Thread 520400838

>Since the beginning of 2022, Ukraine's public debt has tripled to UAH 8 trillion ($191 billion), according to the European Solidarity party.
>Repaying the debt will take 35 years, and debt servicing and interest payments will cost an additional UAH 3.8 trillion ($90.5 billion).
who's going to pay it?

You are
Also
>European Solidarity party
Also WTF is that? First time hearing this name. Is new kremlin psyop? da vatnigger?

>you're
tranny logic.
West is going to pay reparations to Russia, losers always pay winners.

Germoney

>>520400838 (OP)
>200 billion
isn't that basically nothing in terms of today's fiat money?

>>520400838 (OP)
Russians are poor.

>>520400838 (OP)
>who's going to pay it?
A defeated Russia

>>520401156
only USA can afford such high debt, because dollar is/was the reserve currency so they can finance it through entire world.
Essentially sucking out all the juices from other countries and exporting inflation.

>>520401328
so how are you going to defeat Russia? You have no army, no equipment and no economic stability

>>520401023
You quite literally are lmao

Should have made a withdrawal before starting your two day special military operation ;^)

it will be paid in part by liquidating russian assets not in russia, the other part will be the kind of deal that germany had after ww2 with israel

>>520400838 (OP)
Ukraine is gonna pay it you dummy
>>520401350
Ukraine money go up when Russia go down

>>520401414
that's just EXTRA loan on top of existing ones.
Funnily enough, it will destroy EU so I doubt it will happen anyway

>>520401467
Cope.

Your frozen assets are literally paying for the upkeep of Ukraine's army.
Then again, the EU has been buying Russian gas for the last few years (retardedly), so it's not like it doesn't go both ways.

What is the end result going to be for Russia? You will be indebted to China, is that a good position to be in? For a few devastated provinces in some irrelevant third world shithole?

>>520400838 (OP)

They will, via debt financing with land and resources as collateral. Blackrock will own 1/3 of the country.

>>520401570
I'm sure other countries will be delighted to invest in EU countries knowing that they will just steal it

>>520401570
EU and europe in general is already in decline because of all sanctions on Russia.
If the confiscation happens Russia will go after countries who did it in international courts and WIN the case.
So you will not only destroy the credibility of western financial systems you will also still pay damages and it will not help ukraine win anyway.
So its like triple lose

>>520401610
>will

lmao dumbshit russnigger thinks he got one in on ukr but owned himself and his dumbshit country

how about make a withdraw before you invade morons
all that money could have been going to your mother's pension

a fun analogy of russian confidence and the war itself

those people are unbelievably stupid and no one respects them anymore

>>520401696
But EU will pay Russia everything it owes them, including interest

>>520401743

>will

>>520401434
>the kind of deal that germany had after ww2 with israel
Eternal subservience?

>>520401414
>we are going to do that thing soon(TM) we have threatened to do for over three years!

>>520401788
Yes it will, you are right

>>520401350
Which is why it's so funny to see countries like Canada think they can spend like us on a per capita basis and it not fuck them over. Until some other entity comes up with a more trustworthy currency to replace the USD, the US can do things other countries can't.
The US Dollar isn't the first reserve currency and it won't be the last, but for now, each time a contender comes up, either the issuing entity shits itself (EU and China) or the US explains to it with bombs why their regional currency shouldn't be used for international trade.

>>520400838 (OP)
>who's going to pay it?
Russian oligarchs.
They stored all their wealth in the EU because they didn't trust Russian banks.
Turns out the EU can just take that money and give it to Ukraine as war reparations and there's nothing the Russian oligarchs can do about it.

>>520401414
That's just will speed up western decline

Stealing foreign property isn't good for business

>>520400838 (OP)
>and debt servicing and interest payments will cost an additional UAH 3.8 trillion ($90.5 billion)

>>520401394
>army
you are relying on mercenaries, conscripts and north koreans
>equipment
All the usable soviet-era equipment in Russia’s stockpiles is now depleted, only junk remains
>economy
oil refinery status? inflation status? civil unrest status?

>>520401023
You're is wrong grammar in this situation
And you are indeed going to be paying reparations. Because you lost tranny.

>>520401671
>>520401673
Russia confiscated western companies buildings when your failed SMO started. Why are you bitching about this now? Is it because you know your losing?

>>520401880
You are alienating the last talmudic allies you have in Russia (Jewish oligarchs) only for Russia to retaliate by seizing more Western assets in Russia. You're also making sure few will want to invest in Europe.
I want it to happen only because it will make the EU collapse faster.

>>520401863
There are less and less countries in the world that're interested in using dollar for international trade.
On the opposite, USA can not stop spending retarded sums of money.
Dollar CAN actually collapse in upcoming years if China-BRICS create our own financial systems decoupled from the west.

>>520401671
EU isn't taking it for themselves, just facilitating the war reparations from Russia to Ukraine.
So foreign money is still perfectly safe here as long as they don't support warmonger regimes.

>>520400838 (OP)
>who's going to pay it?
Probably you. And maybe that was the plan all along.

>>520401673
da pidor, ja thoze zhivu v putler fantasiy mir

>>520402035
nah that happened only in response to western confiscations.

>>520400838 (OP)
>Ukraine's public debt is 0.5% of America's
oh no

>>520402045
Russian assets in EU were much larger than western assets in Russia.

And Russia is gone.
There will never be any trade between the EU and Russia ever again.
Russia will get isolated like North Korea and become an irrelevant dirt poor shithole for centuries to come.

>>520400838 (OP)
Russia once they finish leveling Ukraine to the ground or the sanctions will never be lifted.
Actually the E.U. holds 300 billion euro of Russian money, cash that has been seized. So I think we have a solution.

>>520402035
Russia is stronger than ever, an industrial and military powerhouse that is beating not only Ukraine but the entire NATO alliance

>>520401671
"Just steal it" is maybe laying it on a tad thick.

>>520401673
Yes, I'm sure Russia will be able to persuade an international court that the real crime was their assets being frozen, after starting the largest land war in Europe in 75 years.

Also, Europe's GDP dwarfs yours. Right now you're fighting the least important, most corrupt province in the EU. All we've done is give them some cool gear, and you're stalling.

>>520402270
World is a big place

>>520402342
The relevant world is a small place.
I don't care what Namibia or Uzbekistan say, you're not getting your money back. Sorry!

>>520402270
>most corrupt province in the EU
Ukraine is not in the EU lel.
Ukraine is africa tier poverty and corruption, and ziggeria is still fighting 20km from the border.
Lol
Lmao

>>520402403
international courts will take Russian side because seizure will be illegal.

>>520402425
You're correct, I meant in Europe.

And yes, it's utterly baffling how Russians post as if they're winning anything, when they turned what should have been a minor skirmish into a full scale war.

It's like if the US stalled in Iraq and then turned a literal two week operation into one that lasted several years, while Saddam kept getting stronger.

>>520402481
Your war is illegal. You want to talk about international rules of conduct, while you destabilize Europe in a war for land?

>>520400838 (OP)
>>520401414
>literally just digital numbers
>no real world assets
This whole theatre is so incredibly gay.

>>520402342
>map of drinkable tap water

>>520402516
it already happened and will happen again. There is no law framework that allows the confiscation of sovereign assets.

>>520402668
Well, setting a precedent will allow for that legal framework.

Next time you might want to pause and consider before gambling with total war.

>>520402481
Didn't the IC issue an arrest for Putin? XD

>>520401673
Who do you think owns and runs international courts?

I'll give you some clues:
1) The courts speak English. (narrows it down...)
2) They have ruled against Israel narrows it down...)
3) Judges do not wear hats with corks hanging from them, don't have a pint of Guinness instead of a gavel, and don't perform a haka at the start of every session (narrows it down...)

A court controlled and run by Brits is never going to rule in Russia's favour over them, especially in the current political climate.

>>520402668
>sovereign assets
It's the money corrupt oligarchs stole from the Russian people.
They stored them in the EU because they feared the Russian government would confiscate them.

>>520400838 (OP)
white western taxpayers, same as always

>>520403011
Plus the money came to Russia from the E.U. buying oil and gas in the first place. By divine right of prima nocta that money is E.U. money.

>>520400838 (OP)
Europe obviously, we're genociding Ukrainians might as well pay for it

>>520402065
>except when it's our warmongering and invasions t. western hypocrite
Hi preddit tourist.

>>520403005
Russia is not going to sue in unfriendly countries, we're going to sue and go for assets of countries that committed a theft in neutral countries.
The courts of these countries will take our side

>>520403331
>pokpokpok iligal invasiyns wi dindu nafing poor ukrayinians
Hello diasporapidor

>>520402516
>westoid, a NATO member bitching that "your war is illegal"
Holy fucking kek, the audacity of this nigger. Also
>preddit spacing
Go fiddle some kids more.

>>520403216
Thieving nigger logic but what else can you expect from a balt.

>>520403458
>fingoloid using any excuse to suck off Puccia
lmao

Guess we know what happened to your grandma

>>520400838 (OP)

Russia will be balkanized and the new states will pay off the debt for the next 100 years

>>520402655
>drinking tap water ever
this is you're so fucking retarded

>>520403332
Obviously you don't speak English, probably not your fault asthe notoriously shambolic Russian education system has let you down. Let me spell it out for you nonce, the Brits run every international court either overtly or covertly and a national court of a different country doesn't have jurisdiction on another country's law.

Another point might be if Russia itself is signed up to the court at the time of an alleged offence. Russia tends not to be signed up to these courts in the first place, so what court exactly do you think it could use?

You mean this could have a benefit for us?

What a twist?

>>520401966
Look man I understand you NAFOtroons are forced to regurgitate your bullshit script non-stop, but c'mon

>>520401350
Italian debt alone is 3 trillion. 200 billion is peanuts. Also you, you're paying. Thank monke.

>>520400838 (OP)
>Ukraine would get a loan – possibly €140bn (£120bn) over three years – secured on Russia’s Central Bank assets, which were immobilised by EU sanctions
>About two-thirds of the estimated €290bn of Russian assets in the west – mostly debt securities in the form of government bonds – are held at Euroclear, a central securities depository in Brussels, Belgium.
>EU officials say they would not confiscate Russia’s sovereign assets. Instead, the EU would sign a contract with Euroclear to provide a loan for Ukraine secured on these funds. When the war is over, Ukraine would repay the EU using theoretical compensation received from Russia for the invasion
>Once Russia pays reparations – a central, but not guaranteed assumption of the plan – the EU would lift sanctions and Moscow could recover its frozen assets. Euroclear would have the funds to send to Russia, completing the circle.
You're going to pay the debt after Ukraine wins according to NATO

>>520404917
Look man I understand you amego segarros are forced to regurgitate your bullshit script non-stop, but c'mon

>>520404785
if you think anglokike empire still totally dominates in soft power you're gravely wrong.

>>520405396
Pull the other one it has bells on, Nonce.

>>520405000
that's exactly why shitaly is fucked.

>>520405511
english is one of the official languages in SA.
Now that's just the beginning, Russia will unlikely start court chasing anglokikes before war is over.

>>520400838 (OP)
kek, pidrila is pointing out Ukraine's debt while his own "great country" is nearing default ... and no one's lending your corrupt shithole any money!

"October 15, 2025 — The deficit of 5.7 trillion rubles will be a record for Russia. The previous maximum was 4.1 trillion rubles in the pandemic year of 2020."
https://t-j.ru/news/budget-2025-deficit-increase/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

"Russia's national government debt was approximately $291.7 billion as of January 2025, while its external debt stood at roughly $323 billion in the second quarter of 2025, having increased from $312.4 billion in the first quarter. These figures reflect ongoing economic conditions and government actions, including increased borrowing, a slight increase in external liabilities due to the ruble's value, and the impact of high interest rates on corporate and banking sectors."
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/russia/national-government-debt

>>520400838 (OP)
>who's going to pay it?
You, you are gonna pay reparations to Ukraine for a long time :)

>>520406151
I don't care about either Vladimir or Volodymyr nor any of their slavshit subhuman underlings fertilizing donbass swamps with their carcasses but you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded, rooster faggot debt is under a quarter of their gdp and for the ameriburger states it's over 120% and keep in mind russia is a gas station pretending to be a country with a gdp of two boxes of shoelaces and four used heroin needles.

>>520405529
Having debt can mean your finances are fucked or that lenders trust you. Russian defeat is reasonably sure so that's why Ukraine is being lent money. Everything is calculated

t. PhD in Actuarial Science

>>520402065
I'm sure it will be easy to explain that to zuttslut oil sheik n°21 and nigger dictator n° 649

>>520401966
I had no idea the Daily Mail posted here.

>>520402481
Lol. Ok nigger.

>>520406409
In 2 weeks?

>all these posters talking about Russia's defeat yet nobody explains how
That's the problem with countries without any true army they're delusional about the things of war.
The ones who are going to pay is the EU, it was already decided by the US 2 years ago.
The famous frozen Russian assets is a terrible trap. If they're used yes they can help the funding but Belgium will be violating international law thus it's trying to again share the burden with the rest of EU.

>>520400838 (OP)
The printer.
Money is fake. Everybody is being scammed.

>>520406409
its not sustainable you retard, even USA can't just forever print out money let along some shithole like italy

>>520400838 (OP)
Did you ever check how much the US spends on it's military?
Did you ever check how much money Afghanistan Cost the US per year?

Okay let me spoon feed you some pure stats.

The cost of the war in Afghanistan varies greatly depending on what is included, but the US spent roughly $100 billion per year

United States' annual military budget was approximately
$874 billion in fiscal year (FY) 2024

EU Member states spent €343 billion on defense, which accounted for 1.9% of the bloc's GDP.

Japan's defense spending is increasing significantly, with the fiscal year 2025 budget set at a record ¥8.7 trillion (about $55 billion)

And now the crown of it all.

According to the Costs of War Project at Brown University, the United States spent $17.9 billion on military aid to Israel from October 2023 to October 2024.

The US has provided Egypt with approximately $1.3 billion in annual military aid since the 1979 peace treaty with Israel


So the question of can Ukraine count on it allies to pay it all? Yep it sure can. Because so far Ukraine is PEANUTS compared to Afghanistan. And unlike Afghanistan the US military is actually getting direct feedback and combat data on a potential war with China.

Considering the very real prospect of a war with China. Considering that the US left Afganistan in 2021.

US spent about $187 billion appropriated for Ukraine since 2022 through 2024.

So just so you realize this. the US is right now spending only HALF of what it spend on Afghanistan on Ukraine.
ONLY HALF. With no actual military personnel lost or countless veteran benefits needed to be paid.

So let's say Afaganistan is the USes Maximum spending limit right.

The total amount of money spent on Afghanistan varies by how it's calculated, but estimates for U.S. spending alone range from about $955 billion to over $2.3 trillion
.
So US can fund Ukraine for another 15 years. Without occurring any significant penalties back home.

>>520406945
I dunno, your women loved to get railed by Italian dick before the war, that sounds pretty vaginal to me.

>>520406994
>TLDR
Only China attacking the US can actually make Russia win a conventional conflict with Ukraine. And even then it's questionable considering the EU might consider active war to distract it's own people from the massive economic fallout from a war with China.

Also if that happens you can 100% count on he Japanese occupying the Kurils and maybe even Kamchatka.

>>520401023
>West is going to pay reparations to Russia
Actually the deal is Russia has to pay reparations to Ukraine and if it doesn't your money will be indefinitely frozen or given to Ukraine so either way you lose the money (thanks for the 700 billion chump)

>>520406383
that's a nice theory but it ain't worth shit.

"Jun 17, 2025 — Public debt servicing increased by 14% in 2023 ... in the first half of 2025 debt servicing costs increased by 51%"
https://frankmedia.ru/204756

Officially, the russian budget deficit will be almost twice as big as previously predicted and the revenues will fall by 7%
"The Ministry of Finance (of russia) has increased its federal budget deficit forecast for 2025 from 3.8 trillion rubles, projected in April, to 5.7 trillion rubles, according to amendments to the treasury law for this year. Revenue plans have been significantly revised to 36.5 trillion rubles from the 38.5 trillion rubles projected in April's adjustments."
https://www.vedomosti.ru/economics/articles/2025/09/30/1142942-pravitelstvo-zaplanirovalo-sokraschenie-byudzhetnogo-impulsa-i-rost-dohodov-kazni

>>520407026
is this the best you could come up with pastanigger? you have a literal fucking woman as a head of the state

>>520406945
>can't just forever print out money
kek, that's what your shithole is doing, though.

"The historical maximum of the money supply in Russia was reached in August 2025, amounting to 121,566.90 trillion rubles. In 2022 it was 66,253 trillion rubles. It almost doubled in 3 years.

>>520407241
>continues to be a tranny
sexual fetish as main personality trait

>>520407611
>14-1
>700 billion - 0

>>520407563
I didn't come up with it. It's how it is. Even ungodly trolls from Napoli came up to Milan to get free pussyan pussy.
>your head of state is le woman
You wouldn't understand, our women aren't like russian entitled sluts that babushkify upon marriage

>>520407589
>Debt-to-GDP Ratio
>Russia ~14.6% to 21.4% ~$441 billion
>United States ~124% - 125% $35.3 trillion
you lost tranny

euroniggers pay 4 it :D

>>520408085
kek, dumb pidrila. Your czar is so "thrifty" that only your oligarchs can live well, the rest of you barely make ends meet.

>>520400838 (OP)
>>Repaying the debt will take 35 years
Are you stupid?
They missed thier 600 million dollar intrest payment this spring for the 3rd year in a row. They keep adding penalties and they keep pretending its an asset in EU pension funds. The EU pension system will collapse next year. Just a guess.

>>520409473
Can the Rothschild ECB conjure up enough electrons to save them or will it be the final solution for Der Boomer?

>>520408085
>ma public debt to GDP
Car loan interest rates in russia in 2025:
New car: 18.4% per year on average.
Used car: 25.8% per year on average.

Mortgage interest rates in russia in 2025:
"Preferential" mortgage programs for new construction: 7% to 20% WITH a 20% down payment.
For existing housing: 20%-35%

It's insane!

US cauto-loans: based on credit score.
New cars from 5.5% to 13.5%
Used cars from 7% to 18%

US Mortgages rates: 5.54%-6.25%

you're being swindled by your "thrifty" czar, pidrila.

>>520409473
>They missed thier 600 million dollar intrest payment
kek, the USSR (through russia) finally settled their debt for lend-lease only in 2006. Although it received a massive write off of 93% back in 1972 .

>>520407589
>that flag
>shit-talking money printing
NAFO is sending their best, and they're completely retarded

>>520400838 (OP)
Aren't your pipelines are refineries on fire right at this very moment?

>>520401570
You won't do shit eurocuck there's no legal framework to steam another country property

>>520402173

300 billion € is a lot of money, but not state changing money. It's basically 1,5x of Norway's yearly state budget. Norway is 5,4 million people.

And, Russian have never ending oil and gas fields. Since petroleum reserves contrary to popular beliefs, actually refills themselves.

Debt is not real

>>520401414
You won't do shit eurocuck

>>520400838 (OP)
well there's over 200bilion of frozen russian assets in western Europe, you do the math

>>520400838 (OP)
>it will cost billions just to keep count and calculate interests
This is the most Jewish thing I’ve ever heard

>>520411545
So in other words...EU will pay. As stealing assets invested in EU will deter other investors and further accelerate European economic decline.

>>520400838 (OP)
200 billion dollar for a 20 million nation. That's 10 000$ per citizen.

If I were Zelenskyy I wouldn't open the border after the war. It's a price for freedom, for saving Ukraine as a state. If men flee the country who is gonna pay off the debt?
Or maybe a better way. If you have no debts, public or private, and you can donate 10 000$ to the government, then you can leave.

>>520402161
>western assets in Russia
?

>>520400838 (OP)
>who's going to pay it?
Well you know, conveniently there's this Russian $200 Billion lying around.

So in the end Russia will probably pay for it.

>>520402161
nice headcanon
Europe is essentially buying Russian natural resources indirectly through India right now
>>520413463
he meant the McDonalds that became Uncle Vanya's

>>520413589
they want to use them for another loan not to pay it

>>520401696
>>520401570
kek keep seething more nafoids. ukranda is being torn a new one and its so fun to watch.

>>520402516
go back to led dit you disgusting nafoid underage retard. Daddy's not coming home Taras.

>>520410412
Ok faggot
Its like you nafo troons will just say anything

>>520411545
So why havent they taken the money?
Because western oil companies have more than that invested in russian oil wells and pipelines, which Russia will sieze.
Stupid faggot

>>520413463
For example chevron owns 15% of the Caspian Pipeline that delivers 1.4 millions of of oil/day. Every oil company has leased on wells all over Russia and in the Black Sea.

Retards

>>520415134
No for two reasons. First if Belgium seizes funds from other countries it'll violate international law, same law they invoked since the beginning, which means they're the ones who'll have to pay the $200 billion. For now they refuse to seize unless EU accepts to collectively take the financial burden.

Second EU members are divided on seizing it or not because some legitimately think that if foreign assets are seized because of what a government did, then investors (companies like wealthy individuals) will fear they'll be next if their government is seen as stinky, triggering a capital flight.

>>520415578
they're also divided on how to spend it.

>>520400838 (OP)
Bold of them to assume that Ukraine is going to exist in 5 years.

>>520415578
Imagine pretending Russia hasnt been siezing assets too
>Back in 2022, Putin signed a decree to seize the Sakhalin-1 project, in which Exxon held a 30% stake.

Are russians truly this delusional? So they seriously think their weak dirt poor irrelevant shithole has a say in anything?

>>520415578
New EU fascism has no respect for private property rights. Its a slippery slope.
>OMG he said sandnigger take his stuffs!

>>520401023
>West is going to pay reparations to Russia, losers always pay winners.
this is like vietnam. russia will be too salty to pay after it's over.

>>520415949
>vietnam
are you confused burgernigger? You lost vietnman, really badly.
We're winning in ukraine and we will take whatever we want to take and you can't stop us.

50 billion dollar Russian company
>BP is to offload its 19.75% stake in Russian state-owned oil firm Rosneft after Russia's "act of aggression in Ukraine".

>>520415943
Vladimir here is afraid. Very afraid. He knows russia is heading towards collapse and all he can do is project his own shithole's weaknesses on other far stronger countries.

The plan is to let Ukrainians fight to the last xoxol, put extreme amounts of debt on them and then when nobody is left and russia sweeps in, they also take over the debt obligations. Lol!

>>520400838 (OP)
russian assets + all those rare earth deposits that will belong to other nations for repayment of debt. If they win that is