Thread 519091506

about a third of the way through reading Rudolf Jung's National Socialism, and holy fuck he's an anti-marxist socialist.

no wonder lefties cry and shit themselves when anyone mentions that the nazis were socialists, because it's true.

>>519091506 (OP)
when you actually read the books/words that nazis wrote, you realize they really weren't these super far-right boots on the ground kick your ass sorts of people. many of them were just normies who thought war was honorable and that they didn't want their country run by israel.

there is no written evidence of hitler commanding or even knowing about the holocaust.

nazis were even animal rights activists and weren't even what you would call anthropocentric.

so this platonic idea of "group of people consciously trying to minmax eugenics with absolute tyranny and authoritarianism" really isn't what nazis were. in-fact, many of the rights of workers in modern day time in germany were policies that were passed during the nazi era, which are still in effect.

so while nazis named the jew and were redpilled on race, that was really were their basedness ended. they were pretty cucked on many other matters.

>>519091858
Look at the number of Axis troops killed for desertion vs the number of Allied.

>>519091858
One of my favorite things to do is remind normies that thing called "Vacation pay" on their paystub was uncle A's idea.

another personal favorite is getting normies to agree on national socialist policies, like mothers of 5+ children should get personal shoppers and discounts and better cuts of meat, or that motherhood should be rewarded.

Also liberals/lefties in general dont read anything outside of their proscribe literature and muh commie manefesto.

>>519091506 (OP)
i hate to well akshully here but nazis used the word socialism to piggy back off the left's success. hitler was clearly the opposite of socialist as he would privatize public business. the word socialism is just meaningless in that context. it's similar to north korea being the democratic people's republic of north korea. it's neither democratic nor republic. it's just words. hitler and other german nazis at the time would be offended if you lumped them in with actual socialism as they were dogmatically opposed to it.

>>519092513
>but nazis used the word socialism to piggy back off the left's success.


WELL ACKSHULAYY.

muh beefsteak nazis,

>>519092065
worthless point.
they fought a losing war on their home-turf.
of course desertions would be high.
do you follow anything about the ukraine war?

>>519091506 (OP)
It’s because the reality is leftists, at least in the west, don’t actually care about socialism or economics at all. All they care about is harming whites, ending Christianity etc. go look at any mainline leftist community and 99% of it is just “white bad”, Troonshit etc, antinatalism. the economic aspect is a carrot on a stick. I think it was Hasan who even admitted this.
The truth is if they genuinely wanted socialism they never would have pushed all the wokeslop, it’s very obviously unpopular with the majority of people. The vast majority of working class people are white and don’t want to be a hated minority with a government who treats them like demons.
The left is terrified of facism, NatSoc vastly more than neoconservatism/capitalism because they can not compete with it, at all. If offered all the pro-working class, anti-poverty, anti-exploitation elements the left claims to want but with a healthy, white conservative society whites (even Hispanics honestly) will always take that over whatever the left is trying to sell them.

>>519091858
Based
>>519092448
Extremely based

>>519092513
i couldn't disagree more

>privatization

the nazis weren't inimical to private property on the basis that said property was being used for the betterment of the community as a whole, which basically just means that you can keep your property if you tow the line. it's not the brutal murder and theft the commies committed, but it's still a defacto nationalization of private enterprise. the nazis never called what they did privatization, they called it "Gleichschaltung." most people point to an article by Germa Bell called "privatization in national socialist germany" which actually contradicts itself, and then use it as proof nazis weren't socialist.

from my reading of Jung's book, the nazis are literally doing what socialists nowadays do to each other (and to the nazis) with "they weren't REAL socialists, real socialism has never been tried"

as for the DPRK reference, the DPRK genuinely believe they are democratic. if all the people in the society are made part of the state, then in being made up of the people the state is democratic. fascist Italy did the same thing. the "father" of fascism even stated that "the fascist state is a democratic state par excellence"

clearly, Giovanni Gentile didn't refer to liberal democracy like you think "democracy" means, but he still thought it was "democratic" nonetheless. the nazis aren't playing word games any differently than the rest of the socialists were/are.

>>519091506 (OP)
Marxists have always been assmad at fascism and national socialism because it made them obsolete.

>>519092513
hitler specifically hated marxists, but his party promoted many policies consistent with the modern conception of socialism (e.g. workers rights). if nazis were ever "anti socialists" it's really just them explicitly hating marxism, which they frequently mention by name in their books.

National socialism is national socialism. Marxism is international socialism.

>>519093054
>ending Christianity

Ending christianity was also a major natsoc goal since christianity is incompatible with nationalism and racialism, meaning that it is anti-european and anti-germanic.

>>519093054
wanting equality is a politically way of saying you eventually want superiority, it's just that the gap is large enough today that you can call it "wanting equality"

>>519093054
wanting equality is a politically safe way of saying you eventually want superiority, it's just that the gap is large enough today that you can call it "wanting equality"

>>519091506 (OP)
where buy?

>>519096585
You can just google it, its a pdf on some nazi website