Thread 519751063

Why couldn't Russia do this in Ukraine?

>>519751063 (OP)
Ukraine is a large military base disguised as a country. (soviets designed Ukraine as a spearhead against NATO in case of WW3, that's why most of Ukraine's infrastructure is adapted to hot war and nuclear warfare)

Iraq is a fucking dessert

they prefer to use a strategy that wins.
spending 15 years and trillions of dollars just to lose is not how they rule.

>>519751063 (OP)
Cause they dont know how to do joint arms aka they suck at war.

>>519751063 (OP)
Ukraine is a completely flat country next to Russia. Its literally 0km from their borders. Its like USA losing a war to Mexico.

>>519751217
It's a good thing that Russia is only on its fourth year since the war started in Ukraine. They've got 11 more years to go.

>>519751063 (OP)
Aircraft is expensive and they don't have air superiority. They could easily lose them to patriots. And then they'd lose a few tens of millions in $ equivalent at the cost of 1 million per patriot missile.
They're already hitting targets with their own missiles and drones.

any boomers in here? was desert storm the coolest thing ever at the time? or were these details not published until way after
>t. zoomer

>>519751391
Also forgot to add..
Since Ukraine got atacams and himars, they've been able to hit all airfields within a few hundred kilometres, so to fly aircraft over ukraine they'd have to bring them from much further distance, wasting a lot of fuel for what? Hitting a few targets they can already hit from afar?

>>519751063 (OP)
This took over a million personnel and months upon months of troop and logistics buildup. Also ziggers are stupid lol

>>519751341
Ukraine war started in 2014 with invasion of Donbass and Crimea.

>>519751063 (OP)
do what, get stuck for 9 years fighting sandniggers?

>>519751460
I was born the same day as Gulf War started so cant really say.

>>519751063 (OP)
aircraft and big missiles are expensive and takes longer to renew, humans are cheap. only 0.05% of the troops died in all of 3 years, they can keep going forever. risk waste key military resource early and you are out of all options later

>>519751692
They didnt try to invade but they occupied the country and sat in their bases.

>>519751063 (OP)
Because Ukraine actualy has air defense and Russian doesnt have SEAD capability to deal with it. I mean after all its their own tech.

>>519751692
Gulf War lasted a year you dumb cunt

>>519751692
It's specifically about Operation Desert Storm clearly

I think Ukraine has downed many planes in the beginning of the war, so now they are afraid to lose the last ones.

>>519751063 (OP)
ukraine had west provided anti-tank and manpads in significant enough quantity to prevent the shock and awe strat.
a significant part of the russian tactic was to capture hostomel for the air bridge, which didn't happen.
as a backup russia did a 40 mile convoy that got bogged down and picked off by bayraktar before radars had a decent way to detect them

>>519751809
The webm depicts the Iraq war

>>519751063 (OP)
Because Russia is not a superpower, its a gas station with an army

>>519751792
so what were their goals? did they achieve them?

>>519751063 (OP)
Anyone saying Iraq was any different for magic reasons is pure cope. The reason is because Russians are fucking retards

>>519751063 (OP)
That's not part of the plan.
Because that would be too easy.
How can you rob Nations & Blood if you cure the disease?
When instead you can just treat the contrived symptoms.
And fuck everyone at the same time.

Who's to say Putin and Ratsky aren't bed buddies behind everyone's back?
And while people die they both get paid.
Blood=Money
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylwMWpbv5Fk

It's never been a real war.
It's literally fake & gay.

>>519752422
before everything went to shit russia thought they could take ukraine with pretty much no resistance, like they took crimea previously.
some soldiers didn't even know they were in ukraine.
some soldiers booked reservations for restaurants in kyiv
they thought they were going to be welcomed in by ukranian civilians. there were even non-lethal munitions brought in because they assumed protestors would be the worst of it.

>>519752679
So what are your goals in Ukraine? Stop nato from expanding? Remember when your mod broke down and said it was to stop Satanists kek

>>519752872
Demilitarization, neutrality, protection of russian-speaking population, trial of all wartime criminals, reparations from the west.
Any land acquired in a process is just a bonus

>>519752928
none of that shit is happening kek

>>519752928
>demilotarizarion
Were oil refineries exploding weekly in Russia before or after your chimpout invasion
>protect russian speakers
You can tell by how the war is entirely in eastern Ukraine with most ukranian Russian speakers dead kek
>trial of all war criminals
Well girkin is in jail so ill give you that
>reparations from the west
You're an actual nigger

>>519751460
The public didn't know to doubt that there'd be a seal clubbing because media was far less free with that kind of thing.
Everyone in the public expected a seal clubbing and then we're unsurprised to learn it was a seal clubbing. Public opinion turned pretty sharply against the war when footage of the Highway of Death came to life and it became clear that a wholly defeated foe was being culled with a brutal efficiency the Nazi's could only dream of, plus a few high profile friendly fire incidents.

>>519753151
did you only know about the outcome of the opening, rather than the surgical precision of it? i know of one televised example during it that showed a bombing, so i am wondering if people knew or if it was still secret until after

>>519751063 (OP)
Because this is smart and doesn't involve meatwaves.
Russian tactics have remained virtually the same for centuries, why change now?

>>519753085
>>reparations from the west
>You're an actual nigger

>>519752855
I remember then saying they were going in but not guns drawn.
Then the Ukie artillary smashed 1000s? 10 of thousands of them?
That shit was like ducks lined up to slaughter.
Shit was crazy.

How could you trust any military operation these days?
At least the ones from Russia.
Did they say they would fire on Russia when they crossed the border?
I can't remember all I know is it looked like a human sacrifice for sure.

>>519751063 (OP)
Ah yes, americans jacking off to the time they bombed a country with the tech of the 50s for the 4000th. Then comparing that to a prepared and well organised modern military with air defence that can actually hit things.

>>519753019
Wars are complicated, that's why retarded americans could never win them.
They're too used to mcdonalds type approach in their retarded lives.

>>519751193
>Iraq is a fucking dessert
Ukraine is open fields and steppe with a thick river system in the middle. Looks very similar

>>519755213
ukraine is also not the other side of the planet from russia. sort of weird to even consider the situations equivalent.
unironically, things might have gone better for russia if it were further away, since they would have had to have a better contingency plan than a 40 mile convoy.

>>519751063 (OP)
IQ about 20 points too low to pull this off.

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>>519751217
They did win, retard.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC_ddF8IQGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIpcTX4CMAY

>>519751063 (OP)
oh they did try it but they just got shot down

>>519751217
Also, Russia is eating shit after four years and suiciding demographically not by choice, but because their initial maneuver warfare operations failed, and they had to SETTLE for the attritional mega death style. See picrel. The idea is NOT to irreparably destroy the demographics of your people, while still winning.

The fist gulf war was won in 4 days. A million man army destroyed, utterly, in 4 days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn_SY87MUTg

By the way, did you know that Russia got their asses handed to them in Afghanistan? And they will NEVER take Kiev. They will never regime change them. The taliban was regime changed on November 13 2001, three weeks after the invasion. Kabul was taken. Russia will never achieve a victory like we did in the first gulf war. They are too stupid to conduct successful maneuver warfare. They will never regime change anyone.

>>519751063 (OP)
>Why couldn't Russia do this in Ukraine?
Because Russia is fighting an entire coalition by itself; The Gulf War was an entire coalition fighting against an impoverished third world country. That's the difference.

>>519751063 (OP)
Because russian skulls are mongoloid shaped

>>519751063 (OP)
They could do (much) more; they could glass the entire thing in one go.
Now, did they want to (do that)?
No; and that's why...

>>519753454
That was probably the bunker with the women and kids, in Baghdad; yes, that was news around the world. Same as the tank firing at the hotel with the journalists.

>>519758218
short of a nuclear strike they couldn't do that.
ukraine was provided with western intel, nlaws, javelins, stingers preventing air supremacy.
and the ghost of kyiv to top it off.

>>519758622
>Nucular
Precisely my point
>The ghost of keef
All they ever needed lol
Truth is they went there with specific orders to avoid any civilian casualties at any cost; that only begun to end when ukrainian war crimes on POWs started to come up.