Thread 519548343

The muscovite trembles in fear, as the 300-year-old alliance grows stronger.

>>519548343 (OP)
That's all nice but can they even make that many in 5 years or so?

>>519548343 (OP)
VGH.........Cлaвa Укpaїнi!

That’s good and all but what would you pay with? All you have now is debt that you’re never ever going to be able to pay off. Sounds like we’re being scammed

>>519548346
Don't worry, they are paying for it with your money

What are jets even useful for in a modern conventional war? Wont SAM batteries just blow them out of the sky as soon as they take off? Isnt that why russia has kept most of it's jets grounded for the war?

>>519548345
>>519548346
Love you too

>>519548348
>What are jets even useful for in a modern conventional war?
Air-to-air combat, ground attack, etc. The stuff they've been used for since the 80's + now greater focus on network-centric combat and interoperability with other assets in different domains (combined arms)
>Wont SAM batteries just blow them out of the sky as soon as they take off?
No, of course not.
>Isnt that why russia has kept most of it's jets grounded for the war?
Nah, they fly a lot of sorties, actually.

nice
I hope Germany and Sweden (and Spain) build a new stealth jet together too
(no hate for France, but FCAS probably won't work out, let's be real)

>>519548343 (OP)
>300-year-old alliance
More like 300 year old airplane technology.

>>519548346
russia had money in europe that was seized and the eu is currently debating if they should just take all of it or just the interest that has accumulated or not take it at all. some of that money would go to this deal. so russia will pay for it. i read it in the news.

>>519548352
Well, the Americans are too unreliable / unwilling to buy jets from them at this time, so we go after the next best thing. The ability to operate from unprepared strips and focus on ease of maintenance is big factor too

>>519548345
>>519548346
Thank you Sweden :3

>>519548343 (OP)
Ziggerbros.... It's over

>>519548352
still good to defeat soviet planes from the 70s

>>519548352
>>519548358
the base models of the Gripen and most Russian planes are decades old, but there are new versions, like the Gripen E or Su-35S
depending on what kind of support they have (AEW&C aircraft for example) and what kind of missiles they carry (long range beyond visual range) they can both destroy each other
idk how the newest Gripens would measure up to the Su-57, I've read conflicting things about its stealth features

>>519548359
MBDA Meteor bros... It's time

>>519548343 (OP)
i'm gripping

>>519548360
these missiles are extremely expensive, but yes, they would definitely be valuable for Ukraine
I guess European countries will foot the bill

>>519548348
They can also be used in your own airspace for air defence

>>519548354
Biden also didn’t sell you even older jets like the F-15/16/18 tho and half the Gripen is Americans by parts.

>>519548346
Don't worry, Ukrainian women and children working in european brothels for Syrian rapugees will pay for that debt.

>>519548359
Gripen is built to counter the Russian fighters and it has a modular design so you can easily upgrade it.

The Gripoooner
>lands on motorways
>strafes ziggers

>>519548364
>Biden also didn’t sell you even older jets like the F-15/16/18 tho
implying Ukraine even wanted to buy them from the US.
Ukraine received donated F-16s from Denmark and Netherlands and the US could've veto'd that, but didn't.
Ukraine also was offered F-18s by Australia but rejected that
you make it seem like the US under Biden somehow blocked there, that didn't happen.

>>519548366
>Gripen is built to counter the Russian fighters
not more so than any other fighter
it's still vulnerable to what the Russians have, although the newest Gripen E would definitely be an upgrade over what the Ukrainian air force currently has

Flying useless trash while US has UFO tech.

>>519548352
>flag
as opposed to the...uh...hmm

>>519548368
>not more so than any other fighter
It's different from the US stealth fighters. They are not as modular, although the trade-off is that Gripen doesn't have as good stealth capabilities.

Why would Sweden do this.
>Let's piss off Russia doing a symbolic gesture that makes no difference right before Ukraine is about to collapse

>>519548372
two more weeks

>>519548371
how is the Gripen "modular" moreso than other fighters?
the F-35 for example can also be adapted to the user's needs, see the F-35I. the US just won't let anyone except Israel do that.

>trade-off not as good stealth
that's not a tradeoff that was made consciously, the Gripen is simply an older and less advanced design than the American stealth fighters.

>>519548372
refinery status?

new russian missile fodder just dropped

>>519548376
when was the last time russia shot down anything that wasn't civilian

>>519548348
bombing shit
they only get shot down if its french garbage

>>519548343 (OP)
150 fighters? that number can't possibly be legit

>>519548374
No. It's easy to change around parts and extend it. You can't really do that with the stealth fighters because it will defeat their stealth capabilities. It's a trade-off.

>>519548372
>>Let's piss off Russia
Who gives a fuck? Russia is already hostile and screech "muh noooks" every 5 minutes since forever already.

>>519548380
>No. It's easy to change around parts and extend it.
like what? different weapons or external fuel tanks? or different radars or avionics? you can do all that with the F-35 too, the British ones will integrate the MBDA Meteor for example, Israeli ones have their own avionics, you can mount external fuel tanks too (those reduce stealth ofc).
the Gripen is just older and less advanced. it's still a good fighter, just not as good as the F-35.

>>519548343 (OP)
And how they can possibly fulfill said order rapidly?

>>519548362
Thank you for your taxpayer euros

>>519548382
I'm not allowed to give you details but that is the case. You would know that if you worked in the industry.

>>519548368
Nigga put on your glasses if you want to chime in. The Ukrainian and I are talking about buying jets, which OP's article is also talking about.

>>519548383
It wouldn't take longer than a decade if it's steady.

>>519548379
it's a letter of intent for up to 150 fighters. so basically a nothingburger. you can take it serious when binding orders have been placed and the manufacturer starts producing.

>>519548384
it's money well spent. although not sure it wouldn't be better spent elsewhere. Like Germany recently funded the production of a batch these long-range Ukie strike drones AN-196 Liutyi, that was probably more cost effective.

>>519548385
no it isn't, you're just biased because you like the Gripen

>>519548346
Watch SAAB rush to pump out planes without payment and go bankrupt like their car division did keeeek.

Пoжaлyйcтa нe yбивaйтe!! Hy вы жe дoбpыe люди! Я жить хoчy! Maмa мaмoчкa!!!(((((

>>519548388
No, it's well known. The F-35 has limited modularity because of its stealth capabilities, it's very expensive to build and maintain, you need special facilities to maintain it, and it's reliability is bad.

>>519548343 (OP)
>150
That's ridiculous (in a good way). But how quickly can Sweden even produce that many? Are we talking about a decade long delivery?

I thought Ukrainian history sees the Battle of Poltava as a Ukrainian victory.

>>519548343 (OP)
Mazepa status

>>519548383
Gripen is manufactured in both Sweden and Brazil these days. Upped production has been in the work for our own fleet for a couple of years already. It's not a supply line that need much upgrades anymore. Countries like Hungary and Thailand are already seeing their own shipments being made as we speak

>>519548394
On 10 UAH

>>519548392
according to the news here the first plane could be deliveried in three years

>>519548397
>three years
so Sneeden will deliver an aircraft to a country htat no longer exists?

>>519548397
>by the time they finish the delivery gripen will be outdated by 2 generations
grim
better than nothing I suppose

>>519548392
Two more weeks. Seriously though this isn't even final to actually happen. Inability to pay up on interest for a program like this would crash SAAB. And Ukraine isn't exactly the surest bet. At the end of the day this is a public company we're talking about

>>519548391
>The F-35 has limited modularity because of its stealth capabilities,
you couldn't elaborate how the Gripen is more modular than the F-35 (because it isn't)
>it's very expensive to build
not moreso than older fighters like the Gripen, Rafale or Eurofighter, mostly because of economy of scale.
>and maintain, you need special facilities to maintain it
stealth is worth that, because it greatly increases its combat value

it's a more advanced fighter than the Gripen (or the Eurofighter or Rafale for that matter). it doesn't hurt your dignity to admit that.

>>519548343 (OP)
> Letter of intent
Its even more of a meme than MoU

>>519548346
>what would you pay with?
dead hivans
it might be a currency with low value, but there's a lot of it

>>519548352
DENIS DENIS TINY PENIS

>>519548343 (OP)
Who's gonna pay for that?

>>519548362
Unproven and have less of range compared to battle proved PL-15. I regret my country not buying 24 chink J-10C for money we paid for rafale

>>519548343 (OP)
We'll help you with more in a few years. It's just another case of America coming in late like always.

>>519548404
woah. i know that saying

>>519548343 (OP)
Gripen is 80s technologies, analogue of mig-29

You may only win over Moldova with this shit

>>519548365
Have you ever considered that people hate your kind not because of unfounded "Russophobia", but because you're disgusting subhumans?

>>519548409
How many kg is that bomb?

>>519548411
grippen deez nuts

>>519548378
Then why hasn't Russia used its jets? Even just a tiny bit of modern air defense makes them useless.

>>519548413
Looks like fab-500, 500kg with 300kg of explosive

We just upgraded them and now they can hit on 200km from launching point

Cheap, effective and very destructive

>>519548415
Most of our missiles and glide bombs are launched from jets retard

They're working hard

>>519548348
> Wont SAM batteries just blow them out of the sky as soon as they take off?
Nobody has missiles that accurate with that range plus perfect information of the enemy's movement, which is what you would need to make that work.
> Isnt that why russia has kept most of it's jets grounded for the war?
????
Russian jets are absolutely flying. What they aren't doing is flying over contested Ukrainian territory, instead the Russians stick to their own air space and launch missiles at the Ukrainians.
The Russians don't have air dominance like America did in Iraq or Afghanistan but that doesn't mean that aircraft are suddenly useless.

>>519548416
how many football fields is the CEP?

>>519548411
80s technology still has a 20 year advantage over the crap that the Russian army has been taking out of deep storage.

>>519548393
No but there is a statue in Poltava or something

what is it like to have sex with ukrainian men? what would have a ukrainian man creampied my pussy?

>>519548421
Which statue?

Are we winning?

>>519548423
To Peter I, but turns out it's already demolished.

>>519548343 (OP)
100-150 fighters mean air superiority within a 50-75 km frontline. I see a counteroffensive brewing.

>>519548360
Already wildly outclassed by aim-240 and aim-174 and its not even close

>>519548371
>doesn't have as good stealth
Correct because it has zero
>is cheaper
it isn't when you factor in the greatly reduced combat effectiveness+replacement cost when it gets splashed by a standoff AA missile but HEY niggers have coped their way into buying KIAs and Hyundais for decades

>>519548343 (OP)
>150 Gripen
>delivered in 2035
game changer

>>519548368

Reminder that She was the first one who kicked down the door of "BUT WESTERN JETS ARE A REDLINE FOR PUTIN!" by publicly calling for Finland to consider if it would be possible to donate the Finnish F-18s to Ukraine after they are replaced by F-35s.

>>519548391
Every smoothbrain eurotrash or brown npc on here talking shit about the f-35 bring up every thing that only matters if you subtract the metric of .. will it defeat the enemy? Sure they are more maint intensive and finicky and need new infrastructure to support but shit hits the fan and enemy dies and the f-35 flies home. How much does cost and reliability when your shit is on fire spiraling towards earth after eating a missile fired from 150 miles away?

>>519548348
Ukraine uses them to shoot down Geran drones.

>>519548413
>>519548416
That's a FAB-3000.

>>519548346
EU (me) should pay.

>>519548374

>the Gripen is simply an older and less advanced design than the American stealth fighters.

One generation behind the JSF, but much cheaper

Would rather have 1000 gripens than 100 JSF.

Much easier to mass produce also.

The obvious choice when actually in a war.

You don't need the best, se tiger va Sherman tanks for example.

>>519548343 (OP)
Nice, more goyim blood for the rituals.

Another saviour of Ukraine an only after tow more years? Two saviours ago we were going to go bankrupt because of the burning refineries. What happened to that?

>>519553242
oh no, i thought you were going to say that i had to make a thread for myself. that'd be pretty funny.

>>519548343 (OP)
kek the tsar ended the swecuck empire in that war
think again

>>519548349
lmao /int/ is so leddit

>>519548343 (OP)
> letter of intent
No need to hasten anything, right?

>>519548343 (OP)
>letter of intent
meme