Thread 519134756

>Catholics believe this guy is literally infallible
>somehow, this isn't complete heresy

Maybe the protties have a point...

>>519134756 (OP)
Chicago Bob getting the high dollar manicures now

>>519134756 (OP)
You don't need a stone building and a man in a collar to receive the blood of Christ.

>>519134756 (OP)
>>Catholics believe this guy is literally infallible

Well, he is, is because he is inspired by God himself.
Repent of your sins heathen.

>>519134756 (OP)
>Strawman
You could literally just youtube this
This is the equivalent of saying "Christians believe big man in sky"

>>519134958
>because he is inspired by God himself.
find a source for that claim that isn't the pope saying so (lmao)

>>519135214
You two are talking past each other, you are not talking about the same thing
Just youtube it and find some basic ass video, this has been covered extensively and you have done no research other than what rumor you heard from the hick next door

>>519134756 (OP)
Catholics believe this is not the pope and the Church has been totally taken over by Jews and freemasons.
The Church as an institution is still holy tho; Catholics must take it back.

>>519134958
>inspired by God himself
Is that why Roman Catholic dogma and canons change every 50 years?

>>519135372
Take it back... So they can protect the jews... Again

>>519135407
Why is Orthodox in constant civil war calling each other schismatics?

>>519135372
>Here's what Sedes believe
You people are so fucking annoying, instead of explaining the Catholic position you just say "YEAH FUCK ALL THAT BUT ACTUALLY THE PAPACY IS REAL AND YOU HAVE TO FIND FRINGE SCHIZO VIDEOS TO ARRIVE TO MY THEORY"

>>519134756 (OP)
>infallible
>Bears fan

>>519135407
Why do Orthos and Prots complain about "innovations" when their own churches keep splitting every 50 years? Today the Anglican communion officially split in half over their woman Archbishop of Canterbury. Those without sin, cast the first stone.

>>519134756 (OP)
>Catholics believe this guy is literally infallible
No we don’t, not a single pope has ever been all-infallible. If you read your Bible you’d notice the first pope, Peter, had denied Christ 3 times to His face while he was being tortured. Every pope is just a man.

We do believe in ‘Ex Cathedra’ however. Which means there are key moments where a pope may speak infallibly, which means they speak as though God speaks through them directly. Those moments are very rare, the last one occurred in 1950. 75 years ago.

So no we are not in heresy at all.

>>519134756 (OP)
The Pope is not infallible and he can say things that are retarded. That's what the church and Catholics believe. What you're being intentionally deceptive about is the concept of speaking "ex cathedra", which is something that Pope rarely does. The last time was in 1950 and it's believe that only seven or so "ex cathedra" declarations have been made throughout history. It's the only time a Pope is considered to be infallible.

>>519135214
The Pope is infallible.
The Bible and God himself says so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility
Which is why all protestant filth will go to Hell to entertain Satan.

>find a source for that claim that isn't the pope saying so (lmao)
You ask for a source that is not only the Pope saying, yet, protestants follow just any nigger that claims to be a minister and receive direct instructions for God. LOL, LMAO even

>>519134756 (OP)
Catholicism has been cooked for a long time, bro. Christianity itself is directly at odds with so much of the church, I have no idea how they reconcile idol worship, the clear parallels to pharisees, and the act of excluding people from communion being literally the opposite point of the sermon of Christ himself.

>>519134756 (OP)
>Maybe the protties have a point...
Their point was to replace that guy with the Almightly Shekel as their personal god. Nice dichotomy, kike.

>>519134756 (OP)
No, they believe he has Papal infallibility.

A common misunderstanding is that any statement from the Pope is infallible. This is incorrect. Papal infallibility only applies to highly specific, formal, and rare declarations.

>>519135315
>find some basic ass video
catholics just say 'ex cathedra'. Sounds mystical.

>it literally just means sitting in a chair

>>519135372
>be "The Church"
>taken over by Jews and freemasons
meanwhile, Orthodoxy is still alive and kicking. I thought your Church had divine protection?

>>519136300
Now you see why Sedevacantists aren't true Catholics: they have no faith that the Church prevails against the gates of Hell.

>>519136300
orthodoxy is dead too

>>519136734
Nobody in Russia is religious, you people disgust me. I'd spit on you and wring your neck if I ever saw you irl you faggot.

>>519134756 (OP)
Papal infallibility was decided by a council of men who were not themselves popes and thus fallible.

Papists can't square this circle.

>>519134756 (OP)
Catholics aren't even allowed to read the Bible at all. If a priest ever saw them reading one he would take it and stomp on it.

>>519135793
>Which means there are key moments where a pope may speak infallibly

aka
>pope: i am infallible, everything I say is truth
>catholics: but you said XYZ, which contradicts what you said before, and (some other pope) said something different...
>pope: o shit I meant only when I'm in the chair, sorry lol

>>519137000
Ecumenical Councils are infallible
Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, literally everyone knows this except for protties

>>519134756 (OP)
Only when he speaks ex cathedra which hasn’t happened in your lifetime.

>>519137035
>Prot lies
We have the internet now, you can't just lie to people without them verifying what you're saying anymore

That's not what catholics believe. You should stop taking your knoledge from memes

>>519135813
>if it only happens rarely, it's somehow less absurd

AKA
>gives the pope less chances to contradict himself, proving he is just a man capable of error

>>519135829
>The Pope is infallible.
That's what the Popes used to claim starting with Boniface VIII. Once people called out their shit they shifted to their "only in the chair, bro" meme

>>519134756 (OP)
won't be long now
https://www.youtube.com/live/ZjmGydpfPOw

>>519135917
>Christianity itself is directly at odds with so much of the church

Matthew 23:9
And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Catholics: Let's call every Bishop "Father" and call the Pope "Papa", kek!

>>519137120
Its not a lie, Catholics banned the Bible all through history and jailed anyone who read it. How do you explain how one Pope can say something infallibly and then then other can disagree infallibly? How can both be right?

>>519134756 (OP)
When will you learn that he's infallibile only when he speaks ex cathedra?

>>519136734
>orthodoxy is dead too
Nope. Russia is experiencing a resurgence in a return to the faith and is in-fact the only actually Christian great power left in the world.

Orthodoxy also survived an extermination-level event under the Soviets in one piece. Meanwhile the Catholics have failed to control their 200,000 offshoots for the last 600 years.

>>519137079
Been deboonked:
https://youtu.be/VeeIGSSEb3U?t=748

>>519137323
Because they understood that your Joseph Smiths and Charles Taze Russells would read it too and cause people to fall into heresy with false teachings.

>>519137481
AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA xDD

they are most definitely not experiencing anything of the sort. The only practitioning christians live in russian villages, hence lost of videos in russian internet, but the bulk of population is the same as in the west, possibly even worse due to communism

>>519137583
How can Catholics claim to be Christian when not a single one of them has ever been allowed to open a Bible? They just worship Mary.

>>519134756 (OP)
He is the son of perdition, the notorious "The Antichrist", but that concept is not in the Revelation, that is a Roman nonsense doctrine. He is the man of sin, the son of perdition, Vicarivs Filii Dei - V+I+C+I+V+I+L+I+I+D+I = 666). Roman Catholicism is the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth. I say this very openly, since this is scripture, and Protestants used to say that very openly until the subversion of Protestant churches began with Jesuit eschatology of Futurism, Preterism, with rapture doctrine and Zionist false prophecy and universalism and humanism and feminism and a whole lot of unclean demonic ideologies. Everything began to fall apart in the 1800s and drastically falling off the cliff in the 1900s. The result is a completly dizzy Christianity that is basically in a coma. You can litter Christians with Holy Scripture debunking their jewish ideologies, they just won't liste, it's as if they are not even conscious anymore, they don't care about the Bible, they care about Jewish/Roman antichrist politics and ideologies. Roman Catholics especially won't listen to anything, their god is Rome, they have a differnt gospel, a different spirit, the spirit of the "dragon" (Rome; Revelation 13:2).

>>519134756 (OP)
who the fuck is this guy?

>>519137693
>Flag
No one is going to take your opinion on Russia seriously anon.

>>519137693
You're seething and coping, mate.

>>519137755
Just out of curiosity, where do you think the 27 books of the New Testament came from?

>>519138209
They came from God and the reformers made it so anyone could read them.

>>519134756 (OP)
I mean yeah Roman Catholicism is just Diet Islam. Both are about how some pedo boomer has the exclusive ability to literally talk to God and add stuff to the Holy Bible, while laypeople aren't allowed to have their own opinions on anything. You'd have to be a complete idiot to believe in either of these religions at this point when everyone has a pocket computer with access to the Bible translated into every language on earth. As soon as Gutenberg invented the printing press and made the Bible accessible to everyone, people who could read started rejecting the RCC because they had added so much fanfic BS to consolidate power and monetize salvation.

>>519137755
>when not a single one of them has ever been allowed to open a Bible?
Are you retarded?
Catholic church school literally gives kids their own bible to read and study at home.
Scriptures of upcoming mass is handed out for people to read along.
There is no ban on Catholics reading the bible, and historically what you are referring to is that only church sanctioned officials are allowed to preach from the bible. In fact, only reason the masses weren't "allowed"(because they lacked the resources to, not because of a ban) to read the bible was because they used to be exclusively written in Latin and books were expensive to produce. There was no hard ban on reading them.

>>519137323
>Catholics banned the Bible all through history and jailed anyone who read it.
they will just deny this despite mountains of evidence that this happened. Entire century long wars were fought over it. Now they just say "it never happened bro, lol"

Just like they suddenly become silent when the question of indulgences comes up.

>>519134756 (OP)
>Catholics believe this guy is literally infallible
No they don't. Read before inflicting your opinions on the rest of the world.

>>519137755
>kneel down before Icon of Mary
>clasp hands in prayer before Mary
>praise Mary and ask her for things
>"Hail Mary"
>stand up
>turn around and look at the camera
>"it's just veneration, bro"
>"I am praying to her so she will pray for me, kek!"

Matthew 6:6
"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."

Of course, the Protty scum misinterpreted this one. "Father" in the Septuagint means "Mary", kek!

>>519134756 (OP)
Anon, they believe Mary is the queen of heaven based solely off of a greeting. They're literally demonic pagans.

>>519139195
Present any evidence of this.

>>519138622
He was a prophet, the Antichrist will be a false prophet and the two will be very similar.
It would be the ultimate irony.

>>519137755
During mass we read the bible

>>519138745
Nope. Catholics we're never allowed to read the Bible and the reformers made it so everyone could. They aren't even allowed to pray to God, they're supposed to ask Mary to pray for them. We just read the Bible like God intended and now we even have the dead sea scrolls so we can read all the other stuff that catholics didn't want us to read. They called us heretics but they are.
>>519139195
>>519139423
Yup. Its in the history books. Catholics chased down anyone who knew anything about the Bible or talked about Jesus. Its called the inquisition. I can't imagine how they all call themselves Christian today when they aren't even allowed to read the gospel in church. They just listen to the Pope and anything he says becomes a new doctrine.

>>519139423
>septuagint is le bad. Read the masoretic texts
.....

>>519134958
>inspired from God himself
do you even know what that means?

>>519139423
>t. doesn't know what prayer is

>>519139849
No you don't. Why are you lying? You're breaking a commandment by lying, but your people probably never even heard of the 10 commandments.

>>519138622
>Drank Children's Blood

but did he do it ex cathedra bro?

>>519139423
same thing with pearls before swine. If God gave you wisdom and you know it to be from God then it was for you, not everyone else. If they want it they can go pray in secret.

>>519137510
>Redeemed Coper
Embarrassing

>>519140358
This. We rely on the scriptures and personal interpretation. Catholics basically aren't even allowed to think for themselves, the priest has to decide what it means.

>>519140587
>We all just make shit up, 2000 years removed from the authors and martyrs of the Church
Yeah we know, it's retarded

>>519135372
So you think you know better than the priesthood and the head of the Roman church? You know better than the """Viccar of Christ""" himself?
If your criticism is rooted in Holy Scripture, then welcome to being a Protestant, dummy.

>>519140587
How's the weather down there, Satan?

>>519140759
If a Catholic hears something from a Protestant like how Jesus came back to life they would have to go ask a priest if that actually happened cause they aren't allowed to read that it did, and the priest would tell them not to listen to us and just to listen to the Pope.

>>519140942
You're just making things up on the fly.

>>519141013
No, that's what would happen. I met a Catholic one time and said why do you pray to Mary and he said he didn't, but they do. They have to make things up like that to pretend to be Christian, we just read the Bible.

>>519138513
Several books didn’t make the cut. Who decided which books were inspired and which were not inspired? Who gave them that authority?

>>519141245
I think you mean "pray with Mary", not "to Mary".

>>519140759
Isn't that what Roman Catholics did in the 1950's when they decided that the Virgin Mary never died and was "assumed" into heaven? At least Protestants base their beliefs on Scripture rather than pulling things out of thin air.

>>519141331
>literally trying to jew God just like an actual Jew would

>>519135407
Orthodox churches are always at the mercy of the state.

>>519137323
>Catholics banned the Bible all through history and jailed anyone who read it.
Huh? Catholics commissioned the Latin Vulgate

>>519141329
God gave reformers the authority to print the scriptures, that had never been done before cause catholics didn't allow it and hunted down anyone who read it or talked about Jesus.
>>519141331
Whatever, where does it say that in the bible?
>>519141472
No they banned the Bible and anyone who read it was considered a heretic, its called the inquisition. catholics were burning people as witches if they read the bible. Protestantism was when people couldn't take it anymore and made it so people could figure out what the Bible meant on their own again.

>>519141722
> No they banned the Bible and anyone who read it was considered a heretic

Heretical versions of the Bible that were promulgated by jews were banned. Literally no one got in trouble for reading the Bible, it’s just very few people actually spoke Latin. Protestants have an incredibly jewish understanding of history and why things happened, it’s actually quite surprising

>>519141722
>source: Pastor Jim

>>519141931
>only allow priests* trained in Latin to read the Bible
>kill everyone who attempts to make it readable to others
lol

bonus points for trying to paint protestants as jews to bolster your case. I can tell by your style of writing that even you don't believe the shit you're saying

>>519141245
Most Catholics, like most protestants, or any other religion, have no idea what they're talking about
>>519141387
>Isn't that what Roman Catholics did in the 1950's when they decided that
No, that's not how doctrine works, you can go youtube this but instead you just assert lies as truth, same as your false interpretations of scripture
You people are delusional

>>519134756 (OP)
Catholics are literally not Christian in 90% of cases

>>519134756 (OP)
>literally infallible
only when speaking from the chair of St Peter, which has only happened like twice in 2000 years, and the only reason he does it is to stop turbo autistic how many angels can dance on a pin head type shit

>>519137079
>Ecumenical council
>Only Catholics involved
I had a Ecumenical council last night, no else showed up but still declared you're a faggot. Word of God, you're a fag.

>>519142258
Protestants aren't Christians
>t. Any apostolic Christian

>>519134958
The Pope abandoned God
It's time for another separation within the church
The Vatican boomers have lost the plot, fuck those gay pro-globohomo faggots

>>519142309
You have no apostolic succession, you have no authority, nobody cares about your personal theological opinion

>>519141722
I’m talking about the New Testament. Books like the Gospel of Thomas and Shepherd of Hermas were rejected because they were deemed to be uninspired. The men who decided this were bishops with apostolic authority. There were no protestants involved because they didn’t exist.

>>519134756 (OP)
>based martin luther brings the bible to the masses
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THIS AAAAAAAAAAAAARGGGH
fuck catholics

>>519134756 (OP)
You are a retard
If all able in his interpretation of the gospel

>>519142194
you are the Catholic equivalent of a Jew who goes around his city establishing a perimeter with a fishline to protect the Sabbath.

>>519142492
>based martin luther brings the bible to the masses
That fat retard threw 7 books away and wanted to throw more of them away
"muh bible hero" meanwhile in reality he ripped books out and declared himself pope, and when you guys decided he wasn't, you all made yourselves your own popes

>>519142342
If thats is true then he is an antipope, no need for more schisms.

>>519142578
stay mad cuck it's your priest that raped you not me

>>519142606
Mike patton, cher, ruperto concha

>>519142300
>which has only happened like twice in 2000 years
The title of "Pope" has only existed for about 1500 years and they didn't invent Papal Infallibility until 1850.

Plenty of Fishhat niggers tried to claim they were infallible in the past but got BTFO by chads like Martin Luther so they switched their LARP to "chair only bro, ex cathedra"

>>519142539
>Stop protecting the faith and just let us make shit up and believe whatever we want
>What is heresy?
You would have walked up to the apostles and told them to go fuck themselves and that you know the real Christianity

>>519142023
>t. goes to a church where Pope Bob from Chicago is the leader

>>519142639
>Cannot handle reality
>Just copes and seethes and insults people
Sad

>>519134756 (OP)
Reminder that Protestants
>Have no church authority
>No church fathers
>No traditions
>Next to no sacraments
>No unanimous catechism or unified understanding of the scriptures
>Had removed 7 books from the Bible
>Was established off the back of a royal divorce, by a whoremonger (Henry the 8th)
>Was proliferated by Luther, the man who decreed “Go forth and sin boldly.”
>Same guy who it is said to have died by suicide, though this is debated.

Protestants will claim Sola Scriptura (scripture alone) is the best way to understand the faith. And yet when they are asked where they received their understanding of the scriptures, the cannot cite a single church authority or single church father or single catechism, nothing. They operate only on the terms of
>Gospel according to ME

Which is why 90% of protestants just practice prosperity gospel insanity, take snake bites and use snakes as a form of worship, and flood their “churches” with rock music while selling jesus for $59.99 so they can afford their fancy cars and suits.

And American Christianity? A masonic perversion. Everyone ITT should google “George Washington Inaugural Bible.” That’s the roots of American ‘Christianity’.

>>519142701
Successor of Peter, simple as

>>519142719
go pull out your little cuck bar and kneel boy

>>519142792
>GO SHOW REVRENCE TO GOD, FAG
You people are lost
None of you have any interest in truth or virtue, just seething, since you have nothing to do except indulge in vice until you cash in your ticket to heaven
Your religion is demonic

>>519141931
>Heretical versions of the Bible
That's what they did. They call anyone who reads the Bible a heretic.
>very few people actually spoke Latin
They didn't need to cause the reformers printed lots of Bibles in English for everyone and they could only do that when they got away from the church otherwise Bibles would have been printed for everyone from the start.
>>519142429
The protestants always existed cause we are the real Christians. The dead sea scrolls are good cause catholics were the ones who said they were bad, i haven't read them yet, but as a Christian you are supposed to read all the scriptures.

>>519140887
I also know better than doctors and the CDC which is why I'm unvaxxed. Troost the experts, protip Vatican 2 is just as jewish as the rest of experts telling you women can have feminine penises. For example V2 says Jews don't need Jesus for salvation, and converts have to believe everything as a condition of joining so I'm just not gonna do it, just like the vax.

>>519134756 (OP)
No, they're both wrong and stupid

>>519142391
The "apostolic succession"

Ah yes, that meme.
>1st Pope: St. Peter
>400 year gap
>dude named Siricius (whom no Catholic has ever heard of, 32 mentions on 4plebs LMFAO) claims he is the head of the church
>650 years of Roman Bishops getting ignored
>East-West schism
>the title of Pope is created
...
???
>unbroken chain lol

it's remarkable how fucking uneducated Catholics are about their own religion. I doubt they could name any of their "Popes" aside from the last 3.

>>519142756
>revealed religion
>traditional

>>519137318
What do you call your father?

>>519137323
>Catholics banned the Bible all through history

>>519142899
>low iq holier than thou catholic mongoloid
many such cases

>>519142986
You retards should consider helping us explain to protestants why their religion is retarded rather than starting a 3 person retard fight
We can work together to exterminate protestantism and the world will be better and closer to the truth, you people are as obsessed with seething at us as they are
Consider changing your approach to work with us since you hardly have any people to begin with

>>519142756
>understand the faith
???

Faith is believing, not understanding.

>>519142675
>You would have walked up to the apostles and told them to go fuck themselves and that you know the real Christianity
Please explain in rational terms how you came to this conclusion because I don't huff the farts of some Jesuitical faggot in golden robes.

>>519143034
Rome has always had successors, this is sad cope
You can make different arguments if you want but this one's awful

>>519134756 (OP)
Not true. It was removed years ago.

>>519143126
>Get called out for being a demonically possessed freak
>NOOOO YOU'RE ACTING GOOD BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY BAD
You people are schizophrenics, your intellect is impaired by sin and demons

>>519134756 (OP)
There is no evidence that god(s) exist. Yahweh is a false god.

>>519134958
He is a Jesuit marching lockstep with NWO faggots.
You repent. Sede Vacante.

>>519143212
Christianity is a chain
It was passed down by word of mouth before the New Testament was even written, by the authority of the Church that Christ created
The Church and Bible are Christianity
Your position is a new invention from 500 years ago and it's not Christianity
You might "like" it but nobody cares, all that matters is what's true

>>519134958
Pope is not mentioned in the Bible

>>519142899
>has no more arguments
>results to the classic fire and brimstone argument, getting high on perceived moral superiority
>calls protestants demonic when he literally worships pagan idols

lmfao. Take your L fag.

>>519143145
See what he said? He wants to exterminate Protestants just like they did in the salem witch trials and the crusades. That's not how a Christian would think.

The only catholic I know was funnily enough the only one of /ourguys/ who took the covid shot. Talk about being in this world but not of this world...then cucking to this world. Probably one of the closest things to the mark of the beast and he took it because muh jerbs.

>>519143145
>protestants why their religion
Protestants are faithless, they just read the bible, picking what suits them, they are basically atheists.

>>519142578
>threw 7 books away
Papists always say this garbage but never prove it. Where are the 7 books then? In some Vatican vault not to be shared?

>>519143419
Those are halos you retard.
>Inb4 papist

>>519135732
Coptic Church was historically the first to split and can be considered a more pure form of Christianity that never left the Middle East and therefore, never got tainted by European politics in Rome.

>>519142756
Roman Catholics are so retarded that they just point to any wackjob "church" made by a literal who and say it's Protestantism. All the actual Protestant churches that began during the Reformation were started by ordained ministers, i.e. they had the apostolic succession that is so important to Roman Catholics.
>>519142786
Saint Peter was far from infallible. Saint Paul publicly rebuked him in Galatians when he was causing division between the Jewish and Gentile Christians. Roman Catholics made an entire religion based on Matthew 16:18.

>>519143217
Alexandria has always had successors. Constantinople has always had successors.

The only difference is their Bishops weren't power-hungry cocksuckers who decided they were le supreme authority and infallible upon pain of death.

>>519143419
>has no more arguments
You've just been coping and seething with insults, there is no argument
>calls protestants demonic
Not every single one, just the ones that behave like you do
>worships pagan idols
You only believe this because you worship nothing and you don't even know what worship is
Praying and jamming out to "Christian" rock concerts is not worship

>>519143263
>impaired by sin
????

Christ forgives sin.

>>519143145
There's a reason why Prots like Orthochads more that cuckolics, and you are it.

>>519134756 (OP)
>At no point do Catholics think the pope is infallible
>Catholics do not worship the pope
>Implying the Pope is anything other than our best, human and therefore fallible guess at the holliest man among us is a lie
Proddys mad

>>519134756 (OP)
The Roman Church hasn't been a real church since the Romans took it as a state religion
If you think the "religion" part of being a "state religion" wasn't radically changed from baseline to serve Rome instead of God, you're fucking retarded

>>519143394
Amerimutts arent mentioned in the bible.

>>519143437
>Protestant lies in front of everyone when he can be shown wrong in the same exact thread
The protestant heresy needs to be eradicated, it has been a disaster for humanity
The people obviously should not be killed, we love all people

>>519134958
>>519135315
>catholics and orthodox cant fathom having a direct personal relationship with God
what gives?

>>519143145
Catholics can't even retain their own people within the church and only alienate more from Christ. This is why the Catholic church is so hardline on accepting migrants, because they need new bodies to fill the pews after they left their existing followers behind.

>>519143515
>Papists always say this garbage but never prove it.
Go look up the first Bible, dumb ass
The Vulgate
Then go look up the first 66 book canon and when it was invented

>>519134958
Whore of Babylon, harlot of revelation; you will perish on the day of judgement, shitskin.

>>519135372
About 3% of cathocucks believe that, snd hopefully they turn away from the harlot.

>>519143145
Orthodox are above Protestants and miles above Catholics. Orthodoxy is in fact the Church as it existed in it's original form since the dawn of Christianity.

Protestantism is a bunch of Catholic heresies after people realized how retarded it's doctrines were and splintered into 100000 different sects, all with varying flavors of Catholic retardation. Catholicism itself is loony toon-tier wacko shit that just obsesses over the Roman Pontiff and Mary's virginity. You only look good compared to Protestants because you maintain SOME traditions. Which is also meaningless when you are responsible for Protestantism's existence.

>>519143558
>Saint Peter was far from infallible.
Didn't read the rest of your post
Infallibility doesn't mean "He said it's gonna rain tomorrow so that means God will move the clouds and make rain"
This is the most basic elementary stuff that you can go youtube and find some guy explaining the position (You don't even have to go believe it when it hits your ears but then you'll know what you're even arguing against)

>>519141329
why did the catholic church not include the book of Enoch that was referenced by both Peter and James?

>>519143588
Yes he does
Sin also impairs your intellect
Both are true

>>519143598
Christians belive that POCs and mutts have a soul.

>>519142701
Im not a catholic

>>519143145
We should exterminate brown people and brown religions from America, America is a Protestant country, and the catholic church has been facilitating the brown invasion while felaciating civic secularism. Your pope has more in common with drag queens than St. Peter

>>519143695
You hate everyone. That's why you did the crusades and the inquisition against protestant reformers.
>>519143866
This. Why can't we read all the books and make up our own minds?

>>519143515
>Papists always say this garbage but never prove it. Where are the 7 books then? In some Vatican vault not to be shared?

Read a Bible that isn't protestant. The books are Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, Wisdom (or the Wisdom of Solomon), Sirach (or Ecclesiasticus), and Baruch

Open your Protestant bible, try to find them. Notice they are not there, very curious. Now apply protestantism to the dilemma, sola scriptura: Read scriptures.

>"You shall not add to the word that I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God that I command you"

That's Deuteronomy 4:2. And 12:32
>"Everything that I command you, you shall be careful to do. You shall not add to it or take from it".

WOOPS protestants just took out seven whole books worth of the word.

>>519143598
"OrthoChads" hate you more than we do
You only "like" them because you both hate us
You guys are "OrthoChads" are identical to the relationship between "evangelical" retards and the state of Israel, in terms of one of them thinking they're friends and the other hating that they exist

>>519143697
>personal
Thats called atheism.

>>519135732
Lmao you believed that bullshit psyop thread without reading the article you brainlet retard lmao. That was about niggers in fucking rwanda splitting from the anglican communion, you absolute fucking mong.

>>519143437
>He wants to exterminate Protestants just like they did in the salem witch trials and the crusades. That's not how a Christian would think.
Guaranteed he's
>LITERALLY SHAKING
because he can't reconcile his bullshit belief system with how much this thread has booty blasted him, and it will lead to real-life ramifications. The fire and brimstone argument and lashing out calling others "demonic schizos" is just a last-ditch attempt to protect his ego.

>>519142904
>The protestants always existed cause we are the real Christians
Kek

>>519143377
why do you cut the Holy Spirit out of Christianity. Jesus ascended into heaven so we can be given the Holy Spirit as the ultimate authority, who is part of God.

>>519143831
Worth noting Protestantism wouldn't even exist if the Catholic church didn't lead it's followers astray in the first place. Catholic heresies and incompetence is the direct causation.

>>519143697
>Strawman
Boring
>>519143741
>Catholics can't even retain their own people within the church and only alienate more from Christ.
We've been in a total state of crisis for the last 60+ years, we're still trying to recover but we started getting a bunch of protestant converts ever since the pandemic happened and people started questioning everything in their lives to see if it's true

>>519143935
The protestants were the ones who LOVED the idea of filling their colonies with africans that they wrote books about it

>>519143831
>Orthodox are above Protestants and miles above Catholics.
Christians believe that POCs and mutts have a soul.

>>519143831
>Internet Orthobros hate Catholics more than prots
You give real Eastern Orthodox in Eastern Europe such an awful look, I feel bad for the old grandmothers etc

>>519143901
>impaired intellect
>mortal sin
???

>>519144107
Cool. You are losing people like me after I see the false church for what it truly is. Just a club of Jesuit freemasons marching in lockstep with the NWO.
Go to your parishes and see your priest wearing this symbol during Confirmation and see your priest wearing this symbol on their robes. They say it stands for "Ave Maria", aren't they clever?
You need to start asking more questions anon.

>>519143991
>You hate everyone
False
>That's why you did the crusades and the inquisition against protestant reformers.
Crusades saved Europe from Muslims
Inquisition is a nothingburger and any force was used by government authority, you would know this if you did basic research on any of the stuff you're talking about today

>>519143991
>faith, believing
>making up our own mind

You talk like an atheist.
Faith is not a little intellectual game.

>>519144081
You're calling the Holy Spirit a schizo considering the 6 gorrillion protestant religions that disagree with each other about things as basic as baptism

>>519144112
every living being has a soul.
that's just basic platonic philosophy, lol.
not every soul has the some worth tho, that's another thing.

>>519142578
>>519143994
why do catholics act like the few extra book of the OT are absolute spirit bombs?
they werent even referenced by the apostles, yet the Book of Enoch which was referenced by Peter and James didnt make the cut.

>>519143145
Why is it retarded to pursue the truth?

>>519144293
>Your signs actually mean what I believe
This nigger is now doing sola scriptura on our symbols
"This is what I want it to mean so now it's real"
Your logic is the mother of transgenderism
"This is my truth so now it's real"

>>519143831
> the church existed as part of the roman empire

Gigacope. The fact you think Jesus trusted the roman state to continue his spiritual tradition is the looney tune belief.

The protestants had a point, but unfortunately it was led astray

>>519144182
"Orthobros" aren't even orthodox. They're almost always ex-catholics who fell I to the SSPX pipeline and into sedevacantism. And you always find out their motivation behind their conversion to Orthodoxy is usually an appeal to socio-political traditionalism, they cling to worldly matters and are angry the Vatican weren't 'based' enough.

Also their understanding of the trinity is laughable, they insist against filioque and can't comprehend that the spirit proceeds from both father & son by merit of the fact both are part of the same triune. They insist the spirit can only proceed from God the Father

>>519143598
Protestants have a problem in that they lack a solid bedrock foundation for their beliefs and are very prone to subjective interpretation of scriptures, arguing over minutiae (similar to Catholic obsession with Mary's virginity), and as a result, suffer gravely from infighting.

Their hearts are in the right place, however. They are genuinely attempting to seek Christ and establish a relationship with Him.

Catholics on the other hand, cling to tradition and are more concerned with the societal effects than the actual spiritual components. They seethe and preach damnation to the Protestant "heretics" when they in fact are heretics. Papists who fell for Rome's grift, when in fact the true Church is Orthodoxy, which ACTUALLY possesses the so-called "Apostolic succession" that Catholics obsess over.

And among them I see the only group of Christians that is consistently willing to stand up to Globohomo, to martyr themselves, and lay down their lives for God, as they did throughout the entire Soviet occupation.

I would like to know where Christ said Peter's position as the rock of The Church can be passed onto other men.

>>519144385
>Why do Catholics think obliterating our canon matters when our entire foundation is Sola Scriptura
Because your authority comes from a false canon and when you realize that, you can't be protestant anymore

>>519144006
>"OrthoChads" hate you more than we do
Rubbish. It's always cuckolics shitting on Prots and trying to drive a wedge and stir up arguments, Orthodox are chill.

>>519143145
>We can work together to exterminate protestantism
the true jesuit terrorists shows his face finally.
youre an enemy of God making man your god.

>>519144474
>our
It was at my confirmation to "your" church, faggot.
Are you blind or do you have motivation to obfuscate this? Are you a jesuit? If so, I am sorry I am exposing your dirty laundry to the whole world and exposing you for what you truly are, I really am.

>>519144355
Christians believe that POCs and mutts have a soul.

>>519144536
"Fell for romes grift".

Didnt you fall for eastern romes grift as an orthodox Christian?

>>519143515
The deuterocanonical books. They're legit and were removed by (((judeo-christian))) protestants doing syncretism with Talmudic jews, aka synagogue of Satan. There were other Hebrews that had the deuterocanonical books as canon who were the very first converts to Christianity which is why the Talmudic Jews didn't include it.

>>519144597
>It's always cuckolics shitting on Prots and trying to drive a wedge

Read the OP thread title. Recognise where we are right now.

>>519144597
>It's always cuckolics shitting on Prots and trying to drive a wedge and stir up arguments
Because we have numbers and so most of the arguments you will have about this will be between us
>Orthodox are chill.
The real life ones yes but the "internet orthobros" are some of the most disgusting people on the internet, maybe worse than the bad protestant guys online, I've heard protestants complain about them, that's how you know it's bad

>>519143217
>Rome has always had successors
Yes and they were chosen by the Roman emperors for 500 years. Constantine made Christianity the state religion so he could deal with one high priest instead of one for every pagan meme god. This is how the Roman church got the Marian cult. They just copypasted the Virgin Mary over pagan goddesses like Vesta, Isis, Juno, Minerva, etc. and started praying to her since it was easy for all the Roman citizens to understand. The whole "queen of heaven" divine feminine thing is 100% pagan.
>>519143515
Those seven books were added to the Catholic Bible at the Council of Trent after the Reformation already happened. Prior to that, their authenticity was considered dubious. Romanists like to say that Protestants "removed" those books from the Bible, even though they were never considered official canon until 1546.

>>519144536
>Protestants have a problem in that they lack a solid bedrock foundation for their beliefs and are very prone to subjective interpretation of scriptures
Jesus is the Rock of our foundation and the Holy Spirit the interpreter of scripture to us since he is the author of it.
do catholics or orthodox christians ever mention the Holy Spirit as their leader in their faith?

>>519144072
Yeah, he doesn't know that people have figured out all his secrets like how a christmas tree is pagan and easter. He is scared cause we can figure out that the symbols aren't even Christian and he knows it. The pagans built all the cathedrals and they stole them, a real Christian wouldn't steal.
>>519144295
>Crusades saved Europe from Muslims
The crusades were against cathars who were protestants who wanted everyone to read the bible.
>Inquisition is a nothingburger
It's not a nothingburger. Catholics went into every country and tried to hunt down any Christian who didn't want to worship the Pope and Mary.
>>519144338
Faith is about interpreting the scriptures in a way that makes sense to you, but you wouldn't know that since you aren't even allowed to read them.

>>519144597
Protestantism wound up with the glorious revolution and the bank of england. Its an even worse form of imperialism than the roman church imposed on europe

Do you see now, Catholics? Do you see what your doctrines have led you? You didn't want to believe that the starting of Marian dogmas would lead to goddess worship, you didn't want to believe in the symbolic cannibalism of the eucharist, you didn't want to believe in the bending over with Vatican 2, and now this. How much more can you swallow shit, before you wake up and realize that the church has long been corrupted?

>>519144606
>the true jesuit terrorists shows his face finally.
You're acting like this is some secret we cooked up in a spooky basement somewhere
All apostolic Christians want your heresy eradicated because it's demonic and is helping the jews take over the world

>>519144536
>revealed religion
>solid bedrock foundation
lol

>>519144691
>bu-but here's 1 thread prots made against caths so ignore the overwhelming amount of threads where it's the opposite
It's like how our African friends fail to understand per capita. How would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast this morning btw?

>>519144633
>Completely misinterpreted my post
>Wants me to trust his interpretation of scripture
Unbelievable

>>519135732
*lobs a comically large boulder at you*

>>519134756 (OP)
Yeah and Buddhists think the Dali lama is an avatar, but here we all are.

>>519144107
>>519144007
being given the Holy Spirit by God is prime reason for Jesus Christ to die on the cross for us. unless he ascends into heaven the Holy Spirit couldve not been given to us.

>>519144737
>Faith is about interpreting the scriptures in a way that makes sense to you,

You see? Protestantism in a nutshell: "GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ME."

>The bible should conform to my sensibilities, it should be about how the great mighty ME understands them.

I won't doubt your own personal faith to God, but Protestantism is a cancer. If you ever wondered why you have insane denominations like MormonismJehivas Witnesses, Moonies, etc, understand it was thanks to that blight protestant mindset of subjectivity of the scriptures.

>>519144673
>Eastern Rome
Not all Orthodox Christians are part of the Patriarchate of Constantinople

>>519144737
>the bible.
Justify your false 66 book canon right now
>Catholics went into every country
This was a government matter and it was based, also the people had more lenient trails than anyone else during that time period, you should go research it

>>519134756 (OP)

He has the ability to speak infallibly. Not everything he says is infallible. Look it up, retard.

>>519144351
I would be careful what you claim about the Holy Spirit if I were you.
you know which blasphemy cant be forgiven, right?

>>519144728
>do orthodox christians ever mention the Holy Spirit as their leader in their faith?
Are you fucking retarded?

>>519144737
>a real Christian wouldn't steal
????

Stealing isnt a mortal sin.
Christ forgives stealing.

>>519144907
The Lutheran that thinks baptism does something and the strip mall pastor that says it doesn't do anything both claim they're guided by the Holy Spirit
Either your claim is that the Holy Spirit is schizophrenic or that some of you are wrong

>>519145030
What are you even trying to say? You think the 10 commandments went out the window?

>>519144563
what do you think about remembering the Sabbath and keeping it holy?

>>519144945
The Catholics literally funded every converted German and norse warlord to go attack fellow Christians to force papal authority over them

>>519144737
>Faith is about interpreting the scriptures in a way that makes sense to you
Atheist moment.

>>519145015
>You insinuate the Holy Spirit is schizo
>Hey bro you should be careful to claim things about God
You guys cannot even comprehend 4chan posts but think you understand our sacred scripture

>>519144849
Never even mentioned scripture. Is reading comprehension not your strong suit, jesuit?
We see you for who you are, whore of babylon.

>>519144780
are we to ignore that Jesuits took over the vatican and are open satanists in cahoots with the zionists?

>>519145015
>you know which blasphemy cant be forgiven, right?

Protestants should really understand the unforgivable sin more. It's called "Defiant irreverence". You are allowed to contemplate the mysteries of the Holy Spirit within respectful and sincere intentions. Even if you wind up getting it wrong, it is not defiant irreverence. Defiant irreverence is rejecting the spirit entirely through your entire life while knowing full well what the spirit is. It's the re-enacting of Lucifer's decision to rebel, hence why it's unforgivable.

>>519145097
Don't work on Sundays and go to mass, simple as
(If you need to work for whatever reason then sure but you should find ways to avoid it if you can)

>>519145025
it was a rhetoric question.

>>519144907
>more atheistic intellectual gibberish
You don't have faith.

>>519145174
>Cahoots with the Zionist
Look at American Christendom, look at the US Christian government, notice it's rooted in masonry historically, and notice who their greatest ally is. Notice American Christianity is largely non-catholic

>>519145136
>Arguing for protestantism
>I WASN'T EVEN TALKING ABOUT SCRIPTURE
Your position is sola scriptura, you are mentioning it just by engaging in this argument

>>519144295
The Mongols were the ones who saved Europe from Muslims. The Crusades were actually total failures with far less kill counts than the Mongols. Meanwhile, every Muslim blames Mongols for destroying their golden age.

Catholics, Protestants, you're both the same to me. The denominations have led you astray, brothers. They came in with "good intentions" only to slide you from the ultimate truth of Christ. They were whores from the beginning and will die like whores.

>>519145174
We've had people trying to infiltrate for 2000 years, and yes we've got some infiltrators in right now, just like everyone else
The ship is chaotic but we're still afloat

>>519144737
>Faith is about interpreting the scriptures in a way that makes sense to you, but you wouldn't know that since you aren't even allowed to read them.
Im wondering if youre trolling as a dumb prot or you actually believe this.

>>519145309
Again, knock off the larp that the Catholic church is without it's own brand of masons within it's ranks.

>>519145329
You seem to have me confused with another anon, idiot.
I am calling jesuits out for being masons themselves, the Catholic church beautiful as it once was is heavily infiltrated by snakes.

>>519145082
Stealing isnt a mortal sin.
Christ forgives stealing.

>>519145033
man is fallible, the Holy Spirit is not.
>8 The wind[e] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
the Holy Spirit is sovereign like God, he does as he pleases, not as you, me, pastor bob or your priest pleases. and he certainly doesnt have to explain himself to you.

MUSLIMS HAVE REINVADED THE VATICAN.

THE POPE HAS ALLOWED A MUSLIM PRAYER ROOM INSIDE THE VATICAN.

ITS OVER. THE BLACK FLAG WILL FLY OVER IT SOON ENOUGH, THE DOOR HAS BEEN CRACKED OPEN AND THE HORDE IS NOW COMING.

>>519145439
Are you an Ortho dude? Maybe I did mistake you for someone else, I'm in conversation with like 5 different people right now or something

>>519134756 (OP)
He is about to become the greatest human Pope ever. One world religion. One world under god, indivisible.

>>519145292
its literally in the bible. open it sometime.

>>519145136
>reading comprehension
Not being able to read isnt a sin.
Most christians were unable to read.

>>519145495
>We all have the Holy Spirit to guide us but we all get doctrine wrong anyway
Sure thing, dude

>>519144699
>the "internet orthobros" are some of the most disgusting people on the internet
source: a guy on 4chan disagreed with me and it hurt my feelings :(

>>519145030
The Cathedrals were made by pagans before the mudflood, then the catholics stole them and made up their religion to ban the Bible and hide Christianity. We know that now.

>Another D&C thread. Made by people who truly hate Christ.
You all fall for it every time.

>>519145596
>Strawman
Boring

>>519145463
This is your brain on not understanding Christ. I don't even fault you, I probably would have the same take if I had a cursory knowledge of the religion myself. Frame it like this: A man murders somebody, and that was enough to have him repent to Christ. Now, either he's just flapping his lips out of some vane absolution when he does, or actually being saved. Being saved isn't thinking you were forgiven, but softening of the heart that can't be brought or framed in human terms.

>>519145121
nobody can understand scripture unless God explains it to them.

>>519144872
based

Anyone else get the feeling that the orthobros and tradcaths are just this generation's fedora neckbeard guys?
As soon as it is no longer esoteric and "based" all of these guys are going to move onto the next thing.

>>519145439
>Again, knock off the larp that the Catholic church is without it's own brand of masons within it's ranks.

I don't deny it. The Jesuit order was appointed with the task of countering masonry, they're like the spiritual intelligence bureau somewhat. As a Catholic I am highly skeptical of the Jesuit order myself. But to compare them to Masons is backwards considering the Masons are their enemy, even today. Funny story
>Knew a priest once, a Jesuit
>He went to a local pub to meet with another priest
>He gets talking to a group of men at another table who take interest in his collar, identifying him as a priest l
>They ask which type of priest, he says "Jesuit"

He had to leave, the group were local Masons having a pub night, the pub was owned by a mason. They had gotten rowdy and hostile and threatened him and he had to GTFO lol

>>519145682
Alright well you have 6 gorrillion protestant religions so I guess barely any of you got God to explain it

>>519145610
>Cathedrals were made by pagans, then the catholics stole them
See
>>519143098

>>519145512
I am a former Catholic disillusioned with the Church and disgusted by Jesuits marching in lockstep with the NWO and their freemason colleagues.
I sin and currently do not fulfill sunday obligations and go nowhere. But I believe the Sedes now. The church has lost it's authority after Vatican II

>>519145533
>not reading is a mortal sin
????

>>519145751
>Sede
You'll probably move onto the next thing soon, that position is not sustainable
It's basically accepting that God is abandoning you to hell without the sacraments

>>519145202
the pharisees were accusing Jesus doing his works by the power of Beelzebub. Jesus rebuked them and told them to not blaspheme the Holy Spirit, ascribing good works by the Holy Spirit to satan.

>>519144737
Cathars were egalitarian fags with gnostic tendencies who elevated women as leaders and believed people could be perfect, the "perfect" people were almost all women and then the rest lived in polyandrous communes. There were a threat that was nipped in the bud. Modern Catholics fall over themselves apologizing for the whole "let God sort em out" thing but they should be proud of their forebears for being based. Another reason you know Catholicism is being worn like a skinsuit by civic secularists.

>>519145751
We all sin. The best we can do is sin as little as possible with help from The Holy Spirit.

>>519145832
Nobody needs the false sacraments that the Catholic church pushes

>>519145678
Stealing isnt a mortal sin.
Christ forgives stealing.

>>519145751
Join us brother

>>519145916
Missed the point completely. If I steal from a Walmart and wipe my ass and say 10 hail marys, and then go on to steal some more, where would that fit in? Tell me.

>>519145751
>I sin and
And Christ forgives.
Whats your point?

>>519134756 (OP)
This is the same level of bullshit that Jesus was mad about. The Pharisees twisted Gods word and they had their own customs just like Catholics are doing. Catholics = Pharisees.

>>519145899
>God just does stuff for no reason
This is such a stupid way to think about God

>>519145309
Scofield bible interpretation who had connections with masons and jesuits.
the corruption started from the catholic authorities.

>>519145396
the roman church is a submarine at this point. full of heretic teachings, idolatry and man worship. your holy father is a corrupt pope as your sole authority since the beginning.

Catholics or Orthodox?
Who sucks the better dick, who swallows, and who loves it more?

christians never want to be jews cause that would be kink shaming them.
they want to be cattle to a dead jew and jerk off to his martyrdom.
they cream themselves to a dead jew on a cross.

>>519146093
>The Church is Catholic and not protestant
Yeah, your religion is false

>>519145666
>realized he was winning no arguments by seething for 40 posts and tries to switch course to 'smug pepes'.

When you go to pray to Mary tonight, you'll have my words gnawing at the back of your mind. And there is nothing you can do about it.

>>519145894
>sin as little as possible, because Christ forgives only a little number of sins
????

Christ forgives, even many many sins.

>>519146004
My guy, you don't understand the power that sin has. It's an actual tangible thing, not some empty guideline. If you were a chronic masturbator, you would see what I was talking about.
>>519146046
Alright, let's reason this out. In Catholic tradition, where did God intend the sacraments to be a necessity?

>>519145236
sunday is the first day, the sabbath is the last day, the seventh day of the week.
you dont follow the commandments of God.

>>519146157
>my words
I'm talking to like 6 of you right now and I do this all the time, I don't think about you at all, no apostolic Christian thinks about protestants unless we see you retards saying lies about us on the internet

>>519145993
>stealing from a Walmart and wipe my ass and say 10 hail marys, and then go on to steal some more
Not a mortal sin.
Christ forgives.

>>519134958
All self proved “Catholics” have not been Catholic for literally a thousand years, this whole papal supremacy dicksucking ritual/ideology didn’t exist for several centuries after Christ and was introduced by the (((Western Churches))).

>>519145722
They're already peeved because the Pope is a guy named Bob from Chicago.

Doesn't sound mystical enough for them. They can imagine someone named Giuseppe having some deep knowledge they can't comprehend, but not Bob.

>>519146192
>Jehovas Witness/ 7th day adventist from germany
I thought you guys were supposed to be smart or something

>>519146093
>corruption
Not a mortal sin.
Christ forgives corruption.

>>519134756 (OP)
>>Catholics believe this guy is literally infallible
Nobody believes that anymore. Most catholics hated Francis for being too woke.

>>519145582
faith is not about doctrine, its about freedom of doctrine in that you follow the Holy Spirits guidance in your faith life.
legalism, traditions or doctrines should have no place in your life whatsoever. its faith alone that saves and the works of the Holy Spirit in you and through you.

>>519145726
I believe they countered them at one point in time, but as some point they joined forces.
They wear the same symbols and I ran into honest and open freemasons at my local parish who were very chummy with my Jesuit priest when I was confirmed. The priest also wore symbols like >>519144293 which I later researched and found out the similarities to freemasonry.
This is why I left.
I get this is all anecdotal and you can believe me or don't. But I swear I am telling the truth.

>>519145832
Do not misunderstand me. I hold the Church in high regard, but I feel lost at sea and disillusioned with it. But I am more open to listening to the Sedes and their criticisms of the church.
This is why I got a little heated when you accused me of being protestant and believe in sola scriptura, I may be disillusioned with the Catholic church, but I am still not a prot. I was raised Catholic, family is Catholic as far back as I can dig, it is a very awkward position for me.

>>519145981
I have thought about it. The Orthodox church is the only one I hold as much respect for as I used to for the Catholic church.

>>519146187
>power that sin has
?????

Christ forgives.

>>519146270
See:
>>519146187

>But each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death
Sin is very real and not something to just keep indulging over and over again. It's something that corrupts a person into something abominable.

>>519146350
>faith is not about doctrine
>It's about believing what I believe or close enough to it
Sure thing, dude

You know, even Jesus said not to blindly follow him, but to read scripture and think for yourself

How his church went from that to worshipping statues is an easy mystery to solve

>>519146187
>tradition
>revealed religion
pick one

>>519146350
Yeah, we're allowed to make up our own doctrine and our own ideas and our own churches. That's what the reformers wanted.

>>519134756 (OP)
Protties believe they are the real hebrews.

>>519145733
weird that they all agree on one thing.
that faith alone saves and is the grace of God, not by works so no one can boast.
the rest is just details.
yet the roman church teaches that only works save you, that you can work yourself into heaven and salvation which is not scriptural.

>>519146321
>woke
Not a mortal sin.
Christ forgives.

>>519145823
you read the Word of God to confirm your election and that your faith is genuine.

>>519146350
Atheist moment.

>>519134958
He told us to get vaxxed.
That we were sinning if we did not.

>>519146498
Go look in your Bible for the only time "faith alone" is said

>>519146381
I know you're not familiar with The Bible's teachings, but you should be. Every man for himself and doing whatever the fuck they wanted is what has led us to the world today. If you asked me personally about sin, I would tell you it's absolutely real and something that dampens our connection to God. I was a heavy sinner, until I woke the fuck up.

And maybe the jew on the stick wasn't the son of God either...

>>519146399
Stealing isnt a mortal sin.
Christ forgives stealing.

>>519146148
you simply dont get it. its faith that saves. not religion.

>>519146320
the blood of Jesus should cleanses any corruption. the bride of Christ is without blemish and wrinkle.

>>519146498
I met a Catholic and told him this and he said he believes in faith alone through the grace of God and i told him he was wrong and that's not what he believes. He must have heard it from a protestant somehow so maybe we're getting through to some of them.

>>519146404
>Jesus said you have to read
Where ?

Not reading isnt a mortal sin.

>>519146627
This Frenchie

>>519146379
We're the only ones who also have apostolic succession only we don't bless faggots or icebergs

>>519146718
>”Search the scriptures”

Is a direct quote from Jesus you dumb nigger

He said this
Multiple
Times

>>519146307
neither of them.
I simply follow sola scriptura. the reformers failed at this point and kept sunday.
Jesus told us to love God and follow his commandments. that includes keeping the sabbath.

>>519146698
>you simply dont get it. its faith that saves. not religion.
I know exactly what you're saying and you're wrong
Your religion is very easy to understand and that's why people that don't know anything go join it to go sin and live however they want
Now if you want the truth, go open your Bible and ask Google where the phrase "faith alone" is in the Bible
It appears 1 time, go read it

>>519146801
>neither of them.
>I simply follow sola scriptura.
Awesome, the newest protestant religion just got invented

>>519146320
Christ forgives all sin if you repent, no one is beyond redemption if they repent. If you don’t repent of all sin then your sin can't be forgiven since you didn't ask forgiveness for it. A drop of shit still ruins the wine, a small sin still blocks salvation if you don't submit to Christ. No submitting to a faggot in a robe isn't the same as submitting to Christ. We had priests before, they became obsolete, we have direct access to God through Christ who ripped the curtain of the holy of holies, this is why you to not call anyone father.

>>519146624
how is that atheism working out for you Sweden?

>>519146403
I back my faith up with the scripture of God. you follow roman traditions instead. your beliefs are made up.

>>519146461
I think the main gripe of the reformer were the heretical teachings of the roman church.

>>519146862
>Just be protestant
Protestantism is false
>The Father argument
You've never read the New Testament

>>519146545
>you read
Not reading isnt a mortal sin.
Most christians were unable to read.

>>519146934
We have the correct canon and interpretation and you don't, simple as
You're wrong, you just made shit up and believe it's true

>>519146461
>we're allowed to make up our own doctrine and our own ideas and our own churches
also I just said doctrine should not dictate your life and there is only one true Church of Christ that is not seen by human eyes or build by human hands.

>>519146545
>faith is just some intellectual thing you can confirm by reading
Atheist moment.

>>519143098
Lmao. The original texts in the HRE were untranslated, still written in Greek, even if it were legal to read you would still need to know Greek, which 99% didn’t.

>>519146958
Apparently you can't read, because you're still giving these two line space slop answers. Get your head out of your ass, man.

>>519146379
> They wear the same symbols and I ran into honest and open freemasons at my local parish who were very chummy with my Jesuit priest when I was confirmed. The priest also wore symbols like.

>I get this is all anecdotal and you can believe me or don't. But I swear I am telling the truth.

I’m a Catholic and I believe you. I believe because it’s not exactly rare for masons to infiltrate the Church, it happens more often than most people care to realise. This is because Masonry is built in fraternity, especially familial fraternity. A child of a mason is most likely to become one as well, or even a friend or colleague to a mason, they network and practice social nepotism as a rule. Chances are the priest you saw was a mason long before he became a priest, and he infiltrated. What you’re supposed to do is contact your archbishop and report it. Though understandably, if the local mason priest was able to fool the bishop, the bishop will either be incompetent or crooked as well. Best to take it to a cardinal, write to Rome and get the priest removed. Do it anonymously with evidence attached if you are worried, fren.

Masons are not to receive communion let alone become a priest, it’s church law.

>>519146590
how much works did the thief on the cross have to do to enter paradise according to Jesus?

>>519146620
>The Bible says that reading is mandatory.
??????

Not reading isnt even a sin.

>>519146709
why are you an outspoken enemy of God?
Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all had faith and that was enough for God.

>>519146620
>I was a heavy sinner
Christ forgives heavy sinners.
What's your point?

>>519147111
See:
>>519147061

Read The Bible, anon. If nothing else to stop being a useless jackass like you're being right now. It's the last answer I can give you.

>>519145531
>One world religion. One world under Allah, indivisible.
FTFY

>>519147087
The Bible is not an autobiography on his life, this is the most shit argument possible

>>519146698
Corruption isnt a mortal sin.
Christ forgives corruption.

>>519146803
lol, both in the OT and NT only people that had faith were recommended.
works follow after faith and dont precede it.

>>519146941
Reading the new testament is why people stopped following your shit in the first place. You can't even even articulate a refutation because you're just an alterboy who will suck cock if the fag in robe tells you to. Meanwhile I can still advocate the death penalty for pedo fags, unlike you.

>>519134878
He's been shilling immigration non-stop this past month. The Vatican has been completely taken over by kikes since at least the 60s.

>>519146934
Yeah, the catholic church was teaching that there had to be one church and the reformers wanted everyone to decide what the faith meant to them and that;s why we have so many protestant churches today cause everyone is different.
>>519147024
>doctrine should not dictate your life
Right, don't let any doctrine matter too much. That's why we don't need any at all really and we can make up our own minds about stuff.
>there is only one true Church of Christ that is not seen by human eyes or build by human hands.
Right, and that's all the churches together pretty much, except the catholic church.

>>519146848
again, you cant even imagine having a direct relationship with God. how come? dont you want that? isnt that the entire point of faith in God?

>>519147265
>works follow after faith and dont precede it.
You kill your faith with mortal sin
Faith is not "I have deduced this conclusion in my mind that protestantism is true"
You don't even have the correct interpretation of what faith is

>>519146779
>Not reading is a sin.
???

>>519147315
>Reading the new testament is why people stopped following your shit in the first place.
Reading it incorrectly and making shit up is what made the 6 gorrillion protestant religions

>>519146999
you follow the doctrines of demons, I follow the Holy Spirit. make of that what you will.

>>519147371
>you cant even imagine having a direct relationship with God
Strawman
>Appeals to emotion
If you give up the argument then just say so, you can't trick me with muh feelings

>>519147062
Yeah they are supposed to be excommunicated. But everywhere in my area is full of them. Maybe I was quick to judge, maybe I can find a church without them. I don't know anon.
The "Ave Maria" symbol suggest it is more widespread then just my region however.
This was in Denver, Colorado. Lots of not so honest stuff and not so honest people in this region these days. But, I guess there is nothing new under the sun.

>>519147239
so what did Jesus answer him?

>>519147259
does he forgive satan and his angels too?

>>519147430
>I follow the Holy Spirit.
Says every heretic and the 6 gorrillion different protestant religions

>>519146801
>sola scriptura
>the reformers
Pick one.

Where in the bible is it written you have to wait for those "reformers"?

>>519147511
"And the gates of hell will prevail immediately and you'll have to wait 1500 years for the real Christianity"

>>519138745
>There is no ban on Catholics reading the bible, and historically what you are referring to is that only church sanctioned officials are allowed to preach from the bible. In fact, only reason the masses weren't "allowed"(because they lacked the resources to, not because of a ban) to read the bible was because they used to be exclusively written in Latin and books were expensive to produce. There was no hard ban on reading them.
Read a history book, you lying papist snake, and stop trying to gaslight everyone.

>>519147455
>nothing new under the sun.
Indeed, read Paul’s letters to Corinthians. The flock had began to scatter long before the schism with Orthodoxy, long before protestant reformation. There’s always been wolves in shepards clothing

>>519147365
no, the roman church was corrupt and stank to heavens with its heretical teachings. if it was pure there wouldnt have been a reformation.

>we can make up our own minds about stuff
you still dont get having the Holy Spirit as your guide and teacher. this is just sad man, repent and receive the Holy Spirit.

>>519146862
>repent
and then Christ forgives.
Whats your point?

Yes, Christ forgives.

>>519147376
you cant kill faith.
what kind of heretical bs is this? faith is given and then it grows, it doesnt decline.

>>519146862
>Christ forgives all sin
???

Not gluttony you fat mutt.

>>519147449
what emotion? do you think religion is some fucking clothing you carry to feel good about yourself but have no inner change of your hearth?
a whitewashed tomb full of dead mans bones?

>>519147418
6gorrillion and 1 when you count rome's split from all the other bishops. Now refute the rest oh right you can't because there's a cock in your mouth and you don't know better or how to say no.

>>519147673
Faith is not intellectual assent to a proposition
Faith is believing in Jesus Christ and following him
To commit mortal sin is to abandon your faith in Christ and what he commands of you, but you can be forgiven

>>519146999
>shit up

Chist doesnt forgives gluttony you fat, sharting, mutt.

>>519147510
always the same shitty argument. yet neck deep in idolatry and having a man as authority instead of God himself. just another of the false churches.

>>519147749
>Nobody got it right, everyone's just making shit up like we do
Sad

>>519147230
Nice, very nice. Put your right hand over your heart and then say it with me. ONE ONE UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE.

>>519147061
>you can't read
Not a sin.
Whats your point?

>>519134756 (OP)
All Abrahamic desert cult/religions have got to go.

>>519147845
one world*

>>519147838
>always the same shitty argument
Because you cannot refute it
"I got the Holy Spirit and all the other protestants don't"

>>519147061
>ass, man
Christ doesnt forgives gluttony you fat mutt.

>>519147550
gates arent an offensive weapon, the church prevails against the gates of hell and isnt a bitch that is battered against. the real Church is pure without wrinkle and spot.
its definitely not the roman church.

>>519147158
>Abraham, Isaac and Jacob all had faith and that was enough for God.
B-but... Protestants say that the bible says that those men had to wait for the protestant reform and read the bible to please God.

>>519147755
then start following his commandments maybe? including keeping the sabbath?

>>519147510
>>519147511
The real Christians were always there and were always trying to give people the Bible. Basically anyone who the church didn't like was a real Christian and you can tell because they used to called them heretics and hunt them down.
>>519147613
>no, the roman church was corrupt and stank to heavens with its heretical teachings. if it was pure there wouldn't have been a reformation.
Yeah, they had all those rotten traditions and now since the protestants got rid of them we don't need any tradition or have to learn about saints or Mary or anything like that. We just have the scripture and our personal interpretations and we're much better off for it. They weren't pure, but the reformation purified Christianity itself by removing all the things from the past that might have been catholic and now we can read the bible again and figure it out for ourselves.

>>519148067
Your interpretation is wrong

>>519147214
>Jesus said reading is mandatory.
?

Not reading is not even a sin.

>>519148074
>The real Christians were always there and were always trying to give people the Bible
Give evidence for your claim right now that the Early Church were secret baptists with a 66 book canon
Give your evidence that anyone like this existed prior to 1500

>>519147903
you simply hate that God is sovereign and decides who receives faith and salvation and who doesnt.
thats why you need to cling to phony works and traditions of man so you can larp as a good person when the reality is that you are rotten to the core and know it but cant change it yourself.
you dont want to rely on God you want to rely on yourself. you want to be your own god.
am I right?

>>519147993
>the real Church is pure without wrinkle and spot.

Now who worships men? The church is the sum total of mortals. The church is always battered and spit on, because that's life. Even Christ was battered into a bloody pulp before bleeding out in a cross. You gonna call Him impure as well? Typical protestant puritanism, it's almost like spiritual OCD. Which is funny because Martin Luther had that disorder too.

>>519148060
No one cares which flavour of the middle eastern brainrot you ascribe to. We’re pro European over here.

>>519147371
Faithless atheist moment.

>>519148203
You keep making shit up about me
You make shit up about your own religion, about my religion, about who I am and what I think
You are delusional, I don't do this to you, I push back on your false belief, that's it

>>519148094
God is pretty clear about that one, take it up with him.
remember the sabbath and keep it holy.
dont worship carven images of things in heaven, earth or in the sea.
have no other gods beside him.
try starting with these 3.

>>519148303
Your interpretation is wrong

>>519147418
>Reading it incorrectly
Thats not a mortal sin.

On the other hand, Christ doesnt forgives gluttony you fat mutt.

>>519147061
I think he's gone full retard, meanwhile you seem reasonable. I've been toying with an idea of developing post-protestant epistemology. Sola Veritas. For example see my post on the deuterocanonical books as intellectual honesty. >>519144683

This is now a blessed Pagan thread. White people must return to our roots, cast off the slave religion of Christianity. Remember your proud gods of honor and strength, not this deception of meekness.

https://files.catbox.moe/i9ow9n.mp4

>>519148303
Become a Muslim already.
>Hurr no carven images of divinity allowed
Muhammad also ordered no images be made in his likeness. Boo hoo, we enjoy visual reminders of Christ's life, death and resurrection to help guide our prayer. Cry about it.

>>519148225
you have no fucking clue who the Church is.
its the Women mentioned in Revelation, the virgin daughter in the OT and the bride of Christ in the NT.
its a person that exists in the supernatural or spiritual realm. the faithful are her children on earth that satan wages war against. Jesus Christ being the firstborn.

>>519148165
Rome persecuted Christians and threw them to the lions. Then the roman catholic church persecuted people they called heretics. All those people wanted to do was to share the Bible with people but the church didn't allow it. Maybe they didn't have an english bible just yet but it was probably the dead sea scrolls. It's all in history, just read it for yourself.

>>519148369
One of my friends was once a larpagan, then became a cuckolic. Being a cuckolic was literally preferable to being a larpagan, that's how bad it is. Some would say the two have similarities though.

>>519148325
so you openly declare yourself a heretic. how fitting.

>>519148438
>its the Women mentioned in Revelation, the virgin daughter in the OT and the bride of Christ in the NT.
its a person that exists in the supernatural or spiritual realm. the faithful are her children on earth that satan wages war against.

And you accuse Catholics of goddess worship? That's rich.

>>519148436
the fuck are you babbling about.
how hard is it to not bow to a statue of "mary" or pray to her?

>>519148485
>heretic
You have no authority over anyone
You know what the word heretic even means? Go look it up
How ironic

>>519148523
were did I say to venerate her, or pray to her, worship to her or accredit miracles to her?
we hardly know a thing about her, she is only mentioned in Revelation and hidden in some passages of the OT.

>>519147755
>can be forgiven
Gluttony cant be forgiven you fat mutt.

>>519148530
Prayer =/= worship. It can include worship, reverence, veneration, or intercession or petition. And we Revere Mary and often petition her, we do not worship her as we worship God or Christ. We Revere her because that's the mother of Christ.

You don't wanna pay respect to Christ's mother? Why? How would you feel if someone refused to respect your own mother?

>>519148545
you openly spit on the commandments of God, its all I have to know. thats the definition of a heretic.

>>519134756 (OP)
>>519134756 (OP)
>>519134756 (OP)
Reminder that the "no tail" posts are made by VPN niggers of a troon squad from iDrama and Valent Projects cuckademics to normalize furfag degeneracy across the board.
You're welcome.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518123762/#518129824
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518281658/#518287969
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518256371/#518256990

>>519148689
>Now I'm gonna just make up my own definition to words
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE TROLLING ME

>>519148675
were does Jesus or the apostles ever tell us to revere mary.
your in some kind of mother goddess occult garbage. pray to your Father who is in heaven only is what Jesus told us.

>>519148074
>The real Christians were
They werent fat because gluttony is unforgivable, you fat mutt.

We're on page 10? I didn't even realise lol. Well, God bless you all, have a good day.

>>519148772
you dont keep the commandments.

>>519148815
I do my best, you're interpreting them wrong, simple as
I'm out of here now though, pray for me, I'll pray for you

>>519148074
>the bible says that reading is mandatory
????

Christ doesnt forgives gluttony you fat mutt.

>>519148777
>were does Jesus or the apostles ever tell us to revere mary.
You're done, you don't even read the Bible. "BEHOLD, YOUR MOTHER", literally one of Christ's dying requests to his apostles. Stop posting

>>519148876
the commandments are pretty straight forward. even a child can understand them.

>>519148912
to John alone, read the fucking bible.

>>519148942
Open your eyes and realize people disagree, which means some people are wrong
And guess what? Maybe you're the one that's wrong
Anyway, I gotta get out of here, consider asking God if you're actually right about any of this, or if other followers of Christ have it right

>>519148228
>International board full of strangers.
>We’re pro European over here.
?

>>519148675
>kneel down before Icon of Mary
>clasp hands in prayer before Mary
>praise Mary and ask her for things
>"Hail Mary"
>stand up
>turn around and look at the camera
>"it's just veneration, bro"
>"I am praying to her so she will pray for me, kek!"

Matthew 6:6
"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."

Of course, the Protty scum misinterpreted this one. "Father" in the Septuagint means "Mary", kek!

>>519134756 (OP)
Nigger

>>519149039
read the commandments. the real ones, not the catholic ones.

>>519148980
John was not the son of Mary. So it follows the request was to regard Mary as if she were your own mother. And to be an apostle of Christ is to do as the apostles. That means respecting Christ's mom. You can't even respect the mother of the Savior and lash your tongue in spite at the idea. Why?

>>519149057
Do you think we believe statues are Gods? Honestly, is that what you actually believe that we believe?
When you pray in your closet, are you accidently worshipping your drywall?

>>519148369
>religion
>Christianity
You talk like a Christian.

>>519149098
The commandments are not numbered in scripture and appear two different times, you would know this if you read the Bible and didn't just believe idiot "pastors" on the internet
The Church gave them numbering

>>519149099
yes, John was told to take care of Mary by Jesus as if it was his own mother.
he was dying on the cross. not to start a mommy worship cult.

>>519149161
Exodus 20
20 And God spoke all these words, saying,

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.

3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands[b] of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor, and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your male servant, or your female servant, or your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.[c]

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”

>>519149166
And still you can't respect Christ's mom. Why is that? Would it pain you to respect the mother of your saviour?
Do you have friends? Do you respect their mom's out of courtesy? Then why can't you pay that to Christ's mother. What stops you?

>>519149249
I respect her, I just dont worship her. its not scriptural.

>>519149112
>we don't pray TO Mary, we pray WITH Mary
>and it's not worship, it's veneration!
>this idol here isn't a golden calf, it's just an object that I ascribe no particular meaning to, even though I only pray towards it

Oy vey!

>>519149234
You know the chapters and verses were added by the Church centuries later, right? You think the original manuscripts and Bibles had chapters and verses labeled?

>>519148777
>Jesus said that praying to Mary is a mortal sin. Thats in the Bible.
????

>>519148876
>pray for me, I'll pray for you
Gluttony cant be forgiven you fat mutt.

>>519149279
Great now you are thinking like a Catholic. We don't worship her either. We can only venerate in prayer because in case you missed the obvious, she ain't a phone call away, can't write to her or walk up to her to smile and wave IRL. And we truly believe those who are in heaven are more than alive and can receive our petition.

Do you believe those in heaven are alive?

>>519149303
>Golden calf
Nowhere in the scripture does it say they venerated it, they worshipped it, you are using scripture to lie

>>519149318
goddam, count the fucking commandments then. how fucking dense are you? they are 10.