Thread 520217818

what Church should I go to that is neither full of Idolatry or Schizos?

>>520217818 (OP)
SSPX

>>520217818 (OP)
Orthodox church is the only church.

Any church you feel welcomed in.

>>520217924
>SSPX teachings explicitly defend the use and veneration of sacred images as aids to prayer and devotion, not as objects of idolatry. In a 2021 publication from their Angelus Press, they cite St. Thomas Aquinas and the Second Council of Nicaea to explain that "the honor rendered to an image passes to its prototype," meaning gestures like bowing, kissing, or lighting candles before statues of Christ, Mary, or saints direct reverence to the holy figure depicted, fostering contemplation of divine truths.
sounds like idolatry to me
>>520218010
idolaters
>>520218035
I would rather go to a church that God welcomes

>>520218316
Then just be a southern baptist queer, I don't know what else to tell you.

>>520218010
Not even the Orthodox Church believes that.

You can’t start going to a Catholic Church because we don’t allow gays, so you’ll have to pick one of the other ones

>>520217818 (OP)
one of these would probably be a good fit
https://www.militarygetsaved.net/foreign-churches-11/england

Become Gnostic. No church, only personal spiritual enlightenment through Christ.

>>520217818 (OP)
Pentecostal, i attend one. Very strict teachings but it makes sense. Only been to catholic and baptist out of the ones you listed and this is where i've been at for the past 10 years.

>>520218572
dumb larper
"gnostic" is as descriptive as "pagan"
there's a gorillion mutually exclusive different gnosticisms

>>520217818 (OP)
You should read the Corpus Hermeticum and be done with it. If you don’t want to abandon the Christian tradition read the Gospel of Thomas as well. You’re not going to learn shit at church and you will be surrounded by fools.

>>520217818 (OP)
The Satanic Temple

You really think worshiping some dead Jew carpenter on a stick from 2,000 years ago is going to do anything for you?

>>520218682
pentecostal is really hit or miss.
they range from churches where the congregants grab flags and run around and trick themselves into have seizures, to just being indiscernible from a baptist but reject cessationism and raise their hands while music's going.

>>520218316
You are objectively wrong, in scripture it is objectively stated that things which contain divine Energia like Arc of Covenant and Eucharist are venerated because they represent Gods energies iconographically. You can try to follow Christy that literally didn't exist in first centuries to your own detriment.
>>520218418
Yes it does, that's why we aren't in communion with other churches.
You might get miraculously and mystically saved, but only Orthodox church preserves doctrine and faith accurately to the church fathers.

>>520218682
Pentecostal churches commit the sin of prelest regularly

>>520218717
>Gospel of Thomas
that's a known and very late forgery

>>520218888
Georgian bussy posts

>>520218888
>there's only one church
>we aren't in communion with other churches
which is it

>>520217818 (OP)
baptist is the only right answer, but make sure the pastor isn’t zionist.
too many baptists buy into dispensationalism.
expect to be disappointed.

>>520218498
>Catholic Church because we don’t allow gays
yeah, pedo-gay priests idolaters surely are Gods Chosen
>>520218682
>Pentecostal
speaking tongues, totally not schizo
>>520218763
begone devil
>>520218888
>any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them
cope

>>520218316
If for whatever reason you're truly committed to being an iconoclast, then Lutherans are probably the least bad, theologically speaking, out of all of the Protestant churches.
Got any other stipulations regarding things like Christology?

>>520218316
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own lusts, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions.

>>520218687
You don’t know what he is talking about.
You are thinking of the strict definition of gnostic:
>Agnostic - no belief
>gnostic - belief

Gnosticism is a tradition that is differentiated from the strict definition of gnostic. To summarize it’s a sect of Christian Mystics that also adopt the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus, but they have a different interpretation of Hermetic texts than Hermetics. They think that Jesus was sent here to teach people about the corruption of the material world and how to escape the cycle of reincarnation.

>>520219031
Word concept fallacy pedantic moron. There is one continuous church established by Christ through apostles, there are many schismatic churches as in religious organizations that have broken away sadly from the unchanged consistent true faith starting with the Romans.

>>520219089
Have fun worshiping a Jew then you disgusting Israel praising Christcuck.

>>520219178
nah man, i identify as a sedevacantist, and the seat of rome has been empty since peter was executed by rome.

>>520218961
The only forgery is the corrupted texts of the church. The Gospel of Thomas is probably closer to what Jesus actually taught. Jesus was probably killed because he told people that the kingdom of heaven was within them. Which threatened the sovereignty of the church.

>>520219127
2,000 more years, trust the plan Jew worshiper. You're going to live in a magic castle in the clouds after you die for sure.

>>520217818 (OP)
>what kind of jew nigger worship cult should I join
Join the 41%, tranny

>>520219287
No no no! My Jewish fairy tale text is the REAL one!

>>520219136
>You don’t know what he is talking about.
>You are thinking of the strict definition of gnostic:
>Agnostic - no belief
>gnostic - belief

no, i'm not talking about that, i'm talking about gnosticisms, there are a shitload.
sethian? valentinian? basilidean? ophite? cainite? carpocratian? marcionite? manichaean? mandaean? naassene? simonians? elkesaites? archontics? borborites? docetists? thomasine? hermetic? ptolemaean? peratae? encratite? cerinthian? ebionite? kabbalistic? islamic? ismaili? sufi? cathar? bogomil? rosicrucian? theosophical? jungian?

>>520217924
The thing I’m struggling with is if going to SSPX is important then why is staying in communion with the Vatican II post conciliar church also important to me? Especially now with Leo where we see Francis wasn’t just a one-off and it’s only gotten worse and worse basically starting with John XXIII. Fundamentally the sedes are catholic. Fundamentally SSPX my be catholic too but they’re better because they won’t call a duck a duck? In any case it’s all academic I only have novus ordo parishes as far as the eye can see.

>>520219222
>>520219327
>>520219399
flaming faggot detected.

>>520218871
At the church i attend we don't do the flag thing u mentioned but yes i have seen some members of the congregation go into a seizure like state before but its on rare occasions as well as the speaking in tongues attacks, they say it's the holy spirit that made them do it, my closest experience is being moved to tears and bawling like a baby for unknown reasons and my body feels trembly for a while after, it's happened to me a couple of times. Yes, i have also seen the congregation lift their hands in honor/appraisal through songs of worship, although i personally see nothing wrong with this, i don't do it myself.

>>520219089
I understand that you have been brainwashed by decades of Anglican cartoon Christianity but you have to understand that unlike schismatics we orthodox try to understand scripture in full instead of bending it to our whims.
>2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
>3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
>4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

God is telling us that we shall not worship any God other than him and shall not turn anything into an idol, as in a fetish/idol, because that is what majority of pagan deities were they were literally a personification of an earthly force turned into an image and then often possessed by demons.
Because you have lost the plot completely and are fully divorced from original Christianity, hell you can't even just go to 1700 year old churches to see how they look unlike someone living here in the east, you are in a state of complete delusion. We know that God is not against images themselves because if he was then he would not allow images of angelic hosts in the holy temples described in the old testament, but we know exactly how they looked to a surprising amount of detail.

>>520217818 (OP)
Reformed

>>520219399
I’m not even Christian dude…

>>520219262
If you believe in sedavacantism you basically believe that hell prevailed against the church

>>520219606
what are your thoughts on molinism as a reformed gentleman?
do your opinions echo james white's?

>>520217818 (OP)

They are all sex cult weirdos. Christianity is just closet paganism.

>>520219503
Or you can just admit that Catholic church has gone into error for far longer, since Pope claimed temporal supremacy on earth.

>>520217818 (OP)
The Jewish god Yahweh incarnated as a man and sacrificed himself to himself to remove the curse caused by the woman that ate the magic fruit, this really happened in real life.

>>520219633
the bible teaches that satan has temporary delegated authority on earth.

>>520219633
Then I’m supposed to believe Vatican II and everything after was the Holy Spirit? Only makes sense if you can believe that the Holy Spirit wanted to deprive me of the truth.

>>520219578
>i-i'll make some ai image of you as a jew loving nigger, that will please wotan
LARPagan retard

>>520219897
Which version of Jew fairy tales will I choose to rule my life? Hmmmm

While you attend wherever, I would highly recommend reading any of the following,
>Gregory of Nyssa's Life of Moses
>Pseudo-Dionysius Mystical Theology
>St. John of the Cross's Ascent of Mt. Carmel
>Nicholas of Cusa On Learned Ignorance and the Vision of God
>Meister Eckhart (and the other Rhineland mystics such as Johannes Tauler)

>>520219941
yep, and the data shows that he is most likely a faggot.
mark and avoid.

>>520219941
Turn the other cheek Jew worshiper

>>520220040
nah that’s for gay people.
just read the KJV cover to cover.

>>520217818 (OP)
Presbyterian

>>520217818 (OP)
You should join the one that supports Israel. Christians love Israel and say Jews are God's chosen.

>>520219793
But not against the church, specifically and directly in Matthew 16 18 we are promised that Satan can not prevail against the church.
>>520219897
You need to accept that Catholic church is in schism since Vatican 1 and return to orthodox church.

>>520220145
Church father's from 300s who were in direct line from apostles is "gay"?
If you genuinely believe that, you effectively believe that Christianity didn't exist until reformation.

>>520220145
>nah that’s for gay people.

Ah, the KJV by King James the Homosexual! Good thinking, Christcuck!

>>520220255
well considering that satan has clearly and decisively conquered YOUR “church”, then it wasn’t the same church that was referenced.
¿comprende?

>>520220401
actually the data shows >>520219537 that the papist is 0.9% more likely to be a homosexual in contrast to the fundamentalist.

>>520220069
>muh turn the other cheek
Keep harping on that, I'm sure you'll enter valhalla with Kash Patel after defeating the eternal Christcuck on an anime imageboard.
It's not the fault of anyone else that you are too mentally deficient to separate the concepts of the modern state of Israel with the biblical state of Israel, but continue legitimizing them.
Follow your ancestors and come to Christ.

>>520218687
Yes, yes. Valentianianism, sethism, manichaeism... the label you throw on yourself is all quite pointless. I call myself Christian Gnostic with no further labels. Read the gospels (all of them, not just the Nicea approved ones) and commune with the holy spirit to find where the real truth is.

>>520217818 (OP)
Idolatry isn't wrong. Schizos have mental illnesses which make them more believing of a supernatural origin of their disease.

Become a muslim if you are a monotheist.

>>520217818 (OP)
I think you're out of luck!

>>520220512
>Follow your ancestors and come to Christ.
>Worship this dead Jew

Never going to happen Christcuck.

>>520220512
Turn the other cheek you pathetic little bitch

>>520220255
Thats retarded I’m still a papist I get that theres a downside when you have gay popes but one day you may get a pope that says its not a sin to kill muslims and you’re going to want to be there for that

>>520217818 (OP)
>Schizos
I see you subscribe to Jewish brain science.
You should try the Mormons. They don't read the bible.

>>520217818 (OP)
Orthodox. Icons are not idols. Iconoclasm is Muslim tier hysteria.

>>520217818 (OP)
None.
>Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
>Luke 17:21

>>520218687
this

gnostics are evil in the way they intentionally deceive others into it. I really hate them.

>>520218572
>dude just become a heretic cause you’re such a special snowflake that you need your own personal religion

>>520220418
No, my church is doing well

>>520218717
Church isn’t about learning nigger. That’s what schools are for.

>>520217818 (OP)
God is a idol in its own right, just a substitute for something else,any worship is schizo delusion

>>520221260
dumbest post i've read today
a high honor

>>520221104
>Orthodox
>he doesn't know what Orthodox Christians do with the dead limbs of saints

>>520219287
He also said it in Luke 17:21. Only 4 things Jesus said in the Gospel of Thomas didn't make it into the others.

>>520220918
This isn't a subjective optics based take, we aren't talking about companies that sell cheese and need a better CEO, Rome broke away from church by implying that Papal infallibility exists, that synodal ecumenical councils are no longer necessary on equal grounds, and that Pope has temporal supremacy.
Return to orthodox Christian faith.

>>520217818 (OP)
None. Chill at home. You don't need a church to be christian. It's good but there's too many liars, and much deception. If you trust in Christ you can't go wrong.

>>520221303
>sethian? valentinian? basilidean? ophite? cainite? carpocratian? marcionite? manichaean? mandaean? naassene? simonians? elkesaites? archontics? borborites? docetists? thomasine? hermetic? ptolemaean? peratae? encratite? cerinthian? ebionite? kabbalistic? islamic? ismaili? sufi? cathar? bogomil? rosicrucian? theosophical? jungian?
Schizo

>>520217818 (OP)
I saw Jesus walking around in the spirit and had angels talk to me and help me at a protestant church. There was also a older seer who met me in the parking lot after and confirmed what happened. Got a partial deliverance doing a blessing at a Catholic church but they laughed and called me a dork. The brown robed guy hated me and gave me shit for not being Catholic. Holy Spirit in both places the Catholics were more rude and rough. Wherever Jesus is loved is were the true church is.

>>520221334
the incorrupt become relics

>>520221334
Bodies of saints are on the way to transfiguration earlier than others because of their exalted Holy state, it isn't strange that their remains exert mirh and other healing substances. It is simply a sign of grace to participate and see how matter gets transformed by God because ultimately all matter will be transformed after eschaton. Why would you not marvel at how good our God is turning even flesh ageless?

>>520221472
>Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
>For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
>Behold, I have told you before.
>Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

>>520221472
This too. I would sit in a Catholic church looking for God and eventually I got home one day from an empty church and the love of God hit me.

>>520221486
yeah they are

>>520220145
Good man.

>>520217818 (OP)
Orthodox is the only answer, catholicism is even worse than atheism, at least atheism doesnt put on a front that they're following Christ

>>520219669
We do not have free will as we think we do. Our wills are bound to the spirit(s) inhabiting our hearts.

Our will can be bound to spirits of error (lust, envy, pride, wrath, greed, etc.) or our wills can be bound to the Spirit of Truth (the Holy Spirit).

Of course though, even as we may be bound to the Holy Spirit that now inhabits our regenerated heart, we must not forget that sanctification is a lifelong process, we are still trapped in our sinful flesh that is marked for death, but when we do die and are resurrected, we will receive glorified bodies that are incapable of sinning, and all will be well.

I believe salvation and regeneration are entirely the work of God’s will and grace alone. Scripture presents salvation as monergistic, God alone raises the dead heart to life, grants faith, and brings a sinner to repentance. I find far greater biblical support for monergism than for any synergistic model that makes regeneration contingent on human decision.

>>520222723

There is this interesting saying I picked up on:

While I’m a Calvinist, I can still laugh at the caricatures people create about Calvinism. But let’s clear something up: Calvinism doesn’t deny free will—it clarifies its limits. As David says in Psalm 16:2, “I have no good apart from You.” Our free will, apart from God, always leads to sin and destruction (Romans 3:10-12).

Before salvation, Scripture describes us as spiritually dead (Ephesians 2:1), blind (2 Corinthians 4:4), and deaf (Mark 4:12). We’re powerless to give ourselves life. It is God who gives us eyes to see, ears to hear, and hearts of flesh instead of stone (Ezekiel 36:26). Salvation is entirely a work of God’s sovereign will (John 6:44, Romans 9:16), and every good thing, including our faith, comes from Him (Acts 15:8-9; Philippians 1:29).

So while this is funny, it’s important to understand that Calvinism doesn’t deny free will; it just affirms that our will is bound by sin until God sets us free. “If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.” (John 8:36).

Can a blind man use his free will to see?
Can a deaf man use his free will to hear?
Can a lame man use his free will to walk?
Can a dead man use his free will to live?

Only by the grace of God.

- Indiana Brunner

>>520220798
Memeflaggot checks out, spouting dumb shit

>>520222723
>>520222739
yeah we're aligned on the "whats"
>monergism in regeneration
>bondage of the will in sin
>salvation as God's unilateral work
we just diverge on the "hows."
molinism's middle knowledge explains how God sovereignly actualizes a world in which every elect person freely receives Christ within the circumstances He foreknows and ordains, without a whisper of synergism.

>>520218316
>I would rather go to a church that God welcomes
None, because gods are from mythology and fairy tales.

>>520222739
You believe in determinism and preselection, ultimately

>>520217818 (OP)
>>520218316
Does it even matter?
Just keep going to same gay loving tranny den led by women, it's like every other protestant denomination.
Maybe join a seperated "conservative" cope church that will inevitably become just as gay. It wouldn't matter.
Protestants are genuine idiots that can't comprehend that there is just one main church with unbroken apostolic succession that came before bible. So they keep making up new bullshit every decade and get subverted by politics easily.

>>520223485
what are your thoughts determinism and preselection as an eastern orthodox gentleman?
are you familiar with the canonized eastern orthodox martyr cyril lucaris' calvinist teachings?

I was raised Catholic but I go to different churches lol. Sometimes I go to my Catholic Church. Other times I go to my local Presbyterian church. Other times I go to my local Anglican Church. I’ve even been to ridiculous Baptist and Unitarian churches.

>>520223853
>I’ve even been to ridiculous Unitarian churches.
is there any other kind?

>>520217818 (OP)
Candies for all tastes.
I thought it was balloons for children.
Same same.

>>520223677
which church is it, come and teach us the truth if you have it, unironically

>>520223133
This is pure shizophrenic heresy, idea of regeneration as a purely monergistic act, where the human will is implied to be totally passive, is a distortion of the Gospel and the Fathers. Scripture never portrays salvation as God dragging a lifeless corpse into faith against its will. Christ Himself says, “Behold, I stand at the door and knock” Rev 3:20. That image alone refutes the notion that grace forces entry. Saint Paul tells us to “work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you” (Phlp 2:12–13). God acts first, yes, but His grace calls for our cooperation, our synergy. Saint John Chrysostom writes, “It is ours to choose, it is God’s to complete.” Grace does not cancel freedom, it restores it. Your moronic idea of implied passive regeneration makes man an object of divine manipulation, not a living icon of God. Monergism fails because it denies the very purpose of the Incarnation. Christ took on full humanity to heal and elevate it, not to render it inert. Saint Maximus the Confessor taught that salvation is the union of divine and human wills, not the destruction of one by the other. The Lord said, “If anyone would come after Me, let him deny himself and take up his cross” (Mat 16:24). There is a call and a response, that is the pattern of divine-human communion. Why do you in your moronic hubris recreate refuted heresies from the first centuries.
I'm genuinely and sincerely curious, does it not bother you at all that practically every single heresy you teach has been refuted 1500+ years ago? Are you not at least partially interested to see the dialogues of the church fathers at all?

>>520217818 (OP)
Why ask here? People who live by the teachings of christ dont sully themselves on the chans. Shitposting is unchristian.

>>520217818 (OP)
>what's the best type of Jew worship
None
Fuck off
>>520217924
>>520218010
Same as all other Jew worship

>>520224243
Oh come now, Diogenes would have turned off his lamp the second he opened /pol/.

>>520219897
>Vatican II and everything after was the Holy Spirit?
You want to hear my cope? V2 and everything after are so close to, but not yet heresy, that its basically a miracle. The Holy Spirit keeping a bunch of crypto heretics from actually damning the Roman Church. This is not a good state of affairs: we stand on the edge of a blade. But the situation remains hopeful because those who would push the Church into heresy have not yet succeeded despite their seemingly herculean efforts.

>>520223744
There is a real distinction between temporal reality and eternal uncreated state in which God is, it's not just a minor difference but one that creates magnitudes of infinite separation of perception of reality for creatures and God.
God fully foreknows everything because he is a beyond temporal entity, but within temporal reality he does not gard predetermine secondary causes, it is simply impossible for created entities to have ultimate free will which is uncaused ex nihilo decision making free will. But we have as much free will as it is possible to have in a caused temporal reality without any additional complications.
As for beliefs like that if Patriarch Lucaris, saints are also human and can have error in their judgement, thankfully church is not determined by patriarchs but instead by communal decisions of bishops. Generally I also do not believe that differences of faith on this level can damn you, I think the basis of a church as institution is nicean Creed, apostolic succession and spiritual life sacrificing your flesh to your faith. That being said I think that generally the consensus of the church is curated by the holy spirit and it is safe to follow the most orthodox teachings in the church, and when issues like iconoclasm will happen holy spirit will correct it.
I just strongly feel about hard determinism because that kind of reality removes the point of salvation and makes entire interplay between humans and God arbitrary farce in my opinion.

>>520220255
>since Vatican 1 and return to orthodox church.
yall are always skittering about in regards to the cause of our separation. If I ask 10 Orthodox for the prime reason for the schism, I'll get 20 answers. Frankly I don't think most Orthodox Christians understand the issues surrounding the schism. Most Catholics don't either, but they don't constantly sperg out at Orthobros either.

>>520224379
Diogenes wasn't a christian

>>520223985
Yes. Pentecostal, Baptist, Lutheran, Anglican, LDS, Novus Ordo, there are plenty of ridiculous churches in clown world not just Unitarian.

>>520225006
It is clear as day, read what happened in 1054, illegitimate convoy of the pope had the gaul to retroactively present excommunication for removing filioque (which we all know now objectively that was later added by the latins with zero ecumenical council) and not recognizing the papal authority which again completely bypassed ecumenical council.
Brother I genuinely don't understand what is there to cope about, objectively by every side filioque was a later addition, there was no Ecumenical council to discuss it, then Rome unilaterally and retroactively excommunicated the entire east for not following its random whims.

>>520225006
You are so full of shit lmao
Every Catholic or Orthodox who takes their church seriously knows the causes for the schism.

>>520219031
Both
Those that are in comunion with Orthodoxy are heretic.
Simple as.

>>520217818 (OP)
Church of satan because its an anglo.

>>520225653
satanic infiltration, I know the catholic church is rekt right now but im not sure about the orthodox one

>>520225142
i was trying to dunk on just the unitarians, how dare you
>>520224210
>>520224930
i don't really feel like having a big theological back and forth on this topic right now and apologize you went through the effort of typing so much.
>I'm genuinely and sincerely curious, does it not bother you at all that practically every single heresy you teach has been refuted 1500+ years ago?
i don't think i'm guilty of any formal heresy you could name, you're just bringing up different interpretations.
my view (molinism) is neither condemned nor embraced by the eastern orthodox church.
it's also not hard determinism.

Baptist is the closest to the original church.

>>520225778
I think monoenergetic regeneration is automatically hard deterministic, how would it not be? Genuinely curious

>>520217818 (OP)
>methodist
>Presb
>Lutheran
>Anglican
>Pent
>Coptic
Gay tranny roastie pastors

>Catholic
Globohomo mafia that pushes mass immigration and other faggotry

>Orthodox
Russian propaganda tool

How about I'm not following any of these Noahide compliant, neo-jew cults.

>>520217818 (OP)
Christian Identity.

>>520217818 (OP)
Bros which one of these is supposed to be the correct one

>>520225790
Kek do you mean the original church that compiled scripture or some other original church? Because Baptists didn’t even compile their own scripture. Catholics did that for them.

>>520225081
ok, memeflaggot.
it’s a reference to whether or not you’re supposed to hide your candle under a bushel.

>>520225535
>filioque
Yeah. That's what I meant. Eastern Catholics and Greek speaking Roman Catholics (not many, but they do exist) do not use the filioque. I can point out Orthodox scholars who do not object to the word in the Latin (or similar language in non-Greek languages). As to the shitty governance from Rome a millennium ago? I agree with you, but its not 1054 and its not Rome being unserious about unification in 2025.

>>520226004
WE

>>520221111
Indeed.

>If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty
>Thomas 3.

>>520221199
The only thing that matters is the pursuit of truth. If the world chooses to believe in lies, I shall reject the world. It is not about becoming a snowflake.

>>520225653
>knows the causes for the schism.
Cause of in 1054, but not reason for its continuation 2025. See>>520226083

>>520225925
>Orthodox
>Russian propaganda tool
Orthodox church is body of Christ, but temporaly it is also a way to communally keep pure dogma.
Russian church isn't the only Orthodox church, each autocephaly is just a bridge between a nation and a church for organizational purposes, there are many orthodox churches on neutral or negative terms with Russia.

>>520226025
all of them and none of them

>>520226058
I have no interests in ancient Greek heresay

>>520225790
>>520225790
Baptist dont believe in free will or baptism as being essential. Btw you have to explain why there was a spiritual void between the proto christians(pre church fathers) and 17th century England

>>520225886
monergism is about who causes regeneration, not how freedom works afterward.
foreknown free response isn't hard determinism, God actualizes what He knows we'd freely do.

>>520221472
This. I'm of the opinion that all the denominations are full of snakes, even starting with the Protestant schism. It would be nice to have a church that isn't whored out with a community of others, but it is what it is.

>>520226209
what are your views on mennonites

>>520227127
Mennonite borderline monastic lite tendencies are good
But dogmatically orthodoxy considers catholicism and all its offshoots, including protestantism and all branches of reformation, in theological error

>>520227422
Do you think it's possible they have Christ with them regardless of theological error, if to them they love and worship christ and god, or do you think differences in faith can't be reconciled and they won't be in heaven? Or something else

>>520217818 (OP)
Dual Seedline Christian Identity.

>>520227559
We do not control God, he isn't our djin from a magic lamp. We know that God can save others in unconventional ways like baptism through martyrdom or how thief on the cross was saved.
But Orthodox church accurately preserves the apostolic faith, I see no reason to play with God and test his limits.

>>520222739
Nice to see another Calvanist brother in the thread. Our views of free will are poorly understood because it requires an understanding of the nature of God that is very different than us sinful beings.

I usually try to break it down for the armenians as this:

>we both agree God is omniscient and knows all correct? -yes
>God therefore knows everything that has happened and will happen -yes
>therefore your choices while being your own sin cannot go against what he knows because he's omniscient?

Either God is omniscient and free will is an illusion created by our own inability to know the future or free will exists we can change God's plan through sin and God is not omniscient. I think we all know which one of those is heresy.

I see many churches falling away from God lately but God is building up the strength of Calvanists. I believe he will continue to send us strong leaders to direct his people.

I'll butcher and mulch a skull fucking satanist jew. Even better than an 4chan full of the world do.