Thread 519664724

>cut off your slave colonies by collapsing the USSR because they were """leeching""" from you
>elites realize russia is poorer now
>start wars with all your neighbours to get the territories back
Was it just retardation or a part of a deeper plan?

obsessed

>>519664724 (OP)
The plan was to get rid of the Baltics, Central Asia (minus northern Kazakhstan) and the Caucasus, keeping the three slavic nations as part of a greater Russia.

>>519664724 (OP)
>>start wars with all your neighbours
Source?

Russians arent known for their good decisions bro

India is massive and poor, Taiwan is small and rich. Size doesn't matter.

>>519664729
China and the US are massive and rich, it's about IQ which russia doesnt have just like india

>>519664725
>>519664727
seething ziggers. what part of the 3rd world do you come from

Russchads are winning and will win
Screencap this post

They're retarded

>>519664724 (OP)
Retardation. Gorbi had a plan to basically liberalize the USSR, try to do the market reforms needed to end their stagnation, cut back on the useless military over expenditure, etc. The trouble with this is that it started to panic the nomenklatura, and so they tried to coup him. At the time the union was pretty unstable and so all the Eastern European states that, let’s face it, really didn’t want to be in the union to begin with ran for the exits. That’s when Russia dissolved the union because they didn’t want to be in a majority Muslim/Asian country. This lead to even more instability and the 1990s lulzfest with anarchocapitalism. The same people (the siloviki) especially those in the KGB/FSB, and MoD then ended up taking control again after the failed first war in Chechnya and some apartment bombings (that they may have had a hand in) and spent the next ten years blaming Gorbi for the thing they caused while desperately thrashing around to try and make up for the utter humiliation that was the collapse of the USSR. It’s not really a deep plan. Just a bunch of lead poisoned homo sovieticus boomers with fetal alcohol syndrome wrecking things because they don’t know how to deal with their colossal inferiority complex.
>>519664726
I think this was part of the cope for some of them. They just had no clue that large tracts of that ‘greater Russia’ were sick of Muscovites. Which they really should have known.

>>519664724 (OP)
Russia is much richer than RFSR was relatively
In USSR baltics were about 10 times richer but now Russia is

>>519664724 (OP)
>because they were """leeching""" from you
They were, now they leech from EU and Central Asia still leeching from Russia
>russia is poorer now
Average russian is much more wealthier now
>>start wars with all your neighbours
Name 5

>>519664734
>Muscovites
Hello tranny

>>519664734
>Gorbi had a plan to basically liberalize the USSR, try to do the market reforms needed to end their stagnation, cut back on the useless military over expenditure, etc.
The plan was to destroy the USSR and ban the CPSU. Everything between him and Yeltsin was largely just theatre. The "Coup" against Gorbachev was not real and was carried out behind the scenes by Gorby's reformed KGB along with "reformers" and blamed on the Communists.
>My ambition was to liquidate Socialism, the dictatorship over all the people. Supporting me and urging me on in this mission was my wife, who was of this opinion long before I was. I knew that I could only do this if I was the leading functionary. In this my wife urged me to climb to the top post. While I actually became acquainted with the West, my mind was made up forever. I decided that I must destroy the whole apparatus of the CPSU and the USSR. Also, I must do this in all of the other socialist countries. My ideal is the path of social democracy. Only this system shall benefit all the people. This quest I decided I must fulfil.
>I found friends that had the same thoughts as I in Yakovlev and Shevernadze, they all deserve to be thanked for the break-up of the USSR and the defeat of Socialism.
>A World without socialism is going to be much better. After year 2000 the world will be much better, because it shall develop and prosper. But there are countries which shall try to struggle against this. China for one. I was in Peking during the time of the protests on Tienanmen Square, where I really thought that Socialism in China is going to crash. I sternly demanded of the Chinese leadership that I want to speak to the protesters, but they did not allow me to do so. If the Communist party would fall in China, all the world would be better off, and on the road to peace. - Gorbachev.

>>519664724 (OP)
>cut off your slave colonies by collapsing the USSR because they were """leeching""" from you
The idea that Soviet republics were "colonies" is pretty ridiculous, especially when you see the vast difference between Western colonialism and how the Soviet republics were treated (pretty much always given preferential treatment to the RFSR and are still running on largely Soviet infrastracture and housing today).
Is California or Texas a "colony" of DC?

the CIA made them crash their country or something idk

>>519664734
This. Russians are descended from serfs and too stupid to run a country.

>>519664739
>russians push russification and all resources go to Moscow
>Not colonialism
LMAO

>>519664724 (OP)
The USSR was net food importer, Russia is net food exporter. I think there's quite a reasonable point to be made that they did cut off a lot of dead weight

>>519664735
The Baltics are all still richer than Russia in GDP per capita.

>>519664744
that doesnt count since we're going to bomb them soon

>>519664742
>The USSR
>Russification
Read a book you fucking retard. Preferrably Affirmative Action Empire by Terry Martin.
If the USSR actually pushed Russification Ukraine would not exist right now. The only place you'd could find Ukrainians in would be Alberta.

>>519664746
Estonians would be a Myth. People would debate if they weren't made upby the swedish.

>>519664746
Ukraine was the brains of the ussr, there's no way an inferior culture like the one from moscow can overpower the origin of slavs

Nah, the nomenklatura got tired of being restrained by paying even lip service to communism and just wanted their own fiefs to become oligarchs in, that is mostly why the ussr collapsed

>>519664748
Then why weren't Russians getting ukrainised but the other way round?

>>519664750
oh so russification existed in ukraine? keep your narratives straight tranny

>>519664729
OP didn't claim that, your reading comprehension skills suck balls

how did the USSR shart the bed despite having the second best land in the world?

>>519664752
I isn't possible to comprehend something that never made sense in the first place.

>>519664754
nice cope for being a retard

>>519664753
Because communism is retarded. If the Russian Empire never fell it would probably be a 500 million people strong 15 trillion economy today.

>>519664756
Doubtful. Too many Russians in power.

>>519664724 (OP)
Russia is much richer now than it was under the USSR. The imperializing is being done by Sovok boomer security elites who want to relive their 20s in in the low ranks of the KGB, it's not economically motivated.

>>519664756
for every death, in ww2, you can assume 10 less population by today.

It's why eastern europe, everything east of germany, is so barren.

>>519664736
>Name 5
First Chechen War
Second Chechen War
Georgian War
Ukrainian War

Short of one, you win

>>519664734
That's the official neoliberal propaganda version
The real story is that corrupt officials inside the USSR wanted to collapse the country to pillage state property
They literally knew beforehand liberalization would be a disaster and crash the economy, it wasn't a "mistake". Gaidar should have been hung by his entrails outside the Duma

>>519664736
>Central Asia still leeching from Russia
Cope, they're basically Chinese protectorates now, Russian influence in the region is only still strong in Kazakhstan (language) and Tajikistan (military) but even there it's declining, China is taking them over.

>>519664761
>picrel
There was no other alternative. Which is why market reforms were called "shock therapy": Russia had to bite the bullet or starve like in 1920s

>>519664762
Dramatic anti-russian bs lol

>>519664747
The idea that Lithuanians do not come from Chukotka would be Fomenko tier.
>>519664762
Might as well say they are all NAT members because of David Cameron lmao.

>>519664763
Yes, there was an alternative, not selling off all the state enterprises and liquidating employment as quickly as possible to the friends of functionaries would have been a start.
And Russia wouldn't have starved, it could have still paid for imported food with gas and mineral money
Even from a liberal perspective the collapse of the Soviet Union was a disaster and the result of a mafia state

>>519664766
>not selling off all the state enterprises
Which were a dead weight for the state budget
>it could have still paid for imported food with gas and mineral money
It could not. It couldn't do that even as the Soviet Union although they tried

>>519664767
Even though they were unprofitable competing on the world market they were still an important source of employment and goods for the domestic market.
The Soviet Union did import food, a lot of it, using gas, oil, and mineral money

>>519664768
>employment
What's the point when your workers are paid with factories' product or not at all? Shit was embarrassing
>goods for the domestic market
Which were easily outcompeted by foreign import both in price and in quality
>The Soviet Union did import food
And still suffered from the food deficit. And when the oil prices crashed so did the entire economy

>>519664768
And in an autarkic country like the Soviet Union, which produces many essential goods itself with a supply chain entirely in its own country, and which owns the enterprises that make those goods, the state budget is irrelevant. Not to mention all of the savings of the Russians were also owned by the state through Gosbank
Basically, there is absolutely no reason why the Soviet Union's dissolution had to have the human cost that it did

>>519664770
But we're not talking about the Soviet Union and its dissolution. We're talking about market reforms in democratic Russia. Can you follow the conversation?

>>519664766
They wouldn't have starved anyway; the USSR produced more than enough food in the 1980s they just had to charge end consumers enough for their bread that they'd care about it enough to not feed it to animals

>>519664724 (OP)
Hot off the presses. Documentation of shitloads of dead moscovite scums.
https://files.catbox.moe/xpu4lb.mp4
A field strewn their worthless remains.

They are squandering their hydrocarbons resources to fund their own demographic suicide. OPEC just announced that they are upping their production, as well, which works against their war funding capabilities. And, as can be seen in picrel, china has announced that they will in fact vegin complying with sanctions. The oil with be increasingly have to be sold on the black market, at discount rate. Eat shit, russo scum.