Thread 519205935

Russian embassy has just exposed the truth about Holodomor.
You should read it, it is very interesting.

>>519205935 (OP)
In case you were wondering if jews still controlled russia, this confirms it. As always, they orchestrate both sides of this "war" to pit two white populations against each other. Just like WW2.

>>519207645
Russia might want to lie about this for their own reasons.

Who promoted the Genocide? Stalin

Stalin was Georgian, he wasnt even Russian

>>519205935 (OP)
>exposed the truth
all commonly known history
that it was "a hecking muscovite genocide campaign against the ukrainian race!!! slava!!!" (which is the meaning behind the laughable term "holodomor") has never been mainstream for a reason
why do you think the EU didnt recognize it as a "genocide" until after 2022? because they were tankies denying people starved/died? lol

>>519208130
Stalin was a jew.

>>519205935 (OP)
>Russian embassy has just exposed the truth about

This is a very old post.

>>519205935 (OP)

The only thing I read was "dirty commies caused famine again and the Russians, that created the commie revolution, were responsible"

>>519208242
Kremlin jews run a genocide campaign on almost every nation on occupied lands of former Russian Empire, but Slavic nations were genocided most cruelly and in biggest numbers. Simple as.
And yes, EU officials are communist buttlickes who worship racemixing and breeding out ze evil White stuff.

>>519205935 (OP)
on #10, wasn't it about the fact that Ukraine had a lot of anti-Communists?

>>519208130
>Who promoted the Genocide? Stalin
And who backed Stalin? His entire cabinet leadership across the entire Soviet government was jewish (along with Stalin's wife) and 60 million white christians were horrifically murdered through torture, famine, and genocide during the Holodomor as a result.

>>519205935 (OP)

To force people into the cities to work in the factories. We did the same during the start of the Industrial Revolution. Communism was about industrialising backwards agricultural Russia.

>>519208545
Sure they were. After what commies made in Kiiv. Had you heard of Kiievan Theater? That commie jews turned it into an anatomy theater vivisecting people alive for entertainment while doing cocaine?

russia is great

>>519205935 (OP)
Most true things from this list do not contradict the Holodomor, and even more are lies

The 1 is a lie by omission; it was a man-made famine

The 2 and 3 is not a contradiction, communists caused starvation not just in Ukraine. And why use "in terms of numbers" and not per capita

The 4 is true just because the Kazah genocide was even worse than the Ukrainian genocide.

The 5 is a restatement of the 3, though I actually doubt if it's true if you add up Ukrainian and Kazah deaths.

The 6 is just a statement of communist strategy to keep cities politically stable

The 7 is interesting. It essentially conceded Holodomor is true but softens it by calling it a "poor management" and not a cruel sociopathic policy choice

The 8 is an outright lie, communists consciously used starvation as punishment. "The control system was not functioning properly" is such a copout

The deliberate killing of Ukrainians is not decisively proven but certainly plausible, given the anti-Ukrainian shift in the communist party in the 30s

The 10 is a lie

The 11 is just "bad people lie about us", it's not a statement of any facts

>>519208030
Dugin said that Russia should deny Holodomor while affirming the Holocaust because the latter is beneficial to Russia, the former is not.

>>519208130
It was a famine, not a genocide lmao

>>519208714
Pure bullshit. It all was done to strip people of any identity more complicated the 'worker' or 'farmer' or alike.

>>519208714
They literally banned people from leaving starving villages

>>519205935 (OP)
>fag goes topost to /pol/ so he shows he is the hecking anti-westerino free thinker
>simps for the type of fucking totalitarian regime which sees him as a useful idiot
The absolute state of humanity today, kys faggot.

>>519208934
That's how they get you. They call number 1 a lie, despite number 7 outlines specific causes for the famine.

Holodomor is a political myth and a hoax to give Ukrainians some historical reasoning to hate Russia, rather than just because Russia won't let them all flee into EU to be janitors.

That said, it is another hoax. Ukrainians don't have visa-free access to EU because of EU, not for any other reason.

>>519209198
lol, in late 90s and early 2000s russia literally killed people who raised this topic in early 90s.

>>519209198
which is why the moment the jews running the US government right now begin to restrict movement between the states, it's time to get the fuck out of the country before the famines begin.

>>519209506
You will never be a real Russian. Your mongrel pack is extincting and that's a good thing.

>>519205935 (OP)
Not worth reading, jews will always lie, but it interesting that they trying to settle the conflict between the nations now lol
Btw now they are giving ukrainians bigger reason to hate russians

>>519209660
You too can flee into EU to be a janitor, no one's stopping you except the EU.

I hear you might have success by flying into Mexico and trying to cross the border into US.

>>519209506
I find funny you spent most of 20th century promoting anti-colonialism aming browns while fucking over and over again your own colonies, the fact all your colonies had to be inland and border-connected because you were too retarded to have proper fleets before starting to buy more developed country's ships.
Even your own fucking priests point out all your current miseries are for spreading atheistic beliefs worldwide for decades.

>>519209779
We have seeing many of you flying up thanks to drones, ad astra eh? You should never give up.

>>519209779
I don't have to. I will piss on your corpse on the city dumpster right after taking my land back. And those zigger mongrels that managed to run to Kazachstan, or even to US through Mexican border - we will get them back so they could join you.

>>519205935 (OP)
>"here are the facts!"
>no actual numbers
nice meme

>>519209922
>"I find it funny that"
>Drops a bunch of nonsensical shit
You take shitpost too literally, you're supposed to at least try to make sense.

>>519205935 (OP)
you used the words
>russian
and
>truth
in the same sentence
you are a funny guy
you should considers stand up comedy

>>519210016
You'll do nothing and you'll be seething.

>>519208488
>but Slavic nations were genocided most cruelly and in biggest numbers
you know, jews launched crusades to get rid off my people. too bad they didn't finish the job tho, its their downfall and now is too late

>>519208934
Based analysis, Britbong, I will miss you.

>>519210296
>>519208934
>It's all a lie, a lie I tell you, a fucking lie!
>The deliberate killing of Ukrainians is not decisively proven
LOL very based indeed.

>>519208246
Sorry hitlerbro ...
>>519209660
>You will never be a real Russian
>Says a "Russian" who hates his country for the last 100 years, probably more, and even calls people "ziggers", probably hates Putin too.,

>>519205935 (OP)
Oy vey anudda deboonk

>>519210296
I personally dont like when Ukrainians pretend it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt that communists specifically targeted/wanted to kill Ukrainians. It's not certain if/to what degree they were, and to what degree this was a broadly anti-peasant policy. The "holodomor revisionists" use this uncertainty as a thin end of the wedge to push their "Russia didn't do nuffin" narrative.

>>519209506
The fact that Ukrainians use Holodomor as a means to an end of demonising Russia doesn't make it a hoax, it just makes the Ukrainian cause more legitimate

>>519205935 (OP)
>THE BENEVOLENT AND BELOVED JEWS IN THE CENTRAL COMMITTEE OF THE PARTY DID NOTHING WRONG!!!! SCHTUPID HOKHOLES!
Fucking Russians.

>>519210098
Sovoc had died and pederussia will. You've done, mongrel like every single jew-built mongrel golem before.
>>519210908
Putin is a jew.
Pedorussian Pedoration is a jew-run shithole.
I will get my country back and your cringe kind will be wiped out.
We both know I'm right.
Cope.

>>519210617
Most of the stuff the Russian side says is a lie. You use the single uncertainty that the Ukrainian side exaggerates to dismiss the whole story

This disinformation post again? Russian shills were posting it a lot some weeks ago. They must be running out of material and recycling again.

>>519211097
Jews never ruled Russia. Not even in the 1990s. The first one that the Soviets were jews was an outright lie by butthurt monarchists seething that they were being phased out, and the idea that yelcin or putin was a jew is just commie seething for the same reason, they are obsolete and phased out.
Reality: jews never had power in Russia. the oligarchs were not powerful as Putin demonstrated and the 40% jews in politburo was only until 1927 when politburo never had any power (it was Stalin that gave power to the politburo, it was not powerful at all before him)

Just subversive groups all around insulting Russian glorious & unified history view to promote their retarded and obsolete views, hurting Russia in the process.

>>519211200
The only one who can overthrow United Russia are the obsolete communists, which will make your right wing kind suffer much more than Putin ever did, so I suggest that you start supporting Putin for your own good. Monarchists and Nazis, who the communists made obsolete are in such small numbers that they do not posses a threat to the United Russia at all. Only with the help of Azov could those fringe groups obtain power. But Azov is dying, almost entirely dead by now.

>>519211393
A jew rule russia right now.

>>519211203
No, I already pointed out how you tried to manipulate the truth to call it a lie here >>519209506 , glad that you ignored that post

>>519205935 (OP)
>they were hit with a famine
why?

>>519211090
>The fact that Ukrainians use Holodomor as a means to an end of demonising Russia doesn't make it a hoax
The fact that it didnt happen makes it a hoax.

>>519205935 (OP)
>Russian embassy has just exposed the truth about Holodomor.
i thought russia said ukraine is russia and has been since the dawn of man. why isnt he describing this as an event that happened to russia rather than a separate entity

>>519211542
No amount of delusional mumbling will help. Removal will continue. Your time is over.

>>519211571
Out of context. For lurkers, he said:
>When I see the bravery of my soldiers, I cannot help but say outloud: "I too, am a Russian, a Tatar, a Yakut, a Jew ..."

>>519205935 (OP)
Kill everyone who downplays the crimes of the USSR. IRL, not in minecraft. Yes, CSIS, I am making a direct call to violence.

>>519211393
How would you call this bunch of fellas? It's certainly a quite colorful squad.

>>519211706
You just ignored my entire post, so I will assume that you have no argument.

>>519211709
Here is some context.

>>519211200
>So retarded, that he believes that changes in political makeup are equal to 'death'
Did you know that Putin was a high ranking KGB agent before he became president of Russia? He didn't 'die' so well ahahaha.

Keep coping though it's super funny.

>>519211723
I can see by the noses that there is one, maybe two jews in the crowd. But there is also one muslim and a lot of asians. I suppose this pic is where Hitler got the "asiatic horde" from

>>519205935 (OP)
Right after Putin's meeting with Trump on not giving Ukraine tomahawks. What a Cohen-cidence.

>>519211779
Your post is meaningless bullshit and deserves to be ignored.

>>519211815
What about this? Is he a cryptobuddhist?

>>519205935 (OP)
>Ukrainian kulaks let their own crops rot and kill their own cattle
>Why would Russia do this to us?

>>519211925
Look at how many there are

>>519211639
It's a fact that the communist party shifted away from empowering local ethnic groups in the 30, communist officials didn't like Ukrainians, and it coincided with the Holodomor. There is indeed no beyond a reasonable doubt proof for genocide, but it doesn't make it "100% out of the question" like your rupig gov suggests, it actually makes it 100% in the question, it can be both and it can be a mix and a matter of degree, while you take the position that is 100% didn't happen

>>519211704
>Why is US embassy describing this as an event that happened to California, rather than America, as if it's a separate entity?
The IQ of an amerimutt is staggeringly low.

>>519211845
>WAS
WAS
>WAS
And he's about to become 'had been'. Because with jews you lose.

>>519211716
Anon i dont think you realize what youre doing. Opinions are fine, but a lot of people who download the crimes of the USSR do so out of stupidity or ignorance on the topic. We should definitely reeducate people with actual hard evidence, and those that refuse the verifiable proofs should be segregated from those willing to humble themselves before the truth.

You're kind of just the opposite side to the reactionary coin otherwise. Dont fall for divide and conquer anon. Go help your community instead of bitching on here, thats what I try to do. (Obviously still come back to bitch but first make some change locally. You're here forever, but that doesn't mean you're here 24/7 forever) God bless and i hope whatever province youre in is doing okay.

>>519211862
Definitely more. First soviet government was about 98% jewsih.

>>519212013
Great post but the problem is, you claimed that number 1 was a lie because they didn't specify that it was man-made famine.

Except they specify in number 7 that it was man-made.

So it isn't really a lie, and neither are any of your other points, so you're literally just coping and textdumping to avoid facing that.

>>519211716
Just to clarify, I used weird structuring of what i sent because I'm quite sick and it was hurting my brain to reread what I had typed. I definitely still hate AI (But am also a hypocrite because i probably use it)

>>519211925
>>519211983
>look, a pedo eats and icecream
>that means he's not a pedo anymore
>just an icecream enjoyer
Negative IQ logic.

>>519212013
Because it turned out to be a failure. Bukharin said that Russians oppressed ethnic groups and had to make up for it, but then an over correction happened which made some minorities over represented. So Stalin came to fix this over correction
It is especially egregious because most of nobility intermarried with other Europeans so they were not even Russians and Bukharin statement was false.
I suppose in that time everyone believed in white globalism that everyone who looks white is exactly the same, but Germans and Anglos ARE distinct from Slavs as was later revealed.

>>519212075
>73 year old man might die sometime.
>Actually might not die that soon.
>Libtard pretends it's somehow a victory over Russia that will finally end its thousand-year history.
From a scale from butt-fucking livid, to rage of a thousand suns, how mad are you about your life?

>>519211393
>The first one that the Soviets were jews was an outright lie
The 1919 Polituro had 7 members. They were:
>Lenin né Ulyanov-Blank - a jew born to a jewish mother
>Zinoniev né Radomyslsky - a jew
>Kamenev né Rozenfeld - a jew
>Trotsky né Bronstein - a jew
>Stalin - not a jew
>-Solinkov né Brilliant - a jew
>Bubnov - not a jew
But go on, you drooling mental incompetent. Cope top your perforated heart out about how your jew masters never really ruled over you and totally didn't artificially create a famine to punish the goyim for their lacking faith in Marx - also a jew.

>>519212195
Nice made up numbers fag.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_People%27s_Commissars
15 people, 1 jew (1,25 if you believe that Lenin's grandfather was jewish). The highest government organization with the highest possible authority.

>>519212211
Holodomor is a real thing.
Your words are not.
Period.

>>519205935 (OP)

>it wasn’t intentional. We were just retarded and starved everyone.

Amazing line of Defense only a zigger historian could imagine.

>>519212356
My apologies to the good people of Russia for accidentally thinking that the stunted Slovenian jew was one of you. I can only say that I am stupid.

>>519212356
Lenin's mother was not a jew. His grandfather might have been, which wouldn't qualify as a jew in Hitler's Nuremberg laws. And additionally, Politburo did not have supreme executive power until Stalin. Council of people's commissars had that power.

>>519205935 (OP)
>Millions of people died because we confiscated all their grain, but we didn't mean to kill them!
>See, it's not genocide! How were we supposed to know?

>>519212429
>Can see my words
>Can't see Holodomor
You haven't thought this one through libtard.

>>519212318
>butt-fucking
Tell me you're a zigger pidor without telling me your a zigger pidort.
>>519212399
>wiki
Yadda yadda yadda.

I generally find the narratives and discourse produced by the Russian government to be coherent and rational, but this particular matter is completely inconsistent.
No you can't justify this you did the shit the power in Russia did the shit because Ukrainians got so much of wheats and many people died
That's the result and only truth
Whether Russians too were dyinp or not is irrelevant.

>>519212544
No amount of bitching would do anything.
Words of homosexual have no weight. You are a homosexual. Therefore, your words not a real thing.

>>519212521
To be fair communism isn't exactly a genius idea, and to be a king among fools you have to be a fool yourself to a degree.
>We didn't know that starving them would make them die, what do you mean starvation kills people?
or
>We took their grain because we wanted to prolong the lives of others because we valued them more, we knew they would suffer
Either ones evil and entirely indefensible but i admittedly don't know a lot about this topic in particular since a lot of my knowledge came from things i learned in my teen years on underwater mongolian basket weaving forums

>>519212593
We already cleared that you're a moron who doesn't understand analogy, but I suspect that some of your libtard friends actually molested you since that's the only part of my post that made you stop in your tracks.

>>519205935 (OP)
>Same old Grover Furr narrative from tankie fanfic written 30 years ago
>Now officially the historical narrative of Russia
Breddy gudd. Trolling is an art.

>>519212689
I am not a homosexual, stop projecting.
>Homophobes are actually the ones likely to be gay.

>>519212498
Almost all commisars were jewish. Something like 89%.
The very first law soviets made - they outlawed the word 'jew' in soviet russia.

>>519212734
>BOOM
BOOM
>BOOM
Assblast confirmed.

>>519212862
Sorry to hear that you just confirmed your assblast. Do you need an ambulance?

>>519212776
>first thing he could bring to discussion is buttfucking
>no, I'm not a homosexual, those intrusive thoughts does not makes me one
Uhum. Whatever you say, faggot.

>>519212988
Why do you have intrusive thoughts about homosexuals if you hate them so much?

>>519212986
>no U
lmao

>>519205935 (OP)
There was another widespread famine in the USSR between 1946-1947.
Commies are worthless trash.

>>519213020
>more no U
Buck broken.

>>519213020
nigger dick loving russian dog

>>519213176
>>519213068
Why is this American mad at me? >>519213213
Is he your boyfriend?

I have no issues with your love, I have issue with you two being politically pathetic and mad at a 4chan post.

>>519213123
>in 1946-1947
It's when the food supplied by US run over. And it never stopped until 1991.
But that was just starvation, not real genocidal extermination when any sort of food was intentionally taken and all way to supply it were blocked.
>>519213338
I assume, no one like pidors. That's why almost all of your friends are dead or crippled by now, lmao.

>>519213544
Why're you projecting again? None of my friends are dead or crippled, perhaps because I am not a pidor.

Why do you believe that anyone smarter than you, that humiliates you, is a 'pidor'? Who hurt you?

Actually don't answer that last one, I know I hurt you.

>>519205935 (OP)
>((((((internationalists)))))

>>519212173
There is one more and very widespread reason. They find the present arrangement of globally dominant mammonism so intolerable (for understandable reasons) that they latch on to an ideology opposing it and the present need to have this anchor outweights shit that happened almost 100 years ago. To deny it costs nothing, to lose the straw they're holding onto, a lot. If another coherent, fundamentally anti-how-things-are-now ideological rallying point emerged tomorrow 99% of USSR and 3. Reich simps that aren't Ivan or Hans would disappear within one year. But for 80 / 40 years the most sophisticated form of population control yet devised have used all their might to prevent this. Don't you find it curious we still talk about muh commies and muh nazis in 2025? It's like people in the 1930s incessantly talking about Confederates or the merits of absolute monarchy. They're keeping us stuck obsessing about played out obsolete shit so no contemporary opponent with a chance to actually challenge the status quo can emerge.

>>519213758
>Vasya, you died
>you're no longer a friend of mine
>and a hohol now
Classic pidor behaiviour.

>>519208934
>The 10 is a lie
Yes. What are national deportations then?

>>519208242
Many peasants killed themselves burying grain and got fungal poisoning.

>>519208130
Stalin was a kike
>Jugashwili=Dzhugashwili=son of a jew
>spoke jidish
Putin-Shelomov is a kike
>WEF boy
>Chabad-Lubavitch boy
It's ONE agenda and it's about getting rid of Amalek
Z=Zion

>>519212047
He's talking about Russia, Kazakhstan, Ukraine as separate entities. For what you're saying to have happened you'd have to have someone say "Oh well there was a famine in California and also one in USA". You fuckin midwit. Thanks for making my point for me again in Russian.

>>519214330
Why do you keep telling us stories about yourself?

>>519215060
>Uppity californians demand reparations for a famine
>Get reminded that the rest of US starved too
Amerimutt, please stop, you're making yourself look bad.

>>519215277
yes, you're talking about one thing being a part of another thing which is different from saying there was a famine in russia, kazakhstan, and ukraine

there was a famine in usa and california and utah. that would be ridiculous and no one would say it. good luck becoming a civilized people

"Ukraine was hit by famine" "Russia and Kazakhstan were also hit by famine". oh, all 3 of those things are different. it's like talking to a pig

>>519215604
To explain it to you REAL slow.
USSR was the super-country. It consisted of smaller countries, something like states in US.

So there was Ukrainian SSR
Kazakhstani SSR
and Russian SSR.

And when Ukrainians say USSR starved them specifically as genocide. They have to be reminded that OTHER SSRs also starved at the time.

USSR is not Russia. Russia was part of USSR. Fucking mutt god damn.

>>519205935 (OP)
KEK imagine if the German embassy was "exposing" the holocaust like this lmao

>>519211620
They say it in point 7. You just have to read, nigger.

>>519205935 (OP)
>we don't know what we're doing
>please trust us
Russia please I am feeling second hand embarrassment here

>>519215778
yes so ukraine is like latvia and estonia. got it. russia is rsfsr and nothing else. its literally what i said in my first post

>>519212815
Source: somebody said it once

>>519214706
I can't wait for ofcom block so I don't have to deal with stupid bongs anymore

>>519205935 (OP)
>the most fertile place in russia experienced a famine it was very unfortunate
>our mass confiscation of ukraines resources meant out big cities did not starve though, we were actually doing a good job!
>we just made a mistake it wasnt personal! our system just wasnt functioning properly
>look more people died in this other country we had subjugated
watching commies lie through their teeth is really something. The greatest tragedy of ww2 was that the west didnt nuke russia into submission.

>>519216102
No you said some retarded nonsense. Let me try last time, slooowly.

Ukrainians are ethnic Russians, and did not exist as a country until USSR subjugated Russian Empire, and gave Ukraine independence.

In that short timeframe of less than 100 years, USSR mismanaged Russia, temporarily independent Ukraine and Kazakhstan, causing a famine.

USSR did not genocide the temporarily independent Ukrainian state on purpose. They mismanaged other states at the time too, like RSFSR.

Ah yes, because modern 'embassy' has anything smart to say about thing that soviets hid and provided lots of misinformation about

>>519216738
>Communism isnt real! Communism doesn't work! It's a sham, a scam!
>Here's an example of Communism not working.
>Uh actually it was a well-orchestrated and choreographed plot to specifically rid the commune of Ukrainians. Everyone acted so in tandem that not a single order or record of it remains. They even starved other people as a cover-up.
>No that doesn't mean that they genocided Kazakhs and Russians too by starvation under orders of a Georgian. No reparations for them. In fact, Russia is to blame!

There's just no winning with retarded faggots.

why do holodomor deniers never mention that this "famine" happens directly after millions of farming families were exterminated/ put into concentration camps?

why do they always mention khazakstan without fail like its some kind of gotcha when just before the famine there they happened to go around and exterminate all the herdsmen who were the traditional suppliers of food in the region?

>>519217276
Because, again, holodomor is a mythical attempt to kill all Ukrainians, which isn't real. And they point to Kazakhstan etc as a gotcha because it is a gotcha - it shows that commies were ruining everyone's day out of their stupid ideology.

It wasn't a targetted ethnic cleansing and Ukraine does not get to claim it as exclusively their own, and has no right to call other victims of it the secret perpetrators.

>>519217630
>It wasn't a targeted ethnic cleansing
except it was, as evidenced by the fact that they also systematically targeted ukranian cultural figures

>shows that commies were ruining everyone's day

kek how low IQ are you that you think this is a valid argument? are you seriously trying to argue " it couldn't have been ethnic cleansing because they targeted other ethnicity too!"

can you explain in detail why you believe a nation cannot target multiple ethnicities at the same time?

ethnic cleansing is a staple of communism as . individual national identities and ways of life have to be destroyed to make way for class consciousness and to integrate these region into a singular community with a single class consciousness based identity


i notice you guys never mention the cossacks who were also targeted for anihilation, probably because that one was too obviously a genocide and would destroy your whole narrative

>>519218212
>ethnic cleansing is a staple of communism as . individual national identities and ways of life have to be destroyed to make way for class consciousness
This is such a retarded thing to say, as if class conflicts never happen in ethnic homogenous nations

>>519218287
KEK fuck youre so dumb, i never said "it never happens in homogeneous nations"


tell me anon why did you feel so compelled to put words in my mouth? id it because youre wrong and you know you are?

>>519218434
If class conflict, leading to class consciousness exists in homogenous nations, how does your assertion that national identity needs to be removed come true?

>>519208934
Agreed. A lot of them conceded holodomor was true honestly. The first few points they just compared the country to completely demographics and population amounts lol.

I don’t know why people can’t just say “whining about the past is very annoying” and instead try to grasp at straws instead

>>519205935 (OP)
reminder that ukrainians were the bulk force behind the soviet victory in ww2

>>519205935 (OP)
>it was worse elsewhere OKAYYYYYYYYYY????
the fact is that ukraine is by far the most fertile land in europe, to have a famine there it has to be a policy, and the retards in moscow decided everything.

>>519219521
That is not true. They had a lot of victims, but those were civilian victims, not military ones. So in translation, nazis killed them because they happened to be closer to them geographically than Russians were.
Otherwise, Ukraine has always been the hub of right wing and anarchist ideologies. Nestorites were the Anarchists, and for the rightists groups, there were Banderites, but also the white army and the black hundreds had a strong presence in Ukraine, presence that unlike in other republics, continued after 1918 in covert form.

>>519218212
>except it was, as evidenced by the fact that they also systematically targeted ukranian cultural figures
You mean they also targetted everyone else's cultural figures, it's just you really wish that Ukrainians got their own personal holocaust to feel special.

Well it doesn't work that way.

>>519215160
>he doesn't know

>>519205935 (OP)
wtf i hate ukraine nao!

>>519221539
Why would you do that? Why would you keep a video of yourself doing that?

>>519220934
No, Ukrainians just first to be vocal about what jew-created commie golen did to them. And in asiatic part of former sovoc you, pidors, were silently slaughtered for that. But fear not, churkas are also about to make some statements because there is nothing to milk out of pidorussia anymore.

>>519221708
>now you're a zigger
lmao, subhuman, are you okay there?

>>519205935 (OP)
Let's hear their official opinion on the Holocaust

>>519219632
>to have a famine there it has to be a policy,
wrong

>>519218701
>class consciousness
>>519218287
>class conflicts
Both not a real thing, just jewish bullshit.

>>519211200
You lost your country in 1991 kike

>>519221835
Who're you quoting?

>>519205935 (OP)
The cause of this and every other famine in Soviet Union was retarded communist system which required farmer to turn over ALL of his harvest to the state, in return for which he was supposed to receive a ration proportionate to his needs.
Of course, given notorious incompetence and inefficiency of Soviet bureaucracy, this ration often failed to arrive, so the farmer starved.
Allowing the farmer to keep some of his crop to feed himself was ebil "capitalism" and forbidden.

>>519205935 (OP)
>releases it on X
I ain't reading that ragebait.

>>519222093
Now I am just convinced that you never go outside and never hear what people have to say about the "higher ups"
You *should* try going outside and interacting with people.

>>519222106
You, incoherent pidor.

>>519222207
You've made a mistake, buddy, there's nothing like that in my post. Perhaps you should consider taking meds.

>>519222170
Blah blah blah.
Can you explain how class conflict is a real thing if actual working class always side with their employers when it's time to hang some commies and the commies themselves only getting support from marginals, like perverts, whores and junkies, and useless service sector bitches? Why every single aspect of so called 'class conflicts' is jewish if it's not about race?

>>519208845
qrd?

>>519222264
>zigger booting out corpses of his dead cum-rags
>another zigger: IT WAS YOU DOING THAT
>also same zigger: I DID NOT CALLED YOU A ZIGGER
U WUT? Are you melting down there, subhuman?

>>519222539
This literally only happens when some third positionist "hero" like Hitler comes along and starts larping as a socialist, as on the side of the "proletarians"
"I am a proletarian and the demands of the working *CLASS* are just" ~Hitler

If Hitler instead said something like "we have to side with the employers against the commies, because employers are heroes and should be respected", he would end up like Milei, in a desperate need of a bailout.
USA would have a communist revolution if it wasn't for FDR, another third positionist hero who has openly presented himself as on the side of the proletarians.
If class conflict was not a real thing, there would be no need to manufacture such heroes as there would have never been a threat of communism in the first place.

>>519222668
Why do you keep linking my posts while you moan in intense mental anguish? Please take care of your mental health, you're babbling nonsense.

>>519205935 (OP)
7, 8, and 9 directly contradict one another.
Either the party went and took grain away from the Ukrainian breadbasket, thus deliberately killing Ukrainians by starvation, or they did not. Can't have it both ways.
>protip: they did

>>519222992
Whoops. Updated.

>>519223081
>>519222992
Does the book mention whether these people were given rides on rollercoasters or were turned into soap after unspecified units stole their grain and set their skirts alight?

>>519222992
This is logistically impossible. What actually happened is that the kulaks in resisting collectivization burned their crops and killed their livestock. Collectivization itself was planned to take place over several years so regardless of feasibility it was not possible to enforce it as quickly as famine happened.
Because the burnings started as soon as the kulaks heard about the collectivization, before it was entirely implemented.

And the other thing was that in the same time period, the Soviet government has just sent it's entire reserves in exchange for western farming machinery which would allow for better yields later on.

>>519222667
When commies took over Ukraine after russian revolution first what they did - they killed all the fleet officers by burning them one after another in ships' firebox alive, and then they started expropriating small businesses. And some owners tried to fight back. As a result, commie jews got assmad and arrested every single owner of every single business in all big cities of Ukraine. In Kiiv, they used the biggest city theater for executions. Some jewish whore who made it into commie officials was torturing locals on stage almost every other day, usually three or four of them through the evening, sometimes as families, cutting off or brocking limbs, cutting their guts off or opening chests with hammer and chisel, and when the guy could no longer scream - offing him with .22 cal and taking a next one.
That's the story. It's all well-documented. Partly by her, in her diaries.

>>519223386
>When commies took over Ukraine after russian revolution
Are you even Russian? The commies took over after the October revolution. Even here we are taught this and we are not Russia

>>519223461
VPN-using Ukrainian it seems. After 2014, their history books were all burned and replaced with ones that have all sorts of myths in them.

>>519205935 (OP)
>Sir gay (((markov))) said
kek

>>519205935 (OP)
No shit. Literally the same kikes promoting that the USSR starved 6 quadrillion people are the same ones saying that the 6 gorillion died in the Holohoax. And yes, the Jews hate the USSR too, just because some controlled opposition Antifa nigger tweets Lenin quotes doesn't change the fact that the Jews in the US did everything possible for the USSR to collapse.

>>519222776
lol, lmao even
Why didn't you mentioned Franko? Why didn't you mentioned that Suomi guy who booted sovocs out of Finland?
Is it because they WON?
>>519222934
>I will project harder
kek
>>519223265
Nah, it's a jewish thing to make lies this stupid.
Like russia did with Boeing MH-17 and that Japs form squad 731.

>>519223744
Franco also started out as a third positionist and he only changed his ideology after 10 years, when all commies were already genocided. This is why I said that these are "heroes". Third positionism was in many cases meant to be a temporary thing until the restoration of free market ideology. But that wasn't publicly said because they wouldn't win otherwise. Would Franco win if he said he fought for free markets and liberal economic values? probably not.

>>519223461
>>519223568
Bitch harder about unimportant shit. There was no October revolution, it's a commie myth. Just a jewish gang that used a group of StPetersburg women protesting in front of building where the Temporary Government was sitting to storm the building and kill the guards knowing they won't shoot into crowd of women.

>>519223986
>There was no October revolution, it's a commie myth
kek

>>519223885
Franko started as exterminator of communistic filth. All the rest does not matter. And that was the reason why so called 'working class' which is not a real thing, sided with him. Because class shit is jewish bullshit.

>>519223986
>October revolution

Most of the people with grievances with the Tsar also were non-Russians. Plenty of Russians too, but mainly people from the Baltics and Central Asia. Famines were common before in the Russian Empire were common before the revolution too.

>>519224114
It's literally this. October revolution is a fairy tale. And you must be IQ 60 retard to believe it.

>>519224182
>Because class shit is jewish bullshit

I don't know, it was mostly rich Jews and Shabbos Goys exploiting the fuck out of people throughout history...

>>519224272
I'm sorry to say, but you're both uneducated and mentally ill.

>>519224272
>37 pbtid
touch grass nigger

>>519224182
Franco had support from both the west and direct east (nazi germany)
The Soviets officially supported the republicans, but as both sides were blocked by Germany and Britain/America, they couldn't do much.
Now, will you do Serbia and Yugoslavia where the "class enthusiasts" had 2x more members than the opposition?
And why did you ignore FDR, Hitler, Mussolini, etc.?
The reality is that the only reason why communist revolutions don't happen anymore is because communism is obsolete - proletarians no longer exist. But class in-group preference never went away

>>519205935 (OP)
I studied the Homodomor about 10 years ago and I can confirm that this is all true.

>>519207645
this is because the White population on this planet has the highest chances/probability % of still deterring the alien invasion and stop and reverese the assimilation process.
still, the process is almost done and time is very short.
qrd https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfeLA1jOXl8

>>519224818
>The reality is that the only reason why communist revolutions don't happen anymore

In Europe, the communists got what they wanted for the working class. In America, the first few generations of working class got what they wanted, but now even though they need to revolt, there's no solidarity at all and everyone is out for themselves like solitary animals in the jungle.

>>519225158
No they didn't. Communism is a radical ideology that requires minimization or removal of private property. And removal of class conflict by establishing a dictatorship of the lower classes.
Europe on the other hand has it's economy based on private entrepreneurship and it operates on market principles. Not "free market", just "market". But capitalism can also exist without free markets.
I live in a country in EU which has one of the highest public property rates in economy, around 25% is state enterprises and public enterprises. But this is far from how much the eastern block states had, nearly 100%
It is also far from the "middle ground" that some third positionist nations did, like Mussolini floated around 50% most of the time

>>519225158
Communists still exist though, just in non-Western countries. Very few countries subscribe to Marxism anymore. Only Cuba, Laos, NOKO. All of them are shitholes not because of Marixsm but because these countries have basically been sanctioned to hell and also they try and make an autarky out of nothing (which isn't going to work in a small island country like Cuba unless everyone just stays a sustenance farmer).

>>519208030
maybe, but this seems to be the Truth.

>>519225408
Yes, and the working class is much more content than they were before. They essentially "got what they wanted". The US needs to revolt and start killing rich kikes, but there's still too many successful "in" people thar still perpetuate the system. Also, this time, instead of giving the pleb a house and good working conditions, the Jews have found an even better method, one that requires no concessions to be made: Slow Decline.

>>519208030
>"Da evil Russians singled us out!"
>said unironically as millions of Russians starve across the SSR's border under a Georgian dictator

>>519224352
Which makes it purely racial.
>>519224818
Franko had the support of Spanish people. And even soviet money and troops were unable to change it. The only reason communist revolutions don't happening is because all societies with underdeveloped small social groups in their basis are already drenched by communists and done. Exactly as it was the last time, before Eastern Roman Empire collapse. Learn some actual history, nigger.

>>519226427
Those were ethnic Russians. Not sovoc-brand, race mixed russians that now wear our name.

>>519226553
>Which makes it purely racial

No, plenty of rich gentiles have exploited their poor counterparts. It's still class, just that the Jews make a giant portion of the ruling class despite being a very small percentage of the population.

>>519226553
>Franko had the support of
The Spanish elites, the church and powerful outside allies. And his "economic miracle" had GDP per capita grow twice as slower as socialist Yugoslavia, which tells you everything you need to know

>>519226703
Was it elites and priests who were shooting and hanging commies wherever they were showing their their dumb mugs? Or was it farmers and factory workers? Because don't rape and kill nun and don't rob banks?

>>519226676
For 'class' to be a thing it should be something like indian castes. There should be no social lifts at all.
And what jews did - they become a new sort of atheistic priests with racetraitors being their choir boys.

>>519227140
Until the foreign aid came, francoists were outnumbered 10x, and muh soviet influence was mere 3000 people, while there were 75k and 15k Italians and Germans

>>519227393
>International firms established factories in Spain where salaries were low, company taxes very low, strikes forbidden and workers' health or state protections almost unheard of
Sounds like the jews got what they wanted in Spain XD

>>519227402
>francoists were outnumbered 10x
Perfect conditions to get rid of all the commies. I mean, look at Ukraine. It's 16 to 1. And during WWII it was about 20 to 1.
>soviet influence was
Soviets always lie. Because jews always lie.

>>519227601
You cannot actually believe that

>>519227542
Oh, horror. How come Spain still has had way better living conditions that the glorified jewed shithole aka sovoc?

Nah, I am pretty sure there's no estimate where ukrop losses didn't dwarf the ruski ones. They also managed to kill extra 2 millions in 1946 famine, also just in Eastern Ukraine. The West that Soviets didn't manage to fuck up and rob yet did just fine.

>>519227655
Believe? We have numbers, you dumb cum slurper.

>>519227702
It was worse off than Yugoslavia and Eastern Germany by stats, not counting of course the worker violations

>>519227748
The numbers come from Ukraine. Do you not see conflict of interest here?
Of course not, you believe the nazi numbers about how many Soviets in charge were jews.

>>519227846
For Russian losses you should consult *Russian* statistics

>>519227791
By whose stats? Soviet stats? If it was so much worse why it was the Eastern Germany who literally had to built a wall to prevent it's citizens from running away and not the Spain?

>>519208969
Jewish hands made that pic.....but its funny

>>519227942
Because western Germany was better than Spain and Eastern Germany.

>>519210016
You can have my ex wife who committed asylum fraud. She still has a union state passport. Send her retarded ass to the front line and if you like would happily be a good character witness if you want to immigrate. Burgerstan isnt perfect by a long shot but having been to russia......its fucking sesame street in comparison.

>>519227846
No, the numbers come from Zion Don personally. He voiced them. We're all know that if there be any chance to tell he's wrong burger dems would howl like jackals about it. So slurp it up.
>>519227885
>*Russian* statistics
I.e. bullshit and anal manuvering.
>>519228034
lmao, WHERE IS GREAT SPANISH WALL? WHY NO ONE WAS RUNNING FROM IT WITH THE RISK TO GET SHOT?

>>519228230
A lot of Spaniards left actually. The USA just kept pumping money into Spain so it wasn't a problem

>>519211723
>Stalin already planning to ice pic trotsky in the pic
Stalin should have just done a 14/88 nazbol shift to appease Hitler. Stalin would have probably lasted till almost the 60s.

>>519228315
DID THEY HAD TO RUN JUMPING OVER A HUGE ASS WALL GETTING RISKED TO GET SHOT?
WHO HAD TO GUARD THEIR CITIZENS LIKE THEY ARE PRISONED IN SOME LABOUR CAMP?
EASTERN GERMANY OR SPAIN?
NAME IT.

russian embussy?

>>519228619
That was just Berlin. It was easier to migrate through the other border
If Spain wasn't backed by USA, they too would have their own wall

>>519205935 (OP)
'It wasn't a genocide, it was stalins miss-management!'

a WHOOPSY

i mean...it's not like stalin had trained professional agriculturalists to advice him.

no! he just had IVAN.

IVAN was very silly and mad a bad choice.

So stalin had him shot.

see? IVAN is the victim here.

which is why we must all now believe in MANAGED DEMOCRACY

an no anti-semitism.

no.

it wasn't the jews.

what an odd thing to say?

no, not at all! We still have the problem of Niggers, i mean NAZI'S sorry.

i said the wrong racial slur there. I ment to say NAZI.

which is totally not racist towards white people.

because ...you know....reasons....

Old talking points and revisionism I have seen Kremlin shills recycle all my life.
>>519207645
Of course. The war in Ukraine is basically just a backdrop for both Putin and Zelensky to cull as many far right type of people in eastern Europe as possible. Bonus if they can lure gullible western far right people to come to Ukraine and get droned to death in a ditch as well.
What Putin and the Kremlin has done to the far right in Russia is what the likes of Starmer or Macron wishes they could away with doing in the West.

>>519228425
Ok.....enjoy making 600 a month, losing hot water for a month in summer. conscription and saving your whole life for a 3 room commieblock apartment (if you're lucky a dacha) and either forced to use public transport or need a fucking psychiatric evaluation to get a fucking drivers license (lets not even start talking about guns)

>>519228750
josh destroyed you in brit/pol/

>>519228919
Yeah this is probably going to be the most autistic pointless war of this century (hopefully).

>>519228716
>It was easier to migrate through the other border
What, really? Through a no man land under machineguns fire? And dozens of meters of barbed wire beds?
>If Spain wasn't backed by USA
>reeee Americans shat into our asses that's why we shat ourselves
>also
>Americans, please send food, we have nothing to eat
Which country was saved from famine by humanitarian aid from US TRICE in 20th century? Spain or USSR?
Pathetic.

>>519228919
There are many far left fighting for Russia though. I saw more Soviet flags than the Alexander monarchist flags

>>519228993
Wait, U wus serious, bro? That's crazy.

>>519229149
Yeah, that's because all the so called 'cossacs', (actually larpers) who russia used as free mercenaries got their asses killed then they asked why russia's 'humanitarian help' to Novorossia is not a help nor humanitarian, and people have to pay money to FSB operatives to get any. And actual merks who larped as Imperal Russia fans, E.N.O.T. all got jailed when they asked russia when it planning to pay them for their contracts.

>>519229491
Monarchists will never get jailed. They are the "controlled opposition" of the right. Putin used them in 2014 to establish a "new right" so that he could get rid of skinheads and racialists.
If Putin kills off the monarchist movement, racialists will come back.
There must always be some kind of leftist opposition and rightist opposition allowed. No government operates alone, especially not for such a large country

Meet Lesya Gasidzhak director of the Ukrainian holodomor she ate everything

>>519205935 (OP)
Soviet tier propaganda. Stalin deliberately starved the Ukrainian people so they wouldn't oppose Soviet rule. It's true that other areas were impacted however the Holodomor overwhelming impacted Ukraine the most
>The Communists did not carry out any intentional starving
Yeah okay lol. Embarrassing that some people will believe this

>>519208130
neither of those, how fucking new are you.

>>519229149
Of course I am well aware of that. There is an idiosyncracy going on with Putinist Russia. They draw from both the Soviet and Tsarist era for their romanticism. Thats how you end up with stuff like that army church with icons of Stalin and whatnot. Its insane. But there is a method to that madness. Basically to Russians in general they see all eras as a part of a wider historical conflict between them and the west. They are basically in a Jihad/Crusade against what they perceive as "the collective west". To them its not a contradiction at all. Ideology and religion is just window dressing. Right now Kremlin propganda focuses a lot on the degenerate trajectory the West has recently been on. But if the West was more trad or whatever they would still maniacally hate the west with a passion but just frame it differently. Times and perceptions just morphs into new manifestations of the same old general resentment. Basically Russia is not Faustian. Its completely alien to that. Its something else. This resentment stems back to the Romanovs imposing western culture on Russia. The Bolshevik revolution was a symbol of rejecting westernization and paradoxically on a subconscious level a return to the pre-Romanov condition of the Russias inner soul. Which was basically being a Rurikd descended vassal of the golden horde.
Russia is perplexing and enigmatic. Water is also wet.

>>519230107
>This resentment stems back to the Romanovs imposing western culture on Russia. The Bolshevik revolution was a symbol of rejecting westernization and paradoxically on a subconscious level a return to the pre-Romanov condition of the Russias inner soul
I agree with this conclusion. Though a lot of Romanovs like Peter are popular on the surface in Russia.

>>519230399
>Though a lot of Romanovs like Peter are popular on the surface in Russia.
Mixed feelings I suppose. They celebrate Peter for his victory over us in the great northern war but they also dislike him for things like aboloshing the Boyar duma and they resent other Romanovs like Alexis for e.g. persecuting the Old Believers.

>>519228230
>anal manuvering
Are you a pidor or something? Why're you thinking about some anal maneuvers?

>>519230107
>was more trad or whatever they would still maniacally hate the west with a passion
It would help if the west would stop its aggressive expansionist wars against Russia, instead of changing their own window dressings.

>>519205935 (OP)
>completely lying about the numbers
ukraine had the highest number of deaths overall and russia the lowest, with khazakstan in the middle. why are russians such faggots who lie about everything?

>>519231249
Kazakhstan has the highest relative to population

>>519231132
It would help if you stopped overdosing on the drug called history and you stopped stewing in perpetual resentment and grudge. I hold that against your neighbouring antagonists as well so do not even bother deflecting your own mental issues towards those that merely share them with you in antagonism towards you.
Its basically that you WANT to keep this going. Not that you HAVE to. And ditto goes for the western dickheads that antagonize you.

>>519231367
I think you are wrong with Russians being anti western prior to the bolshevik revolution. Or resenting of the west.
Russian Empire was a rival of Britain, but it was also an ally of many western countries. I don't remember them ever being against the whole collective west like the bolsheviks were. Russian Empire even helped American Federalists in the civil war.

The anti westernism was not a thing invented out of the blue by bolsheviks either. They introduced it because the west sent aid to the white army, so the west and the bolsheviks have already been in a war before the latter even had the chance to form the government. What is special about Putin is that he managed to convert some rightists into the anti-collective-west ideology.

>>519231367
>Bro historic resentment and grudge

>Russia and Georgia have OK relationships until 2008
>Westoid retards see this, persuade Georgians to kill Russian peacekeepers because they might get their clay back
>Arm and train their armed forces to make them think they have a chance.
>Russia has to disarm the uppity Georgians in a war.
>In 2025, European diplomats are throwing molotovs at new Georgian government because it doesnt want to go to war with Russia again.

>Until 2014, Russia and Ukraine have good relations, Ukrainians get free gas and visa-free entry into Russia.
>Westoid retards see this and go mad, start a revolution that involves shootings in the streets and bombings of Ukrainian cities
>2025, Western weapon operators help Ukraine launch rockets into Russia

>Russia sells gas to Germany for mutual profit
>Westoid retards see this and blow it the fuck up, causing germans to have shortages.
>In 2025, American president demands of Germany to just stop buying Russian gas and heat homes with timber.

>Russia sells energy to India for mutual profit
>American president declares trade war upon India, demanding they stop buying Russian oil and gas, or they sanction them

>Russia sells energy to China for mutual profit
>American president declares trade war upon China, demanding they stop buying Russian oil and gas.

>Russia asks to join NATO
>Get told fuck off
>Russia asks to join NATO again
>Get told to destroy their arms industry or fuck off
>Russia agrees to allow NATO to use its airports for Afghanistan layovers
>NATO refuses to let them join again.

100% of wars Russia has been involved in since its founding in 1991 was financed or ran by western countries or western intel agencies.

>>519231984
This is also true

>>519231651
>I think you are wrong with Russians being anti western prior to the bolshevik revolution. Or resenting of the west.
Learn to differentiate between the Romanovs and their resentful subjects.
>Russian Empire was a rival of Britain, but it was also an ally of many western countries. I don't remember them ever being against the whole collective west like the bolsheviks were. Russian Empire even helped American Federalists in the civil war.
Again this was just Romanov policy meddling in western affairs.
>The anti westernism was not a thing invented out of the blue by bolsheviks either. They introduced it because the west sent aid to the white army, so the west and the bolsheviks have already been in a war before the latter even had the chance to form the government. What is special about Putin is that he managed to convert some rightists into the anti-collective-west ideology.
But one thing about the Bolshevik revolution that sort of convolutes both my own and your take is that it was partially funded and enabled by western powers.
Its more that Lenin and Stalin symbolizes an uprising in Russia against western influence (the Romanovs). In practical terms the Bolsheviks were practically put into power in Russia by western (early lifers mostly albeit) designs. Basically Wilson (really Jacob Schiff though) and the Kaiser both made sure (while those two were at war with each other convoluting the whole mess further) that the Bolsheviks first overthrew the tsar and then started backing the whites against the reds in the civil war. But it was some French guy that betrayed Kolchak to the reds in the end anyway. And then when the Bolsheviks went around looting churches and such all over Russia it was western bankers (like Olof Aschberg here in Sweden) that tailed along taking with them icons and other valuables back to the West (some are still displayed in museums).
to be cont.

>>519205935 (OP)
I read this twice but for some strange reason I couldnt find any mention of jews

>>519232566
The white army wasn't backstabbed. It was sent 250k soldiers and most modern weapons which is huge and probably prolonged the civil war by at least a year if not two. The weapons were so crucial that Lenin said "without the help from the tsarist military officers, we would not win"

>>519232766
>Stalin
>Communists
>Internationalists
Sorry they're not allowed to use 'kike bastards' on official embassy account.

>>519205935 (OP)
>we didn't actually aim to genocide you, we're just monumentally stupid and we had even more people die from it
>so, like... we cool, right?
and then they're appalled no one wants to be their satellite state

>>519232948
>We
That wasn't posted by a Georgian embassy.

>>519231651
Further convoluting things because the whole "Germans sent Lenin into Russia and western profiteers stole our shit" is a talking point Kremlin shills paradoxically sometimes brings up which sort of obfuscates how they otherwise still celebrate other parts of the Soviet era.
Its true that Putin sticks out as the one that finally managed to convert some western right wingers into fifth columns here though.
>>519231984
Of course its true that western assholes did everything you just greentexted but some of your long greentext are also lies by omission. Like the whole Ukraine and Georgia had good relations with you before ebil west started meddling. You leave out that those "good" (it was more abusive on your part towards them really) relations were only possible because you had your puppets in place there until you did not. And I do blame the West for meddling and throwing fuel on the fire. But this song and dance you constantly pull were you can never admit that you might have been an abusive prick to your neighbours several times is asinine and tiresome. Which is your point. Because you belong to a subset (sadly the majority it seems) of the Russian population that do not want good will and relations with the west long term. This is just the song and dance you pull when someone like me is putting you to task rhetorically. So you try to high road it like this with a petty and spiteful "well we tried that but you made sure it could not work so blame yourself" take. But I see through you and Putin. Just like I see through Zelensky, the EU and Washington.

>>519205935 (OP)
Most of this is known to everyone who knew about it before 2014. Whats wrong is that it wasn't intentional, if you continue to seize the food of people you know are starving its intentional even if it wasn't planned in advance, which it was.

Stalin and yakov yakovlev (jewish minister of agriculture) debilerately did it to depopulate the black soil belt, which goes across eastern Ukraine and southern Russia. It was a genocide, both to better control resources and driven by loxist hatred of the white slavic populations of the Russian empire, who until the 30s they hated even more than Germans.

Post 2014 its used as propaganda by government of ukraine, with them claiming it to be done by Russians (false) against Ukrainians specifically (untrue).

>>519233283
No I mean he converted Russian right wingers to be anti west. Prior to the Soviet collapse the Russian right wingers thought of the west as an ally and before the bolshevik revolution they had a love/hate relationship with the west depending on the country.

>>519233283
>Bro granting these states independence is so abusive!
>Free gas for Ukraine? ABUSIVE!
>Preventing Georgians from genociding Ossetians by keeping a small peacekeeper detachment on site?
>ABUSIVE!

>Now taking Ukraine over by western-funded militias, that shot people in the streets with sniper rifles? That's kosher.
>Deposing an elected president 6 months before an election, in which he wont run? Kosher
>The same president, whose election was certified fair by UN? Fuck him
>Promising Ukrainians visa-less entry in EU, and then, in 2025, deporting Ukrainian refugees (who had to get visas) back to Ukraine to get conscripted into a war? Kosher.
Kill yourself.

>>519232790
Revisionism. Pure revisionism. And you completely disregarded my ultimate point that it was in fact westerners in his own ranks that backstabbed Kolchak in the end and sold him out to the reds. You may argue that it occurred at a point where the reds had all but already won but thats debatable.

>>519233752
Yes at that point the reds had 5 million people and whites 1 million. It is not revisionism. You can look up all of these things online. The 250k, the lenin quote ...

>>519233522
The Russian right wingers he did not violently supress you mean?
Putin is basically the authoritarian centrist meme irl.
>>519233598
Again you are not arguing in good faith. Because you do not even want to. I actually do. But you make it hard with your constant self-glorifying propaganda.
You and nafo clowns on reddit are the same picture to me and you deserve each other. Thats all I have left to say to your ilk.

>>519233283
Ah I understand now.
>100% of wars Russia has been involved in since its founding in 1991 was financed or ran by western countries or western intel agencies.
You have no way to refute that, you simply know that it is true.

And you like that, you like when Russians are attacked at their borders. Georgians, Ukrainians, whoever else. They don't matter to you. Abuses inflicted to them by westerners don't even register with you.

Which brings me back to this point.
>It would help if the west would stop its aggressive expansionist wars against Russia, instead of changing their own window dressings.

And if you disagree with that, you should kill yourself.

>>519234191
These are all facts, stated in good faith. You cannot refute them, that's why you resort to rhetoric. Where's the good faith you claim to have? Kill yourself.

>>519234191
He repressed racialists. He however allowed monarchists just fine because monarchists get along with other ethnicities and therefore cannot be used by the west to create a destabilizing race war within Russia.

>>519233969
Because western corporate capital had been pouring into the reds even more than the ammount you cite the whites received. Couple that with not just giving Kolchak up to the reds but all other kinds of internal sabotage for the whites that western expeditionary forces had been engaging in thruoughout the civil war.

>>519234416
The reds had shitty equipment. They outnumbered the whites by several factors but just barely won and took huge casualties. By all accounts the bolsheviks were lacking in strategic resources despite having more control over the government. You are most likely confusing the aid to Kerensky with Lenin or you are confusing the NEP.

>>519234355
Really?
>Bro granting these states independence is so abusive!
You did not grant them independence. You desperately tried to stop them gaining it.
>Free gas for Ukraine? ABUSIVE!
Another lie by omission.
>Preventing Georgians from genociding Ossetians by keeping a small peacekeeper detachment on site?
Self glorification and revisionism.
>And you like that, you like when Russians are attacked at their borders. Georgians, Ukrainians, whoever else. They don't matter to you. Abuses inflicted to them by westerners don't even register with you.
No. I do not like that. And unlike you I am truthful and sincere when I say.
I do not like the concept of either a "west" or an "east" whatsoever. THAT is what is causing this. And you are BOTH to blame. The end.

>>519234651
I am not confusing anything. Jacob Schiff, Olof Aschberg and Armand Hammer built the red army.

>>519234830
expecting a honest debate with a Russian is like expecting toilet manners from a jeet, the fact some of you people still bother shows the depth of historical unfamiliarity

>>519235050
>"Schiff's gripe against Russia had been its anti-Semitism. At home Schiff had never shown any sympathy for socialism, not even the milder Morris Hillquit variety. Schiff had declared victory for his purposes in Russia after the tsar was toppled in March 1917 and Alexander Kerensky, representing the new provisional government, had declared Jews to be equal citizens. In addition to repeated public statements of support, he used both his personal wealth and the resources of Kuhn Loeb to float large loans to Kerensky's regime. When Lenin and Trotsky seized power for themselves in November 1917, Schiff immediately rejected them, cut off further loans, started funding anti-Bolshevist groups, and even demanded that the Bolsheviks pay back some of the money he'd loaned Kerensky

>>519234830
>You did not grant them independence. You desperately tried to stop them gaining it.
This is literally false, all of their petitions to resign from USSR were signed by Kremlin, in 100% of cases ceding all military and other assets located in their borders to them without conflict.

The rest is total fucking lies, insipid bullshit invented by a warmongering westard.

>>519235164
Yes I am well aware of that cover story and alibi from Schiff. Now do Armand Hammer and Olof Aschberg next.
The hard fact is that Schiff still bankrolled Trotsky and got him from New York to Petrograd in the first place.

>>519235156
Polish Border Guard routinely catch people trying to flee Ukraine and turn them in to draft officers. These people exercise their only possible way of protest against the war, and the eternal Pole feeds them right into it with no remorse.

And then that pole comes on 4chan and talks to me about 'toilet manners'.

>>519205935 (OP)
>more Russian peasants dies
That's it. The Holomodor was as fake and gay as the Holocaust.

>>519235368
At the time Trotsky was not a bolshevik. He joined the party at the last minute which is what eventually lead to mistorust in him and his execution.
At least the Aschberg you chose appears to be an actual leftist who spent his money financing cooperatives and other form of public property. But nowhere can I find any evidence that he gave the USSR free money or what the amount was, nor the comparison with the money and resources that the white army received.

>>519205935 (OP)
You don't need to defend bolsheviks just because they claimed to be from Russia. They killed 100 million real Russians.

>>519208934
>pilpul

>>519205935 (OP)
Fun fact.
Eastern parts of Poland, which Ukraine stole later (Lwow and Galicia) also had a famine in the 1930s and you can find articles about it in polish newspapers from that era.

>>519235713
Nobody's defending them, it's a statement in recognition of other victims.

It's just holodomor, as a concept, is Ukrainians trying to hoard this tragedy all to themselves.

Just like Holocaust is exclusively jewish tragedy, everyone knows 6 gorillion, but all the dead poles and shit dont matter.

>>519235713
Everyone in the Russian government traces their authority from the bolsheviks. It would be impossible for Putin to exist if it wasn't for the revolution.
That and your figure is physically impossible (the tweet directly states the death toll is 10M)

This was the mainstream stance until the war happened. I don't like that we have to make up genocides to paint people as evil. Isn't it already obvious that Putler is in the wrong for this war? Why retroactively invent some bullshit to have a blood feud over.
Buy silver and gold
Buy rope

>>519235156
They are not all like that. Lots of dishonesty on both ends of this whole information war. I am not going to bother deciding who is worse. All I know is that its all sickening.
>all of their petitions to resign from USSR were signed by Kremlin, in 100% of cases ceding all military and other assets located in their borders to them without conflict.
Everyone who knows what actually went on in the 1990s knows you are an utter liar right now.
>The rest is total fucking lies, insipid bullshit invented by a warmongering westard.
So thinking the west is also to blame for all of this somehow makes me a "warmongering westard"?
I am done with this now. Playing wordgames with your ilk is zero sum.

>>519235713
Actually they killed 200 million Russians.

>>519235903
>Everyone who knows what actually went on in the 1990s knows you are an utter liar right now.
That's why you're not saying what actually went down.

You're still not refusing anything I say, you literally just spam
>liar liar liar liar
with no substance.

Kill yourself.

>>519235573
What does it even matter if he were a menshevik or bolshevik at any given time?
Its just semantics that Schiff withdrew support for Lenin and Trotsky at one point. Its also semantics to argue who really did receive more funding from the west. One thing that can not be argued is that Lenin and Trotsky and other high ranking bolsheviks had swiss and american bank accounts.

>>519236174
It matters because Schiff was not a leftist and hated socialism. He would probably suspport Trump if he lived today. Does Trump seem like a bolshevik to you?

>>519235807
>Ukraine stole later
It never belonged to Poland either. Poland is a fake nation, probably invented by a few pedophile aristocrats out of boredom.

>>519235833
You don't even sound Japanese.

>>519235983
And you are just spamming old self glorifying talking points which are all Kremlin sourced.
But why I am I still wasting words on you? You are not here to argue. You are here to shill.

>>519205935 (OP)
meh
I've been saying this before the war
And i think putin is a fucking kike, mass murderer of whites

>>519236303
Again he still very much supported Trotsky at one point. And Trotsky was an outspoken prominent socialist no matter if he was not technically a bolshevik before the revolution.
Again you are arguing semantics and splitting hairs just because you can and want to.

>>519236440
>And you are just spamming old self glorifying talking points which are all Kremlin sourced.
No these are all actual factual fucking historic events. You still haven't refuted a single one. I took a shit at all of your talking points including 'historic grudges'.

And you're a warmonger piece of shit because you invent reasons why Russia is to blame for westoids waging wars against it on its border. Stop the victim blaming and kill yourself.

>>519205935 (OP)
NYT said there's no famine
TRUST THE EXPERTS

>>519205935 (OP)
so can these fucking retards kill each other already so the rest of the world can be free of their faggot retarded shit?

>>519236600
>he said in private
How is it known what he said in private? It by definition cannot be

>>519236568
No one is forcing Zelensky to send millions of Holols to die for globohomo.

>>519235833
Walter Durante won a Pulitzer price for actively covering the Holodomor up for Stalin as it was happening back in the 1930s.

>>519236588
>And you're a warmonger piece of shit because you invent reasons why Russia is to blame for westoids waging wars against it on its border.
Again you obstinately choose to ignore that I do also blame the West equally as much as I blame the Kremlin for this putrid mess we are all in now.

>>519236829
Why were the Anglos so eager to defend Stalin?

>>519205935 (OP)
they’re making it sound less bad than it really was but it’s broadly correct. it was a combination of jewish communist class war, incompetent communist planning, and freak weather conditions in the form of a horrible drought. ukrainians being targeted by russians on the basis of ethnicity simply wasn’t something that happened

>>519236908
No I do not ignore it, I simply continuously point out that you downplay the heinous crimes of genocidal west by inventing reasons why Russia would deserve it or be to blame for west-created wars.

Hence why you should quit victim-blaming and kill yourself.

>>519205935 (OP)
>1pbtid
>the truth
there are literal photographs of soviet troops confiscating grain

>>519205935 (OP)
except ukranian farmers had some crops still, and stored grains. then communists sent in soldiers and took every bit of grain they had to distribute to others starving. resulting in millions of ukranians starving that wouldnt have if they didnt have their grains confiscated by the state. not that crazy of a story to understand, and i dont care but i think people should get what happened right.

>>519205935 (OP)
**The image contains multiple misleading or inaccurate claims about the Holodomor.** Here's a concise fact check of each point:

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### Fact Check of Each Claim

1. **True** – *Ukraine experienced mass famine and millions died*.
2. **Partially true** – *Famine also hit Russia and Kazakhstan*, but Ukraine suffered disproportionately in terms of policy severity and demographic impact.
3. **Misleading** – *Death counts vary by region and methodology*; comparing raw numbers ignores targeted policies in Ukraine.
4. **Misleading** – *Kazakhstan had high death rates*, but Ukraine's famine was uniquely tied to political repression and grain requisitioning.
5. **False** – *Ukrainian peasants bore the brunt of starvation*, especially in grain-producing regions.
6. **True but incomplete** – *Cities were less affected*, partly due to state-controlled food distribution favoring urban centers.
7. **Partially true** – *Collectivization and grain policies were major causes*, but these were politically enforced and not merely agricultural experiments.
8. **False** – *Soviet policies intentionally worsened conditions in Ukraine*, including travel bans and punitive grain quotas.
9. **False** – *The famine was reported in the 1930s*, and the term "Holodomor" gained prominence later, but the event was not invented in the 1980s.
10. **Disputed** – *Many scholars and over 30 countries recognize the Holodomor as genocide*, though some debate remains.

---

**Sources:**
[Wikipedia – Holodomor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor)
[Britannica – Holodomor](https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor)
[National Museum of the Holodomor-Genocide](https://holodomormuseum.org.ua/en/the-history-of-the-holodomor/)
>>519208130
selling is from modern Day samachablo Georgia
they call it south Ossetia now after 2008

>millions of Holols died
>barely shows up in the graphs

>>519236738
He also reported it to the British Embassy. You sidestepped that.

>>519237114
You forgot to attach them to this here IMAGE board, huh?

>>519208246
>>519208246
Stalin most certainly wasn't a Jew, but he definitely thought badly of them, for example, the doctor's plot he was referring to rootless cosmopolitans. I don't think that he was referring to the Russian people he was referring to Jewish people and he was saying that the Jewish doctors were going to poison the top brass of the Soviet Union now I know that he was some retarded fagot, but let's just stop here for a second and realize that he was killed shortly thereafter

also, Russia still contains the only other location known on Earth right now with a complete Jewish Homeland narrative. that would be the Jewish autonomous oblast

>>519237165
>47pbtid
lol

these are the images.
no doubt kreml bot will say hurbur this doesn't prove stuffs. idc. im immune to his propaganda
https://education.holodomor.ca/educational-resources-list/photo-gallery/historical-photographs-of-the-holodomor/

I can't really trust Russia because the whole Jewish autonomous oblast. it just seems impossible to actually look to somebody and be like you know. absolutely. you guys are based in red pills yet you have the only other location that's called a Jewish Homeland in your country and the only defense I keep hearing is that no Jews live there. so why the fuck don't you just change the name

are they that powerful that they don't even need to live there and they can still call it the Jewish land and you guys just sit there and fucking accept it

>>519237534
like I hate to be that annoying guy that says that. but I mean there's just simply fucking no way that you guys don't give a fuck about Jews yet. at the same time you leave something called the Jewish autonomous oblast. I just don't give a fuck, that is fucking nonsense in many other places have already been renamed all across Ukraine. why don't you guys do that to the Jewish oblast eh?

>>519205935 (OP)

> we didnt kill on purpose we’re just retarded

Best defence of communism yet mounted.

>>519237259
Where are the photos, Ahmed?

>>519237023
I do not downplay shit.
I think all of recorded history is tragic and wretched. There. What else is there left for me to even say to you? Because I will not say sorry to a thug hypocritically calling others a thug.
I hate the so called "west". I actually live in it. But I would not like to live in Putinstan either. At least I have a little more space left to spake my mind over here.
I have no illusions about anything or anyone anymore. I wish I never existed in such a shit world as this full of shitty people like both western criminals and deranged russians like you who take anything you claim the west is guilty of whether its true (a lot of it is true) or just hyperbole (alot of it is also hyperbole) on your part and I wish I had the spine to kill myself. Is that enough for you? Does that soothe you? I know you guys tend to be into entropy, nihilism and misanthropy a lot. I am too. I dare say I surpass you at it.

>>519237728
You guys are just as occupied if not more occupied and probably are the fucking same Jews that want to take over America. Russian Jews are always the worst Jews, Yes, worse than Germany absolutely worse than Germany. you guys are the nkvd type

ashkenazic Jews even look a little bit differentthan urs

>>519237794
The West is being fucked by Jews, the east was already fucked by Jews minus China and they are DEFINITELY on the kikedar

in fact, the very smartest thing China could do is not only completely condemned Jews but be the one group of people across the planet that do it because they have the largest numbers and suddenly everybody would think they are based as fuck

>>519237902
Arabs and Indians are never going to be based

but if the Asians if these motherfuckers start attacking them, we all know that that would be fucking based as fuck

>>519205935 (OP)
nigga please if the russians aren't lying about stuff they probably haven't had their coffee yet. they're like the kid with chocolate all round his mouth that says no sir i didn't eat the candy bar

>>519208030
>>519207645

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>>519237911
>>519237911
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>>519237794
Repeat after me.

>West's aggression against Russia is unjustified and should not happen.
>Russia does not deserve to be assailed by western mercenaries and spies at it's border.
>Russia has no obligation to behave in any specific way in hopes of avoiding west's aggression against it.
>Russia did not provoke western aggression in any way
>Russia's neighbors are not tools to be made into kamikazis against Russia.

Once you're through this, then we can talk about 'good faith'.

Russnigger almost up to one whole dollar in payments

>>519205935 (OP)
Shut up tranny

>>519238072
>West's aggression against Russia is unjustified and should not happen.
You taking what certain criminals do to provoke you on "collective west" in apocalyptic, pathological, spiteful, obstinate, fuckheaded dumbassery is unjustified and should not happen.
>Russia does not deserve to be assailed by western mercenaries and spies at it's border.
And here is that legendary paranoia of yours again.
>Russia has no obligation to behave in any specific way in hopes of avoiding west's aggression against it.
Lunacy. You simply mean to say that you expect to be given cart blanche for being insane because you still want to be an empire and get mad when others around do not agree with that notion and calls in ebil west to help stop you in your tracks.
Note that I do not mean to say that I condone of the West just because I say this about you. Learn to read and think. Because I despise all empires. Including the Swedish one that once existed. I harbor no resentment over Russia ending it because I am not a disphit civic nationalist aroused by christcuck and/or early
modern constructs or concepts.
>Russia did not provoke western aggression in any way
Its not western aggression. Thats just a buzzword you conjured to make yourself look like the victim.
>Russia's neighbors are not tools to be made into kamikazis against Russia.
Because they should be your tools used as toilet paper and kamikazis against the west instead, right?
STOP. FUCKING. PLAYING. THE. VICTIM. ASSHAT!
Then we can talk again. Then and only then. When you stop being an unreasonable and deranged fucking idiot.
Now eteranally shut the fuck up and eternally get out of my fucking sight and ear canal until you finally decide that you do not want to be retarded anymore!

>>519205935 (OP)
So is Stalins fault. Then why did Putin at starting of war condemned Ukraine for not not keping Stalins statues.

>>519239157
It is not Russia's job to differentiate which of the westards assail it, especially given that all westards are in defensive or economic alliances, so any given 'criminal' act is with 100% certainty actually an intelligence operation directed from multi-national fusion cell with a token American or Brit advisor.

Either way, all of these things were simple facts, not topics for debate.
Denying Russia freedom from being assailed by western mercenaries and spies at it's border with
>ur just paranoid lol
is another hallmark of you being a victim-blaming warmonger who should kill himself.

>STOP. FUCKING. PLAYING. THE. VICTIM. ASSHAT!
Or what, it makes you feel bad that you're part of the machine that is the great satan?

>>519239595
>It is not Russia's job to differentiate which of the westards assail it, especially given that all westards are in defensive or economic alliances, so any given 'criminal' act is with 100% certainty actually an intelligence operation directed from multi-national fusion cell with a token American or Brit advisor.
This is your brain on propaganda and paranoia. And drugs. A drug called history in particular. You can not let it go. You do now want to. Your own expansionism clashes with the aspirations of the thugs in e.g. Brussels, London or Washington. You deserve each other. I hate you both. Let me stress that in caps. I HATE YOU BOTH! GET THAT THROUGH YOUR DEMENTED FUCKING SHIT FOR BRAINS ALREADY!
>Either way, all of these things were simple facts, not topics for debate.
I agree. There is no use discussing anything with anyone as shit for brains as you.
>Denying Russia freedom from being assailed by western mercenaries and spies at it's border with
You mean your freedom to end the freedom of others? Yeah fuck you too. Reap what you sow.
>is another hallmark of you being a victim-blaming warmonger who should kill himself.
You are not the victim.
>Or what, it makes you feel bad that you're part of the machine that is the great satan?
I hate that machine. You are part of another machine I hate just as much at this point.
YOU SHALL REAP WHAT YOU HAVE SOWN!