Thread 520592608

GPUs have a lifespan of 3-5 years. The fact that it's physically impossible for big tech companies to turn a profit on their trillion dollar AI GPU investment before the hardware burns out is going to cause a financial crisis. It doesn't matter what AI's future capabilities are going to be: it's impossible for these companies to recoup their investment on the GPUs ***they have already bought*** before they burn out. Hopper GPUs have 2-3 years left, and Blackwell GPUs have 3-4 years. Tons of financial institutions are all-in on AI, and they are going to have their entire investment depreciate to zero. The massive amount of money that has been poured into AI hardware is going to evaporate into nothing as these GPUs reach the end of their lifespan, and it's going to break the entire US economy worse than the housing bubble in 2008.

GPU lifespan is workload-dependent, and the harder you use the GPUs, the faster they burn out. These companies are running their GPUs full-throttle 24/7 under heavy to load to train and serve their AI models, and they're going to start burning out soon. The same thing happened with cryptominers burning through their GPUs.

My 3060 3GB SC is still going.

>>520592608 (OP)
>GPUs have a lifespan of 3-5 years
bullshit. i'm using a GPU right now that I bought in 2012.

>>520592608 (OP)

Even if that wasn't the case how often do you have to replace hardware to remain competitive? Give it up, no one is going to pay for your furry art anymore

>>520592608 (OP)

the "AI bubble" is just cover for them stealing massive amounts of money - they aren't really this dumb

>>520592761
It depends on how hard you use the GPU. If you're running it as fast it will go mining crypto or training AI models nonstop, then it will burn out. OP is right. There have been tons of relaitvely new burnt out GPUs on ebay from crypto miners.

>>520592608 (OP)

And how often are you going to need to go out and buy upgraded hardware to remain competitive anyway?

ZOMG WE'LL HAVE TO REPALCE OUR SHIT EVERY 3-5 YEARS

So what we were already doing anyways? Give it up, no one is going to pay for your furry art.

Who does thos affect besides some basement dwelling gamer that demands 120 fps?

it is not about the money but the company which reaches AGI will control the world

>>520592998

another kike scam, now they want to unload a $1T turd of an IPO. How can anybody get on this gravy train? How many countries with a GDP equal to that? 20?

I keep wanting to believe...but then reality keeps obtruding it's ugly face into the scene...

>>520592702
I remember when prices spiked for mining and nobody could reasonably afford gaming unless they purchased a 6 month old worn out mining GPU for full retail. keks were had at those who bought.

>>520592608 (OP)
still on my ati rage 3d

>>520592834
Yes, but you've been going easy on it with all the RPGmaker h-games. Datacenter work is a 24/7 heavy load.

>>520592608 (OP)
Not only this, but they're borrowing from creditors using these GPUs as collateral. When the bubble pops, all those loans go tits up, and not only will the tech industry go but so will the financial industry.

We're at the edge of the abyss here.

it's over

>>520592608 (OP)
>singularity

>>520592608 (OP)
so what does that means for gpu?
Will we see unironically a shortage in gpus?

>>520594290
lets goooooooooooooooooo
I did good to open my beer today then
TO TOTAL ECONOMIC COLLAPSE
Cheers!

>>520593016
Can you explain to me the process of a GPU "burning out"?

I also wanted to add larry fink's plane will soon crash because of the dei hire and he will burn alive and alone and unironically nobody will even care

>>520592702
>These companies are running their GPUs full-throttle 24/7
It's amazing to watch them go into generational levels of debt just so I can make images of big tiddy gothic cat girls.

>>520592608 (OP)
All I heard wa$
>They're going to be paying YOU to take their GPUs
Cope and seethe AIjews. Too bad the camps didn't run as well as my 1080 ti yahoooo

It's sad watching /pol/ pretend they're /g/.

>>520592608 (OP)
All this crypto and then AI training has made me stop switching cards and investing in this. I don't believe it even if I had to buy a new card, which is probably not new at all.
It actually turned out to be a good thing for me because I disconnected from all this digital crap in my life.

>>520596994
>(((them)))
>go into debt

Anon, I have some bad news...

I get what your saying but what if there is a news article like
>New chatgpt can integrate into your smart appliances
>'Your smartfridge can now do your maths homework!'
>Stock goes up 25%

The whole global market is just waiting with their bags, all ready to load into ai companies. It doesn't matter if it's all bullshit, the market sentiment is that this is the future. Another 50% climb over 2-3 years will easily keep their hardware covered. Ai is the only growth story we have and don't underestimate how long they can play it out. They've made crypto last ten years ffs and crypto is fucking useless.

>graphics processing units
Why do that always default to GPU's, not CPU's, for processing the likes of crypto mining and A. I.? Is it simply a matter of how many simple calculations the processors can handle, as distinct from more complex instructions which a CPU may be required for...?

>t. retard

>>520592608 (OP)
>3-5 years

I have a GTX 280 in storage that still works. That's almost 20 years old.

>>520596894
if a gpu is on full load for months it will eventually succumb to heat damage

>>520592702
NO GOY DONT USE 60FPS MONITORS WITH VSYNC
YOU GPU MUST BE ON 99.9% USAGE WHEN YOU RUN TERRARIA

>>520597314
Because of parallel computing or some nerd shit. You see, a CPU will have 4-8 guys pushing rocks, which is optimal for some tasks. A GPU is like an army of 2 thousand midgets rolling smaller rocks, which is better for other things for some reason.

>>520592702
yup. wasn't it the guy from chatgpt who announced like a week into releasing chatgpt on the internet that their GPUs were melting? kek

>>520597314
Its the type of processor core. Ai uses tensor cores, as opposed to the cuda cores in a normal gpu.
Simply put, it needs to be the correct hardware. But new pc processors are being built with ai cores, so things may change in the future.

>>520593506
don't even remind me of this, my 8gb XFX that cost me not even 200 bucks was being sold 1 year later for 400 bucks second hand.

>>520592608 (OP)
RETARD, gpu are only used right now because it's most optimal tech for the job, however, AI specific chips have been developed for the last few years and soon AI will run on APU which uses less power and more specialized

>>520597787
Won't that make their current GPUs depreciate even more?

>>520597787
> soon AI will run on APU which uses less power
An operation will still consume the same amount of power

>>520592608 (OP)
1) They're not running their GPU like you plebs. Probably stable at 30-40ºC.
2) They're not paying your pleb prices for these GPUs. Probably at 60% discount due to scale.
3) Latest gen GPUs dont have 3-5 yr lifespan. They will be used for a decade at least.
4) New cards will be added as they come out and the old GPUs die. This can be done with new investor money.
5) The ponzi never ends. Investors with billions are not as clueless as you think, thats why they're rich

>>520597909
Oh no, you said the taboo. Quick, make every new game require ray tracing and 24gb of ram.

>>520593016
I had mine mining eth for 1 year straight 24/7 and it's still working good so far, I have it since 2019, when I was about to buy more the GPU prices skyrocket so hard and right after eth stopped being POW , thank God I did not buy more gpu's

>>520598042
>i didn’t read what you said or think critically about it at all

They have huge depreciable expenses and no path to recouping the billions they’ve spent other than through AI slop

>>520597105
Not like /g/ is a great source of wisdom either

>>520597577
>>520597723
Thank you for equipping me with new weapons of knowledge, saars.

>>520592608 (OP)
GPUs only get damaged from overheating, not from load per se. And AI workload produces very little heat, you don't even need any special cooling for it.

>>520593016
>multi billion dollar companies treat their gpu the same as your average basement crypto neet

>>520598185
Sure anon, these billionaire investments will lose them money. The ultra rich are known for bad investments

>>520596894
Basically the kikes at Nvidia build their GPUs like they are being used for gaming. Basically peak usage for a few hours at a time.
They're not designing them for extended use which is what crypto and AI models use. Maybe if AMD pulls their head out of their ass and designs a Radeon card for peak use over a guaranteed number of years things will change.
Until then, Nvidia's kikely will be their downfall.

>>520593506
Still using my 2070
Just will keep playing 12+ year old games, nothing lost

>>520597980
doubt it.. APU built with neurons levels built in and don't require any power at all

>>520592834
Have you been running it at 100% 24/7 that whole time?

>>520598902
They are designed to run 100% 24/7. Temps are the killer. You think these massive installations dont have proper cooling?

>>520597314
>Is it simply a matter of how many simple calculations the processors can handle, as distinct from more complex instructions which a CPU may be required for...?
BASICALLY

>>520597459
>>520598544
But come on now, surely they're not retarded, surely the industrial GPUs for AI are built different than your average gamer GPU. Both Nvidia and the big datacenter customers know how the GPUs are being used, right? R-right?

>>520599258
Even with proper cooling it will run at a high temperature at 100% compared to idle, that makes a difference over 13 years.

>>520597314
CPUs are made for running complex operations on relatively little memory while GPUs are made for running simpler operations on a fuckton of memory which just so happens to be what crypto mining and AI are.

>>520592834
>>520597373
>>520598686
>what is duty cycle
OP even mentioned this lol.

>>520592608 (OP)
Why would that cause a financial crisis? These are profitable companies wasting their own money.

>>520599987
Because they're swapping the money around to each other so that our fake economy can compete with Chinas fake economy.

Isn't working.

>>520598847
> built with neurons levels built in
Still fundamentally voltage-gated silicon. If you’re talking about any other method, you’re speculating.

>>520599904
They probably overclock the memory by default and then wonder why it's giving errors at 82c

>>520600167
But why would it be a crisis if that stopped? This is nothing like 2008.

>>520592608 (OP)
>GPUs have a lifespan of 3-5 years
Meanwhile Im still running an R9 295X2 in 2025...

>>520592608 (OP)

>doesn't mine crypto
>still running my evga 3080
any reason why I should give one flying fuck about nvidia's financial future? Next PC I build will be AMD-based.

I read between the lines when EVGA gave their reason for backing out of the GPU market, I will never support Nvidia ever again.

>>520600319
Because AI is actually pretty powerful, it originates from sigint pattern recognition, after all (main use). We went all in on that and don't make anything, relying on scamming Japan out of their steel, and about to turn to le bugs because we have nothing to feed livestock at an affordable price...(Which use autonomous drones for spraying Raid on the crops, anyway)

>>520600489
No more gamer posting please.

>>520600319
>inflation has pushed mortgage and debt levels to the max
>market PE correction causes stocks to an hero
>low stock price causes mass layoffs
>over-leveraged millenials get foreclizzied
>boom booms pillow themselves

>>520599410
nope, industrial gpu's are way more powerful than gamer ones, rtx 6000 AI model costs like 10k$, why would nvidia make lasting products anyway? they have monopoly on AI gpu they can make them as shitty as they want

>>520592608 (OP)

Yeah, I'm sure you're the only person on the planet that figured that out and they haven't considered it at all and taken it into account as a consumable item.

>>520600549
I used this GPU to mine back in the day too. Does everything I wanted/needed it to do. Gamers rise up!

>>520593786
Honestly some of those games can be very GPU demanding if you unlock the good scenes.

>>520600770
Ok. Now run it 24/7 for years at a time, monitor broken parts of the pipeline and replace it when it’s less than 80% efficient

>>520600950
Already did all of that. Replaced the water block in 2019. It runs at 100% efficiency. Stay mad with your GPJew.

>>520596994
>generational levels of debt
lol. lmao even.

>>520592608 (OP)
This is just the tip of the shitburg.
>Massive investment and gov subsidies into this tech for job creation, all white collar work is outsourced and turns out it didn't create the number of jobs claimed cause you can just lie now
>dog shit error rate because human accuracy becomes exponentially harder to program for
>US infrastructure can't handle the electrical and water demands, they still don't want to pay for upgrades to infrastructure.
>So unprofitable that all tech companies are moving their money in circular paterns to hide how much they are pissing away on tech that maybe has a 20% use case scenario for what they claim it can do
>People don't like the tech, forcing it in everything is killing other industries
>Even if you get there first China will just make a cheaper version for little R&D cost with a energy grid that can handle demands
>living near a data center fucks your utilities into the dirt, and living in the middle of nowhere won't save you.
>reliant on China for the rare earth minerals for the tech
The AI bubble is gonna make the Dot com bubble look like a joke. Honestly going after the tech companies doing this shit for defrauding the government wouldn't even begin to cover how bad this will get. It legit may crash everything.
>Pic is AI.
>No I don't think it's worth the fake and gay hype. I genuinely think its not very usable

>>520592608 (OP)
Then why not make bulkier but sturdier GPUs? Ffs you can make a server out of a laptop. A shitty one but you can. Good servers are the ones shown in propoganda clips with wires and looks like a big box. They should just do that but for GPUs. Oh wait, taiwan doesn't export this service. RIP i guess.

>>520602000
Nvidia have a monopoly so they can do what they want and they want to sell more GPUs not less.

NVDA is dumping. Is it happening?

>>520592608 (OP)
>GPUs have a lifespan of 3-5 years. The fact that it's physically impossible for big tech companies to turn a profit on their trillion dollar AI GPU investment before the hardware burns out is going to cause a financial crisis.

Its easily fixable by downclocking and downvolting the GPU and memory. Its the voltage that kills them over time. It was voltage that killed intel cpus, and it was voltage that killed some AMD cpus depending on motherboard.

The thing is that this is by intent, its called "planned obsolescence" meaning that these cards are designed so they will fail after 3-4 years. You could fix this by flashing a new bios. The people who run these AI companies have degrees in jewish theology (MBA/economics) and have not the slightest clue that they are getting scammed by their tech supplier. Serves them right for being jews.

>>520592998
>the "AI bubble" is just cover for them
pumping up the stock and speculative asset markets right before the global debt aka bond market totally implodes

Nobody is buying the debt

>>520601530
>>dog shit error rate because human accuracy becomes exponentially harder to program for


Dont forget that where do they train their AIs? On internet content. What makes up more and more internet content? AIs. Whats the end result of this? AI derangedness syndrome.

>>520602000
>Then why not make bulkier but sturdier GPUs?

You mean like making them with 28 nm tech? AI chips are super souped up GPUs, they are so large that they are reticle sized, meaning that you cannot etch a larger GPU on a silicon wafer. And they are made with best possible technology because you need to intergrate everything on a single supersized chip substrate (HBM memory) to get maximum speed out of your AI chip. Making AI chips with larger lithography is not going to work. The problem is overvolting leading to electron erosion.

>>520592608 (OP)
There's not even enough data centres for the current chips these companies have purchased the jeet CEO of Microsoft says they have thousands idle nor is there the power supply it will take years to build it all and by that time the GPUs will be outdated so they will need to spend trillions more but surely after all those years and trillions spent you will see a return even greater than the investment, right?

I bought my GTX 1070 in 2017. Its almost 10 years old. I can't afford a new one. If it dies soon I don't know what I'm going to do. I've been very careful with it to make it last longer.

>>520593482
This image leaves out that AMD gave OpenAI the stock at a cost of 1c per share they did this because OpenAI has no funds so AMD gave them 10% of their stock so had the funds to purchase $35 billion worth of their chips which instantly resulted in a 25% rise in AMD's share price

>>520603438
Just wait for the Trump tweet.

>>520604531
If you saved $8.3/month for the last 10 years, you can afford a new top-of-the-line GPU.

>>520605548
i got a GF and she destroyed me financially, i will not recover before 2028 at the very least

>>520596894
There's no "burning out". That's OP coming up with bullshit. Never heard or read anything about it and am on a graphics card that's over 13 years old and one of theirs, on a computer mostly used for gaming, videos and shitposting here. The only thing shit about Nvidia, aside from always having been a shit company, is that their drivers these days are absolute garbage. For that reason, and because they keep the prices for GPUs above the level they should be, my next graphics card will be an AMD one. And I'll use that one for 10y+ as well.

>>520607357
But did you mine crypto with it for years on end?

>>520607607
Are "AI" companies mining crypto with it ? Come on now.

>>520607763
They might as well be with how they're running them full blast all the time training AI models.

>>520608569
silicon doesnt burn out there is no mtbf or expiry date on any chip's datasheet
it doesnt matter that it was 90c for 2 years straight, its still in spec
spend 2000 instead of 200 if you want but you're just consumer-brained "it must be new so i can brag"

>>520592608 (OP)
lmao another artist who thinks his "skills" can be useful again.
they have special made enclosures, whole facilities made special. nitrogen cooling. the whole nine yards. these things will last at minimum 20 years under full workload.
if you think theyre getting the same shit a consumer gets, you're literally retarded.
this shit is hardened, maintenance built into it, kinda shit.
it's time for you to grow up, and learn a truly useful skill other than drawing pictures for trannies.

>>520592608 (OP)
Companies typically refresh hardware every five years anyway, no?

>>520608788
Tell that to all the burnt out miner GPUs on Ebay.

>>520609064
>nitrogen cooling
big if true

>>520608788
>>520607357
>your wrong I own a GPU
go suck sam altmans dick

>>520608788

The only thing that actually wears out is the fans. Gamers are retards and just ignore dying fans and fry their GPUs that way.

One nice side benefit of the coming AI bubble pop will be dirt cheap secondhand GPUs. Imagine buying a used H100 for $1000-$2000. With how many hundreds of thousands of GPUs that are going to get liquidated that's what they'll be selling for.

>all these gamer retards thinking GPUs hold forever
kek
>>520613869
all of it slowly breaks down, VRAM dies slowly, capacitors go bust, voltage regulator modules can croak, thermal paste dries up etc.
so OP isnt wrong, but of course not all GPUs will croak at the same time and they will also add new GPUs to replace broken ones (unless they run out of money).

I hold GME, I'm not worried about any bubble.

>>520599258
Not running at 100% and being allowed to take breaks makes a huge difference. ITs why even gaming PCs can easily last for years despite heavy daily use.

>>520597314
Crypto mining switched over to the server model for a reason.

>>520598544
LMAO fuck here I thought it was going to be due to overleveraging investments due to zombie economy and crippling the functionality of the AI.

>>520599410
Guess who chooses what to buy and how much to pay for it? It ain't those who actually use it. There is a reason why literally everyone bitches about how out of touch financing and management is. So they wouldn't know except for few technicians working there who know better but nobody is gonna listen to them on how they are buying and using the wrong kind of hardware.

>>520592608 (OP)
>GPUs
*snort*

>>520592608 (OP)
Eh. We'll see.

>>520592761
1080ti still going

>>520593173
The white man will just vote himself back into power and contain the computer incels

>>520618350
Nvidia seriously fucked up making that card, they had to kill driver support to make it less relevant.

>>520618642
but also it's okay if somehow they just don't enslave us.

Literally AI terrorism is the most critical discourse for the west right now.

>>520592608 (OP)
OP is retarded and doesn't understand shit about fuck. These AI companies didn't just go to microcenter and buy $1 trillion worth of GPUs and now they have to figure out how to make more than $1 trillion in profit before they "burn out," you are just a complete midwit.
AI companies worth hundreds of billions of dollars investing money into purchasing compute and expanding their capabilities is NOTHING like you Chuds playing videya games and buying a new GPU and knowing there is a limited amount of time before it is no longer capable of playing the latest AAA slop at 4k ultra.

>>520592608 (OP)
GPUs are just like any other fabbed item.
Ive got CPUs running 10 years, one AMD card that's got to be 7 or 8 years old.
3-5 would be some serious bullshit.

>>520603625
Underclock, undervolt, repaste with TPM & replace thermal pads with putty (HT10K) + watercool and a GPU will last for a decade at least running @ 100%

>>520618886
Aren't there open drivers for the 1080s anyway?

>>520592608 (OP)
The solution is to make the GPU more sturdy. Which would probably mean making them physically bigger, the opposite of what has been happening.

>>520597314
>Why do that always default to GPU's, not CPU's, for processing the likes of crypto mining and A. I.?
All of the rapid growth in AI since 2017 is due to the development of the transformer architecture. The core components of a transformer are the self-attention mechanism and feed-forward networks. These operations are essentially just an extremely large number of matrix multiplication problems.
The reason GPUs are so much more useful for this is because they allow massive parallelism and can do many thousands of those mathematical operations simultaneously.
Also, GPUs are designed to constantly move large amounts of data (the model parameters, ie weights) to all of those many cores.
CPUs are designed to have a few powerful cores and memory optimized for low latency.
Newer tensor cores are even more specialized and designed to just do those types of matrix math problems, which makes them even better for AI models than more general purpose GPUs/

>>520598544
>Basically the kikes at Nvidia build their GPUs like they are being used for gaming.
>They're not designing them for extended use which is what crypto and AI models use.
Are you retarded, or did you just step out of a time machine from 2019?