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Anonymous (ID: PItvxhYj) United States No.519075123 >>519075350 >>519075627 >>519077814 >>519078933 >>519079421 >>519079693 >>519079862 >>519080802 >>519081028 >>519081031 >>519081046 >>519081488 >>519081746 >>519081827 >>519082035 >>519082329 >>519082391 >>519082679 >>519083200 >>519083448 >>519083611 >>519083669 >>519083670 >>519083703 >>519083898 >>519084373 >>519084523 >>519084563 >>519084591 >>519088806 >>519089561
Why do leftists completely disregard economics?
Why do they think you can get something from nothing?
Anonymous (ID: XCpvoyJH) United States No.519075350
>>519075123 (OP)
They're not the ones implementing tarrifs and price floors at the moment

But yes, leftists are retarded even if they have no power
Anonymous (ID: /9z/Hwv0) United States No.519075552 >>519084770
Leftists place leftist ethics a priori above everything else. They pretend like Marx did actually sound economic analysis simply because they like the ethical imperatives that implies. It’s all a big exercise in cognitive dissonance.
Anonymous (ID: IZichNmU) United States No.519075627 >>519076023 >>519082486 >>519084065
>>519075123 (OP)
Marx actually fully understood capitalism, that’s why you read Marx in college. The issue was that he didn’t understand how the world would change so his solutions are outdated now
Anonymous (ID: PItvxhYj) United States No.519076023 >>519077491
>>519075627
He created concepts out of thin air like Surplus Value. He was a giant hypocrite and directly responsible for the death of millions.
Anonymous (ID: T/RmKZN/) United States No.519077491 >>519078434 >>519078520
>>519076023
smith, ricardo, and malthus all talked about what was essentially "surplus value" as the deduction from the produce of labor. ricardo especially, since he also believed in the tendency for the rate of profit to fall. it's all classic liberal economics. you literally dont know what you're talking about. stick to posting about mises and hayek you dumb low iq nigger
Anonymous (ID: hGxT6HvD) Denmark No.519077537 >>519081144 >>519081453 >>519081642 >>519082530 >>519084199
Wealth is zero sum. If you get rich, you took it from someone else.
Anonymous (ID: y7S27Hv3) Brazil No.519077717
It's simple, empower every envyous loser on earth and you earn followers.
Anonymous (ID: a3R1Lzdt) United States No.519077814 >>519078626 >>519085900 >>519087221 >>519087466
>>519075123 (OP)
>Why do they think you can get something from nothing?

They don't.

They are parasites that want to TAKE IT FROM YOU.
Anonymous (ID: H5n0iAB3) United States No.519078434 >>519079356 >>519079356
>>519077491
>talked about what was essentially "surplus value"
The fact you put a qualifier on this means they did not speak of "surplus value" like Marx did. Please stop being retarded you overeducated catamite.
Anonymous (ID: PItvxhYj) United States No.519078520
>>519077491
I think you're either confusing deadweight loss with surplus value or you're just a retard pulling concepts out of your ass. Where's your proof?
Anonymous (ID: hGxT6HvD) Denmark No.519078626 >>519080159
>>519077814
Bottom right is america right now.
Anonymous (ID: 9sQ5zfLQ) United States No.519078933
>>519075123 (OP)
They've already defeated themselves. All of the Marxists over the past decade, if they were employed, were working in an industry propped up by Reagan tier Trickle-Down Economics.
Anonymous (ID: T/RmKZN/) United States No.519079356 >>519080312 >>519081076 >>519081110
>>519078434
>>519078434
https://www.adamsmithworks.org/documents/wn-reading-guide-book-i-chapter-vii

As, while he is preparing and bringing the goods to market, he advances to his workmen their wages, or their subsistence; so he advances to himself, in the same manner, his own subsistence, which is generally suitable to the profit which he may reasonably expect from the sale of his goods. Unless they yield him this profit, therefore, they do not repay him what they may very properly be said to have really cost him.

adam smith: profits origin is the sum where the natural price is beyond the sum of wages + rent. the surplus value
Anonymous (ID: BXxhLuUM) United States No.519079421
>>519075123 (OP)
This is not what Marxism is about at all
Anonymous (ID: O8/8Rtu7) Portugal No.519079693 >>519081144
>>519075123 (OP)
Piketty is a more modern and more relevant left economist. Miggers wouldn't know that because they're too fucking stupid to read anything but twitter ragebait
Anonymous (ID: oVgZUV81) United States No.519079862 >>519079962 >>519084197
>>519075123 (OP)
>Why do leftists completely disregard economics?
bro you literally support an orange buffoon destroying the economy every day

democrats always are better at the economy than you and always will be, you uneducated nigger.
Anonymous (ID: O8/8Rtu7) Portugal No.519079962 >>519084197
>>519079862
That's because the GOP is ultimately nothing but a psyop to trick retards into pushing tax cuts for the rich.
Anonymous (ID: a3R1Lzdt) United States No.519080159
>>519078626
>Bottom right is america right now.
Correct.

It's time for Americans to take America back from the Socialist scum that have been ruining it for the last several decades.
Anonymous (ID: H5n0iAB3) United States No.519080312 >>519081666
>>519079356
>if I do enough mental gymnastics I can show adam smith discussed surplus value like marx did
>even though nothing in the block of text i am citing is remotely close to what marx described as surplus value in das kapital
Thank you for demonstrating why the shallow, materialistic worldview you have is doomed to fail because the people who espouse it are actual morons who will make shit up to support their delusions. Did you bother reading the first half of the paragraph you butchered or did it undermine your point too much to post it?
Anonymous (ID: c6tKB+ZT) No.519080802
>>519075123 (OP)
jews
Anonymous (ID: M9fsNzBF) United States No.519081028
>>519075123 (OP)
>Why do leftists completely disregard economics?
That was the deal. The left doesn't talk about economics and right agrees to fund all the gay degenerate shit.
Anonymous (ID: 3omPk9Il) Portugal No.519081031 >>519081357
>>519075123 (OP)
>something from nothing
has anyone told the cryptobros in >>>/biz/ ?
Anonymous (ID: Q7cA23UX) United States No.519081046
>>519075123 (OP)
Female mindset, unironically
Anonymous (ID: PItvxhYj) United States No.519081076
>>519079356
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U09VtR-r4CM
Anonymous (ID: Q7cA23UX) United States No.519081110
>>519079356
Please seriously don’t post again
Anonymous (ID: R/D4Iqt+) Uruguay No.519081144 >>519082305
>>519077537
Was that supposed to be a profound statement?

>>519079693
More modern, yes, he's contemporary. More relevant? Not at all. He's most relevant book is a review of the Capital, which is an extremely outdated book with a lot of incorrect views about economics.
Anonymous (ID: hulmJuCB) United States No.519081357
>>519081031
NO NOT LIKE THAT
SPECULATION IS WORK
IT'S OKAY WHEN I DO IT
Anonymous (ID: 3omPk9Il) Portugal No.519081453
>>519077537
Applying work is added value / growth
>using more energy for work
>doing more work per unit of energy (efficiency)
>increasing complexity
The added value is then distributed according to social power.
Anonymous (ID: FZg2ojkU) United States No.519081488 >>519085387
>>519075123 (OP)
>Why do they think you can get something from nothing
common misconception. they think they can get something for nothing, and theyre right
Anonymous (ID: FZg2ojkU) United States No.519081642
>>519077537
>you didnt build that, someone else made it happen
if if if if if if if if okey doke
Anonymous (ID: T/RmKZN/) United States No.519081666 >>519082772 >>519083390 >>519087322
>>519080312
lol lad. let me go through the first part since you think it undermines literally anything:

"The commodity is then sold precisely for what it is worth, or for what it really costs the person who brings it to market;"

in smiths natural price, the commodity (that has already been produced by wage-labor) already has profit included. the price of the commodity itself implies profit, or else there would be no point in producing it!

"for though in common language what is called the prime cost of any commodity does not comprehend the profit of the person who is to sell it again, yet if he sells it at a price which does not allow him the ordinary rate of profit in his neighbourhood, he is evidently a loser by the trade;"

smith here rebukes the older concept of "prime cost" because it DOES NOT include the profit required for producing a commodity. that is what he means by "does not comprehend the profit"

"since by employing his stock in some other way he might have made that profit. His profit, besides, is his revenue, the proper fund of his subsistence."

this means no one would produce a commodity if it didn't have profit, because there is an associated opportunity cost. you would be a loser.

much like marx says, and the formulation M->C->M, the capitalist only produces commodities for profit. theres no point otherwise. the only thing he adds is a moral character where the profit constitutes exploitation
Anonymous (ID: 2nz5a9CE) United States No.519081746
>>519075123 (OP)
Orange ding dong is introducing price floors and giving $40B to Argentina. Tell me how this is only a leftist practice
Anonymous (ID: Q+tYspBV) Japan No.519081827
>>519075123 (OP)
economics as taught in the US is a fake field that essentially says "do whatever rich people want"
Marxism is correct, simple as (and no, it doesn't say "you can get something from nothing")
Anonymous (ID: rJl3YlGT) United Kingdom No.519082035 >>519082284
>>519075123 (OP)
If anything, they seem too focussed on economics. They tend to disregard psychology and spirituality afaict
Anonymous (ID: aK3yxFK5) No.519082147
Materialists tend to do this too. There is no shortage of midwit/capitalists on the other side who think crypto has value or that an economy based on speculation is stable.
Both are terminally stupid
Anonymous (ID: FZg2ojkU) United States No.519082284 >>519083239
>>519082035
right but actually they care only about the psychology of how to get power and the spirituality of satan giving them power. power is defined by leftists as their ability to rub your nose in shit
Anonymous (ID: O8/8Rtu7) Portugal No.519082305 >>519084295 >>519085368
>>519081144
Piketty is not stupid, and entirely relevant. He clearly has done more than a book review. Are you a lying fuck, or just not functionally literate?
>If you tell the public over several decades that unfettered global trade and capital flows are facts of nature beyond political control, if you pretend that the only thing you can control is the flow of migrants across borders, you should not be surprised when the entire political discussion is about migration and identity. I think that’s a trap, something that should be avoided at all costs, because in the end this will lead to victory for the nativist, nationalist side.
Or are we now going to pretend now that /pol/ doesn't talk about immigration? Interesting that we don't ever discuss open borders for capital. I wonder why that is?
Anonymous (ID: r1cwcP1v) India No.519082329
>>519075123 (OP)
the UNIVERSE came from nothing, chud.
Anonymous (ID: FV/knZOS) United States No.519082391
>>519075123 (OP)
Why do pedopublicans ask dumbass questions here (in an echo chamber)?
Anonymous (ID: 8dR6Cgy0) No.519082447 >>519082634
I think leftists don't believe in scarcity. scarcity is the basis of economics. if things were not scarce there would be no need to economize.
Anonymous (ID: zKZ7WuMZ) United States No.519082486 >>519083025 >>519085634 >>519090271
>>519075627
It has nothing to do with it being a different time. Marx's theories were inherently flawed at best and are more likely outright evil. He was a shockingly lazy man and he was disliked by most of the people who knew him. He even managed to knock up a housekeeper who he then threw out on the street. I recognize that even assholes can have good ideas, but he had none. His writings were nothing but excuses for his shitty behavior and world view.

The jews recognized that his work could be weaponized, so they introduced it to countries they wanted to destabilize so they could take them over or destroy them as they saw fit. The USSR was their shining example, they started the same shit in China, but China kept the policy, but kicked out the jews.
Anonymous (ID: zKZ7WuMZ) United States No.519082530
>>519077537
Not remotely true.
Anonymous (ID: Q+tYspBV) No.519082634 >>519083322
>>519082447
it's more that in reality there's significantly less scarcity than economists imagine, and significantly more hoarding
we can worry about scarcity after we expropriate the rich
Anonymous (ID: SG/MPshU) United States No.519082679
>>519075123 (OP)
Because the entire discipline has been coopted by certain people for certain reasons.
Start here. >https://masongaffney.org/publications/K1Neo-classical_Stratagem.CV.pdf
Anonymous (ID: H5n0iAB3) United States No.519082772
>>519081666
>if I continue to use mental gymnastics to make my point it will magically become true
Hilarious. You keep adding qualifies into the work you're citing to make your point magically correct. This indicates Smith did not "essentially" discuss surplus value like Marx did.
Anonymous (ID: O8/8Rtu7) Portugal No.519083025 >>519083379
>>519082486
His works are close to 200 years old. It's really time to move on.
Anonymous (ID: w0ZTm9iJ) Germany No.519083200 >>519083554 >>519084638 >>519085309
>>519075123 (OP)
because the current economy is dogshit.
normal median wage workers should be able to afford a home a SAHW and two kids.
Trying to do an entire planned economy and abolishion of private property or something is obviously horseshit, but you can't look at todays economic system and think "yes, this is fine.".
compound interest, fiat currency, fractional reserve banking, the state enforced monopolies of the patent system, lobbying, using tax loopholes and strategic financial reinvestment and restructuring that result in fucking jeff bezos paying less taxes percentage wise than his goddamn minimum wage cleaning lady.
Anonymous (ID: rJl3YlGT) United Kingdom No.519083239 >>519083351 >>519084840
>>519082284
There are a lot of decent lefties, as well as shit ones. They seem motivated by a mix of mercy and altruism. Their most problematic faults are envy and naivety.
Lust for power and satanic influence are present everywhere in politics. Most lefties seem totally blind to spirituality.
Anonymous (ID: zKZ7WuMZ) United States No.519083322 >>519083525
>>519082634
Funny how communists don't recognize scarcity until there is no food and they are eating their children.
Anonymous (ID: rJl3YlGT) United Kingdom No.519083351
>>519083239
Oh and they are prideful, that's a big issue
Anonymous (ID: zKZ7WuMZ) United States No.519083379 >>519084241
>>519083025
Ideas don't stop being shit because time has passed. Fire still hot.
Anonymous (ID: Q7cA23UX) United States No.519083390
>>519081666
Why are you still posting?
Anonymous (ID: t4eC+iEC) United States No.519083448
>>519075123 (OP)
To a retard science is basically magic. Its like when niggers in africa see a helicopter
Anonymous (ID: 8dR6Cgy0) No.519083525 >>519083765
>>519083322
sam hyde is one twisted fuck.
Anonymous (ID: zKZ7WuMZ) United States No.519083554 >>519084202
>>519083200
Importing millions of "people" into developed nations that haven't been able to maintain well regulated societies for centuries, if ever, is the main reason economies are shit. It's hard to grow when you are both being undercut and have your taxes going to the kinds of useless eaters who used to be banished or killed for the survival of the rest.
Anonymous (ID: MwK3ynkC) Australia No.519083611
>>519075123 (OP)

>Why do they think you can get something from nothing?

Because they're atheist. This is literally what atheist retards believe.
Anonymous (ID: SG/MPshU) United States No.519083669 >>519086252
>>519075123 (OP)

>tfw reading Mason Gaffney's "Neo-classical Economics as a Stratagem against Henry George" (from Corruption of Econ)
>OP btfo, it's not just lefties, it's EVERYONE thanks to NCE brainrot
>leftists (Marx bros) chase labor theory of value like it's the holy grail, thinking surplus value comes from exploiting workers
>but Gaffney drops redpill: nah, real unearned surplus is LAND RENT, not labor vs capital drama
>Marx calls George "capitalism's last ditch" cuz Henry wanted to tax land values (unproduced, free lunch from nature/location) instead of meat-axing all property
>lefties disregard real econ cuz NCE founders (Clark, Ely, Seligman) were rentier shills who blurred land/capital to protect speculators
>funded by railroads and landlords, they recast econ to make rent look "earned" (ripening costs lol)
>Marxists fell for it too – their dualistic labor-capital ignores land as third factor, lets landowners larp as "productive"
>something from nothing? That's RENT, anons – land values rise from population/gov infrastructure, not owner's effort
>George solved poverty/unemployment/inequality by taxing that nothing into public revenue, no deadweight loss
>lefties want to seize factories (produced by labor) but spare vacant lots worth billions? Peak regard
>NCE stratagem neutralized George (millions of book sales, almost NYC mayor) with academic gatekeeping and red scares
>now we get sprawl, wage stagnation (21-50% drop 73-91), 10% vacant homes while homeless freeze
>want real leftism? Read George, tax land not labor/capital, free lunch for society not parasites
>tl;dr lefties disregard econ cuz corrupted by NCE to fight wrong battles, rent is the original "free stuff" grift
>mfw Pareto optimality freezes inequality forever
>checkmate commies and neoliberals, Georgism or bust
Anonymous (ID: OL2vNbGe) No.519083670
>>519075123 (OP)
I do magic. nigger
Anonymous (ID: 1bA/8sGw) Sweden No.519083703 >>519084043
>>519075123 (OP)
>trickle down economics
>believing companies will regulate themselves
>completely ignoring the problems the tragedy of the commons presents
Yeah I'm thinking there's alot of retards on the right too.
Anonymous (ID: zKZ7WuMZ) United States No.519083765
>>519083525
He can't keep getting away with it.
Anonymous (ID: GQXpWBFG) United States No.519083898
>>519075123 (OP)
Most either grew up with wealthy parents or with a disability.
Anonymous (ID: 7Og5XLO6) United States No.519084043 >>519084414
>>519083703
>trickle down economics
>the idea is that companies will regulate each other, not themselves, but when you add 17 layers of regulations and permits, suddenly you only get companies with X amount of money, and now you can't break them up when they form cartels anymore because they're the only companies that can do Y.
>What shared limited resource are you even talking about? Life is a competition where there is no 0 sum. Work is multiplicative not addition. We can always make more than we use, tragedy of the commons is more like tragedy of the midwits that think it applies to anything in real life other than, tax money in politics
Anonymous (ID: GQXpWBFG) United States No.519084065
>>519075627
He read Adam Smith. You're better off getting it from the source than second-hand from Marx.
Anonymous (ID: yc2k9Zt7) United States No.519084089 >>519084234 >>519084331 >>519084845
>Why do they think you can get something from nothing?
Isn't that what all those keynesian capitalists are doing? Lending money from nothing and then expecting a return on investment?

Listen, I think you have the wrong idea about what leftism is about. That's okay, because the movement's been co-opted a bit, so it seems sometimes the whole world doesn't know what it is about. In short, what it's supposed to be is "anti capitalism". What do we mean by capitalism? Well, in capitalism, if you own a resource, you can profit off of it, *by simple virtue of your ownership*. If you buy a house, you can rent it out, making more money from the collected rents than you paid for on the house. You own a factory? You collect all the profits from what your workers produce, after their paycheck is given out. You got cold hard cash? You can lend it out... at interest.

The effect of capitalism, as we understand it, is that those who start out with sufficient capital can exponentially multiply their wealth, to the point that they can use it to bribe the lawmaking class, and bend the rules to their advantage. This allows them to make more wealth by immoral means if they so choose. Since we have to deal with the fallout of this, we ask to *remove the means of gaining exponential growth in wealth*.

Leftism isn't about tax the rich while they get to keep their companies.
Leftism is about taking their investment properties from them without compensation and giving it to the people who actually use it.

To put it in terms a /pol/ack might understand, we don't want the Jew to pay us a flat fee and then we fuck off. We want to remove his ability to Jew others. But also, not just the Jews.
Anonymous (ID: GQXpWBFG) United States No.519084197
>>519079862
>>519079962
Keynesian economics is retarded.
Anonymous (ID: ZOk1xaT4) Philippines No.519084199
>>519077537
based mercantilist
Anonymous (ID: w0ZTm9iJ) Germany No.519084202
>>519083554
Even if e.g. europeans grew some balls and kicked out all the brown and black people, things might run better for a while, but the situation still doesn't look rosy.
demographics are in the shitter, unless you include everyone (including white people) over 70 into the
>useless eaters who used to be banished or killed for the survival of the rest
countries like germany face massive problems when soon there will be more dependants than actually productive workers.
And if you want women to go back to the kitchen to increase the birthrate, that ratio of workers/dependants will only drop further.

Sure TECHNICALLY automation and digitalization and economy of scale have increased productivity by a large amount, in theory that single worker COULD support those dependants, not just his immediate family wife and kids, but grandma and grandpa too.
Technology has made it possible.

But the wealth generated from that productivity increase is not ending up in the normal wage slaves pockets, nor is the majority of it going to the government which could finance pension systems.
Nah, its being used to turn the current multi billionaires into future trillionaires.
Anonymous (ID: s0mXQBUF) United States No.519084205
The fake AI valuation for compute hardware infinite money hack blowing up will make the collapse of the USSR look like a minor economic hiccup
Anonymous (ID: H5n0iAB3) United States No.519084234 >>519084402
>>519084089
>the movement's been co-opted a bit
"the movement" is a complete whore for capital and you know it. You don't have to pretend.
Anonymous (ID: O8/8Rtu7) Portugal No.519084241
>>519083379
Is Freud still topical in neuroscience? Marx made contributions to the field, but economics has long since surpassed him.
Anonymous (ID: GQXpWBFG) United States No.519084295 >>519084655
>>519082305
>because in the end this will lead to victory for the nativist, nationalist side
Why is that a bad thing?
Anonymous (ID: 7Og5XLO6) United States No.519084331
>>519084089
>we want to remove his ability to jew others
>by ensuring that only the people in government get to jew others
>vote for us to be the government by the way
Anonymous (ID: n07rfbhI) No.519084373
>>519075123 (OP)
Why do you completely disregard economics? Are you a billionaire? Because otherwise you are the sucker supporting a system that is designed to rob you.
Anonymous (ID: yc2k9Zt7) United States No.519084402 >>519084576
>>519084234
Well, pretty much all mainstream politicians claiming to be leftist are whores for capital. The Democratic party are capitalist whores for sure. But I'd say I know plenty of anarchists who are decent people.
Anonymous (ID: 1bA/8sGw) Sweden No.519084414
>>519084043
>tragedy of the commons is more like tragedy of the midwits
We've managed to kill off a huge part of all the fish in the world in half a century of industrial scale fishing. Our response to the sudden lack of fish is to double down and fish even more. Fish used to be cheap as fuck, now it's more expensive than filet mignon and it will only get worse. Not to mention it's barely edible nowadays because we've dumped so much industrial waste in our waters you get a healthy serving of lead, arsenic, PFAS, microplastics and a thousand other goyslop chemicals with each fish.
Anonymous (ID: ue/WJnMa) United States No.519084523
>>519075123 (OP)
>Why do jobless pseudointellectual morons who have their heads up their own asses 24/7 have retarded beliefs and spread them as if they're factual?
Uhhhhh....i dunno.
Anonymous (ID: GjddU38r) United States No.519084563 >>519084615 >>519084740
>>519075123 (OP)
>Surely the tax cuts and corporate welfare for the rich will trickle down any decade now!
>We are good at economics!
Anonymous (ID: H5n0iAB3) United States No.519084576
>>519084402
>well, pretty much all the people who actually have power are whores for capital
>but I know plenty of retarded gutter trash egged on by the whores who are decent people
I'm sure you do.
Anonymous (ID: MtMT8jfc) United States No.519084591
>>519075123 (OP)
Leftist faggots believe in endless immigration and free shit. They want endless free shit forever and endless niggers forever. They are the biggest fucking faggots to walk the earth. Their version of a utopia is bottomless EBT cards and stimulus checks with spics opening taco shops on every fucking corner while their children get raped and killed. And then they all have a giant gay off in san francisco. I'm not even being sarcastic or hyperbolic, you can boil their entire ideology to being gay faggot immigration loving parasites. Because that's what they are.
Anonymous (ID: ue/WJnMa) United States No.519084615
>>519084563
>Surely after we remove the current sitting authority and give this new council power, the state will magically whither away!
>We are good at philosophy!
Anonymous (ID: n07rfbhI) No.519084638
>>519083200
>Trying to do an entire planned economy and abolishion of private property or something
Ironically, this is what the Capitalists are doing right now, and the cheerleaders are pretending the red scare tactics work on anyone who is paying attention. We're already in red "communist" hell at the moment and it's just going to get worse.
Anonymous (ID: O8/8Rtu7) Portugal No.519084655 >>519085209 >>519086613
>>519084295
If you read the rest of that article :
>the salience of the immigration issue is high in some places with very few immigrants. Why is that?
>In the counties where Trump has been getting the most votes, the big predictor is the destruction of manufacturing jobs. It is not the inflow of migrants from Muslim countries or wherever. This is just wrong.
>We see the same in France. There were, historically, among Jean-Marie Le Pen voters, people who were clearly angry at North African migrants. But today, the party of his daughter Marine le Pen, the National Rally, draws its voters mainly from small cities with no migrant population, where the real issue is opposition to European trade policy and the offshoring of jobs. These voters are saying β€œOur main problem is trade competition. Whether it’s from Turkey, from China, from Algeria, from Mexico is not the issue. The issue is that we are losing jobs.”
The reality is that there's no winning to be had on that front, because ending immigration won't fundamentally change that economic reality. I'm sure there's plenty of people, though, who are quite happy if you think otherwise.
Anonymous (ID: GQXpWBFG) United States No.519084740
>>519084563
>I base my understanding of economics on a joke I've never heard, from a humorist I've never heard of
wew
Anonymous (ID: 8AxNCvg3) United States No.519084770 >>519085990
>>519075552
The leftist has no ethics. By definition leftism is objectively evil.
Anonymous (ID: FZg2ojkU) United States No.519084840
>>519083239
>There are a lot of decent lefties
if they were decent they would respect other people instead of trying to taken advantage of everyone
Anonymous (ID: n07rfbhI) No.519084845
>>519084089
How dare you make sense :)
Anonymous (ID: GQXpWBFG) United States No.519085209
>>519084655
>jobs disappear
>foreigners show up to compete for remaining jobs, driving down wages and driving up housing costs & taxes
Have you ever considered listening to the people? Economics aside, who would want their once-homogenous community to get filled with people who openly reject their way of life and cause friction?
Anonymous (ID: MtMT8jfc) United States No.519085309
>>519083200
A certain painter fixed all of these problems for your people. And to this day you're all taught from birth to hate him and shun his name out of shame. He built the garden of eden on earth and the entire world went to war to tear it down. And for all of prosperity you and your children's children will be taught by the elite to never try and leave the plantation ever again. It doesn't matter what form of government you bitch and cry about, were all brothers and sisters in chains now.
Anonymous (ID: R/D4Iqt+) Uruguay No.519085368
>>519082305
>He clearly has done more than a book review.
Call it whatever you want, The Capital is a terrible book economics wise and any derivate of it is of the same condition as a result.

The statement you quoted is him basically saying to avoid disussing something. No, we can discuss whatever the fuck we want to discuss. It's a very ambiguous argument that in the end is him whinning about a subject he doesn't like to discuss because, on his own admission, will lead to his opponents being right.
Anonymous (ID: 7Og5XLO6) United States No.519085387 >>519085814 >>519086472
>>519081488
You inspired me anon, thank you.
Anonymous (ID: n07rfbhI) No.519085634
>>519082486
>The jews recognized that his work could be weaponized
Not unlike Ayn Rand (Alisa Rosenbaum), although you can argue she volunteered to have her bullshit weaponized so she could have a state-subsidized life and be a degenerate weirdo.
Anonymous (ID: PItvxhYj) United States No.519085814
>>519085387
Prooooooooh :DDD
Oh wait
Anonymous (ID: dkf0r1Ok) Australia No.519085900
>>519077814
Top left IS how capitalism works though
Don't look up how the difference in CEO earnings and employee earnings now compared to the difference in prior decades lmao
Anonymous (ID: /9z/Hwv0) United States No.519085990
>>519084770
That’s wrong. The leftist code is their ethics:
> be gay
> abort babies
> do drugs
> above all else advance political leftism
Anonymous (ID: 8AxNCvg3) United States No.519086252 >>519091128
>>519083669
>>want real leftism? Read George, tax land not labor/capital, free lunch for society not parasites
Sounds like a scheme to bankrupt farmers who lose money on their production without subsidies. It's a convenient idea to try to deter someone from just buying property to turn over a piece of property. But then again, we already have property taxes and they don't do that at all. What are you going to do? Keep raising property taxes until it works? Cool, John Smith who works a 9-5 doesn't have the money for that? Are you going to restrict it to only large plots of land? Cool. Farmer bob who has to go into debt just to buy a new tractor so he can harvest his land now has to deal with an even greater tax burden. Then Rabbi Fink or some other kike buys up the farmland and turns it into strip malls anyways.
>>now we get sprawl, wage stagnation (21-50% drop 73-91), 10% vacant homes while homeless freeze
Imagine blaming the tax policy and not the failure in zoning laws or immigration policies in place since 1980. Imagine not blaming the niggers who flooded the inner cities, committed more crimes, and as a result whites moved to suburbs to escape.

Moreover, "land values" like all value have quite a bit of subjective. You can get a different value from a different appraiser. The tax man will favor the appraiser who estimates the highest value every time rather than what someone could reasonably sell it for.
>sprawl
With current property tax rates, there are many people who already have to move away from areas due to increasing "land values" causing an increase in property taxes. The only places to move are further away from those areas to more affordable areas. This requires more housing. Since the movement is often not big enough at first to justify multi-unit buildings, it will usually be single family homes on a few acres of affordable land. And then eventually the cycle repeats as prices increase again until people cannot bear the costs and it repeats again.
Anonymous (ID: VRW9w3AX) United States No.519086472
>>519085387
Wow that elephant sure has a strange looking nose...
Anonymous (ID: H5n0iAB3) United States No.519086613
>>519084655
>people see other neighbor's job offshored at an alarming rate
>this means they cannot be upset when the government tries to import an entire subclass of slaves to take other people's jobs
I think this Piketty guy is up his own academic ass.
Anonymous (ID: /y9qac3b) United States No.519087221 >>519089452
>>519077814
>How socialist think capitalism works
And they're right, lmao
Anonymous (ID: D37ju+4x) United States No.519087322
>>519081666
Reddit spacing
Anonymous (ID: e3ZKwiNB) United States No.519087466
>>519077814
>temporarily embarrassed billionaire
Anonymous (ID: uU5GkJDL) Brazil No.519088806 >>519089230
>>519075123 (OP)
>Why do they think you can get something from nothing?
They don't think, that's the problem. They just want what they were promised: the free shit by the Nanny State. Besides Math is Racist.
Anonymous (ID: n07rfbhI) No.519089230 >>519089304
>>519088806
>They don't think
So, what do you think is the problem? Or do you not think as well?
Anonymous (ID: dkf0r1Ok) Australia No.519089304
>>519089230
Personally I generally try not to think
If I think I'm in big trouble
Anonymous (ID: 8AxNCvg3) United States No.519089452 >>519090658
>>519087221
Lets consider the fact that at least 13% of the population pumps out kids in spite of being in the bottom 40% while collecting welfare payments.
Anonymous (ID: OXor4Fic) United States No.519089518
Profit is theft
Anonymous (ID: i1yQGWq5) United States No.519089561 >>519090088
>>519075123 (OP)
>why does the left-
>same retards talking about why nazi nationalization is absolutely essential to society

All commies from all political alignments must die.
Anonymous (ID: n07rfbhI) No.519090088
>>519089561
So, what's your solution? Kill 95% of the planet? Do you live in New Zealand now?
Anonymous (ID: rfV3pSuj) United States No.519090271
>>519082486
He just didn't want to work. Or more to the point he didn't like having a boss. And there will always be people like this. All they do is have children. Thats the only contribution to the world they give. They don't help raise the child they make the mother work. And she will most likely leave him on her own to raise the child by herself.

Whats sick is its people like this who are currently running the world.
Anonymous (ID: /y9qac3b) United States No.519090658 >>519091112
>>519089452
>13% = bottom 20% + second 20% + middle 20%
>13% of the population = 60% of the population
Actual retard.
Anonymous (ID: 8AxNCvg3) United States No.519091112 >>519092050
>>519090658
Imagine thinking that the niggers, with an average income of $20k per year is anywhere close to being in the top 60% of incomes. I'm being generous by stating they're in the bottom 40%.
Anonymous (ID: SG/MPshU) United States No.519091128
>>519086252
>Sounds like a scheme to bankrupt farmers
You misunderstand. A Georgist land value tax system only taxes the raw land value which is mostly community-created windfalls from roads and cities popping up. Farmers get a tax cut on their actual work, land prices crash speculators can't hoard it for free. No more debt spirals for Bob buying gear; he thrives and subsidies are obsolete in a fair system. And John Smith? Thats every person working 9-5 getting taxed on every breath. LVT swaps that for zero income/sales/capital gains tax, wages skyrocket as land monopolies shatter.
Anonymous (ID: /y9qac3b) United States No.519092050
>>519091112
You still need to account for the other 27% of the population, are they black people too?
Anonymous (ID: 9sQ5zfLQ) United States No.519092192
Everyone thank Japan for solving all of Marx's listed problems over 70 years ago and preserving capitalism for all eternity
Anonymous (ID: ugysxfyw) Brazil No.519092392
I love how people worry about socialism when everything is falling apart right now
Anonymous (ID: x+Sgabjh) United States No.519092550
Marxism is Talmudism. They're one and the same. Communist consciousness is ein sof.
Anonymous (ID: zt5T1UWr) United States No.519092759
>get something from nothing

the whole marxist mentality is based on jew magic, look at how they just print money to create value out of nothing