Thread 519295176

Tens of millions of male chicks are killed every year because they can't make eggs.
What are the political implications of factory farms where over 95% of animal products in USA Canada Australia UK etc etc come from?

Factory farmed animals should be replaced with things like pic related

Humans should do this to those that cant produce either. Bye bye poor parasite class.

>>519295176 (OP)
Live fast - die young

>>519295176 (OP)
Factory farms should be banned

>>519295289
manmade horrors

Nature itself is even worse. Animals in the wild eat each other and starve to death on a daily basis. The most objectively moral thing to do is to intentionally cause as much environmental damage as possible in order to prevent wild animals from being born.

https://benthams.substack.com/p/against-biodiversity

>The total amount of suffering per year in the natural world is beyond all decent contemplation. During the minute it takes me to compose this sentence, thousands of animals are being eaten alive; others are running for their lives, whimpering with fear; others are being slowly devoured from within by rasping parasites; thousands of all kinds are dying of starvation, thirst and disease.

>For example, there’s an organism called the new world screwworm that that lays magots in the flesh of their victims, causing almost incomprehensible amounts of agony as the maggots eat their way out from the inside. These worms also tend to live pretty short lives of intense suffering. So when we got rid of the new world screwworm in north America—ridding the continent of a miserable animal that reproduces by torturing other animals—I think that was a great thing! It’s possible it will turn out bad because of some weird ripple effects, but if things are as I’ve supposed, then it seems pretty great. In case you doubt my position, as you can see below, I’ve depicted it as the Chad and the alternative view as the crying angry person, so it’s very likely true.

>>519295289
imagine reincarnating into this

>>519295312
Working does really suck, people work hard for their money and suffer massively doing manual labor to make money being forced to give some of that money they worked so hard for to disabled people does seem pretty unfair.

>>519295176 (OP)
well i guess the political implications are you cityfags are going to eat ze bugs in your 15 minute walkable niggercattle feedlots while im still eating eggs and meat. i dont nees the government since im not a niggercattle that crys about baby chickens

>>519295315
Mmmmm. Tatsey chicken nuggies.

>>519295176 (OP)
>>519295315
>>519295484
This shit is fucking satanic. How is this allowed?

>>519295458
based! This is why humans should reproduce as much as possible and build as much infrastructure as possible

>>519295176 (OP)
maybe in your country

>>519295176 (OP)
There's egg shells like they were freshly hatched. So how did they know so fast they were male? This looks more like the video that explains what Biden did to make egg prices so high. Killed all chickens for no reason other than to make us suffer for not submitting to his bullshit

>>519295401
>muh feelings
Shut the fuck up faggot. Factory farms and nature itself are infinitely more horrifying. You're just a myopic nigger that can't think about anything beyond yourself and your knee jerk reactions.

>>519295542
the trump administration is actively trying to get rid of state level animal welfare laws
>>519295563
Germany is still a shit hole for animal rights, gestational crates are still allowed, so is selectively breeding animals to grow too big too fast, etc etc

>>519295479
This is why an heroing isn't worth it. You have no idea what horrors could await.

>>519295542
Animals die if they are killed
Go vegan

>>519295484
>Working does really suck
No it doesnt you lazy worthless fuck. Neither does suffering, you fucking child. and yes, disabled people better find some niche to make money or die trying

>>519295542
we have to feed a giant herd of niggercattle our welfare state has produced, same goes with roundup. maybe klause swab is right, maybe we sgould get rid of the useless eaters

>>519295479
>lack of cerebral cortex
How can you reincarnate as something that doesn't even have a brain? You're just as likely to reincarnate as a tree or something.

>>519295589
There's ways they test them, sometimes they breed them so the males are a different color, humans inspect them on an assembly line etc etc
That video is from an undercover investigation so idk
>>519295633
Both can be bad, you can oppose factory farms and nature
>>519295556

>>519295837
>Both can be bad, you can oppose factory farms and nature
I was talking about the genetically engineered brainless meat pig

>>519295542
It's funny how christcucks say this about their own culture but hate mudslimes that don't allow this type of animal killing.

>>519295176 (OP)
How the fuck could you work here?

>>519295176 (OP)
It's only the case because meat from male animals is tougher and doesn't taste quite as good. It's why males of all species are culled pretty quick actually in animal agriculture.
Point being, they would have lived far longer lives and had an actual use if you where less picky and more informed about your food.

>>519295176 (OP)
Do you also cry for flies caught in fly traps? They're not sentient and you're barley making it

>>519295778
lol
>>519295784
You can feed more people with grains then with grain fed meat
>>519295834
don't fish lack one? Maybe I'm mixing up structures

>feminists like abortion
>feminists want to believe fetuses can't suffer/be conscious at least not until very late in pregnancy
>if fish can't suffer/aren't conscious then fetuses can't suffer/be conscious (complex neurological similarities discussed in video below)
>Feminists argue in bad faith fish almost certainly can't suffer

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NhCxCLZXYtA

https://defendingfeminism.substack.com/p/do-fish-and-shrimp-suffer-agonizing

I think shrimp and fish are conscious and can experience a significant amount of suffering (at least one percent as much as a human). This is why I donate to charities like shrimp welfare (to stun shrimp before they're killed) https://www.shrimpwelfareproject.org/
What do you think?

>>519295837
>humans inspect them on an assembly line
There's NO WAY to tell on a freshly hatched egg. It takes 4 weeks. How old are those videos? Was it during Biden's reign of terror? It would be like a fucking lefty to use this as some PETA bullshit to deflect.

>>519295542
Go back to plebbit hippy faggot

>>519295176 (OP)
Better to end it before it even really began

>>519295458
That sustains life you mongoloid nigger. Life requires life to live. Putting babies from any creature in a grinder is satanic and nothing is worse. You're just an oblivious fucking chink. It's obvious you're asian. Tell me I'm wrong Mr. "Logic"

>>519295954
hahal is just about how they're slaughtered, they can still live their entire lives in tiny cages
>>519295968
Illegal immigrant, convicted felon, etc

>>519295176 (OP)
>What are the political implications of factory farms where over 95% of animal products in USA Canada Australia UK etc etc come from?
There are no political implications.
People still get their eggs and their chicken meats. Are you retarded?
You could ask about the spiritual implications, or the moral implications, but you're too stupid to understand words.

>>519295511
thats prob fed to animals

>>519296024
grains arent a complete ration and you know it. humans need high grade protein and fats from animals to thrive

>Tens of millions of male chicks are killed every year
moids of every species should be slaughtered

>>519295978
>It's only the case because meat from male animals is tougher
it's an egg farm you retard
male chickens dont lay eggs
nothing to do with the meat

>>519295978
>t. never had ox meat
its the balls man

>>519295176 (OP)
>What are the political implications of factory farms where over 95% of animal products in USA Canada Australia UK etc etc come from?
The implication is that most human cattle (especially Angloids) are products of a profoundly evil system. They owe their lives to endless horrors. When the human factory farm no longer needs them, it will thrown them into the meat grinder just the same.

Soon. Karma is real.

>>519296045
Videos of this process have existed since before 2019
>>519296152
Politics and morals are inseparable

>>519295978
wrong. laying hens and meat chickens are different birds entirely retard. same with milk cows

So what? I'm already fine with the way chickens are killed by the squillion every day, why should I feel differently about this?

>>519295542
Lol 'demonic', its chickens being killed in a meat factory designed for killing chickens, how did you think it was done

>>519295176 (OP)
does one see more than one cock in nature per 6 female chickens?

>>519295289
Equally evil and insane.

>>519296166
It's also used as fertilizer which is why vegans should avoid organic vegan food, it makes factory farming more profitable.
>>519296203
Women can't enforce their own rights.
>>519296354
Correct.

>>519295542
We do worse shit to our own babies.

>>519296354
are you sure?
of course they sell the milk cows as meat for human consumption when they get old

>>519295542
>This shit is fucking satanic. How is this allowed?
How much of your slop ("QoL") are you willing to give up to stop this?

>>519296451
Circumcision? Abortion? Piglets are castrated without anesthetic and cows are slaughtered while pregnant all the time, fetal bovine serum is very valuable

>>519296521
vegan chicken nuggets taste almost identical to actual chicken nuggets and don't necessarily contain so y, some are made of wheat gluten

>>519296558
Those chicks are unironically dying faster and to greater purpose than 99.999% of abortions

>>519296272
Unironically satanism is embedded in the philosophy of the Anglo-American Empire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WqxMOfXYlg

>>519295176 (OP)
is there a factory game where i get to do this and send the pulp through various mechanical and chemical processes to extract resources

>>519295176 (OP)
lmao this is so fucking retarded as someone who was on a farm as a kid were animals were killed the old fashion way by hand.
The death of those chicks is basically instantaneous, people are just affected by the aesthetic of it which is meaningless as far as I'm concerned, it absolves a need in an efficient way, an animal that is getting killed cares little if you do it by shredding it in a fraction of a second or in a field of poppies with a gas that puts them to sleep.

>>519296664
I think it's significantly less than 99% but still very high

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TYQ37a8QCVc

Inb4 bodily autonomy, it's self defense, it's a parasite, it's not conscious so it doesn't matter etc etc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SembwMzMePQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xpFaXu_CGmg

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0OV30m4gUp4

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E2oRrVdAyZw

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V_YCRBl8Y_4

The earliest case for which I believe the precautionary principle should hold was around 43-45 days. Which comes out to be 6.1-6.4 weeks.

The fetal brain begins to develop around 3-5 weeks gestation. So I am okay with abortions prior to that timeframe.

It's hard to say what the levels of sentience equate to at each week. But I wouldn't not assume this is a miniscule amount of sentience. Many EEG brain patterns observed in fetal brains as early as 6.1-6.4 weeks ( high voltage
slow waves with superimposed fast activity) are comparable to mature birds, mature frogs, mature rabbits and the mature marmot. We can even observe sleep spindles in the fetal brain this early.

Does this prove the same degree of sentience? No. Does this give us reason to take the precautionary principle with respect to this degree of sentience? Yes

>>519296110
Whats the alternative then? Let them starve? Just let loose hordes of male chickens that no one wants even for meat?

>>519295176 (OP)
I worked at a small company that recycled restaurant food into an animal feed base ingredient. We sometimes made deals with McDonalds, for example, to take in dozens of skids of off-spec burger patties. But one such contract was with a chick hatchery. The wheeled bins, just like the ones used for recycling today, came off the truck cheeping because of all the eggs that hatched en route to us, and also some bins being filled with male chicks. It was pretty grim dumping such bins onto the sorting line and letting the poor bastards go into the grinder. Cleaning that grinder wasn't much fun either. The employees actually got the boss to reject the contract because it was so bad. Even though we only got the bins a few times per month.

>>519295176 (OP)
also because roosters dont taste good

>>519296805
don't breed them

>>519295637
>Germany is still a shit hole for animal rights
compared to who?

>>519296640
>>How much of your slop ("QoL") are you willing to give up to stop this?
>uhhh... vegan chicken nuggets?
You see? You're unwilling to give up any of your vile slop, not even the most trivial of it. Now feel free to consult >>519296272 about the consequences of your belief system.

>>519295289
Now that's evil

Who cares theyre birds, I eat birds, its nature.

>>519296911
basically any animal sanctuary

>>519295542
Jews.

>>519296911
To everybody. I never saw zoophiles parades before I saw that video in Germany, I will never forget you sick fucks.

>>519296907
Uumm...

>>519296462
they do not, holsteins are all bones, they dairy i grew up by gave them away for free because they have very little value as meat. costs to much to fatten sin they grow slower and have a larger bone frame with less meat.

>>519297153
Judaism
Hitler said this was one problem with it, yeshua puts a big difference with animals and humans
Because made in the image of God
Also what about human evolution and racism?

>>519295506
I'm pretty sure that negroes do not care about these issues at all.

>>519295176 (OP)
non-veganism = satanism

The elite do the same thing to humans in senseless wars like Ukraine.

Feminism and the Disposable Male
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp8tToFv-bA

If you are a lower class male, (You) are expendable.

Obligatory post for the "male chicks" thread.
https://youtu.be/KE2VK1uU9I8
This video is required watching to participate in this thread.

>>519297054
like the PETA ones?
>>519297324
things never happened
i do you a favor dont pull the retard from 2023
you wont like his name and his background

>>519297519
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhMo4WlBmGM

>>519297488
>The elite do the same thing to humans in senseless wars like Ukraine.
Correct. What's wrong with that? It's the same system doing both, operating on the same principles. Human cattle is long overdue to pay the toll.

>>519295289
how much for whole meat pig butchered pls

The chicken has a symbiotic relationship with the human, in exchange for its delicious meat, it offloads all the work of its existence to the human.
Because of this exchange it has become the most populous bird species on Earth. It's a genius evolutionary strategy that has worked wonders.
If the meat industry didn't exist, neither would those chickens. How would that be a kindness?

>>519295953
why not just grow electro stimulated muscle fibers? If you have the tech to make those abominations you can just cut the middle man.

>>519297611
>uhm sweaty?
>we are actually doing these creatures a favor by bringing them into a horror shitshow existence
Of course the vilest take in the entire thread comes from your specific flag.

>>519296805
If you intentionally breed animals on a scale that large you are responsible. Why should I find a solution? I'm not the one breeding millions of chickens then killing them. Maybe people should have more land for a cheaper price and raise livestock instead of pretending we NEED to kill chicks or all of humanity will die. It's called an "add on". Instead of just raising 6 chickens of your own you have to subscribe to the governments method of raising livestock. You have no choice. They will take your animals if you try it and kill them. These people are fucking idiots and trying to argue for them will just make you the same. You retards are so restricted by other people's explanations you can't figure anything out on your own.
>dis da way it always been since i am kid, are you say it wrong? make better solution for fix problem den
Fucking retards everywhere all the time.

>>519297753
It's better to be alive with some strife than to never have a chance at life at all. Most sane humans suffer but are still thankful to exist.

>>519297426
He's half black
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CFnsglbN-fk

>>519297488
Only if you let them

>But but but if I quit my wagie job and stop helping circumcisers I'll become homeless and have no money!!

Maybe or maybe not. Doesn't matter don't be a pussy.

In Minecraft if you want to be the ultimate Minecraft neet

Get a bow and arrows
Get a chest
Get a small shovel
Get a Minecraft mod to get Silica Gel Packets Desiccant things they only cost a few emeralds in the mod
Go to a place NOT NEAR YOUR BASE if someone makes it so you can't even go within 500 blocks of your base you still need to be able to access your chest
Dig a deep hole

Put bow and arrow, at least a couple hundred emeralds and the Silica Gel Packets Desiccant things in your chest. Optionally also add stuff like a small sword.
Close chest up very tightly.
Put chest at bottom of hole and cover with dirt blocks.
WHEN YOU GO TO SPOT WHERE YOU WILL BURY THE CHEST LEAVE YOUR MAP AND COMPASS AT YOUR BASE DON'T BRING THEM WITH YOU. IF YOU HAVE A PHONE MOD OR MODERN CAR MOD DON'T BRING THOSE WITH YOU EITHER

final step

If you ever become homeless or whatever in Minecraft go dig up your chest and do PvP before jumping into lava

If you are making a stash in Minecraft don't bury it at your Minecraft base you live at in game bury it somewhere like a public park in the Minecraft server and make sure you bury it somewhere easy to find like next to some sort of landmark in the server.
>>519297521
Yes vegan animal sanctuaries for farm animals (usually "stolen" from farms)
>>519297605
Why don't you go play in the human safari for foids entertainment

https://files.catbox.moe/33twkx.mp4
The video depicts two woman laughing at a ukrainian man trying to evade conscript because he doesn’t want to be blown up by russian artillery

Who do you empathize with more the man running for his life, or the women relaxing on the side, mocking him as he’s hunted down by soldiers

>>519297605
>Human cattle is long overdue to pay the toll.
Only goyim thougheverbeit

>>519295589
>how did they know so fast they were male?
Because they're "sex-link" breeds, hybrids meant for laying and females will all be red or black depending on the breed and males will be white so that they can be quickly sorted and culled.
You faggots ought to take up raising chickens and keep all the roosters you hatch.

>>519297611
Congrats, that's the most jewish take I've read this month.

>>519297572
Herzog is funny, but from my perspective, the difference between him and a chicken is not that big.

>>519297900
> blakk
I recently discovered, to my horror, that my formerly blonde ass hair is now dark.

>>519295978
all beef comes from steer, castrated bulls, and roosters don't lay eggs

>>519297858
Bri they're fucking chickens
Unless you're a vegetarian, you're already fine with chickens being killed en mass daily for millions of people to have chicken

>>519295654
>>519295479
While it's pretty brutal, and you should avoid eating factory meats;
It's still a very quick death that they will barely notice.
When I kill my roosters, it's a far more disturbing picture.

>>519295637
>It's Trump's fault all of these are happening!
Nigger there were clips like the OP's floating around for a decade.

>>519296080
Only fag here is you, soulless automaton.

>>519297935
>Congrats, that's the most jewish take I've read this month.
That's exactly what you'd say when you have no actual refutation.
If you think that it's wrong to live with suffering they why are you still standing?
Obviously you value life more, why wouldn't you apply those same principles to a chicken?
On a biological level, existence and propagation are the most important things and the chicken is winning bigly in that regard. Other species can only dream of such success.

>>519297896
I think never being born is preferable to being a egg laying hen in a factory farm

I’ll just discuss one such case—the case of the egg-laying hen, with the facts gathered from this report. https://welfarefootprint.org/research-projects/laying-hens/ Egg-laying hens in conventional farms endure about 400 hours (!!!!!) of this kind of disabling agony. Remember, this is agony about as bad as the worst thing that’s ever happened to you, unless you’ve had an experience as bad as being severely tortured. This is the agony that makes it impossible to think of anything else. The hens endure about an hour of a day of this extremely intense agony.

This intense pain comes from many sources including (this list is non-exhaustive):

Bone fractures. The majority of hens experience a bone fracture over the course of their life. On average, they have three. Imagine if you broke the same bone three times. This is, and I can’t emphasize this enough, what most hens deal with—the industry that produces our eggs is so cruel that it breaks the bones of most hens multiple times. In fact, the situation is much worse for hens than it would be for us, because the area around their keel bone, which is the most common kind of fracture, has a huge number of nerves. While such experiences in humans usually produce disabling pain for about a day, for chickens, such pain lasts about a week. Often the bone doesn’t heal properly, leading to constant intense agony.

>>519298028
they fatten heifers for mest too.

>>519295176 (OP)
>>519295315
Fuck. This shit really bothers me. I really hate how humanity has treated animals. They're not meant to be used this way. It's really horrible and I worry we are all guilty of some great sin.

>>519297922
dont chicken manure fumes literally smell so bad they have health effects

>>519297896
You will get to test this theory after all your limbs get blown off by drones in some muddy ditch in Eastern Europe. The elites organizing your slaughter are, in fact, the moral ones, because unlike the deformed human cattle their system has bred, they understand the prevalence of stuff like OP's clip needs to be reduced. There's only one way to do that, as your posts are showing.

>>519298118
Democrats are also bad
>>519298217
>>519297896
Injurious pecking. In a hen's natural environment, she’ll spend most of her time pecking the ground looking for food. In a modern farm, hens can’t do that, so they spend a lot of their time pecking other hens, often leading to severe injury (just imagine that you were being bitten all the time by people surrounding you). It’s not terribly uncommon for hens to be pecked to death (seriously imagine what it would be like for that to happen) or for pecking to affect a hen’s body part known as the vent which is particularly sensitive (in this case, for the males reading this, imagine someone biting your balls). Often this becomes infected.

Every one of a hen’s natural behaviors are thoroughly squashed in the farms. Hens cannot make a nest prior to laying an egg, which causes them quite severe distress. Hens are willing to undergo strong electric shocks in order to get a suitable nest—about as strong as the electric shocks they’ll endure in order to get food after being starved for 28 hours (!!!!!). Remember, hens lay an egg roughly daily! This may not seem like a big deal, but only because we don’t appreciate the experience of being a nesting hen; an alien wouldn’t understand why we care about sex so much. Konrad Lorenz, a nobel prize winner summarized:
“The worst torture to which a battery hen is exposed is the inability to retire somewhere for the laying act. For the person who knows something about animals it is truly heart-rending to watch how a chicken tries again and again to crawl beneath her fellow-cage mates to search there in vain for cover”
Whenever you purchase a few cartons of eggs, you are consigning a chicken to living in these horrifying, excruciating conditions.

>>519297731
because the image is made to be shocking.
Life of lifestock isn't as bad as life in the wild if we wouldn't do factory farming and spread out instead of centralize in a city.

>>519297900
>Why don't you go play in the human safari
Because I don't have to. But you do and I applaud your conscription. :^)

>>519298217
You know how many humans live day to day in pain due to injury or long term chronic disease but endure it to put food on the table regardless?
We all know pain and suffering yet we tolerate it regardless because that's what it means to be alive.
Nihility is not preferable otherwise we'd all opt to end ourselves the moment we encounter some discomfort, there's clearly something that drives us to value living.

I don't know you though, maybe you've never had a single bad thing happen to you, maybe you don't work, maybe someone else feeds you and takes care of you and ensures no harm has ever come to you. I guess you're blessed.

>>519298318
Before you next purchase eggs—or chicken, or most any other animal product, though eggs are likely the worst—remember what the worst experience of your life is like, and vividly consider the fact that your purchase will likely cause others to endure many hours of an experience just as bad.

Tragically, the true scenario is much worse than that. Even worse than these scenarios of intense yet bearable pain are experiences that the authors of the report call excruciating pain. This is the sort of pain experienced when a person is brutally tortured or slowly eaten alive or burned to death for minutes; the sorts of pain that, if you’re really brave, you can read about in some detail here. They’re horrible enough to take on an almost qualitatively different dimension—something most of us wouldn’t trade for many decades of happy life. This kind of pain is literally inconceivable—it’s so bad that many people who experience it attempt suicide. A hen might experience this right as she’s being trampled and pecked to death.

Hens experience, on average, about two and a half minutes of this horrifying agony. The hundreds of hens that the average person eats over the course of their life (and yes, your consumption of eggs does cause more hens to be brought into existence, mistreated, and killed) mean that the average person is probably causing several hours of this unfathomable agony—the sort of agony one experiences in the minutes that they die from burning, boiling, being eaten alive, or suffocating to death; the kind of agony worse than being mauled by a dog, worse than childbirth, worse by orders of magnitude than anything you’ve ever experienced. The kind of experience that, to take a contemporary example, George Floyd probably experienced for the minutes that he was suffocating.

The average meat eater causes hours of that!

This is why factory farming is such a great moral emergency. It’s the cause of agony beyond what we could hope to imagine.

>>519296024
>Feminists argue in bad faith fish almost certainly can't suffer
Fish can probably feel pain.

https://benthams.substack.com/p/bad-arguments-against-fish-pain

>How do we decide if a creature experiences pain? You can’t see another’s pain, and other creatures have brains very different from our own (more on that later). But if a creature behaves in various ways that make far more sense if they experience pain than if they don’t, then you should think they probably feel pain. It’s unlikely that they’d behave in many different wa as if they were in pain if they didn’t really feel pain. One such set of criteria indicative of pain comes from a report from Lynne Sneddon—fish meet every criteria.

>There’s a vast body of literature documenting evidence of fish sentience, so I’ll just list some of the most impressive findings and address objections. One study by Sneddon (2012) found that fish who were in pain sought out a location where they were given a painkiller, even if they otherwise liked that location less. This makes sense if they feel pain—of course they’d seek out painkillers if they’re hurting—but is otherwise surprising.

>If fish are given unpleasant electric shocks in some particular location, they learn to avoid that location, but if they haven’t been fed for a long period of time, then they’re willing to re-enter that location to get food.

>>519297611
Isn't this the same as saying slaves should be happy if their master let's them breed?

>>519296110
So what if it sustains life? Life is overrated and gay, and there should be less of it.

>>519298870
I never mentioned happiness.

>>519296934
>genetically engineered animals that are physically incapable of suffering are LE EVIL because, THEY JUST ARE OKAY

>>519295458
This is PETA swill. I live on a farm and if you faggots come fuck around with MY animals you will get the triple S

>>519298832
Amounts we cannot fathom of agony that we cannot fathom. It’s not just egg-laying hens that experience this; it’s ubiquitous in the entire factory farming industry. As Ren says in an article that’s very worth reading, describing her own experience with fairly intense pain:
>>519298853
I agree
>>519298507
I agree there's some instrinic goods besides pleasure like relationships but these chicks don't get those they just suffer and die, there lives don't seem worth living.
I couldn't love someone who isn't vegan.
>Nihility is not preferable otherwise we'd all opt to end ourselves the moment we encounter some discomfort, there's clearly something that drives us to value living.

No because you could still believe in delayed gratification. I know what you mean though.

>>519295176 (OP)
The righteous care for the needs of their animals, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel.

>>519295289
I'd rather eat humans.

>>519299137
>there lives don't seem worth living.
Does yours?
The only people who worry about their life being worth anything are people with too much free time on their hands.

>>519299277
I think so, at least for now

>>519295176 (OP)
Somebody post that chinese pig slaughet house kino

>>519295542
11 bvlls inseminate all the cows.
-only in USA

>>519299449
With artificial insemination it can be one bull per like 200 cows, this happens in UK too

>>519299137
>>519298832
A single broiler chicken experiences fifty hours of [disabiling] pain during their lifespan, which lasts 4-6 weeks. There are 69 billion broilers slaughtered each year. That is so many hours of pain that if you divided those hours among humanity, each human would experience about 400 hours (2.5 weeks) of disabling pain every year. Can you imagine if instead of getting, say, your regular fortnight vacation from work or study, you experienced disabling-level pain for a whole 2.5 weeks? And if every human on the planet - me, you, my friends and family and colleagues and the people living in every single country - had that same experience every year? How hard would I work in order to avert suffering that urgent?

Factory farming is probably responsible for more agony than has ever existed in human history—especially agony of the most intense kind. This massive quantity of agony exists because consumers pay for it. Fortunately, we can do better. There are highly effective organizations working to reduce the extent of animal mistreatment in factory farms, which save around 18 animals from a cruel fate for every dollar they’re given. Additionally, if you’re horrified by this conduct, you can stop paying for it and go vegan.

>>519295176 (OP)
Can someone post the chinese pig slaughter house kino

>>519295315
Vegan bros I'm so sorry.

>>519299843
>>519299403
esl

>>519299907
apologize to the animals, not the vegan humans

>>519295176 (OP)
>>519295315
>NNNOOOOOOOOOOO I WAS SUPPOSED TO SCORE CHUSSY ON A FARM OR DIE IN GLORIOUS BATTLE IN A MEXICAN COCKFIGHTING RING
>HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO REACH CHICKEN VALHALLA LIKE THIS? YOU CAN'T JUST-
WHIRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

>>519295176 (OP)
where I live one block of tofu is the same price as 20-30 eggs, get your act together with the prices basedboy

>>519298076
Shut the fuck up you stupid nonwhite piece of shit. Speak your own fucking language because you just lick my asshole when you speak mine. You submissive little bitch. You'd be bang fucking rocks together outside of white society you pathetic fuck. Go color or finger paint.

>>519295176 (OP)
The implications are lots of cheap mcnuggets.

>>519299560
Atleast UKrain ians understand forests have spirits and fine heavy for clearing it.

>>519300333
more nature = more wild animal suffering
clearing forests is good

>>519295176 (OP)
They are made into dog food, not really a big deal. Have you ever raised chickens? When you hatch 40 eggs and get 20 pullets and 20 cockerels, you have to slaughter most of the cockerels or you will end up overbreeding and stressing the hens. Just like NEET males, the extra ones are useless eaters.

>>519295176 (OP)
You're all retarded
What do you think happens to male chicks on naturl rural farms?
Let me give you a hint: roosters fight each other to death, if you have a flock of chickens, you must leave only one rooster, when the male chicks grow up and start to fight each other, that's the moment you must choose gets to live and who becomes soup/stew
On industrial farms, I guess they dont have time for this and just grinds them into fertiliser

It’s weird that they aren’t worth the meat because it’s cheaper to not feed them

Real “profitable” industry I’m guessing

>>519300498
>more nature = more wild animal suffering
Pursuing nature is nature.

>>519299907
Go vegan. I did because of shit like this and I've been vegan for about 10 years now.

>>519300525
Roosters do okay at vegan animal sanctuaries

>>519295176 (OP)
lab grown meats are banned by conservatives who are in the pockets of the corporate farming industry. this is a violation of free speech and encroaches on the rights of consumers

vegans are ethically correct. you can eat meat but don't sit there in denial of the truth. if you have a chance to eat the same exact thing and it tastes the same, the correct choice is to eat the thing that doesn't require to death of another creature.

>>519295401
>>519295479
>>519296934
there's no brain. nothing is suffering. you fucking idiots

>>519300641
based :)

>>519297611
This is actually a high IQ take, peta members are mad they wont have as many future ostriches to marry. say it with me, these chickens wouldnt exist unless they were cultivated for a purpose by humans, there wouldnt be 75 billion of them on earth as currently, there would be 100 million in the wild. its a trade off these fluffy yellow bros willingly made for being so evolutionarily tasty and crispy. you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.

>>519295542
Out of sight, out of mind. Most people do not understand where food comes from, so they don't make choices to stop this kind of shit.
>>519295589
You're a fucking retard.
>>519296045
Yes, there is a way to tell you colossal fucking niggerfaggot. This has been done since the 1960s. It is called vent sexing, they pick it up, look at its junk, and toss the females in the line for the brooders, and the males in the line for the grinder.
>>519295711
Veganism is not logical. It does not reduce suffering as much as other lifestyle choices.
>>519295978
You are literally the dumbest pavement ape to ever bix nood.

>>519297896
I praised the dead who have been long dead more than the living who are yet alive. Yes, better than them both is him who has not yet been, who has not seen the evil work that is done under the sun.

>>519300525
Not really, but almost true. You can have about 1 rooster per 10 hens, and any more than that can become a problem. The main problem is not roosters killing each other, but hens getting overbred. This stresses them badly and reduces the amount of eggs they lay. Roosters fight over hens all the time, but they very rarely kill each other. Cock fights involve strapping razor blades on the rooster's spurs, that's why people have this misconception.

>>519297611
>>519300817

chicken didn't choose this

humans are fucking it up if they make the animal suffer and oh by the way chicken wings get smaller and smaller every year because they want to sell as much meat as possible instead of sell a healthier, bigger product. the same problem exists in the fishing industry

>>519295176 (OP)
to be fair, they also do this to the female chicks for the meat chickens

>>519300103
How much are dry rice and beans?

>>519300785
>there's no brain. nothing is suffering. you fucking idiots
Are you sure about that?

>>519297372
Yes they do. Cull cows are graded as Commercial, Utility, Cutter, or Canner depending on quality. They are used for making ground beef, or processed beef products like hot dogs, canned beef, etc.
>>519296805
Raise normal chickens, eat the males, keep the females for laying. You know, like everyone did for thousands of years until the 1950s. We don't have to have horrible mutant freak livestock, it is a choice.

>>519300823
>Veganism is not logical. It does not reduce suffering as much as other lifestyle choices.

What does that mean? Some vegans aren't even utilitarians they're deontologists

>>519300870
Sorry
While my parents did kept chickens, I guess we never had many of them
I know for sure that we had maximum 2 roosters, one older and one younger
When the little roosterinos started to create troubles we'd cut their heads and made stew or soup
Outdoor rooster meat is chewy and needs lots of time to boil/braise

>>519295315
fuck bros. I'm about to turn vegan

yum yum yum i will never stop eating eggs i heart dead chickens

>>519295315
At least it's being used for pets food and not thrown away, right?

>>519301568
there is no need to be upset. it's not senseless slaughter

Chickenshits can't handle reality in this ITT thread lmao

>>519295176 (OP)
Since i found out about gnosticism, everything i see confirms it to be true. Thank you demiurge for this SHIT WORLD!

>>519301568
you should. there's free dieticians and stuff in their discords https://m.youtube.com/@AskYourself
https://m.youtube.com/@AviMD

>>519295506
oh, i really would like to suck milk from that boob

>>519296864
Cockerels do.
>>519298028
No it doesn't, retard. Steers and heifers are both beef.
>>519300641
>>519300788
>>519299907
Veganism does not reduce harm, it is purely something low IQ people do to feel better about themselves.

>>519296024
Eat the grain goy

>>519295289
Remeber that without all the luxury we'd running behind our meat all day to hunt and get it on a stone made plate. Without meat we'd all die like sissy's like the Basedboys we know today.
>>519295289
Great idea to start eaten artificially created growing meat. Pretends to be noble but are the real empty soulles humans after all

>>519301741
Nothing gets thrown away
I worked at a poultry processing industrial site, they made pet food with their entrails and heads/claws
Fish food with the blood and fertilisers with the feathers

>>519300985
Did you choose to be born? an untold amount of "suffering" will happen to satiate your appetite during your lifespan as a human, there is literally nothing you can eat on this planet that is not alive. Do me a favor and stop eating. inb4 green beans dont feel pain.

>>519301741
they liquify and feed them to the next generation of chickens

>>519296640
> vegan chicken nuggets taste almost identical to actual chicken nuggets
No they don't.
> and don't necessarily contain so y,
99.99% of them are onions based
>some are made of wheat gluten
It doesn't change much, they're still crap.
Chicken nuggets themselves are usually shit, let alone ones not made from chicken. Of course anything is edible if you just want some fried garbage

>>519301755
>as feed for...swines and poultry
Justs fucking Christ their feeling them other chickens dead chicks. Holy fuck anon

>>519301824
You can believe in God and believe wild animal suffering is bad
https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-archon-abandonment-theodicy?utm_source=publication-search
>>519301886
Sure it does, animals suffer massively in factory farms. Less animal suffering and death is caused by buying bread then buying beef (including grass fed and pasture raised)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WJoVbNTu6Pc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZOymBp1vvk

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s91z2a4obPI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aKubphZfLvQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nZEu9B67MBI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aemowmo8iNk

>>519302179
yeah? how do you think mad cow (prion disease) spreads? cannibalism is common in agriculture

>>519301568
That's how the stupid fucking vegans get you. They'll show you the worst possible animal agriculture practices in existence without mentioning there's a better way. I guarantee you the eggs you'd buy from a local farmers market don't have chick shredders anywhere near them. There's a reason vegans are breaking into those facilities and getting footage of their practices, it's actually quite comfy.
>But it's three times the cost!
Then don't complain about how the market finds efficiency if you're not willing to pay for it to be inefficient but substantable.

>>519295176 (OP)
This is what should happen to jeets

>>519301242
if there's a brain needed, it's not a viable solution

>>519295176 (OP)
That's how McNuggets are made.

Careful anon, I've been banned many times for posting "gore", simply by showing how Mutt food is made.

>>519295176 (OP)
The filling between the wafers inside Kit Kats is made from ................... OTHER KIT KATS!!!!

>>519301358
It means what it says. Being a vegan makes very little difference to the amount of animal suffering and death. Switching to a mainly grass fed beef diet reduces animal deaths and suffering far more than being vegan does.
>>519302256
>Sure it does, animals suffer massively in factory farms
Animals suffer massively due to industrial farming. Being a vegan does not get around this. Billions of animals are deliberately killed in slow painful ways (mainly poison) to produce your vegan food.

>>519295542
>This shit is fucking satanic. How is this allowed?
You consciously choose to support this every time you go to McDonalds and buy some chicken nuggets.

What exactly did you think you were eating retard? Gumdrops and rainbows?

>>519302285
animals are still abused horribly at local small family owned farms, just search diy pig castration no anesthetic on YouTube and click any of the first results

>>519302511
>Being a vegan makes very little difference to the amount of animal suffering and death.
You're right. We need more of this to prevent 2 squirrels from dying to a combine.

>>519296045
>There's NO WAY to tell on a freshly hatched egg.
You have absolutely no fucking idea what you're talking about. Chicken sexers make good money sexing day old chicks. Hatcheries do not wait 4 weeks.

>>519302355
Reminder that veganism is just a token third option to support the red vs. blue psyop dichotomy trying to make you pick between satanic toxic slop (factory farming) and satanic toxic slop (lab-grown meat). Its main function is to make the other two look sane in comparison and also to drag supporters of normal farming practices into endless and useless debates.

>>519295479
>imagine reincarnating into this
All people who groom other people's children online will be re- incarnated to this in an endless loop forever
Check 'em

>>519296521
>How much of your slop ("QoL") are you willing to give up to stop this?
They couldn't stomach having to pay $5 for humanely raised tendies instead of $3.

The torture of sentient beings is well-worth the dopamine rush they get from cheap sloppa. Nevermind that the carcinogens present will cause them untold suffering from their cancer diagnosis down the line.

>>519295289
I will improve it removing the hoofs and all the bones outside the ribs

>>519295315
>>519295176 (OP)
they sell eggs here where it says "no male chick killing" on the box
i buy those and hope its true

>>519297153
>Jews.
Last I checked Cargill was 100% Goy-owned and they've been doing this shit since the late 1800s, before any Jew stepped foot on Ellis Island.

>>519302179
>their feeling them other chickens dead chicks
Wait until you find out what they feed the hogs LMAO

>>519302854
>i'm willing to give up 2 dollars (to go back to the Golden Age of Capitalism)
A man of principle.

Why is there no human farms? Human nuggets could be a thing.

>>519303243
>Human nuggets could be a thing
>flag

nobody show him how foxes hunt chickens

>>519302511
There's no good evidence grass fed beef causes less animal suffering or rights violations then eating conventionally farmed grains, carnists refuse to defend this in debates
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FExB_t6D0Do

>>519302511
Animals do die when farming plants, animals also suffer and die in nature. If you can't prove more animals suffer and die on a acre of wheat fields then an acre of wild land why should I care about it?

Besides over 99% of animal agriculture is grain fed, more animals die because you have to feed an animal multiple pounds of grains to get a single pound of meat instead of you yourself just eating a pound of grains. If you will cherry pick the 1% of animal agriculture that is grass fed and pasture raised then I can cherry pick the 1% of plant agriculture that is veganic and doesn't use harmful pesticides and stuff. Do you have evidence pasture raised beef causes less suffering and death then veganic wheat?

>>519302256
Mainstream christianity doesn't make any sense when you examine it. It just won over gnosticism because gnosticism is quite anti natalist and is not a tool of social control and cohesion.

>>519301568
>>519302285
Vegans are the healthiest people and live the longest. We're also the only people who can claim to have real morals without being complete hypocrites.

And FYI, the psyop the vegans are "leftists" is hilarious. Hitler was a vegan and had people doing practices like OP's pic shot.

>>519303304
>flag

>>519302981
Male chickens really are fucked to deal with, I have a flock right now and im torn between killing them or giving them a chance in the IRL rust server and dumping them on the side of the road somewhere. And I almost feel bad for the hens when their chicks die, but the hens will ditch their chickens at about 2 months and will not give a fuck what happens to them so I dont even think they actually care about eachother they just have this instinct to take care of their chicks till a certain point.

>>519302726
>lab grown meat is satanic
>source: trust me bro
>i am afraid of new things, i am afraid of change

it's been banned from the market by conservatives before consumers have even been allowed to make a choice or see for themselves if they like it. fuck off

>>519302981
What about no debeaking? No battery cages? No selectively breed hens that develop osteoporosis from laying too many eggs too fast?
>>519303357
The author of that article is a theist not a Christian, I agree mainstream Christianity has serious problems scriptural inerrancy is obviously false for example.

>>519303353
>carnists refuse to defend this in debates
There is literally no argument that they have beyond "muh protein" and "muh b12".

They are squashed like bugs in every other area. Including health, longevity, well-being, etc. Their love of corpse-eating is in fact the #1 reason for illness and death.

>>519303415
Yes, but yours is literally the flag of human nuggets at this point.

>>519295176 (OP)
kek - and they told us the nazis were "efficient"...

>>519303516
>what if i repeat this hyper-cliched, low IQ strawman
At least you're no longer pretending your shilling is actually about veganism.

>>519303516
>it's been banned from the market by conservatives before consumers have even been allowed to make a choice

As they should. Attempting to fix an abomination by creating an even greater abomination is not good.

>>519303671
I agree it's about convenience, taste, profit etc there are edge cases however like a "vegan" like Bryan Johnson supplementing animal collagen while following a vegan diet or a "vegan" purchasing and feeding their cat meat

>>519303387
Veganism is a luxury of modern supplements and infrastructure. Your entire way of life is literally a luxury.
Also, veganism is associated with better health outcomes but not longevity. This is probably because people who care enough about their health to hold a specific diet probably care about their health enough to take care of themselves in other ways as well. However, they live just as long as average.
I would also make the argument that the only rule in the natural world is that might makes right, meaning what is moral is what can be enforced. The lion is not immoral for eating the gazelle. The lion is mentally insane to abandon the gazelle and eat the grass.

>>519303879
If you're going to indulge this ultrafaggot beyond the mandatory chadhominem, at least remind him that consoomers don't actually make any choices, which invalidates his entire premise.

>>519295458
>reads a single substack post from some midwit who just discovered antinatalism
>plagiarizes a quote about animal suffering he can't even attribute
>concludes the most "objectively moral" thing to do is help globalists pave over the entire planet
>posts a chad wojak to validate his new profound worldview
Incredible. You've reached the exact same philosophical conclusion as a depressed 15 year old goth who just listened to The Smiths for the first time. Please, enlighten us more with your galaxy brained insights, I'm sure they're completely original and not just a tired cope for your own pathetic impotence.

>>519295484
>Working does really suck, people work hard for their money and suffer massively doing manual labor to make money being forced to give some of that money they worked so hard for to disabled people does seem pretty unfair.
The majority of people who bitch about work don't do anything, sit in an air conditioned office and get harassed by a middle manager who also does nothing, sits in an air conditioned officer and gets harassed by middle upper management etc etc etc.

>>519295289
lmfao this is awesome
>>519295176 (OP)
this is fucked but I think they turn this into pet food.

i wonder if lab grown meat really will be the future

>>519295289
>bound and strung up in the air
>constantly inseminated
H-hot. Do they use another faceless abomination biologically engineered for cooming?

>>519303900
>there are edge cases however like a "vegan" like Bryan Johnson supplementing animal collagen while following a vegan diet or a "vegan" purchasing and feeding their cat meat
Feeding a cat meat is fine, because it is a carnivore by it's nature.

Humans are frugivores by nature. We have long digestive systems that don't take well to eating meat. It putrefies in our guts, creating a multitude of toxins which leads to bodily collapse and disease.

Dr. T. Colin Campbell showed that just removing animal protein alone made developing cancer virtually impossible. Let alone it being the primary reason for atherosclerosis and diabetes. All of the top three killers are a direct result of meat eating.

This message of truth has enraged the big ag kikes. That's why they created psyops like the keto and carnivore campaigns to keep people entranced into eating this garbage.

>>519303979
>Veganism is a luxury of modern supplements and infrastructure. Your entire way of life is literally a luxury.

Depending on how you define luxury maybe yes. Who cares? It's cheaper, if you teleported me back 1000 years I'd eat oysters, seaweed, get sunlight (I'm white so I'd move somewhere sunny if I had to) etc and make it work.
>Also, veganism is associated with better health outcomes but not longevity. This is probably because people who care enough about their health to hold a specific diet probably care about their health enough to take care of themselves in other ways as well. However, they live just as long as average.

They control for as much as they can in the studies like income. Explain why vegans live longer then vegetarians in the seventh day Adventist study?

>>519295176 (OP)
AT LEAST GAS THEM FIRST YOU JUDAIC NIGGERS

>>519304194
>I think they turn this into pet food.
That is turned into the infamous "pink slime" that constitutes your chicken nuggies.

>>519304066
Fuck consoomers and fuck normalfags. They are scum.

>>519303979
>Veganism is a luxury
Veganism is the cheapest diet to follow. Humans have never eaten as much meat in history as they do now. Similarly, humans have never been so diseased.

The only comparable people would be medieval Kings, who were also bloated, their guts filled with putrefying corpses, and similarly diseased.

>>519304273
The only reason "vegans" exist in the animal kingdom is because of opportunity. If vegan animals have the opportunity at animal calories, they typically take it.
>Pic related
You defy nature and god with your choices. I actually consider veganism a sin because it's a mockery of God's creation. Thinking you know better than your creator about what your needs are is laughable at best and deeply concerning for your eternal soul (if you even have one) at worst.
But let's not focus on you being a dirty sinner. Post your shitty study for me to rip apart with logic.

>>519304155
Yes but those people are no different from people on welfare, those "jobs" are just welfare with extra steps.
>>519304216
Well it's fine for the cat but it's not fine for the animals that are raped into existence, tortured and slaughtered to be fed to the cat.
>Dr. T. Colin Campbell showed that just removing animal protein alone made developing cancer virtually impossible.

This sounds like pseudoscience. Vegans have lower rates of cancer and all cause mortality but it's far from zero.

I don't think raw veganism is the best diet.
>>519304332
Pigs are killed in gas chambers but it's extremely painful. They use CO2

>>519295315
Tendies! Nam Nam,/thanks/ A-hole, I got a craving Chicken nuggets now

>>519304505
>Fuck consoomers and fuck normalfags.
That's right. Fuck you. Why make false arguments about "consoomer choice" when you know you're a programmable meat automaton?

>Veganism is the cheapest diet to follow.
Your entire family should be forced to follow it with no supplementations of any kind.

>>519304621
>has no argument
>resorts to religious hysterics
Genesis 1:29 (KJV):
"And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat."

>>519295176 (OP)
(((Shareholder))) Profit maximization.
Funny thing is, they can select before hatching and the cost margin is likely less than 5%

>>519302376
this isnt mutt-style slaughter.. this is pislam or pisraeli slaughter.

>shechita

>>519304505
You misunderstand what I mean by luxury. It's a luxury because without modern equipment, agriculture practices, processing, marketing, and distribution, you'd be a weak little malnourished piece of shit within a year of being a vegan. Without heavy supplements and vegan designer products your lifestyle choices would be a slow voluntary death. If you had to do manual labor, like grow your own veggies without mechanical or animal aid, you'd be begging for a steak before much time at all passes.

>>519304686
>This sounds like pseudoscience
Pic rel. The most well-documented nutritional study in history.

>>519304742
Don't go into hysterics. I'm supposed to be the emotional leftie here, remember?

>>519295176 (OP)
Could feed them to pigs I guess.

>>519304621
I can post anecdotal examples of carnivorous animals helping animals of other species. I can post anecdotal examples of homosexual animals. So what?
I don't have the study on hand but here's one
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4191896/
>>519304742
>Veganism is the cheapest diet to follow.
>Your entire family should be forced to follow it with no supplementations of any kind.
>>519304273

>>519295176 (OP)
Those chicks become compost.

>>519303495
Let nature kill them. At least some animal will get a meal out of it.

Making these machines to grinds them up is something only a Jew could make.

>>519304984
>>519304505
>Fuck consoomers and fuck normalfags.
That's right. Fuck you. Why make false arguments about "consoomer choice" when you know you're a programmable meat automaton?

>Veganism is the cheapest diet to follow.
Your entire family should be forced to follow it with no supplementations of any kind.

>>519304821
Please don't gloss over the fact that I literally asked for a source so that I could argue against it without religious influence.
I am objectively correct in my views here. Religion, science, logic, and basic reality all back me up. It's not my fault someone else turns a blind eye to reason and instead follows their emotion.

>>519304943
>>519304273
If by modern you mean any technology invented in the past few hundred years

>>519298335
factory farmer here.
we eat so much meat for so cheap in the US we need to cram as much animals as we can as cheaply as possible. spreading people out just makes my logistic chain cost more.

reality is that people dont want expensive meat.

>>519304943
>It's a luxury because without modern equipment, agriculture practices, processing, marketing, and distribution
Grains are historically the cheapest food to produce by far. The vast majority of all of our ancestors lived primarily on grains. Not meats.

>you'd be a weak little malnourished piece of shit within a year of being a vegan
It's 2025 get some new material.

>If you had to do manual labor, like grow your own veggies without mechanical or animal aid
I do a job requiring intense physical labor. I like to eat nuts, grains, and greens to get my protein. I am jacked and run circles around my co-workers, due to not clogging my veins with saturated fat.

>>519295176 (OP)
this is hell

>>519305265
sounds about right, unfortunately people also don't want more expensive electronics or chocolate which is why they buy iPhones instead of fairphones or regular chocolate instead of fair trade chocolate.
Unfortunately most people are basically NPCs and the elites who are currently in power are evil

good riddance
fuck dinosaurs

>>519305190
>I am objectively correct in my views here
I could bury you in thousands of studies on this subject. I have done so on both /pol/ and /fit/ for nearing a decade and never once has anyone managed to debunk even one of my studies.

The de facto response is usually "vegan propaganda".

>>519305064
You and your whole family in a concentration camp. Nothing but "vegan" food native to the area, zero artificial supplementation. The guards take a photo of each one of you, once per day, to create a timelapse of your bodies wasting away. Once the neurological symptoms start (e.g. chronic B12 deficiency nerve damage) they can maybe document the outcome with video clips. When you all finally die, your ordeal should be compiled into an episode of a documentary series about the consequences of degenerate ideologies. The state should broadcast it on national TV. How's that for 'comfy'?

>>519305064
That study literally supports my argument, not yours. If you care enough about your health to adhere to a strict diet, you probably care about it enough to take of yourself in other ways as well. Meaning better health outcomes, even if you choose to hurt yourself in ways like veganism. However, it does nothing to extend your life. Vegans, vegetarians, and meat eaters all have the same expected longevity and that's exactly what that study you linked says.
Please learn to read scientific literature before attempting to argue with me again, thank you.

>>519295176 (OP)
Zero reason they should be killed so early. You could still get 2 tendies off each bird if you let it grow for a year.

This is just more evils of factory farming, and a product of the farm to market wageslave system.

>>519304943
why is it all or nothing for meat eaters?

you dont have to meat for every meal. i work at a factory farm and though i eat meat i understand that by doing so i AM killing something that doesnt want to be. i dont want to be vegan but i still try to minimize the hurt i do

>>519305575
l'll be screencapping this post to use as an example for how deranged ketolards are BTW

>>519305460
>>519305265
I'm an accountant. I can tell you that while it is true that the cost impact prices. This is overly exaggerated by businesses.
This is done to maintain profit margins for shareholders demands.
Look at COVID. While, there is record inflation, prices far exceeded the actual rate.
Why? Because the shareholders want the business to perform and compete like a speculative finance asset.
This is turn leads to unethical cost cutting i.e. hiring illegals, importing jeets and horrible conditions for animals/workers.

>>519305356
Grains became the primary calorie after we built civilizations. So the last 3,000 years. Before that, we were hunter gathers for about 500,000 years (minimum) and our primary calories came from animal proteins. There was a decrease in height, bone density, muscle mass, and life expectancy (last one was probably sanitation), when we left hunter gathering for cities. So basically you're a cherry picking faggot who wouldn't be able to keep up his luxury diet without modern conveniences, which is my whole argument. Right again. Yay me.

>>519300985
Does an eagle chose to fly?
It's an evolutionary preference, read some Darwin.

>>519305750
>You could still get 2 tendies off each bird if you let it grow for a year.

its not worth it to feed, house, and process all those male chicks. you also have to keep them separate. its cheaper just to kill them. no feelings involved, just simple math.

>>519295176 (OP)
lol that vid made me laugh so much until I cried, is this supposed to make me feel sorry?

>>519305976
>muh conservatives
>muh ketolards
>muh religion
>muh this
>muh that
You're all over your place.

Reminder that veganism is just a token third option to support the red vs. blue psyop dichotomy trying to make you pick between satanic toxic slop (factory farming) and satanic toxic slop (lab-grown meat). Its main function is to make the other two look sane in comparison and also to drag supporters of normal farming practices into endless and useless debates.

anyone who keeps chickens knows you cant keep that many roosters

>>519305981
>Why? Because the shareholders want the business to perform and compete like a speculative finance asset.

hey dont look at me, im just a wagey. i have never seen my CEO. but america is very much against eat the rich, so they do what they want and we suffer what we must

>>519305965
I'm not saying you have to eat meat. I'm saying it's a modern luxury and you should keep your personal decisions to your fucking self.

>>519305356
Four roid trannies.

>>519306053
Duh, that's why I said it was the product of factory farming. This is unavoidable because we have billions of eaters who live to do bullshit work for a system and purchase food from a store to survive. It's the money system.

The only way out is to live like the Amish.

>>519300547
It's propped up by hyuge subsidies

>>519306010
>Before that, we were hunter gathers for about 500,000 years (minimum) and our primary calories came from animal proteins.
Let's see some evidence of that.

protip: an influencer on youtube who sells supps isnt a credible source

>>519295176 (OP)
Which make me wonder. In Germany, and I bet it's all over the world mostly the same, we have "Hähnchen" (a nice word for "Hahn" which means a male chicken, rotisserie chicken ) you can it like Döner kebab you surely heard of, pizza, etc. So. The "Hähnchen" is the MALE one.

The female one is the "Hühnchen" - from "Huhn", which basically means chicken. It's for the oven, pan, etc etc. From my perspective we HAVE (or had?) a good use for the male chicken. I really don't know why the first one (in my post) were replaced (obviously) with females. Maybe, because these males get something to fuck as they can. Or "fucked" think about it as a tree of genetic where you have geneteric changed male chicken, able to fuck and breed and make many (hopefully) female chicken. Why hopefully? Because that's when the genetic line breaks in half. The new chicken, the offspring are not able to to that. Schizo stuff you think? Whats with the equivalent?monsanto. Al lot of farmers have to pay a lot of money, not only for, as example, the seeds of tomatoes, but also the license to use them.why? Cause these are tomatoes that grow like fuck. But THEIR SEEDS they inherit are "impotent". These seeds won't became tomatoes again. Its gene manipulation.
Ask yourself why make chicken, a good use for the food market (=money) get killed instead of that. Two options. They can't grow that big to be useful (bullshit) or their body inhabitates trademarked genes that nobody, even if cooked or grilled or whatever, should get. There's no dead or alive option. It's the leave-no-evidence (or more likel: chance to use that without permission and make a own breeding "circle") option.

>>519306171
eating meat for every meal is definitely a modern luxury

>you should keep your personal decisions to your fucking self.
everyone here participates in a thread BECAUSE they want to share their personal decisions. i guarantee if you live by yourself and talk to nobody ever no one would ever care that you eat meat

>>519295176 (OP)
>political implications
what are the metaphysical implications of humans creating an industrialized, unending hell on earth where creatures remain from birth to death without any hope of escaping or even knowing of a different life? what are the implications of every human benefiting from this, directly or indirectly, and thus supporting it?
there are things that matter more than politics.

>>519306126
>Its main function is to make the other two look sane in comparison
evidence for these claims or am I just supposed to believe your spitballing?

>>519306328
Low birthrates, unironically. Self correcting system, although very slowly.

>>519306336
>muh conservatives
>muh ketolards
>muh religion
>muh """""""""""""""""evidence""""""""""""""""""""
>muh this
>muh that
You're all over your place.

Reminder that veganism is just a token third option to support the red vs. blue psyop dichotomy trying to make you pick between satanic toxic slop (factory farming) and satanic toxic slop (lab-grown meat). Its main function is to make the other two look sane in comparison and also to drag supporters of normal farming practices into endless and useless debates.

>>519306386
I accept your concession.

>>519306328
As usual it's the Russian speaking the truth. I wouldn't overthink this. Most Mutts are barely sentient. They are too deranged from the myriad of poisons foisted on them from birth onward.

>>519306328
Are you talking about Russia or industrial farming?

>>519306255
Well, unless you want to make the argument that we aren't the first high society on this planet you're going to lose this one pretty handily. First domestication of plants is about 10,000 years ago by best estimates. We as a species have existed for about 600,000 years, again, best estimates. What do you think we did for 590,000 years without domesticated plants? Use that weak little vegan brain of yours.

>>519295176 (OP)
roosters are literally niggers. max i've had is 3 at one time and they would gang rape the hens all day it was pretty brutal

>>519295954
Lets not pretend the average Muslim in 2025 gives a single shit about animals

>>519306513
>muh conservatives
>muh ketolards
>muh religion
>muh """""""""""""""""evidence""""""""""""""""""""
>muh this
>muh that
You're all over your place.

Reminder that veganism is just a token third option to support the red vs. blue psyop dichotomy trying to make you pick between satanic toxic slop (factory farming) and satanic toxic slop (lab-grown meat). Its main function is to make the other two look sane in comparison and also to drag supporters of normal farming practices into endless and useless debates.

>>519306297
I am married with children, own a business, have a massive garden, hunt, and am looking at buying a second home. I do farm to table by my own hands as much as I possibly can. I guarantee you I have a better diet and overall health than anyone else in this thread. Get fucked nigger.

>>519295176 (OP)
what kind of self-respecting man doesn't have chickens in their backyard?
fresh eggs every day for free

>>519306328
>what are the metaphysical implications of humans creating an industrialized, unending hell on earth where creatures remain from birth to death without any hope of escaping or even knowing of a different life?
The implication is that eventually the creatures in question (for example, human cattle) will either die off or deform into a new breed, with minds so distorted that they will believe themselves to be the beneficiaries of this system instead of its victims.

>>519306684
anyone who has chickens know roosters are niggers and you need 0-1 to protect a flock

>>519306540
>First domestication of plants is about 10,000 years ago by best estimates. We as a species have existed for about 600,000 years, again, best estimates. What do you think we did for 590,000 years without domesticated plants?
I reject that Masonic framing of the world 1st off. The world is about 6000 years old, veritably flat, not a ball.

Secondly, all of the primates are frugivores. Especially our closest relatives, the chimps. Humans thrive on a high-carb, fruit-based diet, with nuts, seeds, and greens providing the base of protein needed for strong musculature. The idea that we "need" to eat other animals to meet our protein requirements is absurd. There are 50 grams of protein in 2500 calories of watermelon, for instance, which is more than adequate for building and maintaining muscle mass. Let alone what you can get from vegetables, nuts, and grains.

>>519306684
>in their backyard
*in his backyard

>>519296152
>there are no political implications

yes there are. it's conservatives who do not give consumers a choice in the matter when lab grown meat hasn't even been allowed to be sold yet. conservatives have banned it even before it came to markets

>>519306515
I'm talking about (you), yes you, worshipping literal demons, literally. humanity is betting real big on God not existing. and we're all going to see if this bold strategy pays out in the end. no one will escape.

>>519307000
checked gay swede

>>519306661
>I am married with children, own a business, have a massive garden, hunt, and am looking at buying a second home. I do farm to table by my own hands as much as I possibly can. I guarantee you I have a better diet and overall health than anyone else in this thread. Get fucked nigger.

why should i care about this at all?

anyways: factory farming is terrible work, but necessary to sustain the current meat consumption in the US. nobody cares that one person (You) who lives innawoods lives differently? youre statistical noise

>>519306945
never had problems in 20+ years. ever heard of fences?

>>519307000
gay swede doesn't have a family

>>519295542
That is civilization, it takes this to keep the lights on

>>519306684
Lots of people ITT have the right idea, but lack the cohesive vision.

Live completely separate from society. Raise like 8 chickens. Forget about "Farming." That's an activity that is designed to produce surplus for a civilization. Instead of farming, plant perennials and fruit tress in guilds. In winter live off the stored nuts and preserves you made during summer and fall harvests. For daily work, turn compost and care for your chickens. Hunt occasionally. It's an easy life.

I would also recommend doing without electricity. It's the final and largest shackle keeping you tied to the industrial wageslave system. If you're in a hot climate, look into cooling techniques like digging trenches and circulating air from them. If you're in a colder climate, tend a small bamboo grove for firewood. You'll need that anyway.

We're all gonna make it.

>>519306958
>The world is about 6000 years old, veritably flat, not a ball.

I've seen some well-reasoned articulate posts fucking ruined by flat earthism in my time but this takes the biscuit.

>>519307140
hawks don't give a shit about fences hans

>>519307241
>just be amish.

there is a reason why the amish are increasingly relaxing their rules in hopes of retaining more members.

most people dont want to live like that. its much nicer to have centralized heating and other modern conveniences

not to mention you better live close enough to your work place (and it better pay well)

>>519307270
I don't 'pick and choose' truths to fit my narrative or bolster my arguments. I present the full-truth every single time regardless of whether people like to hear it or not.

Whether other people choose to be morally inconsistent, disingenuous, and subjective with their arguments is not my concern. I have lived too long on this Earth to bother catering to people's fantasies in an attempt to curry favor.

>>519296358
Those chicks arent being killed for meat dumbfuck. Theyre literally being thrown into a grinder minutes after being born. If they were being killed for meat they'd be older and butchered properly

>>519306958
>There are 50 grams of protein in 2500 calories of watermelon
That's an 18 pound watermelon. So one big ass watermelon a day. That's actually crazy, I didn't know that.

>>519307523
>factory farmer wage slave has problems with the amish lifestyle.
No one cares.

>>519307375
>hawks don't give a shit about fences hans

Sturdy, impenetrable fences covered everywhere with poultry netting, they do.

>>519296777
Its the fact that theyre being killed literally minutes after birth for no purpose. They could be raised for meat birds but instead they're ground for no reason other than convenience

>>519307634
>>factory farmer wage slave has problems with the amish lifestyle.

i have no problem with them, in fact i work very often with them. (theyre not as closed off as people think)
its a very well known thing that they are struggling to keep members.

>no one cares
you would think the amish cares

>>519307730
>*spits on you*

>>519307761
*dodges*

>>519307803
I didn't say spits at you, illiterate BITCH.

>>519307375
i know ameri-mutts are retarded, but did you miss the 20+ years part without issue part?

>>519307241
this is the way. got lots of fruit and nut trees. last 4 weeks i harvested 11 buckets of hazelnuts and walnuts. before that we had plenty of pears, apples, cherries and so on. also some easy "plant and forget" produce like tomatoes, peppers, salad, etc.
we trade with neighbors for potatoes, meat, flour, etc., because 100% self-sustaining is stupid when you got like minded neighbors

>>519307695
>they're ground for no reason other than convenience
If we're being completely frank it's a way for your masters to justify treating you as cattle.

You create karmic debt for yourself by actively and knowingly participating in the torture of sentient beings out of pleasure and convenience. In doing so, you justify your own treatment by those who think themselves your betters.

>>519307546

Then you won't 'pick and choose' this fun & interesting video for a couple of reasons:

The guy in the video who was a Flat Earther had never in all his life seen the ocean before. (That you? This is true for more Americans than we might assume.)

They set up a telescope to watch a sailboat steadily disappearing over the horizon. This convinced the Flat Earther that he'd been quite wrong — a change of view that really doesn't often happen. (And kudos to him, it has to be said.)
Skip through the irritating promotion in the video... the rest is quite fun to see.

How I Changed a Flat Earther's Mind

https://youtu.be/0b396KudEvs

>>519307866
fine
>*spits on you back*

>>519307375
>>519307666
Geese are good at protection from hawks, they are very attentive to anything in the sky ( i see them watch planes that are so high I can barely see them). They make a ton of noise if they see a hawk, and alert the other birds to seek cover

That's literally what Israel does to the Palestinians!!! (I wish)

>>519307924
That's right, bend the knee. My word is LAW.

>>519307059
God is a scarecrow erected by the godless in the middle of the real hell they've created for you, to make you think they will be punished through your inaction while they keep defacing the only thing that is real and sacred.

>>519307879
Speak for yourself. I raise, free range, and butcher my own

>>519307890
I have recorded events myself that would be quite literally impossible in a globe model. Even a single instance of this occurring completely disproves the model, and I have done it dozens of times. The creators of this model, all Freemason, have yet documented themselves that the Earth is flat.

>I'll watch your video for entertainment purposes, though I note upon first click it's an influencer video. This thread won't last long enough for me to provide detailed notes.

>>519306620
literally just watch any halal beefs and chicken
They do not give a fuck about animals

>>519308134
You have never gone out to a restaurant and eaten meat? You have never bought meat at a grocery store?

>>519308189

It occurred to me recently while following the latest SpaceX Starship launch, now equipped with a bunch of hi-res Starlink cameras on the ship in its suborbital path, that it's now near-impossible for intellectually blinded Flat Earthers to continue to insist that all this is somehow faked.

Below are just three captures from the real-time video feed, and more are easily found. (Or alternatively, just watch the SpaceX video!)

You do realise the Flat Earth community is now nearing its inevitable extinction, right?

Here's video from the live feed of Starship Flight 11:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdJGy56TYuw

>>519296664
tangent: how the practitioner preserved the sac in the process of removal is actually impressive.
It almost looks like it could be grafted | replanted elsewhere like an artificial womb, or something as simple as an IV + something to retain moisture.

>>519308472
>It occurred to me recently while following the latest SpaceX Starship launch, now equipped with a bunch of hi-res Starlink cameras on the ship in its suborbital path, that it's now near-impossible for intellectually blinded Flat Earthers to continue to insist that all this is somehow faked.
This was from the launch stream of Elon's car in space.

I will once again refer to the fact that even a single instance of this occurring completely and utterly disproves that there was a car in space at all. Thus revealing Elon (an ethnic Jew) as a fraudulent participant in this conspiracy.

>>519308472
Meant to post this capture

>>519307926
they shit too much, my dogs are better at chasing off hawks

>>519308632
Well, if you tire of perpertuating this psy-op and need a few minutes of light relief, this is a whole bunch of fun. (Even more fun may be narrator DipperDog's infectious laughter. )

It all goes by pretty fast, and I found I had to pause the video in one or two places to take a good look at the jokes. )

https://youtu.be/-myyAOQwLzo

>>519307666
waste of money and chickens will either find their way out or get caught in it. tried that route, had one get caught upside down for a couple hours and it laid an oblong egg

>>519307869
I'm trying to put together a guide for /pol/frens that fit on a quarter acre of land. I'm almost done with one for a Texas climate. Next step is to make ones for more northern anons. I know a lot of us are in the northwest. Fortunately most anons in europe share my climate.

>>519295176 (OP)
how do they know they're male?

>>519295176 (OP)
You know, it is funny. The same people who will whine over this, also support abortion in a lot of cases. We can't do anything to sustain ourselves if it harms other species, even if it essentially amounts to a painless mercy killing. But it is supposedly a-okay to slaughter or own young in ways that often cause them immense suffering. The moral heatmap is real and the outgroup favoring side is demonic.

>>519308899
>Well, if you tire of perpertuating this psy-op
I will repeat a third time

> Even a single instance of this occurring completely disproves the model

Ergo
>one fake picture of space from NASA completely disproves the idea of space
>one fake video of Elon's car in space completely disproves SpaceX, and reveals the entire company to be a giant fraud
>one fake video of the moon landing disproves the concept of humans having ever gone to the moon
>one single video at a sufficient height showing no curvature of the Earth, completely disproves the globe model

Reality is not 90% correct, 95% correct, or even 99% correct. For the globe model to be true, it must be 100% consistent every single time without fail.

But to this day, there exists not a single picture of Earth from space. Nor any evidence of humans leaving the atmosphere. Nor any evidence of the Earth having any curvature.

The only "evidence" that exists, is sloppily concocted theatrics made exclusively by Freemasons and Jews, who worship Satan and desperately want you to not recognize and acknowledge that we are within God's dominion, under His firmament, on a thoroughly flat planet.

>>519309029
they're old enough to be sexed
>>519309203
everyone who has ever owned chickens knows roosters are only good for being ground up into dog food

>>519308472
>>519308638
Why not post this capture of a flat edge being distorted by the fisheye lens used to make the earth look like a globe.

>>519305575
that's just a concentration camp. I'm not native to America I'm a European.
I'm sure I could get all the nutrients I need using the sun, native farmed plants and oysters

>>519295379

Agreed. Corporations and hedge funds should be banned from owning farms and single-family dwellings as well. People cry about animals bred for meat without realizing that laying hens have the worst life of any factory-farmed animal. It's exactly this type of diabolical behavior that caused my wife and I to start buying eggs from someone local who has hens. That prompted us to get our own earlier this year, and now we have four happy hens that free range in our backyard and give us all the eggs we want and more plus entertainment. We also buy our meat from a local pasture raised farm and raw milk from another local place that treats their animals well. Factory farms are Satanic!

>>519309327
If one photo were fake, that wouldn’t invalidate:

Satellite communications,
GPS triangulation,
Long‑distance air travel routes,
Observed ship hulls disappearing bottom‑first over the horizon,
Earth’s shadow on the Moon during lunar eclipses,
Time zones and seasons.

If every line of evidence—navigation, astronomy, physics—fits the globe, what would have to be true for the flat‑Earth model to explain them all simultaneously

When the argument shifts to “Freemasons,” “Jews,” or “Satan,” that’s no longer science; I won;t dignify those parts with debate

>>519309729
>If one photo were fake, that wouldn’t invalidate:
This stream is from NASA. Even a single instance of this 'glitch' occurring completely disproves the idea that a satellite is dangling in space, filming the Earth as it spins. Reality doesn't have glitches.

>Satellite communications,
>GPS triangulation,
>Long‑distance air travel routes,
>Observed ship hulls disappearing bottom‑first over the horizon,
>Earth’s shadow on the Moon during lunar eclipses,
>Time zones and seasons.
That's a long list for you to foist on me to debunk on page 10 of a thread at the bump limit. How am I supposed to share all my Gov't documents speaking of a "flat, non-rotating Earth" when it comes to air navigation now?

Unfair!

>>519309438
It is abundantly clear to anyone who knows anything about roosters or the males of most species for that matter. How do they expect these roosters to live exactly? They can't all live in a giant pen like hens do, they'd all fight each other and it would be a hellscape. It pretty much spares them of this existence by instantly killing them. I guess this all is the main problem though, these types rely on initial feelings more than facts. They look at something and on a surface level think "how horrible". Then they go straight to destroying everything and messing up their life without actually thinking about the situation more. It is literally just a looks thing. The chick doesn't think much at all and then it is gone. But these people won't think that deeply. It is like how they think about animals being kept in enclosures as horrible because humans would hate to be trapped. But the animals couldn't care less, they don't think dramatic thoughts about how pointless their life is. If they ever manage to question anything, it drifts out of their mind the moment they get distracted by a natural urge. They live lives that are happy and full by their standards. A lot of the stuff done actually protects them too, their life would be significantly worse without factory farming.

>>519295542
beings created for one sole purpose in a controlled environment do not have free will. they never were supposed to exist naturally. they are excess, a byproduct. Do you really want 10 trillion chickens out in the wild? This is humane culling to prevent ecosystem collapse and resource waste

The best thing they could do is find a way to convert chick grinder sludge into zoo animal feed.