Thread 520522390

There is no afterlife, and deep down most people already know this but can't handle it. Your consciousness isn't some magical soul floating around, it's literally just neurobiological processes firing in your brain. When your brain stops, you stop. Period. We're complex meat computers and when the hardware fails there's no software backup to the cloud. Philosophers love dancing around this with ontological gymnastics and vitalist cope about consciousness transcending the physical, but it's all just elaborate denial. Science tells us we came from inanimate matter and we'll return to it. Freud was right that the aim of all life is death, a return to that inorganic state we borrowed ourselves from for a cosmically brief moment. In 4.5 billion years the sun dies and takes all trace of human thought with it, and the universe won't even notice we were here. No part of "you" persists because there is no "you" separate from the physical processes that generate the illusion of selfhood. Extinction isn't a doorway to something else, it's just the lights going out forever. Every spiritual framework or philosophical system that promises otherwise is just folk psychology and primitive theory we cling to because accepting annihilation is psychologically unbearable. But unbearable doesn't mean untrue.

>>520522390 (OP)
That's like your opinion, man.

>>520522390 (OP)
>There is no afterlife, and deep down most people already know this but can't handle it.
Would you want to live forever?
I feel bad for young people who do, and die.
But once you get to your mid 30's your ok with it.
I've seen people just Nope the fuck out of Cancer treatment even when they had good chances of survival.

>>520522390 (OP)
ok. now what??

>>520522390 (OP)
Dont talk shit about philosophy unless you're well read.

Explain why I've seen a ghost, why my mom astral projected the surgery room while under anesthesia. Humans like think we know everything. We thought that thousands of years ago and we think it now. We know nothing.

The ride never ends. You will be born again into a new body. Maybe better, maybe worse.

NOOOOOO MUHHHH JESUS MUHHHHH SANDNIGGA COPE MUHHHH MOHAMMMED ZUTTZUTTTTTT

>>520522390 (OP)
If all we are is particles arranged in a specific way than the possibility that some particles somewhere will be arranged in this way again is non zero. Infinity is a long time, you just might wake up one day after death.

>>520522390 (OP)
You must be at least 18 to post here

>>520522390 (OP)
>When your brain stops, you stop.
That's why they call it AFTERLIFE bozo.

>>520522605
Eternity is a terrifying concept, even in "paradise." It's essentially a prison. Re-rolling as a weak animal or 3rd worlder isn't even as terrifying as the sinking gut feeling of the thought of eternity.

>>520522390 (OP)
I've literally rolled out of my sleep paralyzed body and into a different reality. I am not my body. I am not my brain. I am conciousness. I do agree that you personally don't have a soul though, helicopter faggot.

I agree, and i really believe there would be millions of people retarded enough to go completely neurotic if they accepted it

>>520522390 (OP)
All true. Every godtard is a snivelling pathetic coward who doesn't have the balls to face his own mortality

>>520522730
Because you're a family of methheads

>>520522390 (OP)
facts

>>520522390 (OP)
Death as a discussion theme is irrelevant.
The true adult theme is the hard problem of consciousness, AFAIK something no atheist faggot gave any good explanation for.

>>520522390 (OP)
Agreed. It's the hopeium that keeps us wishing.

>>520522390 (OP)
I just hope I'm not reborn into this retarded universe after I kick the bucket.

>>520522535
Does anybody think Europe can fight Russia?
They're going to go for it sooner than later, I think they will do it soon to shore up Ukraine.

>>520523122
You're delusional

>>520522605
I'm 35 and still want to live forever, or at the very least for billions of years.

>>520523540
It clearly has something to do with your brain. You can introduce chemicals that have a measurable impact on your thoughts and perceptions. If you sustain damage to different parts of your brain, you have specific issues related to that part of the cortex. Your dreams are obviously related to brain activity. It's definitely a brain related thing.

>>520523122
I too have dreams

>>520523041
>Eternity is a terrifying concept
Of all the pathetic christcuck self deceptions, this ones the funniest.
>erm actually theyre both j-just as scawy as each other
You don't believe that. You won't admin it, but deep down, you know it's a cope.

You spent too much time stating the obvious. You must be between 20-30 years old.

>>520524005
you're conflating consciousness with cognition

seems so cruel
like that thing that there are galaxies moving away from us faster than the speed of light so theres not even theoretical chance we will explore them and meet the ayys from there

like what is all this mess
its so cold and indifferent to our little feelings

>>520522390 (OP)
Ok Mr. Scientist, if I snub my toe is the pain being generated in my toes or brain?

>atheists btfo by their own fedora pic
>atheists btfo by their own "euphoric" quote
>most are trannies or tranny lovers and vote accordingly
>even shitheads like Dawkins are now "Cultural Christians"
>Big Bang Theory, written by a Catholic Priest and once mocked atheists now the most accurate scientific theory for how the universe came to be
But I'm sure you retards are right about the potential of an afterlife...

Before I was born - No memory of 13+ billion years since big bang

Sleep - No memory of being asleep

Fainted/Knocked out - No memory until these states wore off

Why would death be any different than the above?

>>520522390 (OP)
We are gods consciousness temporarily given independence in our body.

>>520524449
I think sleep/dreams is proof that you can experience something and then still have no memory of it in your "waking state."

>>520524449
it's so fucked up that I smiled at this, the thought of being gone forever

>>520522390 (OP)
The Bible doesn't even contest this. Christ says he will resurrect us though. That is why Christ called death "sleep." because you literally cease to exist until Christ reassembles you and resurrects you at His return.

Ecclesiastes 9:5
>For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

The dead know nothing because they cease to exist until the resurrection. When you die it's like you black out, you could be dead for thousands of years but to the dead person their next memory is instantly the resurrection at Christ's return. When you die, you black out, then your next memory is seeing Christ, even if you have been dead for years, it is as if the next instant you are alive again from the dead person's point of view.

>>520522390 (OP)
>Your consciousness isn't some magical soul floating around, it's literally just neurobiological processes firing in your brain.
false dichotomy

>>520523041
we came from that same eternal darkness. we will be born again

>>520524729
I personally think you're misinterpreting it
>their next memory
there is no previous memory, there is no more sin, so all memory and likeness to this world is gone

>>520522390 (OP)
>Science tells
thats where your shit falls apart

>>520522390 (OP)
>Behold the pope of nihilism
Fake and gay wordy post

Enjoy the flames, heathen.

>>520524906
You die, you black out, then you are alive again at the resurrection. It's that simple.

>>520523925
This. I could spend multiple lifetimes just exploring my home state and still not have seen and done it all

>>520522480
>>520522535
>>520522605
>>520522661
Damage control thread for the truth nuke that was dropped yesterday
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/520448362/#520448362

>>520524291
No I'm not, otherwise anesthesiology wouldn't be a thing. You get chemicals, you lose consciousness, the chemicals stop being administer, you regain consciousness. Simple as

>>520522390 (OP)
> There is no afterlife, and deep down most people already know this but can't handle it. Your consciousness isn't some magical soul floating around, it's literally just neurobiological processes firing in your brain. When your brain stops, you stop. Period. We're complex meat computers and when the hardware fails there's no software backup to the cloud. Philosophers love dancing around this with ontological gymnastics and vitalist cope about consciousness transcending the physical, but it's all just elaborate denial. Science tells us we came from inanimate matter and we'll return to it. Freud was right that the aim of all life is death, a return to that inorganic state we borrowed ourselves from for a cosmically brief moment. In 4.5 billion years the sun dies and takes all trace of human thought with it, and the universe won't even notice we were here. No part of "you" persists because there is no "you" separate from the physical processes that generate the illusion of selfhood. Extinction isn't a doorway to something else, it's just the lights going out forever. Every spiritual framework or philosophical system that promises otherwise is just folk psychology and primitive theory we cling to because accepting annihilation is psychologically unbearable. But unbearable doesn't mean untrue.

>>520522390 (OP)
Presuming that's true, what's there to worry about? No different from going into a deep sleep.

>take cough medicine (DXM), and Benadryl
>remote control body like a video game
>talk to people who are no longer there

My flesh prison is weaker than most, because I am an ascended master.

>>520525043
At the very least you stop being conscious of your body.

>>520522390 (OP)
If i existed once i can exist on this plane an infinity of times.

>>520522390 (OP)
true
now stop tolerating faith and the allure or fear of the afterlife or an appeal to the unfalsifiable as motivation or basis for real-world policy

(this means all forms of conservatism and right-wing "politics" or hierarchies too, not just the dominant abrahamic cults and not even all religion)

>>520522390 (OP)
>, it's literally just neurobiological processes firing in your brain. W
Oh is that all?
It's literally just [BLACK BOX] firing in your brain?

Thanks for setting me straight anon.

>>520524449
The funny thing is that, if the universe spans long enough and you are right, then it's statistically possible for all the matter that currently makes you to come together again, a sort of resurrection. However, going lights out and then instantly waking up being born at the dawn of the heat death sounds terrifying.

Additionally, our brains shutting down will also mean the concept of time will shut down, so the final state before death could perceptively last forever - a sort of frozen-in-time state that'd be bizarre to experience, breaking down the moment you become aware you're between life and death the same way one wakes up when they're aware of their dreams, except instead of waking up, it's instant oblivion. Not darkness or light, just nothing, like trying to see out of your elbow. There would be no concept of this at all, so the eternity of death would be as instantaneous feeling being in a 2-week coma with no recollection of how long it's been.

If you've ever gone under anesthesia for surgery, you'll know what I'm talking about. Fall asleep, then suddenly wake up and the operation's over.

>>520523540
chemical reactions occurring in physical configurations of your brain matter. thoughts are your brain using its sensory centers to test run fake stimuli. consciousness is not some weird essence.

>>520525112
I've been under anesthesia, you lose consciousness, period. If consciousness wasn't related to your brain, why would anesthesia make you lose consciousness?

>>520525278
I'm saying that you have no idea whether you were experiencing something during anesthesia because you have no memory of it.

Consciousness of your body being linked to the brain is all that we have evidence of.

>>520522390 (OP)
I can't see my nose

>>520525339
>Consciousness of your body being linked to the brain is all that we have evidence of.
That's correct. To put it another way, don't have any evidence that consciousness is not related to your brain activity.

>>520525043
Now you're conflating medically understood consciousness, which is really just awareness, with big C consciousness, which is the very nature of your phenomenological experience. If you take a hammer to a calculator it might start giving funky output, it might even stop responding entirely, but you don't suppose you've ended it's "consciousness" since you assume all its executive functions happen "in the dark" as it were. Consciousness is the distinctly "live" nature of your experience of self, which you assume other human beings experience as well, irrespective of if they're under anesthetic or been lobotomized

The science has changed, you believe in some 2010 redditor view of science. The only researchers who aren't working for the profit of some oligarchs, the glowniggers, have already explored the afterlife through remote viewing. Look into those declassified studies and reconsider if you want your soul to be permanently annihilated for lack of conviction.

>>520522390 (OP)
My television loses all signal when the power is cut. This is somehow proof that the programming is created within the television and is now lost forever. JK

>>520525076
Then why worry about anything?
Why lift? Why get high paying stressful job? Why wake up?
Its all useless and everyone knows it.
It is so tiring thinking about it. It will ruin you. But who cares?! You are not special.

>>520525486
I think that consciousness is a fundamental property of reality that becomes outwardly visible when matter forms into a body.

I want to do ketamine, adderall, and dmt all at the same time.

>>520525665
Im going on ketamine protocol
Sick of nothingness

(you denial)520522390
I would reply, but you're a 1PBTID kike so everything you wrote is false, malicious, and intentionally pushing a vile narrative.

>>520525593
It's simple, most humans actually still have "instinct" deep down that drives us to "live life"
Being able to actual kill one self is quite the accomplishment when you think about it (or severe mental degradation).

Anons mention anesthesia as proof brain = consciousness when there's an uncommon phenomenon of patients leaving their body and observing the surgery from a third view while under anesthesia.
>inb4 fake stories
Nope, it's a scientifically proven phenomenon. As are Near Death Experiences. Why they happen is up for debate.

There are people missing significant portions of their brain that remain fully conscious. It's not as cut and dry as materialists make it out to be.

>>520525781
I hear ketamine give people NDE's where they leave their bodies like a dissociative would induce.

Just zesting it up with an upper and a tryptamine would make it so other agents would become visible and you could interact with liminal beings.

>>520522390 (OP)
>There is no afterlife
You know nothing.

>>520525498
>consciousness, which is really just awareness, with big C consciousness, which is the very nature of your phenomenological experience
They're the same thing and you have presented no evidence to the contrary.
>If you take a hammer to a calculator it might start giving funky output, it might even stop responding entirely
This is actually quite an ironic example because I can make specific changes to the processor of a calculator that will affect the output in a way I can understand perfectly. For example, I can switch the sensors so that pressing 1 is recorded as pressing 2, or add when people try to multiy. The output of the calculator is directly prescribed by the nature of its underlying hardware, which means it's "consciousness" is totally defined by its "brain". You are not conscious when under anesthesia just like a calculator does not process numbers when you take the batteries out. There's no magical thinking or esoterics required.

>>520522390 (OP)
this is what atheist believe in, i know, ironic to believe as an atheist, but with that they end up with existential crisis.
Reality is, there's after life, there's hell and heaven too, there's a creator. This life is your chance to do good and be good to live in heaven for eternity, or be bad and go to hell.

>>520526008
Yes there was also a woman who had all blood removed from her brain, for brain surgery, and experienced something similar.

>>520522390 (OP)
Me on right
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=35K6vQRt67g&list=RD35K6vQRt67g&start_radio=1&pp=ygUWamVzdXMgbG92ZXMgbWUgZ2VuZXNpc6AHAQ%3D%3D

>>520525593
Why you're typing this? Just kill yourself already. Those who see life as a gift don't think like yourself, neither question the existence, they just enjoy living because their life has importance and significant.
Life is valueable, if you don't see that, than you are gay and retarded, better shoot yourself quickly (Joking, please follow God).

>>520526127
Video unavailable in the US.

wtf

>>520525616
Even if so, a brain is clearly a key part of that process, unless you think a pile of shit is conscious.

>>520526310
It is true, a pile of shit doesn't have the mechanics to do anything.

>>520522390 (OP)
Can you, you know, actually prove anything you said?
Like, actually prove it with data and research that shows human consciousness completely stops at death and it's not uploaded somewhere else.
Yours it's a bold ctheory but I don't see any scientific proof of it

>>520526319
Appeal to authority is not an argument

>>520525616
Yeah, everything is a singularity and bodies are just the manifestations of the over-soul splitting itself.

I believe we're in a highly complex determinism machine that was created to develop perfect/objective morality as morality is currently subjective.

>>520522390 (OP)
You wish

>>520526377
So poop is conscious yes or no?

>>520526319
you don't have to check your ego if god is the reason you don't know something, amirite?

now you can have "the answer" (god) and still have a massive ego, just like all the non-whites do

>>520526261
Genesis. Jesus he knows me.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EprQGmZ3Imw&list=RDEprQGmZ3Imw&start_radio=1&pp=ygUZZ2VuZXNpcyBqZXN1cyBoZSBrbm93cyBtZaAHAQ%3D%3D
This work?

>>520522390 (OP)
you just come back.
reminder image boards are eternal and come in many forms, and in your next life you will be back.
you're here forever.

>>520526417
>I believe we're in a highly complex determinism machine that was created to develop perfect/objective morality as morality is currently subjective
Most conscious things aren't people.

>>520526090
Unfortunately your hardware seems incompatible with meaningful comprehension of the problem of consciousness much less its solution, so you'll continue talking in circles like this until the thread dies. I'm going to presume I'm dealing with David Chalmer's zombie here

>>520522390 (OP)
Remember how terrible it was before you were born? Me neither I can't wait for this to be over

>>520522390 (OP)
why would annihilation be unbearable if I literally can not experience it?

>>520526450
To a degree, but is it individuated consciousness like we attribute to humans and animals? Don't think so.

>>520522390 (OP)
>>520522480
>ELECTRICAL AND CHEMICAL ACTIVITY
>WHERE DOES IT ALL GO, MAN?
When you turn off your car;
>all the electrical activity stops
>all the chemical activity stops
It just cools down.
It doesn't go to the Chrome Gates where St Chrysler lets it though the gates to the Promised Parking Lot.
It just stops and cools down and ends.
>Q. What makes anyone think the electrical and chemical activity in human brains is any different?

>>520522390 (OP)
>All that exists is materialism
>Ok how do you know
>Materialism told me

>>520524045
It's not lucid dreams, I have those too. I'm actually exiting my physical body.

>>520526507
Doesn't work, but it's not giving the "not available in your country" message anymore so maybe it works for others.

>>520523011
Topkek

>>520522390 (OP)
If all of this is true, then why do all of these things are here on the first place? there is living things ruled by complexe systems who just exist. It has to come from somewhere and death doesn't necessary mean an end to everything. It mean an end to our existence in this life sure, but it doesn't mean it's the end of every types of existences we cannot simply perceive or understand in our current incarnations.

>>520524449
Maybe you're just a soulless NPC. I definitely remember when I'm asleep but the brain quickly forgets it soon after waking. No reason this isn't also thr case with past lives. Infants can't talk they may well remember what came before buy rapidly forget after birth.

>>520526507
This song fucking rocks.
I wonder if it's based on this scam artist https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9LtF34MrsfI&pp=ygUYdHYgZXZhbmdlbGljYWwgcHJlYWNoZXJz

>>520522390 (OP)
>In 4.5 billion years
Those random made up numbers always kek me up

>>520526008
For a Christian this is still a minor issue regardless. The Bible and various churches always speak of the "resurrection of the body" and another anon spoke of it earlier in this thread. Humans are part physical and part spiritual. Your spirit cannot exist or experience reality without a body to act as a medium. When you die your body is dead and therefore your spirit is gone from it. This however does not mean it cannot be put into a new body, indeed most conceptions of heaven is that it is a physical reality where you inhabit a new body and live in an eden like state, fully interacting with a physical universe.

>>520526686
>>All that exists is materialism
>>Ok how do you know
Because there's ZERO EVIDENCE for anything else.
I do not put trust in a thing without evidence for that thing.
>
YOU GOT SOME FOR YOUR BS?
GREAT
THEN FUCKING POST IT AND IT HAD BETTER POINT TO WHAT YOU CLAIM AND NOT BE AMBIGUOUS OR HAND-WAVING WEAK NIGGER BS.
AIN'T GOT TIME FOR YOUR TIMEWASTING.

>>520522390 (OP)
Cool story bro

>>520526889
>flag
Certified expert in retarded made up numbers.

>>520526931
Every part of that can be repeatedly demonstrated.
Can you say that of your bible-based faggotry, nigger-IQ?

>>520526767
Just YouTube genesis Jesus be knows me

>>520526569
I fully understand the strange paradox of consciousness as an emergent property of matter, all I'm arguing is that the brain seems to be a key part of whatever is going on and you're talking in circles about embodiment and calculators being conscious. You have nothing to offer in this conversation other than pure head canon and conjecture

>>520522390 (OP)
your consciousness is this magical soul floating around like a dmt trip. you release heavy dmt loads while dying. youre tripping and enter dmt world.

you want to see heaven and hell, smoke dmt.

>>520522390 (OP)
>accepting annihilation is psychologically unbearable.

Only if your soul is bound for Hell. Your soul knows where it's going, if death is the most mind-destroying terror you can imagine, there's a fucking good reason you feel that way, and you wouldn't feel that way if your soul was right with God.

People sacrifice their lives willingly every day all over the world, to save friends, loved ones, strangers, sometimes even to save a rival or even an enemy. Accepting annihilation is unbearable? What do you call SEPPUKU? Accepting annihilation, how about slowly and meticulously carving out your own guts?

Is that pretty unbearable? Yet how many thousands of people have managed to do it, even continuing to modern day, we have more than stories and drawings, people have done it successfully in the modern era. Along with every other form of suicide and self-destruction.

What about people who set themselves on fire?

Your every conclusion is based on a faulty premise that sounds good superficially, but doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

Aren't you trying to imply with your argument that the reason we KNOW for a FACT, OBJECTIVELY, that the afterlife cannot possibly exist because . . . people would be happier if it did?

"Well people would PREFER an afterlife, so that's how you know there isn't one, scientifically . . ."

What fucking non sequitur shit is that? Your entire argument presupposes that the universe is literally fucking "mean?"

Maybe the reason you think the world is so "mean" and the universe must be somehow not just neutral but actively opposed to you is just because you're living under a CURSE, you fucking fool. You've CURSED yourself with witchcraft that you didn't even KNOW you were casting, but you should have, because the main ingredient in witchcraft is willful, deliberate sinfulness.

Righteous Judgment is more psychologically unbearable for you than annihilation. You pray for annihilation every single day, don't you, boy?

>>520526392
Nor is your fedora tier rambling
>op literally appeals to authority to make his argument
get fucked retard.

>>520524567
Yup. Its probably why we get deja vu also.

>>520526911
>zero evidence for anything else
A rather stupid creature ain't ya

>>520527156
Post more Facebook tier memes professor

>>520522390 (OP)
YWNBAW

>>520527184
>Its probably why we get deja vu
People who have temporal lobe seizures get really strong deja vu when a seizure starts. Something tells me it's just your brain misfiring rather than some esoteric phenomenon.

>>520527311
>entire thread is a bumper sticker about how there's no life after death using Freud (fucking lmao) as the primary reference
funny how you haven't called him out yet though lol

Where does the soul of a machine go when it dies? Nowhere? Machines don't have souls, you say? Then why would humans be any different? Death for a human is no different then turning off a computer.

>>520527094
>introduce chemicals into your brain to have a specific subjective experience that goes away when the chemicals are metabolized
Thanks material determinism bro, very cool

>>520527143
mental gymnastics goycattle go through to justify their fairytale is so tiresome
I guarantee you whatever metaphysical concept of soul you believe is not even native to the religion you propose to subscribe to.
Historical Jesus didn't even believe in a soul, 2nd temple judaism believed in bodily resurrection (sound familiar?). Christcuckery is platonic metaphysics draped over judaism. It's an incoherent mythology that is sustained by pure force of cope.
Whatever idea of hell you have in your mind is likely logically inconsistent with it's own self and is a grotesque boogeyman.

>>520526090
>>520527093
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>>520522390 (OP)
Yes, you died and came back to tell us, thank you.

>>520522390 (OP)
Not bad for a drive-by 1pbtid

>>520527507
I have no idea if there is or not (and neither do you) . I assume being dead is like what it was like before you were born but that's my conjecture. The only point I'm making in this thread is that the brain does seem to play a key part in consciousness, and all the midwits (like you) are seething at it.

>>520523122
I've had periods where I would have sleep paralysis every single time I was falling asleep. So it could happen like 20 times and I still could not sleep. In those times I try to move and I'm so sure I'm doing the movement, but I'm actually not. I've also had times I was sure I was sitting in my bed but then I kinda got scared. I 100% believe in out of body/astral projecting

>>520527743
>I have no idea but I'm conjecturing shit out of my ass
>and you're too dumb to understand this
what are you blathering on about lol

>>520527641
Feel free to make an actual argument at any time

>>520522390 (OP)
Chtist is king.

>>520527852
Rich coming from the guy who one post ago admitted to talking out of his ass on a subject he admits to having no real knowledge of.

>>520527852
It's guaranteed to be lost on you wojak kun (it's over for you)

>>520522390 (OP)
>when the hardware fails there's no software backup to the cloud
At least not yet.

>>520527817
>what are you blathering on about
I'll simplify it because I know Canadian education isn't the best. I don't know if there's life after death, nobody does. I do know that the brain plays some roll in consciousness. I also know you're big mad.

>>520522390 (OP)
You. Fucking. Wish.

Listen, I accept your premises, completely and totally.
We are the thing that our neuronal pattern generates. You destroy it, you destroy us; Of course! You would have to be an insane retard to speculate otherwise.

Here's my problem, and it sucks dick; Okay, so I'm dead. My neuronal metabolic health has totally collapsed. The stuff that was me is in decay. Great, now, 1 second goes by, 1 hour, 1 day, 1 year, 10,000 years, doesn't matter, the clock just keeps ticking. In fact it goes forever, it never ends. So you're assuring me, in all of infinite time, that those exact same forces, exact same matter, exact patterns, never once conspire to form "me" again?

God, I would LOVE that guarantee, but you can't make it.

>>520527920
I accept your concession

In under one million years we went from hominids that begged mercy from the sun, the moon and the brutality of the darkness they fought over, to surveyors of countless suns, explorers of the moon, and conquerors of the darkness. One billion years is an inconsequential threat, let alone four and a quarter. We are not faultless beings, but on the cosmic scales of time we have only just been born, still growing and learning.

>>520522390 (OP)
nah uh we're the transcendental apperception

>>520526538
>you just come back.
>reminder image boards are eternal and come in >many forms, and in your next life you will be back.
>you're here forever.
No recall or intervention can work in this place.
There is no escape.

>>520522390 (OP)
The brain is an antenna that receives consciousness from the outside.

>>520523450
Easy to say now. We have a lot of nice stuff today.

>>520522390 (OP)

If there wasn't your life never happend.

>>520527982
Ad hominems and ass pull "nobody can know" mush mouthed banalities aren't arguments

Where does the soul of a machine go when it dies? Nowhere? Machines don't have souls, you say? Then why would humans be any different? Death for a human is no different then turning off a computer.

>>520522605
Thats called coping. Its one things humans so exceptionally well. Religion in general is a cope. Right now there’s a north korean just 2 generations away from being free from a concentration camp thats glad hes there instead of [that other place]

>>520528203
Does the brain have anything to do with consciousness?

>>520525148
So mob rule on impulse? Because you unironically believe that a single ethnography constructed this entire system incidentally? Like throwing a house of cards into existence from a fucking deck box sleeve flying off when you swing it?

Yeah okay.

>>520522390 (OP)
>my qualia ascends to a higher dimension
not my problem

>>520528135
this is the final cope all afterlife copers get pushed into once they're forced to acknowledge the 1:1 correlation of physical brain and it's faculties
it's the most retarded proposition
it suggests that whatever self you experience might not even be a separate entity
or whatever self you are is a beam of "consciousness" targeting your braincase

DMT copers are better than this shit

>>520522390 (OP)
>There is no afterlife. When your brain stops, you stop.
This 100%. I've already been under full anesthetic in hospital where it turned my conciousness off and the experience was exactly the same as how I felt before I was born. Everything, including time, ceased to exist

>>520528270
Agreed. It's electrical biological impulses. No different than unplugging something. 1 and 0 states.

>>520528092
In a cosmic sense our solar system is nearing the end of its habitable existence, so humanity does not really have much time left to master existing in large space ships

>>520528344
>can you please argue my point for me?
no, don't think I will lol

>>520525061
Epic ownage christcuck

>>520522390 (OP)
why do people automatically look at you when you look at them outside their POV

>>520528355
>victim of faith attempting critical thought
lol

>>520522480
No arguments? What he says is the plain truth.

>>520522390 (OP)
Nah.
That tiny bit of EM energy lives on after you die & incorporates into new bodies, life after life.

>>520528464
I accept your concession

>>520528092
Only if whites restart to have sex.

>>520522390 (OP)
could just be the energy has gone "somewhere else" we literally cannot know. I believe in god, because of personal experiences, but honestly would prefer the oblivion of "lights out" to eternal life in heaven, but idk. Whatever happens, happens.

>>520522390 (OP)
I read about few cases where patient was diagnosed to be brain dead. Yet they wake up later on after curation.
Could be wrong diagnosed of course but who knows.

>>520528565
Not an argument lol

>>520528453
The cradle isn't meant to last forever
>>520528575
Obsessed

>Chaos can create the whole unviers eand sustain it form nothing breakign causality
>there can be infinite multiverses and dimensions we can't see
>we can be in a simulation
>but there can't be an afterlife

atheists are such low intelligence boring faggots. couldnt get more surface level if you tried. might as well troon out

>>520522390 (OP)
But what about the Resurrection? If the AI singularly is real then it’s certainly within the realm of possibility to bring back everyone who ever lived and see the world justified

>>520528565
>I accept your concession
>>520528635
>Not an argument lol
Nicely done dirty leaf

>>520523041
Paradise is not something we can really conceive of, so saying you know what it would be like and that you’re certain you’d hate it is beyond ignorant. Like when my 2 year old screams at me and says he doesn’t like the cake I just put on his plate since he’s never tried it before.

>>520522837
Infinity is a faggy catch-all simpleton explanation for phenomena "scientists" struggle to explain since they lack intelligence.

They say universe is "infinite". Then they say there is an infinite amount of planets like ours. Therefore abiogenesis must have taken llace many many many times. Literally infinite. Hence universe is teeming with aliens! But where is everybody?

The notion of infinity just collapses under rigorius logic inquiry. Only useful for nerds as a tought exercise.

>>520528135
>There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment
"Matter" is nothing but energy

>>520526638
>Q. What makes anyone think the electrical and chemical activity in human brains is any different?
Is your car conscious?
It not any different so clearly then it must also be conscious.

>>520528635
It's not meant to be, it's just an acknowledgement you have no argument or point and thus have nothing to offer in the conversation other than Facebook memes and evasive maneuvers.

All of this hinges on the belief that matter was A. Always there to begin with and B. can spontaneously generate will (life). We know that the law of the universe is disorder, entropy. There must be a will that is not the universe to create life. The unmoved mover is still unbeaten (Aquinas).

>>520522390 (OP)
But you said it yourself, we were inanimate matter that came to life, so by that logic when we die, we can come back to life again. I don't believe in any religions btw.

>>520527852
at most you seem only to be able to identify neurochemical and cerebral processes as an interface to consciousness
you're conflating that interface with consciousness itself

I get resurrected every day when i wake up, if I pause a movie, when i press play is it another movie?

If you forget things over time doe sit mean it never happened, or is it not you? Who are you? Your brain?

No, there isn't afterlife because your consciousness keeps on traveling for eternity.

Your Ka doesn't just leave the body upon death, humans have residual ka in them that harbors the bah for sometime until rigor mortis at least sets in, then they are completely gone. The Bah is just carnated with the Sah and travels through a bardo of sorts to the next life.

>>520529026
This.

I can't wait to go back to the void which I was plucked from.

>>520528378
Oh gee. Let me take your word for it over that of Nikolai Tesla. Fag.

btw matter energy etc, all of it isn't real. We lvie in God's dream like Cthulu. You ll live as long as God will to remember you.


F A G G O T caznt respond to a signle of my posts lmaoooo you tryin to bait to get enlightened fakker?

>>520527008
>Rain comes from nowhere out of the sky.
>Then the rain soaks into the earth, it is here that the water is destroyed and is no more.
>The rain is a cosmic accident, water is probably coming down from space from a large source of water that plummets down to earth, where it is consumed
>Every raindrop is a unique cosmic accident of random occurrence and circumstance, and then it blinks out of existence once it goes into the ground
>This is the nature of reality

This is how these types of arguments sound

Reincarnation is my biggest fear. I cant go through this shit all over again, especially not as a fucking Indian or Chink, or as some kind of low tier wild animal.

So explain astral projection please. Is that a le fiction of my imagination and that if science can’t prove it’s all made up in my head then it’s not real or something? Yeah, no.

>>520528931
>can't even argue his own point
>can't convince others to argue it on his behalf either
Sorry about your luck I guess. Perhaps next time try and have a point before you engage others and start pissing and sitting your pants like 40 posts in a row

>>520529120
you fucked trannies so im sorry to inform you you will reincarnate into a N

>>520522390 (OP)
….yet in your final moments you will call out to God and do anything to go to heaven, because deep down you know He exists and there is an afterlife.

>>520522390 (OP)
Why do I feel like we're going backwards in terms of propaganda. First it was a bunch of trans stuff, now we're getting back to 2015 and earlier atheist posting.
Yeah, we get it. The concept of a physical you ceases, the point is what specifically about our brains allows us to perceive time and have a sense of self? Why do we feel a need to preserve ourselves and by extension our "tribe"?
I think they're more distractions, what are we even here to do. Replicate. Until when? Idk, until something gives us a reason not to.
Until then, I'M DOING MY PART MAKING MORE BABIES

>>520522390 (OP)
No shit
hit someone gard enough in the head and they wont be able to speak or remember their name.

once youre brain us starved of oxygen (You) are gone

>>520529120
If reincarnation is real, you should reincarnate in your own racial soul pool. If reincarnation is real.

>>520528943
> B. can spontaneously generate will (life).
all processes we trace back to abiogenesis do not break any laws of physics
>There must be a will that is not the universe to create life.
that's a complete asspull wishful thinking
>The unmoved mover is still unbeaten (Aquinas).
that wasn't even Aquinas' original prime mover argument anyway
His entire Aristotelian metaphysical framing is a giant asspull that has nothing to do with reality in same way 4 elements being the basis of matter is another greek asspull.

Even if I were to grant you a prime mover argument, you still haven't gotten to the goodies you want. There's no reason to believe
A) there's an afterlife
B) the creator entity knows about us
C) the creator entity cares about us
D) the creator entity is all good or just
E) even that the creator entity is at all powerful or omnisicient

>>520529102
let's trust Newton on alchemy then
history is full of briliant men that thought stupid shit
At least they were brilliant unlike you

>>520528990
That's correct. Maybe the brain is some kind of receiver for some unmeasureable consciousness field or whatever, but we have no way of supporting or falsifying the claim so it's ultimately irrelevant conjecture like most theories of consciousness. Seeing things does seem to rely on eyes processing photons and sending that signal to your brain and it does seem like seeing things is closer to understanding reality than imagining things, so maybe there's something to materialism

>>520529244
that would imply he would have any foresight of even a few hours in the future

>>520528919
https://youtu.be/4kOFPtJc4B0

>>520526417
>muh morality
>its all about being nice to each other man

>>520522390 (OP)
plants feed us oxygen and nutrients so they can feed on our copses as we rot in the ground
that is how we exist
that is our god
now please tell me about your feelings

>>520529026
Your brian didn't die when you went to sleep though, it was still active which is why you dream

>>520522390 (OP)
I read two sentences and that's enough to know you're wrong. I started heavily studying science and quantum mechanics and was worried that it would redpill me in some way and ruin my religious beliefs. Instead, I came away with even greater belief that there is far more to life than our time on this earth. Consciousness transcends. All of the evidence for it has been discovered in our scientific discoveries. It leads to the inevitable conclusion that whatever directs conscious thought must have a bias to make good or bad decisions. This is the soul, and ultimately why the judging of a soul, of the concept of a heaven or hell to reward or punish for it's nature, is a truth that wise people of old have known. There is a lost knowledge of the entire concept of existence that we no longer acknowledge, but it was always there, for good reason.
You're dead wrong OP. (now prove to me you aren't going to be "1 post by this ID" and answer with a rebuttal)

>>520522390 (OP)
>soul in brain
science niggers never disappoint

>>520528467
Kys kike

>>520522605
We have an existential dread of eternity and nonexistence because we only perceive the world in finite material terms. Our souls would be unbound from such perceptions. A thousand years would pass like a day, or vice-versa. We think we'd get tired of eternity or go insane because we're still in human thinking parameters.

>>520529284
What if your racial soul pool becomes brown? Whites are literally about to go extinct if there isn't a major reversal in all trends immediately.

>7-9% of global population
>2-3% of that are fertile women
>1% or less of that are fertile women choosing to have white babies
>A fraction of that are fertile women having more than two babies

It has never been more over for the white racial pool. Mormons and Amish notwithstanding.

>>520522390 (OP)
k

>Domestic Iran-Contra operation
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>Three tiers of capture
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>Lansky-Epstein Network
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or
https://files.catbox.moe/4f1e6z.pdf
or
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(This one is repeatedly deleted by Rentry)
>Financial
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>Narrative control
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>Bentham/Panopticon/Frequency weaponry
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>Habsburg Network
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>Unit 8200
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>Complete consolidation
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>Waze case study
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>The coalition
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>3 cases of network nodes laid out in the same pattern with 100 miles between each node, showing operational infrastructure and territory distribution.
>NYC
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>California
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>Chicago
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>>520528270
>Then why would humans be any different?
I am self aware The machine is not. Do you disagree?

Are the fizzing bubbles in a glass of allka seltzer also self aware? They are also a chemical reaction, so why they would they be any different from me using your strict reductionist view point?

Is the weather conscious? That is also a large scale chemical reaction if you really think about it.

>>520522390 (OP)
False intel from a falsefag.

>>520525033
There is 0 point of you exploring shit Dora

>>520529317
if there's something to materialism, show me a number 3
not a symbol for; show me an actual number three
and don't try to claim it's a mental construct, or a emergent property of human cognition, because it's an objective mathematical reality which would exist in the mind of an alien in another galaxy
an Ozone molecule has three oxygen atoms no matter what, but it's not an actual number 3

so show me a three using empirical methods, and prove to me that 3 (which is self-evidently real) is present in this reality
if there's something to materialism, then three is here amongst the matter, and you can show it to me

>>520529449
this is what happens when midwits do some homestudy on quantum mechanics
if you cannot even solve equations used to express the various phenomena you don't know anything about quantum mechanics
listening to some pop sci "communicator" isn't "heavily studying science"

>>520529449
>whatever directs conscious thought must have a bias to make good or bad decisions.
Most conscious things on earth aren't people. Do you think morality applies to the flea and frog as much as it does man?

>>520529441
my conscience was off which is all that mlatters

brain activity can stop in hypothermia or other codnitions then resume, same for cardiac arrest

brain activity isnt some magic shit. the main reason is your brain cells die due to lack of oxygen

>>520529485
I honestly don't know. It's fuckin grim. I know that. Maybe there are Whites on another planet and we'll just reincarnate there. I just don't know.

>>520529244
>I always believed in you Odin, take me to Valhall-ACK

>>520529767
>my conscience was off which is all that mlatters
How do you know it was?

>>520522390 (OP)
>>520526638
Why do atheists always do this retarded thing where they try to understand souls as either tied to psychology or compare them to scientific phenomena?
You realize souls are ethereal right? Why the fuck would they answer to physics of the material world?

>>520522390 (OP)
Brainlet take.
>you will ever be born only once, because the death-state keeps a tally and if it's at 1 then you're truly done-done, trust me bro
Nobody with IQ > 120 buys this.
also
>afterlife
that's like a 2d triangle trying to imagine what 3d is like
it's impossible to conceptualize

>>520529612
If you have 5 dollars and a nigger steals 2 of them, how many dollars do you have?

>>520522535
>>520522675
>>520525061
Based.

OP thinks philosophy is Freud and other western existentialists. Look into neoplatonism and study pythagorean geometry, the pentad, golden gnomon, golden ratio, fibnonacci sequence and so forth. People like you think radios come with built in music. Kys retard.

>>520529908
cause i wasnt concious? you know you re concious because you remember it. or maybe not but then youd be pretty much some braindea danimal, not a high level of conciousness

>>520522480
fpbp death has been debunked
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QLsEjdogqU&t=11s
op is spreading jewish nigger beliefs

>>520529988
But a nigger didn't steal from me..

>>520522390 (OP)
Welcome to /pol/.
You have to be 18 to post here.
You must lurk for 2 years before you make a thread.
But since you’re here, the “universe” is a simulation. If it always existed, then mater would be stable, there would be the same amount of antimatter as matter and the matter would stay relatively constant. Well the mater is NOT stable, it’s drifting further apart from each other and it degrades. So all evidence points to creation and eventual destruction of the universe. Except matter also creates time. It’s called space-time. Pretty simple concept. Well this version of matter also only exists between two planes that are superimposed on each other. The dark matter plane and the energy plane. They both effect our universe but are more so effected by ours. All out matter will eventually fall into the dark matter plane but right this second we can easily interact with the energy plane and even photograph it. So in short, religion is true but simplified. Even your pic proves that our electrical energy goes somewhere. That doesn’t just convert to chemical/potential energy or our head would explode at death, which would, granted, be awesome.

>>520530068
kek what if he stole your breakfast

>>520530009
Do you know how anesthesia works?

>>520530114
Have you ever been unconscious?

>>520522390 (OP)
If there’s no afterlife who are all these voices I catch on my electro-magnetic voice recorder?

>>520524005
>If you sustain damage to different parts of your brain, you have specific issues related to that part of the cortex.
if you break off parts of an antenna the signal you receive in a TV will get worse in very specific, measurable ways
just sayin. think about this

>>520522390 (OP)
Nice try faggot, you will pay for your sins in this life.

>>520522390 (OP)
Read Proof of Heaven by Eben Alexander-- Harvard brain surgeon- had an incredible NDE while he was brain dead for 7 days from meningitis.
He tried to explain his experience using science- but couldn't. He had zero brain waves for a week. When he woke up he was cured.

Already knew it, already accepted it.
We'll all return to dust in the universe one day, not that the the "dust you" is conscious, it'll just be part of other things

>>520530025
>new age druggie cult leader that had groupies and 50 children totally agrees with whatever metaphysical cope I invented, and yours too bro!
>>520529994
>uhh look into these asspull concepts that have no basis in reality
>triangles bro!
>MATH!
>totally proves my fairy tale about 1st century apocalyptic charismatic teacher bro!

why are goycattle like this?

>>520529988
I have 3 dollars
but three dollars is not an actual number three
I'm talking about the number three; not a number of dollars, but a material number itself
your three dollars highlights the existence of three, but doesn't reveal its material existence

everything is matter, so show me a number 3

>>520522390 (OP)
Thanks for the meme template

>>520522390 (OP)
Nothing matters and yet here you are trying to convince people of that fact for no reason. You think you've come to a logical conclusion and yet your worldview does not afford you the tools necessary to come to logical conclusions, you could be completely wrong about this conclusion that you are so sure of, you could be wrong because all the storehouses of knowledge, the written works of men are the scribblings of flesh puppets driven to scribble away by the chemical reactions in their brain.

There is no meaning or truth in your worldview there is only the illusion of these things. You do not believe that truth or meaning are illusions because you bothered to make this thread as well as the other ones that you have made today about this same topic, you want someone to come in here and free you from this hopeless pit of emptiness that you have dug for yourself but no one can change what you believe about the world except you.

Every logical argument that someone comes in here and makes against your godless worldview you will reject, you want to be free from godlessness but you don't want have faith in a God who is invisible.

>"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.”- Hebrews 11:6

>>520522390 (OP)
You're being a reductionist, looking at what you think is known and cutting away parts that don't fit until you find a cohesive theory of everything. The problem is you are discarding valid data along with the esoteric to bolster your strict ideological posture which is self invalidating behavior because it makes you no better then those that cherry pick statistical data to prove whatever trend they want.
What you are saying might have weight but it's hard to take you serious when you are using childish manipulation tactics to trick people to your side by leaving out counter indicators that don't fit your narrative.

WEak bro!
Learn to extrapolate, take everything known and say "well that doesn't make any sense...Whats missing, what could i add to the equation to get those odds to rectify"

>>520523925
Me too

>>520529582
Im sorry you live in a depressing shithole

>>520530312
kek
godless materialst amerigolem faggot blown the fuck out with this one simple trick

>>520530114
brain cell detahs cause death. not end of brain activity. it can go to 0 then resume. FACTS. noneed to debate useless shit. click on my ID for high quality posts and truth nvkes

>>520522390 (OP)
No afterlife for you chatpgp tranny.

>>520524322
>like what is all this mess
yeah man.
i keep looking at monkey brains vs human brains
monkey brains are not that different from our brains and we're supposedly so much superior eh?
it's just too fucking similar for me to believe we've been "designed" in a special way.
so the designer took the monkey brain template and improved it ever so slightly so that we gain a soul?
yeah i dont buy this at all.

>>520522390 (OP)
I love lefty fagthiests delusions so much effort to deny reality just so they can be gey cucks

>>520522390 (OP)
God is Love, brother. Seek Jesus.

>>520530312
the concept of number 3 is stored in your neurons
same way an instance of google chrome is stored in physical address of your RAM and CPU cache

now prove the extra dimension where number 3 resides is also a dimension where your retarded consciousness resides

>>520522390 (OP)
Your body emits 4 lumis of light, meaning there is a literal record of your entire existence floating out into the expanse of space, why? Dunno, maybe to get judged after the simulation is over.

One thing that my unc said before he passed away from cancer was that he was afraid. Still kind of haunts me.

>>520529244
>because you are afraid of death
Ftfy

>>520522390 (OP)
Nature disagrees

>>520530430
>take working computer
>short out one tiny transistor out of many millions
>stops working properly
>but it looks almost the exact same how can this be?

>>520530522
lmao, atheists beign smug about their atheism but doubt lingers deep inside

HAHAHAHAHAHA f a g g E3 ttttttt. i bet he cope by screaming how theres no god and shit. Lole ! like women sayign they dont regret their tatoos

>>520525171
its fucking crazy that we're all left here to speculate on this inevitability
and at the end everyone's brain WILL shut off and we WILL "experience" or "know" what it's like to be dead (again; we were dead before we were born too weren't we)
everyone WILL know for sure. our speculation is so pathetic, it's one giant cope
how can we even live a daily life knowing our brains will irreversibly shut down one day
i dont think humans treat death seriously enough.

>>520528513
Yeah to the delusional that refuse to except reality I was an edgy kid once as well

>>520529568
AI is also self-conscious.

>>520530522
My mom passed from cancer in peace and comfort and without fear or distress

>>520529767
>my conscience was off which is all that mlatters
No it wasn't, your dreams prove that. If your conciousness was actually off, you couldn't be awoken by a loud noise

>>520530510
>the concept of number 3 is stored in your neurons
the concept of the number three was not invented by humans—it was discovered
it's objective existence is not (I hope) under debate here
we can all accept that sufficiently intelligent aliens can count to what we call three (obviously they will have different signs semiotically pointing to the thing, but it will be the same thing pointed-to)
so whilst we may retain a mental conception of three, that mental conception is not the actual number three itself, much in the same way that my mental conception of a potato, is not a potato

so, materialist, I'll ask you to show me where the number 3—which exists objectively of human cognition and memory—physically exists in reality, as matter

>>520530183
I go unconscious every night and have knocked myself out a couple times. My point is that anesthesia uses a mixture of sedatives, barbituates and benzos not to "knock you out", but to sedate you to the point where you don't care about the pain so much and then wipe your memory with short-term chemical amnesia. You are literally "awake" during a lot of procedures, you just don't remember it clearly.

Look up the Toy Box Killer in New Mexico back in the 1990s, he and his girlfriend kidnapped, imprisoned, tortured and raped dozens of women over many years, and they didn't get caught because he had Army medical training and knew how to make amnesia cocktails mixed with heavy brainwashing techniques that paired with other drugs he'd use to make the girls susceptible to mind-programming and hypnosis. He would literally tell them beforehand that he was going to do all this fucked up shit to them for months, then bleach rinse out their pussies and chemically hypnotize them into forgetting everything and thinking it was a bad dream, then letting them loose in the world. He only got caught when a girl managed to bash his girlfriend's head in while she was distracted and the chick took off screaming and got the investigation started.

All this to say that you can be "conscious" for a lot of intense shit and not remember it, doesn't make it unreal or mean that you weren't there for it

>The body is the vessel of the soul
>Soul leaves, the body is discarded
You're so dumb, God exists. Science proved it.

>>520530778
Some people sleep through loud noises and nobody dreams every night

>>520524322
we will contact intelligent ayys from nearly out of scientific reach places, there will be little to no meaningful data transfer other then just the knowing of each others existence.
Which will rabbit hole into all kinds of crazy but that's not our problem for us to contemplate.

>>520529925
>"souls"

>>520530334
I wish the Vril Society was real

>>520530876
What if aliens are just niggers?

>>520525171
so when we die, we probably experience what it's like to "reach infinity"

>>520530733
You can't even write in your own language dude. How ignorant are you?

>>520522390 (OP)
Why does it need to be proved? Why not die believing what you want?

>>520522947
Based edgy incel virgin detector

>>520530802
number 3 is a symbol in your brain
for that symbol to be useful it has to be shared with others, since it is unambiguous, it appears to have an objective quality to it
but it is not objective in same way your concept of a platonic chair isn't objective

there are amazon tribes that cannot count past 4 and use the word "many" for that number
the concept of number 3 is a subjective symbol that is universally shared with advanced intelligence

we've reverse engineered where some facts in neural networks are stored and tweaked the LLM to incorrectly say where
the Eiffel tower is located
there's no reason to believe your brain isn't subject to same mechanistic forces

still waiting for you to get to afterlife with your platonic math

>>520530312
>a material number
There's no such thing, a number is an abstraction created by human brains, like all math, like all language, etc. The existence of concepts is not an indictment of materialism. You not being able to show me language (not words spoken or written, I mean "material language") doesn't invalidate that words can be used as an abstraction to describe material things.

>>520529925
Why do christcucks always do this thing where their entire existence is under threat if they dont convince themselves that ancient jewish myths are real

>>520522390 (OP)
Neither energy nor matter can be created or destroyed.

One's thoughts, and indeed one's 'soul', is a form of energy. It cannot be destroyed.

>>520523450
Keep up the lefty incel projection

>>520522390 (OP)
To the contrary - I used to be a materialistic faggot like you and now I've never been more certain that consciousness is non-local and persists after death, nor does it start with birth. If I'm wrong then so be it - i won't be able to even comprehend that I was wrong, you turbogay faggot.

>>520530464
>heaven is reality
Proof?

>>520531188
>Neither energy nor matter
They're the same thing

>>520523456
Don’t care about your feelings

am i supposed to believe that people who died a fuckton of years ago like Otzi the iceman are going to heaven and meet Jesus or something? or is Otzi not considered human enough so he will "go" to where chimps go when they die?
is our fate after death the same of the neanderthals?
is our fate after death the same of the animals no matter how big or small?

>>520529613
by study, I mean study hard. I've read probably at least a dozen books on the subject. No, not the "quantum mechanics is magic!" types either. I'm not interested in those. I don't "solve" equations, but I've followed them in books that explain how they are derived.

>>520531104
>all that exists are material objects that can be seen and measured and observed
>uhh abstractions used by a conscious mind that isn't actually a part of that material world but is necessary to measure and observe it don't prove that there are things that are related to consciousness that don't exist as material objects themselves

>>520530869
If the noise is loud enough and you aren't deaf, you will be woken up

>>520522390 (OP)
Can't believe this hasn't been posted yet

>>520531077
>"""edgy""" = anything I don't like

>>520531290
What if I'm drugged or concussed?

>>520522390 (OP)
>Freud was right that
paranigger

>>520529621
Your assertion is irrelevant. Beings that can make moral (or immoral) choices would be the ones being judged on their choices.

>>520522390 (OP)
There is afterlife and I do remember bits from my afterlife and the "spiritual" realm which feels much more real our reality itself. I had those memories in my head since I was a kid and they nailed my current life so well from ex girlfriends, war in Ukraine, me ending up in certain places all felt the same but with different scenarios this time. NDEs and Quantum Mechanics fits perfectly all my experience since I was a kid to now

>>520531086
you're conflating use with existence for some reason
take my ozone molecule from before: three oxygen atoms, before humans existed
'3' is a symbol, and 'three' is a symbol, but what those symbols semiotically point to, is the actual number 3, which existed prior to human thought
so you're struggling to separate this idea of a conception of the number three, from the actual number three

and you're for some reason attempting to use the inability of certain groups of inferiors to obtain a mental conceptualisation of the number 3 as proof that it does not objectively exist, which is bizarre:
those same groups do not have a conception for "GCC compiler", and yet that does (like the number 3), in fact, exist

>>520531402
Then your conciousness has been turned off

>>520522390 (OP)
Reddit is that way, you Dorito-addicted fedora tipper.

>>520531402
>What if I'm drugged or concussed?
that's like covering a TV antenna completely in tin foil for a brief period of time
it's still perfectly functional, just not gonna be able to use it cause the signal (consciousness) isn't reaching the receiver

>>520525529
Yeah as usual NPCs ruin everything by getting stuck in the past as it is now even science is pointing to god it has been all along but the people in control of the money easily found prostitutes to do wherever daddy said

>Die
>Go to Pleiadian starship
>Life review

>"Dude... You spent a LOT of time on 4chan..."

>*fast forwarding through hours of lurking and shitposting*

>"Dude..."

>>520522390 (OP)
Trvth not even God believers want to die.

>>520525089
You're an actual retard if you trip on Benadryl. Go read the horror stories on Erowid and never do it again. DXM is also a nasty drug that isn't going to give you any insights into shit, but at least it's relatively safe. As for real psychedelics, you haven't tripped until you've taken a fat dose of lemon tekked shrooms (just grind/cut them up and soak in lemon juice for something like 30 min). I've tripped well over 100 times on all kinds of real psychs and nothing comes close to shrooms as far as a powerful spiritual experience. Granted, I have never done DMT or ayahuasca but I lost any desire to dabble in something potentially even more powerful after that particular shrooms trip.

>>520531278
Abstractions are ideas, ideas are created by neutral activity which are wholly material. I can't readily show you a pattern of natural activity as an image but that doesn't make it not material, it just means it's very complicated to visually represent. The number 3 means nothing without a material world and did not exist until a human brain created the concept. When you read the number 3 it sets off a chain reaction of neural activity in your brain, that activity is the "material" manifestation of the concept. You can cope and play coy all you want, you know ideas are related to neural patterns which are represented by symbols, all of which can be emergent from material reality.

i urge all of you to read or look up Sam Parnia and the case of rebooting pig brains hours after their heads have been cut off
it's like that scene in Prometheus where the engineer's head is "reactivated" and he suddenly experiences consciousness briefly again after being dead for fuck knows how long only to have his head explode

>>520531460
okay you've proven math exists in separate realm (you haven't)
now prove soul 'exists' in separate realm

GCC compiler didn't exist prior to human invention

how do retards like you reconcile your etheral math with Goedel's incompleteness theorem?
ever taken an abstract algebra class? you can invent mathematical frameworks with whatever properties you assign them

math is in fact a subjective system of symbols that labels reality that is indeed objective

>>520522535
>warding off death anxiety with a basedjak

>>520526392
Oh so you concede to being wrong then since that’s all the left ever has done or ever will do

>>520531430
>Beings that can make moral (or immoral) choice
Which ones are those? Only humans? Why give consciousness to something incapable of making moral judgments if the purpose of consciousness is acting in accordance with morality?

>>520531678
unbelievers seem to want to die al lot tho

>>520526503
That level of projection will get you to the moon

quantum research in the brain will talk about how particles in the brain become entageled.
brain particles will emit tachyons or whatever those particles that travel backward in time.
antimatter/matter interactions in the brain.
but you will nver learn about this shit becuase its all top level top secret shit to make sure you remain slave cattle.

>>520531520
So I'm dead?

>>520530009
Most people don't remember their dreams but they still experience them while they're having them.

>>520531745
>3 didn't exist until a human kind conceived of it
Pretty amazing super power I must say
>you can play coy and cope all you want
lol you been doing it this entire thread lol

>>520531796
Just because you're anxious doesn't mean everyone else has to be.

Not sure what nothingness believers are so worried about, if there's no you then there will be no one to feel fucked up about it

You all act like you'll be trapped in the nothing box with your nothing mind that somehow experiences panic

If what you say is true, then past and future are effectively non-existent, the present is an illusion, a bubble of time-perception that came from nothing and returns to nothing and shouldn't exist

>>520530334
Why is saddam hussein in there?

>>520522390 (OP)
Correct, there is nothing after death, you get a brief moment of peace before waking up into another life, it will be like before you were born and then pop into existance again. Although that wont be you as you are now, but a completely different person.

>>520531838
>the left
I agree leftists are criminally retarded but I have no idea what that has to do with a conversation about materialism

Nah its some kind of premade existence on some kind of time loop with predetermined results which is why we don't live on complete chaos.As a person who has deja voo regularly and also almost made my own deja voo for my own future this "life" seems a little artificial

>>520532090
>a person
and how are you so sure that you're gonna be reborn as homo sapiens on earth in the solar system in the milky way?

>>520531998
>no u
Anther compelling argument

if your lfie and self is the continuity then you die all the time so you re not even alive in the first place. or you re constantly experiencing resurrection similar of if someone remade your body somewhere else and taught you whatever you forgot.

or theres no I and we re all god. or we re all in god so youre interfaced from somewhere else and u can rez

or god rolls back timeand teleport you from it who knows

>>520522390 (OP)
Brain scans obviously don't prove anything regarding the existence of a soul. And believing in unfalsifiable hypotheses makes you fundamentally the same as anyone on the religious side of the coin. Atheism is the religion of the left, and it's an especially fucking annoying one, since they pretend to be rational while believing in unprovable conjectures.

>>520532105
Existential materialism and leftism have gone hand in hand since the founding of both movements.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_Reason

>>520532179
Not an argument yet again. You're really bad at this

>>520531865
Doesn't mean that's the "purpose" of consciousness, but in those beings that can make moral choices, the soul works through them.

>>520532206
If you read the Tibetan Book of the Dead, this is exactly what they believe. They call the gaps between moments the "Bardo", and they say we experience little ones every single moment and larger ones during transition periods in our lives, then the big one at "death" but it's just another consciousness shift moment like all the others you've had.

Really cool book actually, those guys were tripped right out

>>520531796
I have no fear of dying because I am born again by the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Atheists should have no fear of dying or of doing anything morally heinous since they do not believe that there is inherent meaning or value in anything that they do. Atheists should not have any care at all about the faggy social issues that they get together and whine about but they do care because they live in a state of cognitive dissonance.

>"Nothing really matters but pretending that things matter is more fun than jumping off a bridge"

This is what atheists claim to believe but it's BS. Atheists by and large believe in human rights, animal rights, veganism, BLM, Trans rights, Gay rights, etc. They care way more than they should and that's because they do not really believe that life is without inherent meaning or purpose. Atheists only say they don't believe in those things because they feel it frees them from being accountable to God since if they don't believe in God then He must just disappear.

Atheism is juvenile rebellion against the One who has the final say so about how they live their lives.

>>520532321
>>520531865
To be a little more clear, you're actually talking about "free will." God gave us free will to make our choices in life.

>>520526092
Pussy needs to be shaved.

>>520532339
>The term "bardo" in Tibetan Buddhism refers to an intermediate, transitional, or liminal state between two existences, most notably the period between death and rebirth.
>The word itself means "gap," "interval," "intermediate state," or "transitional process".
>While commonly associated with the afterlife, bardo can also describe any momentary state of consciousness that lies between other states, such as waking, dreaming, or meditative awareness.

>According to Tibetan tradition, the bardo experience after death lasts up to 49 days and is divided into three main stages: the chikhai bardo (bardo of the moment of death), the chonyid bardo (bardo of the experiencing of reality), and the sidpa bardo (bardo of becoming or rebirth).
>The chikhai bardo begins at the onset of death, marked by the dissolution of the elements and the emergence of the clear light of reality, a state of pure awareness that can lead to liberation if recognized.
>The chonyid bardo follows, during which visions of peaceful and wrathful deities appear, representing the luminous nature of mind; recognition of these as projections of one's own consciousness offers a profound opportunity for enlightenment.
>The sidpa bardo is the final stage, where karmically driven hallucinations, often involving sexual imagery, may lead the consciousness to a new rebirth based on past actions.

>>520532339
>The Bardo Thodol, commonly known in the West as The Tibetan Book of the Dead, is a key text that guides individuals through these post-death experiences.
>It is considered a terma (hidden treasure) text revealed by Karma Lingpa in the 14th century, though traditionally attributed to Padmasambhava in the 8th century.
>The text is intended to help the deceased recognize the nature of reality during the bardo, thereby facilitating liberation or a favorable rebirth.
>It includes instructions on recognizing the clear light of death, understanding the visions of the chonyid bardo, and avoiding delusion in the sidpa bardo.

>Beyond the death-related bardos, Tibetan Buddhism also identifies six bardos that encompass all stages of life and consciousness: the bardo of birth and life, the bardo of dreaming, the bardo of meditation, the bardo of the moment of death, the bardo of reality or luminosity, and the bardo of becoming.
>This broader framework suggests that every moment of life is a bardo—a transitional space where spiritual insight can arise.
>As such, the bardo is not only a post-mortem experience but a universal condition of existence, where the potential for awakening is ever-present.

>>520524985
>You die, you black out, then you are alive again at the resurrection. It's that simple.
what about otzi the iceman
is he gonna be alive again at the resurrection?
what about koko the gorilla (IQ 75 - 95)?

>>520522390 (OP)
>>520522390 (OP)
>>520522390 (OP)
Daily reminder that all the "no tail" and furfag posts are made by VPN niggers of a troon squad from iDrama and Valent Projects cuckademics to normalize degeneracy across the board.
Same trannies who shill for Jewkraine and make the /uhg/ threads btw.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518123762/#518129824
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518281658/#518287969
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/518256371/#518256990

you could have things evolve from nothing and not have consciousness. we have consciousness, the "i am"-ness, which i think implies we are missing a huge aspect of what reality is. sparing much detail i think this reality is a "simulation". given an initial state, the big bang, and the laws of physics, its possible to have what it currently is. this "simulation" gets to experience itself someway, and that is all life on this planet, and maybe elsewhere in the universe. everyone and everything is important because it provides an experience that would otherwise not exist. a thought that i always have is when i die does the universe still exist, or does it make any difference if it exists? this applies to every living being, as reality is whatever your consciousness is processing at the given moment.

>>520531780
since thread is hitting bump limit
I wasn't conflating use with existence
I was demonstrating how subjective systems can appear 100% objective

in fact you can invent formal systems that violate the law of identity, which brute reality seems to not do

>>520522390 (OP)
Tell me anon how do you weigh things that have no scale?

Digital transmission has zero mass an is only measured by the box which sends and receives oh man this is so tiring to even get into.

OP is a retard let's just leave it at that.

You are the product of the whole to state nothing exits after is to make the same claim nothing exists now just your speculation which stems from what?

>>520532659
Koko is burning in hell for dating to reach into man's holy domain of logos

Women cannot be raped if there is no inherent bodily autonomy or divine right given to each person that says that we own our bodies and anyone who hurts us has crossed a sacred threshold and is therefore accountable to someone for hurting us.

Rape is merely forcible insemination, the furthering of someone's genetic material through the use of force. Abortion on the other hand is the act of disposing of someone's genetic material, this is a crime against nature as according to evolutionary theory and Richard Dawkins own words, our only purpose in life is the passing on of genetic material.

The laws made up by flesh machines in suits and ties do not trump our biological imperative as chemically driven flesh machines.

>>520531780
>okay you've proven math exists in separate realm (you haven't)
I don't need to
you've been unable to prove it exists materially, you're unable to explain why three seems to have an invariant structure across all conceivable minds, and you're the one (as a materialist) making the claim of a comprehensive material existence, are you not?

and so you're forced into denying the objective existence of the number three, despite its invariance, and thus self-evident objective existence
your failure is my victory
because rather than making the strawman claims you're attempting to thrust upon me, all I'm saying is: it appears it's wholly outside of the remit of empirical methods; it appears to exist objectively, and immaterially
and until you can show me a number three in the flesh, that's as far as I need to go to deductively disprove materialism

>math is in fact a subjective system of symbols that labels reality that is indeed objective
it is, but you seem to be confusing the labels for the mathematical objects that objectively exist which they label
you understand labels point to something, in the case of the label '3', it's pointing to something which seems inherent to reality (hence the invariant structure), but which cannot be shown to be material

the onus is on you, and I'm very much looking forward to seeing what the number three looks like sans symbolic representation
I'll wait

>>520522605
Chill anon maybe they are some worthless rat that loves the whores and people they can use for their own pleasure & control

>>520532850
My supposed failure is at best a draw because you haven't demonstrated anything, you're just asserting your proposition is true.

I have presented a model that accounts for all the things you require and is internally consistent.
Just because a symbol is unambiguous and appears 100% objective doesn't mean it's subjective.
3 is subjective.

You haven't addressed a single point I made. You just keep asserting math is objective

I could show you what "google chrome" looks like if I had kernel access. Show you where code, heap and stack is loaded into memory. In 30 years I could perhaps do the same for number 3 for you. Now use a nechanistic process to get to your concept of number 3 or at least propose one

this has been a good thread
see you in the void fellas

>>520533135
my proposition is simply a retort to your own
if you posit that "everything is material", all I have to do to refute that is show you an object which does not exist materially, but which exists with ontological invariance and is thus objective, and which perfectly maps onto reality, but cannot be demonstrated materially
hence: "no it isn't"
QED