Thread 519078140

Is gerrymandering a thing in other countries besides the US?

republicans doing shit like this but don't seem to care that within 30 years once all the gen x boomers die, there will be an impenetrable wall of leftism from the decades of ZOG jewish globalist immigration policy that replaced everybody in the country with browns

they will literally revert everything any republican ever accomplished

>>519078141
this is what your political mind looks like when you get all your information from /pol/. this nation is so fucked.

>>519078140 (OP)
Let me guess what will happen. Americans will flee and spread their BS all over the world. The nuclear annihilation can’t come soon enough.

>>519078141
?
Republicans are the main party across all generations besides younger millennials and browns are mostly reactionary wignats

>>519078143
We have the internet now retard we don't need to physically go to your shitholes to fuck them up.

>>519078140 (OP)
we don't even have the single member constituency system which allows this to happen so it's impossible at the moment

well technically it is possible for senate elections but the borders are pretty rigid based on administrative divisions. compare counties (left) and electoraldistricts (right)
there are other issues such as some districts being over and some over represented

>>519078146
How is the lower house elected?

>>519078140 (OP)
Those seats are not guaranteed. They're actually taking a risk by spreading out the democrats more, resulting in many seats with slim margins, which can be swung later.
The main principle of gerrymandering is called "packing", aka packing some seats as close to 100% with the opposing party, making them waste votes. This is where the main advantage of gerrymandering lies. Then, the rest of the seats can have easy majorities for your party, since you've essentially deleted a large percentage of the opposition's voting capacity state-wide.
But when you're no longer packing, you're no longer wasting their votes properly, and you can not be sure that you have an overall advantage anymore...

>>519078140 (OP)
Its amazing its even possible to gerrymander North Carolina more than it already is.

whatever, Democrats will retake the NC Supreme Court in 2028 and order new maps anyways.

>>519078140 (OP)
americans are so fucking lucky

>>519078149
It's not possible. Many of the republican seats had razor thing margins. When you spread out the voters from the packed blue seats with easy margins they mights just flip many of the red seats they were pushed into. In conclusion these redraws are retarded high risk plays.

>>519078140 (OP)
We just have a terrible electoral/governing system all around. Curse of stability, we're stuck with a system created in 1789 and its effectively impossible to amend the constitution. The focus is put on the electoral college but that's not even close to the most egregious part
>Single member districts elected by a mere plurality in most states rather than proportional representation
>State governments get authority to draw the districts for federal elections
>Bicameral legislature with the upper house having districts that wildly vary in population
>upper house needs 60% of the vote to pass anything with a few exceptions leading to everything being crammed into those few exceptions
>presidential system
>if the president and both houses of legislature can't agree on a funding bill the government shuts down

>>519078147
in districts with D'hondt method. Although obviously it favors the large popular parties when you have district sizes as small as 7 seats. the regional distinction is meaningless nowadays with the "electoral tourism" of some party candidates and there's a 5% national treshold which is just the biggest bullshit out there

Packing on the left, the current situation in the South. It's risky for republicans to break some of them open...

>>519078154
is it risky? is it really

>>519078151
The Charlotte district is ridiculously packed already, it does not have a single precinct that voted for Trump. Raleigh and Durham are similar, gotta be difficult cracking them without putting any Republican seats at risk

>>519078155
Yes. The map you posted is something completely different btw (moving seats between states based on population numbers).

>>519078155
A lot of the 2024 Trump voters didn't even bother voting for Republicans on the same ballot.

Its difficult to be say that all the low information voters who turned out for him are going to continue turning out for Republicans in the future.

>>519078156
Oof.

>>519078140 (OP)
Jerry what? Can your woke speak.

>>519078148
they know theyre about to get steamrolled in a landslide, all that matters is that they can steal the midterms. if it starts looking bad again before the next presidential election theyll start screeching for a quarter-decade redistricting for 2027.

>>519078141
Wait until you realize that once whites are a minority, hispanics will take up the conservative mantle because they also hate blacks.

>>519078140 (OP)
Its there's no VRA, Illinois and New York can draw maps where every district includes NYC/Chicago.

>>519078162
Maybe, but also as soon as Hispanics got to 45% Republican voting Republicans decided to satisfy their nativist urges so maybe not now.

>>519078160
my woke can speak what

>>519078161
A last ditch effort all around (for now) then. I mean, on the current course of both parties.

>>519078164
mexicans here hate mexicans in mexico and REALLY hate any other lower central/south americans. they dont want them here either

>>519078163
Illinois is already almost as Gerrymandered as possible. New York could get some more seats for Dems, but not enough to make up for the seats they'll lose in the South.

>>519078153
>he regional distinction is meaningless nowadays with the "electoral tourism" of some party candidates
What is electoral tourism?

>>519078140 (OP)
The TX2 congress district in Houston used to be hilarious. The current one is more reasonable though.

>>519078168
>Illinois is already almost as Gerrymandered as possible
With VRA, not without.

>>519078170
Why are you so obsessed with Republican politics

>>519078140 (OP)
No, most other democracies have electoral laws that are more recent and specifically designed to avoid this.

>>519078172
There's at least two Finns in this thread because
>>519078170
is not me.

>>519078175
thats the deep states fault

We might as well just stop having congressional elections and just have state governments appoint a delegation like we used to do with the Senate.

Technically without VRA you wouldn't even have to have congressional districts anymore, you could just elect them all at large. So you wouldn't even have to bother with gerrymandering.

>>519078140 (OP)
They don't even need to gerrymander. Retarded Americans leaves red states because of abortion rules, economic reason, etc. And then inexplicably vote Republicans again in their new blue-ish state.

If that fucking country doesn't have nukes, and if the global economy isn't so interconnected, everyone would have just laughed at them.

>>519078169
some party member starts from region they have no relation to. they're just popular so they start in that region so they get easier seat access or encourage more people to vote for them

>>519078179
That's the opposite of what's happening. The states increasing population are mostly red states, especially in the South. Lots of the people moving in are liberal northern carpetbaggers, which is why the GOP is desperately trying to gerrymandering away their electoral gains.

>>519078181
all the transplants ive spoken to are rich boomers on retirement who exclusively vote republican.

>>519078140 (OP)
It was what started the civil rights movement in Northern Ireland in the 60's. The unionist government had gotten so overbearing that a Catholic majority city like Derry did not return a single Nationalist minister.

>>519078181
>The states increasing population are mostly red states, especially in the South.
Gracias Mexico

>>519078141
this

>>519078155
why does nobody want to live in blue states?

>>519078140 (OP)
It's a thing in every country that has first past the post single representative districts.
If you don't want gerrymandering you need to have larger districts in which a whole bunch of representatives are elected at once through proportional systems, which is what most countries use for a reason.

>>519078140 (OP)
>the confederacy is still alive and well
then where can I find a racist blonde redneck girl with big fat tits and a strong accent that I can in a barn?

>>519078188
they're all brown.

>>519078182
Same here. I'm from Montana, and there's always been fear mongering about out of staters turning MT blue, but the majority of people moving here (especially post covid) are upper middle-class older conservatives. Used to be a purple state with a fruitful melding in the middle, now most people are miggers obsessed with culture war retardation.

>>519078186
i've seen people say that housing market is insane and everyone is a nimby

>>519078191
yes thats basically how it is. boomer property investors destroy the housing market wherever they go and fight tooth and nail against new construction that isnt more mcmansions because itll make dey prawperty go down

>>519078191
In NYC, it's impossible to build outward, so the only solution is to build upwards. But that takes a long time. In California, yes the housing market in the big 3 cities (LA, San Francisco, San Diego) are insane. Other places like Sacramento, not really. That guy is retarded, because blue states are the only worthwhile states to live in and where most people live. They have the better jobs, culture, nature, entertainment, etc etc.

>>519078140 (OP)
I still think dems are going to sweep solely because it will be undeniable that trumps retardation did in fact ruin the american economy by then.

>>519078191
Nimbyism is more of a general boomer thing than a liberal thing. In cities like SF, Seattle, and Boston--it makes since that most of the NIMBYs would be liberal.

>>519078194
That's basically what already happened in 2008 with Bush, and then again in 2020 after Trump derailed the economy. Americans (mostly Republicans) have the memory of a goldfish and chose to elect the guy who almost killed the country, again.

>>519078140 (OP)
Yanks are so fucked. The entire country is so hostile towards each other.

>>519078196
I think Obama winning did brain break boomers for some reason. So much totally not racist they swear animus is still completely tied to Obama. Even hatred for Biden is barely concealed hatred for Obama.

>>519078197
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>>519078197
The internet isn't real life. Most people get along fine.

>>519078197
What's funny is that it's literally the doing of a dozen or so entertainment executives. Russia has always been trying to make us hate each other (they used to buy newspaper printers and print fake shit in the 70s/80s/90s). Im not saying they aren't to blame, but it's the executives who are constantly promoting hate, hostility, etc, because that's what makes money. Zoomers are glued to their streamers, and boomers are glued to cable news, and both of them are constantly trying to make you addicts

>>519078198
My boomer parents were pretty spiteful towards Obama, but not outright hateful until a few years back when right-wing conspiracy theories (gishgallop) started filling their airwaves. They hated how he bailed out the auto-industry (but kept silent when Trump bailed out the farmers for a record breaking 3x more)


The thing is, Americans are living in two different worlds. Both realities can be correct (although Republicans are typically more lying/tricking their audience) But they will never know.

>>519078201
>>519078198
For all people complain about boomers, they actually voted for Trump less than Gen Xers. My own parents swung left after he took over the GOP. Old people dying off isn't going to save the Dems unless they can prevent zoomer men from chudding out.

>>519078191
That would indeed be accurate.

It's also worth noting that Republicans in blue states are even more NIMBY than the Democrats, while in the south both parties will unanimously vote for YIMBY reforms in many cases
>>519078193
>They have the better jobs, culture, nature, entertainment, etc etc.
But not housing, and that may actually outweigh the rest. A lot of the sun belt cities are fine places for young professionals, they're a bit generic but there's jobs and entertainment which is why they manage to attract people from other regions

>>519078202
Zoomer men's main source of entertainment = streamers. They are basically the equivalent of Oprah and other day-time talk shows to stay-at-home housewives in the 80s and 90s. Streamers are making millions, not from Trump, but because our entertainment industry did a 180 in the past 5 or 6 years. Lots of them will contribute that to Trump. Plus, they aren't bound to any sort of professionalism, etc, so they will continue saying whatever they want and chudding out for Trump and other right-wingers.

Plus, there's a whole slue of other issues not being addressed for zoomers. Our entire economy was sold out to the Chinese and the executives before they were even born, so they have no choice but to stew in anger.

>>519078204
At some point the rubber has to hit the road. If Trump's in power in both instances where their lives went to shit (COVID and now) no amount of a cockroach farmer saying things are based into a camera is going to convince them it's someone else's fault.

>>519078203
The increase of interstate competition via deregulation in the 80s and 90s killed medium sized towns in what are now red states. You drive in those towns, and see these beautiful buildings that used to be important. Headquarters of important industries. Now it's just....nuthin. Everything moved to a handful of cities.

>>519078140 (OP)
We used to have it in Northern Ireland

>>519078205
Trump's personality cult is truly 3rd world tier and at this point is totally detached from anything he actually does. It doesn't matter if he tries to run in 2028, he'll still dominate American politics until he's in a coffin, which I figure will happen in one of 3 ways:

>heart attack after eating McDonalds
>shot by an autistic troon
>poisoned by JD Vance and passed off as natural causes

>>519078206
Places that don't have an economic reason to exist will decline and die off. That's not a bad thing.

People don't have a reason to live in these towns, so they move to where there is opportunity. That's just people forging their own destiny, nothing can or should be done to prevent this.

>>519078209
They have an economic reason to exist. Hundreds of thousands of people live in the area and purchase goods and services. Knoxville, Tennessee, for example, hasn't been relevant since the 70s. States used to be very regulated on what can do business and where. Now, not so much. Instead of a city with its own personality, you basically have a pot of consumers. That's the status quo for a lot of Red States, and is what I think what people really mean when they say Red States are lifeless, or just charades. Texas is one of the only Red States that didn't deregulate as hard as other Red States, so there's still somewhat of a dependency feeling.

That's what I'm saying. The reason moved to another city. Look at a Red State's typical middle sized town, and its main employer will be the local hospital or school. Always. This is a new phenomenon that began in the 90s.

An all out gerrymandering war ends up being a wash, and that's with purple states of Wisconsin, NC, Georgia being gerrymandered in favor of the Republicans, which the continuation of is dependent on Republicans winning state government elections.

Does anyone ITT realize that the reverse is happening? There was legislation that literally forced certain states to give niggies a free rigged vote, but never the other way around. We're finding out that the entire system was secretly built to artificially boost Democratic niggerdom for decades now and it was all kept totally hush, even by compliant Republicans who just accepted their cuckery.

>>519078210
>you basically have a pot of consumers
That's what cities are.

>>519078210
Small towns of dying nationwide. Just look at the ones in upstate NY or downstate IL. It's part of the shift to a service economy and it happens in developed countriee globally.

>>519078211

Congress is a joke and should be dissolved anyway. POTUS is all you need for the federal level, he will build the bureaucracy, and then the states/governors get more power and oversight over their own people. Congress literally does nothing but pay themselves and other rich people at this point, I can't even sit here and say they're partisan agents because they aren't, no matter who else is in office they just sit there and build bigger spending bills while doing functionally nothing else of use.

>>519078206

Putrid take, amigo. It was the deregulation of national trade/economic protections that gutted the heartland. Pretty fucking obviously. I mean everybody in any of these dead towns knows this and remembers the day the factory went to China or Malaysia.

>>519078214

>it happens

No, it happened. This is all very new. There are basically no historical comparisons because hyperglobalization couldn't happen until:

1. transportation tech advanced to the point that shipping and getting things to places became as rapid as it is now (used to take months to get products from point A to point B rather than days/weeks)
2. nations shifted from colonial kingdoms/empires to democratic-republics with globalistic rather than nationalistic slants

This is all VERY new. And clearly, no one knows what happens after you go from industrial => services economy. No one knows. So far all we've been doing is treading water or swirling the gutter. Unemployment and underemployment continue to climb. Corporations look for cheaper and cheaper sources and become obsessed with building robots that can just do it for free. It's all perverse and anti-humane.

>>519078214
Shifting to a service economy is part of it. The other part is deciding the decrease state competition via deregulation. Instead of each state regulating industries (what America was before the 90s), you have 5 or so states where all the importance is gathered (what we have now). That's why Blue States are where people move to for jobs, and why Red States are where people move to for cheap housing. What Im saying is, it didn't have to be this way, but unfortunately it is, and now we have dead towns in red states, and expensive towns in blue states

>>519078216
Me: It was deregulation
You: It was deregulation
Uhhh

There are 186 seats in Democratic states, 170 in Republican states, 79 in purple states. Republicans dominate the governments of NC, Georgia, which has allowed them to draw favorable maps in those states which gives them an advantage, however if they are unable to hang onto those governments the advantage will end up being in favor of the Democrats.

Wisconsin's supreme court now has a liberal majority and Democrats have a chance to flip NC's court over the next 2 elections if they turn out to be unfavorable. If that happens, Republicans will no longer be able to gerrymander NC and would lose the national advantage at gerrymandering.

>>519078218
People are moving to the south for jobs. They're moving to Austin, Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, Charlotte for jobs. They're not moving to Jackson, Mississippi.

>>519078218
But most towns in blue states are struggling too. The jobs in blue states are all in major metropolitan areas because the economy is general in increasingly based in big cities.

>>519078218
If you think the south has decreased in relevance in comparison to the USA as a whole you live in an alternate reality.
>The other part is deciding the decrease state competition via deregulation
What are you talking about? What regulations?

reddit leftists shitting up this site is cancer

>>519078219

Do you mean state or national lines? The only way jobs can flood out is if we lose the national protections. The state protections are a meme in comparison.

>>519078224
So you're in favor of proportional representation? Single member districts are never going to have proportional representation and the majority is always going to be represented, you literally can't draw a Republican seat in Massachusetts.

Also, Democrats tried to pass an anti-gerrymandering law and the Republicans refused to support it.

>>519078223
>>519078222
>>519078218

Seriously. The southeast is HEAVY on the rise. Everyone is moving there, and Beyonce is larping as a country singer. Notice

>>519078224
>it's okay when I do it

This is 99% of politics anon.

>>519078226

Correction: Democrats tried to pass an "anti gerrymandering law" that surreptitiously rigged it more for them, kind of like the "independent commissions" they create in California that still give Dems 90% of congressional seats.

We're fucked. We're going to have a legit one party state filled with corporatist cucks who don't give a shit about the lower 80% of the population.

>>519078229
Again, single member districts are always going to over-represent the majority. It would do the same in any red state where districts were drawn via independent commission. That's simply how elections with single member districts are going to turn out.

If you actually cared= about the minority party in each state having representation then the solution is proportional representation. That way, when California votes 38% Republican, they would get ~38% of the seats.

>>519078175
Hawaii and West Virginia also voted unanimously

America is the only country in the world where foreigners think their opinion matters on internal politics. Not only that, foreigners actively follow every single piece of American political news like this.

>>519078230

But enough about Obama and Biden!

>>519078141
liberals are still upset about racial gerrymandering huh?

Gerrymandering is kind of a meme... Like just win your state elections consistently and you get a little boost nationally. Not that big a deal.

>>519078231

I want to dissolve Congress as clearly none of this works actually

>>519078236
It pretty much makes congressional elections pointless. Might as well just have the state government appoint congressmen.

>>519078236

Not to mention, the House is a fucking chimp show meme. Imagine actually caring about it being light blue or light red. They do nothing. They help with nothing, they only hurt somewhat by pissing away our money to their patrons. The end. The most overrated whinefest ever. In case no one noticed (Trump's admin did) they bypass Congress entirely now and just rule by EO and SC decree.

>>519078237
okay.

Rigging elections (it's not even rigging it's just countering the other party's bullshit) so my side wins is based actually.

>>519078239
yay and now we have a retard deciding tariff rates based on how he feels when he wakes up in the morning.

>>519078238
Obviously not as a lot of money and effort is spent on them every cycle. But it does redistribute the effort all to purple states which probably reduces the average person's sense of agency etc

>>519078236
Do you not know how the house of representatives works?
If one party can stack the house then it means the other party (even if they win the presidency and the senate) can't do a damn thing. Of course Trump has shown that the executive can just ignore the other branches so who knows anymore.

>>519078242
At this point it's obviouse he's 100% just manipulating the market so his family and friends can short it and get rich. The correlation of insider trading to when he announces shit is spot on.

>>519078242
crazy thing is its still better than the alternative. could you imagine how retarded the race politics would be today if they had won

>>519078234
>>519078234
Republicans crash the economy then a Democrat digs it out. Been like this since 1992. I'm wondering how bad the fuck up will be this time. The backlash will be extraordinary and deeply personal. I'm not either party. I just watch from afar. I'm betting he'll start cooking books until he can't and then he'll short everything with crypto so it goes untraceable.

>>519078246
It'd 100% be less. Trump stokes the culture war for profit just like grifters like Hasan and Kirk. Without a culture warrior at the helm it wouldn't be this bad.

>>519078246
>could you imagine how retarded the race politics would be today if they had won
I don't actually give a fuck about any of that, I just want semi-sensible economic policy and to keep right wing populists and socialists out of power.

>>519078244
If one party can stack the house nationwide then it means that party is keeping it close in most every state AND has governed well at the state level in most every state. In such a situation I would want that party to win

>>519078246
Anon are you brown.

>>519078247

Pretending like the economy wasn't already crashed is why you lost in stunning fashion as an incumbent in 2024 actually

>>519078140 (OP)
if trump actually goes through with putinisation of the us, it's gonna be such a farce
rejection/derailment of occupy wallstreet and citizens united have basically made a path for this

>>519078252
You are esl. I said wasn't in either party and harris wasn't the incumbent.

>>519078248

What this anon is saying is that he's upset that whites have actually joined the cultural war rather than getting battered and abused by "BLM" another 10 years

>>519078223
California has to tip-toe, because the decisions it makes affect global economies and policies. Georgia, Wyoming, Alabama, Tennessee,....not so much.

>What are you talking about? What regulations?
Some biggies are the
>Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act of 1994
Which allowed for NYC based banks to buy up local banks in all 50 states
>Airline Deregulation Act of 1978
Killed and bankrupted local airlines who paid good wages to locals, allowed for American Airlines and Delta to pay cheap wages across state lines, but did help cities which became hubs (Dallas, Charlotte, etc)
>Telecommunications Act of 1996
The biggy. 50+ companies owning 90% of the media in 1995 became 3 companies owning 90% of the media in 2025. This is the reason why Fox, CNN, iHeartRadio, Cox, Disney etc own every piece of media. Also why ATT, T-Mobile are so big.
>Motor Carrier Act of 1980
>Staggers Rail Act of 1980
Directly tied into the growth of Walmart, Target etc absolutely destroying smaller providers
>HMO Act of 1973
Why we have only a handful of insurance providers in America

>>519078225
Both.
>The only way jobs can flood out is if we lose the national protections.
If States lose their own protections, it will also kill their local manufacturing, industries, economies as a whole, etc. The only thing that is left are jobs for a national chain. This happens all the time in small-town America. . Walmart/Amazon, etc take advantage of national deregulation and state deregulation. They are both able to buy cheap China shit from overseas for resell, and they are also able to ship freely to any state without worry from local competition. In the past, Walmart might have to actually compete with chains which are more localized in the state.

>>519078254

Ohhhh we're at the "leftist nigger plays semantics games" stage of the argument. How fun! Only took 1 post. Your opinion is obviously very important and objective

I love all "Americans" in this thread. Jesus Christ. There is one other actual American. I'm neither party and I don't like trump but, this is why I favor shutting down all visas and immigration. You can't even have an honest discussion with these animals around.

>>519078256
>Banks
Bank of America is based in the south.
>Airlines
American Airlines and Delta are both based in the south
>telecom
CNN, ATT are in the south.
>Walmart
Also based in the south.

>>519078241
This is the shit you get with only two parties in power.

This motherfucker is pretend to be American and thought Kamala Harris was president. This is how stupid and dishonest this trash is. Kill visas and immigration. Elect who you want I don't care about that.

>>519078250
>Pack 90% of voters for one party into a single district
>Get 5/6 districts of your state to vote one party
>This is somehow close
People are sadly grouped up by voting trends more than you think. They basically just have to isolate the cities into single voting blocs and boom, easy takeover. Texas has been doing it at the state level to such a silly degree that they have somewhere around a 55/45 split in their states vote but their legislature is like 70% republicans.

>>519078261
Is pretending.* Now he's hopping around flags. We can not let human trash like this in even for education or asylum. They act like this online, imagine In person in groups.

>>519078256
>Georgia
You named multiple companies in your post that are based in Georgia.

>>519078261

>DUDE THEY FORCED THE SITTING INCUMBENT TO STEP DOWN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY AND SIMPLY REPLACED HIM WITH HIS OWN VP IT'S TOTALLY NOT AN INCUMBENCY

one bullet to your brain please

>I'm a rad centrist "big brain" that bought into the "Dems build economics and Republicans crash them" lie literally pooped out by hard left leaning legacy media for decades now
>please take me very seriously you could only ever find these takes on [90% of mainstream media sources]

>>519078247
>Been like this since 1992.
longer than that. its literally their strategy to completely wreck everything on their last year in office and then blame it on the democrats. ever notice how all the bad stuff in 2020 got retconned to be bidens fault?

>>519078256
This is such an absurd argument you're making. You arguing that USA is economically centralized when in reality its the opposite, USA is uniquely economically de-centralized relative to most countries.

>>519078267

Ohhh yeah I remember Trump letting in those 30 million retards and not Biden, thanks for the correction

>>519078262
Who's "they"? I live in Illinois and it is gerrymandered just fine. We were talking about how gerrymandering, in general, affects House control, which is determined by elections in all states

>>519078152
>>State governments get authority to draw the districts for federal elections
That's something that the state governments should be able to do as per the 10th amendment.
>>presidential system
What's the problem with that? Personally, I think executive orders are bullshit, but other than that it's fine.
>>if the president and both houses of legislature can't agree on a funding bill the government shuts down
Can you propose alternatives without distorting the balance of power between the branches of the government?

>>519078267
What are you talking about? Biden LITERALLY created Covid.

Only people with PHDs in economics from top 20 Universities should be allowed to vote.

>>519078270
Yes, and under current leadership Republicans (they) are attempting a gerrymandering spree unlike any I've seen in my lifetime. Even if the other party also does it and it evens out we now have situations where upwards of half the population is just competely unrepresented. That's not democracy, that's a two party state mandated autism.

>>519078272
the famous 「バイデン・ブラスト」

>>519078259
Doesn't matter for local jobs in Alabama or Wyoming when a company in another state basically kills your local airlines, does it? You just joined the conversation and have no idea what we are talking about. Read the thread before opening your cocksucker, dumdum.

>>519078264
Georgia GDP: $600 billion
San Francisco GDP: $700 billion
Los Angelas GDP: $1.2 trillion

That's just reality. Im not even saying that's a particular good thing, or saying that as a "gotcha". That's just the world we dug ourselves into. In an alternate reality, maybe we wouldn't have had all the tech companies park themselves in California. In a perfect world, they would be more spread out between the states.

Maybe I was a bit too pedantic, or maybe you are a bit too literally. California's tech companies in particular can make or break the global economy. Georgia's Coca-Cola or Chik-Fil-A headquarters, again, not so much. They are playing at different playing fields. They are worried about different things.

>>519078271
>An alternative
Previous year budget rolls over temporarily on a month by month basis until an agreement is reached.

>avid consumer of CBS, ABC, NPR, CNN, and reddit
>wow, it's just uncanny, every time Republicans control the government, they are doing everything possible way more evilly and worse than Democrats! Everything was peaceful and quiet before
>I need to let my friends on /int/ know about this crazy development

>>519078273
econ is populated with the following retards
>shady jews
>finance bros who think they're smart
>failed nerds who aren't smart enough for math/physics
>genuine psychopaths

>>519078216
It's insane to me that California in 2025 now has the most manufacturing output. I wonder if it's just simply due to the eastern states losing all that mid and low level manufacturing to China and Mexico. IIRC I think most manufacturing in California is for expensive shit like aircraft, tech etc. Texas is holding on to a fair bit of it's manufacturing too.

>>519078274
I see what you're saying that it makes the state elections more important

>>519078266
yes yes we know you do your OWN RESEARCH (read: getting all your news from ai generated videos on tiktok by Brahmin_Warrior_1488)

>>519078277
That has the potential of the government literally going bankrupt as they can continue accumulating debt indefinitely until they default since no debt ceiling can be raised during a shutdown.

>>519078281
It's always been important, but the problem is it loses it's importance when the party in charge can just artificially silence a huge portion of the voter base. There's not really a turning back from this unless there's a huge upset. Texas won't go blue unless it reaches a terminal point where like 60% of the population votes blue or something. Up until then it will be a Red dominated state, democracy be damned.
And of course the same holds true for Blue states that gerrymander out the ass as well. But they're weak little bitches more often than not so they'll just go down with a whimper most likely.

>>519078246
Everyone was already burnt out on identity politics by the time the election happened and even the governor of California makes fun of trannies now. Hell, most Mexicans and Indians are now chuds.

>>519078283
Yes, and it would be a fitting result that would ideally motivate the retards in charge to stop culture warring and start thinking about the people and the spending.

>>519078279
One of those fields that has to deal with intractibly complicated systems

>>519078286
>politicians thinking about the people and their tax dollars
good one

>>519078287
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0qmkQGqpM8

>>519078288
Then we go off the cliff and the people can finally see what they've been voting for.
Either way we've gone too long without suffering real consequences and it's made our elitist class a bunch of children playing around with money and poor people's livelihoods.

>>519078284
Of course there is a way back: Win state elections and change the districts again. And of course none of this applies to senate or presidency

>>519078276
>Georgia GDP: $600 billion
>San Francisco GDP: $700 billion
>Los Angelas GDP: $1.2 trillion
Are you under the impression that California having a higher GDP per capita than the southern states is a new thing? Its always been the case, the gap is much closer now than it used to be. There's way more jobs in NC and Georgia than there were in 1990, today there are people moving from the Northeast to NC and Georgia for work, that was very rare 30 years ago. No one in the world can compete with SF Bay Area as a tech hub, that doesn't mean there's no jobs in Atlanta and Charlotte.

>>519078289
I do think economists try to make things simpler. Solow growth model is simple for example, too simple, tries to distill large chunks of human history and psychology down into some algebra

>>519078291
Did you read what I said? You'd need some supermajority under thos conditions to win state elections. Something that most states never do in their history. And that would be made even worse by the fact that the party in charge could simply twist media messages because they have no oversight. Hell you're seeing attempts at it as it is. Using government resources to blame Democrats for the shut down trying to be pushed in airports. The partisan bullshit has gone to explosive degrees under current Republican leadership.
And the dynamic will extend up to the federal level. Whatever party is in charge has the abillity to then punch down on the state governments that aren't in their camp. You're seeing that too right now.

>>519078294
Really it's the natural conclusion to electing a culture warrior retard to the highest office. There is no care for moral backbone, only for winning.

>>519078280
They passed a lot of laws in the mid 2010s to encourage American manufacturing, but our current administration refuses to admit that California is a good model on how to bring manufacturers back to the USA.

>>519078292
Listen, I don't think you understand what we were talking about. Nobody was even arguing over which state is better. We were talking about how decreased competition via deregulation hurt middle sized towns in Red States. Motherfucker, I want each state to succeed.

I'm voting yes on 50

>>519078276
Georgia's GDP per capita would make it 8th in the world (excluding microstates) if it was a country, ahead of Denmark.

Saying that Georgia's economy has been left behind by deregulation is just ignorant.

>>519078294
And hell under that dynamic how long will states ran by the non-ruling party want to even stick around? If the Northeast and California see no future outside of being punching bags for a hostile federal government then what do they stand to gain by being part of the US anymore?

>>519078296
So you believe that Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh, Dallas, Houston, Austin are all in a decline caused by late 20th century de-regulation?

>>519078296
>They passed a lot of laws in the mid 2010s to encourage American manufacturing, but our current administration refuses to admit that California is a good model on how to bring manufacturers back to the USA.

Yeah Schwarzenegger and the subsequent Dem actually did a pretty good job with that. It's hilarious that the admin can literally point to a California republican fixing the state but won't because the president has a long standing feud with Schwarzenegger.

>>519078300
I wouldn't call those mid-sized, and there are multiple factors involved why mid-sized cities were seemingly left behind in the 80s and 90s. A shift toward market liberalization, via de-rgulation, allowing companies to expand across state lines and compete more freely, is one of those reasons, yes.

Trads won, libshits lost.

>>519078302
I'll give Greenville (SC), Huntsville, Charleston as examples of mid-sized southern cities that are doing well.

But other than that, a lot of it is just that people would rather live in Charlotte or Raleigh than mid-sized cities. Its people's own agency that has caused the decline of some places and rise of others. Consolidation isn't necessarily a bad thing.

>>519078303
It's over forever AGAIN

>>519078299
new england and the west especially will probably see a brutal military occupation. NE is wasp so they MIGHT not bother that hard (the admin has barely put the spotlight on them as is because they dont align with their narrative) but the west is in for a nasty next decade if things dont go their way. if they try to formally secede theyll probably be droned into oblivion

The trumpstein adult kike is a joke

Yankees circlejerking like always. Civil war when? Go bomb each others with nuclear weapons please, maybe with the russian faggots

>>519078306
Would Trump be willing to go as far as murdering innocent civilians so he can retain power and get richer? I absolutely believe so, but I don't think the average American would go that far. Republican lies can only go so far. Another repeat of Jan 6 will happen with these guys currently in office, but even then, that wasn't as far as murdering or droning a whole city.

>>519078309
Trump is almost 80 nigga

>>519078308
weird that americans would be posting in a thread about america

>>519078140 (OP)
Not as bad as the south. No legit democracy does what the south does. It's a bunch of snakes wrapped around each other on maps.

>>519078310
So what lol? He's richer than he's ever been. Greed and love of power have no age limits

>>519078310
Nothing he is doing or saying is indicating he plans on leaving. Its the exact opposite. 400 million already spent on building a new white house. A free 400 million dollar airplane for the president. Paramilitary he created in cities. Purges in the military. Soldiers in cities. Rivals and threats being arrested. He's using government funds to plaster his face everywhere. The army is everywhere in DC. He is not planning on leaving.

>>519078314
Meds.

>>519078299
>>519078306
>>519078309
>>519078314
Beautifully delusional posts from people who think anything ever happens

>>519078314
A lot of Americans have this mentality of "it couldn't happen here", and even then, it hasn't fully hit them yet, because he was "there guy" who they emotionally supported for 10+ years now.

But this shit happens all over the world in a lot of countries. Just because we are rich, fat, and well-fed doesn't mean we aren't immune to old guys deciding not to leave just because they are lawfully required. When they can say "no", who's gonna stop him?

ICE was given jurisdiction in every state; they have more money than the Coast Guard; they are buying buildings in every major city has headquarters; they are partnering with Palintir to track all citizens; they are training in urban warfare/sniper/drone, etc.

I mean the writing is on the wall for them turning into a paramilitary where they don't just go after illegal Mexicans, but anyone else Trump doesn't particular like

The average voter is in love with red team blue team bullshit but does not pay any attention to congressional primaries where the real election is decided in most cases. Basically, we’re retarded and we’re paying for it.

>I mean the writing is on the wall for them turning into a paramilitary where they don't just go after illegal Mexicans,
pure fantasy written by someone who desperately wants to be seen as a victim

>>519078317
Yeah that isn't actually going to happen. meds.

>>519078317
The question is, what happens when a judge or even the supreme court holds him or his cabinet in contempt and sends a deputized posse after them? We are on the path to civil war, but I don’t think anyone has accepted it yet.

>>519078320
>>519078319
>dude its not gonna happen
If only you knew how bad things really are

>>519078321
No one's fighting a civil war.
>what happens when a judge or even the supreme court holds him or his cabinet in contempt and sends a deputized posse after them?
Probably the same thing that happens in Latin American countries when their leaders attempt self-coups without military support.

>>519078315
Nigga I've called his entire term do far. It will be some bullshit why he has to stay in or he'll pull a Putin and be VP but actually run shit..
He's not leaving peacefully. I'm just sitting back enjoying the show like everyone else in the world.
It's like you guys are frogs gradually being boiled to death. If I told you a year ago what was happening now you'd say meds.

All he needs is a crisis and he will get one. Then after that he'll just start manufacturing them with the power he got. Maybe a terrorist attack. Who knows. It's fun to watch.

>>519078321
>>519078324
This is the same delusional shit rightoids were saying about Biden just a few years ago
>>519078322
Ok, keep me posted bro

>>519078325
I'm not either side. And he's going to leave and I'm enjoying watching this happen and predicting his next move. Chill you got no power neither do it. It is what it is.

>>519078324
What you should do is go see if some of the Kalshi and Polymarket markets look appealing

Polymarket has Trump at 3% of winning 2028 election. Not very likely

>>519078327
I have no idea what that is.
>>519078328
Why would he need to run for election

>>519078329
>Why would he need to run for election
Your retarded Steve Bannon want to have an easy puppet as a president

>>519078329
>Why would he need to run for election
Same reason Maduro does.

>>519078317
this sounds exactly like a top comment from a reddit frontpage but it's unironically true

>>519078324
All you shitlibs have done is vageupost about drumpf being voldemort you haven't "called" a goddamn thing. This aint fuckin vietnam hoss there is no way in hell trump is going to try and extend his term

>>519078331
Uh huh. He's not leaving peacefully. Keep in mind I said that in three years.

>>519078333
lol, he's still seething that he lost in 2020 and you think he'll leave without a fight?

>>519078334
I'll be expecting a long form apology essay dumbfuck

>>519078325
>Ok, keep me posted bro
Why? You're going to see it for yourself in your own lifetime. Everything in the future will be shit. Period.

Corporate-driven autocracy; the military/tech companies govern hand-in-hand; privatized internet; society heavily stratified; economy driven by crypto-currency; state-approved socialization.We are in the infant stages. The future in a few decades will look as wildly different as 2000 looked to 1950.


Palantir will be the backbone of the regime: every purchase, word, and movement you make will be tracked via devices or drones in the sky. The regime will be omnipresent, always listening and watching you. Cryptocurrency will be how to lockdown economic stratification. With a click of a button, you can be rewarded for your loyalty or punished for bad behavior. Vance will be the figurehead. But the real control will be in the tech bros who are living in their bunker somewhere or partying in elite cities

Trump is based and redpilled, that's why the swamp is afraid of him for taking action and fixing this country.

>>519078337
>Corporate-driven autocracy; the military/tech companies govern hand-in-hand; privatized internet; society heavily stratified; economy driven by speculation
We've been here for almost half a century and it has everything to do with deindustrialization and financialization.

>>519078337
>But the real control will be in the tech bros who are living in their bunker somewhere or partying in elite cities
This is more of a democrat side future. Without the globalization trump is pushing away tech bros can't do shit.
>Cryptocurrency will be how to lockdown economic stratification
Isn't the only reason crypto is secure is that it can't be tracked?

>>519078141
people have been saying this for literally decades then gen Z became the most conservative group since post WW2

>>519078337
>muh gubmint surbeillance
check
>muh police state
check
>muh j00s
check
>muh cities bad
check
>muh you sheeple cant see it only i can
check we got a schizo.

>>519078341
Don't bother. Democrats will always believe the "demographics are destiny" lie and then Republicans completely outmaneuver them by just pointing to the Constitution in front of the Supreme Court judges. Then Dems will whine and complain how the republic is being destroyed because the US isn't Europe.

>>519078186
3 separate texas metropolitan areas have each individually built more housing year over year than the entire state of california for 5 or 6 years now

>>519078343
>Democrats will always believe the "demographics are destiny" lie
US will not become like Europe who opens their doors to fighting age men, that's why Trump put stop to that and democraps will cope, seethe for stopping invaders.

>>519078344
Ah. So everyone wants to live there, but they're full. Based

>>519078323
I am fairly confident that the military would tend to side with a court order, but that’s only because the higher officers understand how retarded the president is. A majority of the enlisted voted for him. He could cause a lot of damage if he wanted to. Don’t forget he already tried this in 2020. What was the expected outcome if Pence actually did what he asked and replaced the electors?

>>519078347
Unfortunately, you're wrong.
The military will side with
>whoever is paying them
>whoever is going to throw them into Leavenworth if they object to an order
A big mistake in the whole "military doesn't have to follow illegal orders" thought process is that it assumes that officers will go
>"oh yeah, it's an illegal order, nevermind you're excused"
and not
>"sergeant, arrest this man for disobeying a direct order"
And then you're stuck in a military tribunal for however many months where a military judge will decide if the order was illegal or not. And by that point, your life is probably fucked.

>>519078347
the military will never side with people who hate them, that's why libtards lost this war

>>519078141
> WE ARE DOOOOOOOMED WHY DO YOU DO THINGS WE ARE DOOOOMED IT'S OOOOOVER WHY DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT ITS OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
Why do so many people act like this

Migacord woke up

>>519078141
people seem to think it's just going to be yidness as usual when whites are demographically disenfranchised in their own nations, but just look around right now at how volatile the demography-based politics in the US already are; when that tipping point comes, the ethnic cleansings are coming right behind it.

>>519078144
>>519078235
>>519078350
>let me tell you how your country works

>>519078140 (OP)
>We're very upset about our opposition's gerrymandering
says party in control of every single one of the most egregiously gerrymandered districts in the nation. it's all 100% bullshit politics and they're mad that their stranglehold on this particular flavor of corrupt bullshit is about to be undone.

>>519078141
2/3rds of white men under 40 and half of all latinx men under 40 voted for trump
>>519078140 (OP)
the only reason it's even a thing is due to the voting rights act or some other civil rights era law

>>519078161
a. hey tranny
b. GOP won the popular vote in the house last election and most blue districts are losing people and replacing them with illegals

>>519078152
>>Single member districts elected by a mere plurality in most states rather than proportional representation
that's not a constitution thing. that from the voting rights act or one of the other civil rights era laws
>>>State governments get authority to draw the districts for federal elections
that's a feature. states should be in charge of their elections
>Bicameral legislature with the upper house having districts that wildly vary in population
>upper house needs 60% of the vote to pass anything with a few exceptions leading to everything being crammed into those few exceptions
>presidential system
>if the president and both houses of legislature can't agree on a funding bill the government shuts down
all these things are mega based and ensure equal representation instead of shithole cities controlling the US

>>519078158
100% of low info voters vote blue
>>519078186
high taxes and tons of crime

>>519078175
even if those numbers weren't an easily debunked lie that some jewish propagandist pulled out of its ass, what do you think it would prove? most of the "top ten" in IQ, quality of life, basically every metric, are "red" upper midwest and great plains states with almost exclusively White populations and almost non-existent black populations. California, meanwhile, the fountainhead of liberal politics and culture, is ranked near the bottom or dead last on each of these metrics. Oklahoma, by the way, is 40% non-white.

>>519078163
vra doesn't affect dems because you can do retarded shit as long as it benefits blacks and mexicans
>>519078164
nativism is based and most hispanics hate illegals

>>519078170
90% of the time if you see a retarded shaped district it's to comply with the majority minority requirement from the VRA

>>519078175
mississippi has better pk-12 education than california
>>519078179
>>519078184
no one leaves red states. every red state is gaining population from the blue states. the only reason the blue states aren't losing population is because they are importing indians and illegals because the census doesn't differentiate between citizen and noncitizen

>>519078190
shalom, tranny

>>519078355
still crazy to think that 33% of white men in the US are complete and total faggot cuckolds.

>>519078328
>>519078329
he's ineligible to run again
>>519078351
shalom, tranny

>>519078317
the federal government has the sole power to create and enforce immigration laws. ICE is the mechanism to enforce immigration laws.
ICE is based as fuck

The South can't win like this. All Republicans have done is recreate what Democrats had prior to Wilson, and what they had was useless. Dixie is not a majority of the US and if Republicans choose to become the Dixiecrat party, they will completely lose as Democrats gut the Federal welfare system for state compacts such as the ones governing healthcare, education and transportation right now. Most Americans don't want the christfaggotry, the porn bans, the Israel worship or fentanyl.

Don't say you weren't warned. This is America.

>>519078359
>The numbers are a lie because I don't like them!
cope

>>519078367
democrats are more unpopular now than like any other time since reconstruction since they want to ban guns, castrate kids and open the borders
dems know Americans hate them and that's why they are trying to grant voting rights to foreigners. california and nyc already let illegals vote
>>519078368
the trump felonies thing violated his 6th amendment rights. I suspect all the rest what you posted are lies too. there hasn't been a good dem president since 1900. dems are just terrible

>>519078366
>the federal government has the sole power to create and enforce immigration laws
Certainly, but not Trump. Trump can only work within the limits imposed by Congress, which is a direct consequence of the trust between Congress and the President. Trump has made it very clear he will ignore all limits set on him and use his power to prosecute his perceived enemies, starting with his allies James Comey and John Bolton who up until now only ever helped him avoid prosecution. Comey litterally shut down the Democrats' investigation into Trump when they had the power to remove him, and Trump rewards him with jail.

Trump is not a king and if Trump can't behave like an adult, Americans have a right to Veto the government until the next election. Democrats are doing that just now, while Republicans squirm and avoid the uncomfortable truth about Trump's ties to Israel and Epstien, which are under investigation by Paul and Massie. Trump cannot stop the 2026 election, Trump cannot stop Kentucky from re-electing Massie, and Trump cannot stop Paul from reading out the Epstien Client List on the Senate floor as they are all Constitutionally protected.

>>519078369
>democrats are more unpopular now
Democrats are more popular than Trump's economy. Inflation is up 8% this year, beef is up 15% and McDonalds is up 30%. It's the economy, stupid.

>>519078349
the military is full of minorities

>>519078368
>The numbers are a lie
(You) are the one lying by posting fake and/or irrelevant stats to fabricate imaginary success of liberal policies that doesn't exist in reality.

>>519078373
Biden didn't bomb Iran. Trump bombed Iran and is now threatening to occupy Palestine to enforce his security deal. And, he is forcing soldiers to do it for free now LOL

>>519078370
>comey
>ally
he let clinton commit treason and then hid the evidence and then posted that he wanted trump murdered on ig or twitter or whatever
you are clearly a tranny. Trump is just enforcing the law and removing criminal invaders, which is based. criminal invaders have no place in the US.
Also trump isn't on a list. if he was the dems would have leaked it
>>519078371
dems are crazy unpopular because they shat up the economy, intentionally and the inflation was intentionally caused by president autopen because dems work for china and hate the US

>>519078374
based, fuck other countries

>>519078375
>he let clinton commit treason and then hid the evidence and then posted that he wanted trump murdered on ig or twitter or whatever
Who cares, he didn't stand in the way of Trump indicting her. Trump didn't even try to lock her up. But Comey went in front of Democrats and stopped their investigation dead cold. You're a fucking retard, Comey literally went to Congress and told Democrats to their faces that Trump wasn't a criminal. Now Trump wants to give him 15 in Federal prison for protecting him. The same for Bolton who is now facing charges too, even though he sold Democrats on Trump's foreign policy.

Until last week James Comey was the most hated Republican in America. Now, Democrats are funding his legal defense. Trump has successfully turned his closest allies into his enemies for Israel.

>>519078376
You will be the one being mobilized and sent to Palestine, if Trump has his way. No military pay means no new soldiers, which means conscription. Only takes a majority vote by Congress and the votes are there with Vance's vote.

>>519078377
comey literally allowed clinton to get away with the same crime other people were charged with treason for by saying she was too retarded to understand. he tried to rig the 2016 election and the fbi/cia lied about hunters laptop to try to rig the 2020 election
>>519078378
every draft in US history was done by the dems, tranny. only dems believe in slave armies

>>519078378
you lost, cry about it

>>519078141
good desu

>>519078353
>implying all amerisharts ITT agree with you

>>519078235
racial gerrymandering is enforced by law
>>519078382
nta but you live in a third world country

>>519078190
This, fucking happened in Texas too. We were Democratic in the 90s before settling into moderate Republican development focused politics and now hypersocialist coastal young people moving to Austin and old conservative miggers have really fucked everything up in their death struggle over the culture war. Unfortunately the MIGAs are winning while our state rots an ever faster rate

>>519078384
what's it like being a tranny?
the last time texas voted for a democrat president was jimmy carter in 1976
since 1979 texas has only had 2 democrat governors, both single term with the last one being elected in 1991
the last time texas elected a democrat senator was 1988 and that guy was an incumbent from the 1970s
meanwhile, since you are a tranny, you want beto, ban and confiscate all guns and open the borders, o'roark

>>519078231
He doesn't want that because that means his team doesn't ever have a chance of winning the majority of seats there. Whereas with gerrymandering, he could potentially one day have the supreme court force the state government to draw a Republican-electing powerhouse map

>>519078226
>>519078229
>>519078231
>>519078386
single member districts are mandated federally by like the voting rights act or some other civil rights era law

>>519078140 (OP)
Black folks need to rise up again timmies.

>>519078140 (OP)

I didn't even realize that gerrymandering was a thing outside of NYC, where democrats have been using it against each other for years, then I see them bitching about it again only it was in Texas.