Thread 519091218

Can Catholics explain in rational terms why they actually think this dude is infallible and can never be wrong about anything ever?

>>519091218 (OP)
Only when he is sitting in the Pope Chair. If he stands up, its over.

>>519091297
pope in pope chair: dick butt asshole i love penis
catholics: OH YES OF COURSE WE LOVE PENIS
pope outside of pope chair: dick butt asshole i love penis
catholics: heretic! blasphemy! sodomy! sedevacantism now!

>>519091218 (OP)
romish papist cult has a stranglehold over the cult members, they can't break free from the conditioning and become real Christians

>>519091218 (OP)
they don't.

Bait thread

>>519091218 (OP)
>Pope Leo
>Giant pussy

>>519091505
>>519091509
>papal infallability
They literally do.

>>519091218 (OP)
Hey all, John Catholicism here, no one thinks that, the church is no different than any other company for profit.

>>519091218 (OP)
Catholics don't think it, retard.

>>519091648
you should learn more about it

Papal infallibility is only used in rare circumstances, mostly to settle a dispute. It has only been used twice in history. It does not mean: "anything the pope says is now an official teaching of the church that can never be questioned."

>>519091218 (OP)
Simple you just don't always agree what he says and do.
The pope is not some charakter from 40k

>>519091747
It's called "ex cathedra", where catholics literally think if the Pope sits in St. Peter's chair anything he says is divinely inspired law.

Of course, I don't allude to it because it's called fucking stimulating discussion in the OP. 4th grader shit. You can't comprehend that either

>>519091218 (OP)
It seems many poor Americans have their mom or daughter working as prostitute to pay the bills. How many of you chuds have family members in prostitution business? This is not to own you or anything. This is to acknowledge the grim reality and give it some introspection so that whole humanity can stop this menace, not just for White people.

>>519091218 (OP)
Only when he speaks ex cathedra. That hasn’t happened in your lifetime.

>>519091850
it's more complicated than that too

>>519091505
This.

>>519091945
Dude, you eat poop. As a religious practice

>>519091218 (OP)
God allowed him to be there.

Unfortunately, much to chagrin of Copernicus, Vesalius, Galieo, Newton and the other greats of science, the oxycodone scientific paper has proved that the requirement of repeatability, as simple as it is, can be corrupted. Science is the source of all truth now. The best attempts of profiteers have only delayed truth.

>>519091786
oh so it's just a backup option for when the pope decides it's time to be infallible

>>519091218 (OP)
Why the fuck he is wearing PINK SHIT?

>>519091950
if I take 10,000 shits and then declare on the 10,000th shit that it doesn't stink does that mean that my 10,000th shit is indeed immaculate?

>>519092054
>Science is the source of all truth now.
Science is still the source of all truth now. And forever. Money can make a lie seem true... temporarily. Even with the censorship laws forming to protect Israel of war crimes, truth survives because it helps those who know survive.

>>519091218 (OP)
That dude isn't Catholic. It's a freemason.
You demons put your puppet in, the puppet acts out, and then you say all Catholics are like that.
Tired of your deceit.
I decided you're all damned.
have a nice day.

>>519092352
>I decided you're all damned.
>have a nice day.
But were you sitting in the chair tho?

Societies that censor free speech doom themselves.

>>519092120
Yes. It has been used twice in history:
>the immaculate conception
>the assumption of Mary
If you have no problem with the idea of a captain running a ship, you should have no problem with the authority of the Pope.

>>519092224
Science isn't about truth. It's about "not false".

>>519091218 (OP)
We don’t think that at all. It’s only when he’s canonizing a saint or otherwise speaking ex cathedra on something, which this one has never done, nor his predecessor, nor his predecessor, nor his predecessor, nor his predecessor, nor his predecessor… but in 1950, a pope did use it to declare that Mary was assumed. body and soul, into heaven. This was not only the last time that ex cathedra has been used, but also the first time.

>>519092415
>you should have no problem with the authority of the Pope.
The authority of the Pope? From who, exactly?

>hard mode: don't pull out "upon this rock"

>>519092415
>>519092415
No.
In both cases, it was the exact opposite of Matthew 16.
The "Pope" asks the bishops what should be believed, The bishops came back with Mary worship.
In Matthew 16, divine revelation comes from God the Holy Ghost to the Saint Peter. All the "bishops" got it wrong and didn't know Jesus was the Son of God. Only Peter knew because God the Father revealed it to Peter.

>>519091218 (OP)
They don’t. The “doctrine of papal infaliability” is a minor theological point, which only concerns matter of church doctrine, and has only been invoked twice in the 2000+ years of church history.

It’s basically a bad faith Protestant psyops talking point to defame Catholicism.

If you're a Catholic, and you don't affirm papal infallibility, or sorry about Vatican II-- congratulations, you're a Protestant

>>519092538
also, the immaculate conception (1854) is considered ex cathedra, but they hadn’t actually defined ex cathedra by that point. Nothing else is ever considered ex cathedra.

>>519092588
>No!! Don't prove it with the Bible verse, the very words of Jesus the Lord!! WE must believe LUTHER ALONE is infallible.
You can't help this guy. He knows he's wrong and even cites the Bible that says he's wrong.

>>519092684
Sperg out about Vatican I*

>>519092605
>minor theological point
it's central to Catholicism. Cope harder.

>>519092711
Lutherans say “by scripture alone,” but “by scripture alone” isn’t in scripture at all. So they’re really going “by Luther alone.”

>>519092678
>>519092790
Meant for you

>>519092678
>has only been invoked twice in the 2000+ years of church history.
because it's only existed in the last 150 years that the Catholic Pope bequeathed this power onto himself.
>>519092711
>the entire existence of the Catholic church rests upon one singular quote from the Bible

You'd think they'd provide a more concrete reason for it so Christianity didn't splinter into hundreds of thousands of sects.

But good work on showing that you have exactly nothing but that quote to affirm your dogma.

bulldoze the vatican
destroy the fetusdemons

https://www.youtube.com/live/ZjmGydpfPOw

>>519092432
Retard, what is "not false" is truth. So science is about truth. But in mechanical or biomechanical things. "YHWstein" on the other is poetic device.

>>519091218 (OP)
>Can Catholics explain in rational terms why they actually think this dude is infallible and can never be wrong about anything ever?
I'm not a Catholic, but I know that guy is a part-Haitian nigger mutt from Chicago. These facts alone prove he is horribly flawed without any other considerations necessary.

>>519092801
Odd argument, since the alternative to sola scriptura is trusting in men.

Either we get our theology from the Bible or we get it from men. All you're saying is that Luther is less trustworthy than whatever men you're following.

The Pope only has infallibility for a specific range of things. It matters mostly when he is establishing a definitive doctrine. But if he says something like "weekends are made for fun" that's just his opinion and you don't have to agree wiyh him.

>44 replies in
>Catholics still can't muster a single answer as to how the Bishop of Rome is infallible because he sits in a chair

>>519093037
>The Pope only has infallibility for a specific range of things.
Such as?

>>519092588
>From who, exactly?
Jesus to Peter, and then Peter down the line until today. It is called "Apostolic succession" the line of a leaders of the church in the form of Pope since the days of the apostles
>>519092865
The Bible in its entirety, all of history, and all of civilization owe their preservation and existence to the Catholic Church.
>>519092605
>some quicksand about Matthew 16 as if its all just a game of who has the better personal interpretation
Not today, Protestant.

>>519093289
>Jesus to Peter, and then Peter down the line until today
Jesus>Peter>500 year interregnum>Bishop of Rome makes a power grab>600 years until he can get rid of the pesky Greeks who question his divine powers.

Very high quality succession there.

>all of history, and all of civilization owe their preservation and existence to the Catholic Church.
All those Romans, Chinese, Japanese historians were Catholics in secret. Thanks for the solid bro.

Now that I've sufficiently questioned you, please refrain from making your next response about Hellfire.

>>519093113
The Sources of Catholic Dogma (Enchiridion Symbolorum)
Chap. 4. The Infallible "Magisterium" of the Roman Pontiff

3074 that the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra, that is, when carrying out the duty of the pastor and teacher of all Christians by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority he defines a doctrine of faith or morals to be held by the universal Church, through the divine assistance promised him in blessed Peter, operates with that infallibility with which the divine Redeemer wished that His church be instructed in defining doctrine on faith and morals; and so such definitions of the Roman Pontiff from himself, but not from the consensus of the Church, are unalterable.

>>519093800
>by virtue of his supreme apostolic authority
Given to him by who? The first Bishop of Rome who decided all the other Bishops were his bitch 500 years after "upon this rock"?

>>519092930
I don't expect to be able to discuss the philosophy of science with a vodka nigger,... but I'll try...
In criminal judicial proceedings, they say "Not guilty". they never return a verdict of Innocent.
Same thing. "Not false, it works in what we tried.. but we will keep trying to prove it false"
Now, run off and celebrate because the kikes made your grand uncles run into German machine guns as the kikes laughed and stayed behind the lines. You guys and your religious belief in getting slaughtered by the kikes as being noble and glorious is pretty fucking funny, even as you don't dare say a word against the kikes.

>>519091218 (OP)
Do not fall for glownigger divide & conquer tactics.

Christianity is the definition of "right wing" political ideology:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum#Origins_in_the_French_Revolution

Christianity has always been a racist religion:
>"Oh, race of Franks, race from across the mountains, race chosen and beloved [...]"
>"the kingdom of the Persians, an accursed race, a race utterly alienated from God [...]"
- https://www2.cbn.com/article/church/pope-urban-iis-speech-calling-first-crusade

The racist and anti-semitic Confederates have always been Christian.
The National Socialists used the Celtic cross and gave out iron cross medals for bravery. The white term for "swastika" is hakenkreuz, meaning hooked cross.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hakenkreuzbanner

Here's a growing list of Christian political commentators who are racist and anti-semitic:
- https://rentry.org/Deus_Vult
Feel free to reply to this post with others.

Educate boomers irl. If you don't preach to them, the anti-Christian kikes will:
- https://news.antiwar.com/2025/10/06/israel-to-spend-up-to-4-1-million-in-propaganda-campaign-targeting-american-christians/
israeli nationalism ("zionism") is a heresy:
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKlT-hhZXoM&t=658s
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odNoExd8a5U
The "holocaust" (burnt offering) is a lie made up by kikes, both soviet and freemason:
- https://rumble.com/c/ScriptureandTraditionFrJM/videos
Boycott all israeli products:
- https://bdsmovement.net/Guide-to-BDS-Boycott

Common glownigger talking points:
>"jesus is a kike"
The word "kike" comes from the word "kikel", which means circle. The kikes hate the cross so much, they would sign documents with a circle, hence the nickname.
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plus_and_minus_signs#Alternative_plus_sign
>"off topic"
Reminder the pope is the monarch of a country. In fact in many european (white) nations there is no separation between church and state.

>>519093037
>The Pope only has infallibility for a specific range of things.
Only on faith and morals.
Only when speaking from the Chair.
No Pope since Pius XII has spoken from the Chair. Why? Because it is against the freemason belief to destroy the religion directly. it must come from the believers.Pius XII and on are all freemasons.

>>519094020
>trying to use Universalism to unite Christianity

The only true version of Christianity is Orthodoxy. The rest are heresies of varying degrees of nonsense. Including the idea that some faggot in Rome can claim supreme authority over the entire Church of Christ.

>>519094020
correct.
Islam still worships a pagan moon god. It's their symbol.
Christians worship the sacrifice of the cross. Their symbol is the Crucifix.
Protestant worship their ability to sin with impunity as long as Christ isn't around, since they only worship the instrument of Christs sacrifice, the Cross, and not the Body of Christ (the church)

>>519092801
Now these things, brothers, I have applied to myself and Apollos for your sakes, so that in us you may learn not to go beyond what is written, so that no one of you will become puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
— 1 Corinthians 4:6

>>519094165
Where is the orthodox faith written down? It isn't because it's whatever suits them. They just quote saints that they agree with.
They believe only in themselves and not in Christ.

>>519093524
>500 year gap though!
Nope. Saint Linus was after Peter. There is a complete list. There have been a few disputes on who is Pope, but that came much later in the middle ages and was resolved without damage to the church or its doctrine.
>all those Romans, Chinese, Japanese historians were Catholics in secret.
Yes, as there is only one God and one true religion they are all a part of it if they know it or not, including those Protestants who hold sincere faith in Christ. We hold a higher position than you think, and expect for God to account for those who had no way of knowing that Christianity existed or because of the rule of others were turned against the faith without understanding fully what they were doing. As far as today, all true Christians are Catholics, though their lack of the true religion hinders them from obtaining the fullness of faith, and they should convert as soon as they realize this and not wait in some dud cop out of "it doesn't matter which church you go to".
>stop condemning me to hellfire, bro
I haven't mentioned it once, but you really should just go read about Catholicism and apologetics instead of imagining what it might be like based on popular assertions. There are a lot of lies told about us in order to trap protestants in fear and ignorance. You would do that with any other controversial topic, but not Catholicism?

>>519091218 (OP)
He’s not necessarily. Only when speaking ex cathedra. However, the Truth is always infallible. So as long as the pope, or anyone, is speaking the truth then it’s infallible.

>>519091218 (OP)
can any cult member explain in rational terms why they think they're leaders who they claim to be?

>>519091648
If he fails then he's not the pope, simple as.

>>519092172
That’s red.

Threads like this remind how incredibly retarded US baptists are. I remember watching a video by an independent fundamentalist baptist preacher once where he tried to claim the Rosary was 6 sets of 6 beads and you go around 6 times. He tried to say 6 million people were killed just for trying to read the bible. The most incredibly stupid things.
Then I see half the posts in this thread.

>"Do not, I beg you, bring in human reason. I shall yield to Scripture alone." Theodoret of Cyrus, Dialogue 1, 448 AD
>Whatever is not supported by the testimony of Scripture we reject as false.” Gregory of Nyssa, De Cognitione Dei, pg. 46:1115, 380 AD
>"The holy and inspired Scriptures are fully sufficient for the proclamation of the truth." St. Athanasius, 360 AD

The early church clearly understand and state that the scriptures are the ultimate authority within the Christian religion. That quote from Theodoret of Cyrus is a personal favorite of mine, since he literally says "scripture alone" ie sola scriptura.

>>519091218 (OP)
No one thinks that besides maybe a dozen or so grandma's somewhere. The pope is the representative of the church, alot of people disagree with almost everything he has to say

>>519092711
And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.
— Matthew 16:18

The name of "Peter" in the Greek is "petros".
However, the word for "rock" in the Greek here is "petra".
Given that Jesus Christ deliberately opted to use a different word to describe the foundation of His Church, we can infer that He was not saying that Peter is the foundation, but what Peter said is the foundation.

And Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
— Matthew 16:16

Well when he does things like allowing Muslims to not only pray in the Vatican, but allow them into the apostolic library, a place no Christian layman is allowed to go to, it raises questions as to how much of God's authority he truly has.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/vatican-allows-designated-muslim-prayer-room-in-apostolic-library/ar-AA1OCr9o?ocid=BingNewsVerp

>>519094296
>Nooooo you don't understand!
>Saint Fartus Shartalopopiss of Slavgrecostan said it, so it must be true!
>Look at this picture of a really serious guy with a black robe and hood on!

>>519091218 (OP)
Pope siri and father charles

>>519094476
>an appeal to the church fathers ...to not listen to the church fathers
There was no sacred tradition to rely on in the early church, they were making it. Go watch 10 minutes of any lgbt church to see how scripture can be abused with personal interpretation and why you need both scripture and tradition.

>>519094247
>>519094296
>kneejerk nonsense responses when his faggot dogma is questioned

The Pope is just a cunt from a long line of cunts who grabbed power for themselves. It's a grift. If the "Pope" had any real spiritual authority their history wouldn't be lined with murderers, rapists, and pedophiles. After all, why would God make wicked people the head of His Church?

Oh wait. He didn't. The Orthodox Church (which is a direct continuation of the original Church) is comprised of bishops who make decisions in the form of a council on spiritual matters. The Bishop of Rome just claimed ultimate authority after a few hundred years because he wanted more power. Nothing remarkable about it.

What's remarkable is that fags like you believe this shit and have fought endless bloody wars over this dude's grift. What's that quote from Einstein about infinite human stupidity?

>>519094606
I ask Catholics to point out where Christ said Peter's position could be passed to someone else.

We just don't feel like we need to explain anything to Protestants. It's very important for you evangelicals to understand that you are all going to hell and that you should stop being huge cocks for your females; they are evil.

>>519094318
>Saint Linus was after Peter. There is a complete list.
Yeah, a list of Roman Bishops, who had no more authority than the Bishop of Constantinople, Alexandria, or Jerusalem. The first to call himself "Pope" was this faggot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Siricius

"Pope Siricius." Who decided he was le ruler of All Christians in 400 AD. And again, I added another 600 year interregnum because nobody actually believed these faggots claims until the Church split in 1054. The Orthodox East continued as it had since the founding of Christianity, by Jesus Christ. The Catholic West then decided to suck down the farts of the Roman Pontiff because he said so, and he banned people from reading the Bible so nobody could question it (lol).

>Post some pictures of your beloved faggot in a dress with a fish hat and say some fluffy words that sound good. It's real convincing.

>>519092678
Exactly, Protestants are just female, worshipping pagans pretending to be Christians.

>>519091218 (OP)
Maybe he isn't wrong about anything/everything? Ever think about that, clever boots?

>>519091218 (OP)
Non christians are incapable of arguing in good faith

Go back to India, OP

Anyone else, look for statements labelled infallible

>>519091747
>>519091850
>>519091962
Wrong. Anything he teaches as Pope is ex
cathedra (from the Chair).

Encyclicals and any ordinary magisterial document are guaranteed to be free from error by virtue of being thaugt by the "perfect and indefectable" Church

That’s why many are Sedevacantists, though that has issues too since it denies Pastor Aeternus and the jurisdiction of the Church, which was guaranteed to the end of the world.


tl;dr Christanity is a LARP

>>519091218 (OP)
Catholic answers dot com

Answers your questions about the extremely rare circumstances of papal infallibility on dogma. It’s not every time he speaks.

>>519095315
>Catholic answers dot com
USBCC-funded Hasbara website.

Jimmy Atkin is paid to lie more than a jewish lawyer.

>>519094329
>Only when speaking ex cathedra
Catholics love terms like "ex cathedra". Makes them feel important.

Translation: Sitting in 'the chair'.

>>519094375
>can any cult member explain in rational terms why they think they're leaders who they claim to be?
It's simple. They were told to believe it. And if they aren't good little boys who were lucky enough to be born into this particular cult whereas everyone else is wrong, they too will suffer eternal torment.

>>519094378
Pope Boniface VIII enjoyed diddling children. Theoretically if he decided to sit in the chair he'd become infallible?

>>519094439
Protties are more retarded than Catholics. Catholic doctrine is pretty Trad and stable. Protties change their minds and preach hellfire to anyone who disagrees with them at the drop of a hat.

Catholics at least keep their retarded bullshit centered squarely around worshiping "venerating" Mary and the Pope.

>>519094476
Wise words. Though the people need guidance.

>>519094578
>No one thinks that besides maybe a dozen or so grandma's somewhere
There must be a lot of grannies that I've replied to ITT

>>519094708
>The church fathers were wrong because they weren't as wise as us!
You just admitted that you follow novel beliefs that were at direct odds with the early church. Here have some more quotes.
>"Believe me not in whatsoever I shall simply deliver, unless thou find the things which I shall speak, demonstrated out of the holy Scriptures.” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lecture 4.17: 348AD
>"There is, brethren, one God, the knowledge of whom we gain from the Holy Scriptures, and from no other source." Hippolytus of Rome, Against Noetus (160–236 AD)
Oh here's a good one, you'll love this.
>"We are not content simply because this is the tradition of the Fathers. What is important is that the Fathers followed the meaning of Scripture." St. Basil 370 AD
"We are not content simply because this is the tradition of the Fathers." My brother in Christ what more do you want? What more can be added? You claim that they appeal to scripture because they lacked sacred tradition, and yet Saint Basil himself says as early as 370AD that he doesn't give a fuck about tradition unless it has its basis in scripture. You are wrong, and you do not hold the faith of the church fathers. Why the fuck do you think they are declaring Cardinal Newman to be a doctor of the church? They NEED doctrinal development, a concept he pioneered, in order to justify the changes they've made.

>>519091218 (OP)
Do you respect the law or you spend your time arguing about it and finding ways to circumvent it?

It’s exactly the same concept. I know it’s impossible to grasp for a Protestant since you follow the teachings of an heretic

>>519095613
>Do you respect the law or you spend your time arguing about it and finding ways to circumvent it?
I don't respect the law at all. I find ways to circumvent it whenever possible, because it is an unjust system put in place by Jews.
>It’s exactly the same concept. I know it’s impossible to grasp for a Protestant since you follow the teachings of an heretic
I'm not a schismatic.

>>519095025
>ackshually that's just rome though
Yes, it made sense that it should be the bishop of Rome as Rome is the imperial seat.
>catholic pope bad
>orthodox patriarch good
Don't worry they will soon convert back into the fold, there has never been a point in history where Catholic and Orthodox were as close as they are today and very little of the foundational differences (which were cultural and national more than doctrinal) exist with any real relevance anymore.
>posting reddit zeitgeist meme
You're better than that, you know that's all nonsense.
>>519095517
>gotcha!
It is obvious why it is a mix of sacred scripture and sacred tradition. Also, which church compiled the Bible? Which Church preserved the teachings and works of the Church fathers? Oh right, it was the Catholic Church.

>>519091218 (OP)
>Be Pope
>Host actual idolatry in the church
>Apologize...
>...that someone threw the idol out into the river.
The "infallible" pope everyone... Jesus is the way the truth and the life, and the ONLY way to be saved and you can have a relationship with Him personally without the need for a pope, without the need for idolatry, or having someone interpret the written word of God for you.

Link and Pic Related:
https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/42636/pope-francis-apologizes-that-amazon-synod-pachamama-was-thrown-into-tiber-river

>>519091413
>pope in pope chair: dick butt asshole i love penis
>catholics: OH YES OF COURSE WE LOVE PENIS
>pope outside of pope chair: dick butt asshole i love penis
>catholics: heretic! blasphemy! sodomy! sedevacantism now!

Tbh that's closer than OP's definition, and better than most prot/kike baits.

The Catholic Church is a bloated whore that will be torn down in the last days.

>>519095772
>it should be the bishop of Rome as Rome is the imperial seat.
Constantinople was the "Imperial seat" at the time and the Council of Nicaea was directed by Emperor Constantine, who ruled from Constantinople.

This was in 325 AD. There existed no "Pope" with which to claim he was infallible nor was the Bishop of Rome's opinion at that time thought any more valuable than any of the other Bishops.

It's very interesting indeed how it takes 500-1054 years depending on interpretation for Peter's successor to appear and claim to be the True Leader™ of the Church, which was Orthodox.

>>catholic pope bad
>>orthodox patriarch good
>Don't worry they will soon convert back into the fold, there has never been a point in history where Catholic and Orthodox were as close as they are today and very little of the foundational differences (which were cultural and national more than doctrinal) exist with any real relevance anymore.
>>posting reddit zeitgeist meme
>You're better than that, you know that's all nonsense.
Nothing you said constitutes an argument. Calling something reddit and throwing in a few greentexts doesn't divert from the obvious fact that your religion is fake and gay.

>>519095860
You might notice how they ignored the part about the spicy history of their Chosen Vicars™, with many of the "Popes" being child rapists and murderers.

It's ok if they do these things though. As long as they aren't sitting in the chair, lmao

>>519095772
>It is obvious why it is a mix of sacred scripture and sacred tradition.
Clearly you disagree, because there is absolutely nothing in the scriptures about the bodily assumption of Mary and yet the papists hold it as dogma under threat of damnation. The so called treasury of merit, the practice of indulgences, a celibate priesthood, the papacy itself, none of these things have a scriptural leg to stand on and are entirely the invention of men far, far removed from the patristic era.
>which church compiled the Bible
The Evangelical Catholic Church did. Mine did. As I've demonstrated, it is I who hold the faith of our fathers, not you. The saints I have quoted are my saints, not yours.
>Which Church preserved the teachings and works of the Church fathers?
Clearly not yours, considering how far you have stayed from the teachings of the church fathers and Christ Himself. It was the Reformers who returned His church back to a more proper state while yours continues to wallow in the darkness of papal sin.

Get raped, papist.

>>519091425
by design of the devil. its the strong delusion many people cant wrap their minds around. that there are fake versions of everything. the Roman Catholic church being the predominant fake Christian church with countless others that've followed after it. just like modern Jews are a twisted abomination of the covenant. its a simple trick by quite effective. its gotten everyone confused. they took on the form of that which would otherwise destroy their empire. became the authority of it. or convinced everyone that they were. they're not. but again, cults are designed to trap people. its their whole us versus them mindset.. they're purists too. so they are too proud to question if they actually are who they claim to be. they're deluded.

>>519091218 (OP)
if that's what the book says then it must be true

>>519095953
>This was in 325 AD
Yes and it was in Rome before Constantine, Peter was crucified there, and a large Christian presence there. It makes sense.
>nothing you said constitutes an argument.
Neither does a depiction of a crescent moon, or a sunburst.
>>519096197
>it was the reformers who wroted the bible!
Sorry, that's not true.

>>519096039
What a bad joke the whole thing is. The thief on the cross looked to the pope... oh no that's not it, he looked to JESUS and asked Him and Him alone if he could join Him in His kingdom. He wasn't baptized, he wasn't familiar with ANY doctrine of any kind, he just knew the Jesus on the cross next to him was the only way to be cleansed of His unrighteousness and to get to heaven.

>>519096319
>they are too proud to question if they actually are who they claim to be
There's a number of Popes who knew it was bullshit. Pope Leo X didn't even believe in Christ.

The "Roman Catholic" church is just a grift for the Bishop of Rome. It's a story of men who lust for power and temporal authority over others, so they make up bold claims and condemn those who refuse to believe it. Just reading a history of the Great Schism should make it obvious that the "Pope" at the time just wanted power, which is what all men fucking want.

And of course, because of this many, many millions have died in the course of history. Just as billions will be dead by the end of this Judaism cult, and it's associated Islam cult.

Men are too easily misled by tradition and the irrational.

>>519091786
>Catholics don't think it, retard.
The Pope speaks with authority only on matters related to doctrine. He may and likely will have an opinion on many other matters, but he does so as an individual.

>>519096559
>Yes and it was in Rome before Constantine
Where exactly do you think Nicaea is you fucking retard?

>>519091218 (OP)
The same reason they believe the Bible is infallible and 1000% accurate word of God without any contradictions or tampering from man whatsoever.

>>519096621
>The Pope speaks with authority only on matters related to doctrine
The Pope has ZERO authority other than what is given any normal man. He is opinion, and frankly idolatry. Show me ANYWHERE in the Bible that grants the Pope authority to speak on matters of scripture that isn't given any other normal man. I'll save you some work, it's not there.

>>519096559
>Peter was crucified there
Oh man, I love that text. A baby talks, Peter does sorcery against flying Magus. It's as ridiculous as the bible.
We all know that you've never actually read anything from church history, or know that you're referencing a non-canonical book.

>>519096791
He thinks the Council of Nicaea was held in ROME lmfao

>>519096652
What are you talking about? I am saying that Rome was a well known seat of power in the time of Jesus and the place where Peter was martyred. You are being absurd. I am not talking about the Council of Nicaea or anything after Constantine. I am saying that Rome was a central location of authority until then and home to a large portion of influential Christians.
>>519096791
I am not referencing the non-canoncial gospel of peter but the tradition of the Church

>>519096611
>>519096756
Indeed. This is why I ascribe to only Orthodoxy, and ruthlessly pummel the Papists whenever they appear.

Their thinking is so absurd it beggars belief. They ascribe attributes of God to mortal men, and demand others believe them on pain of Hellfire, the source of which beliefs is of course, the mortal men who ascribed Godly attributes to themselves.

It's very troubling how many oceans of blood have been spilled over this nonsense.

>>519097100
>I am not referencing the non-canoncial gospel of peter but the tradition of the Church
Nigger, guess where they got that from? You fucking moron. The earliest known reference to that, is the text that I'm talking about.
Not church tradition.

>>519091218 (OP)
Because protties and orthodogs are divided and can't agree on anything therefore the Pope is true

>>519091677
>>519092352
>>519092684
>>519092790

>>519097100
>I am saying that Rome was a well known seat of power in the time of Jesus
Rome was the capital of the Roman Empire. By the time of the Church becoming accepted amongst the pagans, the capital of the Empire had already shifted to Constantinople.

You seem very hung up on this, because it somehow justifies the Roman Pontiff claiming supremacy over the entire Church.
>hint: it fucking doesn't.
You are delusional, indoctrinated, fearful, and misled.

How about instead of picking and choosing what to reply to, you explain to me why God chose Pope Boniface VIII, a pedophile rapist to lead the Church. Or many other varieties of unsavoury individuals, whom you would call flagrantly Satanic were they to be Protestants.

Surely, if these Bishops were truly the head of God's church, He would not stand for them to be terrible human beings, especially considering they are infallible "ex cathedra"?

Respond to my post in it's entirety. Don't pick and choose what you feel is your strongest point to respond to. Answer the questions.

>>519097153
The true Church isn't divided like protties and orthodogs, enjoy hell lmao

>>519097303
>orthodogs are divided and can't agree on anything
The Orthodox Church is the only Christian Church which has been consistent in it's doctrine over 1000s of years, withstood the hardest Martyrdoms (under the Ottomans, Soviets, etc.), and has not schismed into a 1000 differing factions, all of which war with and kill each other.

>>519094247
Islam worships moon god Arrah and his zutted messenger
Christianity worships one-balled Jewish storm god YHWH and his son rabbi jeshua who sacrificed himself to himself

>>519097517
>The Orthodox Church is the only Christian Church which has been consistent in it's doctrine over 1000s of years
So they still support slavery?

>>519096756
Show me where in the bible the bible existed before tradition and magisterium, or grace, or faith

>>519091218 (OP)
>Can Catholics explain in rational terms why they actually think this dude is infallible and can never be wrong about anything ever?
Catholics don't believe the Pope is infallible. Protestants do. Which is pretty fucking funny and really shows God has a sense of humor.

>>519092224
>Science is still the source of all truth now
lmao

>>519097457
Orthodoxy IS the Church. Existing as it has since it's inception.

Catholicism is an offshoot based primarily off of the ego of the Bishop of Rome. And from it's absurdities spawned 1000 heresies in Protestantism.

>>519091218 (OP)
It's basically a technicality to avoid rules lawyering and bullshit with 3 popes accusing each other of heresy like we had in the middle ages.
It's basically "GM is always right" but for IRL. Yeah he could have wrong, unfair, stupid opinion, but whatever he says goes because the alternative was tried and it resulted in much strife and death, so let's pick one who looks wise enough and just go with what he says always.

>>519091297
So like W40k.

>>519097517
>The Orthodox Church is the only Christian Church which has been consistent in it's doctrine over 1000s
Wrong, they change shit all the time and they aren't united, look at Ukraine war, kek, you lost, divided churcher geeeeeeg
>>519097704
>Orthodoxy IS the Church
Which Church? The Greek? The russian? The Ethiopian? You are divided therefore not the truer
Church, give me your divided churches opinion on Ukraine war geeeeeeeeeg

>>519096559
The men who wrote the scriptures were not "Reformers" because the Reformation hasn't happened yet. However, they did believe the same things the Reformers did, which is infinitely more important than any other form of apostolic succession. None of them were Mary worshippers, certainly.

>>519097214
>everything has to go back to my critique syndrome
Or perhaps they were the ones who deemed which texts were canonical or not... Perhaps something being considered non-canonical doesn't mean every detail in the book is wrong... Perhaps there was more to the tradition of Peter being martyred in Rome than the noncanonical texts. More to the point: Perhaps they have a known location for Peters grave in the necropolis under the Vatican and don't need to base everything off of guesswork and protestant lies because they actually have the ability to obtain a proper grasp of history.
>>519097435
>Rome was the capital of the Roman Empire
Yes that is what I am referring to.
>By the time of the Church becoming accepted amongst the pagans, the capital of the Empire had already shifted to Constantinople.
So what? It still makes sense that Rome should be the seat of the church for all the reasons I've stated. It is the traditional seat of the empire, the home of many influential Christians and saints, where many martyrs died, a popular trading capital, ...its Rome. It did not completely lose relevance once Constantinople became the eastern seat, nor did it lose relevance when Rome itself fell. Christendom has its focus on Rome, that is the truth and shouldn't be upsetting.
>[you think] it somehow justifies the Roman Pontiff claiming supremacy over the entire Church.
It has little to do with it in the end. Apostolic Tradition is what is important, him being the bishop of rome is just a sensible reality and choice at the time and now a long standing tradition.
>You are delusional, indoctrinated, fearful, and misled.
That's not true you are just bad at trying to have a decent conversation with me and so you need to insult me as if that is a win.
>why God chose Pope Boniface VIII
>varieties of unsavory individuals
>he would not stand for them to be terrible human beings
It is not easy to be a saintly.

Because he is your intermediary to salvation by which he is the only person qualified by human standards to speak directly to god. So I’d be nice.

>>519091218 (OP)
We don't.

It's funny, protestants have been living alongside us for centuries, yet still only know memes about us.

To be infallible, the Pope has to speak ex cathedra, which happened two times in the history of the Catholic Church, both times about theological subtelties that laymen wouldn't even know were controversial issues.

>>519093524
Is it a pasta-pot on his head?

>>519098219
No. The Apostles and others of the Apostolic age wrote the text itself and Catholic Church compiled the Bible from their texts. They were not just like the reformers that's just generic protestant propaganda, the reformers weren't even like eachother, they were all different and had new wild ideas that had no basis in scripture or tradition. The truth is not the fictional hero stories the protestants sell.
>mary worship
Anyone who says this makes it clear they have been taught protestant lies, we don't worship Mary at all.

>>519092188
wait, srs question, you've never had a poop that wasn't stinky? it happens when you don't eat total shit food or tons of protein that takes longer to digest, but yea, no stinky

>>519098322
>It is the traditional seat of the empire, the home of many influential Christians and saints, where many martyrs died, a popular trading capital, ...its Rome.
You're going to claim that the Bishop of Rome is the sole chosen representative of God because many martyrs died there (as they did throughout all the major cities), a lot of Saints went there (no shit, it was the largest city on Earth before Constantinople eclipsed it), and it was a major trading city.
>Apostolic Tradition is what is important
You have no clue what that is retard. You keep repeating nonsense like this and ignoring (or perhaps you easily forget, seeing as how whimsically you talk about this) the fact that the Bishop of Rome was just another dude until HE (not God, not Peter, not Jesus) claimed he was the Pope, hundreds of years after Peter died.

>>why God chose Pope Boniface VIII
>>varieties of unsavory individuals
>>he would not stand for them to be terrible human beings
>It is not easy to be a saintly.
That's not a fucking answer lol. You're retarded

>>519098322
>Perhaps
Ah yes, the classic Christian cope of digging in the trash in hopes of finding a "maybe" that they can believe is 100% true.
Perhaps you're coping, because you don't actually know the church history or the source of the claims that you make.

>>519095860
Roman Catholics bible is based on gnostic texts which the gnostics taught that salvation only came from secret knowledge. Marianology and Mary worship comes from worshipping the female force in nature and that God is nature itself.

>>519091218 (OP)
A ver yo quiero que me expliques acerca de la infalibilidad papal, porque aqui en el escrito de San Amosito dice, y cito textualmente:

>El papa lo sabe todo y sus pedo huelen a rosas

Yo entonces quero saber como este hombre puede ser infalible. Tu no estás siguiendo la escritura hermano.

>>519091218 (OP)
can prots just not answer any questions and just fuck off? that'd be great.

>>519098694
>kneel down before Icon of Mary
>clasp hands in prayer before Mary
>praise Mary and ask her for things
>"Hail Mary"
>stand up
>turn around and look at the camera
>"it's just veneration, bro"
>"I am praying to her so she will pray for me, kek!"

Matthew 6:6
"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."

Of course, the Protty scum misinterpreted this one. "Father" in the Septuagint means "Mary", kek!

>>519091218 (OP)
>Look at our material wealth
>Look at our baubles
>Look at our decoration
>Our castles
Jesus would have despised it all

>Revelation 17:4 KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

The purple and scarlet colour, decked with gold, was first worn by Julius Caesar in B.C. 44 - Febuary 15th to the feast of Lupercal.
Thereafter all Ceasars started wearing it and the tradition continued right down into the Roman Catholic clergy and worn proudly by many popes.

>Revelation 17:5 KJV
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
>THE MOTHER

In 251 A.D. Cyprian, bishop of Carthage declared: “He can no longer have God for his Father, who has not the church for his mother.” After which the religion of Roman Catholicism took on the name "Mother Church."
Also, at the Council of Ephesus, where they once cried: "Great is Diana of the Ephesians" - Acts 19:34 KJV, they now exalted Mary as the "Theotokos," "the bearer," or "Mother of God."

>Revelation 18:7 KJV
7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.
>I sit a queen

Mary is known as the "Queen of Heaven" in Roman Catholicism. Meanwhile: the only Biblical mentions of said title are all prescribed to a goddess idol (Jeremiah 7:18, 44:17-19, 44:25 KJV).

>>519091218 (OP)
Repent = Change of mind.

Change your mind and serve God.

Do not fall for the Catholic faith that calls itself Christian. Read the Bible, understand it, research it. It has 0(zero) contradictions.

The end is near.

YouTube: Jonathan Kleck

>>519098974
based anon. The haven't listened to a real word He's said for decades.

Stay true to Christ and you'll be alright.
He is the way,
the TRUTH
and the life.
Read the Bible.
The Spirit of Christ is with you and the full Armor of God is on you, frens. God bless and many blessings to you.

>>519091218 (OP)
>can never be wrong about anything ever
That's not how papal infallibility works
It means the pope can never be wrong when he makes ex-cathedra pronouncements on faith and morals

He's only infallible during his official edicts. He's not Mr. Right.

>>519098722
>you think its all about Rome for some reason
No, I think its sensible that it is Rome, and that apostolic succession is the function of having a new leader. It's simple really, I'm not even arguing much here, you keep imagining that I'm wrong because you just don't want there to be a Catholic Church, ...but there is, and its history and tradition is sound.
>its not easy to be a saint isn't an answer
Go ask God, bud. I didn't pick Boniface VII, go ask the cardinals that did. I'm sure you know a lot of perfect people who never sinned who should be the Pope instead.
>>519098729
Its just that you are being ridiculously picky with your argument and ignoring the vast amount of information that the Church uses and framing the topic as if muh heretic gospels are the only source for anything.
>>519098974
>its just veneration
It is. I do not worship Mary and have never met one Catholic who does, or heard that said by anyone but a protestant, and for that matter; what authority does a protestant have to be my judge?

>>519099349
>sit in chair
HE IS INFALLIBLE!
>dont sit in chair
See protty scum, it only applies when he is in chair, did you forget that it says in 49 CFR 395.8(e) of "Shit We Made Up" that Pope only becomes magically infallible when he sits in the chair. Besides, he's only done it twice, so he's less likely to expose himself as being full of shit!

>>519091218 (OP)
There have been multiple Jewish popes, including the first one.

>>519099349
>>519099419
so you just ignore somehow past pope's fallible edicts and immoral behavior?
>Just trust me bro vatican 2 is the good guys now.

>>519094606
> Genesis 50:19-20
> And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of God?
> But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
> Matthew 5:14
> “You are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill, cannot be hid.”
Amen my brother in Christ.

>>519099493
>never sinned =/= Child rapist with divine infallibility

lmfao

>I do not worship Mary and have never met one Catholic who does, or heard that said by anyone but a protestant, and for that matter; what authority does a protestant have to be my judge?
I like how Catholics think being stupid and gullible is Piety

I'm a confirmed Catholic and I don't give a fuck about what the pope says to be honest.

Like my whole life I didn't even know there was a thing of traditional Catholic mass.

I'm gonna be honest. I don't think this pope faggot is the 'vicar of Christ', and I don't wear a fucking superstition scabbard.

Pick your own path. The Catholic Church has proven its corruption and it needs faithful people to sort it out.

>>519091218 (OP)
Because they are illiterate retards mostly. The Bible says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Catholic leadership says to not read the Bible and hands you a latin one. There are no saints. No one, not even Marry, is holy. All have sinned, all need forgiveness. Nobody comes to the father except through Christ. Everyone can pray, access is equal. The core of what the catholics preach, that their leadership are above you and more powerful and holy, is an unbiblical lie. Protestantism rose the moment Bibles were more common and people learned to read. Catholics responded with murder, which is how they always handled anything that challenged their power. They are evil and sit upon a city of gold they stole from people they oppressed. Also they rape like 900 kids a year in the US alone. They are monsters out for their own power and little else.

>>519096197
>>which church compiled the Bible
>The Evangelical Catholic Church did. Mine did.
So why does your bible have less books than theirs?
Why did the bloke in your pic want to get rid of Revelation?

>>519099607
You can have the thread. Anyone who reads our discussion will see that I am making fair points and treating you well, while you are just insulting me and being a picky, petty, redditor. For proof of this see that you are still referencing papal infallibility as if it allows each Pope to never be wrong about anything, that wasn't the first thing we discussed.

>>519099537
Yes but unironically and without the cunty sophomore tone

>>519091677
Athanasius said "for the sake of greater exactness I add this also, writing under obligation, as it were. There are other books besides these, indeed not received as canonical but having been appointed by our fathers to be read to those just approaching and wishing to be instructed in the word of godliness: Wisdom of Solomon, Wisdom of Sirach, Esther, Judith, (...)"
Jerome, the guy who created the Vulgate, Rome's official Bible translation, rejected seeing the Apocrypha as Scripture. Read his preface to the apocryphal books, if you know Latin. He is the one who introduced Hebrew Verity - the argument your image is caricaturing.
Martin Luther viewed the Apocrypha as not "equal to the Scriptures, but (...) useful and good to read". Lutheran works, like Erik Ludvigsen Pontoppidan's catechism, would cite the Apocrypha, especially Sirach.
The Reformed Belgic confession says: "The church may certainly read these books and learn from them as far as they agree with the canonical books. But they do not have such power and virtue that one could confirm from their testimony any point of faith or of the Christian religion. Much less can they detract from the authority of the other holy books."

>>519091218 (OP)
He looks like a huge faggot. He can't even use the armchairs correctly.

>>519099966
>I am making fair points
Half-assed excuses and dispassionate arguments don't mean you're level-headed. It means you know you're full of shit and trying not to let me 'get' to you, which wouldn't happen if there wasn't truth to what I say.

>you are just insulting me and being a picky, petty, redditor.
Faggot nigger cunt asshole. I don't layer my insults. Especially whining about being 'insulted' then immediately calling me a redditor in the same sentence, a similar kind of obliviousness you've exhibited throughout this thread.

>you are still referencing papal infallibility as if it allows each Pope to never be wrong about anything
I have mentioned in each and every one of my posts your precious 'chair', which magically distinguishes the Pope being divinely inspired and infallible, and not being so.

Again, obliviousness, stupidity, or knowing disingenuousness (a trait of the Jew), which is it?

>>519099608
>The Catholic Church has proven its corruption and it needs faithful people to sort it out.
No. The Pope just needs to sit in the chair more so he can be 100% right on everything. Maybe speak in Latin more so people will think he's mystical and wise. That should do the trick.

>>519091218 (OP)
Nigger not even the pope argues himself infallible. They participate in confessions regularly just to make trannies like you seethe.

>>519098974
>when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door
I take it that as well as not praying to Mary you don't pray in public
>pray to thy Father
Or pray to the Son or the Holy Spirit either

>>519099541
No way

>>519099993
>I'm retarded (but unironically)

Glad we cleared that up.

>>519091218 (OP)
All the mystique of the pope is honestly lost for me now that he's some dude named Bob from Chicago who likes Da Bears

>>519091218 (OP)
God is above him. If Pope goes against His word, then he isn't a Christian.
Though modern Christianity and the church go against God's words.
It deserved the destruction as the Ezekiel's Book said.
Fuck modern Christianity.

>>519099803
Beside the cockeyed history and flat out untruths, how you can look at the history of Protestantism and what it's resulted in and think any that is mystifying. Look at the state of the Church of England now.

>>519099803
Catholics seethe about charlatans like Joel Olsteen having a mansion but don't mind that their pointy hat dude lives in a golden palace lmao

>>519100638
>>519100389
Defending Papism because it birthed an even worse abomination is stupid. Orthodoxy is the actual Church as it was in the Early days.

>>519100638
The German catholic bishopry does the same stuff as the CoE is doing. But the great thing about being a protestant is that most of us don't believe that we have to put up with it and keep donating if our church becomes blasphemous and unbiblical. The Church is the body of Christ, not an earthly institution. I can gather a few friends and have church in my living room.

>>519091218 (OP)
He is a literal nigger, in a long line of antichrists that call themselves Jesus.

>>519100529
And who knows God's word? You? Masoretic Text OT reading protties? Jesus made the Catholic church and it has a 2000 year tradition, there is only one unified church and that is the Catholic church, nothing you can do about it.

>>519100457
Your holy simplicity, fag. Jesus was a circumised Bob of his time. He doesn`t know latin, never read Homer and was a 3rd world carpenter. Love the Pope!

>>519100940
The pope says you need to accept every third world criminal into your country and turn off your nazi memeflag

>>519095313
Thats not true at all. It’s limited to solemn definitions on faith or morals, not every encyclical or magisterial document.

>>519100975
Yeah that's fine I didn't mean it as an insult. I just mean that for me personally the pope always seemed mysterious and unrelatable until now

The is just the Führerprinzip. Every hierarchical organization (e.g. army) is the same.
When the leader makes a decision all argument/discussion ceases and everybody supports the leader.

>>519101015
The Masoretic Text reading protties says you should die for Israel

>>519093068
We have a catechism problem. Most Western catholics aren't well read into our own theology according to Pews research polls.

>>519095517
>>519094476
The early church clearly understand and state that the scriptures are the ultimate authority St. Basil: "We are not content simply because this is the tradition of the Fathers"

Your quotes from Theodoret, Athanasius, Cyril, Hippolytus, and Basil show the Fathers valued Scripture highly, but they don’t teach sola scriptura. They saw Scripture and Tradition as complementary, guided by the Church’s magisterium.


Basil: "not content with tradition" Read his On the Holy Spirit, he defends unwritten apostolic traditions like the Sign of the Cross. Cyril and Hippolytus emphasize Scripture within the Church’s teaching authority, not as a solo rule. The Fathers relied on councils and bishops to interpret Scripture, not individual takes.

Sola scriptura is a 16th-century idea, not early Church teaching. The Church defines doctrines (Assumption, Pastor Aeternus) when necessary, while promulgating teachings like encyclicals to guide the faithful. Newman’s development of doctrine explains how understanding grows without contradicting Scripture or Tradition.

Protestants say oh my grandma is in heaven, or retards go to heaven Catholics also trust God’s mercy for the mentally disabled or loved ones, guided by Scripture and Tradition, not just feelings.

>>519094623
If I go into your home and ask you if I can pull out my laptop to send a quick email for work, can I say you let me install an office in your home?

>>519101136
We could see a nigger Pope next!
>Amen

>>519094725
In Matthew 16:18-19, Jesus says:

Thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church... I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom The keys symbolize authority, tied to Peter’s role as leader. Isaiah 22:22 shows keys as a sign of a transferable office. Jesus knew Peter would die, yet promised the Church would endure (Matt 16:18). For the Church to remain unified, Peter’s role must continue through successors.

The early Church understood this. Acts 1:20-26 shows the apostles replacing Judas with Matthias, proving apostolic offices are passed on. The Church Fathers, like Clement of Rome (c. 96 AD), confirm Peter’s successors in Rome. Tradition, not just Scripture, clarifies this, as the Fathers (Basil in On the Holy Spirit) upheld apostolic practices alongside Scripture. Btw, Clement of Rome was exercising authority already in non-Roman churches while the Apostle John was still alive (see letters of Clement)

>>519095025
>, and he banned people from reading the Bible
Never happened at all. What happened were English translations were being printed with heretical commentaries undermining everything Catholic. No Bible ban ever happened. The Church restricted certain vernacular translations, like Tyndale’s, because they included heretical notes attacking Catholic doctrine, not because reading Scripture was forbidden. The Douay-Rheims Bible, a Catholic translation, was published in 1582-1609, proving the Church supported vernacular Scriptures when faithful to doctrine.

>>519095373
Cope.

Holy shit, all the brown people here are arguing about their sub 60 IQ cult.

>>519094005
>German machine guns
>getting slaughtered by the kikes
Lmao
Lol
So there are two muttic pills -- being jewish golem or larping as 1\64 german Shekelgoober`s shepherd.

>>519091218 (OP)
Catholicism since Vatican II is just another Protestant denomination. (Their dogma and canons were written by literal Protestants.)

And all Protestants need a founder heresiarch, the whole idea of Protestantism is to ignore apostolic canon.

>>519095423
Pope Boniface VIII reigned 1294–1303. Claims that Boniface VIII "enjoyed diddling children" stem from 20th–21st-century anti-Catholic polemics that are unverified and made up. I looked into all this before converting into Catholicism, stop making shit up.

>>519095903
The Old Testament frequently depicts Jerusalem as an unfaithful wife or a harlot who has broken her covenant with God through idolatry and alliances with pagan nations ( Ezekiel 16). "Whore of Babylon" aligns with this established prophetic tradition.

Nice try though!

>>519096611
I feel bad for the thief in a way. His story has been abused by protties so bad that your interpretation dilutes everything gospel. Are you OSAS or what? Should we not forgive others in order to be saved, for example? So it takes more than just mere belief right since the demons believe and tremble too?

Matthew 6:14-15 “For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.”

>>519102023
You are defending a Middle Eastern semetic cult of which 80% of the believers are brown, who are led by a left-wing brown Pope and worship a left-wing brown jew.


Why aren't creatures like you in Antifa instead of associating with the right?

>>519102180
Hans all of your ancestors were Christians for a thousand years

>>519102454
You can't refute a single point here, can you?:
>You are defending a Middle Eastern semetic cult of which 80% of the believers are brown, who are led by a left-wing brown Pope and worship a left-wing brown jew.

How can you mutts possibly associate with the right even remotely?


98% of my ancestors have never even read the (untranslated) Bible.

>>519100895
>that call themselves Jesus.
??? What are you talking about?

>>519102576
Germans before Christianity were literally no different from any other tribal society and Frederick the Gay was a flaming homosexual

>>519102817
>no counterargument
So I thought, join your local BLM organization and Marxist book club and leave the right alone.

>>519102006
Lies.

https://youtu.be/Wz9cPydeBd4?si=k79O-v1d_iou5GqU