Thread 519026145

There has never been a valid argument against Libertarianism. Only straw men and other logical fallacies.

>>519026145 (OP)
Get better bait Commie Fag

>Don't tread on me
No.

>>519026145 (OP)
roads

>>519026145 (OP)
(((Libertarianism))) ALWAYS results in corporate feudalism with all the wealth and power concentrated at the top.

Both ultra-capitalism and communism are unhealthy, extremes that result in stratified oligarchy and the majority of people being poor, miserable slaves.

You need a healthy balance of private and public forces in order to have a truly healthy and prosperous society.

>>519026145 (OP)
Libertarians are for Austrian Economics.
That means a 100% backed or accountable monetary system that cannot be printed at will and devalued like the current debt based fiat system can be.

This factor alone makes Libertarians THE BIGGEST THREAT to the status quo and the jew overlords.

This is why libertarianism is constantly attacked and statism is promoted as it keeps government relevant and even worshipped.

If you've fallen for the statism meme, you have fallen for pol psyops and social influencers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYZz2thqAVU

>>519026145 (OP)
I can think of one:

>>519026145 (OP)
libertarianism only worked in 1700s America when it was 99% White

All CRITICISMS OF LIBERTARIANISM DESCRIBE TODAYS SOCIETY

CRITICISE LIBERTARIANISM WITHOUT DESCRIBING SOCIETY TODAY

There are jews on pol who NEED to dissuade you from libertarianism and they will kvetch in this thread.

Libertarianism advocates small government that you voluntarily associate with. Also for a debt-free currency that bears no usury and cannot be inflated. This is how the jew control society - through INFLATION.

Yes - there are jewish libertarians, so inb4 that standard pic gets posted of all the "jewish libertarians";
1) Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman were not libertarians.
2) Jews don't want to be jewed either.

Why would jews want goyim thinking about voluntary association? How does that fit into the jew agenda? What about no usury? And debt free currency? How can the jew exploit these things? There is NO WAY jews would want goyim thinking about usury free currency and voluntary association with government and business.

>>519027341
>inb4 libertarians are pedos
Epstein and Jimmy Savile were not libertarians. Name one libertarian who was a pedo.

>inb4 open boarders
If you don't want foreigners in your community, don't associate with them. A foreigner coming into a libertarian society will be at a disadvantage. They will not speak the language or understand the culture, so will not manage. Libertarianism encourages people to stay in their communities because they are in an environment they can associate with directly. We have mass immigration happening now and this happens because of socialist policy, not because we are libertarian nations.

>Inb4 monopolies
"We will get a jewish owned monopolies in every industry and we will get jewed in the same way".
This is precicely what is happening today and we are not living with libertarian policies.

>inb4 Libertarians are divided and conquered
A hierarchy is what gets jewed. Authoritarianism is what gets jewed. If individuals are deciding what they associate with, they are protected from getting jewed en masse. We are more divided now than ever before and we are getting jewed on every level.


THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW AND WE ARE NOT LIBERTARIAN NATIONS ARE WE

>>519027263
>The ideology that explicitly enables corporate feudalism is a threat to kikes.

LMAO.

>>519027402
Thats a video of Klaus Schwab attacking libertarianism

>>519027283
Not an arguement, and not even true. You are a bad faith shill.

>>519027437
we live in "corporate feudalism" now and we are socialist nations

Libertarianism is a disguise where corrupt government officials funnel money to their billionaire friends and inside trade nonstop
We have lived under libertardism for the last nine months and the country has literally never been worse

>>519027494
No, we are capitalist nations you delusional, lying faggot.

>>519027437
>>519027402


See > > > >>>519027498.

We are socialist nations and all you can do is say we are "libertarian"

LMFAO libertarianism is SUCH A THREAT that you all have to damage control as much as possible and spam NatSoc shit (which has died out suspiciously) as a replacement.

Ron Paul in 2008 was absolutely terrifying for you LOL

>>519027498
Epicly braindead take

>>519027575
debt is not capital

>Trillions of National Debt
>Bank bailouts
>Corporate subsidies
>Welfare
>Social housing
>Interventionism
>Stock buybacks
>Fiat currency
>Quantitative Easing
>Central banking
>Too big to fail
>World Bank
>International Monetary Fund

arent "capitalism". If capital can be created at will its not capital. All those things listed affect the purchasing power of ALL the currency in circulation - it affects the collective.

this is communism - global communism.

>>519027341
Why do lying shills like you act like (((Libertarianism))) is a threat to kike power when they literally invented it?

>>519026145 (OP)
If you let capitalism run free corporations will always grow into a few monopolies and subvert the state to destroy capitalism. Libertarianism is a self defeating ideology like communism that relies on the ridiculous idea that people will behave in idealistic ways instead of like people

>>519027746
Central banking exists in capitalist countries too you stupid fuck. You're grasping at straws here.

Libertarianism literally only exists to impede the ability of the people to push back against the rich. It's a kike ideology of societal destruction.

>>519027899
LMAO COPE HARDER FAGGOT.

Your propaganda is pathetic and your ideology is jewish.

>>519027777
>>519027868

Literally Hitler had 150,000 jews in his army

and no - money HAS TO be backed by an asset 100%.

Fiat currency printed by a central bank is not money.

Everyone has experienced the cost of lliving crisis - the COMMUNity - and ((( CENTRAL BANKING ))) is why

>>519027777
>>519028008
forgot pic

>>519027283
The whole of anarcho capitalism relies on everyone playing nice and following the non aggression principle. This would quickly fall apart, because the NAP isn't real and anyone with a brain would just do a power grab.

>>519027949
Jews exploit the goyim with fiat currency and libertarianism is 100% Austrian economics.

This is why this retard is seething so hard

>>519027899
>Deflecting this hard

There is absolutely no way you arent fully aware that your ideology isn't complete jewish bullshit. You are a shill.

>>519028075
>just do a power grab.
thats where the "not playing nice" comes in

>>519028085
thats reasoning, not deflecting.

Youre using words you dont know what they mean

>>519028008
>>519028039
Cope harder, faggot. The only "people" that lolbertarianism "liberates" are rich jews.

>>519028177
no. not at all. It disables their ability to control you. You effectively exit their system

hence all the seethe

>>519028305
>Letting rich people do whatever they want without any consequences will liberate me.

LMAO

>>519028159
Yeah, and nobody would go along with it. There's nothing enforcing the NAP. It's just a philosophical concept. Why would I as a burgeoning nation state willingly give up my right to sovereignty to follow some theoretical principle of nonagression? I could do that, or steamroll my competition.

>>519028305
Because large corporations have always been the most moral and just of us. And they DEFINITELY wouldn't merge into an all consuming megacorp and subject us to neofeudalism.

>>519026145 (OP)
99% of the people who call themselves libertarians are not left wing anarchists, which means they're not libertarian at all.

Ah yea despite relabeling themselves as libertarians during Carter they also completely lost their way. Now the anarcho-syndicalists look down on their little child and shake their head. Granted lubtards never killed millions in some wacky national takeover. Neither did anarchists. But keeping property rights while giving total freedom is equal to murder because ppl starve of poverty and sickness if single entities control the price of life important goods.
There was a strong left wing libertarian, pacifist, isolationist faction in the tea party. And certainly you can call the pride boys the Antifa of america. Antifa in Europe has exactly the same values and most antifas in Europe supported Kyle Rittenhouse. What trump is calling Antifa in America is just a bunch of banana republic looters. The whole country is now a banana republic. With banana president and banana riots. Now the libertarian right gained lot of traction. It's incredibly trendy and cool to call urself libertarian because u made 5k in btc.

>>519026145 (OP)
So what do you do for living op?

>>519026145 (OP)
Good luck getting that to work with current demographics lol.

>>519026145 (OP)
>There has never been a valid argument against Libertarianism.
Doesn't have to be. You just have to be outvoted by everyone else, and you are. States don't have rights. They haven't had rights for 150 years. The Civil War violated the 4th and 10th Amendments. The Constitution doesn't mean anything.

>>519027263
What do you do for living?

>>519026145 (OP)
Ok. You're free to be an ancap individual. Me and my "tribe" will just murder you and take your stuff, is all.

>>519027384
Lol people actually believe this retarded shit? When Mubutu roasts you alive and sells your meat to other feral nogs at the market, that is libertarianism.

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>>519028940
LMFAO look at the amount of damage control


Buy gold and silver - its real money
I live off my gold and silver inflation. No one knows because its entirely off their radar.

I could claim benefits too as we are SOCIALIST nations.

REMOVE YOUR WEALTH FROM THE SYSTEM AND BECOME AN ANCHOR.

THEY WONT BE ABLE TO AFFORD SO MUCH GAY SHIT IF YOU DO THIS

>>519027436
Klaus schwab supports depopulation. Anyone who loves nature does too.

I just asked what do you for living there is no need to be pissy all of the sudden. Unless you are the very leech you bitch about then sure.

>>519026145 (OP)
https://youtu.be/57rMzjIE5l4

>>519026145 (OP)
1) How the fuck you will form an army in the anarchic society? You will be conquered by any nigger kangdom in less than a week.

2) Not a single historical example of. Only some mafia or corsair meme republics always been btfoed.

>>519027341
>Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman were not libertarians.

So how was what they advocated for different to Libertarianism?

>>519026145 (OP)
Milei

>>519027384
>Name one libertarian who was a pedo.
Robert Heinlein

Btw I'm an anarchist and I bought 40btc in 2008 ish. It was first News in the anarchist community. Every revolution in history started by creating an independent currency. Even Bavaria started its independence and farmers revolution by printing their own paper cash back in 1600. We've come along way now with different token coins being used for community interchange. Anarchist communes are everywhere. What pol is talking about since decades with a white ethno state the anarchists already accomplished. We have communities all over south America, half of Spain is anarchist. Electricity is free, housing free, all farmland is worked in cooperatives and the profits shared on needs. We have our own banks and our own insurance companies and even free hospitals all over France, Greece, Italy, Spain. Some Anarchist syndicalists worker unions are well over 200k members strong. We have anarchist political parties running like podemos with 12% of the votes.
And u all don't know jack shit about it because no anarchist is gonna waste their time on TikTok Twatter or 4chan with u retards. If u didn't figure it out by now it's probably better to keep ur nose in ur own business. Pay ur taxes, student loan, mortgage, work for slave wages, eat disgusting slob. Nobody gives a shit what u do with ur life, especially not the anarchists

>>519029242
There are plenty of anarchist armies. Ypg, Nestor machno in Ukraine with 80k soldiers, durrutti column and the Spanish republic. Emiliano Zapatista in mexico.

Each army stood ground against communists, fascists, tsars and oligarchs. Robin hood anyone? But wtf can u do about 3 front wars against empires.
If it wasn't for Martin Luther holding back the European farmer army they would've overrun every king in Europe.

>>519029242
>Not a single historical example of
This. When I discussed with a libertarian a while ago, the only historical example he could give was some literally where minuscule part of Italy or something 300 years ago in a 100% Aryan area.
>Wow a village of 200 tight knit high-trust Aryans almost innawoods protected by a huge government and no enemies of any kind anywhere close can afford to not bother with complicated laws or security, I'm sure that can be expanded to countries with dozens of millions of people where half are niggers, beaners, arabs and jews.

>>519029771
Was it the Etruscans? Amazing piece of history right?, I'll go n watch a doc about em now. Btw there are books by horst Strohwasser fe that have 500 pages of historic examples of anarchist societies. Maybe go read a book or stay stupid I dunno what to tell u

Libertarianism is about 90% aligned with Lenin and Marx (thats not a criticism)

the perfect system is a conservative system

think about how you govern your own mind. you dont just immediately adopt new ideas, you slowly introduce changes and veto them first. next after that you'd have underlying rules (at least i'd hope that you would) which you never change. things like moral codes etc which form an immovable foundation or backbone

immigration would be extremely slow, and veto'd

communistic elements should also be present, paying for communal things like roads but obviously not going too far. communistic elements should also keep capatalistic elements in check (greedy companies), and make sure only certain property and things can be sold to foreigners for a set period of time. there should also be laws to govern filthy rich people from distorting the whole system, buy limits, property ownership laws etc. this ensures things will always be returned inevitably or kept within the land. foreigners should never be allowed to change "the foundation" of how the government functions, only "changeable" elements can they change, but the underlying core will never change

finally to deal with inflation and debt, there should be a sabbath concept introduced every period where there's an economic reset

so yeah, basically conservative with communistic elements

someone here knows what i mean

>>519029407
It seems he never did anything pedo-y

>>519030305

Your system has a two-tier model:

Immutable Foundation (core principles, sovereignty, moral code, constitutional backbone)
Changeable Layer (policy, economics, infrastructure, immigration quotas, tech integration, etc.)

By allowing flexibility only in the changeable layer, you:
Preserve cultural identity and order
Still allow political dynamism and innovation
Give voters a clear role: shaping day-to-day governance without threatening the nation's soul

So, "stagnation" isn't a real risk as long as the changeable layer is responsive. You’ve basically created a guard-railed democracy—where people can experiment with policy, but never burn the house down.

thanks chatgpt

>>519026145 (OP)
The biggest argument against is that it delivers shitty outcomes for almost everyone, so society has near unanimously decided in favour of policies contrary to lolbertarianism. If you want libertarianism move to Somalia.

>>519029704
>would've overrun every king in Europe.
What you get without monarchs in two centuries after french scum-fest? Immediately -- Buonoparte (wasn`t even etnically french lmao). Later -- Stalin and Hitler (hence not russian nor german).

Now -- worldwide dying out white people. Good job, faggot-crowd.

>BUT MUH ROMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Roma Aeterna was an aristocratic republic, not an ohlocratic one.

>>519026145 (OP)
when i see Snek flag this is what i think of

>>519030305
there is no perfect system but the closest one is going to be a monarchy with a philosopher king who only needs to use the dungeon one or two times to send SUPREME unwanted frequencies to his opponents and surpasses any horde of wannabe witches or magicians by mere existence.

>>519031077
Somalia is run by the UN - the most socialised system the worlds ever seen

>>519030083
Elaborate.
It seems to me as the polar opposite

>>519032533

huh? the system i mentioned is perfect. you can still vote, but only on the changeable things. the underlying structure would be based on Bible moral code, or whatever that nation decides is their "unchanging thing" (if it isnt The Bible its going to fail)

the land literally cant be sold to foreigners, greedy jews cant take over government, immigration happens at a snails pace for the most part, and you only let people in who integrate properly, unless there's some kind of emergency. even if that did result in an influx of immigrant, the law of land is unchangeable, so after a period of endurance they'd be kicked out

inflation can never happen either because things reset every period. in The Bible it was like 70 years? idk. but using that principle we could find a good number and choose that and make it immutable, or at least a range immutable

the framework could be given to every nation and their leaders, no need for the antichrist philosopher king

>>519026145 (OP)
Much like communism, it simply doesn't work to scale of populations because it can't factor in individual differences and motivations, and the conflicts that arise from them.
It also encourages exploitation of the masses, and allows psychopaths to easily gain power while then working to subvert and destroy its own tenets to establish tyranny.

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>>519030083
>>519029541
LMAO look at the seethe.
They have no arguments - just strawmen.

>>519029123
We are socialist nations. You cant vote it away. Since I am against socialism, AND I am financially positioned to benefit from unlimited currency printing (by buying gold and silver) it makes sense to be an anchor to the gay system and drain it of resources until it dies

>>519026145 (OP)
why do commies suck the governments dick

they are soo retarded they dont see the government is cucking them over soo hard

>>519033083
as wendigoon once said
"oh the government would nev- oh yes they would"

>>519026145 (OP)
My argument is that libertarians are fags

>>519032970
Ah so basically average libertarian(neet)

>>519032854
Lol noone is going to follow your repressive christcuck jew slave ideologue lmfao absolute midwit tier obviously society should be ran by a series of 10 autistist with a hyperfixation of improving their nations whom every 4 month or so either succeed or are executed by the peoples vote.

>>519033271
I work as a translator, but its not on the record

>>519026145 (OP)
>There has never been a valid argument against Libertarianism. Only straw men and other logical fallacies.
Reminder that Libertarianism enables a gradual transition into anything from what's currently going on to full-blown communism by embracing freedom of association, without anyone ever violating the Libertarian holy commandments.

>>519026145 (OP)
>trust the private sector that’s been getting violently raped by the Chinese for over a decade now
>after the orange nigger decides the global game of capital is not worth playing anymore and flips the monopoly board
Do you think at all?

>>519027246
>ALWAYS results in corporate feudalism with all the wealth and power concentrated at the top
implying theres something wrong with that, "are monopolies actually good?"

>>519033367
libertarianism and communism are complete opposites

>>519033430
No joke, shut the fuck up about how much it works when you mooch as much off of us as Israel does now you stupid fucking paypigs. Talking about how your glownigger crypto society is the future when you unironically get mogged by Cubans who have developed in the shadow of America when you stagnate even with Western wealth flooding you.

>>519033330

you dont have too follow God, im just saying without God itll fail

you could make the framework and distribute it. the framework has unchangeable elements. its conservative. it also has changeable elements so novelty/change etc can happen in society and its not always just the same tired crap. but the core remains the same. and then you have a period of economic reset so inflation never happens

you have rules railguarding from retardation and evil people ever taking advantage

the elite probably have already figured this crap out, but they want a gay global system with antichrist or whatever due to their gay religious beliefs in satan

>>519033432
>libertarianism and communism are complete opposites
Yes. Now consider the fact that Libertarianism enables a gradual transition into anything from what's currently going on to full-blown communism by embracing freedom of association, without anyone ever violating the Libertarian holy commandments.

>>519033334
What are you translate?

>>519033674
>a gradual transition into anything
ok - so thats not going to be libertarianism, is it

>>519033821
German

>>519027899
where was ayn rand an admitted socialist?

>>519032729
They both want to destroy "the state" for many of the same reasons only lenin says to use the state as a tool to bring the eventual collapse of the state.

>>519033822
>thats not going to be libertarianism
Good job proving to yourself that "libertarianism" is a meaningless ideology with no real state of affairs attached to it.

>>519027211
>posts the federal highway system

>>519033430
How's Milei doing?

>>519033581
One correction. We are the paypigs.

The state is an elaborate tool for oppressing a class of people by another class of people.

>>519026145 (OP)
the central liberty guarantor will eventually b corruptd by its libertines, decreasing liberty long-term

Ironically, every "nightmare scenario" of libertarianism statecucks bring up is the exact same thing that's occurring today, with a bloated, overbearing state.
Unfortunately, they never see the irony, having a sub-100 IQ.

>>519034001
later in life she became dependent on the state and supported socialism to some extent

>>519034202
if libertarianism changes to something else, then you say "look this isnt libertarian!" its like - yeah

>>519027498
>corrupt government officials funnel money to their billionaire friends and inside trade nonstop
God, can you imagine? Thank god we don't live under libertarianism and those things never happen.

>>519036240
Good one. I guess Im not libertarian anymore

>>519026145 (OP)
>2pbtid
>lolbert
You deserve to be raped and killed by an illegal alien . Thats what you support

How do you privatize power companies

>>519035997
>if libertarianism changes to something else, then you say "look this isnt libertarian!" its like - yeah
We start from something you call "Libertarianism". Then everyone who disagrees with "Libertarians" (i.e. almost everyone) starts to form enclaves with their own additional rules, excluding those who do not wish to abide by those rules (perfectly consistent with freedom of association). At no point is any Libertarian principle violated, yet you look at the result, say "that's not real Libertarianism" and the world just moves on.

Lbertarianism is a meaningless ideology with no real state of affairs attached to it. It fails to introduce the necessary constraints to shape the world in any particular way.

>>519036306
Hes in the thread arguing against libertarianism.

Pol is jews and jews start threads like this on topics they need to debunk to bait in advocates and then they try to convince these advocates against their position

>>519036719
libertarinaism is for individuals.

The problem youre having is you have to frame ideals within "a government" framework

>>519035997
>>519036948
>if libertarianism changes to something else, then you say "look this isnt libertarian!" its like - yeah
We start from something you call "Libertarianism". Then everyone who disagrees with "Libertarians" (i.e. almost everyone) starts to form enclaves with their own additional rules, excluding those who do not wish to abide by those rules (perfectly consistent with freedom of association). At no point is any Libertarian principle violated, yet you look at the result, say "that's not real Libertarianism" and the world just moves on.

Lbertarianism is a meaningless ideology with no real state of affairs attached to it. It fails to introduce the necessary constraints to shape the world in any particular way.

>The problem youre having is
I'm not having any problem. You're having a problem; namely that the rules you want everyone to play by fail to manifest the state of affairs you desire.