Thread 520278022

Try to refute this statement
> inb4 it's a nigger
No ad hominem attacks please.

>>520278022 (OP)
Proof?

>>520278022 (OP)
Go pick some berries nigga. Because you clearly ain't capable of hunting.

not with my money

>>520278022 (OP)
The nigger forgot the important part: you need to work in order for that to be justified. Even communists understood that.

>>520278022 (OP)
>you
The government exists to kill you and prevent you from getting anywhere near me or my family.

>>520278022 (OP)
>if something is in your best interest, it’s your job
Normalfaggot chimp idiots seriously need to be herded off the internet

>>520278172
just go

>>520278022 (OP)
I agree. We should bring back slavery to make sure this happens.

>>520278022 (OP)
It's a nigger communist.

>>520278022 (OP)
There is no refutation and anything else is crazy

>>520278022 (OP)
If the government is going to tax me it better provide social services when I need it. They continue to take unemployment taxes from me for my whole life and I’ve never once used unemployment once I needed to use it and they denied me

>>520278280
>>520278221
white people done love they meme arrows

>>520278022 (OP)
The government is to provide the security and stability necessary to facilitate these things. The government has no business robbing me to provide for you, you communist piece of shit nigger.

>>520278221
they don't do that either though. As far as I can tell the government exists to make sure jewish activity is hidden from the public.

>>520278022 (OP)
His right
>inb4 his right what
Hes right, he is right
I agree with the nigger

>>520278367
fuck off then

low income trash can pool together their own tax money to be used to pay for their entire lives, not mine. they're not entitled to receive more than they produce.

It's true, but the corollary to that is that a system like that can only work in tight nit, ethno-culturally homogenous societies.

>>520278022 (OP)
But it isn't. The government's job is to protect rights, and defense against invasion.

>>520278022 (OP)
Okay, cool. They can pay off my mortgage today then. i'm fine with that.
Oh wait, *I* don't get those benefits? And I'm supposed to be fine with a bunch of layabout niggers getting free houses simply because they refuse to take care of themselves?
Nah, fuck that.

>>520278022 (OP)
what kind of motherfucking retarded monkey thought is this? these faggots all want free gibs
the state only has to ENSURE YOUR RIGHT TO DO STUFF, they dont have the obligation to give you shit other than safety under law, thats it

>>520278172
Actually it's my money

>>520278367
>the government has no business robbing me

Is all you needed to say and all that should be said. End all social services end all foreign aid let the cities oy for their own infrastructure end all taxation without representation from the federal government they can collect their money from tariffs like they said they would but won’t

>>520278022 (OP)
Yeah, blacks are well known for being educated and healthy; there's pretty much no need to change anything, I guess.

>>520278172
Man makes the state
Not the other way around
If the rich jews in american govt let you starve while they have cake it is ok to werewolf.

Just my opinion but neither mine nor your opinions matter in this instance, marie antoinettes opinion didnt matter either when they broght her to the gallows.

O YOU EVEN KNOW THE TAX RATES OF PRE REVOLUTION FRANCE!?!?!?

It's therefore the citizen's responsibility to uphold that same state by paying taxes. Niggers do not pay taxes or contribute meaningfully.

Ipso facto; if you don't contribute via taxes you are not entitled to the state's protection from violence, or guarantees of shelter, food, and education.

>>520278022 (OP)
>Try to refute this statement
I am so glad you are advocating for the return of
>MENTAL ASYLUMS
Because it's "in societies best interest" and governments are responsible, enjoy the lawsuits democrat run areas of the us - you failed your responsibilities to society.

noone actually gives a shit about your 20k/y income. This message is towards billionaires who still run the country and i completely agree. RIchfags owe me gibs

It’s amazing to me that the government gets by with so little
>takes half your money
>sits on it
>sends you African niggers

Like what in the fuck are they doing?

>>520278317
You are a genuine retard barely operating in language at all

*ahem*
Nigger

>>520278583
ESL seethe lel
shaniqua's food stamps and tyrone's section 8 rent are their problems, not mine.

>>520278022 (OP)
>housed and fed

>>520278022 (OP)
Hes right to a degree. At a certain cost it is not in their best interest. And that threshold is crossed caring for these dindus.

>>520278448
Low income trash do pay the most taxes per income ration. I’m low income and the government rapes me on taxes to the point where that money would drastically improve my life if they let me keep it, instead I have to fraud them by not marrying my gf and having her claim homeless and collect welfare to get my money back. Now the government is taxing me and I get nothing back whatsoever

>>520278472
The governments job is whatever you make it out to be as you (man) create the state (non human bureaucratic entity).
And if you starve and get raped and kidlled by niggers everyday, maybe some people will think about creating a new state (we did that in 1918 for these reasons and then again in 1933 for the same reasons)

>>520278022 (OP)
Giving free stuff to people usually does not incentivize them to work

>>520278692
the bottom 20% can enjoy the tax revenue collected from the others in that 20%. abolish the welfare state and blacks and browns will self-deport overnight.

>>520278060
poo colored face means it's nigger

>>520278605
>takes 70% of your money
>sits on it
>pays its politicians millions of dollars for the hard work of sitting on your money
>sends you African niggers to fuck up your world, just in case you even thought of moving upwards in the social ladder.
fixd

>>520278022 (OP)
There are only two valid reasons for government: maintaining the border and acting as a third party

>>520278022 (OP)
The state, like any corporate entity, has the job of maximizing its interests while minimizing its costs. The state may or may not have a vested interest in the personal welfare of a given resident, probably not if it is some slimeball retard. It is no more the sovereign's job to take car of every citizen than it is my job, as a landowner, to ensure the welfare of every plant and animal on my property.

>>520278022 (OP)
Why not? In a world that produces enough to feed and house everyone on the planet, why DO we prioritize the greed of rich ceo's over the health and well-being of humanity?

>>520278022 (OP)
If all that is in societys best interest why would i leave it up to the most incompetent people that exist

>>520278022 (OP)
Disagree. I think it's the government's job to make sure that housing and food are available for a reasonable price.

In the USA the median individual makes $45K a year, while the median house sells for $400K. This doesn't mean we need gay race communism. But it does mean the government is failing miserably at its job.

>>520278661
Prosemitic and bootlicker coded
I bet you have this gay ass american flag wuth black and white and one blue bar on your wall to signify your love for zog.

Who has the version of this picture where it zooms in on the smoldering corpse of a child that zog burnt alive? (Holocaust btw)

>>520278472
>create and protect a stable country so that you can have a normal life, which includes having a place to live and food to eat
thats the only sense in which i can agree with the nigger, but he probably means it in the sense of wanting the government to give you free shit.

>>520278022 (OP)
It's not the job of the state, but it is in the best interest of the state.

>>520278357
This
As long as the government demands a federal income tax they better offer several social security nets.

>>520278661
This is an important note. I think the answer is national socialism.

>>520278022 (OP)
>Try to refute this statement
no, you're gonna have to provide a source that proves this is not a fake and gay meme
but since we all know you cant do that,
all we can say is cope seethe and dilate, tranny

The only semi-legitimate use case for a state is negotiating trade agreements with other states and border enforcement, and even then it's necessary because other states also believe they have a sacred right and responsibility to exist.
Beyond that it has proven to be ridiculously incompetent time and time again.

>>520278367
I was required to register for selective service but they're not required to give me a cheeseburger if I'm hungry?

>>520278022 (OP)
Niggers do t even pay taxes, this, they should be cut off, only employed taxpaying citizens deserve benefits

It IS in the governments best interest to make sure *I* am housed and fed, stable and educated and healthy. That is why all of these thing ahappened to me.

It id not in the governments best interests to do this for those whose brains are too cooked to act rationally in response to normal stimuli. Drug addicts, the criminally deranged, people who are too dumb to ever provide anything of merit to society. Additionally, while most normal citizens have value systems aligned with society at large where benefitting one benefits the whole, foreign nationals and psycopaths have value systems that set their personal benefit as opposed to social benefit and where spending resources to support them causes the loss of those resources from the social network.

>>520278902
>Disagree. I think it's the government's job to make sure that housing and food are available for a reasonable price.
Potatoe potato, thats one way to do it but the socialist planned economy of the united states and other western nations do not allow it to be done this way
>inb4 what are you going on about you stupid nigger
Picrel, allowing uncobtrolled and ILLEGAL mass migration is an eclatant government overreach and meddling in economic affairs. Also selective application of the law is tyranny.

>>520278305
that sounds good. also no mandatory insurances should be a thing

>>520278022 (OP)
>GIBS ME DAT FO FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>520278022 (OP)
Here is the full logical refutation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmcmauM78FE

You're not gonna watch it, because you DON'T want to KNOW.

>>520278022 (OP)
If you are stable, healthy and educated, then you ought to be able to. If you need government to house and feed you then you are not healthy and stable and educated.
It is in society's best interest that you are able to house and feed yourself.

>>520279120
are those drugs addicts in the thread right now?

>>520278022 (OP)
what does "refute" mean here? we have no common beliefs upon which we may argue

>>520278022 (OP)
No that’s a mommy’s responsibility to her infant children. OP just wants the government to be a surrogate mommy.

>>520278022 (OP)
>you are stable, educated and healthy
somehow they don't remember about being stable while being around normal people, don't learn while being in schools and eat till obesity like fucking pigs forgetting about health
and el classiso - it's always smb's else responsibility and problem to care about them

>>520278022 (OP)
it's not because in order to do that, the government must take from others.
The 'promote the general welfare' argument is bunk because general welfare doesn't mean you take from some to give to others. it means you take from all to build a bridge that everyone can use.

>>520279092
>only employed taxpaying citizens deserve benefits
What a logic, the safety net (in theory) is to avoid you from dropping out of society, from having to live in the street if you get fired and never being able to work and pay taxes again.
>muh lazy niggers are abusin it
My nigger my tax euros fund entire towns of gypsies in eastern europe.
The solution is simple
>gibs only for citizens
>sont just make any nigger a citizen

>>520278022 (OP)
>refute
How would one refute an assertion, and an ill-informed one at that? He asserts that it is the government's job to house and feed its populace, I would "refute" that by simply saying "Nuh uh".

I'll note that the second sentence sounds more like a threat than anything else - "you bettuh give us houses and food, o' els', whyboi".

>>520279239
Of course not. everyone in this thread is the housed and fed and the topic of discussion is people who dont have access to 4chan

>>520279485
Look up the french revolution (the date where europe started to go downhill)

>>520278172
Actually it's my money. I will vote to flood your town with niggers until you let me use it for people instead of corporations.
Don't like it?
Should have thought of that before you handed all the power to a tiny group of people. Luckily those people are so stupid I can make them dance at the drop of a hat.

>>520279587
The Enlightenment was always Satanic from the very beginning, and that's what the French Revolution was based around.

The negro's statement is no different in spirit - "liberty, freedom, equality" to him simply means "make everyone have the same stuff as everyone else, and it is the job of the government to enforce that". He's a dirty red Commie scum, even if he's too stupid to realize it.

Alright but "free" things always come with conditions. You are housed and fed in prison too but you have to follow a strict set of rules or you get even more restrictions on your freedom. Welfare should be similar. People on welfare should be closely monitored and harshly punished for abusing it. The housing and food they receive should barely be better than prison. Should be efficiency apartments or trailers and rations of government surplus foods. Not a house in the suburbs and an ebt card they get to buy steak and lobster with.

>>520280500
That’s still better than I have as a middle class person even I can’t afford that without roommates. I have two roommates

Stop wasting money on mämmi toast.

>>520279849
>He's a dirty red Commie scum
Probably.
My point is still however this
Man makes the state, if man cannot live or even survive in this state he will werewolf (rightfully)
Look at this and also my other posts itt
https://youtu.be/dCF3aMa9_bk?si=MOSEbHKgISnAfDMB

>>520279849
>and that's what the French Revolution was based around.
Atheism caused frogniggers to starve and their royals to dine luxuriously.
Faggotbuttsex caused the tax rates for commoners to be astronomical and the rich to pay none

>>520278022 (OP)
I don't want niggers leeching off of me, I'd rather send them to Africa.

refuted.

>>520280500
The reason ebt is so unregulated is so corporations profit. Prose receives 14 billion a year from ebt subsidies its just as much welfare for the rich as it is for the poor

>>520282047
Pepsi*

>>520279757
Autism can be cured

>>520282047
>>520282076
>The reason Pepsi is so unregulated is so corporations profit.
Like this? I mean i agee but same goes for coke.
(HEK stands for Human Embryonic Kidney, these are food additives made from aborted babies and the WHO has made it so that their zse does not have to be declared)

>>520282305
How?

>>520278022 (OP)
Hey calm down, Hitler

>>520279757
incoherent ramblings

>>520278022 (OP)
I don't want the government to feed me. It's probably got gay nigger aids in the food, is addictive, and then they'll take it away when I don't support jeewws. I don't want the government to house me. It'll probably be a massive bug hive commieblock filled with niggers and spics.
>prison food and projects is limit of their aspirations

>>520279090
Your argument falls apart when I say you shouldn't be required to register for service.

>>520278022 (OP)
Maybe not mark of the beast but mark of the stupid for for sure ^^

>>520283125
>shouldn't
Ypur argument falls apart when confeonted with reality (he had to sign up in reality)
Also youre a jew, dis you get herpes from when the rabbhi sucked your foreskin off?

>>520283125
I take back calling you a jew, got ahead of myself there, but you ARE arguing for globohomo wef zog

It absolutely is the states job to allow you to acquire housing and food if you work for it. The social contract that exists is there because you give up your ability to rock up to a random bit of land and live on it in exchange for the state facilitating that fairly. Note you need to work for it and that there is no escaping to do it on your own. It’s messy and basically the state regulates your ability to find and live in a cave in exchange for security and not having to fight your neighbours. BUT and it’s a bit but, the simple fact is that this system is tribal down ethnic lines and why the fuck should it exist if it’s providing the same rights to outsiders. That is the point of these threads btw, to get you to burn down the system, I’m just saying that in this case maybe the outsiders have a point. It’s lose/lose at this point BUT know that if you destroy that which exists you’ll get outside threats moving in either way. The question is which outside group is worse and can you remove those that have infiltrated the state? If you can remove the in aiders then that is the best option, otherwise your option is to surrender to an outside power or to continue to live alongside invaiding tribes.

>>520278022 (OP)
Government is also the one enforcing stupid zoning laws and making it prohibitly expensive to build tall condo buildings with a giant grocery shop on the first floor for low income people.

>>520278022 (OP)
A man without a "government" is like a man without a cancerous disease.

These people genuinely believe the government are omnipotent.

>>520283548
non-whites LOVE living in bug hives and favelas.

>>520278022 (OP)
Always with the gimmes.
Never a please or thank you.
Just gimme.
By the way pay attention when around black parents. Listen if they even tell their kids this. Listen if they even go "AH! What do we say?"
You will never hear it. Not. Even. Once. Not even by accident if it is possible.

>>520278022 (OP)
It’s absolutely not. See the problem is libs signed away all your rights and taxes and freedoms in HOPES of the government providing these things, and now we have the worst of both worlds where we get taxed out the ass and all the money goes to non-tax payers. Yes, the government SHOULD support its citizens IF they are going to work us to death and exploit our labor for untold profit. But they don’t. So what do you do?

>>520284109
I'm just not going to waste thousands of dollars to give them away to the car and gas kikes. Also owning less property starves globohomo governments.

>>520278022 (OP)
No he’s right, the state is supposed to promote stability and not promote civil conflict. Hunger is the source of most wars, if the state doesn’t quell conflicts then it will be overthrown

>>520284900
That makes you the only Mexican on earth not drowning in busted Chevy Tahoes while there's no parking because it's nine to an apartment with five tahoes per person.
>owning less property starves globohomo
brother....

>>520278022 (OP)
>It is in society's best interest you are stable, educated, and healthy
kek
lel
this nigger thinks it's in society's best interest to pay for his entire life while he leaves a trail of single moms and unpaid child support wherever he goes

>>520278022 (OP)
Where does it say that is the governments job?

>>520278022 (OP)
I like the chinese state-capitalism thing:
- the care you're a 'better worker'.
- feed you, educate you, house you: like a racehorse
- industry belongs to them - so get 'smartest healthiest' workers

NatSoc done right.

>>520278022 (OP)

> I deserve a say in what the government does, I deserve the right to govern my own life and live my life my own way
> im such a failure as a person I can’t even meet my own basic needs when nearly everyone around men manages to do so

Pick one.

>>520278022 (OP)
It’s in societies best interest to facilitate the propagation of people who actually contribute to society while getting rid of anybody that is a net negative

>>520285080
Americans aren’t hungry they are literally obese. You cannot be both starving and overweight that is 2014 era fatlogic

>>520278022 (OP)
The government's purpose has never been to house and feed people.
>>520278305
Of course it is. He's quite literally advocating for the government to control the food supply.

>>520278357
Only works in a homogeneous society that isn't importing millions of invaders yearly.

>>520278022 (OP)
The government's job is to provide security. Something they have failed the past few decades by letting him and his ilk get uppity.

I think it's the government's job to ensure the wellbeing of its populace.

>>520287203
No, this doesn't mean you won't have to work if you're able, but it does mean that government should be able to help those in need so they can function in society, like giving them housing and jobs and helping addicts get clean for example.

>>520278022 (OP)
The Spartans did this and had a state-owned slave population called helots that they would annually hunt and kill as a rite into manhood. They also used metal bars instead of coins to make wealth accumulation impractical.

>>520278022 (OP)
He's only partially right. The government should ensure citizens are fed and house so long as a citzen is performing meaningful work that benefits the country.
Welfare food stamp niggers that don't work besides the shit they are forced to do in prison are only entitled to sleep in the cold and starve.

>>520278022 (OP)
Of course this is what niggers and commies think. They can't take care of themselves so they think someone else needs to.

>>520278022 (OP)
its better to have roaming gangs of murderers and rapists to terrorize golems. what are you thinking, that this is some kind of disney trip lol.

>>520278022 (OP)
brown

its bullshit retards, the rapists and murderers kill everyone regardless. THEYRE ALL HOUSED AND FED..........lol..........................

WHATEVER GOLEMS, im sure youre going to figure it all out!!!!!

YEA YEA THEY WILL!!!

the thing with brown people is they dont play your clownworld games of being losers for 25 years just to get a wet loaf of bread in the process. they just kill your stupid asses you dumb fucks lmao.

>>520278022 (OP)
>government's job to feed and house you
This explains why non-Whites are so stable, educated, and healthy.

>>520288553
thats only for the rich whites, retard. everyone else has to suffer so that you can have it comfy. get rekt by tyrone.

How powerless the hardened nigger must feel after being pumped up and told they're the center of the entire universe for the last 17 years. To see it all just melt away before their eyes. To turn to Twitter, which is now uncensored for the most part, and see all the voices silenced by Obama and Biden back and twice as loud, mocking your race for being dependent on EBT. Using the most painful term in the English language, per capita, with wild abandon, free from fear of banning.

No FBI Community Relations Service to get somebody fired for mocking EBT recipients and then pumping the story into the national news cycle. The Democrats playing with blacks, assuming they will stay on the plantation no matter which low IQ excuse is farted out in the general direction of the Section 8 ghettoes.

What a humiliation. And hot of the heels of everybody in the world finding out that nearly every famous black man loves to suck dick and get their cheeks busted by fellow broken bucks.

>>520288553
tried to keep this hellhole together for 40 years and my family 300 years before that. all we got was getting our properties carpet bombed by you sons of bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now you call us europoors but you sit in your shithole drowning in niggers. THIS IS JUSTICE AMERICAN ASSHOLE! FUKEN DIE!

i will sit here and make it comfy for me and i will watch how all you angloid bastards get massacred for what you did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>520278022 (OP)
Its not the govs job to do that
We have to be clear on one thing, we are strangers. I dont owe you anything, i dont know you, i have no business with you. The stuff we have now was never what was meant, this type of "i have to care for you", or "i have to make sure you have what you need". It was never the idea, because i dont owe anyone anything. I am a free person, i am my own. Only because we share a world does not make somehow your relative or something. So a goverments job was simply having some basic laws, that we dont kill each other, to ensure the freedom of every person under some kind of mutual agreement.
This developed into basic laws.

Currently we have this notion of, we are all a big family and we have to care for each other, if you see the gov as daddy in this incest family, sure the gov makes sure you are housed and fed, but you will pay for it or else you will get punished by daddy.

>>520289831
the governments real job is to murder people and to ensure the reign of the 1%, retards. go back to sleep, youre all retarded.

>>520278022 (OP)
I thought they were there to start wars YOU will fight in

>>520278022 (OP)
Slippery slope to eugenics and absolutism.

Core principle of liberal society means "You decide what is important" vs the state. This is true both in the 1700s definition of "liberal" and the contemporary definition of "liberal".

>>520278022 (OP)
Why would I refute this? I agree with this.

>>520278022 (OP)
>it's absolutely the foxes job to guard the henhouse

>>520282475
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS MOLOCH DOESN'T LIKE IT STOP RIGHT NOW HOW DARE YOU STOP YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING MOLOCH FORGIVE US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cool, a twitter-react thread!

>>520278022 (OP)
>Government is society
t...t...true central planning has never been tried!

The only proper purpose of a government is to protect man's rights, which means: to protect him from physical violence. A proper government is only a policeman, acting as an agent of man's self-defense, and, as such, may resort to force only against those who start the use of force. The only proper functions of a government are: the police, to protect you from criminals; the army, to protect you from foreign invaders; and the courts, to protect your property and contracts from breach or fraud by others, to settle disputes by rational rules, according to objective law. But a government that initiates the employment of force against men who had forced no one, the employment of armed compulsion against disarmed victims, is a nightmare infernal machine designed to annihilate morality: such a government reverses its only moral purpose and switches from the role of protector to the role of man's deadliest enemy, from the role of policeman to the role of a criminal vested with the right to the wielding of violence against victims deprived of the right of self-defense. Such a government substitutes for morality the following rule of social conduct: you may do whatever you please to your neighbor, provided your gang is bigger than his.

>>520292558
What?

>>520282518
a bullet

>>520278022 (OP)
Then it absolutely has to be that the boarders are controlled. Otherwise the system will be overwhelmed from those outside it. We can't allow noncitizens to own property either so the government can negotiate fair use.

>>520285673
>That makes you the only Mexican on earth not drowning in busted Chevy Tahoes while there's no parking because it's nine to an apartment with five tahoes per person.
Heh.
>brother....
Fine, I also do other stuff to pay less taxes. However, the biggest one I think I do is consuming less, buying at markets with cash only, and using public transport to move around and only use a vehicle when working.
Haven't tried to grow my own food yet. But at least I know how to make my own flour tortillas, haha.

Farewell, welfare!
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>>520278022 (OP)
Where in the constitution does it say that, nigger?

>>520278022 (OP)
We aint socialist duh

>>520293971
Article 1 , Section 8, Clause 1: v
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States;

>>520278022 (OP)
>Try to refute this statement
There's nothing to refute, especially in the US's context. Food stamps, homeless shelters and public housing exist for a reason.
The best counter to this would be, does society want you to be part of it? Should it?

>>520278357
110%. Lost my job many years ago when I was 23 and they told me I made too much that year so far (26k pre tax) to get assistance with health insurance. After that, fuck em. System primarily incentivizes single moms. That’s what it has always been there for, to allow women to leave a marriage whenever they want or have kids out of wedlock.

Also a poor kid I grew up with, his white sister had like 2-3 black kids. She got about 40k per year as well as subsidized housing and free medical. 15 years ago, this was the equivalent to a non-subsidized person making like 120k. She never worked a job in her life and always had a newer car, brand new clothes, tons of weed and liquor available at her house, etc.

People love government programs until they are white without kids and need access to one.