Thread 519092958

How does anyone defend late stage capitalism in 2025?

>>519092958 (OP)
Go live in the forest if you hate capitalism so much. Your ancestors had to fight bears and you're bitching about high APRs? Go fuck yourself.

>>519093025
i cant afford to live schlomo
there literally wont be a next generation
do you get that?

>>519092958 (OP)
>strawman
OP is a child

>>519092958 (OP)
Late stage capitalism = end times in pinkospeak.

>>519093062
>there literally wont be a next generation
is it because you're a childless unkissable?

That person is also cool with importing 100,000,000 illegal aliens

>>519093137
no it because your pic related
unfuckable hogs that cry harrasment
if you dare "talk" to them lol
not playing a rigged "game"

>>519093062
I've literally seen the next generation

What's really wild is that the conservative propaganda has been so successful that even the communists think we actually need money from the rich to do things.

Pro-tip: the government creates money. Government spending is not dependent on revenue.

>>519093062
A safe world where everyone's needs are met has never once existed on this fucking planet, you retard. Come back to reality for a second and realize how good you actually have it compared to your pioneer ancestors. Nothing is stopping you from going somewhere in the deep back 40 and living a life free of money or worldly troubles like internet outages. Go be free, you fucking retard.

>>519093193
based and prophet pilled
are they all in plastic coffins?

>>519092958 (OP)
faggot OP will only realize their retarded mistake when the boot has kicked open the door of the room where they sleep, and is now above and crushing the head of their loved ones on the ground. Maybe only at that moment will they realize, the mistake of giving power to the wrong people, the wrong ideology- because they had refused to study history.

>>519092958 (OP)
Capitalism have stages.
Communism is permanent shit.

Personally I’d rather live in a world where there is a slight chance at becoming wealthy than a world where the basics are guaranteed. Thoughbeit I am a degenerate gambler at heart

>>519092958 (OP)
there is no such thing as "late stage capitalism" you commie nutjob

>>519093308
ok ill buy you and your future wife, just a stage bro
maybe next incarnation XD

>>519093025
>Your ancestors had to fight bears

We used to be such fucking badasses, and now most of us sit in boxes and make number go up for 8 hours a day in exchange for some human feed pellets and access to the magic rectangle screen. Fuck you and fuck capitalism.

>>519093333
Checked. There's also no such thing as late-stage communism either because it always fails so fast.

>>519093348
ok ill kill your boss and made you my bitch
but without money for ya :-D

how do you explain niggers? not starving, given everythign they need, actually the most obese and fat race in america yet still do crime. all nigger needs are met yet they still act this way. why would it be different under communism?

>>519093397
wrong, i already smoked all of you before you entered the fray
sorry, i had insider info
maybe you shouldnt have done a race to the bottom?

>>519093308
Communism and capitalism produce the same miserable shit and are part of the same continuum that prizes raw capital above all other human things. They are both wealth extraction and slave production systems.

>>519093210
Kek no. Crypto proved that it's all lies.

>>519093367
As I said. There's plenty of wilderness you could be in right now to escape this hellish modern world you apparently think you live in. There's no such thing as money out there and you own the means of production. It should be perfect for you.

>>519092958 (OP)
What's the former option called?

>>519092958 (OP)
how can anyone defend anything in 2025?
democracy? retarded gay joke
white people? fucking cucks
america? gay nigger aids
nick fuentes? gay manlet spic fed
video games? kike slop
even war is gay just a bunch of psyops and drone "combat"

capitalism is le good because anything is communism chud

>>519092958 (OP)
What if we all had three seashells? Also, no one ever dies. And pixie dust. What if human nature simply didn't exist?

>>519093455
correct, but retards will never learn they will fight each other over a scrap of a whiff of pussy.
its over

>>519093455
Then live innawoods, you fucking hypocrite. It should literally be perfect for you.

>>519092958 (OP)
Because the only people who criticize capitalism are wealthy elites who have grown up in the shelter of capitalism and absolutely refuse to live in any nation that doesn't have that exact form of government. Meanwhile literally the entire rest of the world struggles immigrate and live under capitalism.

>>519093455
>the same miserable
No, misery have its gradations.

>>519092958 (OP)
"a nice safe world where everyone's basic needs are met" is called a "utopia" and it does not exist

>>519093658
>consciousness and tech can never figure it out its all a crap shoot
sounds like you are retarded and myopic
not worthy of this discussion

>>519093484
I wasn't raised to be able to handle it. I'm a domesticated house cat.That doesn't mean it would've been a less satisfying way of life. Civilization robbed me of any satisfaction. I was strapped down as a baby and the jews stole my dick skin and that was used to make some other jew rich. That's pure capitalism in action.

>>519093739
correct, my brother, you were robbed, take solace in that
they had to handicap you lol
thats how weak they are my brother

>>519093658
Every leftist idea boils down to some fantasy scenario that couldn't possibly play out in the real world. Yes, most of the shit they want is objectively good for society, but it just isn't feasible and the solution they come up with is always the most childish bullshit. I'm not just some hateful bigot, I'm a realist who understands how the world works.

>>519092958 (OP)
Can't even argue with these people because on an extremely fundamental level, they are clueless. Like arguing about tides with someone who says the Earth is flat. You just can't do it because their entire basis for the fundamental shape of the world, is wrong.

>>519093459
Crypto is not money. It's a speculative asset, most charitably.

>>519092958 (OP)
>no plan on meeting people's needs
>doesn't know about jews

that's a retarded take.

>>519093836
nigger fuck off the shit you type is not readable

>>519092958 (OP)
"late stage capitalism" is just code word for a normal economy after jews get their claws on it.

>>519093739
>I wasn't raised to be able to handle it.
What the fuck does that even mean, you pussy? Just learn some fucking bushcraft.

>>519093717
here's your consciousness and tech bro
>>519093830
You know what the sad part is? Their dreams are dead and they know it. A couple decades ago people talked about self-sustaining arcologies. Now they bitch about wanting walkable cities instead. Sad as fuck.

>>519092958 (OP)
How does anyone defend nigger animal beasts after 65 years of murder & rape?
>>519093220
Actually when Nations of people kept to their own.
They would leave their neighbors out in the street you cosmopolitan fuck tard.
People like you need their teeth kicked in.
You in it!

Before the lets pretend niggers are human 50s and 60s.
There wasn't homeless in the USA.
I bet you worship niggers also because you are one.
fucking nigger animal should shut your nigger fucking mouth!
Nothing worse than some entitled nigger bastard and their are unduly tons of you sub human coon fucking animals in places you never earn, maintain, nor deserve.
Unless its fancies nigger fucking basterdry.

You need your teeth kick in.
You fucking need it!

>>519093900
You sound like someone with some great ideas. Please go on.

>>519093717
If modern humans had access to Star Trek replicator technology, people would use it to make guns, drugs, junk food, bombs, more drugs, gold and silver(crashing the value of gold and silver), dildos, even more drugs, and bigger dildos.
You know it.
I know it.
We are not evolved enough to live in a utopia. Utopias are for higher beings.

>>519093828
The indignation never stops though.

>>519093836
Well said.

>>519092958 (OP)
Communism was the same tho

>>519093210
>>519093837
I'm so good at spotting MMT fucktards

>>519094000
yeah, indignation because they hatetheir natural superior

>>519092958 (OP)
>How does anyone defend late stage capitalism in 2025?
Well, I guess you have to understand the extent of lying first. If I say lasagana is a mix of shit and piss, you probably won't order lasagna.

But let's say, your father disowned you and you can't afford nothing else but... lasagna.

>>519093893
Because they don't think. About anything. They get their opinions from the nightly news and never interact with them more than that. When pressed on any issue at all, you can see them floundering because that doesn't fit the script they were read on tv so they don't know what to do. It makes me think the npc meme might actually be true.

>>519093985
you are right, humans are trash, we dont even come close to the moral narratives we craft

>>519092958 (OP)
stop buying trinkets
lots of fats who are "poor"

>>519093985
If the holodeck came with it, everyone would be too busy orgasming themselves to death to do anything else

>>519093985
the crashing of gold did happen in star trek when that tech came out, yeah.
and the 500 cigarettes fiasco... oh boy.

>>519093964
You don't sound like a nigger animal you are a dumb fucking nigger animal.

For starters segregation.
You fucking nigger fucking animal!

>>519093484
You're actually not allowed to go live innawoods. It's against the state and national parks rules to set up a permanent residency there. You'd have to live transiently, or clandestinely innawoods and face prosecution, fines, and the asstastic prison environment if you get caught.

Fuck you think this is? Paul bunyaning the wild with your ox Blue? The land of the free? Shiet.

Commies never explain what "late stage" capitalism means.

As far as I know there is only capitalism, and it's epic.

>>519094170
Forget late-stage capitalism, you sound like you have late-stage dementia.

1. No one is starving under western capitalism, on the contrary we are overweight on average. Implying a minimum wage or even benefits recipient cant afford basic food is false. Anyone who even thinks this has never traveled to a developing nation.

2. In a free market, people can choose to live in communes. How come most hippy communes max out around a dozen or two residents before tensions take over? Whats stopping every local communist club from pooling resources and developing 60 acres outside of town? All youd need is a handful of skilled tradesmen to build it up and maintain it.

The reason is because these skilled people who could make it happen have chosen capitalism because any half decent plumber or carpenter with the required motivation has a great life as-is.

Communist fantasizers are usually of the unskilled variety, which ironically are the first to be culled.

3. I would agree with something closer to a communist society if it were very strict protectionist nationalist, pro-industrialization, and pro-natural resource extraction. Zero modern day commies dont comprehend this. They want an open-border, communist, zero-industry, green utopia that physically would not work.

>>519094245
>free
>? correction due

>>519094245
Retard, there are plenty of places where you can go and set up a shack and not encounter a single other person for years. There is plenty of untamed wilderness in this country if you know where to look. You're so fucking dumb.

>>519092958 (OP)
From what I observe it's based on having a fundamental contempt for other people

>>519094078
Right now absolutely. Anyone that tries to talk about having a utopia or communism should immediately be countered with my argument above.
The problem with humanity, is not money. It's humans. We are not evolved enough yet. Nowhere close to it.
A minimum global IQ of 130 is the base requirement.

>>519093025
>Just hunt bison bro

>>519093658
>utopia does not exist
Yes, but there have been golden ages of prosperity where countries had gotten remarkably close to that ideal. Until jews infiltrated those countries and bled them dry.

>>519092958 (OP)
poor people are poor because they are poor people. thats who they are, thats how they think.

>>519094350
Even if you don't include public land, you can literally by a parcel of hunting land or something for $10k or something and never be bothered. If thats too much money for you, its over.

>>519094407
Those are actually cow skulls outside a slaughterhouse. Not sure what point you were trying to make even if they were buffalo.

>>519093025
I do live in the forest and I do hate capitalism and love socialism. I paid nothing for any of my 4 kids being born because Healthcare for children is free. My kids attend well run government childcare for free. My wife take a full year off work with pay every time we have a baby. America has women back at work in 5 weeks with a nigger or mexican taking care of their baby while their cunt is still bleeding in Mr. Shekelberg's office chair.

>>519093025
I like the sentiment but the truth is that humans have almost always lived in groups and group living is necessary for sustainable existence for 99% of people, and certainly for any quality of life. The majority of your ancestors going back to before recorded history would not have accepted living alone in the wilderness as an acceptable quality of life. Any lifestyle that prevents you from raising a family is a denial of your fundamental biological drive and ultimately a surrender only marginally removed from straight up suicide.
I think homesteading is the more reasonable alternative. Raising crops and livestock to maintain your own existence is an acceptable quality of life. But the barriers to entry are very high in the modern age. The startup capital to buy a small plot of land and all the equipment necessary to raise crops and/or livestock is prohibitively expensive for the majority of people. This isn't necessarily a new phenomenon unique to modern capitalism, but it is still the reality we face.
Blanket defences of capitalism with phrases like 'if you hate it so much just go and illegally squat on government land and forage for food' are retarded and can be applied to any form of society. Don't like communism? Go live in the Siberian wilderness. Don't like feudalism? Go live in the Sherwood forest. Just like that cringe leftist comic points out, just because you participate in society does not mean that you have to endorse it.

I can't defend something that doesn't exist.
Why do you faggots insist on conflating communist infect vulture capitalism with regular, healthy capitalism?

>>519094350
Those areas are monitored by park rangers and infrared drone flyovers.

You're retarded, as soon as a government officials finds you, whether you've been there for 1 year or 40 years, you're cooked.

A lot of those areas are also seasonal hunting grounds. You're projecting delusion, and you technically said he's "free to", which is absolutely not the legal case. Quit being a contortionist fag; the shit doesn't exist

>>519094488
I literally don't care. Your country is smaller than my state. No shit it's easier to run than the third largest country in the world. Fuck off back to bumfuckistan, nigger.

Why the FUCK would I want the life of myself and my loved ones improved if it means a billionaire will have slightly less money? It is my duty as an American conservative to lick boots.

Ok hear me out. Two fiscally illiterate human mammals fuck for 5 minutes and oops pregnant. Go through with it out of guilt. Don't teach it anything about anything because it's just two human mammals fucking. Expect the government to keep it alive because you are too incapable of doing anything for it. It repeats the cycle. Then hate on other human mammals that realize making loads of made up currency is extremely easy unless you don't have much capability or mindset to make made up stuff. Before you ever fill up a pussy or get your pussy filled up perhaps try filling up your fucking brain. Then you too can at least figure out how to make enough made up currency to put food in the hole in your face and keep yourself out of the elements without the government having to do it for you.
Perhaps the government should pass a law that if you are kept alive by welfare in your youth that you are signed up to the military automatically at the age of 17 as long as you are able bodied. If you are too fat the government fed you too much and you get sent to physical education camp to make sure your ass can serve. Oh that's too harsh. It's cruel to keep human mammals in a zoo too but you accept that with no issues at all.
Welfare shouldn't be a generational survival tactic. If it is there is a serious imbalance in what it means to a human with a functioning brain.

>>519094609
Is your state bigger than Japan or Canada or Australia?

>>519094554
Why not join the local communist club and pool resources for the start up capital? Why not start a whole town that fundamentally operates under capitalism in some low cost of living state? You can buy entire blocks on the outskirts of Detroit for example.

Perhaps its because the communists dont actually want to do anything and want it handed to them?

>>519094565
Because they only like easy Marx. Das Kapital is hard. Kek

>>519093025
Don't get wrapped up in his little faggot word games. all of this is just a bad attempt to hide the fact that we're in our present economic woes because our government has been devouring more and more of the private sector economy to incentivize an ever shrinking number of corporations to act as government agents in all but name. Our current economy is about as capitalistic as the Peoples Republic of North Korea is an actual republic.

>>519094554
It literally does or you're a hypocrite. I never once said he had to live alone. You think the american pioneers weren't subsistence farming largely isolated from one another? People can live like that. Bitching about how bad you have it to someone on the other side of the world is a slap in the face to every ancestor you had. Have some respect for what your forefathers built for you.

>>519092958 (OP)
Because this concept of capitalism vs communism or socialism is a false dichotomy.

It's all free market, and it's all capitalism. Capitalism is obviously is a more outright productive system as history has proved.

So then the question becomes what if I'm sad, even if it's more productive? Shouldn't happiness be the goal? Not productivity?

Absolutely not. Because if you had a happy society vs a productive society. The productive one would dominate and colonise the happy one, and you would have two productive societies.

The only way utopias exist is in the bubble of capitalistic systems in the short term.

IE. The government is actually an extremely free market entity. In that a bigger more well armed and well connected government can topple them easily. So at the top level, might is right and there is no socialist policies. Only raw productivity matters.

Once you establish productivity superiority. Then you can think about trying to make life better for the average person, but it is by no means the goal.. and if it WAS your goal to the detriment of productivty itself, then your society would eventually be taken over by a more productive society.

>>519094060
>It makes me think the npc meme might actually be true.
Unfortunately it is. Friend of mine used to call them "goybots." Keep in mind he was schizophrenic and jewish, but still.

>>519094625
That's not how it works. The government doesn't just start giving away money when they take more from rich Jews.

"Taxing the rich" is an antisemitic dog whistle, nigger.

>>519094566
Yeah, I'm sure it's all mapped out daily. Get a load of this dipshit. And what will they do to you if they do find you? Tell you to fuck off somewhere else? I guarantee you can go to alaska and not get bothered by a fucking soul, you retard.

>>519094258
It's called "nigger animal fatigue"
That's what happens when sub humans don't keep to their own while they murder, rob, & rape and pretend their innocent at the same time while being parasites to a greater humantiy at the same time.

Which no nigger animal beast spawn could ever create.
Even if nigger animal beast spawn was given infinite space & time.

Only a stupid fucking nigger would say the most generic dumb ape parasite bastard shit which you do.
Because that is exactly what you are.
A stupid fucking parasite fucking nigger animal.
And if you weren't a nigger.
Then you'd be as fucking stupid and as parasitical as one.

TND
NOW THAT'S A PLAN I CAN TRUST!

>>519093025
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU PIECE OF SHIT BOOT LICKER
YOU'LL FACE THE WALL

> late stage capitalism
Biggest pseud indicator in the English language

>>519092958 (OP)
>a nice safe world where everyone's basic needs are met
that's not the default, you retarded fucking faggot

>>519093498
Unicorn Fartopia

>>519094749
Based and truthpilled
>>519094811
How should I react when it's both my parents? Maybe not my dad, he just goes along with what my mom says but she for sure has no clue how anything works.

>>519093062
There won't be a next generation of you because you are a genetic failure and you are trying to convince us that this is our problem.
Kill yourself.
Im not joking
Die.

>>519094855
You got a be 18 years old to post here

>>519092958 (OP)
The problem with socialism is the optimal play is to do nothing and collect benefits.

But if everyone does that th whole shit collapses.

And thus the only way to stop it collapsing is more and more harsh punishments for doing the literal optimal play.

This inevitably results In gulags and conveyor belts of death.
This is why whenever communism is tried, it inevitably results in mass death. It's unavoidable. It's part of communism.

>>519093516
internet has spoiled us with the unfiltered truth
it's like eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil
innocence lost = paradise lost
>video games? kike slop
there's enough retro vidya to last a life time
but as far as modern games, Clair Obscur has rekindled hope that was long thought lost

>>519092958 (OP)
Don't forget infinijeets, also a capitalism core tenet

>>519092958 (OP)
go starve yourself commie

>>519092958 (OP)
The poor create the wealth of the rich. If the poor just stopped working then the rich would die out like parasites. But as long as the poor are too weak to use their labor power to take more than what they’re currently allotted, they have no right to complain about what they actually have.

>>519092958 (OP)
Though not explicitly stated, we know the two people in this hypothetical scenario are jewish.

>>519092958 (OP)
People back then were very violent. Coal miners were having shootouts with police and eventually got what they wanted.
Violence may not be the answer, but it's certainly an effective means.

You only need a good WAAAGH! to get the ball rolling.
People just need to mob up and get rowdy, and momentum will handle the rest.

>>519095268
Kind of this.
You need to create artificial scarcity and fear of poverty to get the masses to work so you don't have to.

>>519094991
>How should I react
"okay boomer" is all you need. people dont change their minds with age, society changes its mind when the old die off

The USA hasn't been a capitalist country since the Federal Reserve was established in 1913

>>519095023
I'm not the one arguing in favor of communism, you juvenile fuckhead.

>>519094998
k

>>519094775
So your original post should read 'go find a group of people willing to join you in the forest and build a new society from scratch'.
In other words not at all the option on the table for you to take at any point that your post made it sound like.
People levy the exact same attack at anti-neoliberals, White nationalists etc. Why not just go and form an enclave somewhere where you can practice your ideals with like minded people? Well good luck finding even one person willing to go on this undertaking with you, let alone a whole group. And good luck avoiding state detection when it's not just you hiding out alone but a whole mini society drawing attention from locals, park rangers etc. It is just pointless deflection that shuts down any real discussion of problems in society.

>>519094728
I mean hippie communes have been a thing forever. They inevitable fail because the type of person they attract is exactly the type of person you would expect. Anything more than a bunch of layabouts raising crops until whatever seed money from some tripped out hippie boomer runs out, anything that grows to resemble a functional town, is ultimately going to be subjected to the laws of whatever society it is surrounded by. For White nationalists that would mean anti-discrimation laws, and for commies (and libertarians) that would mean labor laws. A person living in a commie commune who decides to leave will be entitled under law to a portion of equity in whatever home they were living in, or whatever businesses they were participating in (unless a law abiding ownership structure was already in place that denied them this). In other words their right to private property can not be stripped from them even by their decision to live in a communist practicing community. And I agree with this by the way. Commie cults shouldn't be allowed to exploit productive members for years and then deny them the equity in what they have built when they finally see the light of day.

>>519095268
The poor line up and vote the same congress members to keep their same seat for 40 years. Explain how the same name gets elected time and again. Congress makes every law and controls all money. Why do they get grand job security from idiots that have almost nothing and can never hope to keep a job 40 years and become a multi multi millionaire, probably a billionaire. Because ignorance is terminal and they rely on it.

>>519094609
Do you own that state or something?
By that logic, I live on the Eurasian landmass world continent which is much much larger than your tiny America.
Also: your children will be killed by niggers. Many such cases, sad.

>>519093025
what forest?

>>519092958 (OP)
maybe stop being poor and work

>>519093025
You would be safer in the forest with bears then with a capitalist especially if the capitalist is a man. The bear is always the correct choice

>>519092958 (OP)
Dunno, ask people why they allowed the Wallstreet and the federal reserve to be created

>>519093137
>25 year old female
>Are you man enough to be a father to Tyrone and D'Lashel?
>6' and over only

>>519095655
Theres plenty of ways around the issue of split ownership. Have the property owned in trust, and charge everyone who lives there 'rent' so they are not owners, but tenants. $50 a month or something arbitrary. Even could sign 99 yr sub-leases or something. The law is not a prohibitive factor, its just the lack of any commies truly wanting to organize seriously.

>Im not a loser because im retarded and useless
>Im a loser because elon musk has a yacht
Yeah, no worries

>>519092958 (OP)
>everyone's basic needs are met
Subsidizing the weak and useless is what caused all the issues in the first place. I'll support UBI when participants are sterilized and can't vote

>>519093025
my ancestors also killed kings and slaughtered their children and looted their castles

>>519095951
>t. uhljeb

>>519092958 (OP)
Keep whining kid.
You still have to get a job if you dont want to be homeless.
Life sucks then you die.
Get fucked.

>>519095663
>The poor line up and vote
eligible voter turnout barely eclipses 50% during presidential election years. and barely half of that in off-years.
if you ever see local elections in off-years its like 10% participation.
>tldr: no one really cares anymore

>>519095914
I think it is more feasible for communists to set up their own community than other ideologies sure. My only point is that it is not a valid argument against a communist or a person with any ideology to just accuse them of not actually endorsing their beliefs because they do not live in some hypothetical break off society that practices them. It is the equivalent of saying to a person who hates the jewish world order that we live under, why don't you just go and form a society free of jewish degeneracy, maybe you actually love living under jewish rule. Maybe anti-semites just suck at organisation and don't take their beliefs seriously? It's just a meaningless accusation to throw around that can be applied to literally anyone with a greivance against the society they live in.

>>519092958 (OP)
Capitalism is about creating a supply of goods that nobody can even consume.
This is mostly good, but it only works with some portion of society being effectively slaves. Someone needs to produce the goods. Giving everyone food and housing would decrease worker productivity, which is bad for the supply of goods.

>>519094991
>How should I react when it's both my parents?
The first guy to reply to you isn't far off. You just have to accept they're programmed and there's practically nothing you can do about it.

>>519092958 (OP)
Capitalism wouldn't be an issue if the politicians weren't bought and paid for. Tax the billionaires and shift the burden to them. If you control 90% of the money, then you are liable for 90% of the taxes

total r*dditor death

>>519094991
>How should I react when it's both my parents?
just keep reminding them who will take care of them when they are old

>>519093025
That didn't work out for the Unabomber.

Why do criminals need their needs met the same as peaceful citizens?
How do commies plan to produce goods when being productive is disincentivized?
Why are commies always motivated by envy and hatred for those with more than them?
Why don't they understand that declaring something a human right doesn't solve scarcity?

>>519092958 (OP)
Use some form of eugenic program to reshape our population IQ distribution to the current upper quartile and then we can talk. If the mongoloids have their revolution now we'll end up with the entire country looking like downtown LA slums.

>>519096717
Do you think the Federal Reserve and a free market are the same thing?

>>519093062
>i obsess so much over other people's money that its my entire identity
>everyone else should pay for me to live while I give nothing im return
>you guys are jews for not being like me
Have you considered that maybe you are the jew?

>>519092958 (OP)
Spending the money on food instead of 500 yachts couldn't even feed 1 US state for a day, let alone everyone in the world forever.

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>>519093588
Communism is kosher because it gives poor Jews money they didn't earn (welfare).

Capitalism is kosher because it gives rich Jews money they didn't earn (interest).

>>519093271
Bro, boots are already kicking down doors.
Masked men are abducting people right now. Its just not the side of the communists and other people are saying "when do we get cheaper gas?" While being lined up at the wall.
Are you dense?

>>519092958 (OP)
You can't. Capitalism doesn't work in the time of global labor immigration, automation and AI.It's eating itself alive, which is evident when the rich get richer and poor get poorer.

Communism and fascism don't work either. They require total ideological obedience, free-thinkin is not allowed and dissent is punished. Progress cannot be made in such a system, This is why socialist countries always stagnate.

Something new is required

>>519092958 (OP)
false equivalences

>>519092958 (OP)
Why are communists talking about a system they don't understand to such a degree they just reinvent it every single fucking time they gain power for five years before they begin pillaging and raping each other again?

Dana Donnelly is a fucking faggot nobody hapa woman. Opinion discarded seven ways to Sunday. She can go back to Indonesia if she hates it here so much.

>>519097283
Free markets can't function when none are able to buy and sell goods. Stockmarkets aren't tethered to real economy anymore. It's all a one massive bubble waiting to burst. Once AI and robots truly hit the market humans are obsolete. But without customers who are you going to sell your services and products to? Capitalism is hitting the gas and driving straight into a wall.

>>519092958 (OP)
LATE STATE JUDAISM.

>>519093210
>Pro-tip: the government creates money. Government spending is not dependent on revenue.
The value of said money is, however

>>519092958 (OP)
Leftoids really do live in an imaginary world where the food in the supermarket respawns like it's a video game. Someone has to do the work if you have no incentive for work then nobody works and everybody whose not farmer starves.

>>519097736
>Free markets can't function when none are able to buy and sell goods.
Automation vastly increases the rate goods can be produced while drastically reducing the time and cost.

>Once AI and robots truly hit the market humans are obsolete.
>But without customers
There you go, humans can't be obsolete if they are a necessary customer based to consume the goods that are being more rapidly and cheaply manufactured through automation, so your entire premise is flawed without taking those things into account.

>>519092958 (OP)
If you notice its mostly lefties getting rich off capitalism, that means something fucky is going on, find out what it is.

>>519092958 (OP)
All of the problems you complain about were brought about by government, not "Capitalism."

>>519092958 (OP)
>everyone’s basic needs are met
Who, exactly, meets those needs?

>>519092958 (OP)
But in a capitalist society, if someone can barely feed themselves, they are supposed to compete and provide a service to everyone else so they can support themselves. This way, everyone is encouraged to contribute. It's not capitalisms fault if you don't or if you agree to work for someone else for a low wage, start your own business. It's not capitalisms fault if your socialist food stamps don't cover birthday cakes. Compete and grow stronger like everyone else.

>>519098157
No, its mostly rich lefties who want to get famous and since you are an normie cattle aspiring to star fucking, those are the only types of rich people you actually notice or care about.

>>519093025
Our ancestors were killing men and replacing bloodlines like nature intended. Capitalism only exists to prevent this from happening. That’s why men with weak genes can only survive in a capitalist society otherwise they would’ve been dead as a infant.

>>519098637
Your mom.

>>519092958 (OP)
if you want a honestnon shill/politically charged awnser is because it had worked for a long time.

>>519092958 (OP)
i have yet to see this fictional alternative reality to capitalism. china is the BEST example of communism and they have more homeless and destitute people than the US.

>>519098101
>Automation vastly increases the rate goods can be produced while drastically reducing the time and cost.

We have historical precedence that corporations will rather drive everything to the ground than lower prices. You may hate WEF and Klaus Schwab but he is absolutely right when he identified the source of the problem. It's shareholder expectations that aren't realistic anymore.

But even privately owned corporations are problematic. Privately owned corporations may choose to prioritize power over profits. The american libertarian thesis falls apart the moment you do not think corporations as pure profit making machines, but superorganisms in and onto themselves. When you look at this from the view of power, you'll soon realize that a corporation is just a state waiting to claim it's own sovereign territory.

>>519098723
You tell them boss, these days, all those kids with severe genetic diseases from infancy are just too damn lazy to pull themselves up by the boot straps and learn to work hard enough to compete with everyone else.

>>519092958 (OP)
Communism is like "what if we force everyone to work for free and then starve to death in the winter"

>>519092958 (OP)
Those 2 people want to start fake wars to kill everyone so they can boost it to 700 yachts.

>>519098723
Have you ever played monopoly? Capitalism is a game where there are winners and losers. But when someone wins the game, it resets. Historically that reset was war. But now we have weapons too powerful to let the game reset.

>>519093193
they are like faggot OP

>>519098993
No, we have historical precedence that only the corporations like amazon and walmart who are always seeking lower costs and prices survive in the long run.
The vast majority of corporations explicitly don't want to be responsible for law making or enforcing, so they will never be their own state because they don't want to be held accountable for their actions since the entire purpose of corporate personhood in the first place is to allow the human persons in charge of it to avoid personal accountability by having a strawman patsy fall guy.

>>519099173
700 superyachts would require around 14,000 full time staff, so they can't kill everyone if they actually want to use their yachts.

>>519093193
>>519099310
What do you expect? They game of life they are supposed to play is so rigged against they can't compete, and when you can't even compete how are you supposed to win? Communsim is just their way to say they refuse to play a rigged game. I agree game of communism is even worse but at least I recognize the root of the problem.

>>519093025
Shut up leftist
Capitalism is cringe, gay, brown and jewish

>>519099252
We also have sophisticated banking and offshoring

>>519099341
Corporations like Amazon or Tesla would absolutely seize power if making their own rules and enforcing them would be cost-effective. Currently its more cost-effective to out source those to the state, which they can control through lobbying, campaign contributions and out right bribery.

>>519099588
Which only means regional wars are nolonger a sufficient way to reset the game of capitalism.

>>519099629
Eternal reminder that india got conqured by a fucking tea company
Lmao

>>519099681
what is the solution?

>>519099725
There are 3 solutions. None of which are good for the majority population. #1 Technofeudalism #2 automated "luxury" communsim where everyone gets their basic needs met but only basic needs. #3 World wide mass death event f.ex. global nuclear exchange or a manufactured pandemic.

>>519099629
>if making their own rules and enforcing them would be cost-effective.
But its not which is why the vast majority of corporations don't want to be law makers or enforcers themselves outside of when they must do business in war zones or collapsed states and even then they typically pull out of those areas rather quickly as the costs spiral.

>>519100048
1- will collapse soon
2- china but in english
3- most likely.

>>519099692
This is exactly where we are going globally. Companies will turn into de facto states.

>>519092958 (OP)
you redpill those you love.

>>519099629
The state is only "cost effective" because they pay for it everything with stolen money and have disarmed everyone to the point that they can rob at will. If Amazon or Tesla had to actually pay for enforcement on a free market and were trying to engage in aggressive violence to force their will on a population which also had access to a free market and could therefor spend on their own defense as they saw fit, then Amazon and Tesla would go bankrupt because they're totally dependent on government grants and protection from competition by government regulations anyway. Socialists always go "oh yeah, well what if we stopped using aggressive power to stop propping up megacorporations, I bet you wouldn't like that huh?". You're all fucking tards.

> "By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved an important part of the wealth of their citizens."
> - John Maynard

https://archive.org/details/a-history-of-central-banking-and-the-enslavement-of-mankind-pdfdrive

https://archive.org/details/TheCreatureFromJekyllIslandGriffin

> "The governments of the nations forming the Universal Republic will all pass effortlessly into Israelite hands, thanks to the victory of the proletariat, Individual property can then be abolished by the rulers of the Judaic race who administer the public fortune everywhere.
> In this way the promise of the Talmud will be fulfilled, that when the Times of the Messiah have come, the Jews will hold under their keys the property of all the peoples of the world".
> - Baruch Levy, a letter to Karl Marx

https://web.archive.org/web/20250507172444if_/https://craighutchinson.substack.com/p/the-secret-origins-of-bolshevism
https://archive.is/wV88ay

>>519092958 (OP)
I really dislike criticism of "capitalism" in the abstract. I'm basically a communist in that I would abolish private property but you NEED to criticize PEOPLE and it needs to be the RIGHT people.

Abstract criticism just invite abstract defenses and you don't actually accomplish anything.

>>519093062
No I don't get it because I work for a living and neets don't have shit to say that is worth hearing. Especially leftist neets.
Go cry to reddit or twitter and vote in your slave masters all over again that hand out your income to worthless DEI genderblobs as soon as you get any.


>if only i could be a real libertarian man and be free from this system
Go be free from it then if you're such a badass. There are more ways to leave society than ever. Follow your John McAfee leader.

>>519093333
"Late capitalism" as a term was created by Werner Sombart who while he started out as a disciple of Engels eventually became a National Socialist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_capitalism

>>519092958 (OP)
How the fuck you would provide those basic needs when the ones who need them surpass the value of those 500 yachts on muttland alone.

>>519092958 (OP)
Late stage communism jewish capitalism is the problem more judoe bolsehvik nonsense thats the usurer regime you filthy nigger

>>519100663
Similar the term "social justice" was originally used by Father Coughlin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin#Social_justice

All of these things that the annoying
bash the fash" redditors use originate with various fascists, almost to a man.

Literally name something leftists talk about and I'll tell you the Fascist that originated it.

>>519097780
(((State Capitalism))) is designed to destroy states and bring forth so much debt and government agency that "the workers of the world unite" and demand International Socialisim.
Commie's "2-stage revolution theory" is done through (((Keynesian))) economics model:
> turn money into fiat debt-currency
> increase government spending/debt
> government control of major industry
> government encourages people to spend, spend, spend
> government provides jobs
> eventually leads to global world crisisses and the States end
All while promoting Neocon/Natbol/Leftist narratives globally:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-stage_theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics
REAL CAPITALISM = INDUSTRIAL CAPITALISM

>>519100663
So how much longer till the commies drop this communism crap and embrace Natsoc?

>>519092958 (OP)
Capitalism works if it's restricted. When short-sighted people start treating it like a five year old would just trying to feverishly acquire everything it ceases to work. In this sense Capitalism is like the honesty box selling a farmers goods, it can work, but it only takes one person to ruin it for everyone.

>>519100868
As long as it takes them to be stuck on anti-Zionism rather than anti-semitism

>>519100868
Never
They will however embrace fascism as thats just communism but actually works.
The goal of communism or well leftism is international socialism.

Its not fascism that they are actually against its nationalism
Thats why their main villain isnt Mussolini but Hitler instead.

>>519092958 (OP)
>>519093062
The single worst famine in human history happened in a communist nation.

>>519093455
Free Market Enterprise:
1. a market condition free from regulation imposed by government (except where government intervenes to protect property rights).
2. an economic system based purely on supply and demand, free from monopoly, oligopoly, restraint of trade, subsidies, central bank fiat currency and all government regulation.
3. capitalism is at its best when operated under free market conditions.

>>519101109
I wonder if the commies would accept some kind of "molotov-ribentrop" pact where we mutually agree that the Holocaust and Holodomor didn't happen. This is not related to whether those event really didn't happen, but both of these groups must understand that pointing fingers about atrocities only allows Liberalism to remain unchallenged. Instead of whining about genocides we ought to interact with each other based on debates over systems, and so pretending like no genocides ever occured allows us the freedom to actually debate.

So for any Communists, what issue do you ACTUALLY have with National Socialism if you can't point to muh holocaust?

My criticism of Communism is that you never actually implemented Communism, instead Actually Existing Socialism is literally just Fascism (and that's a good thing)

So the issue is you are operating under an entirely incorrect theory but the demands of practicality cause you to end up implementing a correct theory. Fascists can implement Actually Existing Socialism with zero shame about it, whereas you need to create increasingly convoluted excuses to deny that what you are doing is just fascism.

>>519101209
>free from monopoly, oligopoly
How do you ensure this in a free market?

>>519101209
Without regulation then the first group to make lots of money will inevitably buy everything, control everything, can set the price for everything, dictate who gets employment, control the media they see, fund political interests and in effect create their own communism by purchasing the entirety of capitalism. Sound familiar?

>>519101057
Honestly we should probably just try to educate them on fascism to put them out of their misery, or at least we could do that if they would stop bashing us.

>>519092958 (OP)
counter question: why would I provide that retarded cunt with a house, food, clothes and so on if she does nothing in exchange?
what does she think where all the goods and services she consumes come from?
someone invested effort into it, and they will want something of equal value in exchange.
folding paper planes for 8 hours a day does not create the same value as spending 8 hours building houses, so naturally someone else will have more money than her if all she does is useless shit.

>>519101362
Wouldnt it be more effective to point out liberalisms genocides by getting the guys complaining about palestinian genocide to understand the same people are doing white genocide?

The holowhatevers are so far in the past who gives a fuck about them other than boomers. Focus on the now.
Liberalism is committing two genocides simultaniously and its being done by the jews, who both nazis and muslims hate.

I think a good start would be allying with the muslims who arent in the west, the ones still in the middle east, as for the muslims in the west we should offer these guys support in fighting israel in exchange for them fucking off back to the desert

>>519101630
Great rebuttal, parasite. I can already imagine how useful and valuable your goods and services are, kek
You will never own a home because nothing you have ever done even approaches the value of the labor that goes into building a home.
You don't deserve shit just because you idled away 8 hours a day.

>>519101057
>They will however embrace fascism as thats just communism but actually works.
China is a good demonstration of that

>>519092958 (OP)
Are these people seriously unaware the first move of any fascist regime is to kill off the useful idiots?

>>519101865
>China is a good demonstration of that
It very much is.

>>519101913
>fascist regime
Which fascist regime has done that?

>>519101651
I say we should offer them a swap-a-roo where they go occupy the houses of the Israelis and we send the Israelis to Florida to keep an eye on them in a place which is forsaken by god anyway.

The purpose in explicitly making the communists a deal to abrogate the 20th century genocides is that the Liberal Moralizers hold those both over our heads so they are the ones who are most willing to agree to move past it. Liberal boomers are a lost cause on this, but a historical reset so we can actually do illiberal economics without having to deal with screeching all the time is the only way it is ever going to happen.

Again as for the muslims, organizing them into a "crusade" in the literal sense, people who head out of europe to go reconquer the holy land seems like the best way to actually defeat Israel. They get training and weapons on the agreement that they stay in the middle east after they conquer it from the Zionists. It isn't just Palestine either, but Egypt, Jordan, and now Syria have Zionists governments so they will have a lot of cleaning up to do.

>>519092958 (OP)
>How does anyone defend late stage capitalism in 2025?
Has there ever been a time in the history of Capitalism that this hasn't been the case?

>>519101564
>folding paper planes for 8 hours a day does not create the same value as spending 8 hours building houses, so naturally someone else will have more money than her if all she does is useless shit.
I would argue that printing money and ensuring that you get the majority of it to buy assets doesn't provide much value to anybody but yourself.
Yet this is rewarded more than any other activity in the modern West.

>>519092958 (OP)
How else should people live and what can be done?

>>519101980
I suppose you're right the most effective action is to do both.
Holocaust and holodomor never happened
Plus sending the muslims to go fight israel.

>>519101980
>best way to actually defeat Israe
Defeating Israel is defeating the American Empire.
Israel is an extension of the American Empire.
A way to control the flow of oil and trade.
A way to maintain Empire.

>>519102123
Supporting the jews doesnt work out for empires
T. Former empire.

>>519092958 (OP)
Yeah, "capitalism" is why countries are not safe lmfao

>>519101109
Yup. Centralization of power sucks when the central power is a retarded Chinese peasant barely able to read.

>>519097160
>poor Jews
No such thing kike

>>519102111
Holodomor is going to negatively impact National Socialism. We might think that it "cancels out" the holocaust or whatever, but amongst boomers it just fits into a paradigm of "socialism bad" which means Communisms bad = Nazis bad.

Communists however have not understood this association where they are regarded as Nazism-lite and all upholding Nazis as being evil does for them is making people anti-socialist.

We both need a historical reset to get anywhere.

>>519101564
I would recommend for your to read Bullshit Jobs by David Graeber, After reading it you'll realize the most "valuable" jobs public or private, subtract from overall value and add nothing. People folding paperplanes just to keep capitalsim going because the alternative would be to admit that we have too many people to give them actual jobs that add actual value.

Also those that add value are usually the ones that make the least amounrt of money, in the current system.

>if you don't like the state of capitalism you are... a commie!
Has this actually worked on anybody after 1970?

>>519101845
People who only subtract from over all value created by actual labor, are the most lucrative. Managerial class are just parasites and they thrive in this current form of capitalism.

>>519092958 (OP)
>People just labour away to provide for strangers out of the kindness of their heart
What a childish view of the world you must have to subscribe to these beliefs

>>519102962
This might be surprising to hear but if people's basic needs are met they tend to be willing to do things for the pleasure of it instead of out of necessity.

>>519092958 (OP)
People like luigi lead the way, problem is most people are numbed down in their routine to even think straight after 10 work days. Capitalism and (((they))) won, it's too late for us. It all has to come down before it starts to become better

>>519102962
>What a childish view of the world you must have to subscribe to these beliefs
Why is it "childish?." Isn't it the truth?

>>519103029
Their needs will be met by the labour of others you stupid cunt are you going to be doing the gruelling break backing work while others do fuck all and get the same reward as you

>>519103112
Back breaking*

>>519094260
>Communist fantasizers are usually of the unskilled variety
Unskilled and poor. The ones born into fortune never experience any hardships in their lives. And given how most people are idiots, it goes to follow that most od the rich are too. But they don't have to survive on minumum wage while doing real work that keeps society together.

>>519103029
It's also possible that one can provide extra stuff to those who do less desirable things. For instance reserving larger houses for those who agree to work in eldercare as an incentive for them to do it, thus shortages can be filled. It isn't like people will go without housing, but if you want the better stuff you can do the stuff that is most needed but less fun.

>>519103110
Considering every Communist regime has been enforced at the barrel of a gun I would say that quite clearly it isn't the truth

>>519103112
I'd be happy to do farm work if I thought I was contributing to a natsoc society.

>>519103224
The people promoting this are Communists who don't believe in borders and would expect you to provide for every brown in the world who showed up

>>519092958 (OP)
>Okay lets show how a capitlist country where the standard of living for everyone, even the poor was better than the best of the best of all of the world of all of history combined, and how it went to complete shit JUST by adopting a handful of socialist policies
>and then blame the consequences of socialism on capitalism to get more socialism
>repeat undil goundry gollapses and moob 2 negd coundry :DDDDDD

>>519102962
People already slave away almost 40 hours a week to give CEOs a bunch of yachts so they can sit on the yachts with bags of money and ride a Bugatti carried by a helicopter off the yacht and drive the Bugatti around.

>>519103112
To a degree but someone working 40+ hours a week and still struggling won't magically have bread on their table or gas in their car because someone else is also working 40+ hours a week. They have the means to access it yes but I personally don't think it's a good thing that some people need to choose one or the other.

>>519094998
Why do you choose to come spend your more valuable time with genetic failures?

>>519103193
>Communist regime
I think all regimes enforce with violence.

>>519092958 (OP)
After travelling around a bunch I realised the most depressing places on earth are some of the richest. Capital cities are universally disgusting, everyone is unhappy.

It's not fair that people can work 80 hours a week breaking their back in the packaging plant and not have one of these

>>519101967
Nazis, Soviets, Khmer Rouge, the Spannish, the argie junta, Italians, china.
It's always necictated to consolidate power idk what you wanna hear. That cadres of indoctrinated youths went around giving people flowers?

>>519103520
I think these things wouldn't have as much value if they were universal. Their rarerity is what makes them a luxury product.

>>519100594
>abolish private property
So I can walk up and just take your clothes then? I'll take you clothes, your boots and your motor cycle.

>>519103520
Even if they had the money for it they probably wouldn't have the credit for it.

>>519103382
Those people not only get something but different people get different things depending on a variety of factors under your system they all get the same and you may not like it but capitalist systems do make it possible for ordinary people to have better lives something that Marxists like Lukacs recognised and his strain of thought created Western Marxism the ideology that dominates the far-left today he realised that the working class would never be the catalyst for their revolution because the working class do actually benefit under capitalism which is why the left have abandoned the working class and now are focused on "oppressed groups" that will be the revolutionaries to overthrow the liberal world order

>>519092958 (OP)
The problem is there is really no good alternative. Communism is an entirely academic construct and has no real world application while classic Socialism always devolves into generic autocratic regimes.

>>519092958 (OP)
>can't feed themselves.
>still somehow find the time to procreate.
>muh paycheck to paycheck.

>>519103302
thats not natsoc

>>519103603
There's no reason at all why every car can't look like an awesome sports car. There's no physical law that prevents this.

>>519103815
Spoiler alert the people making the comments such as those in the OP aren't National Socialists you dumb cunt

>>519103698
>capitalist systems do make it possible for ordinary people
>(((ordinary people)))

>>519103852
Spoiler alert, that has nothing to do with what I said.

So many retards imagine that their perspective traps the thoughts of everyone else. You are an idiot.

>>519103802
And that kind of thinking is why the white natives in those progressive and wealthy capitalist western nations are dying out.

>>519103570
You are confusing enemies with useful idiots
That is exclusively on the communist side

>>519103871
Go live in Cuba then you'll do much better :^)
>>519103894
What you said had nothing to do with the OP which is about Communism you might as well comment about a utopian world where browns don't exist and people fly that was my entire point you're bringing up something completely unrelated you dumb nigger

>>519103991
Other posts exist in the thread, some discussing natsoc.

I'm going to try and help you here. You aren't even close to being as intelligent as you think you are. Just stop embarrassing yourself, take a step back and reassess your basic assumptions (about everything).

>>519103991
>Cuba
Are we talking ideologies or land now?
Last time I checked Cubans still lived on an island.

>>519093082
ya

>>519103911
This. And due to low birthrates capitalist systems aren't capable of sustaining themselves which means they need more worker drones from 3rd world countries.

At this point I'm willing to give socialism another chance, because while everyone would be poor, their basic needs are met and that incentives reproduction.

>>519103402
because i like being angry and mean to people who deserve it

>>519104060
You specifically replied to me when I was commenting about Communism your post was as relevant as though you wanted the world to resemble Narnia you stupid fuck

>>519093025
Where is forest anon these days?

>>519104233
You continually get dunked on in this thread and you're gay and your shit's all retarded.

>>519092958 (OP)
Capitalism means anything that is not Bolshevism.
It's a term coined by the same guy that created the term Racism as anything against Edomite Dictatorship.

Capitalism has pulled billions out of poverty. Fries in the bag.

>>519092958 (OP)
>How does anyone defend capitalism

By being retarded. That's l there is to it. Pro-capitalist arguments will NEVER come from smart people. And that's the the argument themselves are shit as well. Case in point:

>>519093025
>>519093271
>>519093308

>>519104334
Coming from the guy who said >>519104100 I take that as a compliment

>>519104436
If it wasn't for capitalism, you wouldn't be typing on 4chan, you wouldn't even have streets to shit in, it would just be trees and bushes.

>>519092958 (OP)
Because if everyone's needs are met, they have no loss conditions. A fuckup will continue to exist and even brag about being a fuckup. Society will degrade as a whole, nothing will improve and there will be no innovation.

>>519092958 (OP)
Capitalism's success is dependent on
1. Freedom of competition with minimal federal government interference outside of enforcing anti-monopoly laws and labor/safety laws
2. Anti-usury laws, which we had, up until about the 50s. Guess what happens to be a favorite Jewish pastime

>>519093025
When white people are gone and you'll live amongst shitskin you will eat those words

>>519104233
The context of your posts includes all of the other relevant comments in the thread. In any case I have determined that you do not rise to the level of an intelligent being with whom discourse is possible.

Please kill yourself at the next convenient opportunity. Transmission ends.

>>519104684
Glad you admitted defeat now I can go play League

>>519104527
>no innovation
Innovation doesn't come from capitalism you retard. Capitalists stifle innovation and consume resources that would be more useful in r&d.

I wish capitalists would stop claiming credit for what scientists have accomplished. The vast majority of science is done outside of capitalist institutions and is almost entirely funded by the government (who underfund it relative to nigger feeding programs and bombing the middle east).

>>519104774
>Get completely fucking owned
>declare victory
>depart to play vidja
What a fucking clown

>>519104818
>scientists invented the scrub daddy

>>519092958 (OP)
Most shitholes are explicitly communist already and they are shitholes because of that. If you don't want USA to turn into a shithole then stop voting for leftists which lower wages and increase housing prices trough their immigration policy

>>519104867
I invented you with a little help from your mom.

>>519104855
>Says they're not going to reply
>Replies
>Is defeated again back to back
Amazing

>>519104923
>you don't want USA to turn into a shithole
It already is.

>>519104818
This is completely wrong almost in it's entirety. The government spends 600B on private contractors like Raytheon, Palantir, and Lockhead Martin because the government is completely incapable of developing their own weapons and securities systems, they even decided that the private companies are better than them at it.

As far as what scientist have accomplished, it's the very same government cock your sucking that's caused the whole entire pharmaceutical industry to become a ghost town in the US and allowed China to completely begin stomping us in that regard. Likewise, the government is completely incapable and unequipped to find and scope out talent like the capitalist are. It's why you have scientist who are able to actually get funding to create new battery technologies, advancements in healthcare longevity, telomere reversal, stem cell advancement, and otherwise.

Quit sucking your governments cock so much, then again, I see your from the UK, so that's all your used to anyway. Praise Allah.

>>519104999
>Is defeated again back to back

>>519092958 (OP)
late stage capitalism is the only effective system on planet earth
all of the bad things happen not because of capitalism but because of socialism
this is a proven fact, with piles of scientific evidence
all the bad parts of america are socialist, go ahead and mention something, it is the socialist part that is the problem

Except that’s like some babble which appeals to the mentally ill with double digit iQ’s.
>i say a stupid thing
>you have to sort it out
>i think i win
You’re mentally deranged and you should be sectioned into a lunatic facility not used as a mad tool for harassing the sane.

>>519104975
Ayy lmao

>>519104334
when is the last time a democrat demolished a “crat” ???

>>519104999
>retard keeps slamming into the wall
>shits itself
We trained him wrong as a joke...

>>519092958 (OP)
how do you know it's late stage and not early stage? calling it late stage sounds like you think it will end soon

>>519103774
Yes there is.

A mandatory 20 hour per week work based system.

UBI.

Overtime for extra spending credits/fun tokens.

Bosh.

Things can be so different, but first the illusions of the mind need to be made aware of.

>>519105056
>Military companies somehow aren't the government.
>B but some research exists outside of government institutions.

You are not a scientist. I am. Government is dogshit and if it had a cock I'd cut it off and shove it into its own mouth. The fact remains though that capitalists are parasitic fucks who are handed most of the innovations they monitise as well as the capital to fund them by the same governments they complain about.

We really should start talking about how government and corporations/banks have merged into a single entity under capitalism.

>But thats not real capitalism!
Now who sounds like a commie?

>>519092958 (OP)
>Describe communism
>Call it capitalism

>>519105191
>>519104999
>Headcanon
I cachinnate at your incoherent babble
Conceptualise recieving posterior prolapsed owing to Jiren posting
I believe your most beloved character is Vegeta
You may genuflect posthaste

>>519093025
fighting bears and exploring uncharted shit sounds really more fun than whatever you could do on this shithole in 2025

>>519105533
meanwhile you won’t leave your house for another week

>>519092958 (OP)
Capitalism works when no jews.

>>519092958 (OP)
>defend this
Ok. There's no such thing as Late Stage Capitalism. The capital is moving to shitholes, there's nothing late about it. Its new money, over there.

>>519104436
>>519093025
>go to live in the forest
>build small shelter
>US FOREST SERVICE FEDERAL POLICE come after you with guns to throw you in prison
Wow thanks retarded americans, I literally cannot live freely at all.

>>519105343
Except you're just making up bullshit. Military companies are not the government, Palantir is a private company and contractor that develops security and weapons technologies and bids on contracts the US offers. Capitalist are not parasitic, it's leeches like you who have no idea how money works and who actually moves it. If you honestly believe our dumbass government that is capable of picking out talent, they can barely pick out people who can prevent an assassination. The Supreme Court literally has 2 judges that fundamentally don't understand the constitution, and don't get me started on congress. You have far too much faith in the government, and you have too little faith in the ability of individuals. But I'm sure you would be happy to take a picture of your government made computer your typing this dumb shit from, or perhaps your government made refrigerator and then get back to me.

For a scientist, you sure have no fucking clue about economics if you're wagering I'm a communist here you dumb faggot.

>>519105698
>no idea how money works
Define money in 5 words or less, 2 definitions is better.

Can't do that? Then be quiet.

>>519105824
>can't answer anything in my post
>won't take picture of his government computer

Embarrassing, but not surprising considering the state of the UK. Chee- oops, salamicum I mean.

>>519105908
And you expose yourself as the weak spirited individual that you are, money gimp slave.

>>519093025
Go fuck yourself kike

>>519105824
>Money Has No Value
lol
>Define money in 5 words or less, 2 definitions is better.
Currency for trade

>>519105595
I'm at my house maybe 4 hours a day, I'm a professional loiterer kek

>>519106273
as a matter of fact, I'm sitting on a metal box in front of Kaufland scaring NPCs with my presence while pirating Twins Peak Season 3 because I want to lose myself in Naomi Watts titties again, so yeah, fighting bears with my homies would be an improvement

>>519106150
Medium of exchange
Representation of time and effort

"Currency" is a form of money, your circular definition is unacceptable.

>>519106150
Now do you still lol when you realise money is created from nothing, and the group or men that create it make the whole world dance like puppets to their tune?

>>519106358
>your circular definition is unacceptable.
Wrong, currency can be anything, the point is everyone has access to it as opposed to needing to trade resources for things you want
>>519106411
>Now do you still lol when you realise money is created from nothing
How old are you dude?
I hope you don't work in any job that handles money, as you can't even get past the concept of it
Now if we're talking about what backs it, then you can start talking shit

>>519105698
Why is there no one on pol who actually has enough of a brain to be worth talking to? This fuckwit actually believes that Palantir has nothing to do with the government and that capitalists aren't parasitic.

>Parasites extract nutrients while doing nothing useful, they will even damage the host they steal from.
Capitalists aim to do this explicitly. A capitalist wouldn't even dispute this. He'd just tell you to fuck off while he keeps raping you.

I don't give a single fuck about your constitution and even that is far more than ANY branch of the US authorities.

You're too dumb to have an opinion. Just KYS.

>>519106522
>commies when the other guy copies their homework

>>519106514
>currency can be anything
Yes it can, this doesn't invalidate the Oxford English definition of money, dumb fuck.

Money is created from nothing, I'll admit being incorrect if you want to being up the point that numbers on a screen require transistors/modern electronics.

If money is made up out of thin air, what's the point of taxation?

>>519106639
>5 eyes agents when their cunt manager tells them to post here pronto

Hahahaha

>>519106522
Yes, I'm being raped by my one day delivery amazon. Oh my god, no my iPhone that has the entirety of human history and knowledge on it is raping me for the cost of $1,299. Oh my fucking god. What else is raping me? Oh no, my computer with it's 4090TI inside of it that allows me to leisurely enjoy video games is raping me. To make matters worse, my 99 cent apples have bombs in them, and the gatorade has led, oh god, I'm getting raped everywhere. The capitalist are even printing money out and causing $10,000 premiums on health care, fuck at this rate the capitalist might put in a regulation that makes it so you have to have a parking garage on your house that cost $50,000. They might even have regulations on open spacing and lot size and where I can build. These evil capitalist are so bad, they're even taking 30% of your income on average, and spending 2.3 trillion dollars on a bankrupt program and they even spend 6.8 trillion dollars a year on other things.

Oh wait, cross out that last part, that's the government that does that. But I suppose it's the big guys raping me.

>>519106649
You understand trade right?
>what's the point of taxation?
A completely different argument, I dunno, why not ask your brothers why they want to tax all the time if it does nothing

>>519102222
Antifa leaders are poor jews. I mean, were.

>>519106694
Communism is not authoritarian?
lol, have fun with that brother

>>519106649
>what's the point of taxation?
Its suppose to go towards everyone's benefit. But in practice its for one class to enrich itself by granting rights to itself that it deprives the free will of another. It creates inequality.

>>519106736
Brain damaged

>>519106743
>I dunno

You're losing your job soon, you're shit.

>>519093025

It's not about living in the forest for him. Late Stage Capitalism is a Marxist term. This means that he's interested in what comes next after capitalism, which Marx predicted would be a communist revolution.

>>519106829
>I dunno
Do you have blinders on?
Or are you purposefully this ignorant

>>519106829
>No rebuttals still

Come on man, I even gave you 10 minutes of time to give me one.

>>519106649
Oxford is a shithole filled with DEI hires, I'd think twice before presenting them as any kind of authority and expecting to be taken seriously.

>>519106736
>Lists technologies that owe nothing to capitalism
>considers healthcare premiums existing to not be a capitalist problem
>thinks housing costs less under capitalism without considering that every single bank in the west would immediately implode if capitalist bankers stopped pumping their balance sheets using bullshit mortgages .

I have an exercise for you anon. What if, capitalism (the present mode of organisation of the world, sometimes called neoliberal globalism) involved the cooperation of government, corporations, and banks?

>>519107102
>Lists technologies that literally are popular and have completely enhanced peoples life's by virtue of capitalism having access to the free market to proliferate in peoples minds

Uhhhhhhhhh, well the government could have done it! That's right, the super awesome government that can makes phones, and cars, and refrigerators!!! Wow the government is so cool. I had no idea. They make those things... right?

>Completely ignores how medicare and medicaid caused premiums and monthly payments to completely skyrocket because the government enforced them on citizens older than 65 and obese diabetics.

Yes, this was actually the governments fault, health insurance was extremely affordable before 2008.

>Banks make money off bullshit mortgages

WRONG. Banks portfolio size in mortgages is around 20%. Their main investments fluctuate from industry to industry for growth depending on the sector. Private companies don't either. Housing being dramatically less would just cause banks to reinvest, but boomers don't want that, as that would dramatically slash their prices. Seems a common theme is this thread is boomer worship.

>Capitalism is the present mode of organization
Not even close, economic freedom has never been more raped. Capitalism doesn't require any involvement of the government, in fact, government involvement in capitalism is not capitalism. Nor is their involvement in banks. If you let capitalism run truly wild, you don't know how good things could be. Stop thinking your government does anything for you and should do anything for you other than prevent crime and defend it's citizens from foreign threats.

>>519106930
Are you really as clever as you think you are?

Definitions are important before engaging in discussion/argument.

2 definitions were provided, 1 Dictionary, 1 Simple Truth.

>>519106886
>>519106921
Money Has No Inherent Value

The people that create the money funnel it to their instruments of power.

Simple as. Now dance, gimps.

>>519103894
>>519103991
>>519103029

Now, now, gentleman. Nationalism, Communism, Utopia, Dystopia... regardless of all this, there must be a proper revolution of sorts where the means of production, and the finances, and the resources are in the hands of good capable men. There is a problem though, soon there will be robots, trained on quantum supercomputers, with super intelligence. These robots will be able to perform any task a human can do, they will be able to unclog toilets, shoot a gun with pinpoint accuracy, operate machinery, hammer a nail. They will be stronger, faster, smarter, they'll even able to fly. The owners of these robots will use them as a replacement for you, and if you think they'll share the wealth and resources, you are gravely mistaken. I sincerely doubt they would even implement a type of universal basic income. You will be hunted by robots in your lifetime, and not on the orders of some fantasy skynet, but on the orders of your rulers.

>>519107437
You're almost there anon, almost, it's not money
Now look into the term "Fiat currency"

>>519107437
This is a non argument, it is mans mind that provides the value. It is merely convenient for the US that our moneys value is protected by aircraft carriers and missiles.

Currency is a creation of mans mind, and it is used as an information vessel in the modern day. Unfortunately, your brain is rotted, so I can't delve into the philosophy, but once again, you're a faggot.

>>519107559
>>519107622
Lmao I'm so glad you two are coming around, now think about all the stupid worthless things you have done in exchange for money, which has no value.

>>519107692
I think he's broken
You'll grow up eventually

>>519107744
See the problem with you dumb 5e agents is, you don't even believe what you're saying. Have a good one cunt.

>>519107489
You guys are such stupid niggers about how rich people work, jesus christ. What good is hoarding resources and money going to do for any rich person? You do realize that humans are far better of cycling money through the power of it's communication, than any amount of killing actually does? Absolutely messianic garbage.

>>519107692
Yes, I am coming around and accepting that the UK will absolutely become a muzzie shithole if idiots like you are the highest quality talent that can post on 4chan. You post no arguments with meat in them, there's nothing to bite into. I commend you for the ragebaiting though, albeit you could do something better with your time.

>>519107847
Schizo too, learn the difference between the purpose of currency and what backs them

>>519107902
I believe you need to learn what the purpose of currency is and what it actually does, instead of your conspiracy of bankers raping the world.

>>519107934
And another schizo joins the fray

>>519107994
If you remove the mirror from in front of me, we can have a productive conversation.

>>519107934
>currency
Babylonian money magic is a perfect alchemy.

>>519108059
How do you know that's a mirror
also we can't, auto-sage

>>519107902
The purpose of money, which you keep calling currency, is to make trade more efficient and eliminate the need for barter.

Currency is backed by the supreme authority: Violence, Physical Dominance over Matter.

Gimp.

>>519107874
Your anger was a result of cognitive dissonance.