Thread 519152979

>>519152979 (OP)
Sorry, buddy.
Preheat your oven

>>519152979 (OP)
I'm not sure who is worse, Sephardics or Russian jews

>>519152979 (OP)
>contributing to a centralizd DNA database

>>519152979 (OP)
you are one of them and you cannot be trusted
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gujPXF1WLKI

>>519152979 (OP)
Do you feel part of your DNA trying to murder the rest?

It's literally over for OP...talk about a rough break

>>519152979 (OP)
I'm 62% Ashkenazim and 12% Sicilian

>>519152979 (OP)
So you are latinx

>>519153044
I dont know of any overly negative examples of sephards. Just baal from sg1 and the voice actor guy from the simpsons who was also on friends.

>>519152979 (OP)
>>519154725
kill yourselves

>>519152979 (OP)
Wow.
Ancestry game back and said I'm really 10% Austrian.
Maybe my 10% should send your 8% to the showers

>>519152979 (OP)
>be 1% Ashenazi Jew
>start going to reform synagogue
>meet new chick there
>she is 3% Sephardic
Feels good to be chosen, bros.

>>519157392
I can imagine how disgenic you two look.

>>519157392
I still don't see the point of the jews, as how is a mental representation of something supposed to be more real than the physical representation of something? At the end of the day, Jews worship a conceptual idol, while others prefer wooden ones.

>>519158106
You're not putting your faith in material things.

>>519154725
yep, im latinx and also got like 5% sephardic
all those years of involuntary hand rubbing when things went my way even though they shouldnt have make sense

Its nothing.
Jews are the way they are *now* because those are the ones who resisted the urge to merge with the goyim. To convert to Christianity, and become part of the great majority in European civilization.
The ones who over a thousand years still retained their jewish religion and ethnic identity are the ones who are descended from generation after generation who refused to join the goyim, no matter how advantageous it might have been.
The modern jews have been selected by evolutionary pressure for the trait of hating goyim so much they'd rather be pogromed than go to church.

>>519158606
>You're not putting your faith in material things
Oxymoron, consider that the only way you have knowledge of your god... is through the Torah, which is a book and a material object, and for that book to be real, it requires a leap of faith, not reason. There is no record or witnesses of any of the events in the Torah, and in fact, there is ample evidence of the impossibility of the Exodus.
There is also the issue of false prophecies. For example, Daniel claimed that Yahweh revealed to him that the Messianic era would begin 70 years from his time (Ezekiel says 40) and that Jerusalem would never be conquered... All lies, first Ptolemy, then Pompey, the same kind of mental gymnastics that keeps Christianity alive and used by Paul is used by Judaism, fake prophecies reinterpreted over and over again when they are not fulfilled.

>>519158606
I find it incredible that Jews worship a book and cry that others worship what they create with their hands, without even stopping to think. What is the Torah if not an idol of words?

>>519159334
It started as pure reason before it was ever written down and it is similar to other cultures that had the idea of a first cause creator. You can criticize the mythology but at the end of the day Jews had the correct mix of ideas presented in the form of stories to withstand the test of time. The exodus from Egypt could be applied to escaping the zeitgeist of whoever the current power is.

>>519152979 (OP)
dna test are usually lying. they want to combat anti-semitism and racism by making you think you're part jew or nigger

>>519160105
>started as pure reason before it was ever written down and it is similar to other
No, according to your religion, it is based on a theology founded on revelation, not nature. Judaism is a revealed religion, not a natural religion like Shintoism or Vedism.
>started as pure reason before it was ever written
Was it started by Jews?
Because that idea began with Pythagoras, and he was not Jewish. Basically, you are playing with fire here. You are admitting that Judaism stole theology from others, and that the revelation at Sinai is not unique, thereby invalidating Judaism as the one true religion, reducing it to simply a religion that borrowed useful ideas from others.
>zeitgeist of whoever the current power is.
This type of allegory is currently the same one used by the Jew who invented the Trinity, Philo of Alexandria. At the end of the day, it is no different from what Christians, whom you criticize so much, do: reinterpret history/prophecy in such a way that it never proves the religion you have already decided is the truth to be false.
> Basically, the exodus never happened, Moses never existed... but don't say that Judaism is false.
> Basically, the resurrection never happened, Jesus never existed... but don't say that Christianity is false.

>>519160105
>>519160612
Another thing: all religions are idolatrous, but there are different types of idolatry. Idolatry based on anthropomorphism (statues) is not the same as idolatry based on concepts (books).
>I'd say all religion is idolatrous in some sense. Jews treat writing as having the presence of God within its worshiping a physical scroll and treating Yahweh as written as if it were his presence. Letter idolatry

>>519160612
I'm not denouncing it as false. Abraham had these revelations and everything else followed that realization. I was just mentioning another angle to think about the whole thing from in my previous post.

>>519160924
I can't make it make sense for you. If you think it is about the physical scroll itself then I can't help you.

>>519161449
>Abraham had these revelations and everything else followed that realization.
It seems reasonable. Tell me, you contrast the veracity of the New Testament with the Torah as the gold standard.
But how do you contrast the veracity of the Torah?
Because there are no witnesses to the existence of Abraham except for the Torah, a leap of faith like that taken by Christians. Do you see that you are no different from them?
Not to mention the fact that Abraham married his sister. Do you approve of incest as stipulated by Yahweh's law?
>>519161449
>If you think it is about the physical scroll itself then I can't help you
Do you think paganism was about physical statues?

>>519161449
>>519161868
>Fact #1: There is not a single mention of Moses, the Torah, Abraham, Jacob, Adam & Eve, Noah, Joseph, or anyone from the Torah.
>Fact #2 mosaic Law was not followed here, as Professor Gad Barnea points out, we find evidence of pork consumption, no evidence of circumcision, they make graven images of gods, they worship other gods side by side with YHVH, and the Torah says that YHVH’s presence is with the Ark and can’t be anywhere else but in Jerusalem.
>Fact #3 the so called “Passover letter” is not only extremely dubious—but even if we granted that this is the biblical Passover—this is dated to 419BCE ! And the Judeans in Elephantine are just hearing about this for the first time in the 410s after being in elephantine for over a century and a half. It’s also a known Persian tradition to eat unleavened bread during the spring equinox festival—suggesting a possible borrowing from Persian culture.
>If you can’t provide a single example of the hundreds of texts from Elephantine that mention Moses, Abraham, Noah, the Torah, Jacob, the 12 tribes, Joseph, Adam & Eve or the Exodus—then you are just reaching for straws.

>>519161868
It is different. Judaism's theology is entirely self contained whereas Christianity relies on the Jewish faith for its credibility but fundamentally attempts to alter it. Think about it in terms of Star Wars. In the original trilogy everything was Vader's free will choices and he ultimately redeemed himself in the end. Lucas then made the prequel trilogy. He did a lot of interesting world building but adding all the stuff about the prophecy robbed Anakin of being a real person since all of his decisions were an inevitable. Christianity is broken in the same way because it is just an ultimatum about heaven or hell.

>>519152979 (OP)
I bet it's the nose

>>519152979 (OP)
don't worry, we all know by your flag

>>519162565
>different. Judaism's theology is entirely self contained whereas Christianity relies on the Jewish faith for its credibility but fundamentally attempts to alter it
No, it isn't. Rabbinic Judaism is as far removed from the temple as Christianity is.
Both religions derive from the same proto-religion, and Christianity does not derive from Rabbinic Judaism.
>Rabbinic Judaism is just as much an innovation of the text as Christianity was. Much of it comes from the practice of reinterpreting prophecy from the past to be relevant again.

>Star Wars
This is your highest level, justifying your religion... with Star Wars. I thought we were having a serious conversation.
>prophecy robbed Anakin of being a real person since all of his decisions were an inevitable
Considering that all of Judaism rests on prophecies that have been reinterpreted over and over again, I suppose you believe that Jews are not real people with agency?

>sent test to 23andme
>came back 0.6% Ashkenazi

Its so fucking over. Applying for Israel citizenship and Jew school in Tel Aviv.

>>519154534
Kike

>>519152979 (OP)
Flag checks out

>>519152979 (OP)
Why are you Jewish?

>>519152979 (OP)
sorry for your loss

>>519152979 (OP)
Allegedly one of my great grandfathers is Jewish. There is even a star of David on his grave stone. But he didnt raise my family member he birthed and none of us were raised in any kind of jewish culture.

>>519162565
>Judaism's theology is entirely self contained
And this is not true. Judaism did not produce its own theology, but rather a form of mythological monolatrist paganism, or what others call ethical monotheism. The first Jewish theologian was Philo of Alexandria, and he was a moderate Platonist. All of his theological ideas came from the Greeks and Plato. There is no Jewish theology, which confirms that it is not autonomous, but derived (or stolen) from Greek philosophical monotheism.

>>519162861
>Rabbinic Judaism is as far removed from the temple as Christianity is.
No, Jewish commentary on the Torah existed long before the time of Jesus and the irony is that Christianity relies entirely on framing Judaism as being solely reliant on sacrifices so they can claim they had the final one.
1 Kings 8:48-50
>if they return unto Thee with all their heart and with all their soul in the land of their enemies, who carried them captive, and pray unto Thee toward their land, which Thou gavest unto their fathers, the city which Thou hast chosen, and the house which I have built for Thy name; then hear Thou their prayer and their supplication in heaven Thy dwelling-place, and maintain their cause; and forgive Thy people who have sinned against Thee, and all their transgressions wherein they have transgressed against Thee; and give them compassion before those who carried them captive, that they may have compassion on them;
Deuteronomy 4:27-29
>And the LORD shall scatter you among the peoples, and ye shall be left few in number among the nations, whither the LORD shall lead you away. And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. But from thence ye will seek the LORD thy God; and thou shalt find Him, if thou search after Him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.
Hosea 3:4
>For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim.
Judaism, without question, has a basis for existing outside the sacrificial system. Since you don't need an intermediary between you and God, you don't need Jesus.

>>519162861
>This is your highest level, justifying your religion... with Star Wars.
No, that is YOUR highest interpretation of what I was trying to communicate.

>>519153044
Russian jews are 110IQ and sephardics are 90IQ so-o-o-o, you decide.

>>519152979 (OP)
into the oven you go fren

>>519152979 (OP)
now you have to cut your dick

>>519152979 (OP)
it's ok my 8% nigger jew, you will always be my 92% nigger goy to me

>>519154534
when you jew me, i'll try to remember you also jewed 38% of yourself as well

>>519163122
What was meant was that Judaism doesn't have to acknowledge other philosophies or religions explicitly and the details can be debated just based off of the stories but Christianity doesn't have any context without Judaism.

>>519163472
>Jewish commentary on the Torah existed long before the time of Jesus
It's true, even Jesus refers to the steps allowed on the Sabbath, and that's from the Talmud, and at the same time the early Christians were already wandering around Canaan. I suppose you know about the Scenios?
They emerged at the same time as the commentaries on the Torah. One ended up in Christianity, the other in Rabbinism, both separated from the temple.
>the Essenes.
>Jewish sect that lived in separate communities, best known for their settlement at Qumran, near the Dead Sea. They were characterized by their ascetic lifestyle, emphasis on ritual purity, practice of frequent baptisms, rejection of the Hasmonean government and the functioning of the Temple in Jerusalem, and a dualistic view of the world (light vs. darkness). The Dead Sea Scrolls, discovered in the caves of Qumran, are works attributed to this community.
They were the ones who created the idea of Belial (Satan) as Christians understand it.

>framing Judaism as being solely reliant on sacrifices so they can claim they had the final one.
On the contrary, Christianity takes a totally different course, one that reinterprets the Torah within a moral framework that never existed in the first place.
The only part that Christianity takes into account when it comes to sacrifices is the white lamb of atonement, a real ritual, and in fact the only form according to the Torah for sins to be forgiven.
>No, that is YOUR highest interpretation of what I was trying to communicate.
If Judaism is a completely autonomous religion, justify it without using Greek philosophy (aka the monad you like to quote so much).

>>519163937
>Judaism doesn't have to acknowledge other philosophies
They do it constantly. The first Jewish theologian, Philo of Alexandria, constantly acknowledged Greek philosophy, especially Plato, to justify his religion. Without Platonism, Judaism is a pagan religion like any other, whose core truth can be summed up as “trust me, bro.”
>Christianity doesn't have any context without Judaism.
Christianity only makes sense in terms of Jewish mythology, but every Christian argument is Platonic. The mythology of the Jews and the theology of the Greeks.

>>519163944
You're highlighting the diversity in Jewish thought, which is why I enjoy being around them. Christianity is seems far worse about the dogmatic approach to declaring a singular way of approaching it.

>justify it without using Greek philosophy
Treat others the way you want to be treated. Also, we're all equally made in the image of God and not inherently subject to other humans.

>>519163937
Extant Judaism is entirely Talmudic. The idea that Jews are some fundamentalist denomination of protochristians who never believed in Christ is a cultivated illusion.
Most jews are atheists of course. But their New Testament is as essential to what religion jews do have as the gospels are to Christians.

>>519164689
>which is why I enjoy being around them
Christianity is much more diverse in thought than Judaism. There are different forms of Christianity, ranging from Arianism to the well-known Trinitarianism.
>47,300 Christian denominations worldwide.
>There are four Jewish denominations worldwide: Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist.

>all equally made in the image of God and not inherently subject to other humans.
The jewish yahweh does not think that way (pic related).
This confirms that Judaism is not self-contained. For example, when discussing theology, Maimonides does not refer to a single Jewish scholar... only Aristotle (Greek philosophy). The only time Maimonides refers exclusively to Jewish scholars is when commenting on halakha. Jewish theology is many things, but self-contained is not one of them.

>>519164689
>>519165296
That's without taking into account how even in things like the Trinity there is a diversity of thought that Judaism could never dream of matching.
Modalism
>Holds that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are modes or roles of a single God, not distinct persons.
Arianism
>denied the full divinity of the Son, considering him a superior creature, but not coeternal with the Father
Orthodox Trinitarianism
>Establishes the unity of substance (ousia) and distinction of persons (hypostasis).
Subordinationism
>He claimed that the Son and the Holy Spirit were subordinate to the Father in essence or rank.
Macedonianism
>denied the divinity of the Holy Spirit, considering him to be a creature.
Unitarianism
>Believe in three separate divine beings (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit), not in a single essence.
The joke about the Jew and the three synagogues isn't really true, but the one about the Christian and his three churches is much more realistic.

>>519165296
>>519165773
Christian diversity of thought tends to end in mass murder because of their concept of eternal hell.

>>519152979 (OP)
we'll gas you last

>>519166044
>murder because of their concept of eternal hell.
Really, are Jews better?
If I remember correctly, that diversity of thought was not reflected in the Maccabean revolt when the most “fanatical” Jews put to the sword anyone who showed any interest in Greek philosophy. Even the high priest of the time, Onias III, ended up dead in the bloodbath while seeking refuge in Greece.

>>519166044
Diversity of Jewish thought
>Among Jewish factions in Jerusalem: Zealots, Pharisees, Sadducees, and Sicarii.
>There were violent struggles for control of the city before the Roman invasion.
The Zealots executed Sadducee priests and took the Temple by force.
This is quite curious because the Romans were surprised that the Jews did not protect the wall, and when they entered, they discovered them killing each other over “theological” differences.

>>519166044
>their concept of eternal hell.
This is curious, because how is hell any worse for me as a goy than ending up as a slave to a Jew in the messianic era?
That is the final destination of the goyim according to the Torah after the resurrection of the dead, ending up as slaves to a Jew, and it sounds like an eternal hell in its own right.

>>519166209
>>519166430
I accept that Jews were bad about it too but you're the one arguing that Jesus fixed all this.

>>519166706
>Jesus fixed all this
When did I say that?
On the contrary, Christians are just as bad and fake as judaism. Both Judaism and Christianity (as well as Islam) are based on a succession of failed prophecies that are reinterpreted over and over again. Please, even in the Torah, Yahweh constantly changes his mind and cannot agree with himself on basic things. For example, the strangest and most dissonant thing I read in the Torah was how Yahweh cannot decide if Israel is his wife or his son.

>>519152979 (OP)
See farty Jew

>>519167031
Are you an atheist?

>>519166706
Worst of all, Judaism, like Islam and Christianity, steals what is useful from other religions while demonizing those religions. For example, the resurrection of the dead is a concept of Mazdean/Zoroastrian origin that you the jews stole, while demonizing the god who gave Zoroaster the prophecy of the resurrection of the dead, Ahura Mazda.
>Frashokereti
>Frashokereti (Avestan: 𐬟𐬭𐬀𐬴𐬋⸱𐬐𐬆𐬭𐬆𐬙𐬌 frašō.kərəti) is the Avestan language term (corresponding to Middle Persian 𐭯𐭫𐭱(𐭠)𐭪𐭥𐭲 fraš(a)gird ) for the Zoroastrian doctrine of a final renovation of the universe, when evil will be destroyed, and everything else will be then in perfect unity with God (Ahura Mazda).
>The doctrinal premises are (1) good will eventually prevail over evil; (2) creation was initially perfectly good, but was subsequently corrupted by evil; (3) the world will ultimately be restored to the perfection it had at the time of creation; (4) the "salvation for the individual depended on the sum of [that person's] thoughts, words and deeds, and there could be no intervention, whether compassionate or capricious, by any divine being to alter this." Thus, each human bears the responsibility for the fate of his own soul, and simultaneously shares in the responsibility for the fate of the world.[1]
>On earth, the Saoshyant will bring about a resurrection of the dead in the bodies they had before they died. This is followed by a last judgment through ordeal. The yazatas Airyaman and Atar will melt the metal in the hills and mountains, and the molten metal will then flow across the earth like a river. All mankind—both the living and the resurrected dead—will be required to wade through that river, but for the righteous (ashavan) it will seem to be a river of warm milk, while the wicked will be burned. The river will then flow down to hell, where it will annihilate Angra Mainyu and the last vestiges of wickedness in the universe

>>519167230
Before answering, why do you want to know?

Also, there are other things that the Jews stole, for example, the concept of the Messiah, which is also of Mazdeist/Zoroastrian origin, and a LOSER idea, a form of cope.
Do you know how it originated?
When in a place in Afghanistan called Aryavarta, the Ariyans (followers of Ahura Mazda) lost their civil war against the Vedic Aryans... but how could we lose if we followed the religion of the lord of creation Ahura Mazda? Were we wrong?
So the priests created the idea of a future savior, a future victory for a defeated people... the Soshiant.
>Soshiant (Avestan: 𐬯𐬀𐬊𐬳𐬌𐬌𐬀𐬧𐬝 saoš́iiaṇt̰) is an Avestan-language term that literally means "one who brings benefit", and which is used in several different ways in Zoroastrian scripture and tradition. In particular, the expression is the proper name of the Soshiant, an eschatological saviour figure who brings about Frashokereti, the final renovation of the world in which evil is finally destroyed. The term was contracted to Soshans in Zoroastrian tradition and came to apply to three saviour figures that were prophesied to progressively bring about the final renovation.
>In the Gathas, the most sacred hymns of Zoroastrianism, believed to have been composed by Zoroaster himself, the term is used as a common noun to refer to the prophet's own mission and to his community of followers, who "bring benefit" to humanity. The common noun also appears in the Younger Avesta (e.g. Yasna 61.5), where it generically denotes religious leaders, including Zoroaster (e.g. Yasna 46.3)[2] Another common noun airyaman "member of community" is an epithet of these saoshyants. In contrast, the standing epithet of the saviour figure(s) is astvat-ərəta "embodying righteousness,"[3] which has arta/asha "Truth" as an element of the name.[4] These saviours are those who follow Ahura Mazda's teaching "with acts inspired by asha" (Yasna 48.12).

>>519152979 (OP)
You sold your DNA for nothing. Now your coding will be spliced and cloned into demons and monsters

>>519167346
Regardless of where they got it from they are doing something right to keep it going as long as they have. I'm having a good time with these people and that's enough for me.

>>519167681
I was just curious. From what I understand about the Jewish messiah, he is supposed to show up after Jews get their act together.
Isaiah 59:20
>And a redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who turn from transgression, says the Lord."
It is reversed in Romans 11:26
>"And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written, The deliverer will come from Zion and remove ungodliness from Jacob."
Seems like some of the confusion comes from this.

>>519168174
>Regardless of where they got it from they are doing something
Do you believe there is truth in a theft?
If the idea is not theirs and they took it from others, for obvious reasons the first group that received the revelation is the correct one... assuming that the revelation is true and not another form of coping that the Aryans used when they lost the civil war.
>One day you will rise from the dead and our savior will mak
e you kneel before Ahura Mazda.
No matter what, you always come up with some kind of justification. It feels like debating with a brick wall.
Our god is always the real one, because even our lies are from our god.
>And he said, 'I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' And he said, 'Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so
>From what I understand about the Jewish messiah, he is supposed to show up after Jews get their act together.
And in Daniel's failed prophecy, he states that the written law will no longer be necessary because God will inscribe the law in the hearts of his people. The prophecy is reinterpreted and the cycle continues. Daniel said 70 years, it did not happen. One of the most curious things is that Daniel justifies himself by saying that Yahweh lies, and that when a prophet speaks but the prophecy is not fulfilled, it is because Yahweh has lied.

>>519152979 (OP)
>DNA test says
lol

>>519168174
>good time with these people and that's enough for me.
It is time for you to admit the truth: you are not where you are looking for the truth, you are simply here to have a good time/nepotism. All your anti-Christian posts seem like coping to camouflage your true intention, which is basically an act of exogamy and anti-tribalism.
I am not Christian, if you had that doubt, nor am I an atheist or a deist (too abstract for me).

>>519168692
>the first group that received the revelation is the correct one
Not necessarily. Sometimes a refined version is better. I just think Christianity got more wrong than they did right when they tried to do so.

>>519168692
>No matter what, you always come up with some kind of justification. It feels like debating with a brick wall.
This is a good place to end it since I have to go anyway. I've been all over the political spectrum over the years before getting into religion. I appreciate the timeless aspects of it and studying it. The basic principles seem to be the closest things I've seen to people having a consensus on something. I just think that it simply is justified. Maybe I'm being too pragmatic about it but that's just the way I'm looking at the situation these days.

>>519169893
>Sometimes a refined version is better. I just think Christianity got more wrong than they did right when they tried to do so.
This is literally a form of coping and manipulation. You admit that you stole from others, but we “perfected” it, so it is our truest truth. What you are doing is perverse: stealing from others and claiming that what you stole is truer in your hands than in theirs.
>I just think that it simply is justified. Maybe I'm being too pragmatic about it but that's just the way I'm looking at the situation these days.
You are pragmatic. When confronted with the truth, you always come up with some kind of justification, like what you just did (it's more true in our hands than in others'), a series of leaps of faith and manipulations.
>Christianity got more wrong than they did right when they tried to do so.
And why Judaism got more right correct when they tried to do so?
You will never be able to answer this question.

>>519153038
Oven

>>519152979 (OP)
Sentence: Zyklon B
Appeal: Denied


Die jew

>>519163629
BO JUD

>>519170712
8% Subsaharan African

>>519170757
5% ARAB

>>519153044
Russian Jews are the most evil people who ever lived. See Lavrenty Beria and basically all the bolsheviks except Stalin

God I am probably such a jew mutt