relentlessly?
[Yes imageboards are dead as a communication platform - it was nice as long as it lasted]

>>519024203 (OP)
Is that a man or a lower mid-tier woman?

Probably Russia, China or Israel.

>>519024203 (OP)
Leto won
Heil Leto

>>519024203 (OP)
Mods and admins are fags and trannies. Obvious by how tranny treads are kept up, while most anit-tranny threads are pruned immediately.

>>519024310
The pedo fur fag doesn't have the means. Go get banned again diaper shitter

>>519024203 (OP)
>or threat actress

>>519024270
Was my first thought too, but shouldn't they already have a fuckton of accounts no need to go full retard trying in such a short time - my current suspicion is Saudis

>>519024445
>my current suspicion is Saudis
Meds
Leto won

>>519024503
Take your meds shizo pedo

>>519024203 (OP)
>register 15000 Accounts on (kiwi) Farms using reputable email providers like goggle, Microsoft, yahoo, yandex and protonmail to do so.
Dare I say, based.

>Who was it /pol/
A likeable outlaw with a cause.

>Yes imageboards are dead as a communication platform - it was nice as long as it lasted
I wouldn't write them off entirely; modern social media like faceberg, tiktok etc are just as full of bots, so it's not just that.

Imageboard health hinges on nurturing a board culture, judicious and active moderation&management, up-to-date bot-whacking tech and well-placed advertisements to bring in new blood.

>>519024854
Nope, imageboards are dead
Organic posting is down to 20

>>519024918
What's your sample size?
This board?

>>519024955
Website

>>519024974
And this board isn't the worst. There are boards that have practically no organic posting, factually dead but some contractor still have contracts about spamming them so they do

>>519024854
heil leto

>>519024974
There's other imageboards. Both international and local. Some are quite active.

>>519025033
Politically charged boards will, of course, attract astroturfers. Those discussing commercial products may be affected as well. Niche communities not so much. I am not going to name these but even here you may find slow blue boards that are still organic.

The problem with this one is that it's nearly monopolized the English-speaking imageboard "market", if that's the applicable word here, and is attracting too much unwanted attention. The moderation is jaded and inept. Their tools archaic. Their reputation tattered. It's misery.
The best thing 4chins could've done lately was to remain dead when sharty broke it, and let other imageboards grow instead. But alas, there's money to be made here.

>>519025383
There certainly are, though they are dwarfed by random fetish discords, so pretty much irrelevant, that includes the sharty. The farms sharty thread is more active and organic than the imageboard itself.

Imageboards have no future, Gramscians wised up over the past decade and their attempt to subvert the upstream vanguard culture killed the no-account models of platforms. Ironically attempting to mitigate the problem by requiring email registrations on imageboards made the problem worse.
There is not really a solution that is able to salvage the model as long as (state) actors shell out liquidity to contractors trying to infiltrate and subvert post-Boomer information production and distribution - its back to forums and forum owners systematically purging accounts suspected to be contractors, state and private

>>519025053
Goes to show how much of an impact just a handful of individuals can make.
And, he's rather passionate about the community he's fostering. Ever seen hiromoot show up to a random thread and just talk for a bit?
Whoever's still steering this place, have segregated themselves into their own discords. I'd be surprised if the higher-ups did anything but collect ad paychecks.
And boy does it show.

>>519025908
They can do the same thing with accounts lol, just rack up a post history and then start talking about finasteride, viagra, McDonalds new juicy burger or whatever. It would take time but they don't need as many accounts since there is less noise to cut through.
The only way is basically more aggressive and arbitrary moderation, because if it's not arbitrary they can always hide behind something like, "oh you can't 100% prove i'm a shill" but there is a balance where it can also subdue interesting or relevant content.

>>519025908
>dwarfed by random fetish discords
I can't confirm or deny because I don't keep up to date with the happenings on discord.
I hear they are super anal about some of their rules and it's easy to have your account permabanned if someone reports you for random posts that include a number that is below 18.
Besides, they comply with the UK age control and require users to scan their faces apparently? And the whole thing got breached just a week or so ago? I mean for now you can get away with just proompting a face but this eagerness to follow the rules means they will keep complying.
>pretty much irrelevant,
I'm not sure, ru 2ch is pretty huge. It's got feds on staff now tho, afaik. And the politics-related boards are being watched.

>killed the no-account models of platforms.
I suppose so. Seeing how we have cookies tracking # of posts, email verification etc here, at this point I wouldn't mind if an imageboard that was being harassed by bots introduced something akin to a temporary account. This, of course, still hinges upon devs keeping up with AI tech and mods not being literal coprophiles, so that rules this place out.

>Imageboards have no future,
What IS the future, in your opinion? I am rather pessimistic in regards to the unrestricted chatting on the web in general. Xmpp? Matrix instances? Both are just as susceptible.

>There is not really a solution that is able to salvage the model as long as (state) actors shell out liquidity to contractors
As far as large enough social platforms are concerned and the actors' interests are involved, yes. They have an edge here.
For now it seems that the one way to get by is to be small and niche enough to go under their radar. But, for a community to not just wither, there needs to be an influx of new members so balance must be found there. And the rules can change at any time.
Maybe some kind of invite-only / vouch platform would work? With mods being able to track how the bots got in.

>>519026683
>Maybe some kind of invite-only / vouch platform would work
That is where it is going. The open internet is likely over and now is the small window where one can still try to get into the communities where pre-vouching is getting gate kept

>>519024445
it is 100% the saudi.
Try to do a anti saudi thread, try to do it like 6-7 times for week and see what happend.
Jannies will hunt you down like rabid dogs

>>519024259
It's Josh photoshopped onto a woman

>>519026056
Exactly. That’s why he heil King Leto around here.

>>519027442
The ineptness of the contractors and online marketing companies they use is hilariously bad. Also their weird obsession with keeping the botched vegas assassination attempt in the narrative, clumsy as fuck.

>>519027307
>That is where it is going.
Honestly, considering the alternative, I don't really mind this, with tiny niche distributed/federated communities serving as backups.

It could be an imageboard-like website, where one can post anonymously, but technically has an account area. Invite codes are generated at a limited rate, sped up by effortposting. When a bot is discovered, the mods would be able to track their way down the chain to find the mole. Results should probably be made public for transparency. With the way chatbots are improving though, it may be a tall order.
My biggest concern would be actual human bias and degeneracy leading to power abuse. Already seeing some mastodon instances blacklisting others, for example, out of political beliefs. But, at least, one can always just leave the pozzed instance for another and keep on posting.
Anything large enough and centralized is easily subverted.

>>519027706
What he's been doing to further the cause of unrestricted posting is quite laudable, big fan.
The scary part is, though, if he can do it, then imagine what tools the real malefactors have. Even the trained chatbot they have in meta, while overdramatic, can sound reasonable. Dumb it down a bit and it would make a fine sneedposter.

>>519027948
On another note, the suspected Saudi contractor accounts mapped on the farms as on other places are genuinely afraid of Trump, they know he is no Clintonian or Bushite and won't be playing ball like those bastards that sold out the USA to camel jokeys for 60 years.

I can see Saudis getting fucked back into the stoneage with their resources getting taken away by US energy company affiliated mercenaries/"terrorist" if they keep playing the both sides game

>>519028451
>My biggest concern would be actual human bias and degeneracy leading to power abuse
That's a given. The turf wars, purity spirals and further atomization in already atomized information bubbles is going to accelerate - I ignore and exclude mastodon, bluesly and other "left" bubbles already, because they are already there and have kneecaped themselves effectively out of ever becoming upstream cultural vanguard platform able to influence the Zeitgeist on a larger scale outside their atomized bubbles

>>519024203 (OP)

Jason caressi aka hoe_math organised legion since his face was leaked and he tried to unsuccessfully derail the thread about him on kiwi using a sock puppet account.

>Pic related hoe_math's actual ugly incel grifter face

>>519028690
I've always assumed bluesky was the anti-xitter, so exactly the same functionality but without Musk, which meant its biggest selling point was to appeal to the leftists. That's enough for me to never bother.
Maybe it's more user-friendly too, never tried. Xitter is pretty shite without an account (borderline unusable even to lurk) and probably not much better with it. Pages are bloated too, nitter was lightning fast in comparison.
Gave mastodon a try a few years ago but it turned out that I created an account in some unironic tankietroon off-shoot that has self-quarantined or something. Looked it up and more people were complaining about admins of different servers having disputes and blocking each other off, with users having to pick. What a clown fiesta. These lot just can't stay impartial.

Chatbots were a mistake. I want to go back.

>>519029301
There is no going back. The pessimistic demon world outcome of this is, that the future of online communication and platforms is the same imageboards go through, for all platforms and users opted to drop the middle man and bots posing as humans and just withdraw directly to llms and generative model instances.
So effectively no inter-person communication and the factual dead of culture.

And the AI sub reddits point toward that pessimistic future; humans that satisfy their (para) social needs with chatbots and spamming platforms with llm slop, getting ignored by other users

>>519029655
The positive aspect of it being, marketing dying with it

>>519025908
the internet is a failed experiment, i think it's inevitable that the architecture will get split up and people will be incentivized to go back outside. it has been disastrous to the social state of affairs, but more importantly it's too chaotic a nexus of information so that a single state actor can't control the narrative. it's just a battlefield of essentially every corporation and government on earth deploying propaganda and psyops in an equilibrium of mutually assured informational destruction. there's little to be gleaned here anymore, anything of truth or novelty can only be found in far flung corners. governments will gradually try to return to a pre web-centralized order of things as the internet grows more and more untenable to the average normalfag who is otherwise numb to the apocalyptic sloppification of everything (the genie CAN be put back in the bottle if nobody actually WANTS to use the internet anymore)

>>519024203 (OP)
>>519024270
their plan of ignoring us when we call them trannys isnt working since they are egotistical kikes and have to respond

>>519024854
Someone who should and will yiff in hell together with you, furshit diaperfag.

>>519029129
Well that guy definitely had a short-lived Chad faze

It was probably a Jersh false flag to try to cause more drama with Ralf or Keffals or something because he wants people to pay attention to him again

>>519029796
Nope. For the foreseeable future, the next 50 years, that cat won't go back into the bag. You are not going to be able to top-down take away digital natives crack without getting guillotined. And that is just Millennials, Zoomers and older Alpha, those that are supposed to cover the debt orgies and bail out by BoomerX over the last 50 years.

I rather see Nepal as the political future than Gramscians getting back their printing press authority toys to social engineer f2f

>>519029893
And became a tranny in the OP?

On the meta discussion, I reluctantly have to say, that Peter Thiels Neo-Anabaptist approach might be the winner down the road. Using llms and chatbots to brainwash the infants of today into hardcore christians out of pragmatism and recognizing that for all its shortcomings, Christianity is a better social glue, allowing some technological progress in its frame than the current BoomerX soviet influenced materialistic religiosity

>>519029655
>There is no going back.
Yeah that's the demoralizing part.
My only recourse is that at least we got to experience the era that came before.

>the factual dead of culture.
Death of the internet and pop culture as we know it sure. But people aren't entirely tied to either and may still create something organic on their own, particularly offline.
It will however be impossible to find unbiased opinions on products, people, concepts, online. And, of course, the opinions of real people one may ask irl would be affected, or rather infected, by the message pushed in the web. Moreso than it is now, that is.
>>519029734
>marketing dying with it
I dunno, wouldn't be so sure. Ads aren't going anywhere because they do work even without bots shilling for them. Marketing teams will still be employed to run campaigns, pick where to allocate their bot resources, adjust the phrasing on the messages being pushed sometimes and so on.

>>519029796
>the internet is a failed experiment
For us yes. For *them* it's a resounding success.
>i think it's inevitable that the architecture will get split up and people will be incentivized to go back outside.
Would be great but don't see it happening. People are increasingly incentivized to do everything online. Shopping, watching tv, dating, playing, even traveling (vicariously through livestreamers) etc.
The only way for that to realistically change is for a counter-culture like hippies or punks to appear, denouncing all things digital and seeking flesh&blood and physical over online hedonism.
Good luck getting that thing going though when even the governments often expect you to be online for them and paper money are on their way out.
>it has been disastrous to the social state of affairs,
Oh absolutely.
> it's too chaotic a nexus of information so that a single state actor can't control the narrative.
Not seeing this part tbqh, to me it seems that it's working quite well and the chaos is perfectly controllable by the powers that be. Dissident information is getting drowned in the cacophony. If a foreign entity gets too loud it just gets shut down under a random pretext and is forgotten the next day because keeping up with all the news is now a full-time job and picking out the important bits takes finesse. Few can afford that, most just breadcrumb their way through life and use the internet for chatting, porn and funny cat videos. I think we're at a point where those who pull the strings can influence even those, e.g. suppress videos with white cats and promote red and black ones. No one will be the wiser and soon enough you'll have people lining up to have a black cat specifically.

>>519024203 (OP)
oi! thanks for this!
Please post in >>>/vr/ and tell them the real name for the Sega Master System was originally the "SEGA System".
They get really mad, especially the jannies, even though it's a very true fact.

>>519033819
Marketing dying is a given. We are already at a stage in the bubbles where outsiders are being identified and outcasted on the base of their language. A marketing fag sticks always out like a sour thumb as the only reason being in a communication space isn't genuine interst for the space but wanting to sell crap.
On the dead of culture; culture is the agreement on subjective tropes as collective, if the individual perception is atomized toward the individual, collective illusion of perception and conception of reality stops existing

>>519035263
/Vr/ is the most heavily shilled board on this website. Organic posting is at times at 0 while pph far over 100. I think metas and googles advertising attempts regarding vr on that board is majorly responsible for vr dying again as they suffocated every bottom up interest because it didn't align with the corpo idea about vr

>>519036517
>Google
Apple of course

Also it was a fun year testing idea poison methodology giving their shills the most horrible wrong feedback on their products possible

Hump

niggers

>>519039849
That's the other option
Some hired pajeets, but who contracted the jeets, I go still with Sauds

>>519024203 (OP)
Mods are niggers and they are gay.

>>519041601
Yep, I identified a hand full of kiwi mods that are likely compromised as I am currently creating maps of user accounts affiliated to various state and corporate actor propaganda groups.

Its though by far not as bad as the state of imageboards

Wasn't bots. One county in India gained internet access. They have that many people.

>>519044011
Doubt it. The sheer amount in a short time frame as an ongoing ddos suggests bot support. Likely to create a stock of accounts to be utilized by whatever threat actor as a reservoir

>>519024203 (OP)
One of the reasons that social media is susceptible to 'mass flagging' is that there really is no realistic substitute for allowing users to report and flag 'offensive' posts and acting automatically based solely on the number of reports generated.

The reason for this is obvious: The number of accounts so far exceeds what is possible to police individually by humans that relying on automated processes is the only thing that ensures the social media companies aren't subject to charges of negligence.

Many things in life are like this. So many it would surprise most people, without exception, the extent to which semi-automated decisions are relied on to keep the train on the rails. This is obviously manipulable, which cannot be helped.

>>519044854
And what is the mitigation strategy to reduce the need for human as automated systems trying to clean up? Yes, encouraging the user base to use ignore/ban/filter functions extensively leading to further atomization of perceived reality and rendering broad brush propaganda ineffective

>>519024203 (OP)
that was the US government probably

>>519024270
Nope CIA.gov

Here is darpa connected to gamergate

>>519024270
CIA.meme

>>519045162
They already have more than just a few accounts. Israel, the US (dems as republican), Russia and Chinese all have dedicated shills on the platform spamming the news, opinion and "thunder dome" section of the forum, very easy to map.

>>519024270
Ciameme

>>519024270
CIA memes on all websites

Take your meds spammer. I don't know who pays you jeet, but its either Chinese or Russian - you suck at this and should be layed off

>>519045651
CIA.memes

>>519045781
Here is 5 hours of esoteric and secret society symbolism hidden in the architecture of cities across the world but yes it's "CIA.meme" spammed on all websites.

https://youtu.be/48z8BtS__a4?si=hgHuZTrLivqt5zuw

>>519031182
it is absolutely fascinating to listen to people like you… throwing around terms, speaking from a perspective of pure cynicism… and then you just casually drop the assumption that peter thiel’s motivation for taking over the world is to redpill little kids with his new ChristGrok, because that’s how passionate thiel is about christianity! and if he can spread christcuckery then all is justified!

an astonishing amount of naïveté. i have the most simple question for you which could also be applied to trump or musk or speaker johnson…

if his faith is so important to him why hasn’t he read the bible? why has he never gone to church ever? why did he only start with the christ-talk AFTER becoming massively powerful and infamous?

thiel doing a talk on the antichrist is no more complicated than “if i was the antichrist myself why would i be against it?” and apparently some people are so dumb they fall for it

thiel’s motivation is to be king of the world.