Thread 520635637

Why is no one talking about California planning to steal the next election?

>someone steals your money
>you take it back
>they call you a thief
that's your logic op.

>>520635637 (OP)
because its gonna get undone by scotus anyway. they cant compete with the fact that nationwide redistricting will make the dems irrelevant in almost every state.

It's a lost cause, at this point driving out the last few stubborn republicucks is probably a mercy to them

>>520635769
>Someone steals your money
You took out a loan. Pay it back tranny.

>>520635637 (OP)
>steal the next election
Fake and gay. But vote harder anyway

>>520635885
>declare bankruptcy
what now, kike?

>>520635885
kek
troonmolished

>>520635769
what the fuck analogy is that, retard?

California is only doing it because Texas is

>>520637326
You can declare bankruptcy on loans, kike.

California, and the US, is majority registered democrats. Accurate representation is a good thing.

>>520637326
>Texas gerrymanders, gets 5 more seats
>California gerrymanders back, gets 5 seats
>accuse California of trying to steal elections

>>520635637 (OP)
So Texas and other states that followed suit are also planning on stealing the elction?

>>520635637 (OP)
They are only doing this because Republicans are doing it in Texas. It is literally the Republicans that are trying to steal an election

>>520635794
>nationwide redistricting will make the dems irrelevant in almost every state
Then do it.

>>520635637 (OP)
>planning to steal the next election
Because it's tried to steal EVERY election but now often fails. Hey it's run by idiot loosers.

>>520637539
>the jew cries out in pain as he strikes you

>>520637539
>>520637698
texas didn't gerrymander and most blue states are gerrymandered worse than the worst red states

>>520637786
Seething kike

>>520635637 (OP)
Texas redistricted to get 5 more republican seats and we did the same. The only difference is we voted on it and Texans didn't get a vote.

>>520637856
>1 post by this absolutely buttblasted faggot

>>520637856
you're a nigger tranny

>>520637632
>but now often fails.
They didn't fail today
>idiot losers
They didn't lose today

>>520635637 (OP)
Civil war is going to break out by next election so it won't matter

That isn't a what if
That's the genuine future

I don't know which side will start it, probably democrats but its going to happen by next election

The country has been on life support for years now
Just end it

>>520635637 (OP)
Trump said that it's ok to gerrymander so he shouldn't be mad when it backfires and other states do it too

>>520637786
“Across these places that offer partisan registration data, Democrats have the most registered voters cumulatively with 44.9 million, followed by independents and other third parties with 39.2 million, and Republicans with 38 million.”
https://news.ballotpedia.org/2025/08/12/democrats-and-republicans-make-up-over-two-thirds-of-registered-voters-in-the-u-s/

>>520638394
Chill fuck out and grow the fuck up

>>520635637 (OP)
Why is no one talking about the new reservoir being built on Jerry Browns land? Guess who controls all that new lake front property now formerly in a red controlled zone?

>>520635769
yes, but opposite. The left is always two steps behind reality. California is a corrupt one party state that should be sold to Mexico. I dont give a shit about their GDP and how many billionaires that tried to rig for Kamala they have. Fuck them, and the rest of their state of slave labor, terrorists, druggies, and criminals. Aka democrats

>>520635637 (OP)
Reagan delivered California to democrats on a silver platter.
We were a red state before his 1986 amnesty.
Look at our voting record.

>>520638474
It's okay to do things, but the left find a way to corrupt it. That's all they do, cheat, steal, lie. It's nice to give people who need food, food. But the left then sees this program, and decides to only give it to minorities who will vote for them, or die if they don't and slave labor who will only vote for them, or be kicked out of the country or naturalized.

>>520637564
>Dems do it for decades.
>Tx un-gerrymanders a few districts
How is this the same? Look at the fucking districts.

>>520638574
luckily for democrats, the people who run the GOP are three steps behind reality.

>>520638519
Why should we give a shit about republinigger tears? The GOP is a whole party dedicated to hating california, denying us federal funding while sucking us dry.

>>520638475
yeah and all the democrats live in blue cities, retard

>>520638475
breaking news: cities more populated than rural areas
quick, better undo the great compromise

>>520635637 (OP)
im moving out of this fucking liberal shithole, im sick and tired of mentally ill faggots and browns deciding to make this place worse than it already is

>>520635637 (OP)
Because it's in a direct response to Texas doing the same thing. So clutching your pearls over Prop 50 requires acknowledging Texas started it.

>>520637786
Except that's factually not true faggot

>>520635637 (OP)
>>520635769
>>520637354


Because it's a lie and has nothing to do with the presidential election. What they actually did was steal the republican gains in california, specifically in the central valley that had turned red. The state was going red because nusome keeps letting it burn down, but by redistricting it it's now 100% blue.

Hispanic voters now control the state's elections.

the repeal of the voting rights act will make any of the last seats democrats could gerrymander from VA or CA irrelevant and allow republicans to control the house for the next generation

>>520638962
>because nusome keeps letting it burn down
It's that or subsidize fire insurance / firefighting for the retards that build their houses in the middle of the forest by taxing those of us who aren't braindead enough to build houses in the woods.

If anything we should be letting more burn down. If you want to live in the woods then pay for your own insurance

>>520638725
>>520638711
No, shit.
REGARDLESS, DEMOCRATS ARE THE MAJORITY OF THIS COUNTRY.

>gerrymandering is bad!
>so we'll gerrymander our state to get you back!
how in the world have people become so petty and idiotic to act like this? gerrymandering is supposed to be a bad thing. why is California fucking over its own citizens to spite Texas?

>>520635637 (OP)
I don't care. Lets just put it all out on the table right now instead of pretending gerrymandering is bad

>>520639094
who won the popular vote in 2024

>>520638806
The democrats reaction when red states start redistricting in retaliation to this and they realize blue states were already gerrymandered to the max and they can make up for it will be hilarious.

>>520639108
Because it centralizes the power more in California. Texas was just an excuse.

>>520639108
>why is California fucking over its own citizens to spite Texas?
Because playing by the rules means you lose. You can blame Trump for "shattering norms." Abbot handed Newsom perfect optics to justify this as a necessary evil.

>>520639108
>how in the world have people become so petty and idiotic to act like this? gerrymandering is supposed to be a bad thing.
There is nothing noble in losing because you stuck to your noble principles while the other guy shanked you in the back. You'd rather we just let the other party take five more national seats and do nothing? That time passed like five years ago and the dems are only just now realizing it

>>520638394
Your optimism disgusts me

>>520639108
>why is California fucking over its own citizens
It isn't. Unlike Texas, they actually asked their citizens, and those citizens decided by a simple majority vote that they wanted a redistricting.

>>520639108
Literally who the fuck cares lol. California is hated by the rest of America and is the punchline of the right even if you live in bumfuck nowhere. Might as well embrace going full heel instead of doing the meme where you give a speech about "decorum and values" while they send feds in the state.

Red states are so coddled it's unreal, but honestly it's the blue states fault for being pussies too. If Biden threatened to withold hurricane funds unless DeSantis sucked his dick, at least some floridans would rise up

>>520638701
California sucks it's own people dry more than anything, you're a fucking retarded if haven't noticed it's in a deficit and major corporations leaving

>>520639249
And the red states will do the same in response. Calm down homo

>>520639108
Politicians don't care anymore. They don't care about doing what's right, they only care about their side winning. Hypocrisy no longer matters to them. If one side does it the other side will too. If you thought any of them would care about morality anymore then you're a sucker

>>520639366
In response? Were they not already planning on doing it anyway even if Prop 50 failed? If anything it just advanced the arms race that was already occuring. Can you say for certain that had Prop 50 failed, nodody else would do that shit Texas did in the first place?

>>520638806
it is true, retard. blue states are always more gerrymandered, you troon
>>520639094
they don't the GOP won the popular vote in the house in 2024 and 2022, you are a tranny

>>520639088
Shut up you stupid jeet. The last californian city to burn down was 1/8th of LA, which isnt in any kind of forest. Nusom has been METHODOLOGICALLY shutting down the state's ability to respond to wild fires by doing things such as closing fire camps and shipping off state fire fighting equipment to ukraine. Before that his administration made it harder to even report forest fires by shutting down the radio tower repeater network in the mountains. It cost nothing to maintain those facilities, just 1k in insurance costs per year and the richest state in the countrry shut them down because 'lol lmao'.

>>520639334
It's temporary, and there's already laws in place to prevent what they're doing, hence putting it on a ballot for non citizens and pay to play politicians to decide

>>520639365
The deficit is pretty minor and the corporations leaving is overblown. California does have problems but it's not falling behind any time soon, much as republican haters would love that to happen.

>>520637496
You're a jew.
I can just sense it.

>>520639434
If prop 50 failed it was a maybe. With it passing it is an almost certainty.

>>520639254
That is literally the definition of nobility. Texas didn't stab you in the back, California stabbed all of its republican voters in the back by intentionally disregarding their vote. California and Newsome are just corrupt rats, that's why the ad they ran here was 4 fucks not even from this state. The house exists to represent the population.
>>520639353
It's just kinda strange. I saw Obama campaigning for a Proposition that's literally intended to rig the system and strip representation from people. Supposedly to spite a completely different state.
>>520639334
Did you even read the bill? It's flagrant gerrymandering.

>>520635637 (OP)
Since 2020 they steal every election.

>>520639528
>a ballot for non citizens
That's quite literally not how your ballots work, brainlet.

>>520639531
>Niggers and the jews of holly weird must win
Whatever genocide apologist. Enjoy your shithole brown utopia

>>520638701
how's that railroad going?

>>520635769
California was already gerrymandered to hell and back retard, you faggots only made the imbalance worse

>>520635637 (OP)
This is good for both sides, California rinos get cleared and that retarded niggercunt Crockett loses her seat.

>>520639531
>pretty minor
Billions with a b, retard. That's not minor, that's a royal fuck up.

>>520639624
It is you retard, ballots aren't just for politicians you dumb nigger

>>520635637 (OP)
>Republicans forcibly redestrict Texas with no vote
Yep that’s fine
>Democrats put up for vote temporary redistricting that ends in 2030
>vote wins
NOOOOOO YOU CAN’T DO THAT IT’S NOT FAIR

>>520639599
Our republican voters have exactly the same amount as representation as they did before, nothing has been stripped away. Their representatives are just in Texas now.

Sorry but I'm not going to take the high road and just lose by having principles while the other guy doesn't. You must have noticed that nobody has given a shit about the rules for like a decade.

>>520639505
>1/8th of LA
Not even close lol. And that was extremely unusual, they almost never come into cities

>>520639735
>muh big number
Compare to the total budget and revenue

>>520639860
Obviously you didn't see the map. Historically conservative areas that only do agriculture and farming are sharing the same districts with cock chopping flat landers.

>>520640025
Yes I know what gerrymandering is, thanks

>>520639987
That doesn't mean they still fucked up when told they were fucking up,and they still fucked up. Giving away free shit costs money go fucking figure.

>>520639814
So ... you claim that only politicians are citizens now? How fucking uneducated are you?

>>520635637 (OP)
Why have maga-lards developed amnesia about Texas stealing 5 Democratic party house seats. Maga-lards are in a panic. Were going to run out of rope.

>>520638574
>higher standard of living and lower crime rate than most red states
>best weather of any state in the country
>headquarters of the world’s tech industry
>actually contributes more in federal taxes than they receive in spending unlike most red states

Stay mad

>>520635637 (OP)
He's like the final boss of smug douchebag California politicians
Anyway Prop 50 is blatantly unconstitutional so expect lawsuits

>>520639505
Oh and the radio tower thing is just a lie. The Ukraine thing was real but it was a few tons of surplus equipment. The fire camps were prison labor, and we have had a declining population of low-security prisoners.

What IS true is that Newsom has now built the world's largest state owned aerial firefighting force and increased the firefighting budget massively

>>520640052
Then why imply they don't have the same representation you dumb nigger. Fire insurance, water rights, and food are all things Republicans have historically stood for the past couple decades. Democrats have historically fucked up and rely on high taxes amd beaner labor to fix anything

>>520640275
And he'll soon be ruling you, chud. How is it unconstitutional?

If God was real he would let the San Andreas fault rip

>>520640275
There is no case because if it was, then texas would be forced to give up on their redistricting. Gerymandering is legal according to scotus. Cry some

>>520640330
>Then why imply they don't have the same representation you dumb nigger.
I implied the opposite actually, although you're obviously too dumb to understand a double negative. Republicans created 5 extra seats elsewhere in the country, so the 5 seats we took away here balance out. Republicans here are equally represented in congress.

>>520635637 (OP)
I did already on a real BBS forum not this piece of reddit tier shit

>>520640157
Again you dont know what you're talking about you stupid brownoid. Politicians aren't the only things the people vote on. Hense the proposition you dumb nigger

>>520640340
You wish you could swallow his cum

>>520640206
>lower crime rate than most red states
Not showing up to police 911 calls doesn't mean they have lower crime rate. Not protecting doesn't mean they have low conviction rates either.That's a fat lie niggers and blue hair redit fags say

>>520640206
$68B deficit this year alone because the state is run by low iq third world browns and it’s only gonna get worse.

>>520640642
Cope. Red states are objectively shitholes by just about every metric. Anything quantifiable you could name, red states are worse at it.

>>520640419
Trump did this republicans did that.
Prove it. 1 was court ordered and the other one was decision out of butthurt childishness, because the white man is kicking beaners out country, and not letting them vote.

>>520640385
Texas has a good reason to undo the gerrymandering. California is just political retribution by doubling down on it. Left shouldn't be allowed to use niggers as political golems.

>>520640735
I'm from Northern California you dumb nigger and agriculture is way better elsewhere as they use automated equipment and not beaner labor. Inb4 but muh inflated grape and almond.
Drive highway 80 and it all farm land till Chicago

>>520640481
Let's summarize this argument:
>ME: California had its citizens vot on it.
>YOU: No, they put it "on a ballot for non citizens".
>ME: Your ballots don't work like that, they're for citizens only.
>YOU: "Ballots aren't just for politicians."
>ME: I never said they were. Unless you think that all citizens are politicians.
>YOU: "Politicians aren't the only things the people vote on."

And this post here is explaining to you that you not only not seem to get what I'm saying, you also don't even seem to remember what you just posted before.
Why exactly do you keep arguing points no one ever made?

>>520641044
Arw you fucking retarded? They are admitting they want to gerrymander even more. They arent hiding it, yet you seem to be in denial. They want blacks and hispanics in those districts they are targeting to not have representation.

>>520640825
The court didn't order jack shit you disingenuous fuck. The state reps in texas passed it in a wholly political process. In no way was it a legal effort at all. But I think you know that and are just arguing in bad faith as usual.

>>520635794
Kansas Republicans just cucked out and Indiana Republicans will too. Florida will fail as well. Republicans won't do shit.

>>520640825
Trump told him to do it. Court wasnt involved at all you retarded prick.

>>520635794
except the gop will cuck again and do nothing while the left openly murders them and cheers for it, as is the boomer tradition

>>520635637 (OP)
Maybe you shouldn't have pushed for mid-decade redistricting first kek. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
>only WE can do redistricting!!!!! if you do it, that's heckin evil deep state pizza parlor politics!!!!!!

>>520641094
You failed to realize there's already laws and a committee in place to prevent what they're doing. Putting it to a tainted vote when the people already decided already makes your argument retarded.

>>520641073
Why would you inb4 grapes and almonds as if they don't matter? California has the most profitable farmland per acre out of any state. If we wanted to grow corn we could, we can just do better.

>>520641336
Here we go. Trump did it.

Prove it you dumb nigger. The administration doesn't have any authority over state affairs. That's texas' deal entirely

>>520635637 (OP)
I'm in Florida. If Newsom becomes POTUS, we'll just kill him. I promise you. There's a reason he never comes here. There's a bounty on his head. He's gator feed if he ever gets elected as president.

>>520641268
Kansas and Indiana only have 1 blue district each so there is not much to be gained there.

>>520641367
And yet again, you're arguing a point no one ever made. But let me humour you: Why exactly do you think a committee being in place should prevent another democratic process taking place, or why any law should be able to prevent another (newer) law from replacing it?

>>520641524
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiTM2HQ0g98

Calichads cutting florida off from hurricane relief funds once we're in power

>>520641380
Most taxed and inflated too, retard. That's why they want to keep beaner labor and not use expensive regulated equipment to do farming

>>520635637 (OP)
Oh fuck off

>>520641500
Trump told bondi to send abbot a letter this is all public knowledge if you knew about it you retarded prick. They morons are so incompitent they leaked that information to the public. It was only later on that abbott tried to memory hole that it wasnt ordered by trump. Earliest reporting has abbott saying it was an order by the white house.

>>520635637 (OP)
Because everyone already expects them to anyway?

>>520641634
Taxed it may be but the simple fact is it makes more money per acre than farmland anywhere else.

Not sure how automated corn fields in Iowa making less money are supposed to be better, especially since corn is propped up by the government to the tune of $3.2 billion per year

>>520641614
I promise you, he will never lay his hands on a Bible and take the oath of office if he ever wins president elect. 100% guarantee. You do not understand how much we'd love to plug that fuck-ass loser. Nothing is beyond our reach. If he stays in Chinafornia, he's safe. He can burn to death in the next brush fire for all we care.

>>520641603
Because the shit is retarded to begin with and wars have been fought over the same principle. If you're now arguing tik for tat. Ask your who was the first ever to gerrymander. It's not republicans

>We
>we
>we
>wE
'You' don't have anything to do with the conditions that led to california being prosperous, you little shitnigger brownoid. You are a welfare parasite communist and probably unemployed. Stop saying 'we' like you are part of the ruling class. 'You' don't have shit to do with it, and 'you' don't have to pay the fucking taxes that fund the bullshit.

>>520641500
Trump said he was “pushing Texas Republicans to redraw the state’s congressional maps” to create more GOP-favored seats, and when asked about adding GOP-friendly districts said, “Texas will be the biggest one. And that’ll be five.” Associated Press write-up: https://apnews.com/article/d18e8280a32872d9eefcbb26f66a0331

In a later CNBC interview, Trump explicitly defended “his push” for a mid-decade Texas redraw, saying: “I got the highest vote in the history of Texas, as you probably know, and we are entitled to five more seats.” Reuters summary: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-defends-push-texas-redistricting-2025-08-05/


The same AP report states that on a call with Texas’s Republican U.S. House delegation, Trump told them the state legislature would pursue “five new winnable seats through redistricting,” i.e., he personally communicated the target and that redistricting was the tool.
wsaw.com
+1

Governor Abbott’s official July 9, 2025 special-session agenda then added “legislation that provides a revised congressional redistricting plan in light of constitutional concerns raised by the U.S. Department of Justice,” which at that point was Trump’s DOJ. That language appears in Abbott’s own posting and is quoted in later NAACP filings. Governor’s release: https://gov.texas.gov/news/post/governor-abbott-announces-special-session-agenda-

NAACP motion excerpting it: https://naacp.org/sites/default/files/documents/W.D.%20Tex%2021-cv-00259%20dckt%20001142_000%20filed%202025-08-26%20(NAACP%20PI%20Motion).pdf

>>520641732
Well there you go retard. Most food is consumed locally. Glad you could figure it out.

Why isn't governmemt regulated farming outperforming on paper to limited regulated private agriculture? Really?? Ths your argument/cope???

>>520641094
>ME: California had its citizens vote on it.
>YOU: No, they put it "on a ballot for non citizens".
>ME: Your ballots don't work like that, they're for citizens only.

I think he meant, “they put it on a ballot so all their non-citizens can vote on it”. California was not validating IDs and letting illegals vote, now they gave all the illegals CDLs so they can still vote even with voter ID laws. Explains why they are willing to give any brown person a trucking license with the name “No Name Given”.

Texas didnt even draw the new map by the way. It was drawn my virginia GOP mapmaker Eric Kincaid on the direction of the white house. States rights? What states rights. Its a partisan gerrymander. Look up LULAC v. Abbott. The lawsuit challenging the maps.

>>520641711
Lmao you bandwagoned the coverage just like every other jewish news outlet. You think that shit wasn't already in the mouths of the GOP? it's doesn't mater if trump sponsored it or not it was going happen since california moved in the last few years

>>520641824
>Because the shit is retarded to begin with
Okay. Not an answer to the question.

>>520641908
Didn't read. Noticed your nigger ass cited NAACP. You by default lose any argument here.

>>520642161
>now they gave all the illegals CDLs so they can still vote even with voter ID laws
That's still not how your voting rights work.

>>520642103
I'm not sure you understood a word of what I just said.

Let me spell it out for you. It's not regulation. The US government through various programs forces people to buy corn, effectively raising the price and GIVING money to corn farmers. DESPITE $3 billion of taxpayer money baked into their sale prices, corn farms in Iowa are still less valuable than the grape/almond farms of California.

And no, most food is not consumed locally. Farmers cannot eat all their own crop and generally live in rural areas that can't eat anywhere close to what they produce. It's all sold, so there's really no excuse for making less money.

I'm really not sure how you could be this dense. It's a pretty simple concept. Subsidized, unregulated farms in Iowa are still worse than unsubsidized, heavily taxed farms in california.

>>520635637 (OP)
So it's ok when Red states do it, but blue states can't?

I don't understand this logic.

>>520639575
Prop 50 is a trigger law. If Texas republikikes don't want to trigger it, all they have to do is not gerrymander. The ball is in their court.

>>520642292
>prove trump pressured them into it
>actually it doesnt matter that they pressured them, because they wanted to do to anyways.
No shit. They didnt challenge anything in court. They want to gerrymander. You spoke like they werent trying to do it. So california did so in response that is the timeline. Californoa warned texas that they would do it of texas if they pushed through the gerrymander. And that is what pushed california to get the votes to do it. Because texas did it.

>>520642352
The NAACP quoted Greg Abbott in their lawsuit, so Abbott is the source

>>520642339
Nice non answer, retard. Are you denying gerrymandering is inherently liberal and Jewish?

>>520635637 (OP)
Trump kicked off the redistricting wars. At least Gavin was nice enough to leave it up to a vote first.

>>520635637 (OP)
CA only taking 5 seats instead of wiping out every Republican district is mercy.

>>520638642
There are a whole lot of white people on SNAP. You’re just seething that American money might go to Americans and not Israel.

>retards itt blaming the players instead of the rules of the game
this is why slavery still exists

>>520642492
Texas should gerrymander all niggers out of their vote and use number fudging to double California's districts to fuck with them.
Nobody likes California except people that get free shit, homeless, and people that enjoy brush fires and human excrement. The Dodgers should leave for Dallas.

>>520635637 (OP)
>>520635637 (OP)
MIGA! thank you TACO cheeto for not arresting any of these kike traitors for treason. israel is the most important nation of the world and all our attention and money belong there with gods chosen people

>>520642513
California has no business to tell what anyone else can or cannot do especially when it's their fault to begin with. You're blaming Trump for California's fuck up when in reality california is doing it fuck over their own people by gerrymandering an already gerrymandered map that they are slowly loosing

>>520642543
California was already gerrymandered to high hell you retarded kangaroo fucker

>>520642764
Maybe pick a candidate next time whose only goal other than endless support for Israel is shitting on people who didn’t vote for him? Remember that Donald already made it clear that blue states are his enemies despite us paying to support all his flyover welfare queens.

>>520640206
>higher standard of living and lower crime rate than most red states
like how china eliminated poverty by defining poverty as making a dollar a day? of course california has no crime, when the cops don't exist, and prosecutors don't prosecute.

>>520642764
Reading your posts I’ve noticed pretty low literacy, often even gibberish like this. Are you dyslexic, drunk, high, or did you just never learn to write above a third grade level?

>>520642764
>>520642902
lol no it wasn't. Before today, California had an independent nonpartisan redistricting commission that was created by a Republican governor. Fucking cope.

>>520642535
Your whole election system makes no sense.
Stop with the districting altogether. Each vote needs to have the same weight, each vote needs to count. No matter where you live. If you want to vote Green and everyone else in your district votes for the Libertarians, your vote deserves be counted in some way anyway. Therefore: No more electoral college, no more 2 senators for even the tiniest state, no more district representatives in state elections. Each and every parliament needs to be seated proportional to the total vote count of whichever election. Elections for one-person-offices like the presidency should be decided by majority.
That's how it works in basically all of the civilized world. There is no gerrymandering in most countries because no sensible voting system would ever allow such a thing to influence parlamentary power distribution.
(And, no, the UK, where you guys got this shit from, is not part of the civilized world.)

>>520642938
The fact that Austin is the new tech hub proves that California is an occupied shithole, and people like Newsom are traitors that need to be executed.

>>520642467
Don't give me that dean withers shit you retarded faggot. Subsidized shit is cheap shit. Private shit costs whatever they set the price taxed on. It's an absolute fact California's COL is the highest which reflects the price of food or in your argument prof for the same shit anywhere else

>>520643014
> Austin is the new tech hub

>>520642515
NAACP was founded by jews. Who lie

>>520642993
Your country sucks and you have no nuclear power plants. Shut the fuck up. Can't even make a decent car anymore. Just SHUT UP, god damn shut the fuck up, you European fucks act like you get a say in the world or some shit.

>>520642993
Elections in the constitution were set up for an elite, minority, exclusively private capital owning electorate in a time without any kind of centralized, reliable mail delivery. Then they made the constitution incredibly difficult to change. This is why we have this kind of retarded outdated shit despite having a universal electorate and vastly more reliable ways to tally and deliver votes now.

>>520643098
You guys really need to stop trying to make everyone that doesn’t like MAGA hate you.

>>520635794
That's cuck shit, I want trump to deputize me on a RWDS to raze my home state of California. Anything less is too little, too late at this point.

>>520643098
Sounds like I hit a sore spot there?
It's okay, anon. Not all hope is lost for the US. Some day, maybe, you'll reform the whole system!

>Trump attempts to steal an election
>migaturds: i sleep
>Newsom attempts to steal an election
>migaturds: WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THIS??

>>520643211
I hate MAGA. I hate the DNC a little more. I want all these kike-loving, brown-loving retards that refuse to exterminate communists destroyed, burned, flayed, and laid to waste. I have zero tolerance. I am the most politically incorrect human on the face of this earth. There is no one more hardcore than me, because I give zero quarter in my convictions. I am a sword of light to cut through all darkness. God sent me to absolutely fight devilry. I have made satan and demons my bitch many times now.

>>520643035
In this case the subsidies go straight into the pockets of the farmers. These are demand-side subsidies, such as forcing all gasoline in the US to have a certain percentage of corn-derived ethanol. That’s artificially increasing the market size for corn, and basically props up the industry by making it more profitable. We do this because after the Great Depression FDR and the democrats basically vowed never to let our food production decline.

Point is, you’re confusing subsidies with regulation. These policies are directly aimed at making corn farming more profitable, not less. Yet farmland is worth less in rent in Iowa than in California, because even with that help they can’t turn as much of a profit as we can. Cost of living has nothing to do with it. Wherever these crops are sold, Californian output is worth more.

>>520642930
Did you not remember the last 5 years you retard. Forcing EV mandates. Banning gas powered generators. Restrictions on farming amd raising chickens. No church.They were setting up for a communist style governing, and the only states to stand up to the retarded shit was Florida and Texas. Hate to tell you but child fucker is right.

>>520643098
lmao what a melt down

>>520642966
Maybe you suck cocks at reading. You're not that intellectual either nigger, but often this is an argument when you don't have an argument to argue, because you're a dumb nigger. Kek

>>520640206
>higher standard of living and lower crime rate than most red states
Bullshit, this place is a shit hole with insane living cost, fentanyl zombies and beaners everywhere, and the roads are beat to absolute fucking shit despite the highest gasoline tax in the country.
>best weather of any state in the country
Foggy all year or almost as hot as Arizona, take your pick.
>headquarters of the world’s tech industry
AKA jeet ground zero, where shit eaters conspire to ruin the software that we have to use every day to get our jobs done.
>actually contributes more in federal taxes than they receive in spending unlike most red states
Like anyone give a shit. Taxes are stealing, and fuck you for even daring to give them legitimacy.
Pic related is you.

>>520643440
You try staying awake for 10 days in a row and see what kinda shit comes for you, nigger. I've seen devilry that makes anything 99.99999% of people have seen look like a MLP episode. And I killed it all. If you haven't been there you don't know.

>>520643530
I definitely don’t suck at reading, but you need to give your sentences a second look before you post. Often they are pretty nonsensical. Try and say them out loud - you sound like a drug addled nigger in a few of those

>>520642991
Yeah because since Reagan granting beaners amnesty california has forever been a liberal retarded shithole like it is now. What are you arguing Arnold recognized a problem and fixed it only for another Democrat to fuck up even more, your argument is retarded

you're just going to say we stole the election if we play fair anyways, so might as well just steal it for real.

>>520643687
California is such a shithole that they made two movies in the 90s about how much of a shithole it is. Falling Down and Demolition Man. And Tool wrote a song based on a Bill Hicks bit about it, called Aenema.

>>520635637 (OP)
stealing votes in texas was not enough, go steal votes in florida etc too! please push the pendulum as much to the right as you can. i can't wait to see you clowns get flushed down the toilet of history once it swings back with all the momentum you added by introducing all that authoritarian shit so far with project 2025

with you being removed, afd and all the other libertarian-fascistoid billionaire parasites all over the world will be removed from power for good

>>520642764
https://voca.ro/1oiyVcz3snlH

If someone talked like this irl I would probably assume their brain was addled by drugs.

>>520635637 (OP)
Because CA is already gerrymandered and has been for decades. It doesn't really matter if they get five or six new Congressmen, because a dozen previously neutral republican states are now going to gerrymander and give republicans +16.

>>520643035
I'd have to disagree with you. Subsidized farming often leads to shit production and bare minimum because it's paymen either way to the farmer. This is evident in many documentaries regarding subsidized farming, automation, cancer causing pesticides, and other farmming related principles. They all point out that government involvement leads to both shit production and shit products, but yeah corn.

>>520643326
>thing that did not happen
>thing that did
>buzzword-using shill confused

>>520643633
You spelled addicted wrong you dumb nigger. dont lecture me on sentence composition faggot.

>>520644034
>thing that did not happen
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_fake_electors_plot

>>520644029
I agree, but this is directly at odds with what you originally said when you implied midwestern farming was better and more productive because it has automation while our grapes are beaner-harvested

>>520642764
The average MAGA voter, ladies and gentlemen kek

>>520644090
Addled. It’s a word, and it’s the one I meant to use

Tough shit. They should have thought about this when they started this garbage in Texas.

FAFO

>>520637539
California is gerrymandered so bad it has a region called the "Ribbon of Shame" where you could drive along one county line with your doors open and each door would be in yet another county. Multiple highways where you'll encounter several "You are entering X county" signs less than 10 miles apart. The state is an absolute joke and complacent boomers let it metastasize before I even had a chance to have a say. The only solution at this point is the Biblical option. Californians don't deserve California.

>>520638394
there is 0% chance of a civil war in America. Stop acting like an idiot.

>>520644240
You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>520644308
Give him a break. He read about it on X (formerly Twitter)!

>>520635637 (OP)
because he has nothing to say.

there is nothing to leftists. they are carbom copies.

none can develop or alter or vary

for this reason we have nothing to say: they are all simply different faces playing the samebone liberal role.

>>520635637 (OP)
>texans seethe when another state does it
kvetch yourself, kike

Can't the union just vote to ignore the results of every election in California? The place is conducting its elections like a complete joke.

>>520644100
>not using Grokipedia
NGMI

>>520643997
The thing about gerrymandering is you can easily fuck yourself by spreading votes too thin. If there's a wave election that has high turnout for the opposition and low turnout for you it can mean a lot of extra seats for them. I don't buy a lot of other states are gonna hop into gerrymandering after tonight because the 2026 elections could shape up to be a bloodbath for republicans.

>>520635769
>Retarded leftists still think that 202 was "IMPOSSIBLE TO STEAL, FBI WHO PERJURED THEMSELVES SAID SO!"
>Somehow it's totally possible and absolutely happened when you faggots can't cheat as much.
Lmao KYS

>>520644433
It's objectively stupid and harmful to republics, but at the same time... it's the prisoner's dilemma. Once one side defects, the winning strategy is to defect as well. You can't be infinitely forgiving. Game theory is reddit but it has valuable insights in situations just like this one.

>>520644481
why are you people so dumb

>>520636956
Student loans are exempt from bankruptcy. Congratulations. You now owe your student loans and can never own a house or car unless you pay cash or accept the most predatory loans on the planet.

You guys realized it's a dumb retarded system yet?

Election?

>>520644500
Yeah and my point is gerrymandering isn't a magic "I win" strategy and the republicans stand to lose big if they get greedy with it. Ideally you wanna do it when you expect your side to be ascending, which if tonight is any indication the republicans are not going to be next year.

>>520644308
>>520644330
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California%27s_23rd_congressional_district
Kill yourself and post nose, in that order.

>>520644432
>Chudcelipaedia brought to you by Elohin "Vote Jew No Matter Who" Muskovski

>>520644163
I still stand by that assertion. Just like EV cars are being subsidized and pushed on us, doesn't mean they're more or less expensive than an older gas powered one, or it performs as good. The same analogy or comparison can be applied to subsidized farming vs california farming, and this argument of what's better. Objectively california isn't greater than the rest of the nation at farming.

>>520635637 (OP)
no one's talking about it because they do it every election and all the people who cared already moved to other states.

>>520644188
I'm literally a nazi. Trump loves jewish cocks, and I didn't vote. Nice try though faggot

>>520644801
Why did they Gerrymander that district to give the Republicans a seat? Are they stupid?

>>520644195
Cool. You're still a faggot

>>520644801
The link you posted literally says that the district hasn't been Gerrymandered like what you described for almost 15 years. You probably should have read it before you posted it.

>>520644940
>I'm literally a nazi
Big reveal! Holy fuck!!! Wait, you were... a NAZI all along...?! Say it ain't so... my tender heart can't handle such an unexpected revelation

>>520645121
You know the first thing hitler did was kill faggots like you. He then brought his country out of a depression by kicking jews like you out. You think I care? You're still a normie fag.

>>520644100
>kikepedia
Big it must be true and not an overblown nothingburger! I hope you're getting paid for this

>>520635637 (OP)
California isn't nearly as blue as people think. In their proposed map there are at least 4 seats they can still lose, especially in the north part of the state.

>>520644589
Or just take out a loan and pay it back

>>520646040
with the new redistricting they can make those seats safer. Also the bigger problem here is republicans are not going to show up when trump isnt on the ballot. Which is why the dems did so good everywhere.

>>520641380
How are you this fucking stupid? That is dollars per acre, jackass, not profit. All they did was jack up prices and cost of living. As a percentage of revenue, California's profit margins are the smallest in the nation for agriculture. That's how Florida destroyed California's orange industry without even trying.

California is one of the most illiterate states out there. The average IQ is on par with the 3rd world. And once you take into account unreported rapes and robberies by illegals against other illegals, it has THE highest violent crime rate in the nation.

>>520635637 (OP)
>Why is no one talking about California planning to steal the next election?
Trump tried to steal the country on January 6.
Kill yourself faggot.
Stream it.
Now

>>520646191
You're missing the point. They can still lose 4 of those seats AFTER the redistricting. They are stretching out their safe seats just to turn some red seats into +1-3 dem seats, while losing 4-8 points in the (currently) safe seats. All the while they are losing population in their strongholds.

>>520646516
The red counties voted in support of prop 50. And the dems have had very good turnout, i highly doubt redistricting is going to hurt the dems, especially when the republicans didnt even come out. VA is going to have a dem supermajority and they are about to push redistricting as well. Texas stupid seat grab is about the set the republicans back a decade.

>>520646415
Trump didn't do shit ln jan 6th you faggot. FBI and capital police waved the people in, and you ate up all those crocodile tears from AOC and the jewish media.

>>520646415
get well soon

>>520646587
You are so far off the mark. You even cite the reason why, but you failed to realize it.

This is an off year election. Historically that mean low republican turnout. Do not expect that same low turnout when it come to national elections.

Seriously, you said "red" counties voted FOR prop 50, but also had low republican turnout. And somehow the alarms bells didn't sound for you...

>>520646763
>This is an off year election. Historically that mean low republican turnout. Do not expect that same low turnout when it come to national elections.
Incumbent advantage is a thing, and a major one. And i am not really talking about future elections, just the next one. These new districts are definitely not going to republicans for the next one.
>Seriously, you said "red" counties voted FOR prop 50, but also had low republican turnout.
My point was that those area's while republican are not a monolith, and dems in those areas will be propping up those new seats. Not to mention how many republicans are going to leave the state?

>>520639395
Politicians never cared about this. The only difference is that now in America (and the West at large), we are in a stage of collapse so obvious that they can openly go against the Constitution and/or create rules out of thin air and their base will go along with it since it spites the other side.

>>520639365
If you hate CA so much, you should start a local movement to cast California away from the United States...I will gladly vote for your proposal! (and will happily live in the 4th largest economy in the world afterward)

>>520648365
We already have a movement. It's called the state of Jefferson and northern California has been trying to separate for decades due to the lack of support for fire fighting, and over reach when it comes to water

Next time dont start a gerrymandering battle ya goofball miggers lol

>>520644942
The point of gerrymandering is to ensure that you have as many districts as possible that are ~2/3 Dem, and the districts that do go GOP are 80%+. It makes sense right leaning districts would have the most wonky shenanigans to be sponges for all of that demo they can catch.

>>520635637 (OP)
States kiking up their electoral maps in response to other states kiking up their electoral maps years away from an actual census? Nothing new here anon.

>>520637786
The northeastern blue states are hardly what you can call gerrymandered. Massachusetts being the prime example being the birthplace of the practice. Even though we have some 43% Republicans you can't draw a Republican district that makes any sense because they don't live all clustered together like you southern Jew cattle. Stop recycling piss poor talking points from your room temperature IQ house reps on Twitter.

>>520635637 (OP)
It is funny how this guy is being promoted as some presidential candidate and how the Hassanite crowd is cheering him on when in reality he is just another rabid zionist.

>>520645353
Hitler brought Germany out of depression by simply refusing to pay war reparations for the last time it got into a war of aggression kek. You internet Nazis are such hilariously unserious people. You never have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Internet echo chambers have fucking RUINED people like (You) kek

>>520649459
He mostly did it by finding a loophole in the exchange rate the bankers were using to suppress Germans. Ofc that's to say nothing about inspiring the masses to take pride in creating genuine, tangible wealth. Money is a meme.

>>520635637 (OP)
MY FUARKING 2028 & 2032 President!

>>520641803
Damn you're scared as shit this is actually happening, huh?

>>520639898
It's not unusual when it was found out it was arson by a democratic lunatic
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/arson-suspect-indicted-2-felony-counts-deadly-los-angeles-palisades-fi-rcna237937

Pubs here in Ohio ignored an amendment to the state constitution as well as a judges ruling and came out with gerrymandered maps again anyway. If we want to end the practice it will take a national agreement between states to all stop at the same time.

>>520650935
>If we want to end the practice it will take a national agreement between states to all stop at the same time.
Or just eliminate the electoral college.
Something republicans will never ever do, because their influence will atomize on the spot.

>>520643606
>You try staying awake for 10 days in a row
Well you're not dead, so this is rather unlikely.
Good luck fighting the demons making up your cognitive dissonance though!

>>520649114
>another rabid zionist.
Gavin has taken no money from Israel at best he's indifferent towards them he's 100% willing to discard Israel since he know they're unpopular. He's pragmatic like that.

>>520635637 (OP)
we got plans for cali... good people should leave now.

>>520637496
Thats why Trump won the electoral and popular vote with all swing states right?
>B-but that doesn't count!/They stole it!
Seethe

civil war looking real tasty right now. FULL ON PURGE of anything lefty or woke.

>>520637564
Ohio is doing it as well

>>520639599
>California stabbed all of its republican voters in the back by intentionally disregarding their vote
They've been doing that for decades, and their response is always either "that never happened" or "it's okay when we do it because we're the good guys" if you show them incontrovertible evidence.

>>520641094
I assume you are for getting rid of whatever voter identification requirements exist in Germany then, right?

>>520635885
Proof the "Right" is just a bunch of jews and Jewish golems

If Californians voted for it, it’s not your problem

>>520643735
>you're just going to say we stole the election if we play fair anyways, so might as well just steal it for real.
This, but for both sides. Hopefully we get to the bloody part while I'm still young.

>>520654957
Give me money for free then. What, you won't, but you expect other people to? The left is the party of parasites, the lumpenproletariat junkies AND the Charles Schwabs; you can't even claim to give a shit about workers anymore while you import scabs by the millions to drive down wages and drive up everything else.

>>520650935
>Right responds to left doing it
>Left screams you can't do that and does it back
It's not going to end. The civil war is dawning on us.

>>520635637 (OP)
Retarded republicans sucking isrealy cock backfired, didn't it....

>>520649034
>You see in Massachusetts we just draw the districts normally and no Republicans live in concentrated areas. But in Illinois we have to draw districts that make no sense.

>>520635637 (OP)
Because every red state already does this. Look at Ohio. Literally illegal maps but oops there's no enforcement mechanism if the maps are illegal so I guess we go with the illegal maps. California is just catching up to everywhere else and now that their own bullshit criminal acts are being done against them its time to pearl clutch.

>>520635637 (OP)
Drop nuke on LA and SF. All districts now red. Problem?

>>520655200
No usury for you, jew

>>520655803
Now it's going to be the state jewing you directly, retard. Remember (on the off chance you actually live in NYC), no moving out, or you're a traitor to your class and the glorious revolution.

>>520654703
No. And I've never said anything about ID.
In Germany, you're legally required to have an ID, by the way, and it's recommended that you carry it with you at all times.
Oh, and you don't have to "register" to vote, since that's considered a basic right of citizenship. Your state of residence will send you a reminder/invitation for each election you can vote in.
No idea why you guys make it so difficult. Almost as if you don't want people to vote.

>>520638701
you would be ostracized from your fag party if they found out you called anyone a "republinigger" (really clever, you queer lol)

>>520656537
>Oh, and you don't have to "register" to vote
And here it's like a two minute process, usually done in your last year of highschool, not some great burden. The opposition to IDs here has no actual honest argument behind it, it's solely because one party wants to let people who shouldn't vote, vote, because they know there's no real system to reliably catch or stop them. They already allow illegals to vote in many local elections, including in my former state. I'll let you guess how much safer the towns and cities that allow that are compared to 20 years ago.

>>520645074
>wikipedia says the democrats dindu nuffin!

Gee, you don't say!

Faggot.

>>520655563
why do migoids think economic, cultural, and population centers have no value and should be discarded? if you had the opportunity, you would trade california for some uninhabited island because there are no "libtards"

>>520637786

"It didn't happen, but they deserved it" smarter GOP diaper licker

>>520654069

>goes of on non sequitur
>tells others to seethe

Classic. No wonder republicans struggle in local elections

>>520657757
you lost a war to india in the 1900s. you're country is retarded. you are retarded

>>520644507
>it's a libtard doesn't have a rebuttal for an argument that decimated his made up bullshit episode
LOL somebody change the channel

>>520657347
>The opposition to IDs here has no actual honest argument behind it
As far as I understand, it's because there's no legal requirement to own any kind of ID, which means that some people just don't. The simplest solution, really, would be to just make it mandatory, and hand out IDs to everyone. Ideally, making them free for people who can't afford the few bucks it costs to produce such a document. Do that, and I expect that the opposition you see now will shut up about it.

>>520635637 (OP)
Republican states are the most gerrymandered states in the union.

I don’t care - Newsom should go even harder. Listening to you incel brainlets cope and seethe brings joy to my world.

>>520635637 (OP)
Caliwalifornian here, the shit river here just never stops. This place is so rigged top to bottom for the left, that they can OPENLY rig it even further. Nuke us, for your own good.

>>520637786
You know you can actually measure gerrymandering very accurately
You take the red/blue ratio of the districts, and see how far off it is from the red/blue ratio of the population
With this metric, texis is only of the most gerrymandered places of all time

ITT retards that dont understand american real politik is Rs get gerrymandering and Ds get to count illegals

>>520658890
go look at north east states. mass has 0 red districts

>>520659184
What percentage of mass population votes red? maybe 25%
How many districts in total do they get? 9
So it's like 2 districts off

Now you do texas

>>520656014
Sorry, I couldn't hear you over buying up land in your state.

>>520635769
FPBP as always

>>520658684
>which means that some people just don't
This is something that can happen in theory, but in practice never does. I have never in my life met someone without any form of ID. I wouldn't mind it being free on principle, and it probably is in some states or under certain circumstances, I don't know, but the miniscule cost isn't stopping anyone. Like probably a handful of people in the entire country of 340 million who legitimately cannot afford the fee for a driver's license or non-driver's ID.

>>520660062
Why would you flee your socialist paradise? I hope he goes full on Soviet and builds a wall to keep you class traitors and counterrevolutionaries from leaving.

>>520660448
>no don't come to my state and fix my turd-world power grid.
Lol, lmao. Roflmao even.

>>520641268
>Republicans won't do shit.
The California redistricting only balanced out what Texas already completed, faggot. And the voters rights act is going to be overturned by SCOTUS.

>>520646381
>That is dollars per acre, jackass, not profit.
No, it's farmland rent per acre. You can't pay that rent if your crops are not valuable enough to pay it.
>As a percentage of revenue, California's profit margins are the smallest in the nation for agriculture.
lol. You can say the same for most professions in highly wealthy, high cost of living states. Here's the thing - if your margin is half the percentage of someone in the flyovers but you are making three times the revenue, you are still way richer.

>>520657211
Good thing they won't find out. Trust me I would love to vote republican if they weren't completely braindead and led by a man who hates me

>>520635637 (OP)
>Why is no one talking about California planning to steal the next election?

Because they steal everything election. They have mail in ballots that can be read, due to convenient holes in envelopes.

They have the mail in ballots stolen all the time.

>>520643233
Im with you bro.
It wont be soon.
It wont be easy.
But cali WILL be reclaimed.

>>520663459
Notice the hole moves. It's not standard.
Registrar of Voters calls public attention to hole in ballot envelopes. Here’s what you need to know.
ROV Clint Curtis is warning the public of an “issue” in the production of ballot envelopes, a hole that could reveal ballot markings. The Secretary of State’s office confirmed that holes in ballot envelopes are a standard feature.

>>520635637 (OP)
>Side A gerrymanders
>Side B - You can’t do that! It’s undemocratic!
>Side B gerrymanders
>Side A - You can’t do that! It’s undemocratic!
It’s a neverending cycle of hypocritical bullshit.

Just write an algorithm that divides up districts automatically and knock it off with this horseshit.

>>520658684
Most US states already do this. Something like 45/50 states have free state photo ID programs for residents that meet certain requirements.

>>520660880
Wat
Do Jew Yorkers actually think people outside their shithole don't have electricity or something?

>>520663459
>>520663793
What the fuck

>>520635637 (OP)
>It's only ok when my team does it

>>520644801
Do you really not know the difference between a congressional district and county?

>>520638962
>Leaf
KYS non-voter

>>520635637 (OP)
>Done directly in response to Texas redistricting

Another lie to add to the MAGA/Trump pile. Kys op.

>>520635794
boomers can't fucking agree on fucking anything and will do nothing

>>520637861
You pissed away your rights to stick it to le nazis. Dumb liberals still falling for this shit. California voted to take redistricting from politicians and give it to an independent committee. Now you just voted to give it back. Bunch of fucking morons.

>>520639229
COPE
+5 seats and the Epstein Files

That is pretty good

More uber drivers and cashiers at mcdonalds competing for slave wages. Yes!

>>520635637 (OP)
Red states doing the same will more than even it out. DeSantis plans to do it. Midwestern and Southern states are moving as well. Combined with a mid decade census its over for liberals.

>>520635637 (OP)
>>520668195
>Red states doing the same will more than even it out. DeSantis plans to do it. Midwestern and Southern states are moving as well. Combined with a mid decade census its over for liberals.
this.

>>520638962
>nusome keeps letting it burn down

4th largest economy in the world bud.

>>520635637 (OP)
>Gerrymandering
Red states doing the same will more than even it out. DeSantis plans to do it. Midwestern and Southern states are moving as well. Combined with a mid decade census its over for liberals.

>"The Republican Party has zero representatives sent to the House. Think about that."
>"In New Mexico, 45% of the people voted for Trump and vote Republican, and zero is sent to the House, zero representatives from the Republican Party."

>>520668398
>Masks are good to lower the spread sickness and disease
>Therefore you must also believe masks are good for federal law enforcement that refuses to identify themselves and is constantly breaking the law

MAGA(retard) logic. Question, would you let a Dr perform surgy on you within out a mask?

>>520635637 (OP)
Let them steal it.
Let California collapse.
I would love to see those brownskins rise up & take over & seize the wealth of rich whiteskins like Newsom. Imagine him living in exile while some thug brownskin takes over Newsom's mansion.

>>520668726
And yet still so miserable full of drugged up tent cities sounds like your Ontario

>>520635637 (OP)
Repubs end up with +12 seats if every state able to redistricts. They took the bait

>>520635637 (OP)
Because Texas was planning on stealing the election at the direction of the president.

>>520668946
There’s no mechanism for a mid decade census.

Side note - guess who just demanded member lists of gun organizations. Hint…not dems.

>>520651064
actually democrats have historically benefitted more
though the GOP won't do it unless they feel like they will win, which means they'll only due so if the DEM is president, but then if a DEM is president they won't do it either as they'll be expected to lose

>>520669658
>The illusion of choice

>>520635769
FPWP