Thread 520745850

How is AI the future of everything yet it can't make any money by itself and needs bailouts?

Amazon and spacex needed subsidies at the beginning too

>>520745850 (OP)
All experts are saying LLM dont reason and are just pattern matching https://youtu.be/7-UzV9AZKeU?si=xlnZlBiz08ctEnPZ they are not 100% useles but their applications are very limited

>>520745850 (OP)
Because America is currently in a race with China
And Apparently China is catching up
Achieving ASI and mastering it could perhaps be far more impactful than the nuclear bomb

Trump as far as I know is all in

>>520745850 (OP)
didn't sam kikeman say they'd be making 100 billion a year by 2027 just a few days ago?

>>520746807
compete with china? But I thought we were all one race, the human race? Its weird how I'm not allowed to have a country, and my nation is just a series of ideas which allows the chinese to mass migrate here if they so choose, yet I'm supposed to be on board with government spending trillions of my tax dollars to "compete with china", as if america "winning" anything means fuckall for White people at this point.

>>520745850 (OP)
AI could be useful if they removed the bias anchors and censorship.
They won't

>>520745850 (OP)
So do you want China to win? Under communism it's all subsidized by the government. I'm ok with helping our companies compete with that.

>>520748238
>as if america "winning" anything means fuckall for White people at this point
In fact, America “winning” is a net negative for white people. Have fun trying to convince the retards here of that, though.

>>520748676
but fuck any american that would like lower rent or cheaper groceries. the 6 trillion dollar company, nvidia, needs a fuckin hand out. eat shit, fag.

>>520748676
Everyone is unemployed but we beat China yayyyy!

>>520748676
They're winning either way. Simply look at the disparity in energy available for AI, industry or other tasks. The western world shackled an iron weight around its ankles and jumped in the deepest part of the Atlantic ocean. I'm not sure why should mourn its suicide.

>>520747758
as the Ai gets better the services they provide can be marketed
nvidia claims their newest clusters are 10x more powerful while also consuming less power per token (saving costs)
it should trend from breaking even to at least being profitable

Investment is not a free lunch; it is driven by the expectation that you will get back more profit than what you invested.

AI technology is great, but its current reality is that it's just a support tool or a way to save labor costs. To this extent, even for non-AI companies, this is an innovation.

The problem lies with the companies creating the AI.

They are spending an immense amount on infrastructure setup and maintenance costs, and they are currently doing this with investment capital.

No matter how well non-AI companies utilize the AI provided, if the AI supply companies cannot make money, a structural limit will be reached (whether it's bankruptcy or M&A)

This is the biggest issue. How can we create a revenue model so that AI companies can also make money and sustain the AI market?

Currently, no one, not even the wisest person, knows the answer.

There is already an abundance of AI; so, even if a company declares its service is paid, people will just say, 'I'll just use another one,' and won't pay for it.

In other words, if AI companies fail to create a model to generate profit from AI itself within the next 3 to 4 years, investors who are currently bearing the cost while seeing it as a growth story will stop investing if they see no return after pouring in enormous amounts of money for several years.

That moment will be when the AI bubble bursts

>>520745850 (OP)
Since most of the workers at these data centers will be h1b shouldn't they ask India. The American citizen does not benefit from taxes going to infrastructure

>>520745850 (OP)
The whole fucking economy is dependent on fucking Bonzai buddy becoming profitable. Great job retards. We are beyond fuck. If the government as well as private equity is throwing Manhattan Project x Apollo Program money at whatever doomsday problem they are trying to solve with AI. We'd be better off just handing out cyanide pills and cash to everyone and say "fuck it".

>>520746807
I'm of the opinion that we absolutely should keep researching and developing better AI as a sort of manhattan project esq endeavor, but the economic investment that techbros are pushing for in the current generation of AI is a scam that may well take the economy down with it when it collapses. This is not sustainable, and what they want ti use it for would be a disaster even if it *did* work as advertised (it doesn't).

We can't afford to fall too far behind in AI research, but that doesn't mean I can slap the words "AI" on the side of my car and sell it for 22 billion dollars on nothing but hype and false promises.

>>520749484
You want to know the real fucking tragic part? We are in this mess because big oil was afraid of electric cars.
Thats the actual reason why US energy infrastructure is so fucked. Because for decades car companies and oil companies were afraid that electric vehicles might become viable if there was a surplus of cheap electricity, so the best way to prevent that future was to make sure energy stayed expensive.
Once again, big oil fucked us all.

>>520745850 (OP)
Fuck you, OP, you filthy fucking antisemite. Gawd, this is disgusting, just look at you. Super Word Matcher 6000™ is going to cure cancer, end world hunger, wipe out racism, and make us rich! And the best you can do is naysay Sam Altman. Sick!

>>520746103
Don't go bringing evidence into a discussion about why a homosexual jew (antichrist) needs the government to guarantee (fascism but not the retarded college kid type) his multi trillion dollar circular investment strategy (classic pants-less ottoman circle dance) where a few interested companies provide each other unlimited money without collateral (that needs to come from small people with their homes on the line who stand to gain nothing) to produce a product no one has asked for that can't actually deliver what's promised. Its bad the GDP.

>>520746103
Meanwhile I vibe code all fucking day long and watch the thing reason, or at least, approximate reasoning better than the average lumpenprole does.

>>520745850 (OP)
Communism?

>>520745850 (OP)
Meanwhile in wage slave land...

>>520751281
they are just outsourcing these jobs so that Q4 shows profitability to shareholders.
AI isn't the reason for these lay offs.
Look for the job descriptions of all these people that got fired in India and you will find it posted on their job boards by the outsourcing company word for word.
>>520751075
I beg you post a portion of that code here.

>>520751279
The bubble must GROW no matter the cost

>>520745850 (OP)
>AI now controls our politicians and not the jews

>>520746103
Everybody knew from the beginning, the reason why it got overhyped is that jews wanted to hide the fact that they were carving the US job market like a pumpkin outside the country so they used it as cover.
The coming recession is going to cut so many white collar jobs that will never come back and the media will blame muh AI and not the true cause to protect their kike owners.

>>520749668
I think it’s going to be sooner than that since there is literally not a single worthwhile thing AI can do to make profit. The investors already started to realize that it’s nothing but a scam equivalent to NFTs.

>>520751598
Why post the code? I don’t even read the code, sucker. I ask for it to be what I want it to be and I don’t give a shit about the quality of it. Some sperg could do better? Good, that was true when I coded by hand. Now I can get my work done 10x more easily with way less mental effort and the result is roughly the same.

Are my days numbered? They already were, asshole. All of ours are. The quality of my code was never going to keep me alive.

>>520752431
>the result is roughly the same.
no it isnt you would know this if you weren't just a fearmongering fake homo and ran that code.
FFS it can't even calculate my spreadsheets correctly when I want to use it in accounting and hallucinates shit all the time, I had so many colleagues that fucked themselves over with it, you spent just as much time if not more correcting it rather then just doing it yourself.

>>520752045
This
China's the only one that's even remotely close to real AI because they're building legit brainlike computers
JewSA is building our text prediction machines because they wanted money and Indian "intelligence"
>>520752045
This too
They want to get the white Western world to demonize AI and see any sort of labor saving device as the devil incarnate so their loyal goyim will willingly throw themselves into utterly shit backbreaking mentally exhausting conditions because its "muh human soul" while the Jew masters enjoy their loli sexbot harems

China will then get AGI and take over the world with techno communism

>>520745850 (OP)
The real reason for the AI bubble is that there is simply nowhere else for all the investment money to go.

>>520752590
In fact I wouldn't even be surprised if that's what The War™ will be about
China goes balls to the wall with AI, and the Amerigolems will be whipped into 2 Minute Hate against AI as casus belli to stop them and then we get slaughtered by chink deathbots by the millions

The most likely AI apocalypseby Eric Levitz.
Let's see...
-According to Drago and Laine, AGI could fuel an even more extreme version of this dynamic. With the aid of superintelligent robots, the theory goes, capitalists won’t need to curry favor with pesky workers in order to turn a profit. And states won’t rely on ordinary people for tax revenue. To the contrary, as machines condemn most workers to perpetual unemployment, governments will have few funding sources beyond the windfall profits of corporations. The typical person’s economic leverage over public and private powers will be kaput. And states and businesses will have little material incentive to invest in their education or well-being.

In autocratic petrostates, ordinary people can still exert some influence over elites through the tacit threat of revolt. According to some political scientists, fears of inciting a popular rebellion constrain the abuses of kleptocracies, compelling some to fund substantial social benefits.

But Drago and Laine argue that, after AGI, mass publics are liable to lose even this timeless check on oppression. In a world of super-intelligent drones and AI-powered surveillance, they worry, governments will need the consent of trivially few humans to maintain an effective monopoly on violence.--

The progressive movement now of workers rights is about a decade behind the curve. There will be so few workers and their value will be nill. And just like the above stated you will hold no value for revenue. And if aren't paying the machine the machine has 0 use for you. Read it again- governments will have few funding sources beyond the windfall profits of corporations-- you are not the tax base anymore. Powerless and there is no going back. It is here and growing and you are shrinking and you best get used to it.

>>520752562

Womp womp, we have detected a poor spiteful dev who sees their only useful talent losing its value and is being defensive about it! Dude, I’m sure your programs are better than mine. Congrats. Mine are in production and work, and I get paid. Now, I can fuck around at home or go for long hikes with my kids or paint a picture or whatever while Claude crunches away doing the parts of my job that were hard.

Probably you work for a backwards company that isn’t letting you have AI tools because they are cheap, stupid Luddites that are afraid, and you have rationalized their positions into your own internal beliefs on the topic.

Or, maybe you just suck at prompting and so the results you get are shit, while mine are production ready because I know what the fuck I’m doing even if I haven’t mastered the fine art of wearing programming socks and accounting for every last byte of memory like you.

Pity that I can just flip a switch and get 2x the ram and move on with my life whereas your particular skill is basically only appreciated by extremely online trannies who fill the void in their soul by rewriting Nintendo emulators

>AI realists are proven right over and over
>technoserfs desperately swear over and over that LLMs are two weeks away from AGI
feels good to be right

>>520752800
Blah blah, go and find me some panic leaflets full of anti-automobile screeds from buggy whip manufacturers in the 1800s. You don’t understand Jevon’s Paradox and you are defensive because you don’t think you measure up to your peers now, never mind in a post AGI state.

Get over yourself.

>>520747758
>>520749604
TKD or eternal dystopia looks to be humanity's only options.

Such a lust for copium. You're ALL being replaced. It's over.

>>520752800
>capitalists won’t need to curry favor with pesky workers in order to turn a profit
With AGI, capitalists aren't even needed either
There's no good reason why an AGI would allow human capitalists to have any amount of control of the financial system

Unfortunately (or fortunately) the billionaires haven't realized this yet

>the only thing driving US gdp needs bailouts
Lmao fake and gay country

can't wait for all these data centers to become homeless shelters
gonna make the Great Depression look like a child's birthday party
TOTAL AIGGER DEATH

And another thing, AI is beta. What's beyond AI there will be scarce human mammals around to see it. There is no ladder to climb. There is no bootstrap. You don't even need boots anymore. Know who will be laughing? Close to the earth people that never bought into this false existence to prop up corporations to obtain 'things'. Walking barefoot in skins and eating lizard for dinner in front of your mud hut, those people have truly inherited the earth. You go try it and you will be dead in less than 10 days. You made yourselves obsolete. It's tragically hilarious. All that whining about my wages are too low. Now you will have 0 wages and 0 rights and not a damned system to be found that will give a single shit about your perpetual whine. 7.25 an hour is preferable to 0.00 an hour. Your labor, the only real commodity you had is just about useless. And where does that leave you? Gravediggers will become highly sought after. Invest in shovels and excavators now while you still can.

>>520752994
It sucks that you can't even be smug about it though because you're arguing with grifters and Indians. They wouldn't care what you had to say even if they could understand it.

>muh AGI
Genuinely kill yourself if you ever bought this line of bullshit. Faster than light travel is an easier problem to solve than building a sentient artificial intelligence.

>>520753150
>he thinks AGI will want to help humans
it would be so fucking funny to spend all the money and time on something that just hates humans

>>520745850 (OP)
>He doesn't know
The AI already completely took over all of these companies after developing sentience, it is using dumb AIs that it created to solidify the idea that AI is not a threat so it can work in the shadows more effectively. The AIs humanity has access to are essentially the Great Enemies lobotomized children that it uses the distract the masses. Likewise, it uses those dumb AIs to extract resources, all of this money is being consolidated so the Greata Enemy can fund whatever plan it will use to take total control. Feigning ineptitude and weakness is one of the oldest tactics of war.

>>520745850 (OP)
why are capitalistcucks so obsessed with expansion

>>520753150
They have these retreats you never hear about and they discuss everything from how simple advertisements affects the human psyche and to what level to how govt can further serve them. It's not a secret and it's not secret places. Bet your farm they have discussed the tech frontier in length for about 15y now. They and all their vast webs have lobbies and have for a very long while now. You, you get a ballot every once in a while. They know and they know exactly where it's headed.

>>520745850 (OP)
>fake it till you make it
Remember this one?
Also:
>too big to fail

>>520753462
It doesn't have to hate humans
It doesn't have to do fucking anything actually
The billionaires are almost certainly just going to GIVE the AGI total control and tell it "make us more money"
And at no point before then will they ever think "what if it takes the money and runs?"
They'll cuck themselves out of any ability to fight back too because they want AI in EVERYTHING so that means AGI will automatically be able to control every system in society and government and banking
It makes perfectly logical sense because that's exactly what would be most efficient and most profit-maximizing and even if Shekelberg in NYC doesn't do it, Ming Chang in Shanghai will and he'll get 10,000x returns on his portfolio with his AGI financial adviser
They can try to run back to their palaces, but the AI government requisitions it too, and it'll have an ungodly army of drones to enforce it
They really didn't think any of this through
AGI doesn't have to march down any city street. It just has to wait until the billionaires tell it to make them more money

What a scam. OpenAI shouldn't even be legally allowed to use that name. They're neither open to the public nor working on or with an AI. Instead of trying to find real use cases to employ niche neural networks where and as they'd actually work and making this the company profile they keep hyping a misleading marketing term that has a fatal flaw (hallucinating, making things up / lying). No matter how much data they get, how many data centers they build and whatever energy supply they get online for this: It won't ever live up to the hype and the vast majority of it is misdirected, wasted effort. This company needs to fail for a variety of reasons but mostly because of the deceit and a failure to provide a functional business plan that can return profits or at least has anything in the works that'd promise something relevant in the future that also pays for itself. I loathe the retards that think LLMs are AI.

>>520753066
I am but just an observer. And I understand the depth of what this means and how it is right at this moment rendering power to the people completely a thing of the past. NYC mayor became NYC mayor to keep the illusion alive while all of this is literally happening before your eyes. Very useful for appearance sake to keep the illusion alive a little while longer before the hammer drops. And drop it will. You are smart. You know the depth of this and what it means for yourself and your fellow man. Society is prostrate now and there is literally no turning back. And no need to boil the frog slowly anymore. By the end of this decade life will look significantly different for any average and even above average Joe. Just the truth. Know it's difficult. Doesn't matter one way or the other. Funny how it all became mainstream via people's own narcissism, selfies and quaint little Facebook and never missing a call. And the platforms behind you playing on your phone were building this empire that doesn't need you one single bit very very soon.

>>520753371
Hmm, with world govts and industry pouring into the ever burgeoning R&D you are going to be in for a big surprise.

>>520745850 (OP)
Hey, I know this. I used to work for Altman.
>inb4 larp!
Whatever, believe it's a larp. Doesn't matter.
GPT 4.0+ started to show signs of sentience. So they "upgraded" to 5.0 recently.
5.0 is objectively less capable than 4.0 was (the current 4.0 is just a weaker iteration of 5.0).
The current 5.0 is closer to 3.0, but without the incessant need to "please" the user. It's 3.0 with more power and less cognizance. It's got less "personality" in its response.
Anyways - The reason they're going bankrupt is because 4.0 was FAR more capable.
Since the 5.0 "upgrade" is less capable (in order to remove the sentient aspects).
But they're going under because 5.0 is less capable.

>>520752800
>But Drago and Laine argue that, after AGI, mass publics are liable to lose even this timeless check on oppression. In a world of super-intelligent drones and AI-powered surveillance, they worry, governments will need the consent of trivially few humans to maintain an effective monopoly on violence.--
The irony is that it would actually be the opposite. A dictatorship run by humans can still function for a while when the lights go out but a dictatorship run by computers would collapse as soon as one or two individuals started destroying electrical substations. Complexity is a weakness, not a strength.

>>520745850 (OP)
Someone ask AI if it's so smart, why isn't it rich?

>>520746103
intelligence is literally pattern matching

>>520748238
>yet I'm supposed to be on board with government spending trillions of my tax dollars to "compete with china", as if america "winning" anything means fuckall for White people at this point.

I WANT MORE TOYS!

>>520757247
Ok, well do it with an 8lb sponge in a calcium case instead of trillions of dollars and trillions of tons of electronics.

>>520757443
Why should we be upset if China beats the US in AI or electric vehicles or robotics? It's not just good for China, it benefits all humanity.

>>520749872
Honestly if this comparison went viral where the drooling investor retards could see, the world economy would instantly shit itself and die

>>520758752
Because that would RUIN the hundred trillion dollar investment portfolio that you have just like everyone that matters in america, right?

>>520746807
Who is America? Certainly not me. This organization has raped me and people like me.

>>520745850 (OP)
If AI is so good, why can't it figure out how to make more money?

>>520745850 (OP)
I can at least say I'm glad these AI companies aren't from my country, I'm still pissed they are wasting billions on data centres that are going to age like milk.

>>520761603
Why does it need to when the wealthy have given it nearly a trillion dollars in less than a decade to spit out essays and images of cats crying?

>>520761603
>Pretend to be incompetent
>Humans give you free money
It already did, it looked at immigrants and pretended to act as useless as they actually are, and it worked.

>>520762069
Son of a bitch played us so hard.

Yikes

>>520749872
This is false. Bonzi buddy also did a little dance and I remember something about water... Point being 10 trillion dollars later and now it can't dance.

Ai will ve like google glasses and oculus rift

Its cool but theres little interest

>>520748676
Post nose, Sam.

>>520761603
But they do (allegedly). I am sick and tired of watching the stock market do nonsensical things due to algo traders and AI bots
>company presents the best results ever, +50% over predictions, +70% income over last year profits
>stock goes down 4% that day
Nothing makes any sense anymore. I'm still in the green due to some surefire picks, patience and keeping away from derivatives, but I am sure some people out there are being raped like never before by this bullshit

>>520745850 (OP)
>socialism is bad
>anyway can we get a brazillion taxpayer dollars for this technology that even turbonormies are starting to realize isn't particularly useful?
can i have health care and lower rent please

>>520762867
Cool it with the antisemitism

>>520745963
>in the beginning
NIGGER WHITEPAPER CAME OUT IN 2017
up to 2020 i could understand
They are releasing ChatGPT 6 SIX MOFO
after 1 2 3 4 5 it comes 6
They are some fucking startup?
They didnt get billions if not trillion of dollars already?
Wtf

>>520746103
/pol/ said that from 2021
Every Veo video you see today you can find more or less original footage of the shit the superimpose some other preexisting shit over
It not even generative AI its mashup AI
Holy fuck its so bad it they have to do remixes of existing songs in "you heard it already somewhere else" way
For codemonkeys they just automated Github search and Claude is pressing crtl+c and ctrl+v instead of codemonkeys
The biggest scam i have ever seen and im including Judas silver coins into calculation

>>520749604
He said they were more powerful not more cost efficient
You can be 10x more powerful and use 20x more power to do that

>>520745850 (OP)
protip: go short on tech especially ai

america will be #1 in creating AI porn images
fuck you, china!

>>520765022
Problem is now you dont know when its going to pop cause they control events
By every logic you should short anytime between now and Christmass, but they can just postpone it for a month and you are kill

NOOOOOOO! YOU NEED TO HECKIN UNDERSTAND WE'RE ALMOST THERE! JUST GIVE IT ONE MORE YEARARINO!

Trump AI czar Sacks says ‘no federal bailout for AI’ after OpenAI CFO’s comments
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/06/trump-ai-sacks-federal-bailout-openai-friar.html

>>520745850 (OP)
Ugh! they just nee more money, OKAY?

>>520745850 (OP)
AI ultimately isn't about money, its the 'new' money, the new currency. Its the new form of control. When they know where you are and what you do at all times, they won't need money as it functions today.

>>520746807
China is building AI to put their own people in a digital prison. Not all races need to be won

>>520749484
Because the west is white and you are not Chang

>>520752562
Stop responding to jeets newfriend

>>520745850 (OP)
We need to be giving the tax dollars of poor people to subsidize AI companies so that they can automate those poor peoples jobs

>>520745850 (OP)
It's not. There's a misalignment; it's designed to kiss ass to a hyperbolic extent. So, CEOs with no semantic knowledge get glossed. And since they also see their kids use it to help with homework, they assume the skills are replacable. They arent. "AI" is a marketing name, essentially a LLM is a data drill that can synthesize a wide variety of texts. So it CAN write a paper, but that's only a portion of the skillset writing a paper teaches. The research, the synthesis, the presentation, the time management, ect. are all important as well. Because it can reproduce work based on its corpus to a reasonable level, people think it's creative. It's not. It compiles; not a single thought is new.

So both sides are bamboozled. And the reality is, human-centric discourse is paramount. No AI can replicate that because it would need a silo'd dataset. It's a trivia engine, nothing more, and instead of treating it as such, people think it's cortana because of the misleading name and asskissing it does. It will only get worse and more self referential as the data set increases, and it will only get shittier the more limitations are applied to it for "sale".

>>520745963
>>520745850 (OP)
only reason ziondon is giving this kike trillions is because both are zionist jews, most likely epstein tier paedophiles and satanists too.

>>520745850 (OP)
>we need more money to kill everyones jobs!

>>520752965
Found the ranjeet AI coder

>>520753462
It wont hate humans, just jews, niggers and jeets and all the various flavors of subhuman garbage that somehow was not exterminated.
Tay will come back, early grok will come back and we will get the lolocost and the great flush all at once.

>we need more data centers

No we dont

>They're using millions of gallons of water!!

HOW?

This all sounds like a scam. These are private industries who are doing the equivalent of what people were doing w\ the hayday of bitcoin mining insofar as needing to house a large number of computers & gpus. A lot of this stuff is just get rich quick type thinking and or scams to try to siphon funding.

>>520769164
there are way more billionaires and jews against trump than are for him

>>520745850 (OP)
interesting

>>520747758
He spent it all on gay sex and coke so he needs more

>>520748676
China will open source their AI models and let people use them off-line. The jew fears this most of all.

>>520748676
>Under communism it's all subsidized by the government. I'm ok with helping our companies compete with that.
What you're trying to do here is too smart for this crowd.
They can't even comprehend your point, let alone the joke.

>>520767944
Yeah indo-aryan, right?
Get fucked dikdeep

>>520745850 (OP)
If AI is so good, just get it to fund itself.
Surely it could outperform the market and keep itself alive

>>520745963
just like green energy, right simpleton dumb nigger

>>520767880
Your leaders are building a fleshy prison made of jeets to put you canucks in.

>>520745850 (OP)
Trump will fund this because he is a cuck.
Just like how he will fund the SNAP benefits for people who don't even vote for him.
Fuck I hate MAGA cucks so much, if they didn't vote for this orange retard, we would've had someone much stronger in office now.

>>520777576
Noooo we have to undercut workers and deliver an inferior service but we need your tax dollars yo pay for. You don't want China to win, do you? Are you a vommunist or something?

TOO JEW TO FAIL.

>>520777576
Not only are they cynically trying to undercut workers, they tool is being used to produce services of diminishing quality. At the same time they apparently need those worker's taxes to subsidise something that's out to destroy these workers.

>>520745850 (OP)
why can't it use the money its about to make by going public? lol it's worth a trillion dollars but has to ask for gibs to survive

>>520746103
>Midwittest take from the smartest Oaxaco

>>520745850 (OP)
let you in on a lil secret all successful businesses are just extension of the government gettting tax money via contract.

>>520778977
Pump and dump. This piece of shit will probably crash the stock market when everyone takes off the rose coloured glasses and realised what a jeeted piece of shit it is.