Thread 519192765

Teehee hee. Ford made a little whoopsies. They didn’t listen to their customers. Instead they listened to the woke mind virus that is EV. Sucks to suck.
https://thelibertydaily.com/ford-ceo-admits-automakers-didnt-consider-their-customers/

>>519192765 (OP)
no bores were used to produce EVs

>>519192765 (OP)
Fighting climate change has never been about delivering cost effective quality to consumers

>businessmen
>don't understand how business works

maybe because if they causde themselves any problems, their corpora-socialist government will bail them out with taxpayers' money

>>519192765 (OP)
They considered the orders they got from the government.

>>519192765 (OP)
All good, I never considered a Ford when I was customer either. And never will.

>>519192765 (OP)
They threatened to impound his imported Chinese car, didn't they

please start making cheap light trucks again.

>>519192960
>maybe because if they causde themselves any problems, their corpora-socialist government will bail them out with taxpayers' money

Exactly. The privileged, insulated nepo baby who runs Ford has never had to face consequences for his decisions, and he's not gonna start now.

>>519192765 (OP)
When did CEO’s go from being actual captains of industry to brain dead retards ?

>EV's are the "woke mind virus"
I think thought that a phrase coined by Musk, purveyor of EV's, to describe troons?

>>519192957
Being against climate change propaganda is very antisemitic

>>519193025
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>>519193352
Failure Of Research & Development

>>519193219
Around the late 80’s/early 90’s. Which lead to even more retarded (((CEOs))) in the 2000’s. Which brought us to the current situation of the most retarded CEOs that don’t know anything about anything.

>>519193352
>>519193404
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>>519193352
>Fix
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>>519192765 (OP)
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Ford's $5 Billion Model T Moment Aims To Turn EV Operation Profitable
Ford did not make a major EV announcement today, but the most recent large announcement was in August 2025, when it unveiled a new Universal EV Platform and announced a new affordable, midsize electric pickup truck. The company is investing $5 billion to develop the platform and create about 4,000 jobs. The first vehicle on this new platform will be an electric pickup truck, launching in 2027 with a starting price of around $30,000.

>>519192765 (OP)
Wasn't there a story just a week ago that Ford decided to reverse course on EVS after taking a trip to China and seeing how advanced China was with EVS - it scared them away from EVs due to inability to compete. Isn't that how it went? So what is this story, the damage control narrative side of things?

>>519192957
>muh fighting climate change

The amount if effort it would take to counteract or even do anything about the amount of waste produced in countries like China is definitely more than making cars that are barely getting their life cycle past one generation and never mind its own supply chain problems, emissions and wastes, etc.

A pipe dream.

>>519193677
Nah it's fine, EVs just need AI in them, so they can double penetrate the power grid.

>>519192765 (OP)
No surprise seeing how much American CEOs all despise their customers and employees with a mad passion. It's the same with you guys too, or any lazy ass born with a silver spoon up their ass.
>pattern recognition

>>519193439
I guess why they say managerial capitalism ended in the late 70s and was replaced by financial ((capitalism)) and no one knows how to run a business

>>519192765 (OP)
I thought it was about the planet not the customers

Were there giant subsidies given out for making and marketing these things? Ford in particular made some seriously poor choices. They made the Mach-E Mustang, an electric psuedo wagon thing that they branded as a Mustang. And then an electric version of the Ford Lightning F-150. The original was a bad ass step side that had a SVT v8 in it. Both of these brands, Mustang and Lightning have been enthusiasts gems for many years and Ford said, who cares about you?

>>519193790
A simple AI program with only specific tasks and information related to fuel conservation would require very little computing capacity and less energy to run.

>>519192960
>businessmen
>don't understand how business works
they wanted to turn from car company to data company like Tesla

Ford actually had a much more considered approach than most auto manufacturers, by first offering electric drivetrains as an option for their existing line of vehicles rather than going all-in on tooling for new EVs, the development cost of which then had to be offset on the consumer.

It didn't work, but it was a good idea.

>>519194186
they have recording microphones in their new cars, they must have had a stroke when they came up with that idea

The push for EVs was entirely inorganic. The Market doesn't want to abolish internal combustion engines...that's entirely the insane authoritarian Davos Cult which want sto clamp down on people's mobility.

>>519192960
Manufacturers and now companies across industry, always adopt new technologies not purely from consumer demand but to protect Competitive Advantage and avoid being left behind.

The rush toward EVs was driven by investor expectations, with Tesla’s success in in what innovation looked like, not because consumers overwhelmingly wanted them. Likewise, the current mass adoption of AI follows the same strategic logic businesses have models for operating, like POrter's Five Forces.

Firms fear that failing to integrate AI will render them obsolete, inefficient, or uninvestable. Even when the short-term benefits are unclear. In both cases, EVs and AI are less about present demand and more about future positioning, companies adopt these technologies to signal relevance, attract capital, and secure their place in the next paradigm.

>>519194368
The EV push has been absolutely insane. No attention was paid to grids being capable of handling another peak time or capacity for it in general. The whole EV thing is outright collapsing here because hybrids were the right thing to do all along. You won't take a fat shit on the grid, you won't need to spend a bajillion on fucking charging ports (yet) and you won't see total second hand car death

>>519192765 (OP)
Don't care, I'm simply not going to own a car.
>but how will you get groceries?
I can walk to the store.
>but how will you get to work?
I'm unemployed.

My wife and I bought a 70’s bronco when we got married 12 years ago,instead of going on a honeymoon. It was a few years before anything came out about the new ones. The value has tripled and it’s running on bubble gum and baling wire. Things used to be more simple. Cheap and easy to work on. Ford should really shake up the market and produce a very affordable vehicle that parts are readily available and you can fix all of it. It’s wild how much money we saw friends spend on honeymoons, just money down the fucking drain. Then they complain because they can’t afford anything.

>>519194461
Cool. How do I make money from this.

>>519192765 (OP)
EV's make a lot of sense if your a city fag that works in an office with free charging

>>519193219
When the government made it clear that taxpayer dollars will be used to prevent the consequences of failure

>>519193979
Where the car industry failed in America: they try to tell us what we want rather than focus on customer needs. There is a whole generation of customers that want something every other country in the world seems to be able to provide: a small basic, somewhat sporty, affordable car. A lot of people are on a tight budget but require a vehicle that allows them to travel to work or hop about town doing errands.

But like entry level homes, the profit just isn’t there and there exists a possibility that people may never move beyond ownership of an economic vehicle into something bigger and more pricey. That hurts the sale of more expensive vehicles that they are currently coerced into purchasing instead of buying something they actually need and could afford. The city would be a great place to test market the equivalent of the Japanese kei car. Lightweight, 600-1000cc, great on gas. Don’t expect them to go much above 65mph (surprisingly quick when you consider power to weight ratio) but for local driving, that should be all you ever need. The trick is that they are both stylish and affordable.

Like building entry level homes, won’t happen because the profits won’t be there plus this may interfere with the sales of the inventory of more pricey models. We can’t have that.

>>519193637
Ford is dead without protectionism. Without special laws to protect US automakers, the entire industry will be deleted. That includes Tesla; the most overvalued company in existence.

I swear the entire US economy is surviving on hype alone, there is no substance behind the numbers

>>519192765 (OP)
They should get bailed out this time around.
It's only fair.
Tens of thousands of workers in Mexico and China would be out of work if they went out of business.

>>519193637
The cost to produce the same evs they are/were making is going up and they probably no longer can make a profit on making more; especially considering demand is also falling for cars in general as the world slides into recession. Trying to hide this fact by going about muh customers is just an attempt to hide the fact they are and will have lower profits in the near future from financial markets.

>>519194853
They make sense if every gas station that currently exists offer EV charging.

Could you imagine the popularity of a small two seater EV similar to some of the Japanese kei cars for under $20k? Something like the Suzuki Samarai, the Honda Beat, or the similar. All lightweight vehicles being powered with either a 150 mile capacity battery or 600-1000 cc engine.

The big 3 intentionally soured Americans on small car ownership by offering ugly under powered vehicles which resulted in the popularity of the Japanese and European car markets instead.

They seriously fucked themselves over here.

>>519195160
>Ford is dead without protectionism. Without special laws to protect US automakers, the entire industry will be deleted.

Protectionism worldwide is just getting started. There's also not much of a real u.s. economy yet it's mostly still and interlinked globalized economy destined to be purposely crashed due to said increasing protectionism.

>>519195669
EV’s are profitable in every other country and that is the direction they are headed. Like the economy class car of the 70’s, Detroit has intentionally set themselves up for failure in the EV market.

The downfall of EVs is not that they are electric. It's all the fucking enshittification "features" and UX.

>>519192960
>businessmen
There are very few businessmen working corporate.
The vast majority of suits are sleazes whose entire skillset is dedicated to winning office politics.

>>519192957
I hate that climate change has hijacked the green movement. I've always been about urbanization, deforestation, forever chemicals, monsanto shit, things that are poisoning and killions millions with horrific cancers, fighting overpopulation, etc.

Meanwhile I left the green party because all they care about is muh co2 and they don't give a shit if Canada is flooded with population growth due to foreign invaders from high birthrate cultures, they don't care about supporting initiatives to reduce the birthrates of these high birthrate cultures, and they basically just became the shitlibs in every way.

>>519193219
The jews are hijacking the meaning of woke to mean anything that opposes their white genocide jewish agenda. EVs are currently shit because lithium ion batteries are shit but right now Quebec is making a new kind of batteries based on what John Goodenough invented after he invented the lithium ion batteries and this will revolutionize everything that uses batteries including EVs. All the lithium ion garbage is going to get replaced soon with far more powerful, efficient, higher capacity, and safer battery tech.

>>519193303
Climate change is just a way to get people to virtue signal about the environment and actually hurt the environment even more while ignoring the countless real environmental disasters we keep creating.

>>519192765 (OP)
>Oops we thought consumers would keep spending increasingly absurd amounts of money to meet their basic transportation needs haha I guess we just read the room wrong this wasn't greed on our part or anything no hard feelings. Lower the price? Goodness no. Lmao
Fuck automakers.

>>519192765 (OP)
>woke mind virus that is EVs
I genuinely struggle with people who have this mindset.

If you are an end-use consumer, why do you care what makes the car go? There doesn't seem to be an organic argument against EVs existing that doesn't obviously stem from viral marketing from entrenched interests.

If you're part off the .03% of the population who need to haul a horse trailer or whatever, then just don't buy one.

>>519194461
tesla only exists as it does due to government gibs. it has nothing to do with """"innovation""""

>>519196126
and the complete lack of "just werks" charging infrastructure. I dont want to have to plan everything I do around where I can charge and for how much time it will take.

>>519193219
Here's a quick rundown
>Jews wrestle control from WASPs
>Jews now in control of industry
>Jews decide it's too public facing, can't let the Goyim start noticing
>Jews become Board of Directors, hire Pajeet CEOs as fall guys
>Goyim start noticing anyways

>>519196298
Because the fucking GOVERNMENT constantly regulates shit that causes the auto industry to do unprofitable things.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy
>CAFE neither directly offers incentives for customers to choose fuel efficient vehicles nor directly affects fuel prices. Rather, it attempts to accomplish the goals indirectly, by making it more expensive for automakers to build inefficient vehicles by introducing penalties.

Based. Ik ben een Nederlander ook en ik fietst te market vandag en koped tien pumpkins. Ik heb ze in mijn fietskar geladen.

>>519194853
I know what you mean by free isn't really the issue. The issue is that there is not enough space for enough chargers if the entire population went EV.
Fossil fuels were 'charged' by eons of geologic pressure. The space and energy were allocated billions of years before humans were even around. You're literally never going to match the space efficiency of fossil fuels with electric. And this is just on the surface. All the 300 amp cables that would have to be running everywhere even if you had the electricity to run through them. It's an utterly absurd suggestion. Like maybe if most people were driving around in tiny little golf carts it would be possible. But not full size EVs
They are and always will be a novelty.

>>519196671
>>519194579

>>519196712
Just reduce the population to a fraction of what it currently is and we don't have these stupid problems anymore but EVs are trash for the environment the same as cars in general. Return to horse and wagon and bicycle.

>constantly try and rob govt
>govt changes hands
>”we’re sorry” scene from south park

>>519192765 (OP)
>They didn’t listen to their customers.
They were coerced by the fascist democrats when they were in power. EVs have always been a cruel joke.

>>519194545
>No attention was paid to grids being capable of handling another peak time or capacity for it in general.
Ive brought this up for years and I always get a blank stare in response from the EV and climate change retards. Some people genuinely believe that if every single vehicle on earth was an EV, that would save the entirety of humanity and the planet for forever

>>519196298
Mandatory EVs, like they want to make in the EU by 2035 is mass-demobilization.
There aren't the resources, nor the energy nor the political will to replace all cars with EVs, which means they want to take away the car/individual mobility from the pleb.
You have to see the bigger picture. Goal is a total dystopia with AI surveillance of (You) in the 15 minute-city, demobilized, demoralized, dehuminized.
You aren't allow to drive more than 20km because of your carbon-credit account. You're allowed 1t CO2 emittance per month. If you exceed it you can't buy at all, get minus-scores on your social-credit score which means you have to pay more for e.g. meat, don't get power, have to turn down your heatings, etc. The possibilities are endless.
Source of all is the CO2 hoax which is a jewish mind trick with bought studies that proclaim the end of the world if we don't give up our lifestyle.
Fuck them

If a global switch to EVs should happen we'd have to build over 1000 power plants each year.
That doesn't happen which means the power is simply not there if everything is switched to EV.

This is their envisioned future
Who besides fucking kikes would like to live in this scenario?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_8LTUmHWP0

>>519193219
Since around 2008 when the Lehman crash happened.
Until then economy was pretty much straight forward. You produce product which gets bought from customers.
Then the big crash came and the jews started the printing presses and only financed those which subjugated themselves to muh CO2 global warming so they get freshly printed shekels.
It just became much more worse over time with the money printing which results in huge inflation nowadays and also in EV bullshit which is toxic waste which eventually will all burn on african waste dumps.
It's such a fucking clown show

>>519193219
the CEO of Ford Jim Farley is literally Chris Farley's cousin

>>519196562
CAFE standards were sold as a way to reduce foreign imports of oil -- which act as a GDP leak on the domestic economy. Your own household also cannot make oil or refine it, so you run a constant "trade deficit" with oil companies. Having more fuel efficient vehicles is NOT a bad thing.

Of course, the CAFE standards themselves gave light trucks an out and the standards are much lower for them. And because it averages across a whole fleet, just make more crossovers and trucks you meet the standards more easily.

And finally, automakers don't actually want to sell you a $15,000 car that just works. If they did, Saturn would still be around They want to sell you a $50,000 truck.

>>519196712
>Fossil fuels
Oil isn't fossil, retard.
Oil reservoirs refill slowly

>>519197045
Every single time they just roll the "goals" back. They are not banning ICE cars.

But Europe has very little oil. North Sea with Norway and Britain. Shale in Estonia, I think. Are the wells still producing in Romania? But really, Europe doesn't have much oil at all outside of Russia. Certainly not for its level of industrialization.

So when we look at a broader picture than just what segments of the capital class have invested in their industrial capital (German automakers), it is a bit of a headscratcher that it would face such resistance.

>>519192765 (OP)
The wrong Farley died

>>519192765 (OP)
i loved my 2016 focus st
need to make more of those kinda cars

Yea we know, this is why EVs were rejected.

>>519198125
>it is a bit of a headscratcher that it would face such resistance.
Remember europoor? Inflation gets crazier by the week and people have no money left to buy 40+k EV bullshit which loses over 50% of its value after two years.

>>519193677
You have to stop blaming china for the pollution. Yes, it produces a lot of waste, but its also invested HEAVILY in green infrastructure specifically because they are trying to reduce their carbon footprint. China knows that climate change is real and is aiming for energy independence through green energy sources. India too, though India is worse at it because of bad infrastructure.

The average american person produces 3 times more waste than the average chinese person. America, as a country, produces 1/8th of all carbon released in the world all by itself, despite having a population of only 340 million (about 4.3% of the total world population) compared to China which is 17.2% of the global population. Of course they produce more waste than we do total, there are simply many times more of them, but that doesn't mean that the waste we produce ourselves is not STAGGERINGLY more than we can justify.

>>519194545
EVs have almost no impact on the grid because no one wanted them. AI datacenters however are consuming more power than entire cities and quadrupling power costs for regular people because corrupt politicians are giving breaks to the companies and bleeding regular people dry.

>>519194853
Or if, like most American drivers, you drive less than 200 miles per day or so. In that case, you plug in before you go to sleep (level 2 charging) and the car's back to 80% when you wake up in the morning. If you're driving less than 50 miles per day, level 1 is fine. Charging stations out in town are only really needed for road trips, or if you're unlucky enough to live in some shitty tenement without charging infrastructure, in which case you should stop worrying about what car you drive and instead should start focusing on improving your living situation.

If you can charge at home, having an EV is incredibly convenient. Like your phone, you put it on the charger when you're not using it and it's ready when you need it.

>>519195968
>the economy class car of the 70’s
This is a very good analogy.

>>519196357
This is a bit of a meme, at least in the first world. Even assuming that your main hobby is driving back and forth across the US, you're never more than an hour or two from level 3 charging. How many hours do you typically drive before you stop to gas up and take a piss? The difference here is that your stop takes 20 minutes instead of 5, and that's only an issue if you're driving more than a few hundred miles from home.
>t. ev owner that probably won't be going back to gas

>>519192765 (OP)
>They should keep making $100k tardtrucks
>That's what the market really wants

>>519198443
>China knows that climate change is real
Yeah it's real but not man-made
If you seriously believe this kys

>>519196712
>Fossil fuels
Hydrocarbons, don't fall for the dinosaur jew.

>>519198443
>America, as a country, produces 1/8th of all carbon released in the world all by itself
this stat takes goods made in china but bought in the USA, and attributes their carbon to the USA.
you're parroting lies.

>>519193352
All modern vehicles suck. But the Ford 7.3 is the only decent motor being made on planet earth today.

GM is supposed to be making a new sbc in 2027 but there is a 9 out of 10 chance it will be gay as fuck.

>>519198422
That's why you buy a cheap Chinese EV, not an expensive German one.
They pay for themselves by not getting raped by fuel taxes.

>>519193293
>woke mind virus
He got that from the internet. I started calling it a mind virus many years before Musky boy decided to stop being a demoshart, and I know I'm not the only one.

>>519198764
Nah i won't support mass-demobilization with one cent of my moneys.
They shall all burn in hell

>>519198563
>never more than an hour or two from level 3 charging
If I have a gas car, gas stations are everywhere. In all but the most remote places, I dont have any considerations about getting fuel or how long it will take. It isnt about EVs being usable or able to live with them. They are not a 1:1 replacement, because the charging situation is not there yet.

>>519192909
Lel

>>519195090
>a small basic, somewhat sporty, affordable car
You mean women want this? No one makes a decent vehicle today btw.

Here's what I want: remake the GMT400. Use a solid front axle with leaf springs. stroked vortec style small block chevy. A mechanical 4 speed with vacuum lockup overdrive gear (like the TH400 except woth an overdrive). Standalone ABS controller. Basic sensor sweet with OBD-II live diagnostics on a screen. The sensors would have no input only diagnostics.

>>519192765 (OP)
I think they should be forced to continue making electric vehicles, even if they just sit on the lot. Continue to save the planet, you jewish faggot.

>>519199128
Suite* lol

>>519193352
>>519193466
>>519193547
Fix
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>>519193439
>>519193219

>>519192765 (OP)
Its not that people aren't buying EVs. Every other car in LA is a Telsa now. Why would you buy an EV from some made in Mexico ludite piece of shit like Ford when I can buy a Tesla for the same price?

The Mach E fucking sucks. The F150 E is a fucking joke. Typical Ford POS. Just enough tech to piss you off and break all the time. Not enough tech to actually be cool. Zero effort zero innovation uninspired garbage we've all come to expect from Ford, except this time with a battery. FSD is decades behind and falling fast. Charging infrastructure is non-existent. Not cool. There's literally no reason to buy one.

These people haven considered their customers in 50 years since democrat socialists started regulating what they could make

>>519192765 (OP)
I worked in the industry for many years and was saying this in meetings. The NPCs were always seething at me to argue unnecessarily kek. I guess they wanted to justify their $80k plug-in Jeep parked out front.

>>519199052
Yes, that's true, but for the majority of people they don't drive enough during a day for that too matter very much. And they aren't really going to very remote places. If you are, you can obviously just not buy an EV. For the way the overwhelming majority of the population use their vehicle on a regular basis, they are pretty much a 1:1 replacement.

>>519199244
I don't disagree with alot of that but what motor is currently being made that is better than the Ford 6.8 and 7.3 gas burner right now?

>>519192960
they're not businessmen, they're democrat party stooges masquerading as businessmen in order to sabotage private industry to "prove" the government needs to step in and nationalize more industries. they are given guarantees of having government positions after the promised revolution if they play along

>>519199286
I think every EV owner regrets buying the dumb thing but they don't want to admit they were dumb enough to buy it so they cope by shilling for it.

>>519192765 (OP)
it's just a little fucky-wucky, the bribes... err... I mean... ESG funding artificially shoring up the bottom li- err, I mean, enabling sustainable growth were just too good

>>519199482
sounds about right, we live in a socialist prison

>>519199482
Yes. There have been suggestions to put moratoriums on these big soulless corpo-rat CEO types getting government jobs after leaving their corporations.

>>519199052
I don't have any considerations about charging either, but there's that first world qualifier again. Russians, Alaskans, and Africans would be better served by gasoline powered vehicles. Of course, one could make the argument that if you live in one of those areas, your focus should be less on what you drive and more on improving your living conditions. (i.e., by moving someplace else.)

>>519193142
Bullshit.
Ford was the ONLY automaker who never took a bailout.

>>519199661
I'd double the federal debt if it meant we could get GM to turn the clock back to year 1998 and continue where they left off.

>>519199395
No it isnt a 1:1 replacement because it doesnt cover all usage conditions a person might use the vehicle for, and it requires the user to change their patterns, home etc. I put gas in my car, I go places, I put more gas in the car etc. I dont think about when or where I will buy gas, or if I have to buy gas sooner because its cold, or if Im carrying cargo. Im not necessarily trashing EVs they have usefulness in certain situations. However, they are not currently suited to be a wholesale replacement for gas powered transportation, and pretending they are is just silly.

>>519193219

Somehow they get paid millions of dollars too.

>>519199830
Okay buddy.

>>519193439

About when feminism really started to enter the culture.

>>519193862

Sounds like bullying to me.

>>519199494
Kind of like Trump voters, yes?

>>519199830
>they have usefulness in certain situations
This
>When you own a house and have solar panels on your roof to charge the shit while your wfh

>>519193219
Stock buy backs.

>>519199398
Define better. I assume you mean for towing.

I lived in a farming town where 50% of the vehicles on the road are lifted trucks and the other 50% are clapped out Honda Civics. Lets be honest with eachother. Nobody tows shit. Every bed I look in? Hauling nothing but kids, some groceries, and 2 tons of air around. Anyone actually towing shit has a company name on the side of their truck.

>but muh trailer

You bought a $120k truck and a $200k trailer to "save money on hotels" and you only take it out 1-2 times a year cause something is always broken on that piece of shit. You could've bought a fucking AirBNB in Encinitas by now with all the money you wasted on it.

>>519192765 (OP)
>electricity is woke!
MIGA are fucking retards

>>519200005
>memeflaggot
>HURRFF ADURFF DRUMBLPF!!
Retard.

>>519192765 (OP)
>Woke mind virus
It's cute that you think megacorps consider anything but the bottom line. What are you, 15? The went all-in on EVs because the government was heavily subsidizing their production.

>>519200220
No one said that, retard. Are you capable of constructing an argument or are they just all strawmen?

i want a car that runs on used seed oil :)

>>519199939
Anon had a reasonable response and you respond with snark faggotry. Fuck you and reconsider your life you piece of shit nigger

>>519199128
The Japanese and European markets have got you covered , bruh. They make plenty of smaller affordable vehicles. A car is just a tool to get you from point a to point b. Sad that people still actually believe that a car defines who they are.

>>519193043
This. America (especially rural America) took a huge hit when light pickups stopped being an option.
Regular guys got priced out when everything became expensive monster trucks.

>>519200385
all you need is an old diesel mercedes

>>519200191
Better? I mean it's basically the only naturally aspirated v8 pushrod motor being made that doesnt have egr or active fuel management. It has cam timing which is not ideal but that aside, nothing else comes close.

Also as if your idiocy was apparent you assumed I drive a 120k truck... I drive a 97 z71 and a 76 custom deluxe you doink. However IF I was forced to buy a new truck today I'd go buy a 2023ish 250 with the 7.3. You coukd probabky get one under 30k miles for about 45k.

>>519200456
Does any european company (or japanese for that matter) make a naturally aspirated motor with no egr and no vvt that isnt dohc?

Seriously if they do I will consider it.

>>519200391
It's not a reasonable response. He literally said "they don't cover every possible thing you could do with a car". And he's right and I already granted him that in the previous post. But most people most times don't use their car in ways that an EV would pose a problem. They don't often take long road trips. They don't often pull something on a trailer. They just use it to get around and go stores and work and pick up their kids or whatever. And EVs work perfectly fine for this.

>>519199286
This is why everyone failed at EVs amd lost to Tesla.

Leadership is total shit. Zero risk taking. Stagnant. Never innovating. Just trying to desperately cling to whatever they have left. Just churn out the same bullshit every year. Outsource. Extract value. Short term gains. Half assed investments to shit your DEI hires up and attempt to sell carbon credits and get Biden subsidies.

They never believed in their own product. Its not hard to see why nobody else does either.

>>519200488
No one cares about the truck size. Small/large doesnt bother me either way. What bothers me is that all the motors are pieces of shit with turbos, dohc, egr, and vvt.

That is the primary issue not the size. A big truck doesnt bother me and I dont know why it would unless you had space concerns.. which if you are rural, you dont.

>>519199395
hybrids or nat-gas cars could have been a 1:1 replacement. instead they are pushing EV because it magically requires less oil. but still requires coal, which we have a lot of.

if they can clearly show that more EV use reduces our need for arab oil, then i would be on board. they would also need to make EVs more affordable, at a smaller form factor (perhaps even single passenger cars). i like the ZOOX design, it's efficient and doesn't waste space on driver. it's the true future. if you're gonna shill EVs they have to be autonomous (like the zoox and not like the waymo which wastes 1 passenger spot).

there should be at least 2 types of cities: smart city for the EV ecofags, and classic cities for those who want to drive regular cars and avoid smart-tech shit. the smart cities should get all the diversity.

>>519193219
It all started with Jack Welch

>>519192765 (OP)
Uhhhh people are buying up Chinese EV's? So whats wrong with US EV's?

>>519200718
Their goal is to take away your car, what don't you get?

>>519200718
last time i was in SF, on the highway i saw every car being driven by just 1 wagie. what a waste. we're literally living in the past. the entire car and our behaviour, society, needs to change drastically. there needs to be 1 passenger cars specific for 1 wagie who wants to drive alone. there needs to be a city only for young people, and a separate one for old folks. there should be a city only for minorities and those who want to live with them, since we can't seem to get rid of them. etc. etc.

imagine a whole Retro city for ppl who love retro stuff, and a "high-tech" smart city for those who are into that, complete with all the jewishness. that's how we solve current problems, more segregation. the richest whites and asians already do it and it's happening organically, but slowly. the cleanest areas in LA are rich areas with just whites and striver asians. if there's an indian, he is clean and behaves. same goes with blacks.

turns out that when you have a bunch of poor minorities together they shit up the place. let them live together.

>>519193352
I’ve always liked

Poor
old
nigger
Thinks
It’s
A
Cadillac

>>519192765 (OP)
Mercedes is having civil war over it too, saying that the EV transition is killing their business.
Only top brass insists. You can guess (((why))).

>>519200264
Outside your little vacuum, most of the world is working towards electric, solar assisted, and hydrogen powered vehicles. The race to move on beyond oil is on. Unless we can follow in the same vein, we can count on the death of our export market. Sales of hybrid vehicles and EV’s have exceeded 50% in many foreign markets throughout Europe and East Asia.

How will the batteries of millions of EVs be recycled?
inb4
>Muh if enough batteries are for recycling it will be profitable
Kek

>>519192909
Oh you cyli guy

>>519200233
Reality, son. Get used to it.

>>519200718
>hybrids or nat-gas cars could have been a 1;1 replacement
Natural gas gets worse fuel economy, which is whatever. It's very plentiful here in America, so maybe it's worth it.

As for hybrids, why don't you look up a GOVERNMENT program from the 1990s called the Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles, or PNGV. Take a look at what they were doing and who wanted it gone.

>>519200903
i get that, i live in CA where our gov wants to ban gas cars. i'm saying they can just build a new city for those want to be EV driving smart-gridcucks. instead they keep wasting millions and billions on stupid shit. we have not built any new cities or even highways in the USA since the 70s.

>>519200521
>no egr

Good luck getting that smogged. I'd still be driving my Golf TDI if it was that easy. Then again diesel is like $6/gallon here now.

>>519196298
I am the end user so I care a lot about what my experience as the end user is like

>>519193219
When entities like BlackRock/Vanguard and the WEF used behind-the-curtain politicking in boards of directors to install controlled agents there, and eventually use the agents to install a tightly controlled CEO.
Bear in mind that a CEO's job is just to execute decisions the board approves. You can change the officer, it won't change company policy per say.

>>519201147
And the question is not even cities or highways but power plants >>519197153
They don't build them, so at the point where all cars are replaced with EVs and you don't have a house with solar on the roof to charge it, there simply won't be any energy left for that

>>519200654
why should I have to modify my house or my fueling behavior so that an EV can work "perfectly fine" when there is a very functional system already in place? I personally think hybrids make the most sense becuase you get enough EV range to be useful, but anytime you need more it just uses gas. It also uses far less battery material etc. I also think its crazy that they arent turning vehicles into min-locomotives and decoupling the gas engine from the wheels. Doing that means the gas/diesel engine can run at its maximum optimization, but will also run as long as there is fuel. This is something the railroad figured out 76 years ago

>>519198934
Some people in their independent media product called leftism a mind virus back in 2020, transmuting the covid scam in the process.
But on 4chan it's been called a mental illness and brain disease since 2014 at the latest. Gamergate brought a lot of eyes on lefties as a component of the Jewish question, so the connections were easily made and the memes were easily distributed.

>>519192960
/Thread

>>519201005
I have considered these issues deeply. Here is the conclusion I arrived at:
>1. City people should be banned from owning automobiles. They have no need for them, and their work in HR departments and marketing teams doesnt require a vehicle. Their vehicles should all be confiscated and the funds therefrom should be allocated to purchasing every rural retard with over 250 acres a new truck and skid steer.
>2. City people do not need to eat meat. They should be banned from eating all meat products. Their lifestyles do not demand significant nourishment.. and given the carbon footprint of meat production the meat should be allocated- even subsidized- for the rural retards. Bug derived products can be reserved for the city people.
>3. All attractive 18-30 year old city women with sizable breasts should be mandated to spend two years on the farm of a rural retards in order to bear extra children to help facilitate population growth in families engaged in productive enterprises.

>>519201219
I dont have any inspections here. I replaced cats on my OBS a few years ago and came very close to ditching the cats and would have if it hadn't been for concerns over the increased flow fucking up the upstream O2 sensor.

>>519201128
MPG or fuel econ isn't a big deal if we have a lot of it, like you said, nat gas is plentiful to the point where it's burnt off or used to mine crypto. what we have is false scarcity due to the monopolies. as someone else pointed out, cars can run on used veg oil. so what we perceive is due to artificial scarcity and gov taxes, inefficiency. a gallon of gas in CA costs more due to high taxes for example.

in general the problem is overpopulation and high % of useless eaters (mostly non-whites and also liberal whites, the kind who spend all day and night protesting outside of ICE buildings). if gas were cheaper, there'd be more cars on the roads, which are already crumbling, and more traffic, which is already bad.

no real progress can be made until we reduce the pop or raise the % of useful ppl (who can help build new cities, new houses, new roads, etc.).

new tech doesn't really solve much, if the population is fucked by nigs, jeets, browns. it's all just COPE. look at vegas, they have self-driving ZOOX cars but it's limited in use and traffic is still bad.

>lets just go to mars!!!
that's also cope. the quiet part not being said is that earth is overrun with idiots.

There's the term
>Killer app
Where a new tech makes old tech obsolete
The car was the killer-app for the horse
The Guttenberg press was the killer-app for book-writers
The Computer was the killer-app for a lot of things but also typewriters
An EV is no killer-app, it makes everything worse, more expensive and also more damaging to the env if you consider lithium and rare metals mining and of course recycling.

>>519194579
Fucking based motherfucker (or nofucker).

>>519201045
You could google it rather than running around in circles with your hands in the air screaming “oh noes”.

The estimate is that by 2040, 50% of the material required to construct a new battery will come from recycled material from recycled batteries. Automation and technology could push this number higher.

Ford sucked long before EVs. If you're not in Toyota you're retarded

>>519201680
>dohc
>turbos
>egr
>vvt
>smol displacement

The Toyota meme died years ago.

>>519201611
>estimate
That's where your argumentation is retarded
I promise they're gonna burn on African waste dumps because recycling will be too expensive.
Also fuck EVs, the switch won't happen, i rather burn everything to the ground
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ3l8AAM4O8

>>519201589
>MPG or fuel econ isn't a big deal if we have a lot of it, like you said
Well, I'm not sure I would say it isn't a big deal. As a consumer who cannot produce the product on my own, I would prefer to have the ability to consume less of it. Producers who worry about underconsumption will obviously have the opposite view, and they have capital to back them. So who wins/loses here?

>>519201366
all reasonable and all America First. cityfags would agree and want all of that. they should also get all the diversity which is somewhat happening, except for cases when african migrants are sent to the middle of idaho by obama.
too bad we have limpdick Israel First "politicians" aka puppets.

EV was absolutely forced the the government and STATES
However the automakers did fall for the internet hype that turned out to not be real. Anyway the mandates are gone

>>519201005
I'd be happy to design a badass easy to build cheap to run single-seater commutemobile.
Besides not having the resources to go do it, there are a few little problems.
People buy big cars because they're scared of car crashes and don't trust other people to drive safely, intelligently, or well.
They also buy big cars because being such a big expense with credit monthlies and the usual Jewish payment plans and everything, the typical consumer can only realistically afford 1 car that has to do everything, and maybe a work vehicle next to it.
Most traffic is for work, and if those need load space they're also gonna have 4-5 seats because it saves a little bit of money to mass produce a single configuration.
Then the rest of traffic is full of those same cars for the same reason, cost.
Bean counters decide how your business is operated. If you don't take the cost saving measure, shareholders sue you for doing a bad job.

So realistically, you'd need a private company that can produce on the scale of Ford and GM, that isn't run by bean counters, and a market that's willing to spend only 20% of the price on a car 80% less practical and 90% less safe in a world where you can't trust people to drive straight on the famous arrow-straight desert road.
I will happily slap a 2L supercharged petrol V8 with 200hp in a single-seater with a 40L boot and a kerb weight of 1000lbs, make it look like a McLaren F1 and sell it for $18000 new.
Will people buy it? You might. Most won't. "I can get a pickup for $36000 and do work with it, I can't do work with that toy."

>>519194579
walkable cities are efficient as long as it's:
>relatively small and europeeeean-style
>only whites
>only young people

look at all these new BILLIONAIRES and not a single one can create even a new disneyland style place where people can walk, eat, relax, and fuck. at best they have burning man (lulz), a dusty orgy in the desert.

>>519201499
I did the spark plug trick on mine. Cats were fucking dead and I couldn't get it smogged. Ran rough for a minute but computer eventually compensated.

Backblow is hard though. At that point you might as well do the intake too. Not sure why engines need so much back pressure but they kinda run like shit without it if you don't tune it.

>>519195090
>somewhat sporty
Me and the people i've talked to have soured even on that. We want enough power so mountains don't become embarassing, you can keep up with highway traffic at reasonable rpm, carrying a full load, maybe hauling a small trailer at 60mph (because the law limits you to that while pulling anything) is tolerable etc. But we're tired of the kind of faux-sporty econobox that can't actually outrun anything, where the "sporty" part boils down to unnecessarily harsh suspensions that feel cool during your 15 minute test drive before signing the lease but turn into a literal pain in the ass the one time a month you drive for a few hours straight. The French had the right idea. Their old econoboxes are soft sprung and really comfy even if they're austere and have been like that since the 2CV and R4. Idk maybe burgers are allergic to this but they've been a smashing success just about everywhere else. Of course Germans and some of the Japs have been trying to convince us for the last 1/4 century that the one deadly sin a car may never commit is listing even a little bit in a corner because they used to live in a world where mere seconds after a pothole was spotted, a special forces team was dispatched to immediately fill in the terrorist. But let's be real, where we're going, roads will be shit because the economy sucks and no one can be bothered to keep that autism up so we're all better off with a more compliant ride heading into rough seas for the west and maybe the world until at least mid century.

>>519193946
Yes and no
Large loans given have to be paid back
But massive fines taken too

>>519201803
Politicians can never help you. However if the two party conflict becomes dysfunctional enough and some other critical dominos fall, the state could lose control.

>>519195090
>Don’t expect them to go much above 65mph
They could go fast enough to be pressed into highway service if they were light enough. Trabant 2.0, plastic body designed to protect from wind and weather and nothing else. Of course, if you rear end a truck fucking around on your phone or a high nigger t-bones you at the intersection, you are dead. It's all a value judgement in what amounts to a rock paper scissors game. Except you're not allowed to decide to the detriment of safety so all efficient cars will be too heavy, hence slow. Kill behead and roundhouse Karens and insurance lobbyists and maybe that changes.

>>519195968
They are not
Not even close
China has massive subsidies at every level
Euros are just getting fucked

>>519201289
Most of the the pushback on EVs is from the misconception that Biden had mandated a transition of gas to EV. Coupled with the start up cost of ownership, this goal seemed both an edict and imposition on drivers of gas vehicles. The initial goal should have been a transition towards hybrids with incentives for those willing to go full EV.

The other issue was price. There were no options at a reasonable entry level price. You introduced an electric model below $20k and you might have seen a different future for the EV.

>>519201986
I think the 350vortec would be ok with the increased flow honestly even with the stock headers. My fear is that if the flow was too high, the upstream sensors would get bad readings and screw up the trims. I'm sure a tune would sort it out but at that point it made more sense to just put new cats on.

>>519201979
that's why everything has to be segmented, single-passenger cars in their own lane with other small cars. right now at least in the USA everything is mixed so yes, mutts buy big SUVs to feel safe against other big cars and trucks, as well as against actual 18-wheeler trucks. it's all FUCKED. a total mess.

>but who will buy this??
motorcycle chads accept the risk and they get from point a to b quickly and efficiently.

also, someone driving a small car too fast can die or cause an accident just as badly. recent tesla fatalities being a clear example.

>>519197891
Nigger we where and are making money buying oil and selling refined products
The oil meme needs to end

>>519198563
Kill yourself you smug faggot

>>519201979
The cuck box you dream about already exists.
Go get one
Imagine driving around in this shit

>>519192765 (OP)
ford literally has cross licensing with toyota hybrid drivetrain systems with regenerative braking, the ones they use in the prius that has been refined by japanese people for years and years and are legendary for lasting 300k-400k miles without major issues. they should be leaning into hybrids not retard EVs with massive heavy battery that chains you to the electric grid and goes bad after a few years. god EVs are so fucking gay compared to hybrids. you can get 600+ miles on a tank of gas with a hybrid. what do EVs get on a full charge, 200 miles?

>>519201289
You don’t have to modify your home any differently than you would if you wanted a hot tub installation.

>Didn't listen to their customers
The government was a bigger concern for basically every car manufacturer, and they were paying out literally 10's of thousands in subsidies and tax credits for a product nobody wanted.
>OOPSY POOPSY YOUR CUSTOMERS!
If you see the government trying to ban the vehicles you produce while also subsidizing electric ones to the tune of literally 10,000 dollars each of them you start to shift - basically the government could kill or save your business overnight by a couple regulations that would take you a decade to fight in court, and there's no guarantee we'd get another Trump who actually wants to save our car manufacturing industry.

>>519202255
nice cherrypick. box design no longer needed in our future.

>>519201750
>turbos
>smol displacement
Kek thats why my mom got the 2021 lexus rx350, cuz they stopped making v6's after that year and my mom doesn't want a 4 cylinder turbo or hybrid that they all are now

>>519192765 (OP)
you cant ask people to wait 30 to 5 hours to fill up the tank retard. what were you thinking, yea you didnt think at all because theres always someone else doing it for you trust fund morons and when this someones tips are garbage, all you have is garbage. thats tough luck is it not.

>>519200488

this. i havent seen a capable work truck for sale in over 20 years. they're all retarded all crawlers or Turd-350 Platinums with low-profile tires and suspensions that melt when they even sniff a pothole.

>>519201366
Well, country folk aren’t really people and make up only the tiniest amount of the population so they need to sit back and wit yapping while the adults are talking.

Yeah, you sound that stupid.

>>519202427
Your picrel won't get an approval bc of pedestrian safety.
If you drive into a person with it their legs get cut off

>>519201040
>hydrogen
lol
lmao

>>519202244
Who is "we"? Unless I own specific stocks or work in the industry, oil companies may as well be a foreign nation. I do not get any pricing benefits in the US -- I pay global market rates. Competition seems to be the buzzword until it reaches the consumer, then we need to scream about "government regulations". It's funny I don't see that crowd getting out their pitchforks for the ~10% tax rate oil companies pay.

>>519199199
That's a fiat, dale

>>519193466
winrar

>>519192765 (OP)
MBAs were a mistake

>>519196298
They cost more to produce, are harder to get maintenance on (ICE engines have a culture going back 100 years on them, so literally any random mexican can fix it for you), get 10's of thousands in subsidies, and do not work as well in cold weather - so if you're in a northern state and it gets cold you could just be out of luck.
>EV's existing
The problem was they were trying to regulate ICE's out of existence when we have the existing infrastructure already there to support them, and they've been making taxpayers pay for other people's cars - people who buy EV's already have higher income than the average person, but they're also receiving tax benefits to buy a luxury EV.

>>519199395
Nigga learn to read

>>519202597
Outside of the drivetrain, the parts are all pretty much the same. And the drive train has fewer parts and is more durable.

>>519202597
>people who buy EV's
Are mostly women and their cucks.
See Covid. Women were the first lined up for the vaxx because of over-adjustment
Fuck women

>>519198443
Is this bait
Look up how fucked up there water is from reckless refining methodes

>>519199052
hybrids are superior. toyota has proven this. there's a reason nearly all taxi or uber drivers use a toyota hybrid like the prius. the last year the xl chungus prius was made was in 2017. sure there's a gas engine that needs spark plugs and oil changes, but there's no CVT to brick the car at 80k miles like my friend's 2017 nissan

Do you guys think people would be interested in cheaper cars?
Like, most normal people right now just want a grocery getter for their commute. A two door, four seater with no radio, no gps, no screen of any kind, hybrid engine that takes cheaper gas when not in electric mode, designed to go about 80-100 tops to be highway legal, the most technology in it being a smartphone holder so you can use it for gps, dash cam and music while you charge it (and a rear parking camera, those are good, not gonna lie). If one can make a car like that under 20, maybe 15 grand I think it would take off.

>>519202668
No argument presented, just made up things in your head.
We have people who've worked on ICE's all their life here. Making up things doesn't stop this from being true.

>>519193946
The mustang abortion shouldve been slapped down in a board roomthe moment it was suggested. No, lets not take one of our most valuable name plates and wager it on a thing that is entirely unlike what that nameplate typically stands for. Especially considering Ford owns the rights to "model E."
The f150 lightning makes more sense. The old one was a fast-in-a-straight-line f150, and the new one is too. Using the word "lightning" for an electrically powered device makes sense. You can get a supercharged v8 in an f150 today, but it's paired with the off-road oriented suspension rather than street and called the raptor R.

>>519195090
>>519202068
Already a thing.

>>519202226
Cars like pic related have been available in the States for a long ass time.
They just don't sell well.

I suppose part of the reason is it makes the driver feel poor.
European and Japanese concepts of luxury are very similar, you keep the same space and uprate the material used, for example a dashboard made of solid mahogany with korina wood accents and chrome dials, versus cheap plastic and digital screens. Seats that massage you with 7 independent controls for how that's done. A V8 engine that turns 6 of the cylinders off so the car's quiet when you're cruising, but activates them as soon as you put your foot down for maximum power.
The famous "Power Reserve" on Rolls-Royces. "It's there for your convenience", rather than "A MILLION REVS TO GO SIR, WOOOOOO"

But the American concept of luxury?
Ever since the Duesenberg town cars that seems to be sheer size.
A bigger car costs more money, so psychologically a smaller car must be for poor people.
The Chrysler 300C, Lincoln Continental, the Buicks of their day, even the Mustang which was a fucking pony in terms of scale is a big car.
Too old? The F-150 used to be a decent size for its utility. How big are they now? Bit tall, bit wide, the bodywork is all chunky and shit, makes it look bigger than the footprint would suggest but that is bigger than the old pickups were too.
Cadillac Escalade, remember? The niggermobile? Huge obese piece of shit that handled like a house and accelerates like a boat, but look at that size, look at the aggression factor, it looks like a massive prison rapist, so hundreds of thousands of niggers and single women bought that absolute atrocity of engineering.
Because a bigger car is a more luxurious car, in the United States.

Motorcycle chads know better and so do a lot of other guys.
God bless them.
Don't mind pic related's name btw they have manual trannies too.

>>519193219
the CEO of my workplace (manufacturing and science company) is a literal faggot who cares more about promoting niggerdom and faggotry than running a profitable company. our stock is down ~80 percent since I've started here. he's grooming an HR nigger (was previous head of HR) to be next CEO who will run the company to the ground. board of directors enables this garbage

>>519195801
>They make sense if every gas station that currently exists offer EV charging.
Absolutely retarded. It takes 30 minutes to charge a BEV. It takes like 2 minutes to fill up a fuel tank. To accommodate similsr throughput, every gas stations would have to be as large as Walmart parking lots with enough stations for people to hang around to charge their cars for 30 minutes before setting off. Otherwise you would have fuck long lines. And a Costco gas station with charging stations, you would be there all day waiting.

>>519202767
It doesn't matter what people want. Capital wants $50k cars, so that's what you're getting.

>>519202039
we're getting close
>government shutdown continues
haha

>>519202520
jokes on you, pic was NOT rel. anyway, i believe that aptera company is still going. unfortunately they are EV.

>>519202767
you want to buy a Dacia?

>>519192765 (OP)
>woke mind virus
Conservatives deserve to lose always. Thankfully they always do lose.

>>519202782
>>519202668
And I guess you just get an anecdote, since no arguments are ever presented.
Hybrid vehicles have been on the roads for decades now and are touted as being "cheaper" and everything, but a great amount of them never get proper maintenance because there's no one to do it at a decent price.

Because of this many hybrids you see on the road have only the ICE working, and none of the electric shit. The computers in them constantly scream and give off warnings, and the drivers just keep the ICE up and running because it's not feasible to do all the electric shit. Now the electric shit is just in the car adding weight and doing nothing.
This is the reality of EV's. We have no EV culture. We have words from politicians, that's about all.

>>519202587
MBAs just apply analytical tools to management decisions. What he doesn't want to say is that the EV push made sense if the gubmint gibs train kept rolling, but since it is slowing down and EVs have to stand on their own merits, they can't. Basically the company bet billions that trump would either not win or flip-flop on his issue, and they got burned. Because he won and held the line. Mostly.

>>519202869
Also electricity prices are all ready be raped by AI. Convert every ICEV to a BEV and get ready to weep at electricity prices then.

>>519193043
They will eventually "listen" and make a more affordable no frills light truck. But it will still cost 30k. Watch.

>>519193946
>lightning

Yeah, lightning series pickups were bad ass vehicles. They shit and git like a muscle car but still have the utility and towing abilities of a regular pickup.

The (((electric))) version is a joke in comparison. Can’t tow anything, no serious power or speed like the old versions. Just another name they slapped on a product to feed upon the reputation of their past…

>>519202453
That’s the real problem. Catering to a market of “urban cowboys” with money rather than a working man’s market seeking a quality tool to get the job done.

Back in the 70’s and 80’s, trucks were really basic. Radios and powered anything were options. They weren’t built for comfort so much as utility and were generally 20-30% cheaper than cars. I had actually considered the purchase of a small truck back then. The used F100’s were a dime a dozen but I was considering a new Ford Courier at the time. Family thought I was crazy wanting to buy a work vehicle instead of an actual car. Was gifted an old VW until I found an older Chrysler Newport with a 383 engine and all the bells and whistles for $900.

>>519203086
>Electricity prices get raped by AI
Yup, up 12% this year alone.

>>519203126
Slate initial reports was $20k but they have since then claimed under $30k

>>519202255
I was thinking more along the lines of this, Hans.
The DeLorean element on the boot is so Americans will buy it thinking it's nostalgic.

>>519193043
I'd be down for a new Tacoma if they were 20k starting.
Not spending 50k for a fucking off road model, shit should be 35k or 40k

>>519202427
Jesus fucking Christ
Not far off

>>519203126
I don't care about the "frills" so much or the size of the truck.

I care about the motor. The repairability, the simplicity, and the power

>>519203086
quit spreading misinformation and conspiracies goy

>>519193043
If anything, they will be even more expensive and even shittier now

>>519202947
I have a Dacia. It has a screen.

>>519203126
Problem with all prices nowadays is simply inflation, see picrel. I guess they even can't make cheap cars anymore because of the fact and also regulations to no end
>Muh pedestrian safety
>Muh e-call
>Muh blackbox
>Muh sign detection and endless beeping if you're 1 over speed limit
>Muh lane assist
The list goes on and on.
Another reason is the kike wants you to not have fun or any escape to get you ready for war
>>519203340
Well see >>519202818
or just get a Toyota Yaris GR
But 10/10 for effort, also nice rims

>>519202869
You can “fill up” nightly for most of your local driving. Long distance, you take 30 mins out of your life to eat a meal or stretch your legs.
Realistically, most families have two or more vehicles. Use your EV for local runs and charge at home, use the hybrid for longer trips. Problem solved. If you’re single and mostly stay local , an EV makes perfect sense. If you’re on the highway a lot, buy a hybrid instead. If you’re taking the rare trip and the EV might not fit in your plan, rent a hybrid.

It’s not insurmountable.

>>519203657
you need the "taxi" version, I forget what they call it

Most people are stupid. They think screens and seat warmers, size of the truck etc. are the problem and the real problem is the egr, vvt, turbos etc.

>>519192765 (OP)
>Just plug it in overnight bruh!
Yeah lemme run an extension cord out the window of my apartment. Oh wait! It needs to be a 220 outlet like your air conditioner! Ooops! Also unlike an air conditioner which cycles and it only running 1/3 of the time, this draws power all night.
>Just run three air conditoners worth of power all night!
It's almost free!

>>519193219
Read atlas shrugged it will clear you up to where we are and where we are heading. Not saying it is a good book just pretty prophetic.

>>519203695
Yaris GR is badass but not available in the United States.

>>519203837
The taxi version was to be Teslas entry level vehicle.

>>519192765 (OP)
They were forced to produce EV's by the government and ESG funds. I know enough people in the business to know that every single one of them knew they were throwing money away. This is what happens when the government has a gun to your head and chooses winners and losers. Planned economies are shit because they ignore demand.

>>519201984
I actually live in a "walkable city" and it fucking blows, you got these zoomers (even white ones) who will zoom past you on their electric bikes at 30km/h right in the middle of the crowded shopping district.
Wherever you go there's trash on the streets. You go to the library and people are openly talking like it's just another hangout spot.
You go to a store and perishable goods are put in the wrong place or opened and put back, or just thrown on the floor. You go to a restaurant and pay $25+tip for a mediocre meal for one.

It's not about cars, or infrastructure, or architecture. It's about people, and how they cannot behave themselves and constantly cause trouble for others.
I don't need cities without cars, I need cities without societal-level moral decay.

>>519203801
Read
>>519204292
Also there's the problem where unlike gasoline which is a pretty proven safe way to store a tremendous amount of energy, an EV battery has the bad habit of erupting in unquenchable nuclear hellfire. Even if you own a house so you actually CAN charge your EV at home, would you bet your house that the battery won't burn your house down? What about if you live in Michigan where it snows and gets really cold, so your battery loses almost half of its effectiveness? What if you live in an area with flooding? Look on youtube for videos of Tesla's being bricked in Texas because they drove through a fucking puddle. Fuck off with your giant toy cars.

>>519204292
You sound the kind of guy that has a million excuses why you can’t do things rather than figuring out ways you can. Fine. Don’t buy an EV if it’s too much of a hassle. Problem solved.

>>519201984
Something like the villages is the ideal white community, not counting how they're all boomers
>Kick out anyone who causes problems with HOA's
>Paths for golf carts so you can cart around instead of using real roads
>Constant events going on
>Neighbors all know each other from going to said events
>No money? You're gone, nigger. You have to pay for your own shit.
We literally just need SOME kind of way to exclude shit people and it solves all issues, the cities even become walkable because non-shit people want to be able to ride their golf cart to the bar.

>>519193043
That's illegal thank king nigger Obama
Cafe standards have devastated automobiles in America

>>519204758
Or not. Both my step mom and kid has driven EV’s for years. There’s a learning curve in your schedule initially but neither one seem to be having any issues and will most likely buy an EV in the future.

>>519204917
Pretty sure protectionists and lobbyists are behind this.

>>519192765 (OP)
they also fired all their american engineers and replaced them with mexicans. no joke. its why they have more than 100 recalls this year which is insane and many times higher than any other car maker.

The Mustang E is ugly as fuck as does not deserve that name.

>>519205218
Euro 1-6 is worse than CAFE

>>519204831
I don't live in California, so yes I have the luxury of doing that. I will also continue to warn people about how unsafe EVs are and how they are an inferior product that lacks the infrastructure and standardization of an internal combustion vehicle.

You sound the kind of guy who has a million excuses why your shitty globalist control grid is so heckin' based bruh. Show flag you ESL faggot.

>>519192765 (OP)
In the same way there is no such thing as plant milk, there is no such thing as electric car. The being of the car is its engine; when you abstract it to mere power from a motor, there is nothing to drive.

>>519192765 (OP)
Ford niggers get the rope.

>>519193637
Well, it also destroyed the brand. 5 years ago, Mustangs were fat and away the #1 selling muscle car. Then Ford expanded the Mustang line to include...an electric station wagon for girlboss moms. The result? Mustang sales have dropped 60% since the brand is no longer cool and masculine.

>>519205088
Or I can skip the learning curve and just use gasoline literally any time I want. Also sorry about your mom.

>>519193219
when they started being hired from hedge funds instead of the actual industries they lead

>>519195090
We don't need Japanese kei cars, we just need the same regular cheap small cars they sold 5 years ago. They're all fucking gone. Ford Fiesta, Chevy Sonic, Honda Fit, all discontinued and shut down. Ford even had the gall to "revive" the Ford Ranger and ended up making it bigger and heavier than an F150 used to be. It's out of control.

>>519199128
>You mean women want this?
Women universally prefer huge SUVs and urban assault vehicles. It makes them feel safer. The only ones you see arguing for small efficient sporty cars are men who don't get emotionally freaked out from the prospect of passing a semi-truck on the highway.

There is nothing wrong with EVs
If anything they are the white mans car, you need to own a house and a garage. Once you have one you never need to risk stepping foot in a nigger infested gas station again.
If you actually have to drive long distances daily I get not wanting one but I think the thing that triggers most macho men is that an electric golf cart would be fine for 99% of all their trips and daily commute. But they have to go into jew debt for a 100k POS truck made in mexico to "own the libs". Truck fags need more gender validation then a fucking tranny that just cut his cock off.

>>519204917
We do have the new Maverick at least. It's barely bigger than the old rangers and S10's but the biggest problem is that Ford knows the people buying trucks aren't using it for actual work so ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING is a crew cab. So you get a bed that you can hardly use because Ford refuses to release just a regular cab model with an actually usable bed.
My guess is they don't want to cannibalize f150 sales or they've just designated the market for an actual small truck to be too small to actually go to market with.

>>519204758
>Fuck off with your giant toy cars
This will pretty much be my opinion on electric cars until I die probably, I could see ebikes, I could see golf carts, if you want efficiency having a little electric motor doing the thing without a giant nuclear battery isn't bad, they're nice and quiet and easy to take care of.
There's no need for them to try to make electric SUV's. And I'd feel much better about electric bikes / golf cars being standard on the road if it was also standard that the batteries were charged in flame-proof boxes, and stored in there when the bike is put away, so you don't just have houses / barns burning down.

People really do not realize how dangerous batteries are, even phone batteries can burn down houses if you're particularly unlucky through literally no fault of your own. Now make that battery 20x bigger for an ebike, and you're talking about a massive amount of energy. It's amazing fire-retardant boxes for storing and charging big batteries aren't common already, but they'd be so cheap to make.

>>519206279
Brother the EVs they're selling ARE the $100k trucks. Nobody wants this shit. "The libs" don't want them because they're fuckhuge trucks. "The chuds" don't want them because they're EVs.

>>519206279
the only 100k trucks i am aware of are EV "trucks"

>>519193293
two of his son are troons
you shouldnt take jewish people seriously

>>519192765 (OP)
i will never buy, or drive an ev

>>519206470
i heard about a guy who tried to tow his boat with an ev truck, it made it 50miles

>>519206279
>>519206470
>>519206591
This
And if they're not trucks they are SUVs driven by soccer moms

>>519206470
>>519206591
Dont pretend gas trucks are affordable by comparison and I never mentioned EV trucks at all, its a mostly stupid idea outside of local delivery services with known daily routes.
your basest of base F150s are around 45k and good luck finding one in that configuration at MSRP, it all goes up from there. Plus they are immediately lifting the truck and putting worse rims on it like half of all the trucks I see on the road near me. Is there any practical reason to life a truck that does only road driving? No it just makes it harder to access the bed, the thing that makes the truck useful in the first place. Its tranny level of gender identify projection.

>>519206763
https://moneywise.com/investing/stocks/this-truck-cant-do-normal-truck-things-youtube-star-says-towing-with-fords-new-electric-pickup

>>519194306
>spy microphone
Take the fuse out. Your bluetooth will stop working for calls but is a small price to pay.

>>519206326
Its ok if you want a small truck, but why would you buy something with a 2.0L turbocharged ecoboost vvt hunk of dohc junk? Lol. A motor doesnt have to be giant and make a ton of torque (that is preferable) but it should at least he naturally aspirated at a bare minimum.

Youre so hung up on the size instead of having a decent motor.

>>519206470
>>519206789
IDK, I really like the designs of these somewhat, it reminds me of a tank or something. They look like they'd be perfect for running over innocent bystanders.

>>519206828
You could get a 2023 f250 with the 7.3 gas burner under 30k miles for about 40 to 45ish.

>>519196233
Climate change is another prong of the wider scope of Zionism. Controlling and limiting the motive power of the world. The long term picture doesn't even include the Middle Eastern sandpit.

>>519207150
Still insane to pay new truck MSRP for a used made in mexico POS that gets maybe 15 MPG if you drive it like a baby with no load.
You could almost get two new corollas for that price
just rent the truck from home depot for 20bux the two times a year you need to haul something
I understand some people actually need to tow and haul but that is probably like 1/10 actual truck daily drivers.

>>519192765 (OP)
No shit. They saw all the government subsidies and wanted to cash in. They are still betting on the US Government forcing EVs down our throats. Some free market we have.

>>519207068
>Its ok if you want a small truck, but why would you buy something with a 2.0L turbocharged ecoboost vvt hunk of dohc junk?
A modern day 2.0 4 cylinder is fine compared to a V6 from 20 years ago in other smaller trucks back then. The only issues I've really heard about were the hybrid ones, but I'd never get a hybrid truck. I'd unironically buy a maverick in a heartbeat if they just released a standard can with a bench seat instead of it being an SUV with a baby bed.

>>519195090
>Where the car industry failed in America: they try to tell us what we want rather than focus on customer needs
exactly what the phrase "the customer is always right" actually means
it's not the customer's fault you're selling trash that no one wants

>>519192960
He knows exactly how business works. Do as the government asks and get special protections and free money. Who needs customers when they government can steal peoples many and hand it out? Why court them when the government can mandate they buy your products?

>>519207400
Look I have a squarebody custom deluxe, an OBS, and two tractors. I'm not in the market for a new truck right now but the "100k" thing is wrong, you could get a truck for 40k that's all I'm saying.

If you dont need a truck why are you talking about trucks? Also if you can assume 90% of truck owners arent using then all it means is that you are outing yourself as a suburbanite.

>>519207617
They still believe in "the customer is always right". It's just that you're confused. YOU aren't the customer. The shareholders and board of directors are the customers.

>>519207538
I really don't care about these bells and whistles one way or another. I'd never buy or not buy a truck because it didn't have a bench seat (even though all mine do.)

What I'm saying is that what's under the hood matters the most. If you can't understand why dohc, turbos, vvt etc. is bad you have no business buying a vehicle.

>>519207724
Sure 100k was a hyperbole but the sky is the limit on trim options these days and I absolutely see people stretching payments to own one, not exclusively a truck issue but they are happy to push that lifestyle on people and it seems to work.
I am not a suburbanite, I see these people driving them alone unloaded 99% of the time.
You can very easily tell a lifestyle truck from a working truck by looking at it for 5 seconds and most of the trucks I see on the road around me are the former.
I said I have nothing against people who need and use a vehicle, my problem is the "gender projection" aspect of truck ownership where these guys feel the need to be seen in a truck to validate their gender identity much like how a man goes outside in a dress for the attention.

>>519207708
The government doesn't steal your money and hand it out. Governments create money every time they spend -- they spend their money unit into existence. You don't have money until they spent it into existence at origin at some point.

>>519207866
>I'd never not buy a truck if it didn't have a bench
>Oh but by the way all my trucks have a bench
Wow, it's almost like a bench in a standard cab with a big bed is better than one with no bed space and a giant interior? That's exactly what I'm saying you retard.
>New things are bad
Okay grandpa.

>>519208094
So I’m not getting taxed this year? Sounds great. Either way quantitative easing is just another a form of taxation, the effect is the same

>>519208220
Look you idiot, what I'm saying is I would take a truck with a naturally aspirated pushrod v8 over one with a shit motor and a bench seat and a few more feet of bed space. This shouldn't have to be explained.

That was the original point, these things you are concerned about are not the primary issue

>>519207963
I really don't care if someone has a truck or not. I mean I don't live in the suburbs so it is impossible to say who around me needs one or not. I mean basically if you own more than 50 acres you most likely need a truck and there is no way for me to know for sure what people are doing with them or not doing ultimately. There are all sorts of reasons to have one. Ranging from heavy use to light use it doesnt keep me up at night knowing that someone uses theirs more than someone else.

Fuck sometimes I wish I used my primary one LESS so it would get less wear.

>>519192909
Why does the license plate say "fat" (the noun not the adjective) in Russian?

>>519200755
I read some of his book. He literally mentions how HR is the most important part of a business.

>>519196233
>Climate change is just a way to get people to virtue signal
It's a way to get people to submit to the one world government. Basically, you will either let the WEF rule the world or they will import 1 billion "climate refugee" jeets and another billion africans into our countries. That's sort of the broad strokes.

>>519192765 (OP)
>Ford CEO month ago: Ford CEO and CFO Left Shocked After Chinese EV Test Drive
>Ford CEO now: We should have listened to out customers and continue making cars with gas engine!
Kek. The truth is that EVs are pretty popular. Chinese EVs that is. To the point when both EU and US basically banned their citizens from buying them.

>>519195801

You just described the Smart fortwo car, which already exists.

>>519202818
I think it's also just the abundance of space. In Europe there's a natural limit on vehicle size, the Standard European Parking Space (TM). Ever drove a burger truck or one of those anachronism-on-wheels sedans they built in the 80s and into the early 90s that felt like time had stopped in 1976? I have. And you know the biggest problem? Not that they reject the very concept of fuel economy. Not that taxes are designed to punish you for daring to give in to your inner 12yo and buy one of those obnoxiously ostentatious cars from the Americsn movies you grew up with. Not that streets are too narrow to drive, most aren't. It's that once you reach your destination you can turn around and go home. You don't fit any parking space. In the countryside you can just violate all laws and park whereever, not even the police cares, space is abundant. But in cities? You're fucked. I had a 1991 Cadillac Brougham for 1 year and it was just impossible to live with for that reason. Anything wider than 1,90 or longer than 5 meters is effectively useless here. Americans don't have that issue, they have lots of space, their urban infrastructure reflects that, to the dismay of car-haters. But ours doesn't.

>>519199661

Ford didnt take a bailout back in the day because they borrowed from their global division.

>>519209415
Chinese EVs are popular in China because they're far easier to get a license for. To the point that it's basically if you want to actually drive a car the ONLY way is to get an EV unless you've got an in with the government.
We're only at 10% of new sales being in the states for this year in comparison in the states and that's with panic buying due to the $7500 EV credit going away. I don't see the market for these things growing here especially with the used market tanking for EVs far, far worse than normal ass cars.

>>519200903
Replace car with life and you're much closer to the goal.

>>519210110
>In Europe there's a natural limit on vehicle size,
let's not pretend vans don't exist in europe and there is nowhere to park them.

Blame the customers instead of Elon, huh?

>>519192765 (OP)
ford's customers dont want their ford ev to look like everyone else's ford, they're a luxury type of affluent buyer that wants luxury, not a working man's truck

>>519192765 (OP)
>brain worm infection

ford could just bring one of their chinese models and make it electric since they're different from regular fords already

>>519208300
The effect is not the same.

>>519210387
>Why Chinese EVs are not sold in the US
>High Tariffs: The US has imposed punitive tariffs of over 100% on Chinese EVs to make them prohibitively expensive for consumers.
>Protectionist Policy: The "tariff fortress" is a policy designed to protect the American auto industry from competition, according to The Conversation.
>Trade Relations: The tariffs are a part of a broader trade strategy by both the Trump and Biden administrations to counter China's growing influence in key manufacturing sectors.

>EU action on Chinese EVs
>Tariffs: The EU Commission has imposed definitive countervailing duties on BEVs imported from China, which took effect in late 2024. The investigation found that Chinese government subsidies created an unfair advantage, causing or threatening injury to EU producers.
>Reasoning: The EU argues that these subsidies are harming the transition to EVs in Europe.

>>519210990
ford should just get trump to make an exception to chinese cars that have an american badge on it, that are electric

https://www.ford.com.cn/car/allnewmondeo/sportedition/

https://www.ford.com.cn/car/allnewmondeo/

https://www.ford.com.cn/suvs/edgel

>>519192765 (OP)
I test drove one of the Kia EVs the other day, and it was great. Range was a little over 300 miles in current weather (my petrol is 360 on a full tank), the equivalent of 120 miles to the gallon (my current petrol is about 70), 0 to 60 in about 6 seconds, smooth drive once I got the hang of there being no gears, didn't touch the i-Pedal thing as it seemed like an unnecessary extra, but all in all it was a nice drive. I'll probably get one in another 5 years when the batteries are a bit better and the gimmicks have all been gotten over by manufacturers.

I honestly don't get the hate for them, though. Is it like a poor person thing where it's just out of reach so it makes them seethe?

EV's are great lol and those who talk shit about them are retards

>Less maintanence. No complex carbon combustion etc. No oil changes.

>No gas cost

>Better speed and handling

Well the only downside was cost. Burning dinosaur bones to move 60mph....its a retarded hill people are die on

>>519208597
And look, YOU idiot. As you should have probably Clued in by now, We don’t fucking care. I want a bench seat and a big bed to put and move my shit. End of story

>but my rod must aspirate the….
I really don’t give two shits about your alphabet soup shit you keep spewing. No one but you and that other dude 100 posts back care about what you are talking about. Close the tab and move on with your day boomer.

My F-150 EV is literally all that and is a generator. Gas is so gay.

>>519193352
First
On
Race
Day

>>519213937
now this shit is booming cringe

>>519192765 (OP)
Cool

>>519207400
Lol easy to get 20+ mpg in my V8 Chevy

>>519206470
Nigga check prices
Lighting ans Silverado EV can be had for about 45k

>>519193219
The moment they put servile boot licking jeets as CEO's.

>>519193219
When the members of the board decided to implement Trump-like tactics, which actually predates Trump himself: nominating compliant retards as CEO's. Perfect example is having Gates as the Microsoft CEO vs some Indian (you get "interesting things" like Windows 8.0 and 11, not to mention all kinds of data theft). This happens all over the corporate world now. Every product rushed, bloated, flawed and squeezed to the last penny at the expense of consumers.

>>519212981
The reason car companies are able to make such garbage is because dropshots like you don't know any better. There are things about motor vehicles men generally used to understand as a basic level, but now people basically think like women.

If people weren't so pathetic they wouldnt go and pay for a turbo'd, vvt, monstrosity and this shit wouldnt be so easy to foist on people. But that stuff is all incomprehensible to you and you willingly pay for it like fools.

>>519192765 (OP)
>>519192765 (OP)
>>519192765 (OP)
Reminder that the "no tail" posts are made by VPN niggers of a troon squad from iDrama and Valent Projects cuckademics to normalize furfag degeneracy across the board.
Same trannies who shill for Jewkraine and make the /uhg/ threads btw.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518123762/#518129824
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518281658/#518287969
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518256371/#518256990

>>519215826
*In short, the suit from accounting has no vision or passion. Just a target number in mind within a certain amount of time.

As long as BluePrint and Chevy Performance etc. still exist then there is hope. If they ever close shop then we will be seized upon by dark days indeed.

>>519192765 (OP)
They didn’t take into account the environment either. The air pollution produced by particulate matter alone due to EV tires having to carry the massive weight of the batteries is insanely higher than ICE vehicles.


If they didn’t do it for the customer or the environment, who did they do it for?