Thread 519225155

If an immigrant comes to a country and works, he is producing more than he consumes, otherwise he wouldn’t be hired. The only way you get a job in the private sector is if you produce more aggregate value for your employer than you cost to him.

Everytime you spend money, you are giving the seller of the item something of greater worth than the product he is selling, otherwise he wouldn’t sell it to you. Value is created there too.

When immigrants come in and and works, they are providing value to the country and every economic principle will tell you this.

Even if they repatriate the money back to their home country, their home countries currency brokers will swap your currency for their local currency by trading it with somebody who will buy your country’s goods or invest in your country. So it just pushes the consumption aspect down the line a little.

>>519225155 (OP)
As long as he is black and fucks my wife, I don't mind!

it is based how the West brain drains India so hard and keeps it poor and shitty

The real issue is unemployment. There's jobs for everybody, just lower the wages.

>>519225155 (OP)
Immigrants just supress wages and make rents higher.
An economy should serve its people not the other way around.
Immigrants solely benefit corporations in suppressing class mobility.

>>519226033

Stop replying to these bots.

>>519225155 (OP)
And when that immigrant pays 0 taxes, uses every government handout, and sends money back to his home country, and brings the whole extended family in to expand the scam, how does that affect the balance, you disgusting shitstain?

>>519225352
Exactly, in a free market wages adjust accordingly and this keeps prices low

>>519226033
>>519226293
Immigrants boost GdP which skyrockets wages.

Whites wont even have enough money to have their own kids without a proper economy if you cut off immigrants.

>>519226689
He pays all the tax, gets no handouts, and sending money back to his own country just boosts our export market

>>519226754
But prices are just going up

>>519225155 (OP)
What are you doing out of the oven?

>>519227106
Exactly which is why we need to bring back capitalism

>>519225271
Doing God's work anon

>>519227809
But the prices have been going up faster since we started importing millions of people per year

Wrong. Often the work of one white worker is broken down to be filled by multiple nonwhites (this was standard for the Big 3 in Mexico) because they're paid so little being down right inefficient personnel-wise still works. Please do not start a thread unless you understand the topic.

>>519225155 (OP)
So... Immigrants are good for employers...
What about all the immigrants on benefits?
54% of immigrant households require benefits to survive...
Doesn't that suggest that they are just cheap labour. In fact so cheap that they can't even live on the cheap labour wages they are paid?

The British East india company were doing jobs that the locals were refused to do, it boosted the economy they brought a really nice diamond back to their island.

>>519225155 (OP)
It depends. Any person no matter how productive still needs housing and a social safety net plus healthcare. That drags down the entire system. It is just to say that these restrictions are entirely self imposed but it’s harder to change a law than to prevent an immigrant from coming. Governments take the path of least resistance and restrict immigration as they see fit, or they can do the opposite and actively encourage it if it makes sense fiscally. Any externalities like crime or housing affordability are secondary at best. If you stop being poor you can avoid facing the downside of foreign immigration. And if you can’t stop being poor maybe you should sue your parents for being poor when they gave birth to you.

>>519225155 (OP)
Fuck off Beargger

>>519225155 (OP)
yeah thats all well and good but all these cunts are just here for greedy kikes so they dont have to pay the natives a normal wage. OP is a stinking shit eating jeet until proven to be a fuck ugly goblin jew.

>>519226800
shit in your hand and eat, ranjeet

>>519226800
>skyrockets wages
Immigrant boost to the gdp has increasingly diminishing returns, as they bring over their entire families of dependents with them, meanwhile the increased supply of workers is tanking wages much faster than gdp increases

>>519225155 (OP)
I am not "the economy", I am enslaved in this federal reserve usury theft system. I want a nation of my own kind, my people, my culture, my neighbors. Then we the people thrive and prosper, and not a devilish usury theft "economy" of which I have no part of.

Rocks off! Hey ladies. Is that your daughter? She's coming along nicely. I just wanted to bring to your attention that our new erotica AI services for your children to jailbreak is just about ready so if you could continue to peddle our message a little while longer that would be great.

>>519227106
Nice 1.

>>519226800

>SAAAR I PRAY TO GODDESS SHEEVA FOR SAFE PASSAGE TO THE US SAAAAAR, NOOOOO DO NOT DEPOOOOORTT SSAAAR PLEEEEEEASE, I DO NOT WISH TO GO BACK TO THE POOOO LAND SAAAAAAAAAAR.

>>519225155 (OP)
Stop worshipping the economy. It’s not worth having an economy without having a country without your own people.

>>519227953
Because government spending and monetary expansion has also increased.

>>519228104
You have zero understanding of economics and should be embarassed

>>519228117
It means we should abolish the welfare state asap. If they can’t afford to live they will self deport or starve

>>519228155
Exactly.

>>519228220
Why do they need social Saftey net? That’s only for literal retards and they should be booted off anyway

>>519228287
Yet they’re why the whites have high wages

>>519228439
Not if you only let in workers and then work them to the bone.

And higher supply of workers means higher productivity which boosts wages

>>519225155 (OP)
No, they're hired because they work for peanuts on the dollar. I don't want to see browns, don't care if they're "helping the economy." The economy is fucked anyways, you retards don't realize that you're just propping it up a little longer and you're going to be the scapegoats when it all comes crashing down. Tptb need an easy target to steer whitey towards when it crashes, and fecaloids will be the easiest target of all so be ready poopdeep. They don't want us coming after the actual perpetrators.

>>519228768
That's not why housing prices have been increasing at all. The rate things are going up are not proportional to the monetary expansion either.

>>519229180
>work for peanuts

Ah so they’re more productive, they produce more relative to their cost.

Thanks for proving my point

>>519229215
In the case of housing it’s because of red tape and regulation that prevents the expansion of new units

Low-wage unskilled migrants who don't integrate and bring their obnoxious rapey unhygienic backwards castist rude bullshit with them, rot businesses they work at from the inside->out, and typically work in shitty retarded uninnovative and uncompetitive businesses that rely on cutting costs (underpayment or just shit wages) as their only way to grow

Is jeet shit.

>>519230097
That's also just wrong. It's not possible to just whip out another quarter million units when the industry was producing a fifth of that before. That's not even addressing how overrun every other aspect of the public service is.
I am done arguing with you assuming you aren't trolling.

>>519225155 (OP)
You are the worst kind of neoliberal obscurantist

>>519230374
>its not even possible to build more units

2/10 bait

Thanks for showing your flag though because I can unironcially report you to the Feds for what you said in this thread

> Even if they repatriate the money back to their home country, their home countries currency brokers will swap your currency for their local currency by trading it with somebody who will buy your country’s goods or invest in your country. So it just pushes the consumption aspect down the line a little.

They can't afford to import anything from your first-world country and they'll dump your currency whenever it rises at all because a small rise in your currency buys a heap more in their local currency, hence suppressing your currency

>>519230582
Report this cocksucker
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>>519230848
Literally a federal felony what you just said

>>519230838
Ok so where will they dump the currency? Who will buy the currency from them?

Why would their Indian families back home want the currency if they never plan to buy anything with it?

Immigration is bad for the donor and the host country

Donor
>brain drain
>loss of young people in particular
>remittance dependence
>inflation due to remittance

Host
>suppress local wages
>removes incentive for domestic training
>removes incentive for domestic birth rate
>lowers housing supply
>infrastructure has not kept up with population size
>disorder, crime, lowered social cohesion
>fifth columns

The only "people" that benefit are corpos

>>519230973
Cry about it NIGGER

I really really don't want to do manual labor

>>519231081
It’s bad for the country that loses the immigrant but it skyrockets wages in the country that takes them in, assuming they work

>>519231167
Then embrace immigration

>>519231017
> Ok so where will they dump the currency?

Hmm good question bro, it's not like there's a currency market worldwide, especially for major western currencies.

>>519225155 (OP)
This. More the better. More workers = more value = growing economy and everyone wins

>>519229012
>higher productivity which boosts wages
this is bullshit, sometimes it has, since the last 55 years, hasn't.

>>519231246
> it skyrockets wages in the country that takes them in

Greater labour market supply dilutes demand for wages. Try again.

>>519225155 (OP)
Ur retarded. First you have to assume that the tripple down economy is real.

100% of the benefit of hiring immigrants is bigger profits. More competition among workers as well. The value they make is for the elite. Explain how you get richer and not poorer from competing with shitskins.
>Ib4 muh GDP
Yea, GDP is high and higher yet ppl are poorer and poorer.

one thing I will mention is the same warehouse job that paid $18/hr last year (and employers looked at you like a thief for suggesting a higher wage) is now $22/hr.
which isn't worth breaking your back for, but keep in mind the Canada Post strike and Alberta teachers strike also has an impact on wages

>>519231102
The OP is right. The other immigrants is your price for not living in Ukraine under Russia anymore.

>>519226754
This is the most retarded jew brainwash I heard.
Wages adjust to go down when you have more competition between workers, it devalues work.
More labour available the less valueable it is. Goods do not get cheaper, to the contrary, there is higher competition among consumers not less. You are so fucking retarded or you are disingenuous and pretend supply and demand doesn't apply to the value of labour as well.

>>519226839
>sending money back to his own country just boosts our export market
You're just making up bullshit to try and justify your disgusting brown skin polluting our once beautiful country. Fuck off

>>519231489
Yeah bros, everyone knows that big corporates and bottomfeeder businesses want what's best for YOU. Everyone wins! Business is winning, migrants are winning, and YOU are winning! Everything gets better for ALL of you! The economy totally cares about you so you need to care about it!

>>519228439
You actually buy into the GDP go upp? Kys
Ur retarded. GDP means nothing in the west. It's only up to a certain point where GDP per capita matters. After that point it's utterly garbage metric.
Ppl on wellfare increase GDP as well, since they get free gibs and then spend it.
Immigrants working do not contribute to GDP, it is immigrants spending the money and affording debt which increases GDP.
Most in the west are up to their necks with debt and can't take more loans. Immigrants can.

>>519225155 (OP)
Here's a tip, get the fuck away from me

>>519230059
That reduces GDP retard.

>>519232111
You fell for the psyops.
This must be a Canadian attempt to psyop amerikanski to not want to take over Canada.

>>519225155 (OP)
>If an immigrant comes to a country and works, he is producing more than he consumes,
This is plainly false. I've met many hard-working (probably illegal) immigrants, but I've also seen many more who come here as refugees on the dole. They don't work.

But even for the ones that work, how much do they cause the cost of rent and food to rise? Collectively quite alot. The benefits of the tax revenue do not exceed the increased cost of living, and that's even before we take into consideration how little of that tax revenue is put to decent use.

>>519231489
They replace workers, not add to them. You have joblessness already, you don't even have enough jobs for your own ppl. And you import more? Brilliant.
Increase the labour, increase the supply of labour without increasing the demand. Devalues labour. Same with any good. You increase the supply of pens without demand increases, cost of pens go down. Cost of labour goes down.
Lower labour less spending = lower GDP.
GDP is not increasing by making more or cheaper goods. It increases when you sell more or increase the price of goods.

>>519230059
No, because they do shit work. The only reason they're hired is because they're cheap. And quality goes down. It's not worth it in the long run. Companies are being ruined by kikes that are looking to make a bunch of money in the short term, the long term health of the company be damned.
You need to leave, no one wants you here. Why do you want to stay where you're not wanted?

>>519232568
But they’re cheap enough to offset the lower quality, so overall their net productivity is still higher.

If somebody produces 100 products but demands $100,000, but somebody else produces 50 products but demands $20k a year, the latter is still more productive

>>519232487
Ah yes let’s just not bring in immigrants so wages will crash and jobs will dissapear genius idea

>>519232368
They prevent the cost of food and rent from rising by producing food and building houses

>>519225155 (OP)
>If an immigrant comes to a country and works, he is producing more than he consumes

>>519232136
You’re incredibly uneducated

>>519231834
Ah yes everybody knows that Big Corporations want to blow up the world and kill you because you aren’t an immigrant! We live in a James Bond movie lol

>>519231782
If Indians have more CAD then they have more money to import shit

You’re blatantly lying

>>519231762
I refuse to believe someone is the uneducated and brainwashed

>>519231545
Boosting productivity boosts wages try again

>>519233250
Sounds like something some glowbug neoliberal shill would say. Not that you are.

>>519231494
That bullshit meme chart has been debunked

>>519233349
Relying on lower wages for profits kills productivity and innovation, try again

>>519225155 (OP)
MY COCK IS GOOD FOR THE ECONOMY

>>519233159
>They prevent the cost of food and rent from rising by producing food and building houses
That food is being produced regardless of their presence, dumbass. And the amount is fixed, more or less, both in the US and Canada. The amount of pork, chicken, potatoes, wheat, corn, you name it, has nothing to do with the presence of immigrants. When more people are buying a fixed amount of a good, the price rises.

And they sure as shit aren't building apartments. I read about the housing crisis in Canada (not that the US has bragging rights)... no new supply in years. Like all commie faggots, you are mentally retarded and incapable of learning even the most basic principles of economics.

>>519231381
You do realize that completely debunks your whole point lol.

Currency markets exist because people outside of countries want to import their goods.

They buy CAD because there’s people who want to import Canadian products

>>519233443
Innovation is only useful when you don’t have low wage labor. Try again.

>>519233497
I am actually embarassed reading this. I’d ask you to learn basic economics, and I still do, but if you mean what you just wrote you have piss poor education.

If you said any of that in Canada or Europe we would laugh at your lack of education.

No the quantity produced isn’t fixed, please learn basic economics

>>519233743
>I am actually embarassed reading this. I’d ask you to learn basic economics,
Like, if the supply is fixed, more people demanding that supply cause prices to rise?

Food supplies are, to the largest degree, fixed. They don't go find another 10 million acres to plant potatoes, or spin up another 50,000 feed lots to double the number of hogs. Nor are yields doubling.

In Canada, the powers that be want a population of 100 million. They're going to import 60 million more jeets. Prices will rise, even more catastrophically than they already have.

As for housing, have you seen them building millions of apartment buildings any time in the last two decades?

You're a filthy jeet liar. The word "truth" has no meaning to you, it is beyond your comprehension. You wipe your ass with your hands, and then dribble water on them and pretend that they're clean. You shit in the street. You rape monitor lizards.

>>519225155 (OP)
>If an immigrant comes to a country and works, he is producing more than he consumes, otherwise he wouldn’t be hired.
Retard level understanding. Just naive.
>you produce more aggregate value for your employer than you cost to him.
Especially if the costs are externalized to the taxpayers.
>Everytime you spend money, you are giving the seller of the item something of greater worth than the product he is selling
Retard level of economics.
>otherwise he wouldn’t sell it to you.
High school economic theory level of understanding.
>When immigrants come in and and works, they are providing value to the country and every economic principle will tell you this.
The mafia provides value. We need positive long term growth that's sustainable and doesn't harm locals.
>Even if they repatriate the money back to their home country
Happens extensively.
>somebody who will buy your country’s goods or invest in your country.
Rarely happens.
>pushes the consumption aspect down the line a little.
Excess immigration wrecks the economy causing significant problems in the country.

>>519225155 (OP)
our economies are good, which is why you shitskins fight tooth and nail to leach off them. browns lower wages. that is all.

>>519225155 (OP)
Push pedal delivery drivers are necessary for the GDP growth SAR!

>>519232310
i would invade canada if i can use them as slaves, otherwise i don't want them

>>519233536
>>519233657
Care to explain? You've been wrong about everything this entire thread. Is it that I don't understand, or rather that I'm just not on-board?

>>519231762
Why do we have unemployment? Because wages are kept high for a few select jobs by eliminating low paying jobs.
Allow wages to go down and more people can be employed.

>>519234260
Food production can absolutely increase with a greater supply of input costs, one of which is labor.

And the government is building millions of housing

>>519225155 (OP)
indians are nepotistic assholes that will happily import their whole caste and just shit up the place.

>>519234325
>excess immigration wrecks economy

I don’t know how you can be this uneducated in a world with unlimited info st your fingertips.

Just know if your ever stepped foot in a classroom on a campus you’d be laughed into oblivion. Even the average dropout is more educated than you.

You have zero understanding of economics or science or history yet feel you should have the right to dictate policy

>>519225155 (OP)
I've never seen or heard immigrant build a house it consumes

we're full, fuck off

>>519234762
I have been right on every single thing and beat you on every question without trying

Immigrants are all doctors and engineers, you fucking racists! UberJeets and factory slave is a native citizens job! In SYSTEM we believe!

>>519234457
And why does your economy have high wages???

It’s because of browns, if not for us you would be earning $2/hour

>>519225303
i rather see us genocide india to keep it poor

>>519226800
You cannot point to a single example of this happening because it objectively is not true. Immigration does not benefit the domestic economy

>>519234932
You realise there are other posters in this thread for you to propagandise? If you were right about immigration helping, why not explain for everyone else how I was wrong that it hurts your currency and kills innovation?

>>519225155 (OP)
>immigrants are good for the economy
a statement so vague it falls into the same category as "rain is good for crops". yes, but how much is good? when is good? why was it even needed in the first place? the pre-emptive and follow-up questions are always ignored and there is never a quantification of this statement.
it's good for everyone at all times always? no. it mostly benefits the few at top of society.

>>519234801
>Food production can absolutely increase with a greater supply of input costs
Dumbass, you don't know what you're talking about. While yields can vary year to year due to any number of factors, it's always within a few (low single digit) percent of previous years, plus or minus. This is true for all staple crops, all livestock, everything that people eat (excepting possibly spices and luxury foods).

There is no ability to raise production beyond a few percent, and thankfully no blights that have lowered it within recent memory (though the screwfly thing in the US west is worrying).

You can look at the cattle herd size, per year, on charts Google will supply to you. There's not a single point that is half or double another single point. You can put these charts (for any food, not just beef) against immigration, and you see that immigration doesn't cause supply to rise.

Compare this to Canadian policy that wants to more than triple Canadian population in the coming years. Food's about to become much more expensive, even for you jeet invaders.

All I've said is true of both Canada and the United States, but none of you should be shocked if the same were said of Europe and Japan, either. Japan just had a shock in rice recently, but they're importing from China... wonder how that will work out for them, when their hateful enemies supply all their food to the point they stop growing it themselves.

>>519233743
You clearly don’t understand the basics of supply and demand, much less high school economics

>>519234897
When you dramatically increase the supply of a commodity (like labor) while the demand remains stagnant, what happens to the cost of that commodity?

>>519225155 (OP)
shit skins aren't good for anything.

>>519235421
>>519235534
OP is a WEF agent. Either that or up to his eyeballs in mainstream-media drivel.

>>519225155 (OP)
>he is producing more than he consumes
That's where you're wrong cuck

>>519235000
> And why does your economy have high wages??? It’s because of browns, if not for us you would be earning $2/hour.

>>519235184
Literally the U.S, the country you’re in. You can’t point to a single example of immigration hurting a place

>>519235250
Explain to me how banning immigration will help us halt automation and innovstion, I’m actually confused because blocking migrants will force more investment into automation and A.I

>>519235322
So you think if we increase the population from 40 million to 80 million, food production won’t increase to fit the population?

You’re a fucking dumbass

>>519235534
That’s not at all comparable to immigration, you have absolutely no understanding of economics or any educated topic, it’s why we hate when people like you try to influence science or economics, you know nothing about it. You don’t even know basic history

>>519233743
>oh em jeet I am actually embarassed reading this, are you for cereal, you don't even agree that immigration is good for the economy, WTF is wrong with you, don't you just love the economy bro it totally loves you, geez louise get me some pancakes lisa!

>>519225155 (OP)
The debate isn't really about whether or not they are good for the economy, and frankly.. it does not matter.

GDP is a number that doesnt indicate the economic wellbeing of our citizens, just its corporations. Every year, with each immigrant. The quality of life for you, me and your neighbors become significantly degraded with each foreign national that is transplanted here.

We can just look at basic economics. When immigration increases, L1 shifts right. This grows the overall economy however the increased labour supply applies a downward pressure on wages!

Immigration also causes inflation and etc... these immigrants are being used as modern day slaves to make your life worse. Please just think about your neighbors, family members and the people that share this country with you.

GDP does not matter!

>>519236525
Imagine your education exclusively being Fox News and daring to insult others intelligence

>>519236594
Basic economics tells you immigration skyrockets your real wage.

Your wage will have more purchasing power if prices of goods around you are of a lower price. If immigrant labor increases the quantity supplied of goods and services that you consume relative to your wage, then your wage will rise relative to available goods/services, it has increased.

If you want a higher wage, endorse immigration, it literally is basic economics

>>519236291
>So you think if we increase the population from 40 million to 80 million, food production won’t increase to fit the population?
No, dumbass. No spare acreage to increase it. Not in Canada, not in the US. It will become the era of food imports... you stinking filthy subhuman jeets are undermining the national security of the country you're living in. And you're too retarded to see it.

One day, negotiations with China will go poorly, and it will cut off the overseas supply of food. They'll run around seeing if they can source it from Indonesia or Philippines or somewhere else, and that will work for awhile, but a single typhoon or bad harvest will cause them to stop for fearing of starving their own people.

You're one of the genius immigrants I hear about, huh? Doctors and engineers and scientists? A below-average white third grader is smarter than the best of your race.

>>519236169
>>519236242
>>519236291
>>519236357

no i won't explain why i'm right, you're just le stupid because you don't agree that immigration is good for killing...err...i mean, helping
> The Economy ™©®

>>519225155 (OP)
The economy is at the bottom on the list of things that a functioning country should care about expanding

>>519236717
I'm sorry but that is not true at all. Most economists agree that gdp per capita is lowered by immigration levels.

Also, youth unemployment is terrible. Entry level jobs have contracted due to outsourcing and us using slave labour to replace our youth for lower wages.

We have a 17% youth unemployment, why on earth do we need immigrants? Why do you have so much contempt for your own country? Shouldnt we take care of our youth?

>>519237202
>Why do you have so much contempt for your own country?
It's not his country. He's a jeet.

>>519236608
>>519236608
That's right, FOX news certainly does not serve big business interests no siree, FOX news totally does not support immigrants flooding your countries with cheap unskilled foreign labour. Because FOX news is for REAL PATRIOTS - NOT for corporate megadonors!

>>519225155 (OP)
jeets in the west are merely maggots feeding on a rotting carcass

>>519237202
So you hate immigrants so much you want to keep us out even though it will skyrocket unemployment even higher than 17%? Why do you hate us so much?

Also, paying random factory workers more than Rockefeller won’t lead to prosperity if you tried to pay every worker more than Bezos you’d get hyperinflation

>>519237366
Ah yes Fox News totally wants to allow in immigrants so your wage can skyrocket! They definitely are looking out for you!

>>519237568
>So you hate immigrants so much you want to keep us out even though it will skyrocket unemployment even higher than 17%? Why do you hate us so much?
Why do you want to live somewhere you are hated, streetshitter? If ever more proof was needed, here it is: you're all a bunch of enemy invaders hellbent on perpetrating economic warfare. Just no that your haters won't be able to spare ANY of you once it starts. Not even the children.

> More people coming into your country
> More choice for employers, more competitive for employees
> Guess who employers prefer? The desperate cheap migrant who will work like a robot for cheap wages
> Every time someone migrates, it gets harder for everyone already in your country to find work. Who benefits?

>>519225155 (OP)
Immigrants are ONLY good for the economy. There are other factors beyond mere money that effect a country.

>>519237568
If there is a labour shortage from lack of immigration this benefits the overall population, unemployment will decrease when wages skyrocket from firms being desperate to hire!

Why don't you try and fix your own country? India is a growing economy with a very rapidly expanding job market!

I love you and everyone in the world but please understand what is happening and why the canadian liberal government is drastically reducing immigration now.

Also whatever you said about paying factory workers is crazy haha

>>519225155 (OP)
Bullshit old take, get with the new nwo commandments, this is what they are saying now. In reality more xenophobic = more growth

>>519237568
It worked in the past. Less people=more prosperity. Of course big corpos want big immigration, its cheap labor.

>>519237629
If FOX didn't want immigrants in...they'd promote anti-immigration, which they don't. Just because their 'base' may be anti-immigrant doesn't mean the dickheads at the top aren't pro-immigrant.

pajeets should be posting on bharatchan and living on the subcontinent

learn to recognize pajeet threads. learn to stop giving (You)s, which end up as rupees, to OPs like this. jews pay pajeets to spam this board en masse with the same globohomo agenda that you're still associating with only jews. since 2023 you are much more likely to see jew noise posted by a pajeet. there are a hundred times as many pajeets as there are jews. if you want any part of the internet to survive, you must detect, reject and redeem pajeets everywhere you find them

there was never any good reason to share a country, a language, or the internet with pajeets

>>519235534
It goes down. Literally since mass immigration started inflation has skyrocketed, rent goes up, education goes up, hospital bills go up. Liberals know this, they just want wreck demographics. It's no different that colonization. Liberals are on that old world ship, importing illegal laborers.

>>519236357
>it’s why we hate when people like you try to influence science or economics
This stuff is covered in high school economics as well as every college level economics class. You must be a jeet. Excess immigration crashes the labor market and pushes up housing costs until things are affordable. Just like Canada.

>>519236717
>Basic economics tells you immigration skyrockets your real wage.
Quite the opposite. You must be a retard or troll or jeet.

>>519236717
>If you want a higher wage, endorse immigration, it literally is basic economics
>What is supply and demand
You're trying to fund infinite demand of 3rd worlders with a limited supply of everything else, while not even having enough for the people already here.

>>519237932
If there’s a labor shortage then cost of production will skyrocket this means hyperinflation which means your wage crashes

>>519238038
It never worked, less people = economic crash and starvation

>>519238927
Learn to write

>>519239160
Yeah you never took economics. If you ever studied economics even in highschool you’d know it’s not even debated. Immigrants are objectively good for the economy. They skyrocket GDP and thus wages

>>519236717
>If immigrant labor increases the quantity supplied of goods and services that you consume relative to your wage,
Except that hasn't happened at all. You liberals forget we've already tried mass immigration, everything essential goes up in price. We don't even have enough houses for our own population, yet you're gonna make people come here to work for you. You're just adding more people to a sinking ship like those smuggler boats, when it sink we all suffer...but at least we suffer together I guess is what liberals want?

>>519239160
Actually I realize you’re a troll, nobody is this stupid.

>>519239590
>less people = economic crash and starvation
>What is the "baby boomer" generation

>>519239270
Supply and demand is the economic phenomenon that explains exactly why immigrants boost your wage. Read a book

Impressive spam from a pajeet using chatgpt for his answers. Why don't you collect some trash like a good little dalit you are, and leave this forum to fuck off back to your containment site Buttrattchan.

You got btfo'd from other threads already so you now spam threads like a good inbred gibbon monkey you are for a few rupees like a good bitch. You can wash my balls for a toonie from me, memeflaggot sisterfucker.

>>519239639
Baby boomers had the most prosperous generation in history and it coincided with a massive baby boom in new workers + immigrants… you’re literally proving my point

>>519239593
When you restrict immigration you get an economic crash. The last 100 years is proof of the failure of anti-immigration

>>519225155 (OP)
So you support their exploitation, got it.

>>519239685
Anti-immigrant parties like the PPc and your supporters got BTFO.

You guys don’t even have a seat in parliament or a spot in the debates lol. You got destroyed because you have no arguments

>>519239673
So where is the surplus? Where are all the benefits of immigration? We've tried your policy liberal, it's continually made things worse. Prices only go up, and wages go down relative to inflation. That's what we've gotten with your policies, you're book isn't what's happened in the real world which we can all easily look up ourselves.

>>519239796
So you support paying native workers so much that they commit suicide due to guilt.. got it

>>519239773
>The last 100 years is proof of the failure of anti-immigration

No it's proof of the failure of mass immigration. See the chart dumbass liberal.
>>519239885

>>519225155 (OP)
>SKYROCKET
unfortunately for you no matter how often you repeat this lie no one will believe it. mainly because india's space program is a joke. see pic

>>519239885
If anti-immigrant policies worked, North Korea would be the richest country on earth. They except zero immigrants.

The fact that it’s an impoverished shithole is proof your ideas fail, it’s proof that banning migrants won’t lead to prosperity. Literally anyone can research North a Korea and see where your ideas lead

>>519239955
Wow the only other time we had such high immigration was during the great depression! What a coincidence!! any liberal care to explain for us how that works?

>>519239955
Look up North Korea stupid

Amazing. 50 posts and counting from this sperg. Sage his ass back to India.

>>519240015
>Comparing western countries to North Korea
Now we know you are retarded.

>>519225155 (OP)
Sure.
The value they produce for the employer, will trickle down on the economy.
This take has to be the dumbest thing I've read.

>>519239909
>guilt
You really think people will feel guilty? The native people that would getting these jobs will have no tinge of guilt whatsoever.

>>519240127
>Comparing the last 40 years while ignoring an infinite amount of other variables such as regulation, money supply growth, deficits, policy change, and geopolitical imbalances

You’re stupid and we know it

>>519240053
>Look up North Korea!!
Yes we are very comparable, liberal!

>>519240157
>wealth doesn’t trickle down

Holy shit Mexicans really are stupid. MAGA was right.

You might be worse than their white trash

>>519240015
You're an idiot. NK doesn't do trading.
You don't need immigrants to trade your products.

>>519230848
You forgot spics

>>519240196
Well not in practice since they’d be paid much lower wages than now.

Anti-immigrant groups think if you deport us Indians they’d all be richer than Bezos

>>519240256
This has to be a bot. Answer in 1 second.

>>519226839
Government subsidy programs in canada pay up to 70% of an east indians wage. Imagine your tax money (which is like 50% of your income in canada) directly paying megacorperations employees wages.

>>519240015
North Korea is impoverished because the West has been sanctioning them since the 1990s.

>>519240248
Ah yeah because before 1971 there was no immigrants or increases in population!!! That only began in the last 40 years

>>519225155 (OP)
>Homelessness is good for the economy.
>Car crashes are good for the economy.
>Cancer is good for the economy.
>War is good for the economy.
>Inflation is good for the economy.

>>519240329
Fascist anon admits to being Indian.
I was referring to the Mexicans actually, but good job in outing yourself.

>>519240265
>trading goods is good but trading labor is bad!!

No wonder Mexico is a shithole

>>519240329
They'd get paid more. Less people vying for jobs, houses, and goods and services=More resources for all. If you split a pie 18 ways its smaller than splitting it say 10 ways. Where liberals get it wrong is they think GDP is the magic number, they forget about how many more houses we need, how much more food we need to produce, and how much funding we lose to immigrants that could be uses on native borns who have no choice, this is their home.

>>519240362
That should be cut to 0 asap

But of course what you said is bullshit, tax rates in Canada are like 20% and marginal rates are like 28% unless you’re very very wealthy

>>519240471
>Trading labor is bad
Democrats are slowing going back to their confederate ways.
>Hurr we need a bunch of 3rd world retards to come till our fields and clean our toilets hurr!!!

>>519240511
>less people working
>cost of producing goods goes up since less labor
>less things get produced
>less things to buy
>your wage can now afford you less things
>have to work more to afford same as before

With immigration the exact opposite occurs

>>519240527
Im not just talking about income tax. Im talking about all taxes. Add them up, for the average person its closer to 50% of their money than it isnt.

>>519240609
>With immigration the exact opposite occurs
Yet according to all measure of record, despite having your mass immigration, prices only go up, housing only goes up, medical care only goes up, education only goes up, and price of labor goes down.

So what are you actually trying to say?
>Give us another 70 years of mass immigration, we promise it will get better eventually!

Like dude...we already tried your plan and it's sucking us dry. 50% of people can barely afford groceries, yet you want more people here like wtf.

>>519240471
You trade your products and earn something in return.
You get a worker, and the only thing you do is displace one that you ALREADY have at home.

>>519240609
Did you think putting on a memeflag would fool us into thinking you are someone else? Go back to plebbit, newfag

>>519240329
> Anti-immigrant groups think if you deport us Indians they’d all be richer than Bezos

Hmmm I wonder why an Indian migrant would be on /pol/ trying and failing to convince internet strangers that immigration is good.

Take note of this thread. If some idiot is telling you "immigration is good for the economy", they are likely some cheap unskilled Indian suppressing your wages, making your job an utter nightmare if you have to work with them, and turning your country into a toilet (like Loondia).

The same as OP, who after starting this thread full of his own bullshit, inevitably spilt the curry.

>>519240803
True that’s fair

>>519240605
Yeah we do but it should be voluntary labor and they are paid what the market dictates.

If the blacks were brought in voluntarily to be paid a wage and they agreed to the wage and were allowed to quit, then it wouldn’t be an issue

>>519240834
North Korea tried your plan, their standard of living is some of the lowest on the planet.

American wages have accelerated far more than that of North Koreans, and were a nation of immigrants. They keep out all immigrants

>>519225155 (OP)
>I need brown slaves to farm my crops

>>519241153
Only stupid people hate the people who are skyrocketing their wage

>>519241049
So importing a potato from Mexico isn’t displacing a worker in America, but having a that same Mexican farmer come to America and grow a potato and sell it to an American is?

You see how stupid protectionism is?

>>519241501
>Farm workers should be paid more than Jeff Bezos
>Thats definitely a sustainable economic model

>>519225155 (OP)
If those immigrants are good, the "immigrants welcome" policy is predatory and impoverishes already disadvantaged societies.

>>519241497
>American wages have accelerated far more than that of North Koreans, and were a nation of immigrants. They keep out all immigrants
That's not how you draw conclusions.
NK has many policies that differ from the countries you're comparing.
Bringing immigrants isn't the only thing that's different in NK.
You're a certified retard.

>>519241762
Not our responsibility, America First Canada First! I want the immigrants here for our benefit

>>519241422
I agree, the west needs more educated immigrants to come here and fix the issues with young white people not getting jobs. India has that surplus and they are very productive people.

>>519241871
Looking at the last 40 years of price data isn’t how you draw conclusions stupid. There’s a plethora of reasons why prices have gone up relative to wages that have nothing to do with immigrants

>>519241548
>skyrocketing their wage
10 million people got in USA, during the JoePedo term.
By now there should be skyrocketing wages,
Is that happening?
Did NYC, for example, become wealthier, safer, and has skyrocketing wages?

>>519225155 (OP)
>more immigrants
>more expensive housing
>lower wages
Only the rich benefit from immigrants, everyone else doesn't, which is most of us. Immigrants also bring along with them their 3rd world shithole cultures and thus crime, rape, murders, drugs all go up. Everyone's quality of life drops. And is not like we don't have extreme example of this happening already. Just look at the UK, Sweden, London, etc. Stabbings are through the roof. Nobody are benefitting from mass immigration. Nobody.

>>519242063
We certainly have seen real wages increase over the last 150 years. And in that period we’ve seen lots and lots of immigrants

>>519242143
If you hate immigrants then North Korea is your society.

Without immigrants you have falling wages, zero houses, zero economy zero GDP growth.

If immigrants were bad North Korea would be a Utopia

>>519241601
Importing a potato doesn't displace, because the farm can now grow something different than potatoes.
And you only import the potatoes you need. There are no uninvited potatoes swarming in by the millions, and building retarded ass monkey status about their furry Gods.

>>519241915
That is jewish mentality. Apparently you're jewish.

>>519241994
Prices going up = unrelated to immigration.
Alleged skyrocketing wages = totally related to immigration.
Sure.

Should we have an economy where every white man is gainfully employed or one in which the 1% profit of immigrant slave labour?

>>519242184
I'm speaking specifically about the 10 million people that got in during the Pedophile's term.
Has that translated into better quality of life and/or skyrocketing wages?

>>519225155 (OP)
Its a myth. Even if they work (many don't), they're a net negative. Nice try Vignesh

>numbers go up
>but everyone's lives keep getting worse (wages go down, housing is more expensive, etc but the GDP goes up!)
nice

>>519241639
And if you were making pennies for your "hard labor", would you be okay with that?

>>519242334
He admits to be Indian.

There is NOTHING more important than the ECONOMY

remember...the economy does not exist to serve you, a good economy doesn't mean you can have a decent job and afford to live well, it means the STOCK MARKET goes up FOREVER and real estate value INCREASES!

the economy does not exist to serve you, YOU exist to serve the ECONOMY!!

DON'T FUCKING FORGET IT!!!

>>519225155 (OP)
>If an immigrant comes to a country and works, he is producing more than he consumes, otherwise he wouldn’t be hired
Lol no, liberals piss billions of taxpayer dollars directly into corpo-ratta mouths every year in wage subsides for foreign workers. Thats why leaf job applications are instantly shredded and jeets are everywhere. Pass the pipe fagguette

Where'd the jeetbot go? Did a jannie do the fucking needful for once?

>>519225155 (OP)
thats nice cope
>if when maybe or shall would could

when some mexican jumps over the boarder and picks fruit he produces absolutely fuck all.
the only thing he does is make the farmer rich and lazy, thats all.

>>519242816
>He admits to be Indian.
Sure he does. Jews place hindus everywhere to take some heat off themselves.

>>519242255
And if you import a Mexican worker to grow the potato, the “displaced” American can now also grow something else

>>519242388
>past 40 years we’ve seen economic troubles
>must be all immigrants fault!!!

>point out NK also has had troubles
>But that has nothing do with immigration! You can’t look at just immigration!!!

Sure

>>519242458
You think paying every white person more than Bezos and Musk will create a sustainable system or do you think that will just create hyperinflation??

>>519243190
germany is best in growing potatoes/acre, ha cant bomb our potato fields losers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>519243369
we have more corn than you

>>519243190
where is that displaced jobless American getting the funds to create this new farm?

>>519242479
If they’re all working and not committing crimes then yes

>>519242685
Ah yes immigrants are so bad, skyrocketing wages and gdp is so horrible

>>519242816
If that was my only option I would be grateful it was offered.

Fortunately I have a high wage

>>519242852
Ok but if you cut all those programs to 0 then the only way immigrants get hired is if they produce more

>>519243244
You compare two thing. when all their conditions are the same or about the same.
Is immigration the only thing that differs in NK?
Can't tell if you're trolling, or only stupid.

>>519243868
>skyrocketing wages
lol wat

that's the whole problem. they're barely above slave labor and it pulls the whole market down. Why hire some white guys who want basic decency at work for $15 an hour when you can hire some browns for $7 an hour and shit on them the whole time? And why not jack up the rent on a house when browns will put 12 people in there to pay for it?

It's not the brown's fault, but they're part of the problem.

>>519225155 (OP)
okay but do you mean legal or illegal immigration

>>519243066
>feeding the country is fuck all

>>519243868
>skyrocketing wages
You keep mentioning it, but don't prove it.
The past 4 years saw a huge intake of immigrant workers.
Show proof that wages and GDP skyrocketed.
Show proof of even one 1 thing (economic, social, etc) that improved, after receiving 10 million immigrants.

>>519243722
The capital markets

But the same argument could be made if you import a potato. That displaced an American farmer so how would he start a new farm?

>>519243945
Ah yes because post 1971 was exactly the same as..

Actually I’m done with you. You’re a troll I don’t believe anyone can be this stupid

>>519225155 (OP)
Good for rich companies*
The immigrant provides value to the business while taking a job that could've gone to an American. Sure, they pay taxes, but in the U.S., that just means more bombs for israel. It's not like they're subsidizing my NEET lifestyle.

>>519244180
It didn't because the damn farm is already there, it can grow something else.

>>519243911
>Ok but if you cut all those programs to 0 then the only way immigrants get hired is if they produce more
Which they don't...

>>519244056

lol Wut


You realize that if the browns didn’t exist it would be YOU who earns $7 an hour right???

They’re why you don’t live in an America where you have to do that.

>>519226800
GDP and high wages mean nothing to me if I'm not getting the fucking job

>>519244246
That doesn't even make sense. You're a certified retard.

>>519244162
You have to be trolling.

You can’t compare two points in time in American or Canadian economic history because so much changed every decade you can’t isolate.

You are a troll.

>>519236717
My country became like 40% non-White in a couple of decades and wages haven't kept up with inflation.

>>519244336
That's not how it works. They pay them terribly and treat them awfully because it's still better for them than what they could get in their home countries. And as a result, companies that don't play that game get undercut by companies who do. It makes things worse for literally everyone as a result.

>>519225155 (OP)
Well good, deport them all back to their home countries so they can get off our welfare

>>519244392
Then why are you comparing NK to USA?

>>519244266
>admits he’s a NEET

The our military can’t afford anything anymore is because people like took all the tax money. You know when Trump says Make America Great Again and rebuild our military? We can’t because you’re taking all the tax money

>>519244288
Ok then it can use the labor of both the Mexican migrant and the American farmer to produce more output

>>519225155 (OP)
Fuck off, jeet, and die in the Ganges.

>>519239590
You never once tried to explain to me how labor as a commodity isn’t affected by supply and demand. I don’t think you’re in a position to lecture others about basic economics

>>519244340
You won’t get the job if the economy crashes because there’s no more immigration and GDP

>>519244467
Why are you asking me to show a time when immigrants improved an economic metric in America when there would be zero way to prove that using historical data without a counter factual?

I could at most show you a period where wages increased and immigration increased but that alone wouldn’t be sufficient data

>>519225155 (OP)
Didn't read, and no, they're not, especially not long term

Fuck kikes and globohomo

>>519244435
Your wages are much higher than North Korea, a country which accepted zero immigrants

>>519244457
That literally makes things better for literally everyone you mentioned

>Americans get cheaper food
>Farmer makes more profit
>immigrant gets better life than his home country

>>519242184
>well compared to back in the Civil War
You don’t have a point, you dipshit canacuck

>>519244598
>at most show you a period where wages increased and immigration increased but that alone wouldn’t be sufficient data

There is none. I already posted it. REAL wages have not gone up since mass immigration started. The only growth we actually see is when immigration is less. Why is that?

>>519244688
You forgot the bit about the farmers getting undercut by the big corporations, the Americans paying more for everything and getting paid less.

I think you're trolling. I hope so. If so, good job.

>>519244475
>>admits he’s a NEET
I've applied to 500+ tech jobs. Too bad immigration oversaturated the industry since 70% of h1bs go into tech.
I wish I was a welfare queen. It's an ethical obligation for White men in the U.S. to be as parasitic as possible when my government's trying to help out jeets n jews.

>>519244598
My country's economy was much better when it was >80% White.

>>519244649
>muh cherrypicked example of a country that was destroyed by war
My wages are also much lower than Switzerland and other countries that are more homogeneous than the U.S.

>>519244392
Didn’t you just try to compare now to the 1860s? >>519242184

>>519244558
When the supply of goods and services increases relative to your labor, your real wage increases.

Show me this proof that labor is immune to supply and demand

>>519244688
You talk like this is suppose to happen. We've been taking in millions of immigrants a year. When does the cheaper food, more housing, cheaper education and medical care start? When do all the negative trends reverse? Is it only when we remove immigrants? That's what the statistics say.

>>519239885

>>519244785
None of that is relevant because you have zero counter factual to prove that wages wouldn’t have also stagnated or even gone down had mass immigration not occurred.

If this were a court room the judge would toss out your claim without a second thought

>>519244802
>cherrypicking a time period when political and economic policy was better

1950s and 1960s were better for many reasons. They had a rapidly growing population as well

>>519244792
>paying more for everything
>because migrants are cheaper

2/10 bait

>>519244688
Shut up retard, anyone with functioning eyes can see the world is worse after immigration

>>519244507
No, Because the space in the farm to grow things, is limited.
You need to first build infrastructure, then ask for workers, which you ALREADY have at home. There's no need to bring a new worker that will ALSO need an available home, school spots for their children, a hospital to use, a toilet to flush, electricity to use.
If the place doesn't have infrastructure already in place to handle all the new people, the only thing it does is raise rent prices, healthcare prices, etc.
And it increases the pool of workers, so wages stagnate.

>>519244986
And I'd rather rapidly grow the population through childrearing rather than disrupting social cohesion and American values by flooding the countries with immigrants. To do this, companies need to stop greedily hiring cheap retarded labor and instead train the native population.

>>519244929
We're going to find out now. Since you've had your mass immigration already, we're going to try something else. You realize this is the world you live in today rejects mass immigration? The results aren't there, and if they are, they aren't worth the societal upheaval and loss of demographic stability. Dimwit liberal.

>>519244920
Once North Korea overtakes the USA in quality of life, I will concede that immigration is definitely a bad thing.

Until then, move to North Korea or shut up

>>519226800
Do you retards even try? I could tell this was a brain dead indian nigger regardless of the flag thats how idiotic you are.

>>519244598
If you can't prove it, then why are you claiming that it's true?

>>519244855
>when the supply increases
Which it hasn’t.
>show me labor is immune to supply and demand
It isn’t, which is why flooding the country with immigrants is always horrible for the natives. It’s that simple and you genuinely don’t seem to grasp that

>>519245096
why are you cherrypicking a country that lost 85% of its buildings to bombing and has been sanctioned by the world since? Why not look at China's development, Switzerland, or Iceland?

>>519245043
Move to North Korea if you hate immigrants

>>519245047
That’s not at all the bottleneck for USA agriculture. There’s always more farmland expansion. Are you seriously saying the issue is we ran out of land?

>>519245074
We already found out how your system works by looking at North Korea, you’re too dumb to look at the system you already have

>>519245096
>Is obsessed with North Korea.

>>519228768
Supply and demand you retard. Its literally that simple. More niggers = more supply of wage slaves. More niggers = less housing so increased prices. Government is the issue in letting them in and following the jewish script of destroying our countries.

>>519245096
>Oh you don't like mass immigration of 3rd worlders into your country?
>move to North Korea or shut up
Nigger this is America. You can seethe all you want, but we have a right to enforce immigration any way we see fit. It's called being a sovereign nation with rule of law.

>>519245096
What the fuck are you even talking about? Never make threads again you braindead fucking nigger aids-ridled kike-brained faggot

>>519225155 (OP)
Even illegal immigrants commit less violent crime than native born white Americans. Problem is Europe expelled all their trash whites here (note the average IQ of a WV white is the same as a black) and now we're stuck with them.

>>519228853
Based. No more paying niggers for child gibs.

>>519245098
You’re uneducated white trash

>>519245113
I can prove it, as I already did

>>519228964
Jewish golem working extra hard on damage control. Lazy kikes making hindjews do their work.

GDP MATTERS (in a capitalist country where all the benefit goes to the company and the fed's via taxes)!!!!!

>>519245133
Increasing the supply of goods and services relative to your labor hours increase your real wage. Supply and demand is proof of the benefits of immigrstionn

>it hasn’t

Our gdp per capira is much higher than North Koreas

>>519245401
Pretty sure the guy is mentally ill

>>519245268
>When you subsect types of crime and forget survivor bias, illegals commit more crime!
Why are leftists this stupid?

>note the average IQ of a WV white is the same as a black
WV's IQ is still higher than the average nigger IQ you lying faggot.

>>519245183
Why are you cherry-picking the pre 1971 time period of American history when we had

>fiscal responsibility
>growing workforce due to baby boomers coming of age
>less regulation
>less social security
>no medicaid or medicaire
>far less government spending relative to the economy

im sooo glad my gdp went up while I'm out of a job. It's never been so nice to be homeless and starving

>>519225155 (OP)
Ok Rajeesh

>>519245251
Holy fuck you’re dumb.

>more immigrants = more workers = more production

More production / labor hour = higher wage

Read a book stupid

>>519245258
And America has also has a right to accept immigrants lol

>>519245558
>>more immigrants = more workers = more production
>More production / labor hour = higher wage
Kek. Imagine believing thar importing people to undermine the workforce leads to higher wages.

>>519245421
And all the benefit of the company goes to the workers and the FEDs also give you all their beenfit in lower taxes but go on

Everyone stop responding to this retard so the thread can die

>>519245421
But but but but dontcha know the little man gets the trickle down effect of the wealth. It's all trickle down wealth won't someone pleeeeeease think of the trickle down wealth the scraps the crumbs

>>519245510
>jeet argues for less regulation so he can scam us easier and pollute the environment
>socialized healthcare is the real problem, not tens of millions of foreigners competing for our jobs and houses
I'll throw you a bone. Immigration for understaffed industries is MAYBE okay depending on why the industry is understaffed (maybe the employers are just dirtbags who don't pay fair wages so nobody wants to work there. Maybe the military was understaffed because nobody wanted to work under Hitler Harris and Biden fighting forever wars)

>>519245535
Ah great just keep out all immigrants so the economy implodes and you never get a job

>>519225155 (OP)
I would decimate the economy for untold generations if it meant never having browns live in White countries.

>>519245666
Why? It's almost at bump limit. Let's keep making fun of this delusional Jeetnadian

>>519245510
You forgot one thing
>Less immigrants
>Less liberals
That's the REAL reason.

>>519245587
So don't mind if we vote as a people to reduce it okay? Promise that won't hurt your feelings?

>>519245616
Lmao imagine believing that obliterating your nations productivity and productive capacity somehow makes it richer

>>519245699
>If you don't import 10,000,000 jeets your economy will implode!

>>519245683
Ah yes you’re only paid more than a King or Oligarch but it’s not enough… more more more!!!porky the pig needs more

>>519245698
Imagine thinking the problem is immigrants and not the government spending on socialism and socialized medicine

>>519245739
Your entire argument gets blown out of the water when we remember that the native workforce can work.

Retard.

Unironically kill yourself. Livestream it too.

>>519245661
>And all the benefit of the company goes to the workers
yes, the non-American workers who don't do anything for me.
>Lowers my taxes
Nigger, our debt keeps skyrocketing as my country becomes less White.

>>519245196
No. I never claimed the USA ran out of farming land.
They need to buy more land, buy more equipment, manage a bigger team of workers.
How is that going to happen? And why would you bring the immigrant, BEFORE expanding the farm?

>>519245844
Your entire argument is blown out when you realize the native workforce is limited by labor force size and if you want to increase it you need to have more babies or bring in immigrants

Stupid

>>519245833
>Immigrants good
>Government programs are bad!
Hey, retard, who do you think is facilitating the mass immigration?

>>519245869
Then maybe focus on reducing the debt and regaining fiscal responsibility rather than hating on us

>>519245898
>is limited by labor force size
Automation and more efficient production makes that increasingly irrelevant while increasing product yield.
Next canned response, please.

>>519245926
How do i regain fiscal responsibility when I can't get a job due to the oversaturation via nepotistic immigrants who only hire their own?

>>519245898
True, destroying a culture that took thousands of years to develop for 5% increased GDP is so fucking epic! KILL YOURSELF FUCKING GOLEM

>>519245926
>Import more brownoids to reduce debt!

>>519245897
So what you’re talking about is economic expansion and that can be funded with private sector capital

And you didn’t bring in the immigrant. He moved voluntarily because market forces dictated he would be more productive in America than Mexico.

You are increasing productivity by bringing him in because his output per capita is higher in America

>>519245912
Politicians,

Another canned response destroyed

>>519246002
You allow more immigrants so the economy can boom and therefore you get a job

>>519239885
OP never actually answer this except by scrambling a false equivalence.

In all the effort he's wasted, he could have at least gave an answer.

>>519246091
>Politicians
So you're saying that the government is doing it.

>>519246132
Tech companies have never been richer, yet they keep laying off employees you parasitic nigger

>>519225155 (OP)
>he is producing more than he consumes
Sure, unfortunately they also bring a wife sits at home and shits out a stream of kids while collecting welfare for her "American" children. Like 60% of immigrant households are on some form of welfare.

>>519245897
>They need to buy more land, buy more equipment, manage a bigger team of workers.
>How is that going to happen?
More importantly, why would that happen? Why would you increase production, when you're finally earning decent profit on the *low* supply? You don't have to worry about some asshole "breaking into the farming business" and putting another 50,000 acres under cultivation... takes too much money to break into. Land, tractors/combines, chemicals (both fertilizer and pesticides/herbicides). It just won't happen.

And it couldn't. All good land is already under cultivation. Irrigation water is limited. We're not at 100% capacity, but both the US and Canada are in the upper 90% of capacity. There's not enough left to double population without widespread suffering or massive importation (which puts us at China's mercy). Anyone who says otherwise is a empty-skulled jeet streetshitter.

>>519246199
Because the workers laid off are costing the company more than the value they are producing stupid

>lays off thousands of workers
So much for pickle-down economics

>>519246261
>OP subtly admits that immigration is about undercutting American wages

>>519245898
>limited size
There are over 300 million American citizens in this country. How much labor do you think we need?

>>519246205
Simple solution is to cut their welfare to 0

>>519246332
>American wages
>defending Silicon Valley engineers earning 150k a year

Americans will be richer when tech products can be made without paying scumbags six figures to code it. You realize the cost of those engineers is built into the final product right?

>>519246306
>trickle down economics is fakke!
>microsoft never benefitted me!!!
>*posts from Microsoft Desktop*

Lmao, but I guess trickle down doesn’t work because the rich scumbags in Silicon Valley got laid off?

>>519246436
But aren't Indians taking over the tech market? You just called your own people scumbags.

>>519246436
>>defending Silicon Valley engineers earning 150k a year
That's not the argument, I was making, but it's not even wrong. Californias wages are inflated well beyond the rest of the nation because of their exaggerated standard of living. $150,000 isn't even that much for the rest of the country anymore either.

But more to the point, it's as >>519246306's graph points out. These companies are grossing huge profits. They can afford to pay their workers to work at a prestigious company. In a nation where all workers had an equal playing field, a $150,000 wage would be more than acceptable because Microsoft would be able to demand more from ts workers and attract more quality talent. It's not, though. The company makes more money importing jeets bcause lf the government and their brand coasts by because nobody wants to actually enforce the laws for tech.

>>519246584
I thought we’re being paid a lot less?

I thought we’re hired because we aren’t the rich ones demanding $120k+ salaries???

>>519246786
>ESL struggles to read
Why are you even pretending to be human?

>>519246786
You are the one bragging about making a lot of money in a successful job

>>519246771
Microsoft’s job is to maximize profits for shareholders it’s not to give people free money. Microsoft is only going to pay you if you produce more value to them than your cost (wage). If the market changes in such a way or for whatever reason Microsoft deams a certain % of their employees to be more costly than their worth… it has a fiduciary duty to fire them. I own shares in Microsoft myself and I don’t want the company wasting my money on people that won’t provide economic value.

And that comment about it wage adjustment is bullshit. I live in Toronto and 65k in leafbux is an amazing wage. I can’t imagine Silicon Valley is so much more expensive that 150k American doesn’t make you insanely wealthy

>>519246877
How does it feel to be illiterate, uneducated, and manipulated to blame migrants for your failure?

>>519246908
Yeah but I’m not that rich. The people fired from Microsoft were netting around $150k a year, sometimes more with bonus

>>519233349
Okay listen, the migrants are concentrating on the cities where the jobs and housing are, the consequence is that the youth is getting raped. The housing that was supposed to go to city dwellers from the dying boomers go to migrants instead. The migrants are not a solution because they only build housing for even more migrants so the business interests can snatch international competition from other countries, also the bunch of people that are permanently unemployed because there is no reason to remove red tape regulations because of imports are used as leverage by the elites to justify the workers should demand less. Now brag about how smart you are shill im waiting.

>>519246955
>ESL streetshitter thinks a high-school level essay will convince anyone of anything
Let me put it another way for you, retard.
>Good end: Microsoft makes money by making a product people want, attracts engineers, product gets better because people with an IQ above freezing temperatures make it, people buy it, everyone wins
>Bad end: Government/Soros incentivizes Microsoft to take mediocre and bad engineers, product quality deteriorates, Microsoft recoups the loss through government incentives
The "bad end" here is literally how Musk made his fortune, because the economic push for immigration isn't organically created. Microsoft doesn't profit from immigrants by making worse software because you jeets can't code for shit, it profits because operational costs are eliminated while the government rewards it for practically-slave labor.

>>519225155 (OP)
>>519226800
>The only way you get a job in the private sector is if you produce more aggregate value for your employer than you cost to him
Wrong. Other groups than Whites frequently hire each other out of nepotism over competency. People hire their families for obvious reasons. Many of these immigrants also easily fake their bona fides.
There are more important things in a society than GDP

>>519225155 (OP)
They are providing value to the gdp and to the ceos not to the average native conservative proletariaat who is losing on wage supression, job market, housing market, university positions because all of those things are scarce and youre giving it away to some slave who does it for barely enough to live on. You are directly negatively effecting the growth potential and opportunity of your own friends and family and your community, all to protect some outgroup you never met

>>519247004
>ESL cope
>>519239885 beat you the fuck out streetshitter

>>519247608
Paying brats fresh out of college more money than Bill Gates is not how you build a successful enterprise.

You have a child’s view of the world

>>519247736
CEOs and companies don’t keep the money, it gets reinvested in the workers via company projects.

If you want to see your wage skyrocket, embrace immigration

>>519247820
>more money than Bill Gates
Good lord the ESL thinks college hires are getting paid above market wage

>>519246436
>Americans will be richer when tech products can be made without paying scumbags six figures to code it. You realize the cost of those engineers is built into the final product right?
Dumbass, what do you own that actually has software developers being paid six figures to code it? Do you eat bad Adobe software? Do you wear phone apps, and live under the roof of a triple A game? Even if those people worked as slaves, no prices are coming down for you. You're a mentally retarded faggot.

>immigrants
>work
Less than 10% are gainfully employed, that includes under the table workers
Just here these parasites cost us nearly 3/4 of a trillion dollars/year for gibs...they don't contribute 100 billion in taxes,that's a net negative of over 1/2 a trillion lost on subhumans