Thread 519293629

Should Scotland be an independent country?

>>519293629 (OP)
should be a nuclear wasteland imo

>>519293629 (OP)
no.
t. Scot

Yes, it's culturally distinct enough

>>519293629 (OP)
yes

>>519293629 (OP)
if they want to be they should.
i love my country and i believe in the union but we have treated scotland and wales like shit so i understand them wanting to go.
at the end of the day your people is who you consider them to be. i consider the scots and welsh my brothers, it's their business if they don't consider me theirs

>>519293629 (OP)
Yes, Wales too.

>>519293959
im a TRUE norse gayle

No. How the fuck we're supposed to go into battle without some madlad Scotsman playing away on a bagpipe? Go on tell me, I'll wait.

>>519294050
you live in a country of nazi sympathisers.
your worth is nearly as low as that of an israeli

>>519294156
no man tougher than a redshank

>>519293629 (OP)
They already are.
>but the map say-
Don't give a shit.
Scotland has been its own thing for centuries now.
If it hasn't been absorbed by this point, then it's never going to be and it's only a matter of time before it splinters off into an independent nation-state again.

No. I do not want my country turning into a woke and broke shit-hole anymore than it already is.
Our political classes make Westminster look like competent, rational adults.

>>519293793
>Yes, it's culturally distinct enough
There is no cultural difference in Lowland Scotland, which is 80% of Scotlands population, and Northern England. Glasgow has one of the highest murder rates in Europe precisely because of this clash between Highland Gaels and Lowland Scots.

D&C thread ignore

>>519294422
>Scotland has been its own thing for centuries now.
fuck off tourist. You don't know what you're talking about and You wont have to live in the inevitable catastrophe into which an independent Scotland would devolve.

I don't even think we have a unitary, homogeneous culture. The highlands and islands should clearly be a separate nation-state from the central-belt.

>>519293629 (OP)
An independent Scotland would have to take responsibility for their own governance and mistakes while having to endure the psychologically crippling realisation they could no longer blame England for every problem under the sun, though not for trying. They'd also go giga pozzed to spite us and speed run their destruction

>>519293629 (OP)
For the love of God, yes. Fuck off you moaning queers.
>t. Welsh

>>519294485
thank fuck they got rid of that corrupt little idiot and the paki that followed after.

>>519294485
It may be broke but I don’t think it would be woke
In fact, I think there would be a centre-right government post independence. Scotland used to actually be mostly conservative until the tories went fuck it we just need to appeal to southern english people to win elections in the 70s and 80s
Especially if in 2026 the unionist parties just get wiped out because people list Green and Reform just morph into a unionist big tent

>>519294880
>Glasgow has one of the highest murder rates in Europe precisely because of this clash between Highland Gaels and Lowland Scots.
not if sn't. it revoivles around poverty, sectarianism, drugs and unresolved irish immigration. Its not highlanders and lowlanders stabbing each other.

But i think you're right. There is a thorn in the backside of scottish, national unity in that it wasnt very long ago the hoighlands and islands were very different places than the central belt, up to and including speaking different lanuages.

>>519293629 (OP)
Yes.

>>519293629 (OP)
Yes. Wales too. Not because they deserve it or that it would be good for them, but down the road there's a chance that one the 3 nations will be slightly less fucked up and slightly more white than the others, and I'll move there.

>>519294485
Anybody got the 'stir last nights haggis' post with her? Always gives me a laugh.

>>519295273
>it would be woke
already is. its blowing up in thenSNP's face because, as you highlighted, soctland isnt an inherently socially progressive country..... hence swinney is desperately trying to distance himself from the gender recognition bill and other such faggotry.

>>519295463
rather watch cartel gore videos than imagine that but here you go, anon.

>>519295674
thank ye kindly

>>519295027
>"You're wrong, it would be a disaster"
>"but also, I agree, and you're right, these other places should be their own nations too"
kek

>>519295452
do you cunts not understand that the scottish government is far, far worse than starmer and co.?
you won't have to live with the consequences of "independence" so fortunately wont get a say

>>519295838
nah the central belt should stay part of england.

>>519295460
Cardiff is one of the most fucked cities in Europe; not only is it totally fucked, and their capital building inside of an islamic ghetto called Bute-town, but their population are so obsessed with England that they are keen to be as Blacked and islamised as possible to spite England. England is being being destroyed by imposition and against public opinion. The Welsh don't give a shit about the white race, they hate England more than muslims or blacks. Just look at them during covid, England was liberal minded and gave everyone the option of not obeying lockdowns, so they went turbo authoritarian and banned any movement above 5 miles.

>>519295603
The only reason the SNP is woke is because the only way to unite the disparate factions in their party is to just be uniform on cultural issues
The reason we get more leftist economic policies is because SNP politicians even if they lean right economically understand the funding comes from bribe money from Westminster and so Scotland doesn’t actually need a sustainable budget until post-independence. It’s why we have free tuition even though it’s completely retarded budget wise
This equilibrium would just collapse post-independence and hence a right-wing majority would emerge

Realistically Scotland can't afford it.
As it stands something like a third of their national budget comes from England and theres a lot they don't have to pay for at all as it comes from UK spending (defence for instance)

Now you might say "good for the UK as a whole if they leave"
But an independent Scotland will quickly fall under the control of another nation. The EU, USA, Russia or whoever.
One of them will take over Scotland and position troops there. Making an independent Scotland a massive potential security threat to the UK

Could it survive viably? Main reason we can is because of being a tax haven but that doesn’t work when multiple countries start doing it

>>519296406
>But an independent Scotland will quickly fall under the control of another nation. The EU, USA
That’s not a bad thing
And you’re forgetting the voting coalitions in an independent Scotland. Borders + Highlands + Rich people from Edinburgh vs the Central Belt. Reforming shit like the NHS would be totally feasible post-independence because of the voting coalitions and everyone knowing we’d be fucked if spending isn’t under control. Politicians will just import bureaucrats from Frankfurt or Luxembourg or whatever to get all the policy drawn up

>>519296171
Way I see it mate Cumbria, the highlands and Pembrokeshire are going to be some of the last vestiges against the brown tide. That said, the older generation are the last that grew up white, and have kept themselves white through money. That will not be a thing for their children, if the number of race traitors in Millenials is anything to go off of. So even posh places will go downhill, and some would say already are.

The more centralised authority is, the easier it is for scum to enable scum and crush native spirit, which is why I support any seperatist movement in the UK.
Succesful regional seperatism also lends some of it's legitimacy to ethnic seperatism, just by osmosis.
>>519296979
Scotland as a step-stone to complete liberation of the Isles sounds somewhat reasonable

>>519293629 (OP)
Scotland shouldn't exist.

>>519293773
William Wallace died for a free Scotland. Protect his legacy.

>>519296725
we run a 12% and rising deficit in gdp providing public services .. despite the
"Barnett consequential". Our biggest source of employment is the public sector.

>Could it survive viably?
no

>>519296725
go back to sucking hitler's dick irishman

>>519293629 (OP)
>Should Scotland be an independent country?

Don't know don't care.
What I DO know is that its indigenous ruling classes already do a sterling job of shitting in the faces of its citizens before you even approach the topic of independance.
It's employers, its bureacrats, it civil service all shit on its people from a height of ten miles.
That's the grim reality for many in Scotland (Europe's biggest council estate.)

>>519293629 (OP)
Scotland is already a Muslim caliphate.

>>519300012
israeli detected, remove the memeflag

>>519293629 (OP)
yes but they are too afraid to let scots be free and united because they are cunning

>>519300125
Here's my flag, Abdul.

>>519293629 (OP)
Probably not, the SNPs are so incompetent with the government that if they did achieve independence, they would probably implode and take the entire country with it

>>519295460
This is one smart bong bonging.

>>519296979
An independent Scotland couldn't maintain its devolved NHS.
Thats how bad Scotlands financial position is
Remember every part of the UK outside of London is poorer than the poorest US state.

>>519293629 (OP)
Yes.

t. English and sick of funding those fucking welfare queens

>>519293629 (OP)
Absolutely yes. As an Englishman I want a dissolution of the traitorous british union. This is only possible with a devolved Jockland, Wales and as much as I love them, NI.

For the Jocks its perfect. They want to join the EU, they want to nationally recognise Palestine and larp brown politics, they want increased social spending; and most of all they are held back because they gravitate to blaming England for their every woe so, like a teenager that needs to get a fucking job, they need to be forced to look inwards at their national challenges and solutions.

Some sort of hard border is in order like Korea with a visa application system which has no indefinite right to remain destination.

>>519300793
spasiba, tibye horosho dyin <3

>>519293959
>anti jew
>also anti "nazi sympathisers"
hello abdul. when are you going back?

I'd argue in my heart yes, but in actuality they're filled with retards like the Swedes, and they'd fill their country with niggers faster than England.

>>519293629 (OP)
most scots i see online are self-hating white faggots on a level i didn't even know was possible. literally constant anti-white vitriol from white scottish people...pathetic

Hypothetically if they left the United Kingdom, would their "leader" be better or worse then Sir Starmer

It's been proven in recent years that we canna be trusted to govern ourselves. We keep copying Sweden, and letting bufties talk for us, decide all policies, it's fucking embarrassing.

I voted for independence in 2014, but I wouldna do it again
Voting is a pisstake anyway

>>519302563
They're even worse IRL.

>>519302563
Exactly, that's who comes to represent us. I live on the continent now, but every time I meet another Scot, they're always the sort of monkey pox retard who give us a bad name.

Actual Scots don't have any platform to speak, so all the talking is done by a tiny percentage of poofs, self-hating boomers and absolute wank stain YouTubers, who ham up their accent to try and sound like normal working classes (who'd punch their cunt in irl)

Imagine all Russian content online was made by middle class gays, larping as gopniks, and you'll get the idea.

>>519302750
>left the United Kingdom
They would be leaving the british union. The United Kingdom is the islands. Not very united but thats the name.

>>519303236
Ahh, apologies. My question still stands though.

>>519303169
>who ham up their accent
I thought that was what they're up to.
Thanks for confirming.

>>519297630
Anon, thats Mel Gibson and he's perfectly safe and alive.

>>519293629 (OP)
With an Indian population

>>519302750
Same or worse, there's no chance of a real guy being in control of porridge affairs within our lifetime.
it would be asinine to break apart anyway, we've shared an island so long that we're no different from our English bros.

The vikings who give the north it's character did the same to the north of England. The only ones that are measurably different by now are Wales, who are swarthy Romans.

>>519303414
He is also Australian

>>519303317
Id suggest about the same. A left of the far left fabian with a mysterious international legal professional, closet homo, who hates the working class and wants to flood the place with brown filth.

>>519293629 (OP)
Sure, if they want to starve to death

>>519293629 (OP)
isn't scotland a nigger kingdom at this point? maybe it would be better to cut it loose and rebuild hadrian's wall.

>>519303524
He’s actually American
Just grew up in Australia

>>519303598
Well there you go

>>519303376
Critical Drinker is a key example. Absolute fucking bender putting on a fake voice for the international audience, and further fagging it up by pretending to be drunk as a gimmick.


>>519303580
Not quite yet, but the low income areas in cities have been brown for 20 years, same as everywhere else.

>>519297630
Mel's a top lad who tried to make a cool film, it wasn't accurate historically, but it was culturally and made us look cool on the world stage.

Shame the statue of him in Stirling kept getting vandalized.
Literally says "freedom" on the plaque, and is locked in a cage so that people can't fuck with it anymore

>>519293892
>but we have treated scotland and wales like shit
lmao have we fuck

>>519293629 (OP)
Fuck off. Half of Europe could fit in Texas. The amount of countries you irrelevant dipshits have is just sheer arrogance at this point. Call your shitty island North and South Sudan. Nobody cares. Its all the same shit.

>>519293629 (OP)
>All these people not from the UK our Scotland having a divisive opinion on the UK
>Any answer over than ok m8 or fuck off cunt can be disregarded

>>519293892
It's fashionable to pretend that England fucked us, but the truth is we've benefitted greatly from the Empire, we were heavily involved and made a lot of money for ourselves.

No regrets, except that we are both suffering the kind of leadership we have. But after they're gone, we still have each other, and I hope it stays that way.

England and Scotland forever (Northern Ireland is ethnically Scotland, if Cornwall is England, so is Wales)

>>519304272
Got yer.
Fuck off mate. If you'd be so good.

>>519303236
>The United Kingdom is the islands.
No it isn't. Are you fucking retarded?

>>519293629 (OP)
d&c thread.
neither the north or south would be in a better situation.

they voted no

>>519293629 (OP)
>WE NEED TO BE FREE CUZ ENGLAND IS NOT GIVING US ENOUGH NIGGERS

>>519305823
> Are you fucking retarded?
Yes

>>519296406
>Making an independent Scotland a massive potential security threat to the UK
If a serious nationalist movement kicks off in England I don't doubt the government will use the Scottish regiments to put it down.
Scotland is already a security threat to the UK

>>519294215
Arthur will come back.
The red dragon will kill the white dragon.

>>519293629 (OP)
I don't think Scotland can be an independent country. Your William Wallace story sounds kind of MLK to me. At some level, you know that you'd live a lousy life without your masters. Not trying to be nasty but .... MLK? Not much legacy there other than family bickering over his intellectual property. Scotland? Been talking about this for decades and probably voted on it a couple times but.... another nothingburger.

>>519305390
Ok m8

>>519300235
Bantufeeder moment.

>>519297630
https://youtu.be/d-LtMpDw9B0?t=13

>>519302360
>As an Englishman I
The anglo-saxon vermin will be kicked out of Britain.
Britain belongs to the Britons!

>>519293629 (OP)
No. Independence and the resulting economic crash from the lack of gibs from Westminster would be a wonderful opportunity but the current crop of Scottish "leaders" would squander it. Rather than kicking out the browns and rebuilding Scottish society in a sane and sustainable way, they'd immediately drop to their knees and suck Jew cock in exchange for immediate relief and restoration of the consoomerist lifestyle that the average Scot is accustomed to.

>>519293629 (OP)
No. It's completely urbanised and cosmopolitan. What's the point of independence? More gay stuff?

>>519293629 (OP)
Only Jews think so.
>>519293793
No they aren’t.
>>519293892
Faggot.

>>519293629 (OP)

Only if they are willing to support Israel

>>519293629 (OP)
Bo

>>519293629 (OP)
The entirety of isles belongs to the Irish.

>>519306733
Wrong. The british will be kicked out of England and the britons will stay in Brittany eating garlic and horse balls.

>>519306793
Look. You don't need to sell it as a good idea. I already believe the jocks should be independent.