Thread 519050338

(Advice: ignore all schizos)

How do we ensure whites colonise the asteroids as fast as possible while preventing the other races from doing it first?

>>519050338 (OP)
It's not possible Indians are making the rockets and coding the rockets for black astronauts to colonize the stars all paid for by Jews and old white men.

Whites are the only ones who'd actually want to. What we'd need to stop is shitskins immigrating to our colonies after we turn them into paradise.

>>519050511
have you seen how high niggers can jump these days?

>>519050338 (OP)
>How do we ensure whites colonize the asteroids as fast as possible while preventing other whites from bringing niggers along?

There, fixed your question for you. Whites already dominate the space race. I share your worries though.

>>519050338 (OP)
We fix the jewish problem

>>519050511
Yes because Canadian pigskins are the epitome of space travel

>>519050338 (OP)
>colonisation
It is right there and you still dont think anything is wrong with it. Maybe you should fix what is happening on earth first before you look to racist ideologies for future endeavors.

>>519050541
kek

>>519050511
China is already doing it and others might copy China

>>519050567
>>519050652
Ok well how do you do that?

>>519050338 (OP)
>pic
hnng, need to cooom

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>>519050338 (OP)
War.
We need to be in a constant state of global war where all assets and resources are dedicated towards a cause.
Under hard times the pressure produces great men which create extraordinary things.

>>519050831
Anglos took over a quarter of the world, and my ancestors turned the desolate new world into a world class civilization. Meanwhile your ancestors were eating cow shit and getting bossed around by my relatives.
>>519050969
During the Age of Discovery, China sent out a few ships to explore but stopped after a few years. It really isn't in their character to conquer and colonize, but even if it was, I wouldn't mind letting them have a few planets to themselves. Other races, meanwhile, don't have the character or the competence.

>>519050338 (OP)
its not doable and the technology is still too primitive for this.
the human body is also not made to survive the conditions of space.
interestingly humans cant survive without the earths magnetic field.

>>519050831
i'll have you know that we made the largest orbital masturbation machine ever constructed

>>519051022
stop posting this shitty spam fuckface

>>519050511
It’s going to be an 80-150 year journey on generation ships inside hollowed out comets to get to the next habitable star without succumbing to extreme cosmic radiation.

Ain't no one but white people got time for dat.

>>519051065
Nukes make wars a bit short

>>519051288
>Anglos took over a quarter of the world,
Mostly from whites
You got half of Canada and all of India from France with your big navy

Anglos are guilty of white genocide against Germans in Venezuela, against the Dutch in new Amsterdam, renamed New York Against the French in North America against Swedes in Africa
And against the Spanish whenever they clashed
The British empire has never had a regime change and look at it now. It always was an anti white conspiracy.


>>519051288
>It really isn't in their character to conquer and colonize,
China expands, very slowly but they only grow outwards
2000 years ago Han Chinese only lived around one river in China
Since then they conquered and ethnically cleansed/genocided over 40 different races and ethnicities
Though a lot of them especially in southern China are assimilated races speaking simplified mandarin

>but even if it was, I wouldn't mind letting them have a few planets to themselves.
I don’t dislike China either

But if they are so specific with their racism that they are willing to genocide Tibetans, mongols and jurchens, there is exactly 0 chance they wouldn’t genocide Europeans.
They genocide other East Asians who are 99.9% identical to the Chinese ffs

Nah whites will make faster than light colony ships and only put non-white colonists on the ships to prove how diverse and inclusive they are.

NASA already has a diversity, equity, and inclusion mission parameters, for artemis among others. The first person on mars must be an african american woman for example.

>>519051412
>its not doable and the technology is still too primitive for this.
False it’s entirely an industry and willingness issue
We just need one mostly self sustaining colony on the moon to start everything else, that would take tens of thousands of rockets but we can afford and build tens of thousands of rockets

>the human body is also not made to survive the conditions of space.
False, the only differences are 0 G and radiation
Radiation shielding exists and works perfectly
Spin gravity completely fixes 0 g issues as well

>interestingly humans cant survive without the earths magnetic field.
ESA has been working on superconducting magnetic shields against charged particles for missions to Mars the technology already exists

>>519052072
actually you are wrong and none of that is doable, the technology isnt there, the will isnt there and there is nothing out there in space that is in any ways economical sustainable.
its a pipe dream and whatever retards they send up there will probably croak a painful cancerous/radiation death.

>>519051557
>not ignoring the schizos
>ignoring the advice instead
I warned you...

>>519051661
>80-150 year journey on generation ships
Let’s say 15 light years in 150 years, that’s an average speed of 10% lightspeed or 30 thousand km per second, so 60 thousand km per second of delta V
Only achievable if your engine has an exhaust that goes to a speed similar to the speed of light
Delta V and engine exhaust velocity will always be similar so you would need around 60 thousand kilometers per second of exhaust velocity. Current rocket engines have 3 kilometers per second of exhaust velocity. Ion engines have 80. We need 60 thousand.

As for hollowed out comets, you wouldn’t pack useful mass, so if we were to build them out of comets we would still transform them into very refined materials
For instance if an asteroid is full of carbon rich tar we wouldn’t just leave it like that we would convert it into carbon nanotube armor

>>519051745
>NASA already has a diversity, equity, and inclusion mission parameters, for artemis among others.
They literally did the meme with a black guy and white woman as the next astronauts

>>519052264
>actually you are wrong and none of that is doable,
In sure you have a single fact to back that up

>the technology isnt there,
Yes spinning is very hard to achieve

>the will isnt there and there is nothing out there in space that is in any ways economical sustainable.
You have absurd notions
The economy is irrelevant only thermodynamics and chemistry matters
You don’t go to space to make US dollars you go to space to make spaceships and nuke earth from orbit

>its a pipe dream and whatever retards they send up there will probably croak a painful cancerous/radiation death.
All in a days work

>>519051716
>Mostly from whites
That only makes the British Empire more impressive. Also you're French, and the French Revolution is considered by many to be the beginning of the downfall of Western Civilization.
Although I will admit the Brits were too powerful for too long, leading to mass corruption and a lot of the problems that exist now.
>>519051716
The Chinese have never conquered foreign territory in the same way Europeans have. Once space colonization becomes feasible, they'll be late to join, giving Whites a massive edge.

>>519052072
>Radiation shielding exists and works perfectly
the only challenge is actually constructing a vehicle that can protect against the heavy cosmic particle radiation and any random solar flares. the latter is easy than the former.
>spin gravity completely fixes...
it might, but again its never been attempted beyond very simple cable tethers and that didn't really prove to be so easy.

i think its all doable. it just needs to real work done on it.

>>519052598
>In sure you have a single fact to back that up
nobody is doing it and all the space programs are scams to steal money from taxpayer cucks.
they couldnt even land on the moon and had to fake that too.
>Yes spinning is very hard to achieve
yes, a very complex machine that will probably require a lot of maintenance and supplys to work.
>The economy is irrelevant
its very relevant. without it you cant go to space or anywhere at all.
>You don’t go to space to make US dollars
if there is no incentive to do it nobody will.
>you go to space to make spaceships and nuke earth from orbit
that doesnt require manned missions to space, also nukes are a fake jewish propaganda weapon, its to scare boomers.
>All in a days work
also nobody wants to live in space, or do you really want to squat in a very tight space eating recycled jeet turds all day?

>>519052779
>i think its all doable.
its not doable at all, especially not on a scale that would make a difference.
like sure you probably can send a nigger to space, maybe one day they will even land a nigger for real on the moon but then what?
there is nothing up there, the nigger will just sit in the moonbase drinking his piss.
shits pointless.

>>519051136
if earth is flat, why can't we see street level? you realize that the larger the earth is, the further away the horizon is, tending towards flat at a radius of infinity.

>>519053033
Just because we don't currently have a major use for the moon doesn't mean we never will. Some hitherto unforeseen technological development may make it incredibly vital for some reason or other, eg. when we found a use for uranium ore or when we started to build underwater sonar stations.

>>519053317
everything you need you can get here on earth cheaper.

>>519053425
Everything we currently need or can currently foresee needing, yeah. Doesn't mean that will be the case for the entire rest of human history

>>519053588
we already know whats on the moon and its nothing of value.

>>519051682
The atmosphere has a pressure gradient that asymptomaticaly approaches 0 as you get farther from the surface. There is a detectable amount of incredibly diffuse atmoic hydrogen in the "vacuum" of space.

>>519052773
>That only makes the British Empire more impressive.
Jew money taken from all over Europe and poured into their best servant
7 coalition wars against Napoleon do you think they were financed from british taxes? From British GDP? Yet all the money came from Britain. But from those who controlled european finance and had by then all fled to Britain.

>>519052773
>The Chinese have never conquered foreign territory in the same way Europeans have
Please look up maps of China every century

They literally started as a small area and expanded and genocided their way until they reached their modern borders

>>519052779
>the only challenge is actually constructing a vehicle that can protect against the heavy cosmic particle radiation and any random solar flares. the latter is easy than the former.
Apparently cosmic rays are almost all stopped by the solar wind, and cosmic ray dose/rate goes down the more active the sun is

Either way shielding is mass, mass is cheaper with bigger ships (volume vs surface of a sphere relationship)
I don’t see it as a huge problem

Especially if we do it seriously/ on a large scale. It becomes a numbers problem. Even if it’s so bad that 10% of astronauts die of cancer it’s still only a 10% increase in cost, it wouldn’t be mission critical

And it would probably be nowhere near this bad

Hohman transfers to asteroids or Mars take like 6 months then arrived at your destinations you can go underground and minimize radiation exposure
But to do things quickly and efficiently it will likely be a case of you have to break some eggs to make an omelette and running things with less than perfect radiation protection, accepting the health effects and deaths

Space suits especially can’t really ever have heavy radiation shielding, you couldn’t move around or perform intense labor if you were encased in a sphere

>>519053588
Saudi Arabia was a worthless, barren wasteland until oil became useful and was discovered there.

>>519053823
>you can go underground
nobody wants to live in some underground bunker with a bunch of minorities eating their recycled feces.
there is nothing to do on mars.
for humans there is no reason to be there.

>>519052907
>all the space programs are scams to steal money from taxpayer cucks.
>they couldnt even land on the moon and had to fake that too.
Oh ok you’re full on schizo that makes more sense

>yes, a very complex machine that will probably require a lot of maintenance and supplys to work.
No you fuckwit literally just spinning works

You don’t need a hinge at all you can just tumble a ship and that will provide any gravity you want, no joint, no hinge, no bearing, just a solid rocket spinning like a stick, that’s enough to give you artificial gravity

Gonna heed my own advice now

>>519050338 (OP)
>(Advice: ignore all schizos)
ah, you mean this very thread then.
We don't live in a CGI fantasy world, we live in the real physical world.

>>519053926
we have plenty of oil here on earth.

>>519050338 (OP)
nigga why do you wanna colonize asteroids the plan should be to ship undesirables out of planet not the other way around

>>519051136
retard squad like clockwork

>>519053965
>Oh ok you’re full on schizo
you believe in the fake moon landings?
why?
the footage is not convincing and you can even see the wires above the actors, the footage has zero radiation damage, the shadows dont match etc.
and if they got away faking the moon missions they probably fake other missions too.
basically spend 10 million dollars for fake footage and pocket the leftover billions.
thats how jews work, you probably havent figured out how jews work so that would explain why you are so naive.
>literally just spinning works
still requires complex machinery to work.

>>519050338 (OP)
>reverse engineer covid virus (if existed)
>retarget it for nonwhites
>make it lethal instead nothing burger
>death camp rest of statistical non white survivors

>>519054119
the guy is very bluepilled on jews and doesnt understand how money works, he also believes that living in an underground bunker drinking recycled nigger piss is better than living here on earth.

>>519050338 (OP)
You are never ever leaving this enclosed plane alive you retarded golem. CGI is all you get in this life, which is more than you deserve anyway.

>>519051022
Nobody believes you, and even if they did it doesn't end jewish occupation of governments.

>>519054201
Well poisoning nonsense, you are low IQ and nothing you say is of value to anybody itt.

Get out of Germany, you don't belong in their country.

>>519053823
Are you mentally defective? You're not even really responding to me. I think Napoleon was based and the British were corrupt (obviously jews had their favorite in the conflict), but the French Revolution did introduce the cancer of liberalism to European civilization. And I never said that the Chinese haven't expanded, just not in the same way. Europeans took over the entire world in a few centuries, building empires that spanned land and sea. Meanwhile it takes China a century to take a hundred miles from their neighbor. If space colonization is the next big thing, China will join late, as evidenced by their past behavior, and if they join late, they won't end up being a massive threat.

>>519054537
your jewish butthurt post isnt really an argument you know.
fact is moon landings were fake, after they faked it they didnt even bother faking it again and the other space missions are mostly about stealing taxpayer money/plundering treasuries and as we know there is nothing up there in space that has any value for anyone.

>>519051745
It's a good thing the chinese will reach Mars first

>>519054119
>nigga why do you wanna colonize asteroids
Because of what you can do if you do

>>519054285
>the guy is very bluepilled on jews and doesnt understand how money works,
Money is irrelevant in space
Only life support, maintenance rate vs breakdown rate and excess production

>he also believes that living in an underground bunker drinking recycled nigger piss is better than living here on earth.
Yes

I don’t care about confort
You do
That’s fine we’re different

I will live in the trenches and drink the recycled piss for decades to triumph over my enemies

>>519053995
Nobody thought oil was useful until the 20th century. And the colonization of the new world brought tons of new resources such as tobacco, corn, potatoes, and tomatoes. I'm sure there's a thousand useful resources out in space waiting to be discovered.

>>519050338 (OP)
The other races cannot do it without whites helping them. China can't do it without copying everything from whites. The solution is to never help non whites in the first place.

>>519053033
i said that perfect rad protection and spin gravity are doable.

>>519053823
>Apparently cosmic rays are almost all stopped by the solar wind, and cosmic ray dose/rate goes down the more active the sun is
No, the heavy cosmic particles like iron atoms and up, the more dangerous ones, are not stopped by much at all. thankfully they are not the most common since flux decreases pretty linearly with mass and velocity. its the planned longer missions which might pose an issue anyway since its all about dosage time.
it is true that flux decreases during certain solar conditions, but those conditions are like the weather and change over time. again, its about the long missions.
>I don’t see it as a huge problem
its not necessarily and problem its just never been done so far. im not even sure if there are any plans to make such vehicles. mars trips will need something though.
>astro deaths
whats probably going to happen isnt that they'll get a deadly dose and die while on a few years mission. its the accrued exposure over that time which is going to mean failing health when they get back. you can get quite high doses in a short time, upto a 100 rads or so, and not even show symptoms for example.

>you couldn’t move around or perform intense labor if you were encased in a sphere
yeah, outside EVA is always going to be a problem and will need to be kept to a minimum amount of time actually out walking around. rovers can be made to protect and obvious where you sleep and work inside can be too. like you say, using the ground and soil to build thick roofing and stuff is probably going to be best.

>>519054201
blah blah the same old worthless memes over and over again.

>>519054889
There's nothing in space that we can't find on Earth and is much cheaper to extract. Space resources are only useful for space stuff, so we don't have to drag the stuff from Earth with us

>>519054886
>Money is irrelevant in space
people work for free? since when?
why should anyone construct a spaceship for a nigger to live in while getting nothing in return?
why would anyone invest into this?
do you know how a business work?
>I don’t care about confort
spoken like a true poorfag, on the other hands its actually a good idea.
we could sell this whole thing to the uneducated poorfag masses (like to you) and have them sign up to get a seat on the "spaceship", then we blast these retards in space where they die.
would be a good way of reducing the low IQ population.
I bet with propaganda we could lure billions into these fake ships who think they go to paradise kek.

>>519054668
>after they faked it they didnt even bother faking it again
They landed six times, would have been seven if Apollo 13 hadn't suffered an accident.

You are not a real German, get out of their country you unwelcomed foreigner.

>>519054889
everyone already knows how the periodic table works and what is out there.
everything we need we have here on earth already and digging it out here will always be cheaper than going to space.

>>519054980
>i said
yeah but you are a retard so who gives a shit what you say?
nobody. all you did was eat up decades of jewish propaganda that sell you stupid ideas that allow your jewish masters to steal more from you.
thats all that happened so far.
>blah blah the same old worthless memes over and over again.
I accept your concession.

>>519055253
Real Germans understand spaceflight and yearn for the stars.
You're some sort of unwanted transplant, an invader, nothing more. You will NEVER be German, GET OUT

>>519055217
what an amazing little vehicle that was. totally custom hand crafted, limited edition

>>519050338 (OP)div
Become the Asteromorphs from All Tonorrows and pursue total divergence and human Speciation from the rest of humanity, becoming perfectly adapted to conditions that would be fatal for a standard human.
That's an amount of effort and commitment that no other race would undertake in order to pursue gibs off-world.

>>519050338 (OP)
kys ballie

>>519050338 (OP)
We can't even colonize Antarctica where there's free air, water, and even some food.
Expeditions and research bases, sure. But never a self sustaining colony.

>>519055217
>They landed six times
I meant after all the fake apollo missions, after that they stopped with moon landing scams.
kinda interesting why didnt they fake it again in the 90s or early 2000s?
probably because they knew they couldnt do it as convincingly as they did back in the day.
>if Apollo 13 hadn't suffered an accident.
this was also fake and gay jew theater, they even made a Tom Hanks jew movie about it to sell you the fake through hollyjewwood.
so yes it was a big jewish scam and jews stole 20 billion dollars.

>>519054584
>but the French Revolution did introduce the cancer of liberalism to European civilization.
No it didn’t liberalism is a British ideology
John Locke etc
Ask Sargon of Akkad he knows all about "muh classical liberalism"

The French Revolution was about having one book of laws for everyone, returning to rome, and meritocracy, also strong dislike for the Catholic Church and the bankers

>And I never said that the Chinese haven't expanded, just not in the same way. Europeans took over the entire world in a few centuries, building empires that spanned land and sea. Meanwhile it takes China a century to take a hundred miles from their neighbor.
That european stuff isn’t expansion though it’s temporary influence

Canada and Australia are expansion
If not for the British empire there would be colonies of whites like this everywhere and the populations would be much higher
Ironically the USA became a superpower because it was the only option left for white people to go to
It also adopted the laws of the French Republic (bill of rights) and so was the only country with civil rights making it even more attractive
This lead to the USA having WAY more European migration than Canada or Brazil or Mexico, and thus turning into a superpower

But back to China, when you say expanded I assumed you mean expanded
As in permanent expansion with settlement
What Canada did (your eminority white and about to be erased now)
And China definitely did exactly that
Not across the sea but still
Actually technically they did, Taiwan was once 0% Chinese, 100% Polynesian/papua like people. Then the Chinese took over the island and massacred everyone. Expansion. That’s their smallest expansion, they took over 60% of mainland China. It wasn’t theirs originally.

So real expansion as in permanent settlement of your own people into new land like Russia and England did (and everyone else would have done too if not for *ngland) is definitely something China did

>>519055381
>Real Germans understand spaceflight
exactly, thats why I'm telling you its fake and gay.
its the 56% mutt people like you who dont understand shit, you just believe everything the jewish television tells you, its typical for you amerimutts.
apparently its circumcision and the race mixing that makes your people dumber and more gullible on average.

>>519055156
>>519055253
In space there are vast quantities of known useful resources and almost certainly undiscovered resources that could revolutionize our society. The only real issue is the practicality of acquiring them, but that will disappear as space travel becomes more advanced. In a thousand years, going across the galaxy is going to be like getting on a plane.

>>519055374
no, you misunderstand. its not that i say it an be done so there. its that you seemed to not be even replying to what i was talking about. you were waffling on about lots of general things while i was on about a few specific technologies.

anyway, we all know you're a flat earther and that everything you have to say is based on your desire to preach your cult beliefs. you are not rational. not to be taken seriously on anything you have to say. you have ruled yourself out of reasonable conversation.

This anon is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet its maker! This is a late anon! It's a stiff! Bereft of life! It rests in peace!

>>519054584
>If space colonization is the next big thing, China will join late, as evidenced by their past behavior, and if they join late, they won't end up being a massive threat.
Have you not been keeping up with the news?

The current Chinese governement wants space colonisation and america is responding to this with Artemis, the USA Is far behind China
And Europe is a wasteland USA puppet state fucked over by mentally ill Germans who ruin everything by and every effort, said efforts being mostly just the French as usual, ESA use to be entirely French until the germans via the EU ordered the French governement to split the work into all EU member states which just made the production way less efficient and slower than when France did all the work

These days they’re busy trying to sabotage French nuclear or steal dassault after stealing airbus from France
Filthy useless parasites I hate Germans, France just exists and does cool stuff, germany just steals and seethes and sabotages, they produce nothing

>>519055690
>The only real issue is the practicality of acquiring them
everything we need we can get cheaper here on earth.
it will never be economical viable to dig shit up on mars and ship it to earth when you can get the same shit from china in higher quanitity, lower price and faster.

>>519050338 (OP)
We just have to be White, and it'll happen.
>>519050457
No.

>>519055708
>we all know you're a flat earther
I'm not a flat earther.
the earth doesnt have to be flat for space to be a hostile space with distances that are too large to comprehend and no economical benefit.

>>519055741
>Filthy useless parasites I hate Germans, France just exists and does cool stuff, germany just steals and seethes and sabotages, they produce nothing
Okay, bro, you're just a seething Frenchie.

>>519050831
and indian shitskins are?

>>519054889
>>519055156
>>519055690
You guys have completely misunderstood everything and don’t understand the stakes at all

It makes no economic sense to bring spa ce resources back to earth
none
That would be pure economic waste
The cost of bringing something from the earths surface to let’s say the moon orbit is insanely high

Unless you’re talking about very minute rare elements like rare earths, osmium, platinum, idk, it makes 0 sense to mine in space and bring it to earth

That’s not why you colonise space. You colonise space because it’s much cheaper to build a rocket ship on the moon or asteroids than on earth.
In fact
It’s much easier to produce a warship
Or missiles

And now you understand what it’s actually about
World domination, not dumping gold from space like retards

>>519055899
why not do it the other way?

>tell low IQ brown retards they get to live in some paradise on mars
>show them AI generated footage of cool life on mars
>low IQ retard browns board the ship in exchange giving up everything they own
>just fly the brown subhumans into space where they croak

its a 10/10 plan actually.

>>519055812
We live in a world where they grow pears in Argentina, package them in Thailand, and then sell them in America. If space travel becomes cheap, then it'd make sense to go there to get resources that are very scarce on Earth, and it'd especially make sense to get things that could only be found in space.

>>519055998
>The cost of bringing something from the earths surface to let’s say the moon orbit is insanely high
Right now.
>Unless you’re talking about very minute rare elements like rare earths, osmium, platinum
So you admit there's at least some utility to the idea?
>And now you understand what it’s actually about World domination
That's why Trump made the Space Force. I get what you mean, and I think you're right, but we're specifically talking about colonization here, not warfare.

>>519050338 (OP)
To even achieve this(colonizing space) we would need to live in a mostly* post-scarcity world. Maybe not under a one world government, but it would help to make humanity hit it's greatest peaks.

>>519054980
>No, the heavy cosmic particles like iron atoms and up, the more dangerous ones, are not stopped by much at all.
I don’t know the precise science of cosmic radiation it’s not exactly a very useful topic
But wouldn’t iron or heavier be stopped by a kinetic shield like idk tungsten?
Would fast moving iron nuclei just phase through a steel plate? Or would they hit another iron atom near the surface? If so just have a thin tungsten layer, yes it’s dense but it’s not that heavy if it’s thin, tungsten alloys are under explored but I’m sure some would have good mechanical properties

>whats probably going to happen isnt that they'll get a deadly dose and die while on a few years mission. its the accrued exposure over that time which is going to mean failing health when they get back. you can get quite high doses in a short time, upto a 100 rads or so, and not even show symptoms for example.
Getting back? I’m not talking my about anyone getting back I am talking about people working and dying in space on an industrial scale for world domination I think something got lost in translation here
The transfer vehicles from a big asteroid to earth would be an extreme constant cost, the Dv between an asteroid and earth is not small, they are beyond the orbit of Mars, usually inclined too

>EVA
Exposure time and work done have a linear relationship, as far as I know radiation all at once or over time has fairly similar effects, so beyond cell damage and the hours it takes to replace dead cells, working in shifts wouldn’t make a big difference, when the goal remains to stay in space working in a high radiation environment for a long time
Like if you have a project that needs 100 thousand manhours to complete, the radiation dose will be about the same no matter what you do

>>519050338 (OP)
The asteroids? Lol... Yeah my next home will be a driving car at the Autobahn too. I just jump right into a driving car. It's to efficient and logical..somehow... Who cares about a steady location and same day/night cycles

>>519056194
>then it'd make sense to go there to get resources that are very scarce on Earth
even assuming this would be economical viable, they probably wouldnt do this by sending in retarded niggers to dig it out, they would send robots and drones to do the work.
so again, people arent needed in space. no space colonisation needed.

>>519050338 (OP)
>How do we ensure whites colonise the asteroids as fast as possible while preventing the other races from doing it first?
We will not be able to
Sure, there will be some enterprising white to head out first, but then the jews will come by and do it at cutthroat rates
and they'll send out cheap and unqualified, and frankly dangerous, whoever passes the bare minimum
and that's how space will be brown and black

>>519056564
>people dying in space
this is actually the only good usecase for going to space so far.
see >>519056070
imagine selling everything you have here on earth for the rare opportunity to go to a fake paradise but then you just die up there.
the rest on earth would profit a lot from this.

>>519056667
the stakes are too high to send jeets and niggers to space to do "work". these low IQ tards would just fuck it up.
so what they would do is they would just automate the whole process and have some AI controlled drones dig up resources that send it back.

>>519055554
>We can't even colonize Antarctica where there's free air, water, and even some food.
We could if we wanted
But there’s nothing to gain

If we find oil in Antarctica I guarantee you a lot of people would be working there

Space mining is different, that has an end goal it allows you to reach
Anything between expanding between stars to conquering the earth by nuking it from orbit

>>519055958
It’s literally true look it up

France created Arianne space, airbus, EDF, germans have then attacked and sabotaged to destroy all of them
Research the history of each of them
Germans even tried and failed to get nuclear power(post war), as in their scientists were not good enough, political side in germany wanted nuclear

Germany also funded a desinfo campaign in France and funded our Green Party in attempts to make French public turn away from nuclear energy solely to sabotage our electricity costs to make our industry less competitive

You have no idea how insane and wicked germans are you don’t live near them, we do, the stuff they actually do sounds like cartoon villain plots

Remember the Mexico telegram in WW1?

>>519056960
>If we find oil in Antarctica
actually antarctica is full with resources, has oil, gas and massive amounts of coal + other untapped resources.

>>519056960
Imagine living in a country full of niggers and you somehow think your biggest problem is Germans.

>>519056588
It's brutal how all the based Germans died in World War II. But anyway, from a purely economic perspective, having robots do everything makes the most sense, but you'd still at the bare minimum need some humans to manage everything. However, colonizing the universe for the sake of it is just as important as any economic value we can extract.

>>519056482
>Right now.
The only thing that would change that is an engine technology with high exhaust velocity yet enough thrust to overcome earths gravity

So several G of acceleration for the engine itself (the full rocket needs like 1.5G), with let’s say 20 kilometers per second or more of exhaust velocity (Isp of 2000)

The only engine technology that could do that would be molten core fission reactors which are insane and probably wouldn’t work in a gravity field, they literally have molten uranium metal in a full core meltdown. The reason is they need to heat up H2 so hot it fractures into H1 which doubles the exhaust velocity of the engine. All known compounds of uranium melt before this happens.

Things like beaming power from ground stations with microwaves and an air breathing engine might work
Space elevators don’t work forget it not even the basic theory is correct let alone the material strength issue and the not breaking or dissolving in the atmosphere issues

>So you admit there's at least some utility to the idea?
Actually no lol
It’s just that for such small scale operations; I can about excuse it and allow it, because it wouldn’t be probibitedly expensive to launch it all back into space layer kek
Stuff in space being inherently more valuable than stuff on earth (gravity well)
Humans can live anywhere with habitats, so things don’t have to be on earth, earth merely makes economic growth easier because there is no need for life support but fundamentally most useful things that are done on earth can be done elsewhere, the entire service sector, R&D, software development, research
Things like industry then have other configurations like Dv and material cost and time of getting the resources + time of transfer to the final delivery place
But here once again space is very convenient.

>>519050338 (OP)
>Let's start this multi decades, generational, exploration and colonisation process.

Yeah nope, this doesn't help your greedy politicians getting elected and reelected in our short terms democratic system.

>>519055927
i dont believe you, and exploration doesn't have to be only about making money. pure research is its own point sometimes.

>>519056564
>it’s not exactly a very useful topic
what? when it comes to longer duration space flight its THE topic. The solar CME radiation can be handled quite well using emergency hardened 'life boats' and they pass quite quickly. the chances of one aiming right at you is also low. Its the constant cosmic radiation which poses the challenge to manned space flight and living on planets like mars and the moon. And no, the heavy particles are moving near the speed of light. several feet of water seems to be the best we can do at the moment. im not sure what kind of designs are planned for the mars flights.

>>519057532
>but you'd still at the bare minimum need some humans to manage everything.
no it would have to be fully automated.
>colonizing the universe
is literally impossible, the distances are too large to overcome.
and time is running out fast.

>>519050338 (OP)
>He thinks space is real
should we tell him?

>>519050831
Canadians invented AI you dumb fucking shitskin.

>>519057567
>and exploration doesn't have to be only about making money
its always about making money.
>pure research is its own point sometimes.
can all be done remotely with drones and robots. no humans needed in space.

>>519057543
>>519057615

>>519057680
Actually it was god when he made demons. next

>>519057761
space is about a million times more difficult than making a plane.
apparently this is hard to comprehend for someone like you with an indian background.

>>519056482
>>And now you understand what it’s actually about World domination
>That's why Trump made the Space Force. I get what you mean, and I think you're right, but we're specifically talking about colonization here, not warfare.

Colonisation is a necessary pre requisit for warfare and to me serves as its main justification.

What are the things space colonisation allows?

>being in space jacking off dojng nothing or low usefulness activities (big whoop, that argument is the insanity from the 60s about sending the overpopulation in O’Neil cylinders, pure mental illness)
>industry and everything industry can provide
>satellite spam to observe distant stars and hopefully spot aliens before they spot us
>building warships to either dominate space or dominate earth
>building colony ships for the solar systems
>building colony ships for other stars
>data centers in space

Out of these the military, observation (advanced early warning) and interstellar expansion are the most beneficial goals long term

Again there is not much use in merely living somewhere, you could live in space stations anywhere not even near a celestial object if you had 100% efficient recycling
Just big O’Neil cylinders floating around in interplanetary space between the orbits of earth and Venus for instance
That’s useless
That’s not why you do it

You do it for industrial production of practical strategic assets that allow you greater power and more options

https://youtu.be/WjNssEVlB6M
VGH. . .

>>519056578
>Who cares about a steady location and same day/night cycles
I don’t

Again the goal is strategic objectives not the confort or arbitrary preferences in living conditions of the workers

>>519057216
>Imagine living in a country full of niggers and you somehow think your biggest problem is Germans.
Fucking Merkel put the niggers there! Try to keep up, the EU's borders have been opened to Africa by the German government

Or have you been missing all the articles abo it threats and sanctions to Poland, Greece, Turkey etc BY THE GERMANS for refusing to take in migrants??
I’m sorry you seem aware of some very critical information but I’m not the one delusional in this, by blame isn’t misplaced, germans factually are constantly doing attempts at economic sabotage and factually are behind Europe’s mass migration and great replacement

>>519057548
Yeah democracy is an abomination especially this concept of short term + term limit idiocracy

Built-in inability to stay the course or build things across decades

>>519057856
Hopefully Hitler 2 shows up soon and gasses you and your kind.
>>519058240
>Fucking Merkel put the niggers there!
The real Germans were the ones who tried to stop all that.

You have never seen the curvature.

>>519050338 (OP)
Sabotage of competing space programs, and deployment of orbital ASATs to intercept all non-authorized extra-atmospheric transients.

>>519050511
You mean germans

Angloids are intellectual thieves, deceivers and sexual degenerates no better than jews, who would rather let the world burn than see others prosper
Neck yourself anglocanadian rat
You will never escape this hellhole that once was a beautiful planet but was turned to shit with your cooperation
You will wallow in the shit of jeets and chinks before it takes down your precious angloid world and drowns you

>>519050457
They're not going anywhere. Even if the indian design, programming and maintenance doesn't blow it up somewhere between the factory and the orbit, the nigger crew is guaranteed to fuck it up as soon as they're given manual control. And should they still somehow manage to stay alive all the way to their destination, the indian-coded automatic landing program is certain to crash the vessel. At best you'll have partially intact nigger corpses on other planetary bodies.
Without whites or east asians it's just not going to happen

>>519050338 (OP)
we cant even colonize the arctic or sea nvm space. its just a money laundering scheme

>>519050511
Won't happen. Libshits/jews/christcucks will immediately lobby for orcs to be imported for ~*feelings*~ reasons, even if the colony ships are 100% White and the colony is 100% White and all of the technology and expertise, blood, sweat, and tears, all came from Whites. White people are not allowed to have anything that is solely their own, according to their worldview.

And then you'd get to live with various Neo-Tyrones shooting holes into your hull and doing stick-ups on the guys who keep the air clean.

Why do you believe what the people who hate you and want you dead tell you about lights in the sky?

>>519058546
>we cant even colonize the arctic or sea
We can, there's just no reason to. There's a 24/7 arctic base at the South Pole. We overcame that obstacle a while ago. But what are you going to do in the arctic? Look at ice? At least space has resources.

>>519052907
>nobody wants to live in space
I would do it to place Hitler as the new ascended god of a new world. Imagine a place with no kikes, niggers, or jeets, with Great Adolf's kindly gaze staring across the Aryan paradise from his home upon Olympus Mons.

>>519057567
>what? when it comes to longer duration space flight its THE topic.
Because it seems like a fairly small topic
You have all these types of radiation and all these types of radiation shielding
You have doses of radiation and effectiveness of shielding against each radiation
Once that’s thoroughly mapped out and logged in datasheets it just becomes a matter of slapping the quantity of the most efficient material you can afford on the outside of your ship and making decisions in trade off between radiation exposure and dry mass added
>The solar CME radiation can be handled quite well using emergency hardened 'life boats' and they pass quite quickly.
Or just being at the far end of a long ship aimed at the sun
They ought to work too

>the chances of one aiming right at you is also low. Its the constant cosmic radiation which poses the challenge to manned space flight and living on planets like mars and the moon.
Is it actually an issue? I have different standards than most people, to me it’s not an issue if it increases cancer risks beyond OSHA regulation, to me "if 85% of people survive the trip that’s fine"
Just to clarify the way I use language in this context

>And no, the heavy particles are moving near the speed of light.
wtf threw iron that fast

>>519057731
how much money do the research bases on antarctica make? how much do people make climbing everest or the many other ascents that regularly kill climbers? the ISS doesn't make money. ive done several lengthy expeditions and it wasnt to make money.

>>519057567
>several feet of water seems to be the best we can do at the moment. im not sure what kind of designs are planned for the mars flights.
Again wouldn’t iron atoms just bounce off something like tungsten?

Iron has like a molar mass of 8 tungsten is like 18 or something (or is it 16 and 36? Either way the ratio is about right)
So just from billard balls mechanics the tungsten atoms would be punched in and move slowly while the iron atom is bounced back quite fast
Then the tungsten atom would slam into other tungsten atoms rapidly transforming atomic momentum into random thermal heat

My question is how many layers would it go through? Would going faster make a big difference in atomic interactions? I don’t know high energy particle collision science either

Either speed matters little either speed matters due to less interaction time (probable) but I would expect forces to ride exponentially as particles get closer to each other and in a tightly packed tungsten crystal I would expect there not to be much room or just point trajectories (what % of pixels in a 2D map would allow an iron atom to go through), I feel like maybe half a millimeter or maybe less of tungsten would be enough? Maybe I’m completely wrong

Also why water? Isn’t that just because it’s cheap on earth? Would 1 ton of tungsten metal not do the same as 1 ton of water? Or even better since the heavier nuclei can bounce more easily and heat up less from impact

>>519055927
>and no economical benefit.
Absolute retard take. One metal-rich asteroid has triple-digit trillions in accessible metals.

>>519058679
we have no overcame there because there are no huge civilizations and it should be the sdtepping stones to mastering inhospitable areas because if we can master them, what hope do we have in space. plus datacenters and super computer that require a ridiculous ammount of cooling can be run in these areas

Have you ever done your own research into this stuff? No, you haven't.

>>519058742
>Because it seems like a fairly small topic
maybe you should look at the real problems facing long manned space flight, because cosmic particle radiation is the main thing after the long term effects of zero gravity. it is the radiation problem.

>wtf threw iron that fast
exploding super novae for the most part.

look, i get where you're coming from and its not really what im on about. theres a lot of work to do for manned mars missions and i dont try to imagine much beyond that right now. its all gets too pie in the sky for me.

>>519058100
https://youtube.com/watch?v=yYZst0Bj7FA

>>519058383
>The real Germans were the ones who tried to stop all that.
Would sure like to see where those real Germans are I haven’t seen many that match your description
If you’re talking about the Nazis they still had this same german approach of trying to steal from other Europeans and weaken them while producing very little themselves
Not only are they uncooperative they also actively try to weaken other Europeans
Even the nazis refused almost all alliances and refused to exchange technology with their allies, for instance Italy had better planes but worse plane engines, the axis could have had an overpowered fighter with the Italian shell and the German engine but Germans shut that down. And later they invaded Italy too, leave no stone unturned I guess lol. In all occupied countries they did nothing but pillage
Those are your good germans I assume

>>519050338 (OP)
It won't happen
Suicidal empathy will make Whites sacrifice space to save the browns

>>519050338 (OP)
It doesn't matter where we go. We could blast off and niggers would follow and guilt trip us about not wanting to be around them until they came aboard and stole something.

>>519054178
The retard squad is the shills on here and their constant government propaganda, like "space" and "the globe earth". That is the very propaganda, a universe in your mind, the matrix, where they have absolute control over your perception of reality. None of which has anything to do with actual real world physics.

Pic related is the dimensions of their supposed global solar system disk whirling through the supposed random vacuum void of space.

>>519058387
>and deployment of orbital ASATs to intercept all non-authorized extra-atmospheric transients.
That would spam orbital debris very quickly to unmanageable levels

If you’re willing to literally shoot missiles might as well blow up the rocket construction facilities and launch pads, at least it won’t create hundreds of thousands of hypersonic pieces of shrapnel that stay there for several thousand years >>519058512
>Even if the indian design, programming and maintenance doesn't blow it up somewhere between the factory and the orbit, the nigger crew is guaranteed to fuck it up as soon as they're given manual control.
I don’t know if you know this but INDIA LOST A GIANT NUCLEAR SUBMARINE WITH ALL HANDS BECAUSE THEY FORGOT TO CLOSE THE HATCH WHILE DIVING
Comedy

>And should they still somehow manage to stay alive all the way to their destination, the indian-coded automatic landing program is certain to crash the vessel. At best you'll have partially intact nigger corpses on other planetary bodies.
The issue with software is that it can be reverse engineered or copy and pasted and doesn’t need upgrades
Given sufficient time you can expect everyone to have tip top software for everything

>Without whites or east asians it's just not going to happen
Their abilities especially per capita are much lower but I wouldn’t assume they are exactly zero

Just a very low factor but with billions of them they may be competitive with a small European or East Asian nation like Australia

>>519058546
This >>519058679

With asteroids there are reasons to go there, many useful things (listed in another post) can only be done through space mining

>>519050338 (OP)
No such thing micrometeorites arw fkae hegela8ns are jews thats hegkian fake method real europeans say european can roman csrholic lionhearts system longshanks phillip the fair and the hapsburg 17000 years in irish monarchy

>>519050338 (OP)
>How do we ensure whites colonise the asteroids as fast as possible while preventing the other races from doing it first?
Spend all of our research money on time travel instead.

Feels like a pipedream to me. The elites are never going to let plebeians enter heaven; their "throne."

These occultists in power obviously consider it sacred. That's why the narrative is a joke on you.

>>519050338 (OP)
Some homosexual midget jew rule over you using brownoids as a police force. Asteroids is the last of your concern.

>>519050338 (OP)
get the fuck out of Elon's way

>>519059395
>>519059395
>Even the nazis refused almost all alliances
It was other way around. They reached out to Poland and the UK with reasonable offers and were rejected.
>Italy had better planes but worse plane engines, the axis could have had an overpowered fighter with the Italian shell and the German engine but Germans shut that down.
A pretty massive oversimplification. You can argue it would've been better to do that, but it just wasn't that practical of an idea.
>later they invaded Italy too
You mean after Italy collapsed? At that point it was just a necessity.
Also, Hitler predicted the current state of France.

>>519058897
He also forgets that most world changing workforces weren’t money seeking
Between the soldiers of great leaders and prophets to the members of secret societies

Of course soldiers get paid but when you have fanatics, who are the best soldiers, they only care about having a full belly not retirement benefits
As such for the leaders of such an army, food procurement is the issue not money, and it becomes a logistics and resource problem as it should be, not a ooga booga finance problem

In space it’s the same
I wouldn’t consider doing it with anything short or fanatics, or people thoroughly manipulated as useful idiots
Because things like return trips and nice conditions would make the cost exponentially rise in space with the rocket equation, so the need to go, and only those who can do without can be used, those who care about confort are inferior and can’t handle the conditions necessary for success

It wasn’t the Americans and their ice cream boats that won Vietnam it was the people digging mud with their fingernails

>>519050338 (OP)
Rawto west and big lies.org thats a gake chi sruoid lying ass mongel soace is not real the issue is not real it does not last in imagaonry fake space 1 million ice rock and meteorite shards skipping all over you ilagoanry ball earth atmos for 2 5ths of a second not your life the universe os. It a ball or solar system thingy stupid thats judeo freemapsnic woth salespeople ypubare not allowed to lie adm fake fake moon rocks kicked the fucking hell out museum yelstin admitted the earth you enron solendrya worldcom satellite hoax thats a mwrdist thats not leftist like hitler and mussolini centrism legitimacy and no onions and agent networks of judoe freemaosnry bir the dam. Textbooks communist zog cog stop spamming jeowsh ahit eat fkae as news media they sre satanist infidels devils Poland is not big enough for this shit bridge unoveristy physics debunked this shit phil holland 1990s

>>519059768
and as i said in my response, it should be used as a stepping stone towards going to space and if we cant even do that, then what hope do we even have to get there. also super computers, data centers and many different automated factories can use the cold yet resources are being poured in while nothing has really been acheieved in almost 30 years because theyre not doing shit, its just money laundering

>>519052674
This is actually true. I read the new testament at 45 years of being a stubborn agnostic and holy fuck they really killed their own messiah because he told the jews to stop being so fucking jewish

>>519059146
>maybe you should look at the real problems facing long manned space flight, because cosmic particle radiation is the main thing after the long term effects of zero gravity. it is the radiation problem.
Those are health effects and I was under the impression that neither was remotely bad enough as to be deadly within a time span of years
I’m worried about acute radiation poisoning, I would even deem cancers as acceptable, again I have different standards

>>wtf threw iron that fast
>exploding super novae for the most part.
I was assuming the jets of neutron stars and black holes (which are themselves most likely neutron stars not single point singularities)

>look, i get where you're coming from and its not really what im on about. theres a lot of work to do for manned mars missions and i dont try to imagine much beyond that right now. its all gets too pie in the sky for me.
Mars is useless but asteroids are useful and basically the same as a Mars mission, only worse
Mars is useless because the gravity well is bigger while it offers no advantage, there is no atom or easy to refine substance on Mars you couldn’t get elsewhere
Volatiles are in the asteroids
Rocks are on the moon and in the asteroids
Mars just increases launch cost to orbit and gravity well capture and exit costs
The obsession with Mars is very much so so.y pop science redditard nonsense, we can basically pretend the planet isn’t there like with Venus

>>519060427
you christ cucks should run along and be retarded somewhere else. youre practically niggers at this point

>>519058240
>Again the goal is strategic objectives
Which is to drift off into the deep space after the asteroid left the solar system or what?
Enlighten me. Please! Enlighten me and all the others how a colony of humans on a asteroid can 1. Ensure people won't die 2. Drift off 3.wont crash (in billion of years or just one million) into another asteroid, planets, moons etc. Not even talking about the Oort Cloud surrounding the solar system which could fuck up the asteroid. 4. A source for oxygen and a power source (which is unstable when not in a steady orbit regarding the sun or being able to produce enough energy due to chemical reactions - > nothing an asteroid offers you). Forget it. Take a planet and we can talk.

>>519057163
>actually antarctica is full with resources, has oil, gas
Haven’t researched it but if that’s true it just means it will indeed be settled and exploited
(Well, "settled", the crews of oil rigs) once it becomes the easiest oil to get after the other deposits run dry

>>519059413
Whites are not a monolithic species there are different sub breed
We just have to ensure the right breeds increase in number and power and safety over time
Said another way, increase the number of chuds and how much power they hold

>>519059862
We would if it had any indication it was possible

>>519059917
>Asteroids is the last of your concern.
Technically false, it’s a far fetched strategy but a working one

>>519060183
Predicted or self fulfilling prophecy after the Germans opened wide Europe’s borders

Again don’t act like the dozens/hundreds of instances where german politicians threatened sanctions on European nations that refused migrants haven’t happened

>>519059161
Electronic music is white...

>>519060565
>The obsession with Mars is very much so so.y pop science redditard nonsense,
i really dont agree. its a perfect reason to develop everything needed for the kind of thing you're talking about while inspiring exploration and research. people aren't going to live in space mining asteroids for decades any time soon anon. thats the scifi stuff if you ask me.

>>519060363
>and as i said in my response,
Hadn’t seen it
>>519058979
>it should be used as a stepping stone towards going to space and if we cant even do that, then what hope do we even have to get there. also super computers, data centers and many different automated factories can use the cold yet resources are being poured in while nothing has really been acheieved in almost 30 years because theyre not doing shit, its just money laundering

Cold is hardly a resource compared to electricity and there are not many renewable sources of electricity at the poles
They are cold for a reason
Iceland had geothermal and cold and some want to use it for data centers idk if it’s been done yet
If it hasn’t it shows that these factors are less relevant than others


As for it being a stepping stone that’s kinda dumb
Yes it’s somewhat similars in a few ways but you get experience about living in space much faster by living in space than by being in Antarctica

Also we kinda have mastered living in Antarctica there are permanent high tech based there

We don’t mine rocks or iron in Antarctica but it would be identical to everywhere else on earth, not much to learn

Things like the ISS, a moon base with mining facilities would be much better at gaining experience

>>519060678
>Enlighten me. Please! Enlighten me
https://youtube.com/watch?v=aCbfMkh940Q

>a million years
The time scale is decade
They exist to be mined not to be lived on

>>519058385
Wrong

>>519061278
>Things like the ISS, a moon base with mining facilities would be much better at gaining experience
agreed. theres 25 years of ISS experience already and it works well. i liked the Lunar Gateway idea but i think its not going to happen, but a mars or lunar orbiting station with a base where they can try out new techniques and just learn about how humans can live in a new place is definitely the way to go. like any research project its going to need constant outside support for a long time but thats just how its done. there just isnt a shortcut to creating even somewhat self supporting stations.

>>519061008
That song in particular feels very niggerlicious idk maybe it’s just me

He would say it’s "rythmic not melodic" plus the sonority is very reminiscent of African tam tams and chants

The video gives me vibes of civilisation with their African music, showing how we started with nigger monkey ancestors millions of years ago yet across Millenia achieved a lot
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IJiHDmyhE1Am

Not hating on your video it’s neat but just thought it was funny, the music reminded me of lesquen

>>519060968
>Germany fights a war to explicitly avoid X
>Germany loses
>X happens
>"This is Germany's fault!"

>>519058383
>and gasses you and your kind.
holohoax was fake and gay too, like the fake moon landings.

>>519058722
you are one of the retards who would easily fall for the depopulation see >>519056070

>>519058897
>how much money do the research bases on antarctica make?
>the ISS doesn't make money.
none, these are useless moneypit but the politicians arent spending their money, they spend yours.
most of it is stolen and ends in the pockets of jews.
>how much do people make climbing everest
there is an entire industry selling retards the ascend to the peak.

>>519058953
>One metal-rich asteroid has triple-digit trillions in accessible metals.
too expensive to mine asteroids, much cheaper to just buy it from china.

whether space is fake or not i have spent my life ignoring that it exists and have been better for it

>>519060775
>it will indeed be settled and exploited
they probably already exploit it secretly, why do you think there is a Rockefeller mountain range and a Rothschild island there?

>>519050338 (OP)
Without fusion and then antimatter reaction we're not going anywhere. Building chemically-fueled spaceships is a waste of time unless it's to build an orbital tether. You're not gonna go to other planets with gravity slingshots or chemical rockets. You need ion propulsion to get there and you either need to generate a strong magnetic field around the ship to deflect radiation or you need something wild like a massive radiation shield behind the ship or a hull b lined with a radiosynthetic organism like cladosporium sphaerospermum.

>>519061055
>i really dont agree. its a perfect reason to develop everything needed for the kind of thing you're talking about while inspiring exploration and research.
Yeah the popular support and the normie retard appeal has its merits

But considering the kind of ideas I’m toying around it would be a self financed operation nearly entirely detached from wider human society

I am kind of a fatidist, I believe that some things are the norm because of how people are on a generic level and that this won’t change on an acceptable timescale unless major disturbances and changes to the demography happen

As in, the vast majority are sub sapient apes, they just exist to toil and pay taxes, they don’t care about the expansion or future of humanity and never will, they’re basically not even human themselves
So any attempt through propaganda to lull them and convince them would be fighting against their nature, and tremendous expense to "les amadouer" could be spent for extremely small returns
exempli gratia your Mars colony idea would consist of diverting unacceptable amounts of resources to do thing inefficiently just in the hopes that it might increase the masses's support for space which in fine would amount to nothing more than a few two digit percents above what it sits at currently. The cost reward of diverting resources vs increased funding is a huge net loss.

So it is much wiser to create a plan that does not require popular support at all to function, it would just be a bonus but nothing is planned around it.

>people aren't going to live in space mining asteroids for decades any time soon anon. thats the scifi stuff if you ask me.
Mars is literally harder than the moon or asteroids. There is no oxygen on Mars. There is no air either it’s vacuum pressure. There is no water ice, but there are entire asteroids made of water ice and carbon
Mars has gravity and that’s a bad thing, not a good thing

>>519062088
oh come on, is that the best you can do? you realize that people pay to climb everest? nobody is saying that it doesn't cost anything to explore and stuff...but the point is that people doing it spend money and accept the risks. they dont make any money. the first people going up there didnt make money except from a book deal or something

>>519062337
you can explore space without sending some retard up there.
drones and robots do the exploring.
there is zero benefit in sending a human instead.
and thats why it will never happen.

>>519061703
>agreed. theres 25 years of ISS experience already and it works well.
I’m annoyed that they want to deorbit it

I might stop that, idk, if I have the time I’ll save the ISS

> i liked the Lunar Gateway idea but i think its not going to happen,
It seems to make no sense to me delta V wise it doesn’t do anything or have any benefit really
Having a fuel depot is nice sure but it’s not cheaper if your fuel wasn’t sourced in space
The moon only contains oxygen so you will need to go to asteroids if you want a full fuel mix including hydrogen or hydrocarbons

>but a mars or lunar orbiting station with a base where they can try out new techniques and just learn about how humans can live in a new place is definitely the way to go.
Yes
My take on it would be with added urgency and a clear goal to transition into large scale heavy industry
Like a factorio speedrun in terms of vibe

>like any research project its going to need constant outside support for a long time but thats just how its done.
Ehhh... I kinda am skeptical of this because I doubt that it can even be done through this approach and source of funding
Alternative approaches are convincing powerful decision makers or altering culture of governement branches or just have a secret society acquire the means to do the program

>there just isnt a shortcut to creating even somewhat self supporting stations.
Tens of thousands of rockets you need government levels of budget in all cases yes

But for instance just a very simple permutation would be to just convince rulers of the plan and ignore the masses completely
The masses have no impact for most governement decisions so space expansion should be forced into that category

>>519061844
>>Germany fights a war to explicitly avoid X
That’s completely false they wanted to live like kings through the exploitation of all enslaved Europeans + get Eastern European lebensrqaum

It’s what they did and why they did it


>>"This is Germany's fault!"
Indeed
Again stop pretending the part about german politicians opening Europe’s borders and coercing other European leaders into accepting infinity Africans doesn’t exist

>>519062739
>But for instance just a very simple permutation would be to just convince rulers of the plan and ignore the masses completely
I already emailed this post >>519056070 to Bill Gates and Bezos
hopefully they will convince enough useless eater retards to kill themselves to solve the overpopulation problem.

>>519062305
>So it is much wiser to create a plan that does not require popular support at all to function, it would just be a bonus but nothing is planned around it.
thats kind of what spacex is trying to do. thats why starlink is designed to fund the mars program. i know theyve had contracts from NASA to work on part of their moon program, but that just happens to also coincide with their own program too. its a win win.
>There is no air either it’s vacuum pressure.
not quite, but asteroids certainly will be
>There is no water ice,
they reckon the poles do have that
>Mars has gravity and that’s a bad thing, not a good thing
not for humans at the moment its not a bad thing. there just isn't the technology to let us live in zero G for years on end and not be ruined by it.

anyway, im going to finish this conversation right now. its really not something that strikes me as even half way reasonable or realistically doable. its a long long way in the future and ive read about it in scifi books, because thats what it would need. manned landings on mars can be done with pretty much what we have now provided teh programs aiming for it can stay the course.

>>519062542
it has happened and its sad you cant see the difference.

>>519050338 (OP)
>(Advice: ignore all schizos)
OP is literally a schizo
They can't get past LEO

>>519062303
>Without fusion and then antimatter reaction we're not going anywhere. Building chemically-fueled spaceships is a waste of time unless it's to build an orbital tether. You're not gonna go to other planets with gravity slingshots or chemical rockets. You need ion propulsion to get there and you either need to generate a strong magnetic field around the ship to deflect radiation or you need something wild like a massive radiation shield behind the ship or a hull b lined with a radiosynthetic organism like cladosporium sphaerospermum.
Ion engines are already sufficient

Earth orbits at like 30 kilometers per second, ion engines have exhaust velocities between 50 and 300 kilometers per second and delta V is about equal to exhaust velocity (exactly equal at a mass ratio of e)

The thrust of ion engines also isn’t so low that they couldn’t do maneuvers in time its close but it’s good enough

For radiation it’s all about how much shielding mass you’re able to afford plus how much exposure you think is ok
I have a very different standard than current society for this, anything short of acute radiation positing is fine, I care about massive results as fast as possible not saving every life at extreme cost as is the current mindset in the west

>>519063059
>it has happened
nothing has happened besides jews stealing tax money.

>>519051022
Based and flat Earth pilled

>>519050338 (OP)
There is no need to prevent non-Whites from colonizing anything. Only chinks are capable, and they dicked over all of their historical explorers like crabs in a bucket.

>>519063172
Everything you wrote is retarded and you should never post here again.

>>519062942
>thats kind of what spacex is trying to do. thats why starlink is designed to fund the mars program.
So musk says but musk lies a lot

>i know theyve had contracts from NASA to work on part of their moon program, but that just happens to also coincide with their own program too. its a win win.

>>There is no air either it’s vacuum pressure.
>not quite, but asteroids certainly will be
There is no practical difference
I’m pretty sure Mars ground pressure literally falls within the definition of a low vacuum
For humans it’s identical

>>There is no water ice,
>they reckon the poles do have that
I thought it was all CO2 ice
Either way Mars is kind of a total shithole

>>Mars has gravity and that’s a bad thing, not a good thing
>not for humans at the moment its not a bad thing. there just isn't the technology to let us live in zero G for years on end and not be ruined by it.
Spin gravity works everywhere

>anyway, im going to finish this conversation right now. its really not something that strikes me as even half way reasonable or realistically doable. its a long long way in the future and ive read about it in scifi books, because thats what it would need. manned landings on mars can be done with pretty much what we have now provided teh programs aiming for it can stay the course.
Again an asteroid landing is less costly less demanding and easier than a Mars landing

The difference is that you need a big rocket to get off of Mars but a minuscule rocket to get off the asteroids

Beyond this and the scenery (for public relation) there is no difference
Mars is not earth 2.0 it’s just a dry asteroid with heavy gravity

>>519061445
Sorry, I wanted an answer from you. Not YouT*be.
A decade for a fast asteroid is enough to leave the solar system and (before) facing the Oort Cloud. Mining without energy (power) is impossible. The energy the sun gives now and then is by all best guesses not enough. We talk about establishing a base for humans (which is colonizing), building stuff like machines, that have to be brought on this asteroid too. THEN the resources AND men Have to get transported back. Which is by all movies you looked impossible (not only because of the time frame).

>>519063314
Everything I said make sense unless you meant exoplanets when you said other planets
Which wouldn’t make sense since you said ion engines right after that

If I said something false I dare you to actually confront it and say what

>>519063530
>Not YouT*be.
It’s a one second clip lmao it’s just an audio webm because /pol/ doesn’t support them

Considering your post you’re somehow so lazy you didn’t even read the title of the vid because that would answer your question

>>519050338 (OP)
We are never leaving this dump. It could easily be argued that nothing manned ever did leave, nor ever will.
Not saying space is fake or some bible bullshit, but simply that humans never crossed radiation belts above upper atmosphere. It is also possible we aren't meant to leave in some deep spiritual sense.

>>519063763
Also I forgot my own rule what am I doing answering the German schizo who believes the moon landing is fake and has been rageposting all thread about space being fake and wishing anyone talking about it would die

I need to listen to myself more, I warned me, don’t talk to schizos, but I didn’t listen, no, I’m too good for my own advice, pure hubris

>>519050338 (OP)
robots will go there and fetch materials, if they're needed. humans are not going anywhere. humans stay here to develop their replacement robots and then they get culled

Wake up sheeple

>>519064000
All the same to me

Doing it without human is possible but the technology isn’t there yet at all and it will take time, but it’s not relevant. Tonnage of material per day is what I care about.

>>519050338 (OP)
>How do we ensure whites colonise the asteroids as fast as possible while preventing the other races from doing it first?

Eurotrash are irrelevant and it's either already happened/happening - with Japan - or not at all.

>>519050338 (OP)
Most of the galaxy is already colonized by Nordics/Tall Whites. This planet is a prison maintained by reptiggers and greys with our governments as collaborators. We are not free.

>>519063763
I will look at the vid when you give me answers to all my questions and concerns. I'm not lazy. How should I know it's a few seconds? I said I didn't view. I dint click the link. The reason WHY is cause I wanted YOUR own words, your thinking, your personal opinions. Not a video that should somehow conclude all you want to say or believe in. And as I said before, I asked a bunch of questions which are necessary if you take your claim of the asteroid thing serious. If you don't want to answer them, just say it. I won't ask again and leave this thread. Thank you.

>>519063644
Well for starters you just said that you were okay with sending people to their deaths for an acceptable ratio of results to cost which is completely fucking retarded because nobody is going to agree to that or accept that. Don't ever reply to me again, retard.

>>519061898
>holohoax was fake and gay
True
>like the fake moon landings.
Lmao, did Stanley Kubrick direct it too?
>>519062866
>That’s completely false they wanted to live like kings through the exploitation of all enslaved Europeans + get Eastern European lebensrqaum
You're delusional. Lebensraum's a jewish myth and the Allies started the war. All Hitler wanted was some ethnically German territories and freedom from international jewry.
>Again stop pretending the part about german politicians opening Europe’s borders and coercing other European leaders into accepting infinity Africans doesn’t exist
Stop pretending like Germany wasn't turned into a ZOG slave state after the war. And stop pretending that France was already importing non-whites before World War II even started.

>>519063998
Hey that's not OK. Calling me a schizo. I talk, I think, very normal and without insulting you. I don't have prejudices against French people. I was and am interested. That's not OK buddy.

>>519051716
Cope.

>>519063284
foolish

>>519063499
>For humans it’s identical
so why bring it up? theres enough difference that drones can fly and it may be possible to extract something useful from it.
>I thought it was all CO2 ice
oh no, very much not the case. look it up.
>Spin gravity works everywhere
probably, its just never really been tried beyond the most basic experiments. it will need a lot of testing and design.

>>519064144
dunno man, these robots get updates and they transform overnight, as far as skills go. might come sooner than you think. but ye job replacement won't happen overnight, but will happen over the course of few years. once they start getting good at manual labor shit will go fast

>>519064085
a croatflerf enters the thread

>>519064411
>Lmao
if they could fake the holobunga why couldnt they fake the moon landings?
holohoax is a multi billion dollar scam and so are the moon landings, in both are lots of jews involved.
so why wouldnt it be fake? why you believe what jews say?

>>519064284
I literally detailed my thoughts on why in an earlier post
The video is just the clip of aliens saying nuke the entire site from orbit

Run the math yourself if you have doubts
It works

>>519064327
>Well for starters you just said that you were okay with sending people to their deaths for an acceptable ratio of results to cost which is completely fucking retarded because nobody is going to agree to that or accept that.
I can easily get people to get to their death

>Don't ever reply to me again, retard.
You have 0 power, but you sound angry, have you tried herbal tea? Meditation maybe

>>519064637
You didn't present any evidence, I see. By that logic, nukes are fake, 9/11 was fake, and the JFK assassination was fake.

>>519064085
>>519064608
>Canadian NPC who shills for the current thing general #876545 "Has No Arguments Again" edition
The truth is plain to see

>>519064817
>nukes are fake, 9/11 was fake, and the JFK assassination was fake.
yes all of that is fake and gay, you are starting to get it.

>>519064678
>I literally detailed my thoughts on why in an earlier post
And I read it, wrote why I think it's impossible and asked questions..
You answered (of my questions): 0
NO, you started to call me schizo and, as I saw, started a shit storm against Germans which has nothing to do with the threads thematic. Just stop that ok? You're like an animal in the corner that bites everyone coming close. And only because people questioned your idea/theory.

>>519063172
why would you think anyone would put you on a "ship" instead of a robot? humans dying in space is a political disaster, and the cost to maintain their lives is astronomical, compared to like...robots. they can operate in the void of space, no atmosphere, pressure, special snowflake temperature range or they die, water, food, medicine, protocol, safety and suits and whatever the fuck.
why would humans invest fuckload of resources to risk a political clusterfuck so (You) can have your faggot astronaut dream of going in space? what for?

>>519065026
So are you just retarded? 9/11 100% happened even if who did it and why is different from the official story. Same thing with the JFK assassination.

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>>519064476
>so why bring it up? theres enough difference that drones can fly and it may be possible to extract something useful from it.
Like what
The drone is some hyper lightweight barely possible device it can’t really lift any extra charge

>>I thought it was all CO2 ice
>oh no, very much not the case. look it up.
Yeah ok my bad if that’s not the case
I thought Mars was before the ice line ie the range from the sun where volatiles feeze over and last billions of years

>>Spin gravity works everywhere
>probably, its just never really been tried beyond the most basic experiments. it will need a lot of testing and design.
Meh, tons of them on earth, you just make a room spin and you’re good
Literally the device in amusement park that presses you against the wall by spin gravity would work on Mars

Of course you would need a design immune to the shitty Mars dust but that just reinforces my point that Mars is a trash planet, you could have a centrifuge in orbit around an asteroid with rounding error gravity strength, or have the same centrifuge with extra strength for vertical loads + needing to keep the dust out
And of course asteroids can have as much as basically 0 gravity, while Mars will require huge complex landers with powerful engines merely to land, and even much bigger rocket stills if you want to go back to orbit

Where as any basic bitch ion engines can give you an orbital insertion for an asteroid and the gravity to go from low asteroid orbit to landed is like 5 meters per second

But that ring asteroids is still billions of tons of rocks and water and nitrogen (likely as ammonia ice) and carbon etc
Asteroids are an even better buffet of the periodic table than earth, earth has actually extremely little carbon, it’s just that life concentrated it on the surface

Asteroids can have the heavy elements that are all in the center of the earth and have light elements that were blown away in space on earth

>>519065051
the only good reason to send retards to space is so they die there, getting rid of useless eaters is the only viable usecase.
all you have to do is sell them this fantasy and losers like this frenchcuck or the canadian jeet would board these ships in a heartbeat no questions asked.
once they croak the spaceship empties the loading bay and return back to pick up the next useless eaters.
the remaining useless eaters would be fooled with AI clones so they think their useless eater friend arrived on some paradise planet.
what a genius idea that is.

>>519064445
>>519064445
>Hey that's not OK. Calling me a schizo
You said space is fake
Are you not the same as the German from earlier? Maybe I got the two confused because I assumed you were the same person with a dynamic IP

I haven’t been paying attention to IPs but the other German was literally ranting all thread about how anyone who cares about space expansion should be killed and saying all space agencies were scams with the usual space is fake radiation belt flat earther schizo babble

>>519064887
have you ever even thought about whats wrong with that silly video? For a start, do you know where it was filmed? Do you know why im asking?

>>519065145
>100% happened
not much has happened, jews constructed these empty prop buildings to tear them down 33 years later so goyims go to war and help set up more favorable conditions in the middle east for jews.
so fake and gay.

>>519053425
Except if you need materials in space. 2k per kg is pretty steep. There's a demmand for 450-600 tonnes of propellant for sattalites per anum. If you produced oxygen from lunar regolith, you also produce other value materials that can be uses in additive manufacturing. Meaning you can eventually develope manufacturing lines in space to replace sattelites and repair them.

>>519053823
Nigga Mars is a shit hole in almost all metrics. Even the upper atmosphere of Venus is better.

>>519065359
>nafri shitskin too dumb for IDs
>wants to go to space
top kek

>>519064567
>dunno man, these robots get updates and they transform overnight, as far as skills go. might come sooner than you think. but ye job replacement won't happen overnight, but will happen over the course of few years. once they start getting good at manual labor shit will go fast
Yes but it’s a lot of work I don’t see it happening to a point where humans wouldn’t be needed at all in even a full century
Maybe less maybe 50 years
Pretty long time either way we are not there at all

Humans don’t even understand how to make AI currently it’s just brute force approach with deep learning it’s idiotic
Robotic is much harder and it takes almost as much effort to make a robot grab one object of one type as it does to train an entire large language model

Of course a lot of heavy industrial mining on earth is mechanical, it’s done by big harvesters and dump trucks, and merely having electronic actuators for all the controls would work. Maintenance is another issue.

Remember at asteroid range time delay is huge. It’s like several minutes at lightspeed. Average 10 minutes of lag at the speed of light. Light is crazy slow.
It’s a completely unsolved problem and there wouldn’t be big funding to solve it either

>>519065439
The attacks killed 3000 people and they certainly weren't empty prop buildings. If you disagree then please present some evidence that the death count is fake or that the Twins Towers weren't used for anything.

>>519065032
>NO, you started to call me schizo
Why do they persecute me so >>519054668
>your jewish butthurt post isnt really an argument you know.
>fact is moon landings were fake, after they faked it they didnt even bother faking it again and the other space missions are mostly about stealing taxpayer money/plundering treasuries and as we know there is nothing up there in space that has any value for anyone.
>>519055190
>we could sell this whole thing to the uneducated poorfag masses (like to you) and have them sign up to get a seat on the "spaceship", then we blast these retards in space where they die.
>would be a good way of reducing the low IQ population.

Unless you’re a different anon but I had assumed it was you since the other IP stopped posting exactly as to began posting and you talk the same way

>>519064817
>By that logic 9/11 was fake
>>519065026
>Yes
>>519065145
>9/11 100% happened
Holy shit you're such a kike.
"Fake" means that the story as a whole is fake and it is,
You're strawmaning your own argument, faggot

>>519065433
>Still no arguments just wasting time

>>519065728
The camps killed 6 million jews and they were certainly not comfy summer camps for jews!
If you disagree then please present some evidence that the death count is fake or that the camps weren't used for gassing jews.

this is what you sound like.

>>519065764
>illiterate nafri nigger still cant figure out how IDs work on pol
toppest of keks

>>519065919
no, its an important question. dont avoid it. actually stop and think about the shit you post for a change. i'll ask another related question - where on the earth is it determined that the surface moves at 1000mph?

Do you even know what that number means? whats its frame of reference?

this french nigger literally didn't skip a single psyop since birth, i'm so fucking tired of this cancer you wouldn't believe

>>519065575
most people are specifically kept dumb as fuck at cattle level because more is not needed. what is needed is morons working simple jobs, where intellect and education aren't necessary. as long as the human can weld pipes that's good enough. so robots don't really have a high bar to pass.
picrel came out 20 years ago. the way things are going it could happen in the next 10 years. 50 years is nonsense. in 1975 they still had mainframes, zx spectrum came out in '82.

>>519050338 (OP)
>while preventing the other races from doing it first?
Ah yes, prevent others from advancing.
great

kys jew

>>519065051
>why would you think anyone would put you on a "ship" instead of a robot?
Me or a person in general
>humans dying in space is a political disaster,
Again the kind of plans and ideas I am playing with have these sorts of concerns as a very distant factor by design
I am not at all interested in the nonsense states have been doing with propaganda mission to entertain the brocoli haired masses
I see this entire ensemble as a dead end process

>and the cost to maintain their lives is astronomical, compared to like...robots.
Yes but can robots turn ten thousand tons of asteroids into finished ships
A crew of robots with a few humans could, they repair and rebuild the robots that break
They can remotely pilot robots too with millisecond of lag, not minutes as would be from earth

>they can operate in the void of space, no atmosphere, pressure, special snowflake temperature range or they die, water, food, medicine, protocol, safety and suits and whatever the fuck.
Sure but again they break and can’t exactly repair themselves or pilot themselves with our current level of tech

>why would humans invest fuckload of resources to risk a political clusterfuck so (You) can have your faggot astronaut dream of going in space? what for?
Oh no, you have it backward, I don’t blame you for not reading every post I made in the thread but my idea isn’t that
Its not others pay for hedonist meaningless faggotry I want
It’s I pay for inhumaine ruthless goal oriented world domination
Different pitch here
I’m all about mass producing weapons of mass destruction in space worth a high mortality rate among the workforce due to the corners I’ve cut until the program looks like a perfect sphere, not "umurgud I have a villa in space this is so cool I need nasa to fund this "

>>519065825
How about you read our whole exchange? This retard is literally claiming that the Moon Landings were fake without presenting any evidence, his reasoning being that if the Holocaust was fake then the Moon Landing could've been faked therefore it was. Total retardation. I guess English isn't your first language, but saying something was fake means that it never happened. 9/11 did happen, so it wasn't faked. The part that is fake is the perpetrators, the motive, and the method, and I know that because there is evidence.
>>519065926
I can present evidence that the Holocaust was fake, you can't present evidence that the Moon Landing was fake.

>>519066089
let me guess - theres no exclusive evidence that space exists or that the earth isn't flat?

519066049
>Shill wastes more time with no arguments

>>519066286
>you can't present evidence that the Moon Landing was fake.
there is plenty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_bPFmVVlFk

>>519065154
>but if you threaten to extend your violence this Earth of yours will be reduced to a burned out Cinder join us and live in peace Or pursue your present course and
>face obliteration.
I will exterminate every last one of you I will use every violent mean and tool available to on you just for the sake of it and for testing what happens to you when you’re harmed
Your turn. What’s your move

>>519065250
I

>>519065511
>There's a demmand for 450-600 tonnes of propellant for sattalites per anum. If you produced oxygen from lunar regolith, you also produce other value materials that can be uses in additive manufacturing. Meaning you can eventually develope manufacturing lines in space to replace sattelites and repair them.
What sucks with oxygen is that it’s a shitty fuel
It’s very corrosive due to high electro negativity second only to fluorine plus it’s heavy
The reason all rockets use hydrogen or hydrocarbons is likely due to the H2 in the exhaust which increases Isp
So while pure oxygen can work as fuel it’s a nightmare to deal with and has much worse performance. Probably is unavoidable in the long term near earth and in earth orbit

>Mars sucks
I’ve never said anything else
I even once said that we should treat it like Venus and just pretend it doesn’t exist, even Phobos and Deimos are more useful
Plus the view from Phobos is as kino as it gets

>>519066286
>saying something was fake means that it never happened.
Not true. Something can happen but the explanation is fake.
>It happened but not the way they tell you, the story is 100% fake
I guess you're 1st generation Jeet, work on your English

>>519065764
>Unless you’re a different anon but I had assumed it was you since the other IP stopped posting exactly as to began posting and you talk the same way
Uhm I AM not that anon. Want a fun fact? My mom is French, my dad is German. Mother "invaded" Germany in the late 60s to study and my father was like a hippy and so, hey, here I am. I believe it is possible to mine asteroids OK? But NOT how you described it. Simple as. We could or should have talked about that. I'm open minded but if something is simply not possible (nowadays) I say the NoNo. No problem (regarding what I read now). I don't make threads cause of that.

>>519066377
good, im glad to accept your concession that you've never even bothered examining your own stupid memes and dare not discuss them in any detail whatsoever.

>>519050511
the final frontier for them is mooching in white countries

>>519065764
Viry Chatillon btw. As kids my siblings and I were dragged there 2 or 3 times a year :D

>>519066276
you don't have any delay with AGI cores on a ship. it can remote robots in real time, locally. even some simpler AI thing.
you also underestimate how much human involvement is in producing robots. assembly lines are automated for a lot of robots.
you are still thinking about it in last decade's terms. shit will start changing very fast
>I’m all about mass producing weapons of mass destruction in space worth a high mortality rate among the workforce due to the corners I’ve cut until the program looks like a perfect sphere, not "umurgud I have a villa in space this is so cool I need nasa to fund this "
money will become irrelevant, only tech and resource access will matter.

>>519066929
>underestimate
overestimate

>>519066179
>most people are specifically kept dumb as fuck at cattle level because more is not needed.
Doubt
I don’t think there is any intentional attempt to keep people dumb more that it’s a result of economic forces and natural selection
For instance medieval feudal elites who want more serfs because more serfs means more power influence and wealth
Basic stuff like that
All adding up to a catastrophe no one planned for

I interact with the French governement and very powerful people in France and let me tell you the level is a disappointment
Not in a thousand years are these people competent enough to organize society changing conspiracies

>what is needed is morons working simple jobs, where intellect and education aren't necessary. as long as the human can weld pipes that's good enough. so robots don't really have a high bar to pass.
>picrel came out 20 years ago. the way things are going it could happen in the next 10 years. 50 years is nonsense. in 1975 they still had mainframes,
With 10-20 minutes time lag you need to be able to do all operations just form visual sensors and understand what every pixel on the screen is
Plus understand the current state of the robot in a way it was never programmed for
Full finite element analysis physical simulation of the environment
Plus decision making
Our AIs are not accurate tools at all they just work often enough to be useful and we can just ignore the nonsense and errors

A fleet of robots with the ability to produce every single part in every single robot from rock would be very large and very heavy
Similar to the same concept with a few humans but still shit

Either way humans cost life support mass and that’s about it
But they allow so much and do so many things that would require an absurd amount of research and development to do
We’re not talking about AGI were talking about something that can do everything a human can do not merely be sapient
Sending a human is cheaper even with the food included

>>519066312
i'd rather eat literal shit straight from a jeet ass than engage in actual discussion with an ignorant fucking worthless piece of shit like you for another second

>>519050338 (OP)
You would need to mobilize the nation and revamp the economy to be stable enough(in all ways you can think of) to support this mass national effort. All very akin to a "Great leap forward".

It could be done within 20-30 years if you strip the red tape(gotta be willing to take some astronaut casualties at first too) and actually rebuilt the industrial base that would be needed for all the parts and ships, space building platforms. That shit needs to be built here then sent to space, and since you now have built the things needed to create space based industry capable of making things up there, you can now spam industry / space farming.

Then you can colonize astral bodies like stable asteroids, moons and planets.

Our race could do it alone but we would never do it unless the planet is threatened under the current world situation. and or we would not be allowed because of external factors and threats from other races.

Our only real hope of it happening is if we made a tripartite agreement with Russia and China to collectively work together, drop our past issues, and most importantly of all subjugate the rest of the planet under the three hemispheres of US -RU- CH(white civilization and oriental civilization)....the 3 super nations could then utilize the worlds resources for the sake of human existence and most importantly because space has unlimited resources which will solve most of humanities issues overall.

We really could enter a true golden age but no one has the balls or the will to get it done.

>>519050338 (OP)
anyone who engages in this kind of discussion is literally just roleplaying, discussing a fanfiction that does not exist and will never exist. we haven't sent a human being even 0.1% of the distance to the moon since 1972 when they allegedly put a bunch of freemasons on the moon to play golf and drive cars around on. after that, they destroyed the technology to go back and we haven't been back even 1/1000th of the distance to the moon. the idea of "colonizing asteroids" is hilariously out of touch with the reality of our actual capabilities on earth. they've been psyopping you that they are pros at space travel and satellites for generations so of course you think its possible, but when you look at the facts we absolutely suck shit at it. and now watch the shills come pouring in saying we should trust the government and its okay that NASA has a daily budget of $70,000,000

>>519066412
Can you give me a summary? Three hours is pretty outrageous.
>>519066553
>THE JFK ASSASSINATION WAS FAKE!
>Oh, you mean he actually survived?
>Er, no, I mean the CIA did it.

>>519066565
>not him
Ok you both have orange IDs and I had schizo fatigue of talking to that guy so I didn’t really read your posts thoroughly
I’m trying to respond fast enough to like a dozen people talking to me so that I reply to everything before the thread dies

>I believe it is possible to mine asteroids OK? But NOT how you described it. Simple as. We could or should have talked about that. I'm open minded but if something is simply not possible (nowadays) I say the NoNo. No problem (regarding what I read now). I don't make threads cause of that.
Ok can you just re explain your point or even copy and paste it about what you disheee with

>>519067128
hahaha, nice to see you again too.

Guys ffs ignore the shills

>>519066929
>assembly lines are automated for a lot of robots.
>you are still thinking about it in last decade's terms. shit will start changing very fast
Controlled environment where robots do one pre planned action vs a moving robot in a pile of irradiated ruble where everything breaks and not even humans would have any idea wtf went wrong
>agi
Mentioned in other reply basically you need far more than mere AGI

>money will become irrelevant, only tech and resource access will matter.
Yes
Basically already the case but humans will trade tech and resources for money sooo

We must be cooperative, especially Americans. We develop everything we need with a US-EU/UK-Russia-NE Asia alliance of open competition and cooperation. But it's more about fostering this among developers and industrialists and political leaders specifically more than the rest.

The biggest and really only barrier is the entrenchment of traditional finance. Think of private equity as a kind of pirate ship on the seas of human need, and asset managers as a kind of corporate oligarchy, like the East India company. They both want trade and local development to the extent that the bank financing it all can become stronger, or that scarcity will create a captive market in an ouroboros of financial abstraction and currency devaluation.

So groups like Blackrock and any rich investors will unironically take steps to counter viable space projects, a long with destroying opportunities for housing and basic shit that people need (because there are no alternatives, no escape, no place left to run wild in the world. They will also comtinue to combat energy projects to lower consumer prices, especially where political will is weak. Germany's situation with nuclear is a great example, they want people to think it's screeching blue hairs and not finance causing this. Krauts have been stripped down and abused, totally depoliticized.

The projects that need to be taking place will not be profitable for possibly decades and all require lower financial inputs. Like the space race of the 20th century, political alliances, even very loose and very private agreements between leaders are the key. No one working in finance wants this to be achieved because what it will unlock will materially destroy financialization likely permanently unless some future colonies becomes isolated and revert to more primitive economies like ours.

tl;dr we need chuddies in power across the northern hemisphere, with as few exceptions as possible. We need women to not be voting ever again also, somehow.

>>519067149
>All very akin to a "Great leap forward".
Yes
Or great divide 3BP
I absolutely endorse these kinds of unhinged tactics and ways to run a country but getting the temporal power to do stuff like that is easier said than done

>It could be done within 20-30 years if you strip the red tape(gotta be willing to take some astronaut casualties at first too) and actually rebuilt the industrial base that would be needed for all the parts and ships, space building platforms. That shit needs to be built here then sent to space, and since you now have built the things needed to create space based industry capable of making things up there, you can now spam industry / space farming.
All that assumes you have power and secure power with extensive executive powers and ability to control the things in a country or several
Again not easy to do the Bolshevik had to plan a revolution for 40 years to get there

>Then you can colonize astral bodies like stable asteroids, moons and planets.
Yes

>Our race could do it alone but we would never do it unless the planet is threatened under the current world situation. and or we would not be allowed because of external factors and threats from other races.
If it’s not ours, it’s somebody else’s. And if it’s somebody else’s, sooner or later they will use it against us. That’s why we have to take it, whether we need it or not.

>>519067079
>I don’t think there is any intentional attempt to keep people dumb
Kek what a kitten
Catholic church used to gatekeep people from reading the Bible, Germany gatekept Mein Kampf for decades, history revisionists are thrown in jail, noticers are cancelled and defamed and generally gatekeeping and gaslighting on a massive scale is a thing, of course they want you dumb and they are actively working on it.

>>519055673
sorry hans, I forgot you guys don't do globes in germany

>>519067149
>Our only real hope of it happening is if we made a tripartite agreement with Russia and China to collectively work together, drop our past issues, and most importantly of all subjugate the rest of the planet under the three hemispheres of US -RU- CH(white civilization and oriental civilization)....the 3 super nations could then utilize the worlds resources for the sake of human existence and most importantly because space has unlimited resources which will solve most of humanities issues overall.
Sorry to be a party pooper but I need to remind you that you don’t have dictatorial powers over the USA right now

>We really could enter a true golden age but no one has the balls or the will to get it done.
I do now do I have the lifetime who knows we’ll see

>>519067173
You also like other anons make incorrect assumptions about my stance and goals
Yes everything you said is true
No none of it is relevant

I don’t plan to rely on things like democratic public spending or popular support for any of these plans

>>519067174
>Can you give me a summary?
moon landings were fake and gay.

>>519050338 (OP)
We don't want to colonize the asteroids, we want to mine them into nothing and build gigantic space habitats that rotate for gravity that we'll live on and use for harvesting solar energy to run our AI models and refine all the asteroids we're mining so we can build larger solar arrays and servers for our AI models. All must serve the ever-increasing AI.

>>519067924
"none of what i said was relevant" when you are discussing something as stupid as colonizing asteroids as though space is even real to begin with. even if you believe it's real we can't go there, we haven't sent a human being 1/1000th of the distance to the moon. look how obviously fake the retarded moon landing was. imagine believing freemasons landed on the moon to play golf then destroyed the technology to go back LOL!

>>519068093
You're a retard.

>>519068092
this is what most people treat as god nowadays and look how retarded it is. some people think they are in relationships dating these things lol

>>519067289
>Ok you both have orange IDs
That's funny! I fifuoit out cause a white to grey is different to others like brown, violet or blue. Light blue and blue shoes your written post hits the average opinion. Which is good. White and grey is :-/. Meaning it's almost neutral. Violet btw is extravagant and full of opinions others could question. Red is provocative and orange is a step before that. Maybe because I asked so much questions and quoted. (quoting is a part of this score table)
Anyways...
My questions...
>>519063530
>A decade for a fast asteroid is enough to leave the solar system and (before) facing the Oort Cloud. Mining without energy (power) is impossible. The energy the sun gives now and then is by all best guesses not enough. We talk about establishing a base for humans (which is colonizing), building stuff like machines, that have to be brought on this asteroid too. THEN the resources AND men Have to get transported back. Which is by all movies you looked impossible (not only because of the time frame).
>>519060678
>how a colony of humans on a asteroid can 1. Ensure people won't die 2. Drift off 3.wont crash (in billion of years or just one million) into another asteroid, planets, moons etc. Not even talking about the Oort Cloud surrounding the solar system which could fuck up the asteroid. 4. A source for oxygen and a power source (which is unstable when not in a steady orbit regarding the sun or being able to produce enough energy due to chemical reactions

Chronological wrong.. But... Yeah.

>>519068137
I accept your concession.

>>519050338 (OP)
>be whites
>control no territory
>have no nations
>barely even exist as a people
>"we're going to take space and deny all our more powerful enemies!"
deluded

>>519067174
>ESL Jeet doubles down
More lik
>JFK was assassinated
>Yeah Oswald did it alone with a magic bullet
>Yeah that's a fake story
It's not hard, you're just dumb even for this but come on, tell us more about the Universe kek.

>>519067337
I warned them
Literally first line of the Op

>>519067539
>So groups like Blackrock and any rich investors will unironically take steps to counter viable space projects, a long with destroying opportunities for housing and basic shit that people need (because there are no alternatives, no escape, no place left to run wild in the world. They will also comtinue to combat energy projects to lower consumer prices, especially where political will is weak. Germany's situation with nuclear is a great example, they want people to think it's screeching blue hairs and not finance causing this. Krauts have been stripped down and abused, totally depoliticized.
I am an insider most are:
>overwhelmed
>low information
>not that smart
>want profit
>usually more focussed on following regulations than even profit

Institutional finance is easy to scam and manipulate

>The projects that need to be taking place will not be profitable for possibly decades and all require lower financial inputs.
Again that’s not how I plan to finance any of ti
>Like the space race of the 20th century, political alliances, even very loose and very private agreements between leaders are the key.
It’s a working option
Not the only one by engineering a space race can work. However using that, stakeholders like the military and branches will have a lot of impact on what exactly gets funded. Risking to make the whole thing unproductive regarding working toward the actual secret objectives.

>No one working in finance wants this to be achieved because what it will unlock will materially destroy financialization likely permanently unless some future colonies becomes isolated and revert to more primitive economies like ours.
Not really
And even if it was the case trust me fund managers and stock brokers don’t have a second to think about this and research analysists are too dumb to pick up on it too

>>519051557
Shut up, spacefaggot.
Water doesn't cling to a spinning ball.

>>519051022
Thank you, levelanon.

>>519068167
So. Much. Typos. :(

>>519067539
You are right in pretty much all regards bro, but we're thinking positive about how to get things done, your thinking more negatively and much more Jewish bringing up finance 10 times.

The financers will fucking do it or be nationalized by force and they will get business opportunities and national support overall if they just go along with it. They can retool their own industry's to fit and work for the national good or they can lose their industry's and money while it's handed off to someone else by force.

That's how you deal with financers and money men when you have nation level physical power.

>>519067539
>tl;dr we need chuddies in power across the northern hemisphere, with as few exceptions as possible. We need women to not be voting ever again also, somehow.
Yes
I believe in organisation
Do you have any idea on how to exchange contacts in a way that wouldn’t lead to doxxing ?
Me you and the Canadian anon from early in the thread and maybe the Romanian are useful assets I would rather have them work in a coordinated manner

>>519068409
>a frenchcuck, a canadian jeet,a romanian shitskin and an amerimutt want to go to space
what a great start to a joke lmao

>>519067079
>Doubt
top kek. somebody gotta weld those pipes, and it won't be PHDs
>With 10-20 minutes time lag
local AI cores. robots will have some simpler AI cores specialized on their job but there can be a local overseer AI/AGI thing orchestrating everything with realtime access to whole robot fleet. what today is doesn't matter. dude, look at the absolutely insane levels of resources poured into AI. there is no fucking way this flops. it's quintessential tech, they'll crack it.
>A fleet of robots with the ability to produce every single part in every single robot from rock would be very large and very heavy
they already have 3d priting on ISS. you just need replacement parts for whatever breaks. rest can be manufactured/assembled onboard. dropping life support makes room for a lot of cargo.
>Sending a human is cheaper even with the food included
that's nonsense anon. first on Mars will be robots assembling the base for humans that will eventually go there, for political reasons of-course, but they'll not risk going there deploying the base themselves I'm pretty sure of that. it's just not worth the risk.
if you send humans and China sends AI robots they'll outcompete you locally and they'll make more bases and set up shop and take way more Mars land and will be able to defend whatever they take there. this is not about how you feel about it, this is about the only game plan that is successful.

>>519067766
>Catholic church used to gatekeep people from reading the Bible, Germany gatekept Mein Kampf for decades, history revisionists are thrown in jail, noticers are cancelled and defamed and generally gatekeeping and gaslighting on a massive scale is a thing, of course they want you dumb and they are actively working on it.
That’s not keeping people dumb those are examples of specific small groups (the inner parties in all cases, the high court) trying to limit the spread of a very specific piece of information

Intelligence is genetic knowledge is learned

And nowadays with the internet censorship of ideas has become nearly impossible

The only way anyone made it work is North Korea levels where they literally arrrest millions of people to get rid of every single individual saying something even if it’s 20% of the population
Not exactly an efficient or elegant solution considering their like 800$ a year median per capita GDP lol

>>519067149
You are a Jewish colony inhabited by Jew worshiping goy slave golems. You can never be trusted. China and Russia aren't into subjugating the world, that's your Judeo American Tikun Olam mindset. You are insane.

>>519068375
It is both at the same time

>>519068167
>>>519067289
Ah look. Now my ID is red. To much quotes and whatever. Nothing thar helps the thread. I always look at my initial color and am surprised if it's sometimes violet from the beginning or blue. At one time it was grey and I felt old :(. Try it yourself and look for your colors each post over a whole thread. It's really a code how you are... Seen... Somehow...it strange.

>>519050338 (OP)
Good ol colonization and denial of resources. Works everytime

>>519053978
Thats not fire you fucking retard

>>519067924
Any truly popular US president could pull a Caesar and claim the empire that is needed for things like were discussing.

Not getting assassinated or your whole family assassinated while cleaning house and setting things up is the real hard part aside from initially gaining that level of popular support.

Americans would 100% go for a benevolent emperor right now, were fucked and we know it, but we're very busy infighting also.

>>519068286
>Many*

>>519068910
:(
Yeah THANK YOU

>>519068167
>>A decade for a fast asteroid is enough to leave the solar system and (before) facing the Oort Cloud.
What?

>Mining without energy (power) is impossible. The energy the sun gives now and then is by all best guesses not enough.
What is then
I’m talking about converting asteroids (rock ice and organic trash) into refined products like starships
That would be done on the asteroid or on a nearby logistic hub in both cases at the distance of the asteroid belt form the sun
Il not suggesting moving asteroids

>We talk about establishing a base for humans (which is colonizing), building stuff like machines, that have to be brought on this asteroid too.
Yes
> THEN the resources AND men Have to get transported back.
Men no, machines no, resources yes but that depends on what you mine and why you mine it
I reject any notion of mining resources to dumb on earth and sell on the market

>>how a colony of humans on a asteroid can 1. Ensure people won't die
Getting gud
> 2. Drift
All orbits are basically on rail we can predict where everything will be exactly decades in advance

>off 3.wont crash (in billion of years or just one million) into another
Again I am not talking about living on asteroids that would make no sense I am talking about converting the asteroids's mass into useful things like spaceships space telescopes and weapons, all mass produced on an immense scale


> Not even talking about the Oort Cloud surrounding the solar system which could fuck up the asteroid.
An asteroid is never leaving its orbit unless it somehow first is pushed near Jupiter then Jupiteryeets it
Not relevant either way my plans take decades or maybe centuries not millions of years

The sun is infinite at our time scale and solar panels even at the ran he of the asteroid belt generate enough power that they can be recycled into new ones plus excess energy
You might need a lot of solar panels for everything you do but you can do it without bringing more material

>>519068551
>there can be a local overseer AI/AGI thing orchestrating everything with realtime access to whole robot fleet. what today is doesn't matter. dude, look at the absolutely insane levels of resources poured into AI. there is no fucking way this flops. it's quintessential tech, they'll crack it.
Yes and my time estimate is like 50 years
For something that could properly replace a human in all the functions a human can perform

>>519068551
>they already have 3d priting on ISS. you just need replacement parts for whatever breaks. rest can be manufactured/assembled onboard. dropping life support makes room for a lot of cargo.
ISS printers with filaments from earth is another story than turning space travel into servomotors and CPUs

>that's nonsense anon. first on Mars will be robots assembling the base for humans that will eventually go there, for political reasons of-course, but they'll not risk going there deploying the base themselves I'm pretty sure of that. it's just not worth the risk.
>if you send humans and China sends AI robots they'll outcompete you locally and they'll make more bases and set up shop and take way more Mars land and will be able to defend whatever they take there. this is not about how you feel about it, this is about the only game plan that is successful.
Current day

I’m sorry but sending 5 years of food and life support for 10 humans to like psyche or something is way way way cheaper than inventing AGI and making a perfected fleet of robot that is entirely self sufficient and requires no human intervention

You’re basically talking abo it engineering a new form of life that can exist by itself at that point lol it is not cheaper than 10 astronauts

>>519068676
You have no argument.

I understand it wouldn't work because of the real situation in the world right now.

Also fuck you pal I'm personally no foreskin munching heeb.

And by subjugate I really just mean, strong arm everyone on the planet into space colonization, all small nations of the planet already serve as semi vassal states to the 3 big boy nations. What is really needed when I say subjugate is the free access of the big 3 too Africa and South America's nearly untapped resources.

Think outside the box that is your balkan shitshack.

>>519067174
>Can you give me a summary? Three hours is pretty outrageous.
yeah, easy: "polished turd made attractive to retards"

>>519068409
Actually got doxxed the last time I gave out my proton mail on another board. I'm too schizophrenic anyway, go on without me frens.

I will check for more threads in the future if I get back on telegram or something soon.

>>519050338 (OP)
Where's your gang M16 drug dealer gun control left? Here is mine fired through your heart for your judaism.

>>519068823
>Any truly popular US president could pull a Caesar and claim the empire that is needed for things like were discussing.
Yes
>Not getting assassinated or your whole family assassinated while cleaning house and setting things up is the real hard part aside from initially gaining that level of popular support.
Is it? I mean Cesar like Philip of macedon made a point to go out of their way to have no security as to avoid the bad optics of looking like dictators
Both got stabbed

>Americans would 100% go for a benevolent emperor right now, were fucked and we know it, but we're very busy infighting also.
I think I have what it takes I was thinking of doing it in France but I might do it in America
Way easier later with america anyways France is such a shithole

One of the largest barriers to entry I see to me becoming a dictator of America is just knowing everything there is to know
It’s such a big country so many powerful people institutions groups stakeholders etc
Not easy
You need a good understanding of the actual real life political situation before you try to sieze power

Most people do it by basically yoloing it with incomplete knowledge which is why so many attempts to take power fail or have counter coups or counter revolutions etc

>>519069410
funny how posting a link to that documentary always gets you loser jews so riled up and seething.
hilarious.

>>519068575
>That’s not keeping people dumb those are examples of specific small groups (the inner parties in all cases, the high court) trying to limit the spread of a very specific piece of information
Small group preventing the population from learning the reality is literally the definition of how elites keep people dumb, anon
>Intelligence is genetic knowledge is learned
If you're intelligent but you don't know anything about the world you live in you're still dumb. You think there were no intelligent people a 1000y ago ? Yet they all believed in witches and shit.
>And nowadays with the internet censorship of ideas has become nearly impossible
You're moving goalposts. You said there's no *intentional attempt to keep people stupid*. Just because gatekeeping got harder doesn't mean they are not trying it

>>519069467
Never used telegram
Give details about what happened with your doxxed you how and what happened after you were doxxed if anything at all

>>519069621
>deluded french nafri wants to become the dictator of the USA
LOL

>>519050338 (OP)
>space colonization
>apollo missions 56 years ago
>no one went beyond low earth orbit ever since
get real

>>519069690
>Small group preventing the population from learning the reality is literally the definition of how elites keep people dumb, anon
>>Intelligence is genetic knowledge is learned
>If you're intelligent but you don't know anything about the world you live in you're still dumb. You think there were no intelligent people a 1000y ago ? Yet they all believed in witches and shit.
We’re arguing semantics let’s not devolve to that level of retardation
I use words for what they mean, dumb means dumb and ignorant means ignorant if you’re talking about lack of knowledge say ignorant

>>And nowadays with the internet censorship of ideas has become nearly impossible
>You're moving goalposts. You said there's no *intentional attempt to keep people stupid*. Just because gatekeeping got harder doesn't mean they are not trying it

>>519069660
whats funny is that anyone can possibly take it seriously. but dont get me wrong anon, i encourage people to watch it. what you should do is encourage people to hear the other side, but you never do.

Just like you fags that post it up all the time never want to talk about any of its retarded 'questions' and what it says about them

https://www.moonhoaxdebunked.com/

>>519069887
>i encourage people to watch it.
your butthurt reply sounded differently and now you want people to watch it?
a funny jew you are.

>>519069396
>Also fuck you pal I'm personally no foreskin munching heeb.
That's a nigger level argument.
>The Chinese people are short on average
>No I know this one Chinese dude he's 6'4''
You live in a Judaized society, the fact that you're not (you think you're not but you are) doesn't change the fact America is wholly Jewish
>All small nations of the planet already serve as semi vassal states to the 3 big boy nations.
Again, you serve Israel. How can't you remember that ?

>>519069147
>I’m talking about converting asteroids (rock ice and organic trash) into refined products like starships
>That would be done on the asteroid or on a nearby logistic hub in both cases at the distance of the asteroid belt form the sun
>Il not suggesting moving asteroids

That needs machines and people to be brought to the asteroid (time). NEEDS
TIME

>>We talk about establishing a base for humans (which is colonizing), building stuff like machines, that have to be brought on this asteroid too.
>Yes
AGAIN, NEEDS:
TIME

>Men no, machines no
WRONG.
MACHINES NEEDED TO MINE.
Please mark:
Yes
No

>Men no
You talked about getting human on asteroids
Makes no sense without human.

(what's that bullshit, you make a thread about spreading humanity in the universe by getting them on asteroids and no tell there are no humans?)

>>>how a colony of humans on a asteroid can 1. Ensure people won't die
>Getting gud
Are you retarded...? Or drunk? Now... For real?
>> 2. Drift
>All orbits are basically on rail we can predict where everything will be exactly decades in advance
That doesn't mean it's in habitual conditions. Absolutely not. Calculation of a way into the sun doesn't mean you survive only cause you calculated it.
>Again I am not talking about living on asteroids that would make no sense I am talking about converting the asteroids's mass into useful things

Nope, that's not what you talked about. Scroll up to the, your, first post.

>An asteroid is never leaving its orbit
A asteroid has no "orbit". WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT ARE QE TALKING ABOUT??????

SORRY THATS ENOUGH! an asteroid with an steady orbit here WITHIN the solar system?


Dude I was calm and am, but thats enough. You don't have any idea how asteroids work. Or anything in space. That's just stupid 11 year old fantasy.
I'm sooooooo fucking out.

>>519070051
>That needs machines and people to be brought to the asteroid (time). NEEDS
>TIME
Measured in weeks wtf is your point why are you typing in all caps
I know it takes like 8 months to send them there, so?

We've always been told that poop is the food we ate. If it is then why isn't it the same color as the food, hmm!? Why isn't it the same shape as the food? Why are we flushing good food down the toilet? How can anyone be stupid enough to believe the poop is the food?

>>519070005
you cant understand that i think its an amazing collection of retardation and yet still want people to watch it? if that concept is too complicated for you then no wonder you fell for that dumb movie so completely.

>>519070051
it took you 300 posts to figure out OP is a retarded nigger with the IQ of a sack of feces?
lmao better late than never I guess

>>519070051
>A asteroid has no "orbit". WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT ARE QE TALKING ABOUT??????
>SORRY THATS ENOUGH! an asteroid with an steady orbit here WITHIN the solar system?

Are you under the impression that every asteroid is actively tracked? We have catalogued hundreds of thousand of asteroids do you think we only know where they are because we are staring at them right now?

The orbits are of course ballistic trajectories with n body dynamics not two body Kepler kan ellipses but they still have orbits you’re unhinged

>>519070198
you are just posting jewish butthurt buddy.
also you are too retarded to convince anyone the fake and gay moonlandings happened, so you really suck at your loser shill job.

>>519069795
>Let's not argue about semantics
>Immediately proceeds to argue semantics
If you are 140 IQ normie physicist that believes the official narrative you're just as good as dumb to them, you'll never jeopardize their plans.
Preventing intelligent people from accessing information equals keeping societies dumb
Also the average IQ is like 100 that's pretty dumb

>>519069707
Someone found a linked email address from my proton mail. It was the recovery address and accessed it within 24 hours of me posting it. Nothing else had changed.
>change pw
No problems after. Or so I thought. He must have sold my info because days after an old coinbase account from when I was a teenager was accessed, fuckery with banking app began + scamjeets (I think Albanians or something else actually) blowing up every email I have and my phone for two weeks. I simply do not trust this site or my own opsec. Are you into HAM or other such comms? I'm not into it much but have been wanting to for this reason.

>>519069369
but robots improve via software updates. once they have enough axis movement and precision the rest is software. robots able to replace a lot of human manual labor are coming in the next 2-5 years tops, as far as technical ability for movement goes, as in motors/servos precision/strength. the harder part, at least as it now seems, is the AI thing, where it can do shit by itself. but I'm not sure that will take more than 10 years seeing the trillions of moneyz thrown at it atm.
musk just flew starship which dispenses those satellites on rapid fire. cargo is not hard to send. humans bubbles are insanely expensive to send. for robots and parts you literally need a rustbucket with no atmospheric seals, just send it

>>519050338 (OP)
We'd have to figure out what the flying fuck is wrong with NASA to have shut everything down for multiple decades. They're the first impediment, and Elon likely has an inkling of what's going on behind the scenes love him or hate him. You're asking for a technocratic future, and that's going to come with severe consequences based on the global situation we find ourselves in at this particular moment.

Also, whites need hope again. Everyone's checked the fuck out.

>>519070335
by all means, people should watch American Moon. They should also investigate everything they claim and everything they offer as evidence (especially the quotes from nasa documents, since they lie by omission lots of time that way lol).

i notice you dont bother bringing up any points from the stupid lying movie for discussion. i doubt you can even remember any.

>>519070500
and food energy just send few RTGs and that's solved for 10s of years worth of energy lmao no growing food in space and silly things like that

>>519067728
Your original question was "how to do it quickly" basically, well I gave you the answer otherwise it will take a long time.

And if it takes a long time for us china will just beat us there without the mutual cooperation....then were fucked frenchbro.

Your last point I understand but realistically the Chinese would go to total war against us if they thought we were going to simultaneously stay on earth and colonize space while telling them to get fucked. We will for a fact cause a massive civilizational war that would set back the whole original space colonization idea to a extent it might not be possible any time soon after the war.

The interesting scenario that negates the war would be if we handed china all the good white farmland parts of earth if the white race totally left the planet for the stars.

We are best off mutually cooperating with the high civ Asians because otherwise one day far off they will chase us to the stars or we would have to obliterate earth(asteroid bombardment or whatever) from space to keep any and all other races eventually getting to space and niggering the whole galaxy to high hell.

And it's not unhinged if it works and it actually works better than everything else.

>>519050457
There's a SAAR man waiting in the loo...

>>519070570
cope and seethe more jewish subhuman

>>519070348
>If you are 140 IQ normie physicist that believes the official narrative you're just as good as dumb to them, you'll never jeopardize their plans.
Clarifying semantics
Either way thankfully I am way better than a 140 IQ physicist
Imagine me wasting my life being a physicist
Couldn’t be me
>denial of information is keeping people dumb
Killing smarts or breeding dumbs is keeping people dumb


>>519070393
>Someone found a linked email address from my proton mail. It was the recovery address and accessed it within 24 hours of me posting it.
Oh right I get it tried logging in then an email has been sent to this address it had your name
Yeah all my emails literally have no human trace to them I took care of that kind of flaw
Using burner emails on burner hardware on proxies as the backup addresses etc

>>519070393
>No problems after. Or so I thought. He must have sold my info because days after an old coinbase account from when I was a teenager was accessed, fuckery with banking app began + scamjeets (I think Albanians or something else actually) blowing up every email I have and my phone for two weeks. I simply do not trust this site or my own opsec. Are you into HAM or other such comms?
No
>I'm not into it much but have been wanting to for this reason.
Using my brain cells to think for two seconds an idea I came up with for safe ish contact is a pot idea
No time to do it right now but it would be a place like a public website or listing
Then I or you can send further invites to that place
Only threat actors monitoring and railing since the origin point could see it plus the person you’re trying to contact

Then it’s a simple matter of finding who’s the sussy batta and contacting the real person

Talking in a public place for private anonymous meetup isn’t easy either way

>>519070695
that was a simple graphic meant to visually display telemetry data to make things more interesting to watch. thats all it was.

>>519070763
keep fleeing the conversation. its funny

>>519070176
best post itt, no usual midwit shit, just pure unadulterated retardation, to the point it's actually cute

>>519070500
A space habitat is about as hard to build as a boat and we build millions
It’s about mass and I maintain a few humans even with all life support can indeed be useful
Just send like 3 if you’re really short on rockets

>>519070681
>Your original question was "how to do it quickly"
How to but who
How do we? How do they? Who’d doing who
You’re not the us government as a far as I know so you need to take care of that step first

>The interesting scenario that negates the war would be if we handed china all the good white farmland parts of earth if the white race totally left the planet for the stars.
That’s retarded
The British literally declared war on China 8 times to force them to buy drugs I think you need to rethink just where you need to set the cuckery slider in foreign policy

>>519070971
>the conversation.
there is no conversation, I just mock your retarded jewish ass and your loser jew beliefs and thats it.
I mean how stupid does one have to be to still believe in the fake and gay jewish moon landings in 2025? you'd have to be below 70 IQ.

>>519070681
>We are best off mutually cooperating with the high civ Asians
The issue is that the Chinese genocide people nearly identical to themselves do they would also do it with people far from them like Europeans
They massacred Tibetans jurchens and mongols plus a dozen other racially East Asian ethnicities in recent centuries
> because otherwise one day far off they will chase us to the stars or we would have to obliterate earth(asteroid bombardment or whatever) from space to keep any and all other races eventually getting to space and niggering the whole galaxy to high hell.
Yeah no that’s the plan
>And it's not unhinged if it works and it actually works better than everything else.
Eternal unstable MAD works and genocide works, the first is an unstable system but unstable systems can last forever

>>519050338 (OP)
>>519050338 (OP)
>>519050338 (OP)
Reminder that the "no tail" posts are made by VPN niggers of a troon squad from iDrama and Valent Projects cuckademics to normalize furfag degeneracy across the board.
You're welcome.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518123762/#518129824
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518281658/#518287969
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518256371/#518256990

>>519050338 (OP)
>space

>>519071237
it's a "positive" lie
like little kids hanging on to santa claus

>>519070971
Dude
What is the first line I wrote
Read the op again
The stuff in parentheses

>>519071237
its true what you say - with you, there is no conversation at all. just your persistent running away from any conversation dealing with the contents of your favorite retarded movie full of lies.

>>519071464
honestly id have more than likely ignored you too if id been following that rule.

>>519071318
>from iDrama and Valent Projects cuckademics
Proof? Quick rundown?
Post it in another thread if this one dies ill find it

>>519071550
Yeah clearly you’re in the right spending 3 hours talking with flat earthers I have so much to learn from your wisdom

>>519071633
lmao rekt

>>519071478
you havent even watched it. so how would you know about the contents?
what a dumb jew lol.

>>519071288
The real question you are asking is if anyone with the capability that's white can be saved politically... I'm not sure the situation in America is tenable for survival let alone prosperity into the next 20 years. We risk becoming Brazil at an accelerated pace until something snaps. Say what you want about our racial purity, it was dismantled intentionally. The only one developing the tech you're asking for on the White side of the fence is Elon.

>>519069621
The assassination thing while I 100% get where your coming from can't be equated with the modern day. All the ways you could be assassinated these days compared to 04 A.D are just so enormous it's dumb to even discuss honestly.

But yes like all good leaders you need to balance the seclusion and the social availability/overall image.

Things are not like they were in 1936-45 either it's way worse....Hitler even with how purposely erratic he made his movement etc during the whole reign could have been kirk'd a few times and almost died to a bomb ....these days if some other governments(or Rothschild's) "KGB" assassin wants to kill you during a speech/ public event they will for a fact if they are sufficiently set on doing it.

>>519071633
honestly from what you said in our exchanges you really dont know much about the subject, just like the moonhoaxies and flat earthers. you're just a bit more reasonable than they are, but not much.

>>519071800
of course i have. its the same old tired moonhoax crap recycled for currentretards with reasonably high production values. i think its that bit of polish on the turd that convinces a lot of people. I bet you've never bothered checking out anything they say.

>>519071995
>of course i have.
you clearly didnt. stop lying jew loser.

>>519071995
where did you "check out" what they said?
on nasa shilled debunking sites
fucking retard

>>519072092
kill yourself

>>519071800
>what a dumb jew lol.
leave the dog fucker alone, he's under my protection
granted he's fucking retarded but at least he's not coming in with boats over horizon and stick stories

>>519072031
how do you determine that im lying? maybe try having a conversation about it.

>>519072092
>anything that disagrees with by video gurus is a shill site
this is how you think isn't it? lol

>>519072142
no you

>>519072092
kek, that reply even triggered another jewish loser >>519072142
lmao
>>519072196
>how do you determine that im lying?
you are a retarded jewish subhuman.

>>519072181
you have no exclusive evidence of that.